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Welcome to the Fluent Mind ESL podcast.
My name is Jack and I'm here with my co-host, Xochitl.
And today we're going to talk about something that happened in the United States this past week.
It was a terrible thing and a tragic thing, but it's also a complicated thing.
And so Xochitl and I are going to do our best to talk about this without offending too many people.
And many of you won't know what we're talking about.
Maybe this might be new information.
But this was a big news event in the United States this last week.
So what am I talking about?
What is the the huge the event that happened last week?
We're talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
And for those who are unfamiliar with Charlie Kirk, he was not he was not a politician or anything.
He was more like a.
I guess a little bit of a political figure.
He was like a political podcaster, really, in the far right.
He was an influencer and an advocate for basically MAGA, Make America Great Again movement.
He's kind of an influencer or would you say, would that be right?
Yeah, he's like an influencer.
I would agree with that.
And he was quite popular.
He had amassed quite a following, spewing far right politics and hate, essentially.
That was his legacy that he chose.
And he is famous for phrases like empathy is a new age term that has done a lot of damage.
Yeah.
He.
Yeah.
So ironically he also said some gun deaths are necessary for Second Amendment right protection, which in America our Second Amendment says a Second Amendment is part of the, the laws that make up the land, the Constitution.
Every time I say like I was going to say the Constitution, and then I'm like maybe they don't know what that is.
So I'm trying to think like I go back a step and it's like it's very hard to just to talk about American politics without using terminology.
Yeah.
But our students, you guys can, you know.
You can listen to the episode and you could probably look up some of these definitions, or I can add them.
But just for some brief context.
The Constitution was made by our founding fathers, which are the people who founded what we know as the United States of America today.
And they had basically a set of rules and laws that every American should be able to live by.
And the Second Amendment is the right to bear arms, which basically protects the right of Americans to own guns and have weaponry to be able to challenge a tyrannical government.
And that is rare because most countries do not allow guns. civilians to have possession of firearms.
That is the reason that you see so many civilians having widespread possession of dangerous firearms in America is because of the Second Amendment.
Well said, exactly.
And the reason Sochal and I can sit here and criticize the, The government and the president and things like that, is because of the First Amendment.
We have the freedom of speech, where you can't be arrested or put in jail for saying something negative about that the president or the vice president or another politician.
It's our right to talk about those things and say what we, say what we mean, right?
We don't have to, you know, lie or hide what we're, what we're saying.
Yeah.
And so, for some brief context on what happened, Charlie Kirk was giving a talk at the University of Utah.
Is that correct, Jack?
It's got another name.
Yeah, Utah something.
I can't remember what it's called.
It's a university in Utah anyway.
And basically he was giving a talk and he was famous for allowing people to debate his points or challenge him on his beliefs.
And so you know when he was shot, actually people were.
Someone had come up to the stand and was asking him do you know how many gun deaths there have been in America in the last 10 years?
Or something like that.
And as he replied, Are we talking like in general or gang violence related, I believe?
And then he was shot and killed.
And the shot was... weird because it looked like a sniper shot.
We obviously won't go into graphic detail on the Fluent Mind podcast.
It does not traumatize people.
But the shot was executed in a very professional way because, if you guys are aware, when you're shooting someone from a distance of 200 to 300 meters away that's two to three football fields away and they're in a tent and there's public crowd and there's movement and there's tons of people surrounding them.
You have to calculate for so many different things like wind location movement, everything.
And so for the shot to be perfectly executed and be an immediate kill shot made a lot of people suspicious.
That it was a political hit.
Yeah, that was kind of my instinct in the beginning.
I've changed my mind now.
I think that this is a lone gunman situation, I think.
Yeah.
And I'm trying to think, like, are students going to be – like, you told the story well.
I'm just trying to think of like, what else we could give for context before we get into like the kind of meat and potatoes of everything.
But – that's a pretty good context.
Yeah right yeah, he was giving a talk um where he debates uh, college students um, from a conservative standpoint, he's a right-wing person um, but he's very right-wing like he.
You know, some of his beliefs were, like you said um, you know, like uh, People should have the rights to.
You know, there should be no infringement on gun rights and trans people are dangerous and black people are gang members and black women are not.
Black people would be better off enslaved, were better off enslaved than how they are now.
I think – I believe.
Did he say that or I think maybe his – one of his colleagues said that.
Yeah.
I could be wrong on that.
He definitely did say.
You know, in America we have like abortion is a very hot topic and it's very – controlled by the government right now.
And there's been a lot of reform overturning Roe versus Wade, which gave women the right to abort in very specific situations.
And now that has been overturned.
And he did say that even if children were the victims of abortion, sexual assault or something that would result in a pregnancy, even if his own 10-year-old daughter was the victim of something like that, he would force her to carry the birth two-term and have that child, because he did not believe in abortion under any circumstances.
He used to be more libertarian, but there wasn't enough money there.
So he turned kind of a white Christian nationalist.
And so the abortion thing is – that's – that's red meat for the fundamentalist Christian base, right.
No, no abortions under any situations.
He's also, you know, he made a lot of, he made millions of dollars, you know from basically, like you said, spewing kind of hatred hate, hateful ideas and Yeah.
Vitriol is a good word for listeners.
You can look it up.
V-I-T-R-I-O-L, vitriol.
It's just another way to say basically spewing hateful topics and things like that.
Exactly.
He also criticized the mental capacity of black women and stuff like that.
He also made a watch list on this website where they put the names and schools of of what they consider dangerous um, professors who are teach, you know, teaching from a left.
Oh, that's weird.
I want to see if my dad's on there, i'm gonna have to look it up.
Yes, the professors watch this.
Yeah sorry, go ahead.
My dad's a marxist theorist, so yeah, i mean i think it was more of like um, It seemed to be a lot of people of color on that website.
My dad's white, but we're all good there, maybe.
But yeah, a lot of weird...
Yeah, a lot of stuff.
So anyway yeah, he spread a lot of hate and he was very divisive and he was not somebody who believed in having empathy for others who are going through a difficult situation, who have been through oppression, who are subjugated in our current society.
And again, like I said, he was famous for saying that he did not believe in empathy.
He thought that it was a made up new age term and that it caused harm.
So.
Sorry, go ahead, Jack.
No, no, no.
I'm just I guess I want to go back to like, you know, so he also had a wife and two little children.
Which is, you know, that's sad because now those children are going to grow up without a dad.
And he seemed to, you know, love his family.
So I want to give at least that much to him.
Right.
Well, I think maybe we can get into what happened, like the reaction everyone had after his death.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's do that.
So you're fine.
My thought is that, OK, so, yeah, after he was assassinated, Trump posted about it.
Our president, Trump, posted about it almost immediately afterwards.
And it hit a lot of people like a ton of bricks.
And basically the fallout was that our flags were put at half mast, which is usually done when a political figure is assassinated.
And they were trying to say, you know, it's the radical left who has put out a hit on him.
And essentially using his death to further the far right agenda is what i feel happened, and there was a lot of fallout.
And then everyone was looking for this gunman.
It was a huge topic on social media.
It was a huge political topic.
And it had a lot of people kind of up in arms and in chaos because gun violence is a huge issue.
And we've also had a few instances in America now where um, you know, there's been murders of ceos, political figures um, there was the january 6th incident.
So america never had these things in its history really in the last maybe 200 years until, i think, trump's presidency.
Well no, i mean the civil war.
Okay, i'll put, i'll give.
After the civil war and that all kind of died down, i would say, would you agree jack, that that at least for white people in America things were pretty um yeah, i would say like uh, after reconstruction and you know things were pretty rough in the 1920s, that you know we had a great depression and stuff like that, that's true.
But after world war ii, things you know look good and they were especially good for white people absolutely yeah, It's kind of gone to the point where our collective memory, especially for white people in America well, basically only for white people in America has forgotten like a tumultuous past.
So we've only known peace, like an era of peace.
Yeah, yeah.
Except for the 60s.
Political violence was pretty bad around that time.
But you know, I think that you know, it's just like No, it's more like white people terrorizing people of color in the 60s.
Well, I guess there were 60s.
Okay, well, there's a lot that we would have to, we would have to do so many episodes on this.
So sorry to our listeners, Jack and I, Jack and I are very like thorough people in politics.
So it's hard for us to just do a surface level.
But I would say that, especially for, like my gen, Charlie was a millennial and I am a zillennial, which is someone in between millennial and gen z, and so anyone millennial or younger has pretty much known peace in america for white people, for white people specifically, and so this is really challenging that, because there have been now attacks on white people, on wealthy people, and i think it's causing and we have, you know, one of the most regressive administrations that we've ever had in the last 50 years or so.
So I think, Although your generation is the first generation to ever, you know practice like shooter, you know drills like in high school.
You know what I mean.
In middle school and elementary school.
That's true.
We had mass shootings, but I would say that our political...
You're talking about political assassinations and things like that.
Yeah.
Are not like political assassinations that really happen in America.
Yeah.
As far as we I mean for white, for white people in power they were not politically assassinated, or were they the targets of political assassination?
You know, in the last in my generation I would say yeah, and so it's just become very like earth shattering for a lot of people that you know.
He was killed.
Yeah and yeah, go ahead jack, what.
It's just hard to hard to wrap my head around right now, because it's just like it's um, we're in such a strange time um, weird notes.
Yeah, america is becoming like I'm saying this as a Latina, but it's like Venezuela or something.
You know what I'm saying?
Like a, like a, like a kind of like a, um, like, like we're isolated.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
We have like a, a man who's trying to become a dictator, and we have like now we have like political assassinations and we have like um horrible, it's like.
It's like reform but the opposite of progress, like all our rights are being stripped from the american people.
Um, it's getting weird, america's weird, like it's just becoming a lot of countries that have already been through things like this and more recent history are looking at america like you are in the war, you are past the warning stage and Oh yes.
Charlie Kirk is the Reichstag, you know, moment.
If we follow the fascist playbook, you know as written by the Nazis and Adolf Hitler, it seems like we just keep having these like moments that are kind of mirrors of like of everything that happened on the way to the Nazis becoming the Nazi party that we, we know about today with, you know, Hitler having full, you know full authority over over uh, nazi germany, and it's like kind of just moment by moment, we're just hitting these like you know um landmarks uh, and i feel like we're just marching towards our deaths, you know right off the cliff, and people are just like looking at their screens and you know, Should I go to Pilates today or not?
You know, well, there's like almost nothing.
We're so far removed and oppressed as and even though we have the right to bear arms.
Our military is one of the like, if not the number one military in the world like.
They have so far beyond what equipment that we have access to as citizens that they would just nuke us essentially.
They could probably just nuke all the, like, Democrats.
You know, they probably have a bomb that just only kills Democrats.
They put, like, poison in the kombucha.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but that was funny.
But like, you know, so I just I don't know.
Jack, how how are you feeling about this as someone who's not in America?
Oh, but you and how are you feeling about this as someone who's not currently in America and seeing all this play out from Korea, but also your daughter is in America.
Yeah.
Yeah yeah, she's totally kind of in an isolated bubble of a ballet school, so I'm not worried about her right now.
I think it kind of – I want to just broaden this out a little bit to – make it relevant, maybe more relatable to our students.
So I want our students to imagine that there's somebody that is a bully that you don't like.
They pick on weaker people, people who don't have agency, people who are marginalized, people who have lost a lot recently because of the current Trump administration, like trans people losing the ability to get the medicine they need, children not getting school lunches because they want to give tax breaks to billionaires.
So imagine a person like that, and then that person gets killed.
Should we celebrate their death?
Do we feel nothing?
Or can we feel two things at the same time?
And I think for me, the answer is I can feel two things at the same time.
I feel sorry that he got murdered.
He didn't deserve to die for his words.
But and, you know, he had a family and a couple of kids.
And so as a parent, I find that really disgusting that he was that someone decided to take his life.
On the other hand, I'm not going to start whitewashing his history just because he got murdered.
I think we can talk about it honestly.
And he said some pretty horrible things about a lot of different groups of people, a lot of groups that don't have much power or any power at all.
And so in that way...
I don't have any respect for his ideology.
I think his legacy is a legacy of negativity and...
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Yeah.
But also at the same time, I'm sorry he got shot.
I wish that didn't happen.
I don't think he deserved that.
And so that's where I kind of ended up.
Like I said, both things can be true at the same time.
I can dislike who he was and what he stood for and also feel sympathy and empathy for him and his family for the murder that happened to him.
So that's where I am, I think.
What about you?
I lean farther.
I lean a little more radical, which might cause some divisive comments, but I'm prepared.
I'm prepared to face them.
But my personal opinion is that How much can you say that you love your family when you're actively working against the rights of your wife and your daughter?
You say you love your family, but you said that you would force your 10 year old to carry a child to term if she was the victim of sexual assault at her age, at 10 years old.
How can you really love her?
It doesn't matter if you said this because you thought it would make you money, or you're really that willing to sell yourself out.
I think he was that willing to sell himself out.
Right.
But imagine your daughter growing up and hearing that.
Oh, yeah.
That's awful for the child.
The wife is already on his side when it comes to... He's been subjugated, but it's horrible.
It's just...
I mean, I don't think I can... You know, I don't know.
It's like, how can you say that you love someone when you're actively working against their rights?
That's my thing.
That's a strong argument.
That's a strong point.
Yeah, love is not just.
Love is definitely not a word or an expression.
To me, love is actions, and if you are influencing others around you to act against the best interest of the women that you claim to love, then you don't love them at all.
Yeah, i mean not in a real respectful way, not as an equal okay, so you're.
So how?
Where would you put yourself on the like?
Um, you just feel, just feel numb nothing, really like no yeah, i don't really care about his death.
I mean yeah, the thing the thing is about his death is um, do i believe in public executions?
No, Do I support gun violence?
No.
He supported gun violence.
He did, yeah.
He supported what happened to him.
He did.
He died an ironic death because he was basically said you know, for us to have the right to have guns in America, some people are going to die.
And that might be necessary.
It's worth it.
And so, yeah, he traded his life for our rights for guns, I guess.
I hope it was worth it for him, you know.
Why should we extend empathy towards someone who himself didn't believe in empathy?
Yeah, because I think as lefties, our empathy is right there on the surface.
We're empathetic people.
Okay, that's true.
I agree with you.
But there's another thing.
A lot of people are like the tolerant left, the tolerant left, like we're empathetic as left.
Yes, we are empathetic as left.
But there's two points I really want to make.
One.
How empathetic can we really be while While gunning for progress here?
Pardon the term, I couldn't think of a better phrase, but if we really want to make progress, these people like Trump and Charlie Kirk and these other extremists who don't support the rights of everyone and who want to put white men in charge of everything and strip the rights of everybody else away, they're never going to see eye to eye with us.
So what are we expecting to do?
We should never resort to violence.
Sorry, I stepped all of your words there.
Oh, you're fine.
You're fine.
I don't agree with, like you know, killing people who disagree with you.
Then there would be a lot of deaths.
But I just feel like what is...
I mean, that's why we believe in democracy, right, is essentially because you should.
But when someone as oppressive as Trump is allowed to come into power, then that puts our democracy in a very fragile place.
And as a tolerant left, we have to be mindful of the fact that A lot of progress in this country was achieved through violence.
I'm not inciting violence, but i'm just saying i'm not gonna deny or erase the contributions of people who had to protest in that way for civil rights, for women's rights, like i can't deny that existing and being real for black lives matter, like those.
See, I would push back on that a little bit because I think the most effective protests are the nonviolent protests.
Martin Luther King and Gandhi in those models of nonviolent protests.
I think violent protests actually sabotages the – it gives the other side of – a little uh leverage, you know and uh, but you know um, everything gives other side.
They'll use leverage against us, whether we're violent or not.
But okay, so martin luther king also said that like liberals were okay, i'm getting too political here, so i'm going to scale back a little bit because i'm going to get hit on myself from the fbi, but i will.
I will scale back a little bit.
But one thing that i think is very important is um Gosh, what were we just talking about?
We're talking about the nonviolent protests.
Yeah, I think asking black and brown people and women who have been oppressed and who have had their rights stripped from them by people like Charlie Kirk, who encouraged and influenced hundreds and thousands and even millions of people to work against them, is violence.
It's violence to ask these people to have empathy.
I agree.
I agree with that.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's yeah, it is a form of of of violence in a way that like like putting people on a watch list where then you know that they're going to be harassed.
You're setting in motion something that is that is, that is basically going to end in violence.
You know, some nut job is going to try to kill one of those professors because you just it's just a numbers thing you know a million people watch it the right wing.
What percentage of them are mentally ill?
What percentage of them have guns?
And yeah, you just start to do the math and you're like it's inevitable.
Um, I think what we ended up seeing happen in real time is somebody who was advocating for his followers' to act in the way that he was taken out in the end.
It was just like an ironic death all around, as you said, and he ended up getting It came back to bite him.
Basically, karma just came back to bite him in a very unfortunate way, and I kind of feel nothing about his death.
I understand that you feel empathy and you feel two ways, and I think that that's fair, because i think that's that's a fair opinion.
For me personally, i don't feel anything, but i do think we need reform on gun violence before 100 guns.
Yeah, we need reforms.
Yeah, we get to that.
It was it ended up being.
They found the shooter and it was a 22 year old kid apparently um, which was insane to me.
Did you were you shocked by that, Jack?
I thought it was an inside job first.
And then, you know, like, yeah, we got our tempo hats out.
We were like texting.
I was like this for sure has got to be like.
This is a conspiracy just to take the heat off of Donald Trump right now, because he's dealing with a whole other issue that we could talk about in another episode.
But I don't know.
We'll see how this one does first.
We'll see how this one goes.
We don't get canceled.
Bye.
So basically, you know the administration was hoping that it was going to be a.
You know that the shooter would be.
You know MS-13 transgender gender studies student from Berkeley.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Yeah.
That was their wish list, you know.
And what they got was basically the reason he killed Charlie Kirk, as far as I can surmise is, is that Charlie Kirk wasn't right-wing enough.
Like a Nick Fuentes version of Charlie Kirk is almost like a full white supremacist worldview.
And so it seems like Charlie Kirk was not even extreme enough for this guy.
Now, I got a funny Facebook from my cousin who's a MAGA person.
And he was saying, showing me a tweet from some reporter from Fox News who said that this guy lived with his transgender partner.
And I'm like...
That's that smells fishy.
You know what I mean?
Like that story doesn't even make sense.
He was like a Mormon or something.
They're so desperate to turn this against the Democrats to weaponize this death.
And to basically – here's – if you're – even the people who are saying, I don't care that he died.
I didn't like him in real life and I don't care about him in the afterlife.
Right.
The most disrespectful thing that people are doing is what the Republicans are doing by making political.
What am I trying to say?
Political cat, you know, cachet or whatever.
Like yeah, they're trying to like turn it into they're doing a charlie manson on it, which is like a case where i have to sorry to our listeners.
They're not gonna understand any of this.
Yeah, you'll have to pause it.
Listeners, You'll really have to appreciate pausing and going down the rabbit hole so many times in this podcast.
So set aside a time when you have a lot of time to listen to this.
But essentially, they're trying to politicize Charlie Kirk's death.
That's the easiest way to say it.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Score political points.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're trying to politicize Charlie Kirk's death, which is exactly what Jack was saying.
And that is... you know, that's the end of it.
And I, I just, it's more disgusting than what the, what anyone on the left has done.
Yeah.
It is way more disgusting.
Yeah.
Jack, just a quick, quick question.
Do you Apparently the gunman's father?
The 22-year-old gunman's father turned him in to the police.
Yeah, he was a sheriff.
Are you surprised by this, and how do you feel as a father? um no i i feel like um he did the right thing you know and that um i feel like uh you know as a sheriff he probably and as a mormon you know as a as a christian the guy probably felt like um you know this is the right the right thing to do even though it's very painful um and so would i turn my daughter in um uh if she commits a capital crime like that like a horrible murder yeah i'll turn her in yeah yeah that's admirable my dad would my dad is like anyway but he my dad would buy me a ticket to a country with no extradition oh wow okay okay i know i i would put i put everything on the line betting that my parents would buy me a plane ticket immediately to a country with no extradition but they're my parents are very far like my dad's a carl marxist theorist you know he's like uh he's super far left yeah he believes in political revolution and like all of that so i think that's probably why um if i just like murdered someone right i mean and then that's the thing like is charlie kirk innocent is he not i think it's i think it's debatable like how innocent he is obviously he wasn't a politician but you know being able to influence people in the way that he did that's a dangerous game that you're playing and then it came back to bite him I would definitely consider him an innocent victim.
I mean, he shouldn't have been killed for his words.
You can be nasty, you know, in America.
And that's our right.
You know, First Amendment protects ugly speech.
I agree.
You should have freedom of speech.
But I'm like, is it just where... I mean, I don't think he should have been killed.
I'm just saying...
I don't think it was just words at the end of the day, because he was influencing all these people around him to vote and like And lobby for and create reform for people of their rights.
So, at the end of the day, I don't think it was just words, that I don't think it was just like maybe the reason he was murdered by that particular gunman was just words, or whatever.
But I don't think his evilness ends at just words.
I think he was far more evil than just words.
But I don't think he would have been killed.
And I think this is a great example of why we need gun reform in America.
Yeah.
Well, he was a great public speaker, very articulate, and good at arguing, good at debating.
But I don't think he had any other motive than greed, to be honest.
And if you're good at what skills that he had public speaking, debating and you want to chase the money, which side are you going to go on?
Left or right?
You're going to go on the...
There's no money on the left.
You have to do the hard work.
Get all the subscribers.
Get all the YouTube hits and get your money that way.
And then you make barely enough to survive.
Or you just get a billionaire to basically fund you and just give you millions of dollars.
And that's what he did.
But I don't think he realized what a dangerous game he was playing.
He was playing with fire.
How long can you contain that anger and the rage that you're stoking?
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like a fire, like a pyromaniac, someone who likes to start fires.
I always put them out.
I start the fire, then I put it out.
It's like one of those days that fire's not going to.
You're going to.
The wind is going to blow and it's going to catch some other part on fire and it's going to get out of control.
And that's what happened to him in his life.
Was he played with a very dangerous game of right-wing political outrage machine, which is all they are, just the rage machine, just make people angry.
And especially at like marginalized groups black people, brown people immigrants, transgender people women, you Just any group that you could think of that is in any position of lesser power than the white man.
I guess you could say he would stoke outrage in people to get mad at those marginalized groups.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just feel like, in a way, he was playing a dangerous game, and he got burned.
That's kind of where I am.
Maybe I sound cold, but I think that's the right analysis of what happened.
Yeah, I don't think you sound cold at all.
You sound very empathetic.
Okay.
And I think...
It just points to the fact we need gun reform in this country.
I mean for any wingnut to go out and murder someone they disagree with, not to mention the countless other ways guns are used to enact violence in our country.
We need reform.
And to see countries like to, to live in Korea or Japan or any of these other countries with very heavy reform around gun use and feel safe going out and not have to worry about your child going to school and getting killed.
Not have to worry about going to a movie theater to watch a movie and getting shot.
Not have to worry about going to the mall and getting shot.
Not have to worry about accidentally knocking on the wrong door because you messed up the address to go to your friend's house and getting killed.
That's just... It's just...
It's too much.
It's insanity.
I mean, like I take it for granted here.
But I mean, when I go back to America, I just when I think about America and that we can't even go one day without a mass shooting.
I mean, there is a mass shooting every day.
The day Charlie Kirk died, a bunch of kids got shot in a school.
I mean, and it didn't even make the news because Charlie Kirk died.
We have a very strong propaganda network and machine happening in America.
That's got basically 35 of the population in a cult.
They're in a cult.
And they're brainwashed.
And they're basically ordered to... remain angry at all times.
And then Charlie Kirk is one of these kind of, we could say, capitans.
You know the captains of, of of the outrage machine.
You know there's others in that group too.
And I'm sure those people are very scared right now.
You know to they're not going to be doing any public speaking for the next short while.
Yeah.
That's a good thing.
I mean, we've been spreading more hate.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think, you know, gun reform needs to happen.
I hope this pushes the right, but I doubt it.
It's probably just going to be for them to... I'm completely blackpilled and cynical.
Nothing is going to change.
No way.
It's just...
Yeah, it's terrible.
You know, this is what this is supposedly the greatest country in the world.
Like this is what it's like living in America.
It is really dangerous.
Yeah.
To our listeners, like if you dream about coming to America, living in America, studying abroad in America.
Turn around.
Yeah, turn around.
I want you to know it's not always going to be like this.
I have hope that it will get better.
I have hope that you will be able to visit one day and it will be safe.
But right now, I just don't think it is.
Just go to New Zealand.
You'll be fine.
Go hang out in New Zealand.
Go to Britain, Ireland, Canada.
Go to Canada is better.
Yeah.
North America to go to North America, you know, go chill out in Mexico.
I mean, we don't speak English, but our president is doing the Lord's work right now.
You know, she's she's great.
I love her.
She's amazing.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Should we wrap it up?
It was like an hour long episode.
Yes, it was a long episode.
Yes.
All right.
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