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Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio.
Hey and welcome to the podcast.
I'm Josh and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff You Should Know!
No! That's what you should know!
Is that your auto-tune?
I told you to turn that off.
It's stuck on on. It's stuck on awesome.
Yeah, and this wasn't even intentional, but here we are doing another biography of another gay icon.
Well, she's not gay, she's an icon of a gay community, Chuck.
Well, that's what I meant.
I know. Yeah. I'm just being contrarian already.
Yeah, I know. I'm really feeling it.
I'm full of pee and vinegar today.
Oh, we say pee and pee at our house for our dog Gibson.
He's full of pee and pee all the time.
That's awesome. How's he doing?
He's good. He's a lot to handle, but he's been an awesome sweet boy.
He's got to be pretty big by now.
He's paused for a huge as a puppy.
He's pretty large. I mean, he's a full grown doggy.
Like Clifford Large. No, no, no.
He's the oversized. But he's a big boy.
Well, shout out to Gibson and shout out to Shere, who we're doing an entire episode on right now, as you said.
Do you mean Sheryl and Sarcissian?
Yes. I do. I do. And when I saw that, I was like, I knew she was Armenian.
I never thought about it up until this moment, but I just knew she was Armenian in heritage.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think one thing Sher sort of played with over the years was some kind of ambiguous ethnicity.
That's one way you could put it, sure.
But yeah, she's her father, John Paulster Kizian, is Armenian.
He was a horsebreeder and a truck driver who had addiction troubles.
So he got divorced from her mother before Shere was a year old, which would have been 1947, because Shere was born in El Centro, California in 1946.
That's right. Oh, you're setting me up.
I read Chuck that her mother, Georgia and her father, John Paul, got married two more times.
So they were married a total of three times.
Yeah. And I think her mother, Georgia Holt, who was an actress, she was married like eight times.
Eight times from what I saw.
Yeah. I think Georgia's mom had her when she was 13 or something like that.
And so they had a very, Sher had a very interesting upbringing.
And I had never seen it compared to mermaids, but it really strikes me from some of the interviews and articles I've read about her.
That her upbringing was a lot like when owner writers upbringing in mermaids.
Which is a movie Sher was in in case you're wondering what that was even brought up.
But man, that movie is so good.
I saw it for the first time just like last year.
And it is a really good movie.
Yeah. You know, Sher is one of my favorite actors.
When I look through her filmography, it's just like it's a murderous row of great parts and great films.
Yeah. For sure. And we'll talk about those.
Apparently as it turns out, she wanted to be a performer from a very young age.
I saw something like four.
She saw a dumbbell and was like, I'm going to be a performer like dumbbell.
Yeah. And she actually kind of put her money where her mouth is.
At age 11, I love precocious kids stories like this.
She put on a production of Oklahoma and apparently could only get other girls to be in the show with her.
So she just went ahead and played all the male parts herself.
I know. That's a great story.
And just a few years after that, Warren Beatty would be sleeping with her.
Yeah. Like just a few years when she was like 16 and he was 25, right?
Yeah. What is it with powerful men and that?
I mean, Warren Beatty had a long history of dating teenagers.
Back when, you know, back when I'm not going to say it was super cool to do that.
But back when you could do that and get away with it without being, you know, without having to kill or something.
The guy who knows about it while he's in prison.
Exactly. They very famously, she was driving in Hollywood when she was 16.
He almost hit her with the car and she got out and was like, are you crazy?
And she was like, oh my god, you're Warren Beatty.
And he was like, why don't you come back to my place and have dinner?
And that's what happened.
She came home at two in the morning.
Her parents were not thrilled.
But apparently Warren is very charming and called up Georgia Hold, called up her mom and made his case and she was like, okay, date my 16 year old.
I know. That was back then when you could just pick up the phone and be like, come on.
Right. Exactly. So, share dropped out of high school.
Not a lot of great performing opportunities while you're in high school.
So she dropped out and she tried to make it in the show, in showbiz.
Initially, she wanted to be an actor.
But she met another guy who would have a much bigger impact on her life than even Warren Beatty.
A guy named Salvatore Bono, better known as Sonny Bono.
He was 12 years older than her rather than just the traditional nine that Warren Beatty had established.
The traditional nine. And she was 16, 17, something like that when they met in Los Angeles.
And both of them swear that their relationship was platonic at first, that she had moved into a group home with some other women.
And apparently that housing opportunity fell through or ran out and she met Sonny Bono.
He's like, why don't you move in with me and clean my house.
And that's supposedly how it was at first.
And then of course, it did not last very long.
And they got married within two years, I think, although it wasn't legal for another seven, for seven years.
Five years. Five is just as good as the minus seven.
Yes, she was 18 when they got sort of fake married in 1964.
They did have a ceremony, but it wasn't a legal wedding.
And it became legal, like you said, in 1969.
And Sonny was working for music in Pursario Phil Spectre at the time who was like, hey, this kid you got has got an outstanding voice.
I also love shares voice, by the way.
And she started singing backup for Phil Spectre on like some really big songs.
Like you've lost that love and feeling by the righteous brothers and be my baby by the runettes.
Yeah. So in two years, she's met Warren Baty and dated him.
Met Sonny Bono moved him with him and is singing backup on Phil Spectre songs by age 17.
Like stuff to start at happening for really quickly.
And from that point on, things started happening happening very quickly because Sonny Bono was making things happen.
Like you said, he was working for Phil Spectre.
And so he was, I guess he and Phil were both like this, she needs like her own career.
Apparently there's an anecdote where when she was singing backup on some of those songs, Phil Spectre kept telling her to like backup further and further away from the mic because she was overpowering the other backup singers.
So it was very clear that she needed her own, to go out on her own, although apparently Phil Spectre opposed it at first.
Sonny Bono was like, no, we're going to take this girl to really great places.
And we're going to do it by giving her the pseudonym Bonnie Joe Mason.
Yeah, that's right. Her first single was released.
It was called Ringo. I love you as Bonnie Joe Mason, not a great song.
And you know, Sherra has that, Sherra has that low, I guess is it an alto?
Yeah, it sounds like this.
If I could turn back to. I meant to look up what her voice technically is, but it's maybe Baratone, I don't know, but it's that low, she's got this great, fantastic, powerful low voice.
And apparently there were some radio stations that thought it was a man singing and it was a love song during Ostar.
So they refused to play it in some markets, but she was like, you know, it's not a very good song.
Not a big deal, but very shortly thereafter in 1964, would sign with Imperial Records, which is part an imprint of Liberty Records and had her first really big hit in 65 with a cover of Bob Dylan's amazing song, all I really want to do is rollerskate in parentheses.
She did a great version too.
It's I love the production style and the recording quality of those of like the mid 60s and earlier, it's really good.
Yeah, for sure. So she hit like number 15 on the Billboard charts with that single, that cover of Dylan.
That's pretty, I mean seriously, think about this.
She just is like, I'm going to go make it on my own and then it just happened.
I'm really impressed by how condensed like her first series of like big exposures were, you know.
And so in addition to her performing, her carrying out, I guess, her solo career, she also was performing with Sunny too, as they would become very famous together performing.
But at first, they they went under the name Caesar and Cleo apparently is an homage to Sunny's haircut at the time, which she said was somewhere between Caesars and Napoleon's hair.
I don't know what Napoleon's hair looks like.
He had like that big old hat he liked to wear.
Yeah, but Cleo was a nod to her ambiguous ethnic looks.
People said like you look like a more glamorous Cleopatra.
So that's what they went with and they scuttled that pretty quick.
Yeah, I mean, she kind of played that up too.
She had, that's what she was wearing the dark mascara was sort of the, the cat tails coming off the side and just super, super cool looking like very tan and she had that beautiful long black hair.
Like I've been watching a lot of share stuff and Sunny and Cher from that era today and I got a big old man crush on her all over again that reminded me of when I had one on her when I was six years old.
That's cute from watching the Sunny and Cher show and all that.
Yeah, so, you know, they had some songs together that were not popular like you talked about, but in 65, they rebranded as themselves as Sunny and Cher with that huge, huge number one single I got you, babe, that the Rolling Stones who were always champions of them, yeah said, I take it over to England, the love you've had there.
Yeah, apparently in America, they weren't getting much love.
Cher says that they were basically hippies before the word hippie was even around and they dressed like hippies, they acted like hippies in America wasn't ready for hippies yet, but England was like, hey, we're swinging over here.
So come on over here. And yeah, that's just so bizarre that the Rolling Stones were the ones who like helped get Sunny and Cher their big break because just do not.
That's like Led Zeppelin helping out Donnie and Marie in my mind.
It's very similar to that.
Oh boy, how would argue Sunny and Cher were two percent cooler?
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, but it's certainly in the same ballpark.
No, no, totally. That's funny.
That single I got you, babe, which is the song they're most known for is a duo.
Still, I think sold more than three million copies.
Mm-hmm. Was number one for three weeks.
And the album was number two for eight weeks and probably would have hit number one had it not been for the fact that the Beatles help was released at the same time and held down that number one spot.
Right. Yeah, if you're going to be number two to anybody, that's a pretty pretty good album to be number two to at the time.
Yeah, for sure, but they had 10 top 40 singles and five of those were top 10s.
Not not too shabby. No, not at all.
The other thing that they were very much known for was banter, comic banter in between.
Apparently, Sunny was the the comedic writer between the two, but Cher said in her eulogy of Sunny Bono when he died of from a skiing accident in 1998 that he like people just kind of saw Sunny Bono, especially during their early careers, like the the butt of the jokes.
He's like the the dipwad, I guess, is a technical way to put it.
But that he knew that that's that's what made the most sense with their their their their duo.
It made sense for her to be the sharper, more sardonic, smarter one and him to be the butt of the jokes.
But she's like the big joke was he was the one writing the joke.
So he kind of had the last laugh in that sense.
Did you watch any of the the actual variety show banter today or yesterday?
You know, weirdly, I just read a synopsis, a very detailed synopsis of one of their episodes on share scholar.com.
Yeah, it's I encourage you to check it out and anyone out there who's like, what was their chemistry like because it is it's really good stuff.
I mean, I watched the second iteration of their show that was out later on, which we'll get to in a sec.
But they're just so funny together and you could tell they're having a good time.
And while it is scripted, it comes across as very natural and it feels like there and they may have been improvving some of it.
But it was just they just had fantastic chemistry and he would she would make short jokes because he was five five and she was she seemed giant compared to him, but she was only five seven.
But I think they they put her in heels and stuff like that.
And he would make jokes about her prominent nose and but she usually got the best of him.
But they were just it was a very cute pairing together.
Yeah, you know, kind of a cute historic comedy pairing.
Yeah, all you had to do is put them on TV and let them do their thing and people would fall in love with them.
That's what happened. They were guest stars on Carole Burnett back in 1967.
They guest hosted some Merv Griffin show episodes and just from that they introduced themselves to America, their TV chops, I guess.
And the head of CBS programming Fred Silverman who would go on to executive producer diagnosis murder.
He gave them their first show in August of 1971.
It was a summer replacement and I feel like such a slack researcher that didn't go see what that replaced.
Oh, yeah, I didn't either.
But then when December came around and it was time for like, okay, what's the real deal shows?
It got its own slot and it became like a really big hit.
They were pulling in like 30 million viewers a week.
I mean, this is I don't think there were 30 million people in America at the time.
Yeah, it was kind of the early heyday of the variety show, which if you're of a certain age, you remember, but if you're not, you know, variety shows were these comedy half hours, usually an hour where they would they would come out and they would do like an opening monologue and joke around or probably open with a song which would lead into the monologue.
And then it was, you know, it was sketches.
It was music. They would have musical and comedy guests.
It was called the Sunny and Chair Comedy Hour and it was just there were a lot of these great shows back then and I pined for those to come back.
And I think they could if they did it right.
Really? Yeah, I think if you had the right, the right people and especially like a couple like this is kind of a fun way to do it.
I think it could work. I mean, they have some that are like scurding the genre for sure.
Yeah, they're terrible.
Like America's got talent and the voice and all that stuff.
That's not the same thing.
It's not strictly, but some of those are like there's so many different acts or different types of acts that it's close.
It's just like the people who host the show like having like a larger main role in it.
You know what I mean? Like I get that.
Like take away the competition aspect.
Get a couple of cutie pies like us to host it.
Sure. I mean, I guess my point is be careful what you wish for.
Right. No, you're right.
Because what are the chances they would do it right?
Right. Probably not good.
So Sunny Bono is very very much tied to share and vice versa.
And most people's mind and a lot of people's mind, especially older people.
But there's another collaborator that a guy who wrote for the New Yorker, his name's Michael Shulman, he said that Bob Mackie, the very very famous fashion designer, was probably arguably surpassing Bono as her defining collaborator.
Because one thing people know about share is that she will wear any over the top outfit that Bob Mackie would make for her.
And apparently they were very close collaborators.
It wasn't like Bob Mackie would say, here I designed this, put this on.
She would she would go back and forth with them, kind of push him to go even further.
And just just from the fact that she was willing to try on or wear in public anything he came up with, I think really inspired him too.
So those two were as much a duo as Sunny and Share were.
Yeah. And to be clear, like this was started on that TV show.
It wasn't just the sort of iconic thing she would wear on the red carpet later, like they've been together since the beginning basically.
Yeah. I think their TV show would have something like 20 different costume changes per episode.
And Bob Mackie was there designing everything.
So yeah, they're they're very close.
I think still, I'm pretty sure Bob Mackie's still around.
All right. Well, we're going to go check and see if Bob Mackie's still with us and take a break.
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We look so much stuff from Josh and Chuck.
Stuff you should know. All right Chuck, so lay it on everybody.
Is Bob Manky known as the Sultan of Sequence still alive?
I'm glad to say so that he is.
He was born in 1940. So Bob Manky is 84 years young.
Very nice. Still going.
Okay. So back to Sonny again.
Sonny's spirit is out there like, okay, that's enough about Bob Manky.
Let's get back to me. Right.
Okay, so should I take over?
Yeah. Do do something. Well, they had their, they had their very popular TV show romantically with their marriage.
Things weren't as successful.
Sonny started stepping out and then share started stepping out on their marriage.
They had some financial issues, which we should be like how in the world, with these huge stars have money trouble.
One of the reasons because Sonny was, he controlled everything in their relationship when it came to the business.
So he was controlling their money one of the big things that happened was in 69.
He financed a movie called Chastity.
Putting most of their money into it for Cher to, you know, start on her first movie, Vehicle and it was a big flop.
It's one of the big rules of movie production is you never put your own money into your own movie.
Just not smart to do. So it was actually the same year that Chas Bono was born, which is their son who very famously transitioned in 2008 because Chas was assigned female at birth.
Right. And that's another thing that Cher would become very famous for is championing trans rights in large part because of her experience with Chas or Son.
And she's become a real, as we'll see, I think as you mentioned at the outset, a gay icon and also a huge, she has a huge following in the trans community too.
Yeah, absolutely. So by 1973, Sonny and Cher show are still going on, still going pretty strong.
And for all intents and purposes, Sonny is married to a former cigarette girl in a club called Connie Foreman.
But for the public's information, they were still together, Sonny and Cher, where finally they're like, okay, this isn't sustainable anymore.
And they started to get divorced in 1974.
And you said that Sonny had total control over their finances, right?
Yeah. He had even more control than she realized.
Like, I think she just thought like he handled that stuff.
But as they were getting divorced, her own lawyer was like, you know, the company that was built on your talent, it's actually called Cher Enterprises, you own 0% of that.
Sonny owns 95% and the lawyer that runs the thing owns the other five.
You own nothing. And she's like, oh my God, really, that's crazy.
And the lawyer's like, no, it gets even worse.
You've been signing contracts that you haven't been reading haven't you?
And she's like, yeah, I guess this is a paraphrase, by the way, or an imagined conversation.
And he said, you signed a contract that said that you would not work outside of Cher Enterprises.
So you can't record music, you can't be in movies, you can't be on TV.
And we don't know what's going to happen with this because this is essentially an ironclad contract.
Right. Which of course, there is no such thing, thankfully, because so many entertainers sign bad contracts that they can in fact, get out of.
And that's what happened when Cher was like, wait a minute, you're saying that I can't do anything except for make entertainment for a company that I own no part of.
And he said, yeah. And she was like, all right, well, let me ask my boyfriend this.
Her boyfriend at the time was another music in Pursario, David Geffen.
And he said, I'll get you out of that.
Don't worry about it. So he gets her out of that contract, gets her a two and a half million dollar deal with Warner Bros.
Which, you know, there's a lot of money now.
But obviously in the early 1970s, it's a very big record contract.
And that would be followed very shortly thereafter by the canceling of the comedy hour in 1974.
But Cher was always, she's still like sunny.
She wasn't like this guy took advantage of me.
She was, she was like, you know, I really love sunny.
I would have done another show if they would have split it 50, 50 with me.
He was a terrible husband, but a great mentor and a great teacher to me.
Right. Anytime I hear about the sunny and share.
So too, I'm reminded of that Simpsons little bit where they talk about a man who woke up from a coma after 20 years.
And he's being interviewed in his hospital bed and he goes, do sunny and share still have that stupid show.
And Kim Brockman goes, no, she won an Oscar and he's a congressman.
And I go, good night and like dies right there.
It's only like girls out of his mouth.
Yes. Honeybona would become a congressman.
Yeah. A Republican congressman, no less.
Was he? Yeah. Oh, I couldn't remember.
So in 1975, she got her own variety show, just called Share.
And it was sort of like the rest of them.
It was not as popular. You know, they had a certain chemistry together that made them famous.
And so they would bring back the show.
This time not as the the comedy hour, but just the sunny and share show.
And that one didn't last super long either, because in by 1977, and this was the version that I saw on TV when I was but six years old, they broke up professionally as well.
That was it for her and Sunny Bono from that point on, aside from in the public's collective memory, right?
Yeah. Like I said, she was still carrying out or performing like she had a solar career that she was also doing all this time while she was doing other stuff with Sunny.
And it was very successful, very early on.
She had her seventh album was in 1971.
She was 24, I think at the time, 25 maybe.
And she that was her seventh studio album.
Initially, it was entitled Share with a little accent over the E just to make it fancy.
But instead, they're like, no, no, we want to be way more offensive than that.
Let's name it after the title track, Gypsy's Tramps and Thieves.
That's right. That's a word that is not used anymore, which we learned when we did that episode many, many years ago.
So we're also learning everybody.
She also had a song on there that has an age too well.
It was called Halfbreed.
And it was about, it was like from the perspective of a half Cherokee woman and share wore a faux headdress and performed that way and claimed to be of Cherokee descent on her mother's side.
And it seems like none of that is actually true.
And I'm sure that stuff share is not like, you know, puts at the top of her CV these days.
No, but interestingly, she still rocked a headdress in her Vegas residency in the 21st century.
When she really, yeah, when she would do a medley of her hits for that song, she would wear a headdress still.
So she still doing Halfbreed?
Yeah. All right. Yeah. So I read that somewhere.
I didn't see it with my own eyes or anything.
Well, maybe that is at the top of her CV then.
So it was about this time.
You imagine that's the number one thing she lists out of her entire career.
So about this time, early early 70s, she starts becoming known for like really wearing just totally revealing clothing.
And she and Bob Mackie just put it into like overdrive and start taking off from there.
And one of the outfits that she first got wide public notice for was her naked dress that she wore to the Met Gala in 1974 and Bob Mackie escorted her.
And it is a naked dress. It's an amazing, beautiful gown that seems totally see through.
But it's not. And it was a it was a big deal.
It made a huge splash. Yeah.
And if you know, you can't go to the Met Gala these days and throw you can throw a rock and hit five naked dresses with that one throw.
But that was I tried to find examples of anyone that to pioneer that nude look in public before or share.
And I couldn't find any.
So as far as I know, Mackie and Cher kind of put that that well worn look on the map.
Yeah. Yeah. From what I saw, she was widely cited as the first one.
She also wore it the next year in the cover time.
And that just kind of sealed it as an iconic dress.
But that was far from the last dresses we'll see.
We're going to talk a little bit more about her dresses soon.
But first, let's take a little side trip over to the Alman brothers band.
Literally. And meet up.
Yeah. And meet up with Greg Alman, one of the founders.
And they got married. Apparently within a few days of sunny and shares divorce being final.
Cher, I guess had met Greg Alman at some point and was like, let's go get married in Vegas.
And I think nine days later, they were married in Vegas.
Yeah. And they had a, I mean, her relationship in marriage at Greg Alman is as famous as it was to sunny Bono because of, I mean, her marriage to sunny was a little boring in comparison, I think.
And I think it was either Cher or maybe it was Greg.
One of them described their marriages being on LSD at Disneyland.
So they had a lot of fun. But this was a bad time.
I mean, good time professionally for Greg Alman in the mid seventies.
But he was really not doing too well with his consumption habits.
He had heroin issues and cocaine issues and alcohol issues.
And they had a volatile, I guess four or five year run, getting back together, remarrying stuff like that, reconciling.
So it was sort of an up and down wild marriage, rock and roll marriage, which got a lot of press.
But it also bore her other son Elijah Blue Alman who was born in 1976.
Yeah. And I don't remember if I brought this up and if so, where?
But I ran across this somewhere.
And I remembered it when I was reading about Elijah Blue Alman.
The balloon arch, which you might see it like a waiting or something like that, was invented for Elijah Blue Alman's third birthday by legendary balloon artist Treb Hining.
The new dress. Isn't that amazing?
The balloon arch, the new dress.
What else? Auto tune, as we'll see.
Yeah. I mean, she was like a huge pioneer in a lot of like share had a really large pop cultural impact.
More than she gets credit for for sure.
I think so. As I said, that marriage was trouble.
Greg Alman was not much of a father.
Elijah Blue has had struggles in his life and his health, drug problems.
I know he struggles with Lyme disease.
And they're very sadly still have a trouble.
He and Chair have a troubled relationship.
I remember reading this last year.
She tried to file or she filed to try and get a conservatorship over him just late last year but was denied it.
I think anyone who is a fan of share is really behind her and hoping that she and her son can can resolve this.
Yeah. Apparently she went through a really rough patch with Chaz as well, but that that's kind of been resolved over the years.
She said in I think a 2010 interview in Vanity Fair, right?
Yeah. So by this time by 1978, she and Greg Alman are about to split up for good.
And she decides to finally just change her legal name to share, which was an enormous reduction in the number of letters in her full name because at the time, her full legal name was Sherylens or Kaysian Loppier Bono Alman.
And she's like, just call me share from now on.
And that's what the law said.
They stamped it and said, okay, we'll call you share from now on.
Another thing that share was very well known for was her myriad boyfriend she had over the years.
Many times including up to two day dating men that were younger than her, sometimes much younger than her.
But usually famous dudes, very high profile relationships.
She dated Gene Simmons for a couple of years, the bass player from Kiss and more than bass player, obviously.
She dated Val Kilmer, she dated Tom Cruise, she dated Eric Stoltz who played her son movie Mask, which is a little strange.
But yeah, she loves men and loves dating men.
Yeah. She believes in love.
Right. And she believes in life even afterward too.
Yeah. A little side thing on Eric Stoltz that I found out recently, apparently he was the original Marty McFly and back to the future.
Did you know that? You didn't know that?
No. I'll stop sharing this anecdote immediately.
No, I'm sorry. That was just one of those that I thought she would have known.
Like you can see the, like they shot some of the movie with him and you can see the scenes.
I did not know that part.
I did know that they wanted Michael J.
Fox originally, but family ties was like, no, so they went with Eric Stoltz and we're like, this kid is playing this way too seriously.
He would not goof it up at all.
It was too serious of an actor.
So they were like, all right, we're like a third of the way through shooting.
We're just going to bring in Michael J.
Fox on nights and weekends, which is why a lot of the stuff that a lot of the scenes Michael J.
Fox is in, are at night, said it.
Yeah. You should check out some of the scenes.
It's very brain breaking to be someone of our generation and see Eric Stoltz playing Martin McFly.
So what's like that scenes that made it into the movie you mean or the outtakes?
No, no, no, okay. Just, I mean, they had shot it third of the movie and that that exists online.
I see. I got you. I didn't know if they were like, this, this seems actually too good.
We're just going to pretend like that's Michael J.
Fox. I got you. So like he's got his back turned to the camera.
You can still somehow see his freckles.
In the 80s is when Cher finally broke out as an actor.
This is something that or actually, should we take a break there or no?
Yeah, we might as well. All right.
Little sleep at Cliffhanger though.
And when we come back, we'll learn to see if Cher ever acted again right after this.
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We've got to the bottom of that one too.
Share did finally get into acting in a genuine way in the 1980s.
She was on Broadway. I guess in the same year, in 1982, Robert Altman did a Broadway version of Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean and a movie.
She was in the movie and won a Golden Globe for that part even.
Did you know that that play originally premiered at the Alliance Leader in Atlanta before Broadway?
Amazing. That was a big breakthrough for her, that movie in particular, but also Broadway.
It's a pretty big deal to go act on stage.
There's a big difference between being in the hands of an editor and being live on stage.
That was a pretty big way to debut as a genuine actor.
One thing we should say, that Chastity movie that she first tried in 1969, that was a drama.
It wasn't a comedy. It was like a straight up drama and people were just like, no, we're not accepting this.
So she kept at it. She was in Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean.
She, I think, the next year played the lesbian roommate of Merrill Streep, or well Merrill Streep's character in Silkwood.
And she actually cites that as one of the watershed moments that started to attract a following for her from the gay community that eventually became her gay icon ship.
Yeah, she won the Golden Globe for that.
Then she starred in Mask.
She was amazing in Mask.
That movie was so good. If I remember correctly, I haven't seen it in a long time, but I just can't see that not being good.
Like that part where he teaches his blind girlfriend, like what colors are through touch?
What was that, Lorddune?
Okay, so Cher is like her, her, his Eric Stoltz's protective biker mom and
