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Hey, and welcome to The Short Stuff.
I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, sitting in for Dave, and this is stuff you should know.
Short Stuff. That's right.
We're talking about tornadoes, again, on the show.
We've talked plenty about tornadoes, and tornado alley even, but we're going to talk more about it, because probably since we did the last update on tornado alley, it seems like it might be changing a bit, right?
Yeah, definitely for sure.
And just even classifying tornadoes, I'm sure we talked about the changeover, because it would've happened before we talked about it, but it would've been really new.
So, yeah, there's a lot to dig into about tornado alley and tornadoes.
One of the first things to understand is that tornado alley is a contested area of the United States, of North America, but the United States in particular, that runs essentially from Texas...
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It starts in Texas.
It goes all the way up to the Dakotas.
But it also veers over.
It bends, and hits like Iowa, Indiana, Ohio.
And the reason this is considered tornado alley is because it has the most tornadoes of anywhere else in the United States, which means that it has more tornadoes than anywhere else in the world.
And the reason that is because it has the perfect conditions for tornadoes to develop.
All right, so tornado -producing conditions that you mentioned are...
They form through instability in the atmosphere.
So, a lot of moist, warm air beneath that cooler, drier air.
And then something called wind shear, which is when winds are changing with height.
Like, the winds are changing, and they're changing at different height levels.
And if you've got that, then you've got a pretty good recipe for a tornado, and it just so happens that those states that you mentioned have a lot of that kind of weather happening thanks to where they are, basically.
Yeah, so warm, moist air comes up from the Gulf of Mexico, and cooler, drier air comes from the West, like, say, the Rockies, and they converge in that area that's tornado alley.
And when you've got those two factors, like you said, the wind shear and the instability, supercell thunderstorms can break out, and that's what spawn tornadoes.
And so anywhere you find that, where there's instability and wind shear, a tornado can break out, and they do break out outside a tornado alley all the time.
Bad ones. Yeah, for sure.
And yeah, it's not even North America.
There's a longstanding myth that we probably talked about, about whether there's tornadoes outside of North America.
And there are, but it's just that there's so many more in North America, you can forgive people for thinking they're just a North American phenomenon.
Yeah, and the other thing too is, in the areas that you described as tornado alley, at least a lot of them have these big wide -open planes, and that's just kind of become the common thing you think about, is a tornado that you see way far off in the distance coming at you.
And that's not always the case.
When they happen here in the American South, which, you know, we'll get to the fact that that happens a lot more lately, there are a lot more trees, dense forests.
It's not these big wide -open planes.
So it's just not what you typically think of as tornado country, even though they will rip through Georgia or Alabama or Tennessee just as well as they can anywhere else.
Yes, and then we should also say that tornado alley is a fairly recent term.
It was coined in 1952 by a pair of Air Force weather casters, Major Ernest J.
Faubusch agreed, and Captain Robert C.
Miller. And I saw that their method of predicting tornadoes was like 95 percent accurate or something insane like that.
So the coined tornado alley, at about the same time, the records of tracking tornadoes begin, because in the United States our tornado activity records only date back to the 50s.
Yeah, the 1950s. In fact, it was, I guess, just before we started the podcast in 2007, and I guess I remember talking about this being sort of a new thing at the time, like you said, the enhanced Fujita scale or the EF scale for rating tornadoes' intensity or their damage intensity.
So that hasn't even been around that long.
But, you know, how it generally worked was if you're going to count tornadoes, you're literally going to do that.
You're going to have people calling in to the weather service.
You're going to have just regular citizens.
You're going to have maybe people in the government or meteorologists weighing in.
But people reporting tornadoes to the NWS is how they keep track of how many tornadoes they are.
Yeah, and you just know that the citizens that report tornadoes, there's only 10 of them, but they're probably responsible for like 60 percent of the tornado reports.
Yeah, they're into it.
I mean, good for them.
So you don't just take those 10 people's word for it, like you mark where they're saying they saw a tornado, and then you send out trained meteorologists to go check afterwards, see what kind of destruction was there.
Exactly. Put their hand on a railroad track.
And they look at the destruction, and based on the level of destruction, they categorize it with that enhanced Fujita scale.
And that, ultimately, what they're after is classifying it based on presumed or estimated wind speeds, hence the destructiveness of the whole thing.
And then they count it, and that's how they track tornadoes.
And because it's only days back to the 50s and it's still kind of a kludgy way of tracking tornadoes, we're not very good at looking at long -term trends in tornado activity.
We're not there yet, so we're kind of reading tea leaves, as it were.
All right, now I want to go have some tea, so let's take a break.
Okay. And we'll be right back.
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OK, Chuck. So like we said, you can have a tornado outside a tornado alley.
Sorry, everybody. They just happen there with more frequency.
There's also plenty of less powerful tornadoes, too.
That happened in tornado alley.
But there also, they seem to be also popping up in the southern, southeastern U .S.
with much greater frequency and much more destructiveness than it seems like there used to be.
And that's actually a point of contention.
Not everybody agrees with that.
But there's a thought that, there's a school of thought that tornado alleys migrating eastward.
Yeah, they're calling this new tornado alley Dixie Alley.
Some people are calling it that.
Other people are saying, like, no, that's not even a thing.
And again, these are the ones that are going maybe through a forest or something, or in the case of Atlanta, that one year like in the city of Atlanta, which is very scary and weird.
But there's not really a tornado season like you think of in traditional tornado alley.
They can pop up whenever.
I think it's more likely here in the south to have a tornado in late winter to early spring and in the northern plains, it's usually summertime.
But all you need, and these are the meteorologists and tornado people try to hammer home.
And it's like, yeah, maybe there's a tornado season, you know, quote unquote season.
But like, it's an atmospheric condition.
And that can happen at any time, in any place really, as long as those conditions are met.
Right, exactly. So like you said, some people are just like, no, that's not actually a thing.
It's not really moving.
The reason that a lot of people say it's moving is because of climate change.
It just makes sense, right?
That as the earth warms, if you need warmer humid air underneath colder air to create instability and wind shear, well, then as the earth warms, you're going to have more warmer humid air.
And so, yes, ipso facto.
Tornadoes are going to be breaking out much worse than they were before, much greater frequency and probably in places that, you know, you might as well say tornado alleys expanded, right?
Other people are like, not so fast there, Buster, because yes, there probably will be more warm, humid air.
But because the earth's warming, that also means there will probably be less cooler, drier air.
Right. So you'll have one of the ingredients, but you'll have less of the other ingredient.
So you'll have less wind shear, which means that, I don't know, it might be a wash.
And at the very least, we can't really predict at this point how climate change is going to affect tornadoes.
So sit down. I think that's what the other scientists are saying.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to believe after all this time that this is as far along as we are with tornadoes and I don't know, it just seems like something that you could almost predict at a certain point.
Yeah, because we've been tracking them for a while.
This How Stuff Works article that we're basing this on mentions what's probably the very first report by a European of a tornado in what would become the United States was by Governor John Winthrop, one of the Puritans, if you remember our Puritan episode.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And back in 1643, he recorded a powerful wind that whipped up dust, lifted his meeting house, that's probably the big giveaway, and knocked down a tree that fell on some poor schmo who was killed by it.
Geez. So he said in his logbook, tornadoes, not so pure.
Exactly. Or very pure, depending on how you look at it, I guess.
Yeah. Now that you mention it, you probably saw them as God's wrath for sure.
Do you have anything else?
Yeah, we should mention the movie Twisters because that is a, I guess, I don't know what they call them these days, but not a remake of the original Twister movie.
But it has long been known that Emily, my wife, loves the movie Twister, the first one, one of her guilty indulgences, because otherwise she just basically likes independent film and foreign film and Twister.
And that's always sort of been the joke in the family.
But she was very excited to watch Twisters.
We rented it the other night here at the house.
The three of us watched it, and Twisters gets three big old thumbs down from our family.
No, that's a shame.
This is not very good, unfortunately.
Well, that's a tough act to follow.
I mean, the first one was pretty great.
Yeah. I mean, the cast alone, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt.
It was great. Carrie Elweiss, really just a top -notch movie and holds up.
So I say, don't waste your time with Twisters.
Okay. And I hope no one that made that movie or was in that movie listens to the show, because they're all great otherwise.
Good for you, man. Chuck was very nice at the end there, so of course that means short stuff is out.
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