[The Mysterious Death of John O'Keefe: Unraveling the Web of Suspicion and Allegations]-[Teen Boy’s Snapchat & Party Pic Reveal His Secret Connection To Karen Read Murder Case-Did He Do It?]
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The Unfolding Mystery of John O'Keefe
On January 29, 2022, Boston police officer John O'Keefe was found deceased on the front lawn of a residence at 34 Fairview Road in Canton, Massachusetts—a home owned by fellow officer Brian Albert. What began as a tragic discovery has spiraled into a complex, multi-layered legal battle involving two trials for O'Keefe’s girlfriend, Karen Reed, and a swirling vortex of conspiracy theories that challenge the official prosecution narrative.
The Prosecution's Theory vs. The "Wall of Suspicion"
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts alleges that Karen Reed, following a night of heavy drinking, struck O'Keefe with her Lexus SUV in a "crime of passion" and left him to die in the blizzard conditions. However, the defense and a growing number of online observers point to a "wall of suspicion" involving the Albert family, their connections to local law enforcement, and a series of highly questionable behaviors. Central to the skepticism is the bizarre, inconsistent testimony provided by those present at the "blizzard party" that night.
Key Players and Shifting Narratives
- Brian Albert & Brian Higgins: The two "Brians" are at the heart of the controversy. Higgins, an ATF agent, and Albert, a veteran Boston police officer, were both present at the party. Both men destroyed their cell phones—Higgins reportedly tossing his at a military base—under highly suspicious circumstances, often citing "upgrades" or "broken phones" despite being under court orders to preserve evidence.
- Colin Albert: The 17-year-old nephew of Brian Albert has become a focal point of intense scrutiny. Photos taken shortly after O'Keefe's death show Colin with bruised, pink knuckles, which he claims were the result of a fall on an icy driveway. Witnesses inside the house initially omitted his presence entirely, only later admitting he was there but left before O'Keefe arrived—a timeline many netizens find difficult to reconcile with the physical evidence.
- The "Invisible" Jeep: Several adult witnesses claim to have seen a Jeep with a snowplow parked in front of the house, yet none of the younger attendees or neutral bystanders (like Ryan Nagel) reported seeing such a vehicle. This has fueled theories that O'Keefe might have been struck by a plow rather than Reed's car.
The Role of Technology and Evasive Testimony
Throughout both trials, the witnesses—many of whom are law enforcement officers—demonstrated a pattern of "collective amnesia." Repeated phrases like "I don't recall" became a hallmark of their testimony, even when asked about simple interactions with colleagues or their own preparation for the trial. The defense highlighted the discrepancies in digital evidence, such as the use of screenshots rather than original data, and the suspicious "second comma" in text message headers that suggest tampering.
The "Basement" Theory and Motive
Many online theorists argue that O'Keefe was killed inside the Albert home, possibly in the basement, following a confrontation. This theory is bolstered by the fact that the Alberts unexpectedly renovated and sold their long-held family home shortly after the incident. Furthermore, the medical examiner’s inability to definitively classify the manner of death as a "homicide"—despite the evidence of blunt force trauma and hypothermia—adds weight to the defense’s argument that the investigation was compromised from the start.
Conclusion
The case of John O'Keefe has become a lightning rod for broader societal distrust in law enforcement. Whether Reed is guilty or the victim of a massive cover-up, the sheer number of coincidences—the destroyed phones, the missing dog, the "black blob" on the lawn, and the blatant evasiveness of the witnesses—suggests that the truth is buried deep beneath layers of institutional protection. As the series continues, the focus shifts to the forensic failures and the dark, alleged drug-related underbelly of the local community, leaving the public to wonder if justice for John O'Keefe is even possible within this interconnected system.
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If you want something to disappear forever, you're gonna throw it in the trash at a military base.
And it kind of makes sense.
Military trash is very different from regular civilian trash.
Each U .S. military base, they handle their waste systems very differently.
Some overseas bases, they have burn pits where they get their daily trash.
Some bases, they have enough trash to fill two and a half single family homes every single day.
Sometimes it's filled with medical waste, chemicals, paints, plastic, food, human feces.
They just round it up into a pile in the middle of nowhere pour jet fuel into it and light it on fire potentially giving everyone within like a few mile radius lifelong complications like asthma if not just like straight up lung disease they don't do that on u .s soil most of the time here there are waste systems in place and usually there are daily pickups of trash at military bases and they get taken to a very specific military landfill where they are then separated and then eventually some of the trash does end up with civilian trash But let's say you have your entire life belongings of sentimental
value, your life savings, your passport in a little baggie that someone accidentally trashes at a military base.
Your odds of finding that are slim to none.
I mean, you likely can't even voluntarily search these military landfills.
They have controlled access limited to authorized personnel only.
lonely. Even if the trash is still sitting at the bottom of the dumpster on the military base, you would need a federal search warrant to go in and look for it.
Which is perfect for Brian to take his phone with all of his text messages and call logs and then his SIM card that he breaks in half.
He takes those two things and he tosses them into the trash at a military base.
That way anyway nobody will ever be able to search his phone for anything that they might want and there's a lot on that phone that people want because brian was there the night that john o 'keefe mysteriously died in the front lawn of 34 fairview brian albert brian higgins brian higgins which we haven't talked about at all no okay january 29th 2022 john o 'keefe a boston police officer is found outside on the front lawn of another Boston cops house Brian Albert now the night before everyone's having a gathering there John O 'Keefe was driven there by his girlfriend Karen Reed and that's all we know
everything else is up for debate everyone inside the house states that John O 'Keefe never came inside they didn't even know that he was deceased in the front lawn until the next morning in fact even though there were police cruisers ambulances fire trucks they They didn't even know that they were asleep.
Everyone in the house at the time of the party says they never saw John O 'Keefe come inside.
John's girlfriend, Karen Reed, will say she saw him walk inside to make sure that they're welcome and he never walked back out.
But this is not Brian Albert that's trashing his phone.
This is one of Brian Albert's best friends.
Another Brian, Brian Higgins, a federal ATF agent.
ATF? alcohol tobacco and firearms federal agent so he works with the feds yes but it doesn't necessarily mean that he's like a higher rank it's just a different jurisdiction i mean i i some law enforcement think that anyone with the feds are higher in rank but it really depends right but they don't work directly together at all they're just friends sometimes they'll have mini projects together but not directly sometimes they'll work at the same police station because a lot of federal agents will have floating offices and they'll have like their own little desk at a police station because there's
not a federal office in every town now this brian higgins wanted john o 'keefe to come over that night this is also the man who was interested in dating karen reed in fact the two brian higgins and karen reed shared a kiss at john's house and atf agent brian tells karen that he wants the real deal and this is all before karen reed ghosts brian higgins he was there the night of the party and now he's throwing away his phone at a military base what exactly is brian higgins hiding and does he have the strongest motive to want john o 'keefe dead so that he can have karen reed we would like to thank
today's sponsors who have made it possible for rotten mango to support the dana farber cancer institute in boston massachusetts they're a globally known cancer research center that also provides support for patients and families similar to john o 'keefe's sister who had since passed away from brain cancer this episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support rotten mango's growing team and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates as always full show notes are available at rottenmango podcast .com there are references
of driving under the influence alleged physical assault please watch at your own discretion this episode is part two of the four -part series spanning both of Karen Reid's trials episode one is up now and I'd highly recommend going to watch that it's it kind of establishes the lay of the land and I know that every single episode is just going to be a deeper layer of suspicion so it's like okay everything you thought we knew in episode one it actually gets deeper and darker in episode two even though we're covering some of the same territory the way that people are talking about specific things
it's very fascinating the way that these witnesses testify so if you've seen it or you're coming from that episode, you may notice that a few more people have been added to the wall.
We're going to be adding more people as we get deeper into this case.
I just don't want to overload you with faces right now.
Before we get into the quick recap, in order to cover the vast span of both trials, so there were two trials for Karen Reed, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts versus Karen Reed.
There was one trial, ended in a mistrial, and then a second trial.
In order to cover both, many quotes and statements from testimony and or opening closing statements have been shortened and condensed for brevity.
If you feel like someone that should be on the wall isn't on the wall yet, it's because I've got a system for it.
It's either coming in the next episode or the last one, which is going to be part four.
Any speculations, accusations, and allegations discussed are representative of netizen theories that you can find publicly online.
We maintain that all individuals are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Most importantly, I do want to be very clear that John O 'Keefe ultimately lost his life.
Our team in no way, shape, or form are purposely trying to shift importance off of his death.
Rather, and I think quite frankly, please be aware that John not being the primary focus of this case as a whole is more of a reflection of how this case has been handled and presented by the authorities involved and not the way that we were researching this case.
So with that being said, let's get into the brief recap.
January 29th, 2022, Karen Reed calls two people.
The first one is Jen McCabe and the second one is Keri Roberts.
and she tells them John O 'Keefe her boyfriend of two years has not come home last night and she's freaking out it's like five in the morning they were getting drunk last night at a bar they were all hanging out with friends Jen was there Carrie was not and she's freaking out she doesn't know what to do she calls them they start searching for John they go back to John's house they're searching here and there Karen is allegedly a mess the entire time she's screaming she's frantic she's hysterical she keeps repeating the same things some people say that she was saying things things like, could I
have hit him? Other people are saying she said I hit him, like a declaration, a confession of sorts.
Eventually, they make it back to 34 Fairview Road.
This is a very important address.
It's a single -family home owned by none other than Brian Albert and his wife, Nicole Albert, who also happens to be Jen McCabe's sister.
So they're blood relatives.
This is Jen McCabe's brother -in -law.
They were all going to his house after the bar last night, Karen and John included.
So John is in Karen's car.
They roll up to the house.
Karen says, hey, we get to the house.
We've never been here before.
We had to call Jen to get instructions to even get here.
And once we get here, it doesn't look that welcoming.
And like, are you sure we're invited?
She asks John to go inside to check and make sure everything is good.
She stays in her car.
John goes inside. She's saying she saw him walk towards the front door and then he never comes outside she's getting agitated her stomach hurts she's not feeling well she doesn't know any of these people john knows them because he's a boston cop brian albert's a boston cop they're all cops karen she's an asset manager she's not a part of this cop world and so she decides i'm just gonna leave him because he's kind of making me mad he hasn't checked up on me he hasn't opened the door and said come in he hasn't texted me so as she's driving home she leaves a series of very angry voicemails calling
John O 'Keefe a pervert telling him to go fuck himself telling him that he's a loser telling him that she's gonna leave his niece and nephew who he has custody over home alone and she's gonna go back to her own place because she's over this she does not indeed do any of that she goes back to John's house where John's niece is sleeping and she falls asleep on the couch and wakes up at four and he's still not home she calls jen mccabe and she says hey john's not home jen mccabe tells her something along the lines of what are you talking about he never came to 34 fairview so karen naturally starts
freaking out calls john's childhood best friend who he also went to prom with kerry roberts and they go on like a little early morning search party through through a blizzard. This is blizzard conditions at this point.
It wasn't last night when they got to 34 Fairview, but it is this morning.
They start driving all over the place, and Carrie and Jen say, Karen's weird. As they're driving back to 34 Fairview, they say that Karen just starts screaming, I see him, I see him.
She's kicking at the door to get out.
She runs outside into the snow onto to the front lawn of Brian Albert's house and they just see a mound of snow.
They get out the car, they say they move the snow off, and there is John O 'Keefe laying in the snow.
Paramedics are called to the scene, police officers are called to the scene, and it becomes this whole ordeal of initially people thought, well people didn't really know what to think.
They just knew that a police officer was found deceased in front of the lawn of another Boston cop and it doesn't make any sense he's got some injuries to his head and his arms that don't make any sense it doesn't make sense how he ended up in the front lawn did he go in the house did he not go in the house that's the biggest debate when law enforcement officers they start interviewing witnesses that were inside the house they all say john o 'keefe never came in the house so that must mean that karen is the last person that knows what happened to john right was she saying no he went into the house
now who are we to believe in this situation you would think maybe it's numbers maybe it's all the people in the house there's a handful of them versus just karen right you would initially think that however everyone in this town is connected all these investigating officers here in this dark blue color they're all somehow friendly with the albert family the albert family is the most well -connected family in the little town of canton massachusetts his brother kevin albert is a Canton police detective.
His other brother, Chris Albert, is one of five Canton selectmen who oversee the entire Canton police department.
Then the state troopers.
So there's many different law enforcement agencies that get involved.
The state troopers, they're not Canton PD.
They're Massachusetts State Police, right?
However, they are all somehow connected to Julie Albert, who's chris albert's wife so they're all interwoven interconnected everybody went to high school with one another everybody's kids play on the same baseball team together everybody is friends with everybody except for karen karen is not friends with any of these people and all of these people have now decided that karen ran over john o 'keith in the front lawn of another boston cop's home drove home leaving angry voicemails and left her boyfriend of two years to die on the lot that is the theory but is that really what happened February 26
2022 so this is almost nearly exactly a month after John O 'Keefe has passed at this point Karen has been arrested released on bail so there's a lot developing but there is this picture taken of three guys at a bar and the only one that really matters is the guy in the middle and these these guys I don't even know if I can call them guys they look incredibly young they look like boys now the guy in the middle he's got a black baseball cap on backwards he's got both of his arms around his friends they look they look like fat boys and his right hand if you look at his right hand his right knuckles
are just bright red pink knuckles are pink knuckles are pink like it's injured yeah what how would your knuckles get pink like you punch something right and you gotta punch something thing very hard for them to stay pink right yeah now that guy in the middle is none other than 17 year old colin albert 17 17 son of chris albert and julie albert so this is the nephew of brian albert brian and chris are brothers uh -huh so this is the nephew of brian and nicole albert and netizens think that this 17 year old was the one that killed john o 'keefe that night and karen's attorneys seem to think so too
because defense attorney alan jackson he gets up on the podium and he starts asking colin on the stand because colin is called to testify by the government what happened to your knuckles in this picture colin is sitting on the witness stand he looks like a like a regular fraternity brother but he's dressed in a collared shirt with a sweater on top it's giving defendant but he's on the witness stand i was at a party a house party my my senior year and i remember it being icy outside and it was kind of like a steep hill of a driveway and i was walking up the driveway so he's walking up an icy driveway
and i slipped down the driveway i tried to catch myself but i had something in my left hand so i tried to brace myself with my right hand but i ended up landing straight on my knuckle so he's slipping on the the ice and he lands on his knuckle crazy story like this and your reaction is the reaction of everyone including alan jackson who says according to you you fell on ice and injured your knuckles as we just saw in the photograph just across the top of your knuckles correct so you fell onto what pavement asphalt yeah and you braced yourself when you felt your entire body weight by putting your
your right hand down in a fist and you injured your right fist, just the top of your knuckles on your right fist when you fell down.
Correct. At this point, Alan Jackson is known for being a pretty aggressive cross examiner during all of these trials because he will make a lot of comments that he's not allowed to make and the judge will keep having to strike his comments because at this point his story is so ridiculous Alan Jackson hits him with a seriously that's his question seriously you fell your entire body weight on your right fist and you just injured the top portion of your knuckles you didn't break a finger you didn't break a knuckle you didn't sprain your wrist nothing correct you ever been in a fight before the defense
shows yet yet another photo there is a picture of colin with his arm around another person and his knuckles are scratched up again and it's always just the right hand so it's not the left and the right it's just his right hand and that picture was apparently taken just a few days after john's death so there's a picture taken a few days after john's death where his knuckles are pink and then another one taken a month after where his knuckles are pink why are his knuckles injured and just on on his right hand.
Now, why is this relevant?
That's what everyone's trying to figure out.
Because initially, when everyone inside the house during this little blizzard party, January 29th, 2022, nobody mentions Colin being inside that house.
He is never mentioned not once by any of the party goers.
Well, actually one party goer, this one right here, Julie Nagel, friend of birthday boy brian albert jr julie nagle does mention to state trooper proctor that colin was in the house that night you know what state trooper proctor does he omits that from his initial reports so it seems like every single person involved does not want colin to be at the house that is crazy so how did we find out julie said that karen ends up hiring a private investigator and they start going door to door to try and see if there's absolutely anyone who saw or heard absolutely anything and this is when a local mentions
so his daughter allegedly dated colin albert at one point and she was talking about how he was there he was there at 34 fairview that night and so karen is like that's actually crazy because nobody puts him there at all ever and is that you know the private investigator is that information usable in court or is that just their own little i think it came out before the trial happened so eventually everyone was like oh yeah yeah he was there yeah yeah i see so when everyone testifies now they're like yeah he was there but he left exactly at 12 10 a .m which is before john o 'keefe even gets to the house
so there's a lot that people have to say about colin albert but it is confirmed he was there the night that john o 'keefe died so why is everyone leaving him out of the initial witness list like is that intentional and that also doesn't explain how in 2023 so this is a year after john's passing during a federal grand jury colin shows up he's forced to be there he's forced to testify and the person asking questions notices that his knuckles specifically his right hand knuckles are scraped up still so it seems like another injury just to his right hand now everybody's wondering how often does this little
kid get into fights and did he get into a fight with john the night that john died is he the one that everyone here all the mcalberts are trying to protect or are they trying to protect brian higgins was colin albert the only person that everyone's omitting or yes and there is an invisible car with brian higgins so there's a lot happening with these two and people have different theories some people think the mick alberts are protecting brian higgins some people think the mick alberts are protecting colin some people think it's a combination of both okay because there is a picture of colin with swollen
knuckles but there's also a picture of brian higgins stopping by the canton police department right after leaving the party he leaves 34 fairview road he's off duty he's drunk and he drives to canton police department he's an atf agent but he's got an office at the canton police department because his best friend is the chief of the canton police so middle of the night yeah he went into the office for what one in the morning he goes into the office he says he's going in there to move his cars but he spends quite a bit of time in the police station and on top of that there is some cctv footage
that is released and some people have zoomed in and they believe that his knuckles look a little swollen and red what okay there is this reality show it's a tv series called boston's finest it lasted two seasons it's about boston police officers now i'm just going to give you a quick recap of all the different law enforcement agencies investigating or and or involved in this so you've got boston police which is john o 'keefe was a boston police officer and then brian albert is part of boston pd he is the head of the fugitive unit where he was and then you've got the canton police this all happens
in the town of canton so they commute to work in boston but this is 30 minutes away in canton so the chief of police is kenneth and then a lot of these people in dark blue so sean good paul gallagher michael link these are all canton police officers as well as kevin albert and then you've got the massachusetts state police so you went from local town then you got big city of boston and then now you got the state of massachusetts you have these three state troopers tully buchanek and proctor proctor do you remember him from part one no nudes proctor exactly okay so these are the three and then
you've got a fourth agency the feds the fbi are investigating the investigation into john o 'keefe's death they're not even just investigating john o 'keefe's death they're investigating the investigation into his death because all these people are shady every single one here maybe not the people in the white backgrounds but all the dark blue wall of shame at this point and we're going to get more in depth in part three because the way that these people are connected is criminal and then the dark blue background are the ones that's currently working on the case and the light blues are the fish officers
that's not investigating the case but they are involved in the case right yes so the dark blue are investigating officers now this show is kind of like a documentary it's like a day in my life as a boston cop i mean with a lot more background music it's filmed really well and And featured on there consistently is Brian Albert, a much younger Brian Albert.
He is the owner of 34 Fairview.
Boston Cop had a fugitive unit.
In the show, he says a lot of really intense things.
Like he gives a lot of quippy one -liners.
Violent felons, they will do just about anything to get away.
Some are going to try to run.
Some are going to try to hide.
Sometimes it's diving out windows.
They're going to do whatever they can to avoid capture.
capture. Throughout season one, you see Brian Albert trying to lead his team and make sure they're not in trouble.
And he says about conducting search warrants in people's homes, it's one of the most dangerous things you can do is go into somebody else's house.
He says, the person you're looking for, that's their castle.
If they wanted to assault you, they know the places to hide.
Sometimes you take a deep breath, you stick your head in there and just hope that you don't hear a pop.
They explain that finding fugitives is very meticulous work.
I mean, you're looking for people that other cops couldn't find.
He says we're the unit that gets called when somebody's wanted for a serious crime, mostly violent crimes, and they're on the run.
That's our specialty.
That's the purpose of our unit and we do a pretty good job at it.
It's not easy, but there's a method to the madness and he gives a few tips throughout the show.
So in the show, Brian Albert states, the rule is simple.
You follow the love interest. interest brian higgins aka atf brian he's a federal agent he's a cop too so if we do a cop head count at this point there's a lot and not including the investigating ones you've got brian albert besties with brian higgins so they're just friends close friends yeah they're just close friends they're like drinking buddies okay and so you've got these two then you've got john o 'keefe Chris Albert, Kevin Albert.
There's a lot of cop connections.
This guy is a federal agent in the alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives.
It feels like nobody really knows what an ATF agent does.
Some say that they take down massive gun running organizations.
Others say they say they do that, but they don't actually do anything.
So they're basically a federal gang agency is what they say.
You can interpret that however you want.
Some people interpret that as they take down gangs because gangs are often you know they typically have violent firearms and other weapons in their possession or they're a gang of agents and they basically just shoot dogs.
There have been numerous incidents where pet dogs have been injured or shot and killed during ATF raids and do you remember Waco?
ATF had a 51 -day standoff with a cult in Waco, Texas and ultimately it ended with 70 people dying including children and some of the first shots fired by ATF were aimed at the pet dogs in the compound and it's becoming like this running joke in law enforcement communities apparently when the ATF comes hide your dogs.
Now ATF Brian is stationed in Canton but he's a federal agent he does not work for Canton PD he does not work for Boston PD or with the state troopers he is familiar with a lot of them though like he's friends with all these guys these are the people that he hangs out with because he lives in canton and he also knows john o 'keefe they've known each other for maybe a year i mean they've never really worked together but they run in the same circles they go to the same bars that's how they've met now i have no idea how friendship works in this small town because atf brian says that he wasn't that close
to john but exactly two weeks before john's death atf brian is over at john o 'keefe's house watching a patriots game there's even text messages from that night where john and atf brian are texting you know john is like was it really necessary to introduce hennessey xo atf brian is like was i really playing video games john says i blame karen please tell me i didn't break your nephew's video game if i did i will replace it did i throw a controller or some shit i don't think so which makes it sound like they had a good night just boys watching sports getting drunk breaking things but it's also the day
that atf brian hallie higgins and karen kiss behind john o 'keefe's back so exactly two weeks before john o 'keefe's passing they share a kiss inside john's house how did we find out about that he tells us in court oh yeah so january 12th 2022 this is like two weeks before right yeah like two and a half weeks before john o 'keefe's passing at around 8 27 pm he gets a text message brian Brian Higgins gets a text message from a random number.
The text reads, Hey, Brian, it's Weed Whacker.
He takes back question mark.
What do you mean Weed Whacker?
But ATF Brian is testifying.
I mean, I kind of knew who it was because that was my nickname for her.
Karen Reid. I mean, he says it's a funny story.
He was driving around in his work car.
So all the windows are tinted and he sees Karen outside using a Weed Whacker.
It's like a little machine that cuts the weeds and he honks at her and she flicks him off she has no clue who it is it's just like a random person honking at her so he drives back around he u -turns to be like oh wait hey karen i'm you know john's friend brian atf brian uh i didn't mean to like freak you out but she starts screaming at the car not knowing it's atf brian and she says get the fuck away from me my husband's a boston cop atf brian rolls the window all the way down and that's when she's like oh okay okay never mind you're john's friend i didn't know this was a while ago yes okay so that is why
she gets the funny nickname of weed whacker and she texts him hey brian it's weed whacker he responds question mark and i will say that every single text message in this thread is read out loud by brian higgins who has a very strong boston accent and it's just like the it's a very Very interesting combination of his very seriousness and his red face, but also the nature of the text messages are uncomfortable.
Very uncomfortable.
Because I don't know why they text like teenage kids.
He texts a picture of a Smirnoff screwdriver.
It's an alcoholic beverage.
And then capital Y -O, yo.
There's no response.
And the next day, ATF Brian texts Karen, did you try these Smirnoff screwdrivers?
I stopped at the hilly which is a local restaurant for one last night haha how did you get my digits Karen says Melissa haha I thought you creeped John's phone haha no way and she does a girl with the crossed arms emoji I was the last person in greater Canton who didn't have your number I think even Carrie has it side note not Carrie Roberts a different Carrie and he's like what I just don't give out my personal number to anyone how would Carrie have my number I don't know melissa had it eventually they start talking back about the nickname and she says you know i do prefer weed whacker he says
that's the thing about nicknames you don't have a say i know they need to happen organically i'm the queen of nicknames wait so they met i'm assuming months ago they met months ago at a bar through john o 'keefe so john o 'keefe and atf brian run in the same circles and john o 'keefe would introduce karen to all of his friends and so karen's not really part of this cop world it's through john o 'keefe that she meets all these people yeah yeah and one day he drove by beep beep they talked i'm assuming soon after karen text him and they sound flirtatious very flirtatious okay karen just changes the topic
abruptly we were tossing around the idea of a short vacay with another couple wanted to see if you were game vacation where i was just gonna run a beach house in fort lauderdale something quick and easy hmm i'm the queen of vacays too always a a good time he's like i'm going to nashville next month 19th to the 21st for a benefit one of our guys got shot in the head you guys should come it's just like a crazy text message to send later on january 13th karen sends a picture of a guy struggling to use a weed whacker and text atf brian you're not a creep and he says nope you're kind of a loner which i
used to be no not really Really?
I have tons of buddies, but I only let a handful of friends in that I'm tight with.
So you think you've got me all figured out?
Karen says, yeah, I said loner, not loser.
I assume you know a lot of people.
You can never really figure anyone out completely.
Your dad died when you were young?
Question mark, question mark.
He died in March of 2020.
I'm so not a loser.
You won't figure me out.
LOL. No one's a loser.
I just didn't mean loner to imply friendless.
I'm sorry that sounds recent it wasn't covet was it cancer I know you date girls who don't lock the house behind them and you're private and observant and then she says I'm sorry what kind so they're having like simultaneous conversations talking about his dad's passing but also talking about Brian's dating habits lung brain kidney pelvis how did you know all those things you're funny text messages are a lot yeah yikes wow that's rough jesus i'm sorry we chat a lot at the hillside don't be sorry life is hard sometimes i always figure it out who chats life is hard but losing people is the hardest
so i'm sorry we chat that's all you got we chat sure i mean you're from brockton spit it out you and i chatted about the girl who kept Kept forgetting to lock the door.
Oh, she's been out of play for like three months now.
And so they're like having this flirtation of talking about people that are, quote, out of rotation in ATF Brian's circle of girls.
Yeah. Yeah. And ATF Brian finally tells her that he got a Saturday invite from John O 'Keefe to come to John O 'Keefe's house that Saturday to watch the Patriots game.
Karen is like, did you say yes?
Not yet. What did you say?
Hey, Mr. Elusive. No, I don't want to intrude on your couples night.
Haha, I'm shy. We prefer to hang out with non -couples.
Bob Gallery is probably coming too, solo.
We'll probably play cards or something at one point.
So I'm inviting you.
Haha. Later, Karen texts him.
John said, quote, Brian's being wishy -washy.
Haha, did you tell him you texted me?
No. ATF Brian gives a thumbs up.
And this is when we head into very, um, I would say, okay so Karen is a little sensitive to the word affair because she's saying you know I'm not married John O 'Keefe's not married we're not married it's not really an affair and she also says that John O 'Keefe was allegedly flirting with other girls too so she feels like it's a it's affair is a strong word but we do get into like that emotional cheating territory where she says well don't be so anti -couple most couples don't even like each other he says name a few Name a few?
I don't know all of them.
But they all want to hang out with single people.
Later in the messages, it seems like this might be when he comes over for the Patriots game because ATF Brian texts Karen, foul ball.
She texts him, you stink.
He says, you suck and you're double trouble.
She responds, you're hot.
Are you serious or are you messing with me?
No, I'm serious. serious feeling is mutual is that bad so this is brian he's like i also feel like you're so hot is that bad because i'm friends with john o 'keefe how long have you thought about that and she's like are you okay driving you don't want to just stay here so karen is offering for brian to stay at john o 'keefe's house with them he's not drunk right yeah i'm fine i have an office at the police station you didn't answer the question she says i'd rather you stay here now atf brian testifies on the stand that as he's leaving john o 'keefe's house that night he says goodbye to john and john
might have gone to use the restroom or something he's not entirely sure but he says as we were walking out the defendant planted a kiss on me he's asked by the prosecution lally how did she kiss you not like a friend he says it was lip to lip like a romantic kiss atf brian says he was taken aback because it just was not something that he was expecting and later he texts karen I think you're messing with me.
Why do you think that because this is so out of left field?
What did these feelings come from I?
Just think you're like me Meaning, do you have your own kids?
I have no kids. How am I like you?
Hello Aren't we alike?
I think so. So why did you get my number and reach out to me shoot straight with me?
I told you I just think we're alike like yes agree I don't know shouldn't you know Brian admits that he's had a crush on Karen since the first time he met her and she responds with this is like the most lukewarm confession of a crush I don't know you're just my type you think you can handle me I thought you were happy how do you know if I'm happy I just assumed are you hard to handle what do you like about me and this is when karen has sent the now viral text message where brian says what do you like about me and karen reed responds wholeheartedly i just feel like you're from my neighborhood wait
what does that mean nobody knows it's like the most lukewarm confession of interest that the world has ever heard in a murder trial like usually you have like very passionate text message that the prosecutor is trying to bring up and it's just like i feel like you're from my neighborhood and people didn't know how to respond because the severity of the context that these text messages are being read in is very severe this is a murder trial but at the same time it's like it's very hard to wrap your mind around that these are the text messages that everybody has to treat very seriously because the energy
in the courtroom is also very um okay so like adam lally just didn't follow up much on that no she's just like why do i like you we're like from the same zip code bro like what do you want me to say that's the energy and he says ditto ditto ditto he says yeah ditto and she says I just think you're hot Brian Zal you really think that I have always thought that about you what your hot smart witty but I didn't think you were interested witty ya meaning quick with a response tell me why you got my number and reached out to me I just thought we were the same and from the same neighborhood are you afraid
to say what's on your mind this This whole text message exchange is very hard to listen to.
I think that the government thought it was going to have the same effect as Michael Proctor reading out his messages of no nudes so far and all of these things.
But I think the general energy of these two messaging each other, it's bad.
I do think it's bad because Karen is clearly having a relationship to some degree outside of her relationship with John O 'Keefe and she's accused of murdering John O 'Keefe.
So it is bad. It is serious.
however it feels almost juvenile when you see this ATF agent on the stand reading them out loud one by one and it also seems like both parties are into it even ATF Brian I mean this is his friend's girlfriend and he's just quote I will give you what you want how are you texting me right now are you leaving me hanging how am I texting is everyone asleep I'm just wide awake break on my phone yeah they're asleep i should have stayed lol so now what yeah you should have stayed but he's saying that would have been so distracting now what he keeps asking things like now what why'd you get my number
what do you see in me and karen is like now what what balls in your court what do you want loaded question what do you want i asked you nope you initiated this spit it out hey we're single and we don't have kids we can do whatever we want don't you have a boyfriend karen just completely changes the topic and she says i'm glad you came over tonight to watch the patriots game and she does like a shy blushing emoji and he says me too balls in your court what do you want karen you looked great tonight it almost seems like he's a little bit more excited about the situation than karen is karen seems
if anything a little non -committal i know know that she started the interactions but it i mean i don't know as a girl reading it it just sounds like she's not that into it but you tell me in the comments and she's like i looked great you're so full of it i think you're hot i've always thought that just never revealed my thoughts and karen says i'm hot for the hillside the area low comps knock it off you're hot period Are you glad you walked me out?
So he's now asking about the kiss they shared, and she's like, um, dot, dot, dot.
Yes, smiley face, are you?
And it's just the whole thing is uncomfortable, and he just keeps saying things like, feeling is mutual.
I never saw this coming.
Why? Because I just assumed you were happy with your situation.
I was, but things have deteriorated.
How so? It's very, very complicated.
go complicated so at this point if um quick reminder john o 'keefe has two siblings paul o 'keefe and christian now his sister passed away from cancer she left behind a daughter and a son and then a few months after her husband passed away so he took on his niece and nephew he took custody over them he's raising them as his own and karen is has been dating john o 'keefe for the past two years now and she says he and i dated when we were kids so prior to this they had actually dated oh when they were young yeah very briefly and then during the pandemic karen came back into town and he was sending
facebook messages to all of his ex -girlfriends and karen actually thought like whoa why are you messaging me when your whole facebook page is filled with you and children like you probably have a wife and then she reconnected with him found out that he had taken in his niece niece, and nephew.
And that's how they rekindled their whole relationship.
We're going to go into that in the next part, because there's a whole thing with how John O 'Keefe's family interacts with her the day that he passes away.
And she also gets admitted into the hospital.
She gets sectioned into the hospital, meaning they think that she's a danger to herself.
She says, it's very complicated.
He and I dated when we were kids, and then his sister died and everything got fucked up he seems very into you yeah but where is that i mean i've had all my shit here for a couple of years and my house has been vacant but i'd like to get closer to the water are you breaking up or are you staying here i don't know he hooked up with another girl on vacation i'm very close to his niece and it's all a very fucked up situation when was that and how did you find out he hooked up i don't want to complicate your situation we went away for new new year's the four of us so she's saying it was her john and the two
kids i put the kids to bed and found him in the lobby of our hotel all over one of our friends whatever it doesn't matter it does matter did they bang does that matter sorry i was just asking i was just trying to figure shit out it doesn't really matter okay i won't ask again i don't care it doesn't matter flatter okay hear you loud and clear karen uh okay why are you getting your thong all twisted up over simple questions she responds i'm not am i you're kind of getting defensive not at all eventually karen asks what brian higgins wants and he responds he wants the real deal to which she's kind
of cynical she says it doesn't exist sometimes it's a lot a lot why why?
He's like asking her a lot, why?
Because I went from being solo to trying to give attention to kids who aren't mine, and I never wanted kids.
I thought you were happy in this relationship.
Everybody is happy at the hillside.
Oh god, you avoid things.
It's just a very complicated dynamic with the four of us.
He isn't cut out for what he's doing, and the kids present constant issues.
choose I think he believes he's doing the right thing well of course he is but his heart isn't in it it's only because he was very very close with his sister I know kind of how you feel I was married so Brian was married previously and his ex -wife had brought in a child from a previous marriage and he said that he's been divorced since 2017 and he has no kids anymore because they got a divorce and she says I tried very hard but the kids are very spoiled they're not my my family my parents keep telling me I'd feel differently if they were mine or my own sisters you know then I told you he got sloppy
and drunk on New Year's Eve while we were away and that's really affected me what exactly did he do I never got married and now somehow I'm arguing with someone about raising kids eye rolling emoji why don't you just tell me he was a puddle all day and then he disappeared then I found him all over our friend's sister in the lobby of our hotel and And she's gross, which I think may actually be worse.
Not sure. Oh God. Did they bang?
I'm not sure. I was with the kids.
So I was with the kids celebrating New Year's without him, which shouldn't be my role.
But I doubt that they did it.
I mean, he was a mess.
Was it the first time with her?
Do you think there was others?
I don't really think there were others.
I'm with him all the time.
He never seems to want to go anywhere without me.
But honestly, the issues with the kids bother me more than him actually cheating.
they are constant and it feels like a lose -lose genuinely it's starting to feel like karen is just using him as a therapist and not actually interested in brian higgins at all and he even notices that you clearly have a lot of feelings swarming inside of you yeah it's very complicated sorry for the rant you can vent babe oh wait this is all from the night the same night yeah dang it's like in the span of nine days they go through all of this and she's like basically i I just feel like I spread myself too thin and sometimes it's thankless.
Now, I will say there might be some validity to her feelings.
I don't think that I'm not saying any of these messages are appropriate.
However, there were rumors in Canton and Jen had semi -confirmed it that everybody called Karen and this is so mean girl coded a glorified babysitter for John O 'Keefe.
Really? How did we find out Jen said that?
Jen was like, yeah, that's what Carrie said about her.
Carrie Roberts, John O 'Keefe's childhood best friend.
Got it. And so she's saying, I mean, you probably felt that way too when you were married.
I did. I mean, at times, but it was one kid, not two, thankfully.
Do you want to grab a drink?
So they start kind of planning to hang out at one point.
And there are suspicions.
Now, Karen has spoken out in a documentary about these text messages.
and she said it was bad she said first of all she has only ever met atf brian at bars in bar lighting okay she says it's very different from not bar lighting and on top of that yeah that's a crazy statement and on top of that she says she's not proud of it but she was just very emotionally insecure and i can see how that portrays in the text messages like i can see her like it doesn't feel disconnected from the text messages.
There are certain points where he's saying like, do you get angry when you don't get your way?
And she texts him, I rarely ever get my way.
So it seems like all of her messages are a little bit on the more depressing side.
However, this message, I think a lot of people, a lot of netizens feel that Karen was just trying to use Brian to get John to like her more or to chase after her more or want her more and is that something that we should be doing probably not but the message reads john has showed me about five times the ring video of me walking you out on saturday my voice and accent are killing me softly throwing up emoji wait john has show karen why what ring video of her walking brian higgins out of his house the day of the patriots game that's weird and he says um what yeah he has cameras everywhere you cops
rolling eye emoji like the kissing thing too he's freaking out he says jesus he and then karen says he's like christ are you guys hooking up oh my god great i don't need drama dude no it's fine seriously i'm serious you you legit planted one on me saying you literally kissed me and karen says i know where the cameras are anyway duh wait so she's implying the kiss is not on there yeah implying the kiss is not on there but i guess that they were appearing friendly right that john is saying something to her about it and the way that she's texting almost seems like that was the purpose right it's
kind of the vibe yeah yeah yeah like she's not bothered by it like hey by the way john was jealous about it she's not like keep it on the like keep it down low don't say anything think he's already on to us like she's not saying any of that it almost seems like he he it worked is the energy of the text and brian is feeling that too right you planned it on me like yeah he seems a little more startled than karen does and she says i know where all the cameras are and he's like so your slick move wasn't on there of course not oh my god i almost threw up it was just a peck anyway i kissed carrie and gay
jeff too yeah weak i agree he's saying the kiss was week lol funny so now he's jealous of me no i told you he likes you a lot which makes it worse you said or did something at the bar last week and he goes i like brian more and more he's a good dude too yeah he is funny what's your end game what do you want from me you will just confuse the shit out of yourself because i'm a lot of fun and so karen is just like what is happening right now they start texting about how they're maybe going to go out for drinks or go to each other's places for drinks karen even says i'm 42 i know what happens when you
invite someone over for a drink he calls her a master of avoidance and they have this little like back and forth non -stop so karen's saying that i know what happens if we go to your our houses and she's not saying yes to the house she does eventually go to atf brian's house and he says it was really uncomfortable and awkward like they just repeat the same conversations that they were having over text message and again this is why a lot of netizens feel like was it appropriate for karen to do this absolutely not was this a good thing to do no but it does indeed feel like she is not interested in brian higgins
like like the intention um not the intention what is it like is there a motive for example right for karen to let's say murder john o 'keefe for a another guy that's kind of yeah text message yeah so that's kind of how the prosecution is showing it like she's ready to move on she doesn't like john o 'keefe but when you actually read the text messages it's kind of it seems like she maybe likes john o 'keefe a little too much right right there's no passion There's no yeah, and maybe it's toxic.
I think that's a subjective word for a relationship Some people are like no, I would do the same thing.
Some people are like that is crazy It's toxic, but toxic doesn't mean you're a killer.
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Brian even asks, so he's cool with you dating other people?
I'm not happy per se, just realistic.
There's cracks. So she's saying in her relationship with John and it's far from perfect.
I doubt it. If he's seeing someone else, I wouldn't want to know either way.
He probably feels the same way and you probably feel that way about whoever you hook up with I think it's normal and all of this comes to a climax where she goes over to his house they share a drink and they have this same conversation and Brian says it was awkward and she just eventually leaves and it was just a weird vibe there's a few more messages exchanged where it appears that Karen is pretty fully checked out until he texts her at the the waterfall the night of right before they all go to 34 fairview brian higgins is at the waterfall bar he came with brian albert karen and john show up
and karen ignores him per the cctv footage per testimonies she doesn't go anywhere near him john says hi to brian higgins karen does not she does not want to talk to him she doesn't want to say hi to him whether it's she doesn't want to make John jealous now or whether she just is so over him it's unclear but he texts her um well dot dot she doesn't respond the next day around noon Karen texts Brian Higgins for the very last time January 29th 2022 around noon she texts two words John died dot dot dot Brian Higgins never responds wow initially netizens thought that this motive was for karen to
kill john o 'keefe but that doesn't make sense like what the prosecutors are saying so first of all she texts atf brian that she and she's talking to him about how she saw john kissing another girl on their new year's eve trip which more on that later but she says that he cheated on her so by a lot of people's accounts it seems like this text message is some sort of toxic revenge plan or an attempt to get john to you pay more attention to where other people also point out that the prosecution is saying that karen killed john in a crime of passion if you will they got into a fight in the car in front
of 34 fairview she ran him over it was a drunken fight however people are saying if she wanted to kill him it would have been on that new year's eve trip when she thought that he was hooking up with another girl that would have been the time for the crime of passion not in front of another other Boston police officer's house in the middle of the night out of nowhere and second netizens think that the prosecution just wants to paint Karen as being overly jealous thus pushing her to be homicidal but she doesn't seem she doesn't seem I mean she seems jealous she seems perhaps a little toxic but it
does seem like she never really bad mouths John ever it seems more so like the circumstances are rough and she's upset but it's never this like very vile like i hate this guy he can't fulfill me like there's nothing negative per se so while the prosecutors are trying to paint this as motive that karen has to want to kill john o 'keefe the defense are saying actually all these text messages do is prove that atf brian had motive because wouldn't he benefit the most if john o 'keefe is out of the picture january 23rd less than a week before john o 'keefe is found dead karen reed ghosts atf brian to
the point where he's just reaching out to try and get responses he's texting her things like stranger stranger not once but twice and this is kind of a side note but a lot of people also point out the fact that karen and john had previously dated they ended up breaking up and then reconnecting over the pandemic where they actually started seriously dating for two years that to a lot lot of people feels like karen is not the type to be like if i can't have you no one can because they had already previously broken up once before so it doesn't seem like she has this fixation on him that's like only
i can be with you or else so that's another thing that people have been pointing out but on top of that based off the text messages between karen and atf brian it seems that john knows that maybe karen and atf brian have a thing and a lot of netizens have theorized perhaps Perhaps John was lured to 34 Fairview, where Brian Higgins decides to confront him.
And he is backed up by his best friend, Boston cop, Brian Albert.
And that is how John ends up dead.
So whatever happens inside 34 Fairview, nobody thinks it's premeditated.
Nobody thinks this is like this masterful plan because these are cops.
They know that this is not a good plan.
am however maybe a fight breaks out a punch is thrown he ends up dying from a fatal wound and now these cops are like we got to do something that's the theory of people who buy into the conspiracy that the mcalberts had something to do with it now a big point of contention in this case is john o 'keefe's injuries do not make sense with the prosecution theory karen reversing into John O 'Keefe, him getting hit by her passenger side taillight.
So right side taillight.
He spins backwards, hits his head on the semi -frozen ground because it's about to snow, incapacitating him, leaving him dead in the snow.
That's what the prosecutors are alleging Karen did.
In the next episode, we actually go into the accident reconstructionist, which you would think in a a trial that's like the boring part that's the part that nobody really cares about um there is so much unhinged drama between these accident reconstructionists the prosecutors the government the commonwealth they hire a bunch of accident reconstructionists the defense actually uses the accident reconstructionists that were hired by the fbi and they go head to head there is so so much drama of some of these people lying on their resumes some of these people not even understanding their own data of the accident
reconstruction doing experiments that make zero sense one of the guys is like yeah i tested it by using a freezer i put the phone in the freezer but like do you know what freezer temperature it was no you don't think that's like the basic thing of like knowing the temperature if you're going to stick it into a freezer and see how it responds to being stuck in a freezer he's like well i didn't think it mattered.
I mean these people are absolutely ridiculous.
It's like every single person I don't know what is happening in this town but the injuries themselves they don't make sense with a car accident.
Netizens think it lines up more with someone who's been in a fight.
Dr. Scordibello is the medical examiner.
She is the one that performs John O 'Keefe's autopsy and now she is on the stand to tell everyone her findings.
Now side note while autopsy photos are shown Paul Paul O 'Keefe, John's brother, is seated.
And like I said, this is a very small courtroom.
Seated. I mean, I'm not in the courtroom, but it just appears like...
A few feet, right? Yeah, and he's just staring down Karen the whole time.
Dr. Squirtybello notes that John O 'Keefe has a small cut to his right upper eyelid.
Abrasions on his nose, bleeding and swelling of both of his eyelids and eyes.
He has these weird cuts on his arms. They look...
I saw the photo. It's like throughout his whole arm.
Yes, and they're all almost linear.
Yeah. So it's not jagged everywhere.
It looks like if you were to get, and I'm going to try to use an analogy that it's not applicable to this case.
If you were to get, you know, those leaf rakers and then you were to just slice someone's arm because there's so many up and down his arm.
Yeah, it kind of looks like that.
he just has these weird lacerations on his arm and a few bruises on the back of his right hand as well as a small scratch and vague bruises on his left hand now side note bleeding under the eyelids usually is an indicator of something really bad they're called raccoon eyes and Dr. Skortibello says bleeding around the eyes could signify that there's a much larger injury inside the skull and it's not just bleeding of the eyes which is exactly the case here ultimately the The cause of death for John is a giant laceration on the back of his head.
That is consistent with blunt force trauma, a .k .a.
hitting your head against a blunt object.
It could be a microphone.
It could be a dumbbell.
It could be a stick.
It could be the ground.
It's just something that's not sharp.
It's not a stab. It's blunt force trauma.
It could be the edge of a table.
Dr. Squirty Bellows states that the injury to his head would not have instantly killed him, but it would have likely incapacitated him.
It caused a fatal skull fracture.
He had hemorrhaging bleeding in the brain.
And if he's out in the snow, then the hit to the back of the head incapacitates him.
I mean, that's a cause for hypothermia.
So she believes the laceration to the back of the head and hypothermia is the combination that caused his death.
In comparing the blunt force trauma versus the hypothermia, Dr. Scordibello says, I do believe the blunt force trauma injuries were sustained first. these are not injuries that are immediately lethal this is not something that would cause death in seconds and therefore mr o 'keefe may have been incapacitated by the injuries or knocked out if you will and was not able to get himself into warmer environments and therefore hypothermia set so in my opinion i believe the impact the injury to the head came first mr o 'keefe was likely incapacitated or unable to move into a warmer environment and then
the hypothermia set in So she's assuming that he got injured outside the house.
Well, no, because it's vague.
If that trauma comes first, then yeah, I mean, he could be injured outside the house.
But a lot of people say it's vague enough that he could have been injured anywhere and then taken somewhere where it's cold and he can't get up and move.
Got it. Now, Prosecutor Lally asks Dr. Skortybello, what if any opinion can you give or can you say in regard to the type of force or amount of force necessary to cause the fracture to the skull that you observed with regard to mr o 'keefe can i say something about mr lally this man asks the most convoluted questions i've ever heard spoken in court it's just kind of ridiculous i don't understand any of these questions he makes every single question so complicated for no reason she responds i can't really give you a number i'm not a physicist i can tell you that the skull is a pretty thick bone it
takes a considerable amount of force to fracture the skull so that was a pretty considerable impact prosecutor lally wants the jurors to know considerable impact you know like a car reversing at 24 miles per hour but that's where everything stops making sense wait so he said that Car reversing at 24 miles an hour or he's implying.
Yes, he keeps implying it.
Why 24 miles per hour?
That will come in the next episode, but it's the data pulled from Karen's Lexus.
Okay. They claim. Right.
Now, John's lower extremities.
So his neck down pretty much does not have a lot of injuries from his neck down.
There's barely anything.
Usually, if you're hit by a car, the lower extremities are highly susceptible to injury.
You'll notice a lot of pelvic bone injuries when pedestrians are hit with bigger cars like SUVs you'll notice knee injuries femur the tibia the fibula I mean John has none of those he does have fractures near the ribs his ribs are fractured but those are very common locations for CPR associated fractures so she's saying those rib fractures she believes it's resuscitation efforts she does not believe it was anything that caused his death or was at the time of impact impact of anything the bruises on his knuckles would not be dissimilar to the ones found on colin they look like fighting bruises
like defensive wounds and the emmy testifies it could be it could also be medical intervention so one bruise on his right hand there's this little prick at the center of the bruising so it could have been them trying to attempt to get an iv in there that can cause bruising when they're being a little bit more forceful because your life is at at stake but some people are saying you could have gotten the bruise from a fight they could have done it and bruised it more it's not just exclusive to one or the other it could have been both so everything even the medical report is just up to debate now
she does say that she did not see any major signs of a significant altercation taking place the bruising on the hands were faint and one of them had a pinpoint mark that could suggest it was the iv but also a lot of people people that are in very intense fights, they'll break their knuckles.
She didn't see any broken bones in the hands of John O 'Keefe or any broken nails, which are very typical.
However, a lot of netizens argue if he sustained an injury that would have incapacitated him pretty quick on, that doesn't mean that he was in this prolonged 10 -minute fight.
The prosecution asks her, the injuries that you observed to the back of Mr. O 'Keefe's head skull skull fracture would that be consistent with a fall to the ground it could be would that be consistent with being projected by an object saying a pedestrian collision and then striking your head on the ground also what kind of question is that just ask would that be consistent with a pedestrian hitting their head on the ground after being hit by a car but instead he says would that be consistent with being projected by an object say a pedestrian collision and then striking your head on the ground it's
possible and the injuries that you observed would that be consistent with injuries that you observed in other cases of a pedestrian collision.
They're not the classic pedestrian injuries that we've observed.
No. Defense attorney Elizabeth Little does the cross and she asks if these injuries could also have been caused by, let's say, a dumbbell.
You know, the Alberts, they love working out.
They've got a home gym in their basement.
Could it have been a dumbbell?
Could be. She's also asking one by one, you know, it's very interesting.
So there were no injuries to his shoulders no chest area aside from the resuscitation attempts no no injuries to the torso to his back hips pelvis thighs knees just feet ankles none none so from the neck down he did not have a single broken bone again aside from those cpr related injuries correct that's correct not a single fracture correct would you agree that jana keeps injuries or or lack thereof, are inconsistent with having been struck by a vehicle at 24 miles per hour.
I would say it's likely and unlikely at the same time, depending on the position of the body and the vehicle in question.
Would you agree that his injuries to his face are consistent with having been punched?
That is a possibility.
Your external examination notes also cite a tongue laceration on the right front of the victim's tongue.
You'd agree that a tongue laceration can also be caused by blunt force trauma?
Correct. and that could include something like a punch to the victim's face or jaw that's a possibility the laceration to the back of john's head had scratches to which defense attorney little asks would you agree that someone could certainly get scratched on the back of their head if for instance they were dragged on the ground it is possible so she's saying anything's possible basically yeah right now dr squirty bellow testifies that the injury to the back of his head, the fatal wound could have been a result of falling back onto concrete, onto grass.
It could have been a result of being struck with a large object such as a baseball bat or a barbell or hitting your head against the table.
I mean, the world is the oyster.
Like anything is possible at this point.
But Elizabeth Little continues, and you'd agree that bruising to the back of hands is also consistent with defensive wounds.
Yes, that is correct.
In your expert medical opinion, is it possible for someone to get punched in the face hard enough to lose consciousness and fall backwards it is possible now there are five classifications for manner of death on an autopsy one natural two accidental so the fatal outcome is not intentional drug overdoses elderly falls motor vehicle accidents three homicide four self -exit and five undetermined now this is very different from the cause of death which would include more injury or impact focus facts for for example, John O 'Keefe's official cause of death on his certificate list is blunt impact injuries
of head and hypothermia, but the manner of death is listed could not be determined.
It's not homicide, even though we are in the middle of a homicide trial.
Now she says, I am responsible for what goes on the death certificate, and unless I have enough information, clear and convincing evidence, I cannot determine a manner.
The ME states that they don't necessarily think that the injuries indicate or are consistent with John getting hit by a car, particularly the blunt force trauma to the back of the head, could be consistent with pretty much anything.
Now, the defense argues that this is very interesting because Dr. Squirty Bello actually receives a lot of information from the state troopers.
The state troopers give her a lot of background information that can help her narrow down her medical findings.
They don't influence her she says they never tried to and she would never accept it if they did which makes sense because i think if they did influence her she would have put it down as homicide or something but she says no they gave me this information i mean they told her that karen said i hit him i hit him and they were talking about hitting him with the car and she still ruled it could not be determined so the defense is asking you had all that information you still were unable to conclude the manner of death for Mr. O 'Keefe correct?
Correct. Netizens argue it just doesn't make sense with the sentiment being if you really wanted I mean sure you could try to argue that he was hit by the car somehow and there are these odd once in a blue moon instances where maybe the injuries are just not how they seem.
Another thing a lot of netizens have been pointing out is that you see a lot of drunk driving statistics where the drunk driver themselves always come out alive whereas the sober people who are following the laws they end up passing and i think per instance it's different but there have been anecdotal evidence and maybe there's scientific evidence out there if you guys can inform me on that but when you are drunk your limbs are a lot more they're not as stiff and so your body takes the impact typically a tiny bit better and so people are saying if he were to be hit and he was that drunk it doesn't
make sense typically drunk people are a little more jello -y he might have fallen but this feels almost like he became stiff as a board and like twisted and just banged his head down instead of being a little more jello -y which is like you would fall into your bottom first or something of that sort but again that i don't know how scientific that is it seems a lot more anecdotal but people are like maybe we can believe that however what are the injuries to his arms it doesn't make sense now the prosecutors cuters they're going to argue and we're going to get more into this in the next part that when karen
hit him with the back of her car her tail light shatters and then she almost drags him by the arm with her cracked tail light and then he spins around does like a pirouette they literally use that word like a ballet spin and then hits his head on the frozen ground and passes away way.
That's what they're trying to say.
Dr. Scordibello says about those arms, we have this collection of linear abrasions that measured up to seven centimeters and extended from the upper arm down to the middle of the forearm.
I mean, the arm has no broken bones, no fractures, just these lacerations.
She states, I do not know how they came to be.
Now, defense attorney Little asks her could they have been from a german shepherd's claws chloe claws possibly yes so this is why chloe is going to be very important later now some people are very split now this i think at this point with the injuries a lot of people believe that john o 'keefe was killed inside the house that's just the conspiracy out there a lot of people just don't feasibly understand how how these injuries came from the impact of a car.
It just doesn't make sense to them.
And I think it's not just this.
It's the way everybody testifies.
All these like negative, weird associations with the no nudes yet.
These random butt dials we're going to get into.
Everybody's kind of suspicious.
And then the injuries are not consistent.
It's weird. Now, some people are split on who killed John O 'Keefe inside the house.
And again, these are conspiracies.
Some believe that it was Brian Higgins.
others say it was colin but regardless many netizens believe he went inside the house and he was killed inside the basement and we're gonna get into all of the pictures of the basement because the alberts decide that they're suddenly gonna renovate the basement and then put their house that they have lived in for generations this house was owned by brian albert's parents prior to this uh -huh and they're gonna put it on the market and sell it no freaking way when like months after that is so shady before the first trial and the new owners the new owners are gonna let karen reed's defense team into
the house fascinating that is crazy yeah now a lot of people think that john o 'keefe was killed in the basement he was dragged out through the basement doors that lead open to the backyard and then there's a side fence that leads straight to the front lawn flagpole where his body was found.
They believe that he was semi -dragged or perhaps he was put inside a ford edge and then put on the side of the road.
We're gonna get to that in the next one.
But they're saying that this all adds up because around 12 18 a .m, John's phone shows that he unlocked his face ID and he is on the messages his app for about 11 seconds then he calls jen mccabe so we can assume that at 12 18 a .m karen and john are driving to 34 fairview that call lasts 36 seconds it's likely that he's asking for clarifying directions to 34 fairview that call ends and at 12 20 john unlocks his phone again and starts using ways the map app then two minutes after that at around 12 22 john gets a message from brian higgins that just reads you come in here question mark question mark
question mark. Then around 1229, Jen calls John and that call lasts around 51 seconds.
1231, Jen texts John, pull behind me.
Now John's phone is locked for the very last time at 1233 a .m. And then Karen starts calling John O 'Keefe at 1233 a .m. 1234, 1234, 1235, 1235, 1236, 1237.
All those calls go unanswered.
That is when at 1238, Karen starts leaving her series of rather angry voicemails.
Then at 12 .40, Jen texts John, Hello?
This is the first message that goes unread.
The calls from Karen go unanswered.
So from 12 .33, John stops responding to any phone calls, any messages.
So his phone stopped at 12 .33?
Yes. Stop interaction.
Now at 12 .42, another message pops up.
Where are you? Then at 1 .02, another message from Karen that reads, Your kids are fucking alone.
and then another one at 104 from Karen to John I'm back in Mansfield which is where her house is stating that she left John's niece alone at the house which is not true she's actually at John's house on the couch waiting for him to get home now here's where it gets interesting from John's Apple health data it shows that at 12 30 a .m the phone takes 36 steps which would be around 84 feet measurements from the flagpole to the front door are 74 feet now flagpole to the street probably adds a few more feet it seems like the right amount to get into the house and then his apple health data shows him
going up and down stairs to the basement how many feet three stairs three flights of stairs okay now according to the prosecution expert they state that john's phone after leaving karen's car never leaves the area of the flagpole they say that it drops down onto the ground and we're gonna get into this whole like phone battery temperature in the next one in the next episode but there are theories online that John made it into the house and was killed in the basement and that perhaps Chloe the German shepherd that's not great with strangers attacks John's arm because a fight has broken out probably
maybe conspiracy with her loved ones people that she loves and a stranger and she jumps into the fight allegedly and there is a bigger physical altercation she causes those lacerations and that is the theory but when they run the dna on john's shirt there is no dog dna only pig dna what where the hell are they getting pig dna before i give you a full rundown of the full statements of everyone in the house i have to do a quick rundown of the theories that are circulating on the internet so you can decide whether if any of these theories make any sense at all and if so which one makes the most sense
so first theory is an insane theory i'm going to tell you that straight up it's a house full of swingers the theories come from speculations and rumors from locals alleged locals that jen mccabe and brian albert so jen mccabe is sisters with nicole nicole is married to brian that jen mccabe and brian albert were having an affair and that brian albert and Nicole Albert were swingers.
That the McAlberts, they're swingers in this town.
That's what they're saying.
Now, the most interesting part of this theory that netizens grasp onto that makes the most sense is Karen asked John, when they get to 34th Avenue, can you go inside and make sure we're welcome?
Which is kind of a weird thing to ask.
Some netizens will interpret this differently as, ooh, Karen got bad vibes from these people from the get -go.
Like, she doesn't know if they they like John or not.
That's some interpretation.
Others say, you don't think that's strange?
Why would she ask him to go inside to make sure that they're welcome?
Well, the theory is that Karen and John kind of knew that the Alberts were a swinging house.
She didn't want to be a swinger.
So she asks John to go in there and make sure that they're not swinging because she doesn't want to go in and like do that.
That's not what she wants to do.
Now he goes inside and he doesn't come back out and he doesn't pick up her calls and so she starts leaving these very angry voicemails because she believes he's in there doing some swinger stuff doing stuff that he shouldn't be doing because why else i mean these conspiracy theorists are wondering why else would she call him at 1 a .m calling him a pervert because it's a very specific thing some people were trying to think oh maybe she thought he walked two doors down to bella's mom's house because he was dating relating bella's mom at one point but that's not a pervert that's a cheater that's
someone that's messed up that's not a pervert a pervert is so specific so this theory is kind of built upon the text pervert the angry voicemails of pervert the weirdness of like why would she send him in there to go to see if they're welcome and also a lot of locals have come out anonymously online so take it with a grain of salt we can't confirm any of this that these people are swingers okay but isn't like the are the kids at home too brian auber jr yes but she didn't karen didn't know that okay so karen's like go in and make sure they're not swinging right now the theory though is how did
the death occur then because he would walk in they're not swinging what then the theory is that John walks in and Brian Higgins is demanding he go get Karen or maybe he's inciting John he's drunk he's like hey guess what Karen texted me and Brian Albert's egging it on they're having this little moment of like haha John O 'Keefe a fight breaks out one punch and John ends up dead they start panicking Karen thinks he's in there doing sexual things she drives off she's pissed off she's leaving voicemails and there are plans now put into place of what they should do which why don't they just report
it then right i mean it's clearly not a premeditated intentional killing they know that someone's going to get jail time these are all cops i don't think they're going to have a good time in jail and two netizens believe that this group is very image oriented they don't want the whole town to know that this is a swingers gone wrong party which is a crazy way to phrase things but that is theory number one swingers theory two the bryans brian albert and his bestie brian higgins are ready for a fight they had just driven down from new york together and atf brian is telling brian albert about his text
message flirting with karen brian albert is riling him up he's like you need to confront john about what his woman is doing like that's the way that this man talks okay just i watched boston's finest okay um and this guy likes to call everybody females so that's the vibe it gives and he's saying you gotta man a man say something to him these are all fictional in our minds conversations we don't know if any of this is true and he's like end this once and for all which is why brian is texting john asking if he's coming john walks in a confrontation ensues between brian higgins and john o 'keefe where again john
ends up with a fatal head injury and now everyone's freaking out theory number three colin albert bloody knuckles colin 17 year old high schooler very arrogant little weasel i mean propensity for getting into fistfights he gets into an altercation probably over nothing with john o 'keith punches him causing the fatal head injury everyone now plays cleanup the reason why why would that happen like you say they previously have bad relationship right yes so that is one theory we're gonna get more into that in the next one because they're all they've got some weird relationships with john o 'keefe as
well his parents do because they were all neighbors for a very long time they live two houses down now colin albert just a weird kid he was pissing john off according to karen leaving beer bottles in his front lawn he was the one person that john o 'keefe had problems with and colin albert just Just seems to be very entitled.
He gives me Nepo Baby vibes.
Although I don't know how wealthy the McAlberts are.
But Chris runs the town.
Exactly. That's the energy that he has.
I also feel like he's the type to bully smaller ranking cops.
Because he's got the big boy cops on his side.
And I think that he seems to.
He strikes me as the type to think that that would be cool.
But what do I know?
I don't know this guy.
Some people think that he started a fight over the beer cans.
Other people think maybe it's a mixture.
Perhaps John walks in and Chloe has a moment where she freaks out.
She sees John, a stranger, and just attacks out of nowhere.
And John is doing everything he can to get Chloe off of him because would you not do the same thing as well?
And Colin sees this and he's mad.
Why? I don't know if he particularly is a dog lover or an animal lover, But I think that he is maybe someone that looks for an opportunity to fight based off of his multiple instances of injured knuckles.
And he decides that he's going to punch John, use this as an excuse to punch him to get him to stop.
But that punch ends up being fatal.
So that is theory three.
Colin, unpredictable, bloody knuckles.
Now there is another theory involving Colin But it's involving Colin and almost this entire wall of people Now this theory is going to make more sense in the next episode But it is believed that Colin was engaged in some nefarious after school activities That's the rumor These are all speculations These are conspiracies that Colin is selling drugs There are depths to this theory Some people think that it's just Colin selling drugs to high school kids Others think it's a whole enterprise price they think so chris and julie albert they own a pizza shop okay and everyone says the food is really bad
and they say i don't know how they stay in business and people say maybe because they're not selling food and it would be very easy theoretically for kevin albert brian albert to get access to confiscated drugs and maybe it is being resold now why is this a theory because right before John O 'Keefe's passing he reports to his superiors that he knew of some drug activity in his neighborhood in Canton.
It's actually going to get a lot darker because do you know who invited John O 'Keefe to the Waterfall Bar that night?
Chris Albert. Prior to this they were neighbors for many years.
Oh they hate each other right?
right chris albert didn't even have john o 'keefe's number for a very long time suddenly he invites him to the waterfall that is weird that is a very lengthy theory that we're going to go into the next part but the theory is they decide they're going to bring him to 34 fairview that's why brian higgins is like hey john are you coming and basically they're just going to try to get into a fight to shut him up a lot of people have reported online again rumors that brian albert is is a bully cop, he's the type of cop that will beat you up, he's not the type of cop that's like, I will only arrest you
and be kind to you because you are still a human with rights and you are innocent until proven guilty, they say, just based off vibes and what people say that they know of him, he's the one to turn off his body cam, allegedly, this is a conspiracy, this is the vibe, this is the picture that I'm drawing you, the vision, but it's not actual deeds that he is accused of doing or has have been proven to have done but people say he's the type of cop to turn off his body cam and beat you up and then turn it back on so they decide john's gonna come over and we're just going to tussle him up so he knows
not to mess with it not to talk about it not to investigate further because it's none of your business and that is theory number four so with with those four main theories in mind, let's see what everyone in the house has to say about that night.
Brian Higgins says on the 28th, so this is the day of the Blizzard party before midnight, the day before John is found deceased, ATF Brian and Brian Alpert go to New York City to attend the funeral of an officer who was killed in the line of duty.
Now, the original plan was for everybody to stay in New York for a while to pay their respects, but because the Blizzard is is expected to hit atf brian is like i am not going to get stuck in new york city i'm going to drive down to canton today friday night brian albert and kevin albert canton police officer detective brother brian albert they're both in new york and they ask atf brian we flew here can we catch a ride with you because we also don't want to be stuck in new york so they drive back they grab dinner together this drive is like four hours by the way and that is why a lot of people
like you're telling me atf brian you didn't tell brian albert about your text messages with karen and they don't give me i mean you know based off of everything we've seen about these two men they seem like the type to share all these types of things with each other it seems like they've been talking a lot of stuff yeah now they all drive back down grab dinner together where atf brian has a few drinks with his favorite jameson and ginger and eventually they end up at the the waterfall bar.
Now to be very precise, ATF Brian initially just went to the hillside for dinner with Brian Albert.
Brian Albert is like, I'm gonna go meet my wife, Nicole, at the waterfall bar.
I think our daughter Caitlin is also there.
So bye. ATF Brian is like, okay, bye.
And then last minute, he decides, you know what, I'm gonna go to the waterfall bar for no apparent specific specific reason he walks in and then karen and john o 'keefe walk in and obviously it's gonna be presumably awkward john doesn't know that they've been texting he has a little inkling that something is weird but karen and atf brian likely well karen likely doesn't want anything to go further atf brian says when the couple walk into the waterfall he has a brief conversation with john and he doesn't recall what they spoke about and he doesn't have any sort of conversation with karen but he
does discreetly text her um well which he says was a flirtatious text karen again does not respond and everybody starts packing it up starts leaving the bar to go to 34 fairview suddenly atf brian drops texting karen he's like i'm no longer texting karen i'm gonna text john o 'keefe instead and he says where are you are you coming here question mark question mark question mark it just feels like for whatever reason he wants john o 'keefe there some people say he wants john o 'keefe there because karen by default will come some people say he wants john o 'keefe there because the last this is like the last
straw for him karen finally ghosted him again to his face and now he's going to confront john about it and he's going to be like you know what's been happening i see okay it's been interpreted both ways atf brian gets no response from john o 'keefe from that message and he testifies that John and Karen were absolutely not inside the house at any point.
He says, after I left the waterfall, I never saw the defendant or John O 'Keefe ever again.
During cross -examination, the defense attorney, Alan Jackson, he starts asking ATF Brian about that kiss and he's like, it wasn't some passionate long kiss, right?
ATF Brian is like, I wouldn't describe it as a peck i would describe it as more more than friends it was a kiss well you did describe it as a peck didn't you when when you texted karen and she said it was just a peck and you texted back i agree it was weak he said it was a figure of speech or the truth right figure of speech the defense is trying to argue karen really is just not that into atf brian i mean it's pretty clear from the messages that she's emotionally upset over the rough parts of her relationship with John.
She's likely using ATF Brian to make John jealous.
If anything, that gives ATF Brian a bigger motive to want John gone than it does Karen.
Attorney Jackson asks him, you were very interested in her romantically at that point, correct?
I was attracted to her.
I don't know that I would say very interested in her.
You were showing romantic interest in her.
I wouldn't say it was romantic.
I was trying to vet it out.
My question is, you seem to have a problem admitting that you had a romantic interest in my client is there a reason for that I was attracted to her right physically attracted I thought she was an attractive woman romantically attracted I'm not gonna go there no I don't agree with that of course you're not gonna go there because that would put you in a very awkward position wouldn't it not at all but Alan Jackson is like you were telling her that you want the real deal the real deal that you would be able to get to date her and get involved romantically, correct?
No. The real deal is what then?
What do you mean by I want the real deal?
Like a relationship.
Like a romantic relationship, Mr. Higgins?
It's possible. They also point out that at no point, even when talking about John potentially cheating on her, did Karen show any sort of anger, resentment, or hatred towards John O 'Keefe, which ATF Brian agrees.
But maybe ATF Brian starts feeling some type of way because at the waterfall he just keeps getting ignored and so she basically ignored you the evening no that's not how i interpreted it so how did you interpret it so she paid you attention and came over and said hello shook your hand give you a hug which is because somebody doesn't come over doesn't mean they ignored you it was like you didn't even exist i think that's dramatic I didn't look at it that way did she ignore you or not no she did not ignore me she was working the room talking to people saying hello catching up and the one person she
didn't come over to talk to and say hello to and catch up with you is you I don't know that I was the only person but I was one of the people that she didn't say hello to yes treated you like a stranger I didn't feel that way no did that upset you that she ignored you or didn't pay attention to you I did not feel ignored and it didn't upset me at all but it bothered you enough to send her text message during it no it was a flirty text it was just um that was it oh okay so um with six m's and she ignored the correct well i don't know what her mindset was if she was purposely ignoring the text or she
didn't see it i don't know i didn't read into it i feel like a teenager boy could figure this one out and i feel like he's yeah the rejection is very clear like what are you saying we all know no, you're ignored and you're kind of bugger about it.
This one, a few of these people on this wall, I feel like their egos and their true colors, like this man, Alan Jackson, does know how to poke them.
Very specifically. I see.
Like he gets people angry on the stand.
That is how a lot of reporters have talked about him even before this case.
They say he's very adversarial.
at 2 20 a .m after you left the waterfall you made your way over to 34 fairview you were more interested in getting john to come to 34 fairview than karen no that's not how i would describe it the defense insinuates that atf brian had told brian albert about everything that's been happening with karen and he's going to confront john that night and atf brian is like to be honest with you i mean on a personal level i kind of keep things to myself i was a little embarrassed i wasn't really proud of them kind of maybe didn't show me in a good light with respects that i was john's friend so he's saying
i never told brian albert a single thing he says that the text messages with karen i mean i'm not proud of these text messages it is what it is i take responsibility for them but john was a friend at the same time and i clearly wasn't you know if they were at the end of their relationship they were at the end of their relationship atf brian says he stops by inside the house never sees john but there's this very strange moment in court attorney jackson brings up the fact that at a previous proceeding insinuating to be a federal proceeding these people these people are much more honest with federal
interviews the fbi comes knocking on their door suddenly a little more honest suddenly they can remember a little bit more but anything to do with the commonwealth grand jury hearing the first trial the second trial interviews they They just talk out of their butts in ways that I'm like, logically, it doesn't even make sense.
But with the feds, I think they know.
So the feds and you have only Alan Jackson has that information and he will bring it up during this trial.
The Commonwealth has that information, but it's they don't want to bring it up.
So Alan Jackson is impeaching them with this information.
So he's bringing it up during cross -examination.
And he says, didn't you at a previous proceeding?
eating, you stated that you saw a tall, dark -haired male enter the Albert house that night.
I believe that was in reference to somebody's brother picking them up.
I don't know. I'm asking you, Mr. Higgins, is did you say that?
Did you say a tall, dark -haired male entered the house while you were there?
I said they might have. Did you say they might have?
Yes. Attorney Jackson reads him the previous statement which Higgins is asked, the male showed up where?
You answered, showed up at the house i think he was there very briefly i was half paying attention to it you were then asked did that male come inside the house you answered i believe he did do you remember that yes so did the male come into the house that night no i said i believe he did i wasn't sure you said that you only remember seeing that person come in briefly and it looked like he was having a conversation with two girls briefly correct yes you were asked how long was the person in there roughly.
And you said it was quick, less than a couple of minutes.
And then you were asked what he looked like.
And you said, I feel like they were a little bit taller and had dark hair.
Now, side note, there are two ways this has been interpreted.
This tall, dark haired male could fit John O 'Keefe's description.
But other than that, there's no name.
There's nothing. But Higgins knows what John O 'Keefe looks like.
Why would he say it like this?
Because Higgins is a federal agent.
Maybe he knows what happens when you lie to the feds about something really bad.
Perhaps Perhaps he's using this as a seed to plant an out for him to say, well, I didn't really look fully.
I was drunk. I wasn't paying attention.
I did tell you. Remember, I told you that I might have seen someone come into the house.
I clearly didn't think it was John because I was so drunk.
I was out of it. But I told you I remembered someone coming in.
So I'm not lying to you.
Others think, no, he's covering his ass because Colin, Colin, every single person testifies that Colin leaves before Karen's car even shows up anywhere.
Colin leaves before half the senior adults get here.
He leaves right when Brian Albert walks in through the door and he's the first person to get there.
So there's no way Colin and John O 'Keefe, Karen Reed overlap.
But maybe Brian Higgins is like, I know that's not true and I can't lie to the feds.
and so this is his way of saying well colin colin was there colin was there later than everyone is saying he was there because technically colin and brian higgins should not have crossed paths he should have left the house before brian higgins even got there correct is that is that the only people who fits a description like there's no No other tall black hair.
Really? I mean, those are the only two that fit the description in a way that would make sense.
So these are what the netizens are theorizing.
Oh, okay. Now, this could be him covering for himself to say, well, I didn't see John O 'Keefe there, but I guess I saw him.
I was just drunk. Or to not perjure himself on the stand and say that, oh, I didn't see Colin.
He left before I got there.
So exactly how many people was in the house?
when everybody is at the waterfall when everyone's at the waterfall okay you've got birthday brian brian albert jr i have these little house post -its okay because i know i was like i like it these are gonna come in handy love it brian albert jr uh -huh his friend julie his other friend sarah levinson okay these three are in the house there There were a few other girls, but they left. And they are now saying Colin was also there.
The whole time? With Brian Aubert, Jr.?
Yes. He only came for like 40 minutes, they say.
Okay. But he was there.
Wait, so Colin Aubert is friends with Brian Aubert?
Oh, yeah, they're Auberts.
Yeah, they're cousins.
Yeah, so they're cousins.
They're there. And then the first people to get back uh -huh in one car is brian albert uh -huh nicole albert nicole albert at like what 12 something yes and caitlin albert their daughter right okay so these three come back in one car from the waterfall bar and then colin leaves why why did he leave so early right he says he has a curfew we're gonna get into that he there's text messages that are so unhinged so then colin leaves at what time 12 he says 12 10 a .m exactly does he recall anything else that is crazy but they every single person recalls he left at 12 10 wow so then then brian higgins
walks in okay colin is left brian higgins walks in jennifer mccabe walks in with her husband matthew mccabe yes and then do you want to know about outside people should i do upside down house for people who are outside on the street and obviously chloe's in the house now these are all the people that are inside that's not a lot of people no how do you not remember okay so there's let me see one two two, three, four, five, five adults, like five older.
And then one, two, three, four, four younger crowd.
Like there's barely anyone in the house.
Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to get there when I get there because there are outside people now.
So these are all the people.
When asked about if he said that to the feds about the dark haired tall guy, he doesn't remember.
Brian Higgins doesn't remember a lot of things during his testimony.
All he remembers about being in that house was he just stayed for a little bit it because well he saw birthday brian flanked by two females that's how he says it he just keeps using this type of verbiage over and over again and at one point atf brian and brian albert leave the kitchen area and they go upstairs to look at brian albert's other son's photos so brian albert is like hey my other son who's not on this wall is in the marines you want to see pictures of of him in the marines so they go upstairs uh -huh problem atf brian previously testified that he had never been upstairs in the albert
household but they went upstairs to go look at the photos there's three floors in the albert residence atf brian testified previously that he's never been to the very top floor which means you just have the main floor and the basement so if you go upstairs to look at photos where are the photos okay so are we saying that they were downstairs in the basement where a lot of people theorized john o 'keefe was killed so they're downstairs in the basement and they went upstairs to go look at photos it's just another thing that is very very strange right it doesn't make any sense atf brian also states
that he leaves the albert residence sometime around 12 20 1 a .m he says that he knew he was going to leave pretty early even before coming because he's not a big beer drinker and all they have are white claws and beers so he's like i need my jameson and ginger he's like obsessed with that combination he claims he's one of the very first people to leave and he just wants to go home except he doesn't go home he goes straight to the canton police department atf brian works out of the canton police department and he has an office there because chief the chief of the canton police berkowitz is his bestie
during a celebration party for chief berkowitz atf brian got up with a glass of champagne to give a toast and allegedly said if you want to hide a body kenny berkowitz is your man brian higgins says that relationship was through chief berkowitz born through a tragedy when my My sister passed away, we became friends, and he offered up the space at the police station.
I'd also moved to Canton, so it was close.
It was a good jumping off point.
Brian Higgins' sister passed away?
Yeah. And then he was like, hey, since you're moving to Canton, do you just want an office inside of my police station?
You want to know something else that's crazy?
I keep wanting to save some crazy things, but okay.
These two seem close, right?
right, Brian Higgins, ATF Brian, and Brian Albert seem close, right?
Besties, yeah. But Brian Higgins, ATF Brian, and Chief Berkowitz are actually much closer.
And ATF Brian stated that Chief Berkowitz says even he is scared of Brian Albert.
Brian Albert's a scary guy.
How did we find out about that?
He said that to somebody else.
Now, why does he go to the Canton Police Department right after 34 Fairview?
He's like, yeah, it doesn't make sense.
He claims it's because he has a ton of cars parked in the parking lot.
He's got work cars.
He's got a police cruiser.
He's got an undercover cop car.
He's got his own personal cars in the parking lot and if the snow plowers are coming through, they've got to move all their cars to the center of the parking garage because it just makes things easier.
It's a courtesy thing.
Nevertheless, he goes in, he passes the dispatch room where Sergeant Good is working dispatch and he will be the one that picks up Carrie Roberts' initial 911 call where she's like, like hey have you seen my friend at a hospital or anything he says no then he picks up another 911 call from Jen who says there's a guy in the snow there's a man in the snow and then he later showed up too at the scene yes it was all him yes these three will show up at the scene these three are so suspicious because these three didn't even see where John's body was laying in the snow but they're out here giving all
their information to the accident reconstructionist when it's like Like, how can you give information if you didn't even know where he was in the snow?
Right. These three are weird. ATF Brian says he just waves at Sergeant Goode.
That's it. He says hi to him, goes to his office upstairs, grabs his car keys, comes back down, moves the vehicles.
There has been footage of him released of moving his cars around.
And this man isn't just moving his cars around.
He's just like full treasure hunting, opening the trunk, grabbing things.
There's a lot going on for someone who just wants to go home and fall asleep ASAP.
and at one point you can see him walking in the snow with his brightly lit phone up to his ear.
It looks like he's on a phone call but we don't know that for sure.
He could be doing a voice memo.
He could be listening to a voice memo.
It just appears to be a phone call but the problem is you cannot even ask him about it because this footage of him in the Canton Police Department was released during the second trial where ATF Brian is not called to testify.
The government does not call him to testify and the defense i don't think they want to risk it oh it was like somebody else released it during the second trial but they can't ask brian for any more information about it it's admitted into evidence but they can't say hey brian who are you on the phone with atf brian says after all of that he just goes home and quote again it was a long day it just seemed like it dragged on forever but i think i did what i typically do after being out having a couple of drinks i had something else to eat and i believe i might have had another couple of drinks and laid
on the couch or the bed typically if i fall asleep on the couch i wake up and go to the bedroom i don't know what location i was in at that point regardless he says he falls asleep and he doesn't wake up until his phone starts blowing up at 6 30 in the morning most of the calls are coming from two people chief berkowitz and brian albert why the fuck they're calling him for exactly atf brian chooses not to call chief berkowitz back but he calls brian albert back chief berkowitz is his bestie bestie yeah but he calls brian albert back yeah and his reasoning for this is well chief berkowitz is an early
riser and typically when he's working that day we had a friendship where we would just kind of check on each other in the mornings we just call in the mornings so i just kind of blew it off like you know why are you calling me this early but when i saw brian albert calling me that kind of caused some concern so he's like it's not that i knew brian albert had something to tell me it's that he just doesn't wake up early we don't talk like that whereas i talked to chief berkowitz every single morning so this is a casual phone call i was getting this this was alarming to me that's why i picked his phone
call over his so you know he was out with me all day we both had the same long day i was concerned at that point so he picks up the call he talks to brian albert and that's when he's found he finds out that john o 'keefe was found laying on the lawn outside atf brian says that in that moment he was very confused none of this was making sense because john o 'keefe and the defendant never showed up he says it didn't make sense so he gets dressed rushes over to 34 fairview where a few of the mick mick albert family members have gathered atf brian says the energy was just distraught he ends up staying
for about an hour and he doesn't really recall with 100 certainty what else he did but he's off that day he's off january 29th 2022 he just found out that someone that he is friends with passed away yeah what would you do on your off day would you go grieve would you go mourn would you spend time with your family because you're like i i need i'm sad he goes on his off day to the office to canton police station he doesn't recall how long he was there or what time he was there from but he he wasn't on duty that day he's not working that day he doesn't go home to grieve he doesn't sleep he doesn't
run errands he goes directly from 34 fairview to canton police department atf brian says he just stopped by but the defense argues that his key card shows access all the way from 9 00 a .m to 5 p .m brian is like well that i i could have left and come back i could have like left and periodically kept coming back all day you could could have and then they're like okay but you were still there for a long time at that point atf brian meets with some of the state troopers that have now just been assigned to the case trooper proctor and trooper buchanik both of whom he knows atf brian testifies so i
was familiar with trooper buchanik evidently i was reminded by trooper proctor that i had met with him before i think i had helped him on a gun recovery that he made but i didn't remember him he says that he's not close with either of them just seen Buchanek at a local gym a few times saw him at a bar once where ATF Brian bought him a drink introduced himself and said hi to Trooper Buchanek's kids at a sporting event probably worked with him before but they're not close they barely know each other ATF Brian says I wouldn't classify that as socializing more being friendly and that's that nothing
else of particular value has been noted by the Honorable Brian Higgins.
Also, ATF Brian testifies that he knows the name of Colin Albert.
He knows that he's one of Chris Albert's sons.
However if Colin Albert were to walk into the courtroom today, he would have not a single clue that that is Colin Albert.
ATF Brian testifies that he does not know what Colin Albert looks like and he just feels the need to throw that out there.
A lot of people just don't like his testimony.
everything boils down to if i did that if i knew that i would have done that with one that is in writing they kill me these witnesses kill me when they act like they don't understand the questions then you have brian albert the homeowner homeowner brian brian albert is sitting on the witness stand dressed like a defendant white collared shirt tie sweater jacket on top it's we're making a comeback here brian albert retained counsel which is not a bad thing to do it is crazy how How attorneys will make people look bad for hiring attorneys.
And I'm like, you are also an attorney.
I don't understand.
But it is odd in the sense that Brian Albert cannot tell you anything about this attorney.
I'm not talking privileged conversations.
I'm talking Brian Albert does not recall, does not remember the date, even the month, even the season, even the year in which he hired this attorney.
Why is he just trying to play?
like i don't recall i don't recall i don't recall yeah but i think he's also trying to be like if it's too early on that looks suspicious ah i see i see like though even those information that that's like so harmless he's like i'm just not gonna say anything yeah i don't know i don't recall do you have amnesia he also conveniently forgets that he talked to the prosecution even just a few hours ago the direct examination of brian albert is exactly what you expect he He testifies that he comes to the house.
He lets Chloe out from upstairs, goes outside to use the restroom, hangs out a little bit in the kitchen.
Chloe does. And then Brian sends Chloe back upstairs to go to sleep in their master bedroom.
And then he hangs out with everyone.
Everybody leaves. He goes upstairs, knocks out, falls asleep and does not wake up until his sister -in -law Jen McKay bursts into the room.
The cross examination of Brian Albert just starts spicy.
It sets the tone for the entire cross.
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Alan Jackson starts off by asking Brian, Brian Albert, how many times he's testified before?
Because he's a cop.
It's probably around 100 times.
Cops testify in trials.
Jackson asks him, when was the last time you spoke to prosecutor lally the lead prosecutor before friday like when you began testifying when was the last time the last time i spoke to him i believe was on a conference call around the time of my grand jury testimony which would have been in 2022 two years prior it's not uncommon for you to prep witnesses this is a very normal thing the government will call a witness and they will prep a witness they'll even do like mock cross examinations of This is what the defense attorney is probably going to ask you.
So let's see how you hold up.
You had not spoken to Mr. Lally since 2022?
I don't remember speaking with Mr. Lally since that time.
No. What about anyone from the DA's office?
No. But Brian also goes on to say that he did watch a video of everybody at the Waterfall bar to prep for this trial.
That was back in April of 2022?
No, that was to prep for this trial.
With whom did you prep with this trial for?
Mr. Lally I'm confused I thought you had not spoken with Mr. Lally since April of 2022 except for the prep of this trial and not okay that was my question Mr. Albert okay I misunderstood your question I apologize did you prep for this trial with Mr. Lally yes when approximately a few weeks ago Mr. Albert about 45 seconds ago I asked you have you spoken with Mr. Lally before your testimony in this proceeding and your answer was no i have not did you not understand my question i did not what was confusing about it that's crazy right meanwhile you're a cop standing here playing dumb like oh i didn't
understand your question what was your question again repeat that i didn't understand i i didn't even know i had a prep like it's like if out of anyone you know what the system is like you know exactly what's going on I was expecting you to ask if I had prepped with Mr. Lally.
I didn't hear prep with Mr. Lally, and so I didn't know what you were referring to.
What's the difference between speaking and prepping?
No, there is no difference.
I just misunderstood your question.
That's all. A lot of netizens feel like this already broke credibility for Brian Albert because he's being so evasive and fishy with his words.
A lot of netizens believe what is happening?
Like, what is the literal point in lying about this when this is so common?
But one comment reads, what if it was a very silent prep like they never spoke obviously being sarcastic and everyone in this family and circle of friends is just evasive for no reason later the defense starts asking Brian Albert about how close he was with Karen how well he knows her he says he's never met her well maybe he met her once in a bar then he makes it appear like they don't even really know each other aside from their first first names except just a week before John O 'Keefe's death there's a photo of Chris Albert, Brian Albert, John O 'Keefe, and a guy named Tim Daly in a bar together,
and the person that took that photo is Karen Reed.
Attorney Jackson is asking Brian Albert, Karen Reed took the photo, you're literally staring at her correct?
I don't know who took the photo.
Who do you think took the photo, sir?
I have no idea who took the photo.
Could it have been Karen Reed?
Objection sustained.
sustained. Netizens are having split reactions to this part of the testimony.
Some believe defense is grasping at straws, others are joking.
Is the defense also going to point out that Brian's hand seems to be clenched into a fist in that picture?
Others think it's frustrating how much amnesia this entire town has, and suddenly they think it casts a lot of reasonable doubt in the case.
People say they just don't like Brian's energy.
They say it's kind of a pure talent that he has to be able to give such infuriatingly vague answers to every single question.
Some people are commenting, what's up with amnesia in this town?
Is there something in the water?
I think their evasiveness is only make them look more sus.
If you don't remember to just try your best to, I think whenever Karen Ree gets brought up, they try to distance so hard that it made it seem more shady.
Just say, oh, I met her.
I met her twice, three times, four times.
Instead of like, I don't recall.
Maybe, I don't know her.
I don't know. And they have to be evasive about everything.
And it's very weird for the jurors because, I mean, these people, they seem to hate the defense.
But the jurors don't.
You're just being combative for no reason.
I wonder if this strategy would have worked in like a traditional case that's not this high profile.
I think so. Right? Like you can get away with these things.
You're like, well, that could be the case.
I think so. Right? Right.
Now, some people say, well, yeah, he's being evasive because every single question coming from the defense sounds accusatory.
Of course, everyone's on edge.
Some people are saying the defense team, they're so hostile.
Now, maybe it's because just like Brian Higgins, Brian Albert does something that pisses off the defense.
He throws away his phone.
He gets rid of his phone as well.
Both the Brians have now gotten rid of their phones and their cups.
what exactly happened like the day of the day after what's going on no not even the but then also like throwing away the phone is kind of dumb because there's a record of everything right there is a cell record but you don't have text message records when you pull um a lot of data text messages are hard to pull from the service provider you'll see who you're texting yeah but But you won't get the exact messages.
And the cell data will show incoming or outgoing call, right?
And they'll give you duration.
Yes. But it will not indicate if that duration went to voicemail, if that duration was on the phone.
Right. Okay. So, Michael Proctor, the No Nudes Michael Proctor.
Yes. They pulled his phone.
Yes. They took his phone.
The feds. The feds.
But Brian Higgins and Brian Albert tossed the phone.
and the timing of this is going to be crazy now attorney jackson asks brian albert sir you had an iphone with the number ending in 0888 back in january 2022 did you not yes mr albert you were notified by the commonwealth that on september 23rd 2022 a judge specifically ordered that you were to preserve that phone i do not remember getting that letter no subsequent to me upgrading grading my phone i spoke to the da's office so after that they told me via a phone call that that was the case so your testimony is that you never received a notice that i just read but you did talk to the da and he told
you lally told you that you were on notice that you were to preserve your phone was that the conversation sir i don't have the exact date of that conversation i'm not sure who did you talk to on the phone exactly was it mr lally alone was it a conference call it was a conference call brian says he believes other witnesses involved in this case were on the conference call being told the same thing can you name some of those witnesses for us i believe it was jen mccabe matt mccabe i believe brian higgins i believe maybe somebody else i can't recall did you volunteer oh my goodness i just upgraded
my phone last week conveniently i don't have that phone anymore no you didn't say that to mr lolly no so you just took the information that he gave you and hung up the phone and went about your business yes without notifying him that the very phone that he just ordered you to preserve had just been destroyed days earlier destroyed destroyed well that's what the defense is saying brian is saying the phone wasn't destroyed i upgraded the phone the data was destroyed sir i didn't destroy any data on my phone where's the phone he doesn't have it we don't know where yeah when so the brian higgins you're
saying he tossed it into a military yes okay are you gonna explain more on that or yes oh okay okay now mr albert i i upgraded my phone when you upgrade your phone you know that the phone is set back to factory reset before your new phone is handed to you correct happens every time i don't know that how many times have you upgraded your phone multiple times every single time you upgraded you know that the phone prior the data is destroyed on it correct so it seems like he's trading the phone in usually my contacts come over and my photos come over so that's a backup no i don't i don't think that that that that's
a backup but okay irrespective you didn't tell mr lally that you had gotten rid of the phone i was not asked that so i didn't tell him that i see you felt like if you weren't asked you didn't need to volunteer it even though the conference call was specifically about preserving your phone pursuant to a judge's order what was the question you didn't offer to Mr. Lally that you had gotten rid of the very phone that he was telling you had to be preserved due to the judge's order.
I did not. When did you upgrade your phone?
I upgraded my phone in September, third week of September, maybe around the 22nd.
I can't be sure of the exact date.
Wait, but when you upgrade, if they transfer the phone, the text message gets transferred too.
Yes, but he did not do that.
Oh, he just restarted a new phone.
That is freaking weird. weird so according to you you got wait that is so weird that's beyond weird hello is am i the only one that's crazy no it's weird that is so crazy it's crazy so according to you you got rid of the phone that was the subject of a court order preservation the day before it was ordered so the court order came out 23rd he got rid of his phone september 22nd yeah the timing the timing did someone warn him did he get a heads up wow rephrase the question please he's saying that usually the judge says that okay the day before this all happened you upgraded your phone and got rid
of it in total correct i upgraded my phone around the 22nd yes you are aware that the very data that you were ordered to preserve would have been destroyed according to you the day before the court order correct rephrase your question or ask me a question are you claiming that you got rid of your phone on the 22nd i upgraded my phone around that i'm not sure if that's the exact date but yes so it could have been after the 22nd i don't think it was after the 22nd but it could have been the 24th no could have been the 25th no so you're absolutely sure that you could not have upgraded your phone
and gotten rid of it anytime after the 23rd when this judge ordered that it to be preserved now because you knew that if you got rid of that phone after you had been notified that you were ordered by a court order to preserve it you would be committing a felony objection sustained yeah i'm getting riled up because of these uh auntie bev is gonna come in episode four there's a lot of words people are saying about auntie bev so now you claim that you got rid of your phone september 22nd 2022 hours before you were ordered to preserve it that's your testimony yes is that just a coincidence coincidence
september 4th was my birthday the phone was broken and failing i had planned on getting a new phone that just happens to be the day that i got it happy birthday was that a coincidence that's what you're saying today to these jurors just a coincidence yes did you and brian higgins agree with each other to both get rid of your phones no jackson brings up the fact that in previous testimony brian says he recalls having conversation about the phones with atf brian but he doesn't really recall much more now he's being asked that like didn't you have conversations with atf brian about getting rid of your
phones and he says i don't recall what time mr albert i don't care when it was i'm asking you have you had a conversation with brian higgins about your phones respectively we may have i just i can't remember that conversation specifically who did he tell that to fbi yeah okay so brian albert gets rid of his phone no clue where it it is brian higgins gets rid of his phone literally drives it to a military base to dump it but then how do we have all these text messages between brian higgins karen reed brian higgins and john o 'keefe well karen reed's phone was taken john o 'keefe's phone was taken
so is it just from their phones no brian higgins gives over those text messages he uses a federal device to extract message threads so a lot of feds they have these machines where okay when the feds go through your phone that's this is a huge thing not just the feds any law enforcement officer when they go through your phone they don't actually go through your physical phone they hook it up to a computer or a machine and it's a mirrored image of your phone okay this guy was going through karen's phone physically looking for nudes so that's like already bad but what do you mean uh upload your phone
to a cloud and then they can access everything it's not like uploaded to a cloud it's just connected to a device i think it's so that everything is tracked yeah like you don't just like scroll through someone's phone like that interesting okay so he's just going through karen's phone like that which is already bad and he's looking for nudes you're saying he was going through karen's phone without this official government monitor he's just like browsing yeah wow now brian higgins goes to one of these machines and you can extract certain data and this is very important especially with suspects who have attorneys
because there's like different panels as well sometimes if there's a lot of and this was a problem with the sean combs case and is very technical.
Let's say I have a phone where I have tons of communication with my attorney on there about this specific case.
It gets turned over to the police.
They immediately see tons of privileged information between myself and my counsel.
Typically, they would send this phone to a third party attorney who will take out all of the privileged information, give that back to me and my counsel, and then give the non -privileged information to the law enforcement agencies.
agencies but you're saying that's like the police have to follow this code of law and be ethical and be yeah not browsing looking for nudes and looking for yeah i mean it's typically easier in the sense of like you it's easy to prove that you have lots of privileged communications and then you would bring it up with the judge and it would become a whole ordeal right but i mean they just be doing yeah now brian higgins goes to one of these machines and you can extract certain data so So that's the whole point.
You can take certain data with its metadata.
So you can take certain text threads with all the metadata and that's it.
You're not doing a copy of the entire phone.
You're just selecting this specific text message thread between person A and person B.
So Brian Higgins goes to this machine, gets two text message threads, one with Karen Reed and one with John O 'Keefe, and he submits them himself to Buchenik, the state trooper.
this is before his phone was destroyed or after and then immediately after he destroys his phone what's his explanation because if he doesn't give these text messages they're gonna want his phone right they're gonna say you're weird you're sus we need to go through your phone so he's trying to get ahead of it is what a lot of people believe i'm not in brian hagan's mind thankfully i think i would not like it there um but he says i thought it was important because i've had had communications with both of them and I wanted to be fully transparent.
He says he was never asked for these.
He voluntarily gave them over to the state troopers.
But here's what's interesting.
Trooper Buchanek is on the stand and his whole testimony is in the next one.
He says, I explained to Mr. Higgins that we have in our custody and will eventually get to both the defendant's phone and Mr. O 'Keefe's phone.
So to protect Brian Higgins' integrity as a law enforcement official, I told him that the information he was providing to us better be true and accurate or else he would suffer the consequences, aka giving him a chance to rectify anything he didn't turn over.
Basically, he's saying, hey, we're gonna go through the text messages soon.
They gotta match up to what we have in their phones, okay?
Wink, wink. Yeah. Because I want to protect, what did he say?
Protect the integrity.
His integrity as a law enforcement official.
Now, ATF Brian is asked during the cross -examination, you would agree that searching electronic devices and phones is an incredibly important investigative tool that modern investigators use, correct?
I've utilized phone data during the course of my investigations at times, yes.
You've probably even written search warrants for them, right?
Things of that nature.
Right? Yes. So how do you get rid of information on your cell phone?
I mean, I think there's different ways that you could possibly, you could wipe your phone.
Another avenue, you could break the sim card in half correct yeah that's exactly what he does he breaks it in half and gets rid of it he says it was beaten it was broken up already i already had a new phone and the only explanation is i throw it away that's it later he says i had a target of an investigation i was working with he's like this is the reason i changed my phone okay i was doing this undercover investigation the target of that investigation said he knew my personal cell phone number and i was like how did did you know?
He said he obtained it through open source internet.
So I went online and lo and behold, my phone number is out there.
So I had to get a new phone number.
And he's like, quit lying with me, quit playing with me because you waited three months afterwards to change your phone number from the time that that target of your investigation told you that your phone number is open source.
So where's the phone?
I don't have the phone anymore.
You destroyed that phone, haven't you no i threw the phone away well that's destroying the phone isn't it i had every right to do that i didn't ask you about your rights i asked you about what you did you destroyed the phone by removing the sim card correct did you do that did you pull the sim card out to the best of my recollection if i did take the sim card out i would have thrown it away if i was going to take it out i would break it or cut it but i did not wipe the phone i did not take anything else off of it but i was just going to throw the phone away that's what i would have done you were aware that there
was a court order that was to not alter delete or destroy in any way manipulate your phone or any electronic data associated with it, correct?
September 30th, 2022 for you?
And you were served a notice on September 30th, 2022?
That's correct. Isn't it true that in another hearing, you explained that on September 29th, the day before you claim you got that notice, you changed phone carriers?
Both of them the day before?
One upgraded the phone, the other one changed his whole carrier.
but like how did they find out about this right you think it's oh wow wow so you made the decision to dispose of your phone without consulting anybody about the decision to throw out your phone correct yes so the timing is suspicious which means potentially they have have some sort of connection with the inside right and it makes me feel like if the fbi wasn't involved in this case i don't know if you know they will win this case because you know the campden boston massachusetts the judge da everyone's like you know in the same team allegedly allegedly right yeah it's very scary yeah yeah it's
very scary i also think him getting on this case because regardless of what you think of alan jackson and his previous current clients he is a big name i think that did bring a lot more attention as well and i think it brought a lot of pressure because he's not just someone that's gonna walk in and be like oh everything's weird let me just clock in clock out yeah i mean not that david yannetti or any of the other defense teams were but he's pretty nationally known yeah now it is weird that higgins just turns in these text messages and the state troopers don't look further into atf brian in any
other case any other situation a very strong motive that cops love going after is the jealousy motive but trooper buchanek one of the state investigators he's asked during his trial he explains the messages as as they were friendly communications again i don't want to put a label on it they were communications between acquaintances and people that know each other he's asked if the texts were flirtatious to which he says as far as flirtatious i would have to take a look at the content of it for certain terms that would support that label and the defense is like okay sure here you go they gave him
a pile of text messages between brian higgins and karen reed play stupid games win stupid prizes now he's reading through it and many netizens argue buchanic is stupid.
he's also incredibly committed to his role in all of this because after reading these text messages with a straight face his lips are becoming progressively more thin as the trial wears on.
he is asked would you consider those text messages as you reviewed them from brian higgins as being flirtatious or romantic in nature?
i would not categorize them to that extent.
certain parts? he's asked to point out which parts the you're hot talking about banging hooking up what word would you use to describe them if not flirtatious my opinion is that this is an angry girlfriend trying to set up a hookup and that's it what does that even mean as a reasonable objective investigator is there a possible scenario for brian higgins to be jealous about john o 'keefe there is a possibility there but i didn't see it based off the totality of the evidence the length these people will go to cover each other yeah like when the whole nation is looking at them like why are you doing
this you look so dumb right now yeah his nickname on the internet is officer bukkake and uh it's gonna become a thing because one of these witnesses is goes on the stand it's in the next episode and she's like i forget his name i think officer bukkake this is what this is not real none of this is real but it's very real and it makes me very depressed there is a clip from the waterfall bar that the defense wants everybody to watch and it is of brian albert and atf brian pretending to throw punches at each other they're like play fighting i don't know why they're doing this they're acting like high
school football players some say they're acting like they're play fighting others saying they look like they're practicing fighting these are the men that fight invisible ops they're just like boxing the air at all hours of the day brian albert seemingly seems like the mentor there is cctv footage where they're squatting they're doing like punching stances they're like air punching at one point brian Albert throws ATF Brian in a bear hug.
Then Brian, ATF Brian, pretends to push a knee into his stomach. It's just a lot.
Brian Albert testifies, we're just fooling around.
We're just pushing each other around, fooling around.
Oh, so like play fighting?
I don't think I would call it play fighting.
Practice fighting techniques?
I wouldn't call it that.
If it's not fighting techniques, how would you describe it?
Just joking. Being silly.
Just fooling around.
We Nicole, Brian's husband, also saw this.
And she says, they were just, I saw them fooling around with each other.
I want to know what kind of setup you're going to be like, okay, let's just fool around real quick.
You know, let me show you how to take a jab.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, what's the setup?
The defense says the setup is, hey, Jono keeps coming.
What are you going to do to him?
Right, right, right.
That's what I'm saying.
Because anything else doesn't make sense.
Yeah, tell me, Brian, like, what made you guys decide to do this fooling around?
If not that, then what, right?
Yeah. Ms. Albert, when your husband drinks, does he often get into sort of these practice sparring, practice fighting stances?
Is that common for him?
No, I don't think so.
So this type of behavior was unusual for him.
No, I think they were just fooling around.
I don't think there was much, anything much to it.
Well, she's just like, damn it, I should have said that.
It's very common. Yeah.
He does it every day.
To me as well, to everybody.
Yeah. My question was, is it unusual for you to see him sort of practice fighting?
I wouldn't call it practice fighting.
I think they were just fooling around.
And yeah, maybe I've seen him do that other times, but it was just fooling around.
They weren't practicing.
The defense tries to point out one.
Sure, Brian Albert is older now, but he is a highly trained fighter.
That's how they phrase it.
Nicole Albert highly disagrees.
But aside from being a Boston police officer, he's trained in the Marine Corps previously and he's a trained boxer.
Sir. But Brian Albert says that this is just joking around.
It's just him fooling around.
But Brian Albert also states when he's asked about Brian Higgins, he's like, hey, is ATF Brian your friend?
He's like, Define Friends.
Define Friends? He's like, Define Friends.
We just kind of know each other from work.
I don't know if I would call it friends.
The defense is like, you've known this man for 15 years.
You just took a four hour long road trip up with him he came over to your house you're fooling around in a bar and you would not categorize yourself as friends to which he finally is like we are friends we are friends yeah we're friends yo this is crazy you know like they they interview people every day now tables flipped all of a sudden so bad so bad i saw one netizen put it way better than i can explain it it's extra insulting because they're evil and they're dumb and they're getting away with it So it's like just spitting in the public's face over and over again.
Just because, what, you're law enforcement?
He says, yeah, we're good friends.
We were just fooling around.
You just said you weren't friends.
Define friends, right?
Meanwhile, ATF Brian does not get the memo because he describes Brian Albert as he's a good friend.
He's a co -worker. You know, I've been working very closely with his unit.
I would say he's a good friend.
I mean, there's no secrets here, right?
He's my friend. and netizens comment it's like pulling teeth to get regular answers from these people nevertheless the defense states whether or not they were play fighting has importance and they're like brian you're a fighter aren't you he's like nah a side note there are rumors online that brian albert had gotten into a fight with another cop at a christmas party before it seems like he has a propensity for fighting as well as this one call an auber atf brian had allegedly told the feds again that chief berkowitz is also scared of brian albert so maybe he is a fighter but he really tries to
downplay this during the trial to the point where attorney jackson tries to break it down what was your job title sergeant detective that means you not only respond to incidents you actually conduct investigations as a detective correct yes primarily fugitive investigations you have additional training in order to hold the title and hold the position as a detective is that right yes not just regular patrol officer you have to have special training to get the rank of detective is that right yes as a sergeant detective that's above a regular detective indeed because you're supervising detectives
is that right yes you're also trained in techniques obviously any detective would be trained in techniques that a culprit might use suspects might use correct no so in all your training 30 years of a Boston police officer and a sergeant detective, you don't have any training in, I don't know, what techniques criminals might use to cover up their conduct.
No, I have never gone to training for criminals to cover up conduct, no. He also downplays all of his physical training.
He acts like he's just a patrol officer.
Not that anything's wrong with a patrol officer, but he's just like, I'm not that fit.
I'm not that strong.
I'm not a big guy. I'm weak.
I'm dainty and frail.
In the reality show, Boston's Finest, in episode three, there's a whole thirst trap level boxing segment of brian albert just going at it at the boxing gym and it's a voiceover of him saying you have to have undercover police officers actually going out posing as buyers and making drug buys it's dangerous work anything can happen and he's like double fisting a small punching bag he clearly knows what he's doing and again netizens think why does he have to be so evasive you would imagine that a lot of these law enforcement officers are somewhat physically trained one comment reads if you look very
closely their noses are growing others say come on this is so bad he can't even remember what he talked about an hour ago some say brian albert is like a slippery snake others say karen reed should get the max penalty for putting these people through all of this this is awful maybe he knows that being suspicious will not be charged yeah but if he says anything you know then he's cooked yeah and i do think that it's extra cautious because the feds yeah yeah and in the reality show brian albert even says it's very rewarding when someone commits a crime or they hurt somebody and you're the person that actually
catches them it's probably one of the best things you can do at the end of the show boston's finest they end with a voiceover and it says the decision to become a police officer is never an easy one but for these men and women of the boston police department in the end it was the only decision they could make some joined the force to protect the streets where they grew up some to say thanks to the new city that welcomed them in every day they take to the streets without fail carrying with them the love they have for their families That was Brian talking?
No. Narrator. With September 4th, 2023, before the first trial for Karen Reid, Brian Albert is no longer doing that because he retires from Boston Police Department.
Okay. Nicole Albert, Brian's wife, fellow homeowner of 34 Fairview Road, testifies.
This is Jen McCabe's sister She's also a part -time lunch lady That's how she calls it During direct, she says You know, John came into the waterfall She doesn't really know John O 'Keefe She says, I didn't know him that well I think I'd met him only once Maybe twice through my sister Brief interactions I think when he actually first walked in I didn't recognize him I think I said to someone Oh, who's that?
Because they were kind of walking towards our table And someone said, oh, that's John O 'Keefe And I said, oh, I'd never met Karen Um, I'd only ever met John once or twice and it's interesting because your husband is on the same police department as john o 'keefe but she says i don't believe he ever worked with my husband i don't believe they ever crossed paths at work and to be fair uh boston police department is about 3 000 officers wow so it does seem if they don't cross paths often now nicole says she doesn't have a single interaction with karen she says i've none i don't believe we spoke or we
even introduced ourselves or anything i don't think we spoke at all in fact nicole states in her testimony she didn't even know that john and Karen were coming over.
The rest of the evening, they go home.
It's relatively normal.
Nicole says that she just started cleaning the kitchen when she got home and everybody left. She stayed cleaning the kitchen a little more while her husband, Brian Albert, went upstairs to watch TV in bed.
And Elizabeth Little is asking her, Miss Albert, what is the first thing you remember waking up to in the morning of January 29th?
My sister just bombing into my bedroom.
bedroom did you hear any fire trucks that morning i did not did you hear any ambulances i did not you didn't see any flashing lights of emergency vehicles outside your bedroom window i didn't my blinds were shut my curtains were closed i didn't see anything nicole and brian albert will both report that jen burst into their room hysterical and it's kind of interesting because if you watch the dash cam footage if you listen to the 911 call or the testimonies of anyone at the scene that morning nobody describes jen as being hysterical except these two yeah she was so calm she was like i know i know
yes even the 911 call she was calm the only person that was not calm was karen reid yes so they're like she was hysterical bursting in through the door now that's weird because they both testify that chloe slept in the room with them that night if i were jen i know my sister has a dog right a 70 pound german shepherd that doesn't like strangers maybe perhaps is startled easily i'm not bursting into your room yeah yeah also if my brother -in -law is a cop i'm not bursting into your room right right right to wake you up from a sleep and by this point that jen is bursting into their room john o 'keefe
has already been taken into the ambulance so it doesn't make sense the only time that that would make sense that for her to be bursting into their room is nobody's there they need to save john he's a first responder yeah it's weird caitlin albert the eldest albert daughter caitlin works for the massachusetts attorney Attorney General's office in the Medicaid Fraud Division, she is the eldest child of the main Alberts.
At this point, she would have been 33 years old.
And she testifies that that morning on the 28th, she meets up with her mom, Nicole Albert, and her aunt, Julie Albert.
And they go to the waterfall together.
So Julie, Nicole, and Caitlin.
And Caitlin shows up with her fiance, Tristan.
ah i see who does not want to be there okay there's a blizzard coming in he had gotten offered to do some snow plowing so what he's going to do most of the night is while everybody's asleep during the blizzard he's going to stay up and he's going to get a call maybe around 3 a .m then like hey come to this street and plow this street like his job his side gig it's like a side gig okay so that's why he ends up leaving the bar early he's like bye caitlin love you i'm leaving he leaves the bar and caitlin says she remembers at the waterfall she asked her mom who's john o 'keefe caitlin says that she
does not know who john o 'keefe is but a man walks into the bar with who now she knows is karen reed and he seemed very friendly with their group of family and friends her mom tells her oh that's john which i mean nicole just said that someone told her that's John so I don't know if they're playing telephone or what but her mom tells her it's John and Caitlin instantly knows it's him because everybody in Canton knows about his niece and nephew being raised by him after his sister passed but she doesn't really talk to John or Karen at all nothing eventful happens at the bar Caitlin goes home with her
parents and the same things are repeated about the birthday party everyone's in the kitchen everyone can see everyone just hanging out good times everybody leaves one by one Caitlin doesn't hear anything strange she doesn't see anything strange everyone leaves and eventually caitlyn is the last to go so by the end of the night inside the house are just brian albert nicole albert brian albert jr and chloe the dog and john o 'keefe outside but caitlyn leaves what time around two her boyfriend tristan comes to pick her up which netizens think that's so weird because tristan and just left the waterfall
because he has to wake up overnight to go plow the roads but then he leaves the waterfall leaves caitlin there and then caitlin goes back home to 34 fairview for like an hour and a half and then gets picked up it's kind of there again they didn't see anything not nobody saw john o 'keefe outside no and at this point it's not even really snowing correct Or barely?
Barely snowing. Well, it's snowing, but the snow is just starting to accumulate.
Like you can still see grass is what a lot of them testify.
That's crazy. Yeah.
It's not like whiteout conditions until the next morning.
Right. And how do all of them explain that?
They just weren't looking.
They weren't looking.
They couldn't see it.
It's dark outside. but they see lots of other things outside such as tire tracks in the snow from Karen's car allegedly speeding up to hit John O 'Keefe.
Now the defense starts into something else though when they start questioning Caitlin Albert.
She's very close friends with firefighter, paramedic Katie McLaughlin.
Now during the cross -examination she's asked, who is Katie McLaughlin?
And she response, Katie McLachlan is a girl who I'm in the same age and we went to high school together.
We graduated the same year.
We have a couple of mutual friends.
We interact with some of the same people socially.
I can't think of a time possibly ever where her and I ever hung out one -on -one individually.
So more of like a friend of a mutual friend.
There is a lot of just explanation here, just non -stop.
I mean, the defense is bringing up photos and she just has to keep repeating, this is like a mutual friend of a friend of a friend and like, I barely know this girl.
and then there's like pictures of them in small group settings at her dorm when she was in college and then people she's just like I mean just like a mutual friend like a friend of a friend and then even in these group photos I would understand if it's one thing if they're on the other side of this massive group photo every single time but a lot of the times they're right next to each other it just doesn't make sense like it looks a little bit strange and she keeps over explaining that they just have mutual friends which is fine if that's the only connection that she has but caitlin albert is also pretty
close with michael proctor's wife she's not on here she's gonna be on here in the next one elizabeth proctor okay what's their relationship just friendly friends what okay she says that when michael proctor starts interviewing her about this case she doesn't tell him hey i'm friends with your wife or anything just nothing that's the least of her concerns like she doesn't care right and she really doesn't because the defense have other things that they're harping on her about another strange thing is that caitlyn's mom nicole testified previously before the grand jury that caitlyn left the albert
residence at around 12 midnight she was one of the first people to leave and now she's testifying that caitlyn was was the very last person to leave. Same thing with Brian.
The story changes. It's weird. To which the defense asks Brian Albert, were you trying to cover for Caitlin so your daughter would not be wrapped up in this investigation?
Because if she left early, it's likely there would be some time overlap to when Karen's vehicle is outside.
Or something. I don't follow.
If she left around 12, she would have seen more outside.
she would have to go outside Karen's car is outside there's another car that's outside it might be just a little bit trickier they're saying that it's easier story wise for her to leave later yes so she stays in the house she never looks outside the window she doesn't see Karen's car pull up she sees nothing she hears nothing and then by the time she leaves she doesn't look at the front lawn and she just leaves okay Okay, but I mean, regardless, just the changing of the story, what's going on?
To which netizens believe that Caitlyn had every intention to sleep over at 34 Fairview.
Netizens are like, it's not even the time change that's weird. Netizens believe that Caitlyn Albert had every intention to sleep over at her parents' house.
That's why Tristan goes home from the waterfall.
And she's like, I'm just going to sleep over at my parents' house.
And then something happens.
so now she's like okay you gotta come pick me up because I can't be here when the cops get here tomorrow or whenever they get here that's the allegation that's the theory that's the suspicion there are also speculations that she left the house that night with Chloe what?
yeah that's why there's no barking maybe and Jen McCabe says she didn't see Chloe that's true you can easily easily hear a dog barking in the house, easily.
So where did Chloe go?
Oh my. And why would they not want Chloe there?
Right. Wow. Now, it doesn't make sense that Tristan Morris would just come pick her up.
So he is also brought to the stand and he is bizarrely hostile during the cross -examination.
The defense attorney is just trying to ask him, were you at 34 Fairview Road in Canton at 1 .45 in the morning on January 29th, 2022?
I don't remember the time.
Was it wildly different than 1 .45 in the morning or was it somewhat close to that?
I'm not going to make up a time.
I don't remember. Was it 9 p .m. on the 28th?
I don't remember times.
So if I asked you if you were there to pick up Kaitlyn on 9 p .m. on January 28th, you couldn't say if that's true or false?
No, because I'm not going to make up a time.
I'm not going to make up a time.
What time were you at the waterfall?
I don't remember. It was nighttime.
time what time did you leave the waterfall i don't remember would you leave at 5 p .m i don't remember could it have been five in the morning i don't know i feel like he has a relatively easy testimony like in the eyes of the jurors i don't think anyone really cares about this guy all you did is pick up your girlfriend just tell us if there's a dog in the car tell us why you picked up your girlfriend that's it and get out of here but he yeah oh he's getting very defensive he doesn't remember anything at all he doesn't want to put himself at the time if there was something going on outside or not yeah
he will like he will respond i don't remember before the question is done being asked and there were no obstructions between you and the front lawn blocking your view correct i wouldn't be staring at the grass so no i didn't ask you where you were staring i was just asking if there were any obstructions and the answer to that question is no later during redirect tristan is asked why he went back to get caitlyn if it wasn't part of the plan caitlyn told him that she doesn't want to get snowed in at her parents house but this blizzard is not new information to anyone in the town of canton yes so it's
weird tristan just responds to that well she's high maintenance and i didn't really want to have to deal with her and now they're married they got married after all of this brian albert jr birthday brian he sits down on the witness stand netizens do point out that he has very distinctive facial hair but that is neither here nor there he joined his father in wearing the defendant attire to the witness stand collared shirt sweater but this biggest part about his testimony that's alarming is that the very first time that birthday brian despite being in the house that night and all morning while john's
body is found outside in the front law and the first time law enforcement officers talked to him interview him is 18 months after john's death a whole new calendar year it's in 2023 and that is done by proctor and birthday brian has a lawyer present and the interview is actually done at birthday brian's family attorney's office 18 months later yes what is going on it's not like people were trying to hide his existence there everybody knew he was there yeah it was his 23rd birthday he says that his friends come over julie and sarah and a few other girlfriends come over and his mom just got picked
up by his aunt julie so julie picks up nicole caitlin and tristan go to the waterfall so now it's just birthday brian and all of his buddies at the house they order food from a place called D &E Pizza that is owned by Kristen, Julie Albert.
And they start getting drunk.
Everybody's primary drink of choice is White Claws.
Now, by 11 p .m., most of his friends are gone.
So he says, it's just me, Colin, Julie, and Sarah.
That's who's over when the Albert parents and Caitlin get home.
So these three are the first people to get home.
and as they're coming in they say colin is leaving he's like my ride is here my ride's coming back who's his right a friend alison mccabe who is that again jen and matt mccabe's daughter jen and matt mccabe's daughter brian albert's cousin on his mom's side side uh -huh and colin is brian albert's cousin on his dad's side so technically colin albert and allison mccabe are not cousins but they're basically cousins oh and there's so many suspicious what yeah wow and so he leaves and brian says you know my mom came in she just gets straight to cleaning she likes to clean i don't know why he says that and she's
in the kitchen picking up he also says eventually jj comes in jj jen he calls her auntie jj which jj is also the nickname for john o 'keefe from his nephew and niece so auntie jj comes in and it seems like brian albert jr birthday brian and auntie jj are very close so they're very close i mean it seems like all the alberts are close but it's weird because is birthday brian and jj seem close but birthday brian and allison mccabe don't seem close because at one point birthday brian is asked about a group chat with all the cousins like a snapchat group chat with all the cousins and they're like the defense
attorney is like what about ali mccabe is she on there and he's like no she's not an albert okay yeah birthday brian testifies that he didn't see anyone else physically come inside the house after auntie jj and matt mccabe But he did poke his head towards the window.
And he did see a car outside.
And the reason that he went to that window was because outside the house were Ryan Nagel, Heather Maxson, and Ricky, Ricky D.
What? Ryan is Julie's brother.
Uh -huh. And he's here to pick up Julie.
And so Julie goes outside.
Yeah. and brian albert looks out the window and he sees ryan and ricky's car but he also sees another dark colored suv who everyone presumes to be karen reed and john o 'keef birthday brian says he looks out the window twice sees the dark suv pull up and eventually keeps pulling up towards the flagpole which is on the very right side of the property he doesn't see anything strange he doesn't hear hear screaming he doesn't hear the sound of screeching tires a collision he doesn't see a man in the snow on the lawn but he does at one point see tire tracks in the snow he he's looking past the lawn
now and he can see tire tracks and jen mccabe later testifies that she also saw tire tracks but nobody sees a 210 pound six foot one man in the lawn Yeah, that makes no sense.
Who's Heather and Ricky?
Ryan Nagel's friend, Ricky D, is actually the one driving.
It's Ricky D's car.
Okay. Now, Heather is Ryan Nagel's girlfriend at the time.
They're no longer together.
Okay, so there's three people in the car.
Yeah. Okay. Now, Brian says, as for inside the house, he didn't see anyone come in.
He didn't see anyone go up and down the basement stairs.
Nothing. And then everybody leaves eventually.
eventually he goes up to his bedroom on the second floor that faces the backyard he falls asleep wakes up 7 30 8 a .m and uh he says i can't recall the exact time i know previous testimony i may have said earlier but i don't believe it was that early i would say 7 38 my dad knocked on my door i threw on some clothes i went downstairs to the main floor of the house and uh he did not wake up from emergency vehicles noises or dogs barking or screaming just his dad knocking on his door to tell him what happened that is when he finds out he says he doesn't know john o 'keefe personally he says i knew
he was friendly with my auntie jj and that's it now jen and matt mccabe their testimonies are going to be in part three and four because i mean i think we know everything that's going to be said i think their testimonies are more important in the actual investigation sense of how they interact with all the troopers because they are doing some suspicious things they're being weird and so that's going to be in three and four but they pretty much say the same thing.
Jen is like, I'm texting John.
He's not coming in.
I see the dark SUV.
I look out the window multiple times.
I see tire tracks in the snow.
Nobody comes in. I don't see screeching.
I don't see screaming.
I don't hear anything.
And I thought they left. Same with Matt McCabe.
Now the other two that are in the house, birthday Brian's two friends, Julie Nagle and Sarah Levinson.
Now Julie says that they order pizza.
They're having a good time, but she's been there for like six hours at this point.
So at 12 .15 a .m., she texts her brother, hey, can you come pick me up?
Side note, Julie says she has no idea how long it took from that text message to be sent for him to drive up outside.
He texts Julie, hey, I'm outside.
Now, instead of announcing to the group that her brother is outside and she will be going home now and retiring for the night, instead of that, she's like, wait, my brother's outside.
I kind of don't want to leave all of a sudden.
Jen and Matt McCabe are like we'll drive you home so she goes out into the snow and I guess with no intention of leaving she walks up to the pickup truck and she asks her brother and his friends do you guys want to come inside we're drinking and having fun brother is like no I absolutely do not I want to go home do you want to go or not she's like no I'm gonna catch a ride with the McCabe's instead.
So she goes back inside the house and this whole thing is so confusing because on one hand she says that the McCabe's offered her a ride.
On the other hand she's like well when I went out there to talk to my brother I didn't know that I was going to get a ride from the McCabe.
It's just confusing.
But a big part of her testimony is Julie states that she sees a dark -colored SUV outside the house, potentially Karen's car, but she states that she doesn't notice that car when she goes outside to talk to her brother.
She thinks that the car pulled She's pulled up near the end of her conversation with her brother.
Okay. And then when she gets back inside, she looks out the window and that's when she notices, hey, there's a car out there, but she doesn't mention anything.
She just takes a note of it.
And later when she looks outside the window, it's pulled up near the flagpole and she's asked, when it was pulling up, Ms. Nagel, it wasn't going like 50 miles per hour, correct?
I mean, I didn't have a radar gun on me, but no. Ryan Nagel then testifies.
And this is during the first trial.
He says that he was at a restaurant called The Hillside.
And he gets a text message from his sister.
And he's there with Ricky and Heather.
And he decides that they're going to pick up Julie after they're done eating.
Ryan is like, I don't know how long I was there.
Probably for another 40 minutes because Julie never said she was in a rush.
So it's just like, can you pick me up on your way home?
They stay for another 40 minutes before finally leaving for the Albert residence, which is about a seven minute drive.
And as they're pulling onto the street of Fairview Road, they notice another dark colored suv and ricky the driver he lets them pass so he's they're at like an intersection and he's like okay you go first that car is karen reed and john o 'keefe they park right in front of 34 fairview and ryan ricky and heather park behind them so they okay flagpole is on the right side driveway is on the left side mailbox is left side front door is kind of center now they're saying that they're parked kind of blocking the driveway maybe towards the mailbox this suv is probably past the front door but nowhere near
the flagpole got it so just kind of smack dab in the middle ryan testifies that he never sees anyone get out of the suv while he's there now side note there are random inconsistencies between julie and ryan nagel's testimonies i don't know if they're of importance but just to put it out there julie is firm that when she walked out the front door and walked down the walkway to see her brother he's saying she came out the side door she's like no i came out the front door she claims he rolled down the window to talk to her he's like no i opened the passenger seat door because it's a truck so in order
for her to get into the back seat i have to open the passenger front door it's like one of those stores that you got to open both you know those trucks yeah yeah yeah yeah no but the biggest problem in their testimonies is julie states that the dark colored suv is not there when she goes goes out to talk to her brother ryan nagel says that dark colored suv got there before we got there and we passed it on our way out julie says well it was like the suv wasn't there when my brother was there it was before when i was inside i noticed it so she like it's very confusing now she's saying like it was there
before she went outside prosecutor lally confirms with her and so at the time that you were talking to your brother in the pickup truck was the suv still still there i don't believe so no meanwhile ryan nagel is testifying he notices the suv the whole time the whole time he noticed the brake lights were on nothing was wrong with the taillight he didn't see anybody get out of the suv it was kind of inching forward it wasn't driving weirdly it just looked like it was inching forward and forward and that's it eventually they leave because julie's not coming and they drive past the suv and ricky heather
and ryan nagel testified that the dome light like the inside light of the car is on and they only see a woman on the driver's seat with her hands on the 10 and 2 on the steering wheel no man no man what the defense tries to infer that john o 'keefe probably already went inside and these three were just not really focusing on the suv you know they mentioned multiple times it's not like they were they didn't really care about who was in the suv they're on their phones they're talking to each other they're talking to julie at any point john o 'keefe could have gone inside and they didn't see it now
the prosecution is arguing well the dome light the inside light automatically turns on when the car door opens so they're saying john just opened the car door and karen's about to like do a three -point turn and hit him oh because the taillight is fine there's no man on the lawn yes you know the where's john so it's all happening at the same time so the prosecution is saying as they're passing they're passing the driver's side so karen's blocking their view they can't see that john just got out the defense is kind of inferring what kind of crazy coincidence is that it would make more sense that john
o 'keefe is inside the house and karen is just waiting for him and she's getting agitated because also the prosecution theory is that they were fighting And then she ran him over.
But all three of them testified there was no screaming.
There was no yelling they heard. If he's leaving as they're fighting, I would imagine that she's screaming.
So based on the fact that they don't see a broken taillight, they don't see anybody on the front lawn, and they don't see John inside the car, it's either he is right outside the car or he is inside the house.
Those are really the only two options.
but the biggest question that never gets answered is julie nagle wanted to go home at 12 15 a .m she has been there since 6 p .m for over six hours now she's ready to go home her brother's almost here all of a sudden she changes her mind and decides that she's going to stay two more hours with jenn mccabe and it almost seems like jen mccabe and matt mccabe want them to stay there's almost a little bit of convincing of like oh my gosh well it just passed midnight it's now brian's birthday it wasn't yesterday it's brian's birthday now why don't you get your brother to come in now this is a crazy risky
theory that netizens have but some netizens theorize that all the senior alberts needed them here because they're the best alibi otherwise it's just a bunch of family members and that's not gonna look good so the the theory is something happened in the the basement but julie had no idea the theory is that john came around back into the basement entrance for some reason maybe someone came out through the back and was like hey come in this way um some net is this is again a theory an allegation we could all just have vivid imaginations that have really just no connection to truth or reality we could be
completely delusional but some netizens believe that he came around back to the basement walked down the steps entered the basement where brian atf brian and brian albert and perhaps even colin some people put call in there some people don't it really depends who you are and what theory you go with they're in the basement a fight breaks out he passes away relatively quickly because it's a very um fatal head wound where he becomes immediately incapacitated so there's not a lot of noise there's not a lot of screaming maybe there's some barking from chloe maybe maybe not they're kind of all drunk
they're They're on the first floor.
And Jen McCabe, Nicole Albert is like, well, why don't you guys stay?
They're kind of mediating.
I don't know why they would say that nobody was in the basement, though.
Everybody was hanging out in the main floor.
Oh, is that what they said?
So that's the part that gets me.
However, this girl, Julie Nagel, I don't see her as a very reliable witness.
Why is that? just the way that she's testifying on the stand it just even the the fact that she said that karen's car wasn't there when she went outside i don't know if she's perhaps was too drunk that night to remember or recall details well she just doesn't give she gives me like she's very big fans of the mcalberts she also calls jennifer mccabe jj julie nagle does testify that when she She does finally leave Fairview Road.
It's Matt McCabe driving, Jen McCabe in the front, and then Julie Nagel, Sarah Levinson in the back.
And she says that as they're leaving, she looks out the window and she's like furthest away from the Albert house.
So she's right behind the driver's side, which means Jen in the passenger side and Sarah Levinson next to Julie are going to be closest to the Albert residence.
She looks through the window and she sees what she calls a, quote, black blob on the lawn near the flagpole.
and she says did you guys see that that's crazy and the prosecutors are asking her no the defense is also asking her can you say how big the blob was five to six feet she says in the car something along the lines of did you guys see that i think i see something she says i did say out loud i was like i think i might have seen something i'm not kind of sure what it was but i was also intoxicated drinking so i didn't really know what i saw but sarah was like what julie and i was like i don't know what it was and then that was kind of really it matt mccabe denies this conversation ever happened he
says if it happened he didn't hear it at all because that calls into question well first of all why don't they do anything about it you don't think it's weird that your friend pulls up and is parking near that area and they never come in they don't text you back they don't pick up your phone calls afterwards and then now someone sees a black blob that's huge or see something i feel like i would have just stopped but let's say you don't stop that night jen mccabe the next morning she gets a phone call you didn't think that she would put two and two together i'm like wait a minute i did see their
car outside now karen's saying that john never came home and then oh my god julie nagel last night was like i saw something on the lawn but no she's like we gotta go search john's house again it's weird what time did all of them leave they said they left around like 1 30 145 and julie nagel they drive past this black blob she goes home the next Next day, she says she puts two and two together when she realizes John O 'Keefe was found in the lawn.
She's like, oh my gosh.
Now what does she do with this information?
Nothing. She never talks about this black blob like ever again.
So a lot of people think that she's making it up for the sole purpose of placing John there.
When did she release that information?
It's October 2022. And then the trial is when she starts talking about how the blob was six feet tall.
like it's a very large black blob six feet long yeah six feet long okay the defense even questions it that publicly everyone by that point was like how can nobody see how did nobody see leaving the house and then suddenly julia's like wait you guys i saw yeah and it's weird that none of them like jim mckay or matt mckay or anybody said that oh yeah i didn't see but julie said she saw this so sarah she'll testify later that they already had driven past the flagpole by the time she looked so i guess she's trying to explain like her reaction time was too slow so julia's like i see something over
there and then sarah's like and they've already they're now looking at the neighbors on jennifer mccabe is like i was turned around literally body twisted towards the back seat so i could have a little conversation with them and we were joking about pb and j sandwiches oh you remember pb and j but you don't remember most everything else that's crazy yeah and if you thought that was weird if you thought that was weird you're in for a treat because jen mccabe later on jen mccabe texts julie nagel for screenshots of text messages between julie nagel and ryan nagel about what time she texted him to
come pick her up and what time he texted her that he was here why does jennifer mccabe need those text messages correct and why does she need screenshots correct okay that's what they're asking the defense is asking julie when jennifer mccabe as you call her jj asked you for screenshots of the text messages that you had with your brother did jen mccabe tell you that she was investigating this case no and you have no memory of providing those screenshots to any investigator other than jen mccabe correct i don't remember no why would she need those why would jen mccabe need those now do we know
when did jen mckay ask for that information yes that's going to be in part three because there's so much i have to group jen mccabe's all of her stuff together because she's got so much weird stuff that she does and i feel like each one one by one it's so small but then collectively it's a mountain yeah yeah yeah and then sarah levenson she has known birthday brian for the past 10 years she's also in that car she states that she never saw anybody go near near the basement she never saw anybody on the front lawn she was so focused on getting to the car without slipping that she didn't even look
at the lawn she was looking at her feet nobody saw anything on the lawn that's it and then by the time that julie says did you guys see that she it was passed the neighbor's house now a few interesting things come out of sarah's testimony she says that at one point matt mccabe forgot his coat inside so he has to leave the car go back into the house to get his coat matt mccabe is like that never happened so it's weird i don't know if if that's a huge discrepancy oh and side note she is asked another detail and she says at the time they were the last ones to leave you believed that brian higgins
and caitlyn albert had left before you correct i believe so so remember caitlyn albert why did her timeline change we don't know but sarah's like i'm pretty sure we left after her but caitlyn says she left the lot latest none of this is crazy it's just like everyone's just saying random story it makes you it almost invalidates everyone's story yeah now it's like we don't know who's who to trust man is it frustrating to to hear these like story and you were telling me like even their first and second trial their stories so many different yeah like ryan nagle has some slight changes in his story
i would i like to think that he's more of an innocent witness of of maybe it's time, maybe it's memory, maybe it's just bias that creeps in during that time period.
Sarah, on the other hand, I have some questions about her discrepancies.
I'm gonna go more deep into this in part three, because we're gonna do a whole deep dive on Khloe as well.
But in trial one, Sarah's like, yeah, of course I met Khloe.
I've been BFFs with Brian Albert Jr. for the past 10 years.
Of course I've met Khloe.
And then the second trial, the defense is like, you've never met chloe right and she's like no what have you met chloe have you not met chloe it's not that hard of a question i mean you would vividly remember if you met one of your best friend's dogs in the decade that you've known them wow so there's a lot i mean i don't know if that's an innocent mistake i was trying to wrap my head around how it could be innocent because i tried try to give the benefit of the doubt but it was just very weird yeah it was weird now all of them say that colin albert left at 12 10 a .m brian albert jr says well
my cousin colin arrived at the house at some point i don't recall how he knew i was at my house but at some point he did call me and said oh are you still at your house i said yes he said do you mind if i come and i said no of course you're welcome to come by so he stops by at around 10 45 to 11 p .m but when the albert parents get home Colin gets up and says that he's getting picked up he states by the time Jen and Matt McCabe walk in he's already gone he doesn't even see them Julie Nagel is also saying that Colin left around sometime around 11 30 11 45 before midnight which is not matching what they're
saying but that could be a drunk discrepancy I don't know however in her testimony she states Colin left and was not there when any of the adults get back so it's just weird during the first trial colin albert does testify and he does state he was 17 turning 18 at the time of john's death he was a senior in high school he was four months away from graduation and he's 20 now that he's testifying he says that friday night he went to a guy named mike's house his buddy named mike who was there i don't remember what did you do at mike's house i don't remember how did you get to mike's house i do not remember
did you get a ride from someone yes do you recall from who you got a ride no how much did you drink at mike's house i do not remember side note this is the prosecution questioning him he's supposed to be in friendly territory right now i mean he very well is and these are his responses but after this mysterious mike's house colin testifies that he goes to 34 fairview road because quote it was my cousin brian's birthday so i went over to celebrate for a little bit with him do you know how old your cousin was turning on that night i don't know here's something he does know though which is he got
a ride to 34 fairview from ally mccabe so he's saying ally mccabe jen mccabe's daughter brian albert's cousin from his mom's side no familial blood relation to call in albert but like cousins cousins right yeah yeah ali mccabe drives to mysterious mike's house picks up colin albert and then they drive to the albert residence this is where it gets weird so first of all he's asked about his connection with ali mccabe and he just says it's my cousin's cousin so technically not my cousin but we're close and we like do family events and stuff like that together they've known each other since they were born
colin testifies ali mccabe gives him a ride he ends up at the albert residence at around 10 30 11 p .m which is not the most time efficient thing because he claims colin claims he has a midnight curfew okay so he's got to go home and again he's not driving he doesn't have a car so he's got no plan just vibes and his curfew is coming up in like an hour he's in the kitchen he says he's chugging bud light okay chugging is an exaggeration on my part he's drinking blood Bud Light.
He's having many alcoholic beverages, but he says that he wasn't intoxicated.
Nobody at the party was.
Colin says he's about there for maybe an hour and decides to go back home at 1210 a .m. Colin says Allie McCabe was going to drive him home.
He waits for her to send him a text that says, I'm here.
Now, this is what's weird to me.
Allie has no intention of coming inside the Albert residence.
That doesn't make sense because it's not like Allie and Colin's relationship if anything ali is also brian albert jr's direct cousin so she's not even going to pop in for two seconds to say happy birthday yeah weird so then colin says he gets that text message right as brian and nicole albert are walking in the house he's walking out to see ali mccabe and we are to assume that ali mccabe picks colin albert up and misses her own mom by like two seconds so he rushes into the car that's all he remembers he doesn't remember which side of the driveway ali parked the car whether there was someone else
in the car or not whether there was anybody else in the car after she dropped him off what side of the car he got into he doesn't remember anything at all i get it sometimes these memories mean nothing because like let's say two years down the road i say hey what did you do two years ago on this random cousin's birthday you're not gonna remember but if the next day something very eventful happens you're gonna gonna hindsight and memorize everything so if it's your cousin's birthday and the next day a traumatic incident happens you're gonna replay all the events of yesterday and it's going to be
singed into your memory forever colin says he gets dropped off walks into the bedroom tells his parents that he loves them good night that's kind of what he's expected to do at around 12 30 now 12 15 ish and then he goes to his room and he falls asleep that's it while he was at 34 fair of you he didn't witness anything strange abnormal nothing i mean he really only saw everyone hanging out that was it he didn't run into anybody else nothing of importance comes out of this but why did everyone forgot to mention your name then exactly that is how annoying he is during the direct examination it's
time for his cross where he forgets just about everything minus his name when he is asked about how he prepared for the trial with anyone he says nobody then he later is like oh yeah with the prosecutor and he's asked so why did you say with nobody i mean it's to be expected that you prep why did you say no he's like well i don't even remember what we talked about in that session even though it was one month prior to the testimony he doesn't remember what questions he practiced with ali he doesn't remember the questions he gave ali nothing and there is this unhinged moment where defense attorney
jackson is like well you've probably you've been thinking about this case a lot for the past two and a half years?
No. How long have you been thinking about this case?
Since I guess people started writing about me on the internet.
How about since you were at a house where an individual ended up dead on the lawn the next morning, did that prompt you to start thinking about this case?
No. Not so much, huh?
Nope. You watched any coverage on this case online?
Nope. No social media?
No, I don't have social media lie okay literally a lie he's on snapchat no news coverage nope so literally according to you you know zero about the media coverage concerning this case commonwealth versus karen reid correct did he not just say that he only started caring about this case once people online started talking about him the defense continues to ask him very simple questions such as did you talk to ali before her testimony no when was the last time you talked to ali before she testified i don't remember give me an idea she's one of your best friends a week ago a day ago a month ago i
don't remember couldn't have been a year ago i do not remember could it have been five years ago no okay so it was more recently than five years ago that you spoke to ally mccabe i don't remember so you have no independent recollection as you sit here the last time you talked to one of your best friends and your cousin about any subject no i don't remember were you ever told in your preparation for your testimony if you start to get stumped or nervous just say i don't remember nope nobody ever told you that no sorry it's okay so nobody ever informed you that you might get nervous on the witness
stand there might be tough questions easiest way to get out of them is just say yeah i don't recall no so you just don't recall because your memory is that bad your testimony is you were not instructed to say i don't remember you literally just don't remember correct it's an issue with your memory not an instruction that you received right but you do remember two and a half years ago you left 34 fairview at 12 10 a .m correct down to the minute correct got it i need someone to check this one for a brain tumor for early onset dementia because the amount of i don't remember said he utters in his testimony
it got so bad that the defense straight up asks him do you remember anything about this case no and there is something he remembers like how he slipped on the driveway and landed straight on his knuckles oh that's right remember that that's right he remembers that very well.
Allie McCabe also testifies the same day and she testifies the night before that she ever drops Colin off at 34 Fairview and picks him up.
She's hanging out with friends from school and then she just starts driving around.
At one point she sees a dog on the side of the road and they knew that a snowstorm was coming so they pick up the dog, brought it to the police station, and then drove the dog back to the owner's house once they found out who the owner of the dog was.
us. Now this is a huge point of contention.
Ali describes the small dog as being a small white dog, not sure what type.
This is contentious in the fact that people online have been saying how can you spot a tiny dog in a blizzard but you don't spot a full grown adult on your front lawn.
Now to be fair I will argue that there was no snow accumulating on the ground however it likely was pretty dark.
If you can spot a small dog I feel like you could probably spot a person.
It's weird. She states that she gets a text message from Colin to pick her up and drive him to 34 Fairview.
Within an hour, she gets another text message from Colin asking her to pick him up from 34 Fairview and drop him off at his house.
She's a free Uber driver at this point.
But she goes to pick him up.
She states he gets inside the car and right after dropping him off at his house, back to his house.
This is 1210. Now it's probably like 1215.
she goes straight home the defense attorney is asking do you know about what time it was that you got home not exactly i would estimate a little before 12 30 or around that time she says that her parents were not home by the time that she gets back and how much time was it in between the time when you're not home around 12 30 or so and when you went to sleep not long i don't know ali also doesn't recall what time she woke up but both of her parents were home at that point which colin says that he was dropped off at around 12 10 a .m ali is saying she got home at around 12 30 they live relatively
close together but it's snowing she's driving a little slower the the times are supposed to check out but they don't because ali mccabe has a life 360 app and the app on her phone shows that she does not get home immediately in fact she does not get home until 1 32 a .m what's a life 360 it's when parents and you can track your whole family on life 360 that is an entire hour discrepancy yeah which is fine i guess except she's saying that she drove colin home and then immediately went home so what time did colin get home yeah does it not track her location it does and there are some concerns about like
it's it there's like a circle a border this is like like the school zone this is the home zone so it doesn't track what street you're on at what time it's just like at this time you enter this radius that is known as the home zone what's interesting though is colin albert and allison mccabe they say well we actually have proof of the time live 360 don't trust it we have text message proof of colin texting ally can you you pick me up.
Ali texting him, I'm here.
And that's around 12, 1210.
And she gives these screenshots over to the investigators and they're entered into evidence.
I mean, this was entered into evidence for a really long time and she's asked by the defense, why didn't you turn this in immediately?
And she says, well, it wasn't relevant.
Colin had not been introduced as being in the house at the time.
Okay, wow. Then she says, it's also not relevant because colin wasn't there when john was there does that mean when john was in the car at 12 30 a .m or is that when john was in the house right a lot of netizens have pointed out that right after this line of questioning where she has these two little slip -ups where people thought oh that's not good she immediately starts um she is asked about how she's been harassed there's a whole side story of witness tampering and harassment of witnesses mainly the mcalberts of people believing that they're guilty and harassing them in person calling them cop
killers and okay she does start crying about it and she talks about how people have been calling her school half the netizens think that this is a very genuine response of a young girl who probably didn't want to be involved in any of this and it seems like she's roped into it through her mom jen mccabe if there's anything to even be roped into these are all theories these are all conspiracies the other half of netizens think that she is crying not because of the harassment but because this comes right after the line of questioning where she slips up twice now does she explain why she her app
showing that she got home at 1 30 she's like well that's not accurate okay eventually colin hands over the thread of text messages between ally and colin and that shows ally texting him that she's here to pick him up he's responding coming okay so the date at the top it says january 28th 2022 11 54 p .m the date looks a little weird it's january 28 comma 2022 comma at 11 54 p .m a lot of iphone users are like what's the second comma doing there we don't know what that second comma is that's a weird second comma there's a text from colin to ally that reads you can come get me now if easier she responds
okay i'm driving people home now word get me after kk then at 12 10 am ally arrives outside the albert residence allegedly and text here colin responds okay Which is reasonable evidence that she did indeed pick him up at the time that they're saying, except what's submitted into evidence is just a screenshot.
These are not the original text messages.
There's no metadata.
These are screenshots.
Anybody over the age of, like, six years old could probably forge a text message in this day and age.
First of all, it's not that hard to change the date on your phone and text yourself all sorts of nonsense to make it look like something happened at a given date when it really did not happen at that given date the defense even points to this in their line of questioning because they say well that's weird because you have these text messages between you from january 28th 2022 yeah and january 29th and then you guys don't text until february 20th 2022 so the theory amongst a lot of netizens is that they went deleted all their messages messages from january 29th to february 20th so today is february
20th 2022 jelly we gotta forge some messages allegedly this is the conspiracy we have to forge some messages but we've been texting for a month we gotta delete all these messages then we have to go enter the time manually change the time on our phone and start texting as if it's january 28th january 29th of 2022 and then once we do that we change the date back to the original date february 20th 2022 and then we can start texting like normal again but if you keep the date if you change the date and you already have text messages from that date it could not work yeah yeah so they don't text for nearly
a month after the incident not a single text people believe that they were texting it doesn't make sense they're both arguing that well we kind of switch between platforms so we just moved over to snapchat and the defense is like oh snapchat the place that automatically deletes messages wow colin is like well i i don't know if my settings are like that and they're like do you have your phone are your settings like that he's like i don't remember yo this is others say it doesn't even look like they went through the effort of changing the date it looks like they photoshopped the date it just looks
bizarre because in another situation when you are texting someone at 11 58 p .m it's gonna have that date at the very top it's gonna gonna say january 28th at 11 58 p .m and then the minute that 12 o 'clock hits 1201 you send a new message there's gonna be a new date header there's none can somebody like chat fact check that because if that's true is that really what happens immediately the day the next day that's what everyone says on reddit and i was like i should try this and i suddenly morphed into a 70 year year old and i was like i don't know how to manually set the date that seems crazy maybe i
will tonight wow yeah that's just so much shadiness some people also think that this is not even it's misrepresenting the truth some people think that ali mccabe picked up colin albert from From his buddy Mike's house at 1210.
And then together they went to the Albert residence.
That would make sense because his birthday is past 12.
Both of them are cousins.
And previously the text message before January 28th at 1150 something p .m. The one right above it said something along the lines of Colin texting Allie McCabe.
Mikey is making me do shotguns now.
Ha ha ha ha ha. and that was early in the morning and it seemed like it was just a completely different day but that could have been the original date and they just didn't delete that much so people think that they went over to the albert residence at 12 10 and they went home at 1 30 yes also like if the app live 360 or whatever isn't that a very important app for location for tracking tracking i would say that the witnesses in this case do not believe in the concept of technology oftentimes it seems like technology is a very erroneous method of data any of them confronted with anything digitally
that they've done yeah i don't know it's about that i don't know well i i didn't pick it up so at &t must have it wrong that's the energy yeah i wonder what life 360 360's main mission is as an app and if they fail at the fundamental like the most basic feature of yours how do you explain if you guys have life 360 how accurate are the backtracking of locations i'm so curious about that but also another interesting thing is there is an invisible car there's so many threads of mysteries there's the thread of mystery of what time did colin get there what time did he leave there's also a question that netizens
have of was allison mccabe there for a long time did she go inside and everyone is just omitting her name like they omitted collins but now the story is okay well she picked him up so she definitely couldn't have been inside the house for a long time are they all doing this to protect children in the family that's been a big question, but there is this invisible Jeep theory.
Birthday Brian is asked, was there anything in between Ryan Nagel's friend's truck and Karen's dark SUV that you saw outside?
He says, not to my knowledge.
I didn't see anything.
No. Only the older people seem to be able to see a Jeep with a giant snow plow attached to the front parked right in front of the mailbox.
Ryan Nagel and his friends state that they parked perpendicular to the driveway right behind the mailbox and they can see karen's suv in front of them they don't see a jeep with a giant snowplow attached to it parked right in front of the mailbox only the adults see it brian albert brian higgins nicole albert jen mccabe and matt mccabe all the young people do not see a jeep who's jeep would that be that's It's so random.
Brian Higgins' Jeep.
Oh. Nobody sees the Jeep.
What? Julie Nagle walks outside to talk to her brother in the pickup truck that supposedly, according to these older Albert McAlberts, right behind the Jeep, she doesn't see a Jeep.
But she also doesn't see Karen's car, so I don't know.
Are they misremembering collectively about a Jeep?
Or is it an intentional lie about the Jeep?
And if it is, why are they lying about the Jeep?
This Jeep also has a giant snowplow in front of it.
It's like an attachment and it just makes it longer and it's a pretty, it looks like a giant shovel and you can lift it up.
It's got lights on it.
Some people think that John O 'Keefe was actually hit by the snowplow on the Jeep and not Karen's car.
I don't know how the physics of that would work, but there are lots of questions of, is Brian Higgins the killer?
That's what a lot of people think.
However, the only thing that doesn't make sense with that theory, if you just don't even count in like forensic evidence, is the fact that the McAlberts are way too involved.
And if it was ATF Brian, someone that is not part of the family, they would throw him under the bus so quickly.
People are commenting, I don't think the McAlberts would be going through all these hoops just for Brian Higgins.
Colin was involved some way.
some people think allison mccabe was there for a lot longer she was inside the house is what some people are assuming i don't know i i think colin is very suspicious i feel very sympathetic towards allison mccabe in the sense of if she is not telling the truth it seems like a lot of people believe she's stuck in a position where if you believe in the conspiracy she's forced to say these things a lot of people say there is no way that the mcalberts are going through all of this for brian higgins which means colin must have been involved in some way shape or form one netizen says i think the insistence
that it wasn't colin has been the main factor in convincing everyone that it was colin so why would it be colin does it have anything to do with the fact that there are allegations there are conspiracy theories that this part of the albert family Chris, Julie, and Colin Own D &E pizza shop That might be A drug front Again a conspiracy But it is interesting When you think about the fact that At the waterfall bar Karen kept asking To go to D &E Instead of 34 Fairview Really?
Why? She said she wanted to go after hours To make a pizza because sometimes they do that They kept saying no What's also interesting is that Chris Albert, who was at the waterfall, was the one that invited John O 'Keefe out that night.
Yeah, which is strange, correct?
Yes, and you know what's also strange?
John O 'Keefe, before he went on these night outings, he went with his nephew to D &E Pizza that day for lunch. That day?
That day. That he died?
Yes. Huh. And he told his superiors and he told members of Canton Police Department that he did notice drug activity in the neighborhood.
Who was also his neighbor?
And that is the conspiracy that we will be covering in part three, along with the accident reconstructionists.
I try to be very wary of conspiracies.
I think that they typically do more harm than good.
i think in this case in this situation a lot of these conspiracies i can't even judge i think had this been any other case a lot of the far -fetched conspiracies we could probably try to disprove it probably even try to say guys we should maybe go outside and get some fresh air yeah but the law enforcement on this case is like i don't know i don't know i don't know i think every single witness is not doing themselves a favor i think conspiracies are born when people act and behave so suspiciously i think this is also a really strong representation of how a lot of people feel about law enforcement
officers at this point in time i mean there's just no trust between law enforcement officers and the communities these days and i think this is a direct reflection of that as well on top of these guys are just weird what are your thoughts wow my brain is fried what is going on where i leave you with part two we will be back for part three and part four and if you can believe it it gets worse with that being said stay safe and i will see you in the next one You think he's got what it takes to be High Five's best?
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