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[Navigating Economic Storms: Austan Goolsbee on Tariffs, Stagflation, and the 'Freakout Channel']-[What keeps a Fed president up at night]

The Indicator from Planet Money · B1 · 2025-04-10

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Navigating Economic Storms: Insights from the Chicago Fed

In a recent episode of The Indicator from Planet Money, Austan Goolsbee, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, discusses the current state of the U.S. economy, addressing the anxieties surrounding potential trade wars and their impact on monetary policy. Drawing on the Chicago Fed’s motto—"there’s no bad weather, only bad clothing"—Goolsbee emphasizes the Fed's commitment to its dual mandate of price stability and maximum employment, regardless of the unpredictable "economic weather conditions."

The Threat of the "Stagflationary Impulse"

Goolsbee addresses the growing concerns regarding a potential return to stagflation. While he clarifies that we are far from the 1970s, where inflation reached double digits and unemployment surged, he describes the current situation as a "stagflationary impulse." This term refers to the directional risk where large-scale tariffs could simultaneously drive up costs and stifle economic growth. He warns that while current data—unemployment slightly above 4% and inflation in the low twos—is stable, the risk lies in the potential for supply chain disruptions to mirror the chaos of 2020.

Supply Chain Spillovers and Uncertainty

Reflecting on the "transitory vs. transitory" debate of the COVID era, Goolsbee highlights two key lessons: supply chain shocks are often more durable than theoretical models predict, and they possess a contagious nature. When a specific industry cannot secure components, such as computer chips, the resulting price hikes spill over into other sectors, including used cars and rental services.

Currently, businesses in the manufacturing-intensive Chicago region are struggling with "uncertainty induced paralysis." Executives are finding it difficult to invest or plan for the next six months because the rules of the trade landscape remain ambiguous. Goolsbee notes that this uncertainty is a significant challenge for central bankers, as it complicates the effort to maintain economic equilibrium.

The "Freakout Channel" and Behavioral Shifts

One of the most compelling concepts introduced by Goolsbee is the "freakout channel." This refers to the risk that anxiety over potential tariffs will lead individuals and businesses to change their behavior, such as front-running purchases or stockpiling components. While such actions might be "rooted in completely rational behavior" at the individual level, they can manifest in aggregate data and exacerbate economic instability.

Goolsbee admits that the fear of returning to the "Twin Towers of Awful"—the supply disruptions of 2020 and the inflationary dissatisfaction of 2021-2022—is a primary driver of public sentiment. He emphasizes that the Fed must remain vigilant; if market-based measures of long-run inflation expectations begin to rise, the Federal Reserve would be compelled to act.

Conclusion: A Position of Strength

Despite the "storm clouds on the economic horizon," Goolsbee maintains a measured outlook. He reminds listeners that the U.S. economy currently operates from a "position of strength," with historically low unemployment and inflation having been brought down from unacceptable levels closer to the 2% target. The Fed remains focused on the "hard data" rather than mere speculation. As for the practical advice for those worried about the economy—like the host planning a kitchen remodel—Goolsbee suggests focusing on the immediate, tangible decisions, such as ensuring appliances fit the space, rather than trying to time the market amidst geopolitical uncertainty.

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the weather can be all over the place.
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Am I right?
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I don't think that was wrong.
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I took good notes.
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Everybody lived through that.
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📝Key Phrases

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all over the place
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long-lasting impact
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drawn-out
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spill over
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uncertainty-induced paralysis
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📖 Transcript

NPR. This is the indicator from Planet Money.
I'm Weilin Wang. As some of you might know, I'm based in Chicago.
It is a city where the weather can be all over the place.
It briefly snowed this week, even though it's April.
Weather outside is less than delightful, but not horrible.
There's no bad weather, there's only bad clothing.

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