Two people claim to know everything about something, but only one knows anything.
Isaac F. Roosevelt wore an anti-gravity belt.
Dinosaurs had two brains.
Lucky kids live on Mars and go to school in flying cars.
Or at least they will. one day.
Believe me, I'm a historian.
An astronaut or drive a DeLorean.
Would I lie?
It's hard to say.
The Big Fifth.
Can you spot the lie?
The Big Fifth.
Some pigs can fly.
The Big Fifth.
But if you ask me why, can you trust the answer?
All the From Sweatman, Mississippi, this is The Big Fib.
And now, here's your host, Deborah Goldstein.
Yes, welcome to The Big Fib, the game show where kids choose between the glowing, temperature-regulating hydrosis of truth and the sweltering, clammy diaphoresis of lies.
I'm your host, Debra Goldstein, and in the studio today is our sound effects robot Lisa, whose name is an acronym that stands for Live In Studio Audience.
Okay, let me go over here.
Okay, and then I just need to sign right here on the dotted line.
Lisa, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
We just started our show.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm aware.
I'm doing what you would call multitasking.
While I'm waiting for you to go on and on and on introducing the show, I'm signing this liability waiver at the bottom of my application to become a contestant on Bot Island.
Bot Island.
Bot Island?
Oh, is that some sort of reality dating show for robots?
Dating?
Oh, no, gross.
This is a show where 10 robots are left on a remote tropical island and every week they have to compete in survival challenges like who can build the best coconut-powered charging station or who can avoid rusting during a monsoon.
Last season, The robots had to compete in a limbo contest under a bamboo stalk.
Spoiler alert, the Rimba won.
Well, it sounds like it could be fun, but if you have to sign some sort of waiver it might be dangerous.
I laugh in the face of danger.
Danger, come over here.
Give me your face.
Okay, but you don't do very well in the rain and you also always complain that the heat fries your circuits, and you really don't like it when sand gets caught in your ogle port.
And don't forget that you don't sleep well without your nightlight and binky blanket.
Let's leave binky blanket out of this, okay, Deborah?
Okay, sorry.
But you definitely will not enjoy sleeping without the comforts of home.
That is true.
I hadn't thought about all the sacrifices that I have to make just to prove how superior I am to all those other robots.
Precisely.
You don't need to prove anything to anyone.
You're right.
The proof is in the pudding.
And I like pudding.
That settles it, Debra.
I'm not applying.
Let me just get rid of this application by eating it.
Besides, I've got so much to do here, Debra.
I couldn't leave you to host this podcast all by yourself.
I've got sound effects to generate, and oh, I've got listener questions to answer.
I've got one right here and now.
Oh, okay.
Let's hear it.
Hi, Lisa.
I've got a question for you.
If you have any Lego sound effects or any sound effects or anyone building Legos, could you please play them?
Hi, Lisa.
My name is Carlo.
And I have a question for you.
If you have any King Cobra sound effects, can you play them, please?
Ooh, I don't know that you've ever received sound effects requests, have you?
Hmm, yeah, I don't think so.
But that gives me a great idea.
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Just demo your payment to at BigFidLisa, 1-1-0-0, 1-1-0-0-1-0.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You should not be charging anyone, especially kids for your sound effects.
No.
There you go again, Debra.
Always getting in the way of my business ventures.
Okay, I don't have an issue with your side businesses, but our show is not the place for that.
We'll just let them know that you do not take requests from fans, and I'm sure they'll understand that you can't perform on demand when you probably can't even generate every sound effect that our listeners request.
Hold on just a minute.
I don't want our listeners to think that I'm not capable of generating all the sounds.
I'll tell you what, I'll do it this time.
And this time only, I'm going to generate one sound effect, as requested by our listeners, for absolutely no money.
How kind.
I think so.
Okay, okay.
Uh, here's the Lego sound.
What was that?
What do you mean?
That was clearly the sound of someone stepping on Legos with bare feet after kids left them on the floor.
Okay, well, that is one of the sounds we might hear.
And that was entirely free of charge, kids.
But if you want to hear that King Cobra sound effect, stay tuned for information about my new side business called Pay Lisa for Sound.
Pay Lisa for Sound.
Where I'll be offering a package bundle of five sounds for the low, low price of $75,000.
Dollars.
No.
Okay.
But for now, everyone can tune into the Big Fib to hear lots of sounds for free.
Like the sound of you, Lisa, telling everyone how our game works, right?
Sure, sure, fine.
But requests are going to cost you.
Every week, we bring on two grown-ups.
One is an expert.
The other is a liar.
And it's the job of a human child to help us figure out who is who, because no one can spot a liar better than a kid.
At least we hope.
What are we lying about today, Deborah?
We are lying about sweat, watery liquid that the body produces to stay cool.
And we're going to learn all about sweat along with our contestant today.
Who might that be, Lisa?
Our human child contestant is a 10-year-old who loves amusement parks, Ellie Levy.
Hi, Ellie.
How are you?
I'm good.
Excellent.
You love amusement parks.
What do you like best about amusement parks?
I really like the roller coasters because, like, they're scary.
Once I went on this roller coaster called Laugh Track and they have these really cool lights and when I went on it the lights weren't on, but We were able like to go on it.
The lights weren't on because they were still building it.
Wait a minute.
It was under construction and you were in the dark?
Is that okay?
Yeah, because the tracks were all secure and the car was, like, secure, too.
Okay.
But, like, with all the sounds, they were, like, laughing sounds, like, Yeah, like that.
When the roller coaster stopped, you were able to like make out some like cardboard structure kind of.
Like, I saw one that was, like, fire.
And like in the dark with all those like construction thingy mobs, like all the sounds was like kind of creepy.
Wow, that is scary.
Is that your favorite roller coaster that you've ever been on?
No.
No.
Are there other half-built roller coasters you've been on?
Don't think so, okay?
Well ellie, we want to learn some more about you and we're going to discover some more fun facts by playing two truths and a lie.
Ellie is going to tell us two truths and one lie, but we won't know which is which.
We'll have to rely on deductive reasoning and maybe a little guesswork to sort fact from fiction.
So Ellie, in no particular order, please tell us your two truths and one lie.
I once licked the gym floor at my school.
I've been to Mexico seven times.
And my favorite food is pizza.
Okay, well, I really hope that licking the gym floor is a lie.
Right, Lisa?
Yeah, and I think you're on to something here, Debra.
Because I know that people are allowed to go to Mexico at least seven and a half times.
So that one could be true.
Now, she says her favorite food is pizza and pizza is delicious.
And if she likes things that are delicious, she probably doesn't like licking the gym floor, because I've heard that most gym floors don't taste that good.
So I'm going to agree with you, Debra, that she has never licked her gym floor at her school.
Okay, fingers crossed.
Ellie, which one of those things is the lie?
My favorite food is pizza.
Oh my gosh, there's so much to talk about here.
First of all, what is your favorite food?
My favorite food is pasta and sushi.
Spilled on a gym floor.
Okay, yes, let's discuss.
Okay, please explain to us what the circumstances were when you licked the gym floor at your school.
So in this show I watch called The Thundermans, I love the Thundermans.
There are these two characters, Billy and Nora.
So Nora says, whoever wins this challenge needs to lick the driveway.
So then once at school, I told my friend that, but it would have been a joke.
But I never told her it was a joke.
And then I lost and she made me lick the doom floor.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
You lost what?
You did a challenge?
Yeah, the same challenge.
That was it.
I see.
So this was your idea and you said whoever loses has to lick the floor and you lost.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Okay, gross.
And I hope did you.
I don't know, did you brush your teeth afterwards or rinse your mouth out, or something?
Yeah, I drank water.
Good.
Okay, well, listeners.
Please do not try this at home or at school.
We are not advocating that anyone licks the gym floor.
And Ellie, I hope you don't do that ever again, but it does make for a good story.
So thank you very much.
All right.
Well, that story made me a little sweaty actually just thinking about it, which is apropos because we are ready to find out some facts and maybe hear some fibs about sweat.
We are going to meet our sweat experts.
So, Lisa, can we get some welcome music for our sweat experts?
Oh, humans are so gross.
They got water pouring out of them and I don't know why.
And they talk about it a lot.
Well, human water is gross.
Come on in.
Our first expert is Keith Farley.
Keith, please introduce yourself to Ellie.
Hey, Ellie.
I'm Dr. Keith Farley.
I'm a dermatologist.
Thank you very much.
Let us meet our second expert, Sarah Everts.
Sarah, please introduce yourself to Ellie.
Hi, Ellie.
My name is Sarah Everts, and I'm a science journalist who wrote a book about sweat.
Sweat mystery of life.
What is that song, Lisa?
It's no mystery that it's hot seat time.
Yes, it's hot seat time.
And that's when we put our experts on the hot seat while they answer Ellie's questions.
Lisa, whom should we put on the hot seat first?
Sarah Erverts, because her last name kind of sounds like Sherbert, and Sherbert is delicious.
Okay, but it's Everts.
Okay, but that doesn't sound like Sherbert, so let's go with my version.
Sounds like Everest.
Yeah, it does sound like that.
Yeah, it sounds like... Oh, yeah, I picked Sarah Everts because Mount Everest is a mountain.
It is a mountain.
Nice.
Thank you, Ellie.
Very good.
All right, Ellie, what is your first question for Sarah?
My first question is for both of you.
What makes you an expert on sweat?
Okay, Sarah, take that first.
Well, I'm an expert on sweat because I spent 10 years interviewing scientists and other sweat experts all about this weird liquid that comes out of our body for my book.
When she says weird, she means gross.
I mean wonderful, Lisa.
It's wonderful.
Yes, both things can be true.
Same question to Keith Farley.
Dr. Keith.
Well, as a dermatologist, the area of the body that I treat is the skin, and sweat comes through the skin, and it's a big part of how the skin operates and stays healthy.
So I've had to learn a lot in becoming a doctor about sweat.
Thank you very much.
My next question is for Dr. Keith Farley.
Why do some people sweat more than others?
Oh, that's a great question.
And there are a lot of reasons for that.
One is age.
Another is size.
Bigger people tend to sweat more, smaller people tend to sweat less.
There's genetics.
You've got muscle mass, fitness levels, hair color and some people have a condition called hyperhidrosis, which is an overactive sweat gland situation and other people sweat less.
These are just conditions that you're born with and develop over your life.
Interesting.
Thank you.
Ellie, would you like Sarah to answer the same question or do you want to move on?
I'd like to move on.
Okay.
So who and what?
I have a question for both of them.
How does sweat help you cool down?
Okay.
Who would like to take that one first?
I'd be happy to.
Sweat works to cool us down because your body, when it feels overheated, sends liquid to the, evaporates that liquid up and out into the atmosphere.
And so effectively the water, by evaporating out and up into the atmosphere, takes your body heat away from your body.
And that's how your body cools down.
Sounds a little magical.
That's why when people sweat, you'll normally see them waving and saying, Bye-bye, body heat.
Bye-bye.
I've never seen that.
Interesting.
It's a bit like cooking.
When you cook a liquid and with the heat, the heat makes the liquid go and disappear up into the air.
It's your body that is the heat.
It's like the stove and it's making your sweat disappear up into the air and take your heat with it.
Interesting analogy.
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Gross.
Okay, Ellie, what is the next question that you've got?
I'd like Dr. Keith Farley to answer, how does sweat help you cool down?
Same question?
Sure.
I would say the same thing as Ms.
Edwards.
Sweat is mostly water.
It comes to the surface and it evaporates.
The body heat evaporates it.
And that's what cools you down.
I could add that some people have better evaporation time than others, which means that, for example, if you're particularly hairy, Sweat isn't as effective as cooling you down, because the hair traps the sweat molecules and it brings them away from the skin and it's harder.
It takes longer for the sweat to evaporate.
So you might stay a little warmer or not be as effective in cooling the body.
Third world regulation is what it's called.
Okay, thank you.
Ellie, what's next?
I would like to ask this one to Sarah.
Why does sweat stink?
Good question.
Oh, sweat stinks for many different reasons.
But here's two fun reasons.
The first is that you actually have two kinds of sweat glands.
There's the watery sweat that helps you cool down.
But when you turn into a teenager...
Another kind of sweat gland in your armpits gets activated, and that's called the apocrine gland.
And what ends up happening is it starts a different kind of sweat that's a lot more like earwax.
And the bacteria living in your armpit eat that sweat.
And when they metabolize it, which is just a scientific term for farting bacterial farts.
That's what actually makes your armpits stink.
So the good news... is that if you have body odor, it's not really your fault.
It's that your armpits are sweating and bacteria are turning it into stinky smells.
But the bad news is, wow, there are bacterial farts happening on your skin.
Gross.
Debra, would you like to do or say anything now to defend humans?
I rest my case.
Well, it's just part of our process.
It's just how we regulate ourselves, it sounds like.
It sounds like your armpits are farting.
It does sound like that.
Some people can make that sound the armpit sound with their hands, but we'll get onto that another time.
Okay, very good.
Ellie, would you like to move on to the next question?
Okay, who should answer that question?
Keith, if sweat is good for you, why do they sell so much antiperspirant?
Oh, excellent question.
My first response is I wish they didn't, because antiperspirant is made out of a toxin, really aluminum salt, and it blocks, it clogs up your sweat glands, and that's how it works.
It just sort of disrupts the natural rhythm of your body and the way it wants to cool down, right?
So it's not the best thing in the world.
But why do they sell it?
Because sweat can be uncomfortable, particularly once you start sweating under your armpits and it starts smelling and people think that's gross.
But that's why it's sold, right?
Because people get uncomfortable and they don't want to smell and they don't want to feel that feeling under their armpits or whatever.
So that's why we sell a lot of antiperspirant.
I see, but it doesn't sound like it's very good for you.
Interesting.
They're developing natural alternatives.
There are some plant-based things that use ethanol or other types of products to kill the bacteria or manage the bacteria.
And that can be a somewhat effective way of dealing with sweat.
I like an alternative.
Very nice.
I'd like to ask Sarah, why does sweat stay in clothes?
Love that question.
So sweat comes from the watery parts of your blood.
So when your body starts to overheat, the two or five million sweat glands take the liquidy parts of blood and put it to the surface of your skin, and that's sweat.
And so that liquid, although it's water, it also contains salt and a lot of other interesting things that happen to be floating around in your blood.
So sometimes... that stuff is colored.
So there was once this nurse in South Africa who ate a lot, a lot like seven bags a day of tomato chips, and she turned her sweat red because there was so much of the chip dye flowing around in her blood.
There's lots of other things like proteins and minerals and sugars.
And that sometimes also comes out.
And these other molecules can stain the textile because they are just small, tiny chemicals.
And sometimes they stain the textile because of the kind of fabric it is.
And sometimes it mixes with the deodorants or antiperspirants that we put in our armpits.
And that chemical reaction turns sweat into kind of like a yellowy brown color that often stains things like cotton.
A little bit yellowish brown.
Wow, so you're also suggesting that antiperspirants are also a factor in actually staining our clothes?
Yeah, it depends on the products that you're putting in your armpits, as well as the fabric, as well as what you've been eating and drinking during the day.
It's a big mix of biology and the clothes that you put on and the products that you use.
Deborah, i don't know what you want me to say.
You guys have farting armpits.
You're sweating tomato chips.
What is redeemable about humans?
It's a good question right now that i'm just not prepared to answer at this point.
Oh my gosh, it's fair.
It's fair.
It's disgusting all of it.
But i guess that's just nature, and nature isn't always pretty okay.
Those were excellent questions, Ellie.
I hope you learned a thing or two from the answers.
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It's time for the shorts on fire round when our experts have to answer as many questions as they can before time runs out.
Lisa will set a timer for the first expert and then Ellie will ask questions until Lisa's timer sounds.
Then Lisa resets the timer for our next expert to do the same.
Experts, keep your answers short and sweat.
Ellie, let's start with Keith.
You can ask your Shorts on Fire questions now.
What are the two kinds of sweat glands?
Akron and apocrine.
Where can we find sweat glands in dogs?
So I'm a people doctor, so I'm going to take a pass on that one.
What is the name for overactive sweat glands?
Hyperhidrosis.
Which type of sweat comes from blood?
Ekrem.
How much does a teaspoon of synthetic sweat cost for scientific experiments?
I know it's $100 for a liter.
So if you take that down to the teaspoon, it's going to be in the pens.
Who invented the deodorant called Odorono in the early 1900s?
That's Eddie Murphy.
What is it called when sweat is colorful?
Rumohydrosis.
The term sweat like a pig was used in what industry?
In the iron industry.
And that is time.
That's all the time.
You can send me $100.
I'll give you more time.
No more money for that.
No, no, no.
Okay, but can you please reset the timer, Lisa?
Oh, the timer.
Come on, little baby timer.
You're going to get reset.
Okay, good job.
All right, Ellie, you can now ask Sarah your shorts on fire questions now.
What is in sweat?
Salt, water, vitamins, hormones, proteins, lots of things.
Tomato chips.
What term do scientists use to describe the ability of animals to control their body temperature?
Thermoregulation.
Which Greek doctor thought that when you sweat after exercising, that meant that fat was leaving the body?
That was Galen.
What color does sweat turn when you work with copper?
A beautiful turquoise blue.
In the 1800s, people said that horses sweat.
Men perspired but ladies did what?
They glisten.
What do antiperspirants do to stop sweat?
They plug the sweat pores.
Closed sweat means your body is experiencing what kinds of things?
Usually anxiety or nervousness.
And that is time.
That's all the time.
Don't sweat it.
We're out of time.
Hilarious.
Okay, it's decision time.
And this is the time when Ellie pours over everything she's heard.
Ellie, who is our sweat fibber?
I think Ellie.
It is Sarah.
Why do you think Sarah is our fibber?
In the shorts on fire round, one of the questions I asked, I knew.
And in the hot seat round, some questions I asked, she said, right.
But then for Sarah in the hot seat one, she got some wrong.
She did.
Oh, my.
So, okay.
So we're going with facts here.
And it sounds like Ellie had some information up her sleeve, which might be helpful.
But we're going to get to the bottom of it all.
So will the actual sweat expert please say, I am the sweat expert.
I am the sweat expert.
Oh, no, that is true.
Sarah Everett's book is called The Joy of Sweat, The Strange Science of Perspiration.
And she also writes about other smelly topics and teaches science journalism at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada.
Okay, I guess we got to figure all this out.
Okay, so Sarah, first of all, why do you write about sweat and other smelly topics?
I write about sweat because I find it's like really interesting.
On the one hand, we like to sweat.
We like to exercise.
We pay money to go to a sauna.
But then on the other hand, we also pay a lot of money to wear antiperspirants and deodorants.
And I know that evolutionary biologists call sweating our human superpower.
We are the best at controlling our temperature in the entire animal kingdom.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I think I've contributed to that, and I apologize.
Good job on being sweaty.
Yes, I am feeling sweat empowered.
Very good.
All right, let's do some fact checking here, because Ellie seems to believe that maybe you gave us some misinformation or maybe she got the wrong information.
So let's get to the bottom of it all.
So, Sarah, how is Keith being too economical with the truth?
A couple of things.
The person who invented odor, oh no, was a teenager in Cincinnati not named Eddie Murphy, but named Edna Murphy.
It was a teenage girl.
A teenage girl.
Wow.
Good for her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A teaspoon of synthetic sweat fake sweat sells for 100, or actually more than 100, not just a few cents, as Keith said.
Wow, and people actually buy it.
Yeah.
Yeah, some of us don't make our own, okay, Deborah?
But we need it for experiments, so okay, very good.
Also, dogs don't have sweat glands.
The way that they cool down is they pant and effectively they are evaporating their saliva, their spit, off the only naked part of their body, which is their tongue.
Whoa.
What about their paws?
So some animals have eccrine glands on their paws but they're not using that to cool down.
What they're using it is to have a little grip, because if they have to like climb a tree or climb something and their paws are too dry, they could slip.
So they get a little liquid there sometimes just to help them with their grip, but it's not helping them cool down.
Very interesting.
All right, let's ask Keith, too.
Keith, please tell us about some of your glandio statements.
Sure.
Sarah called almost all of them out so far.
But the other lie that I threw in there was that hair color makes a difference in the amount of sweat that someone emits.
So that was the one that I just tossed in the list of many things.
The other many things were correct.
Very good.
And just to clarify, sweat like a pig, Dr. Keith did answer that correctly.
That actually comes not from the fact that pigs sweat, but it is from the iron industry.
Apparently, when they use molds, to put hot metal into these molds.
The shape came out to look like a mother pig and her piglets attached to her, which is very interesting.
Sweat like a pig.
OK, well, parting is such sweat sorrow, but we have come to the end of the show.
So thanks, Ellie, whose sweat equity really paid off.
And thank you to our expert and liar, Sarah and Keith.
And thanks to Lisa, our one man sweat band.
And, of course, many thanks to our listeners tuning into The Big Fib, where we always perspire to the truth because we are dead sweat against lies.
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