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I'm Josh. There's Chuck.
Jerry's here too. Dave's not, but Jerry's here for Dave. You know the whole rigmarole.
It's time for short stuff.
So let's go. So Chuck, I'm glad you did that because I think that was a really great segue into this episode on a specific kind of cats.
That's right. We're talking about the Bengal cat.
If you've ever seen a Bengal cat or if you look up a picture online now, when it's safe, it looks like a cross between a leopard and a house cat because that's what it is.
Yeah, full stop. I mean, it's kind of nuts, but there is a small wild leopard cat out there in southern and eastern Asia.
Priona illyrius bengalenesis.
fengalensis. I got it in there somewhere.
Maybe Jerry can chop all that up and edit it into the correct pronunciation.
But it's a tiny little cat that looks a lot like a leopard. And it is a wild cat.
It's not a leopard. It's not even related to the leopard, but it's one half of this type of hybridized breed of cats that people keep as pets today.
Yeah. That people pay a lot of money for.
Oh, I imagine so. Yeah.
They are very willful, athletic cats, and we'll kind of get to their behavior later, but let's go back about 6 million years to talk about how cats came to be.
There were a couple of groups of felines that parted ways.
There was a very, you know, just sort of a regular small -bodied cat that was eventually the common ancestor of both of these groups.
uh one became uh the one that you talked about the uh prionolarus nope yeah i mean that's closer to lures okay maybe yeah uh bingolinusis no bingolinusis you just did what i do you added a whole vowel in there well why don't you take the next one because that one's easy wild leopard cat well no i meant the other lineage the house A prowl cat, Felis caddis.
Yeah, exactly. So those are the two lines.
The Felis caddis is what we, most of us have in our homes that have cats.
But that other one, that leopard cat is, lives in Southern and Eastern Asia.
Like you said, it's a wild cat.
It prowls the forest and grasslands and stuff like that.
And they're not huge.
They're six and a half pounds to maybe 15 and a half pounds.
And although they look like a leopard, they're, you know, like you said, they're clearly not.
They're small by comparison.
No, but like a leopard, they're covered in rosettes.
That's what leopard spots are called.
And then the little plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.
That's a common crossword clue, by the way, aglets.
Great. Yeah, if you know those two things, you don't need to know anything else in the world because they'll just kind of open up all the doors you need from that point on.
That's right. But rosettes, they're the little patches of fur, the little spots that leopards have. And that's one of the main characteristics of the Bengal cat hybrid breed.
Do you want to take an early break or do you want to keep going?
What do you think? I say we keep going.
We're only a few minutes in.
OK, well, let's talk about Willard Centerwall then.
Yeah, this is a guy that is initially responsible for this crossbreed, because in 1971, when he was a professor at Loma Linda University in California, California, he was working on trying to solve feline leukemia.
And apparently that Bengal cat is resistant to feline leukemia.
So he started working with hybridizing these cats to see what he could learn about this, scientifically speaking, to help save cats.
Yeah. And we should say, I mean, there's a lot of people who are very not happy with the idea that people are hybridizing cats and creating designer cat breeds when there's tons of shelter cats that need to be be adopted.
Willard Senterwall though, he seems to have just, he did this innocently.
Like he wasn't trying to create a new designer breed of cat that he could sell.
He was doing it for scientific research. Enter another breeder, Jean Mill, who actually was a purposeful breeder of this new hybrid breed of cats, what became the Bengal cat.
She collaborated with Senterwall and she was a conservationist. And that won't make any sense for a little while, but we'll, oh no, I'll bring it in now.
The reason that she, a conservationist, was involved in creating a hybridized cat was because she thought that if you got little cats out there that looked like leopards, it would make people more empathetic toward leopards in the wild and hence would dry dry up the market for leopard skin coats, and may even help conserve wild leopard populations because people adopted like what looked like a little baby leopard at home.
Yeah. And it is not lost on us that her last name was Mill.
Save your email. And we'll mention one more guy before we break, a breeder named Bill Engler, who is a zookeeper and animal importer, worked a lot with exotic animals.
And he had a leopard cat named Shaw in the early 70s, and he breeded them and created a bunch of Bengal kittens.
And I don't believe this, but people have surmised because his name was Bill Angler, that the name Be -Engle came from B.
Engler. But I think it's clearly from that Asian leopard cat's name.
So much so that I don't know why people even came up with the other idea.
Agreed. I think that's break time, huh?
Yeah, let's do it. We'll be right back.
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So these cats, even though I'm completely against this kind of thing and selling pets like this at like for two grand a pop, they're amazing looking.
looking. They're incredible.
They're gorgeous little tiny leopards.
The rosettes can take various forms. They can be kind of pointy.
They can kind of look like arrowheads.
They can be more circular.
They can look like paw prints.
The marble -coated Bengal is one of the coolest looking cats I've ever seen.
But again, I don't want to sound like I'm endorsing this kind of anything, you know?
No, but I mean, like these things do exist and they are beautiful to look at.
And they do seem like pretty interesting cats as far as cats go, their personalities and what they demand from you.
I was going to say require, but it seems like a demand.
They're also different colored.
They have different colored coats beneath their rosettes, too, all the way up to white, which imitates snow leopard. So it looks like a mini baby snow leopard essentially running around around your house.
They also have like brown, golden, charcoal gray, silverish, and all these different rosette combinations with different coat combinations means that there's an infinite variety of Bengal kittens just waiting to be bred.
Yeah, they are muscular.
They're very athletic.
Apparently their hind legs are a little taller than the shoulder.
So they look even a little little different than your regular house cat.
They weigh just sort of like the ones in the wild, eight to 15 pounds, which is can be small for a cat.
And they're like I said, they're very energetic.
They like to take walks.
They don't lay around and sleep all day like other cats, apparently.
They like to swim, which is very unique for cats, right?
Yeah. They're into water related activities like swimming.
Yeah. Showering with their owners.
Water skiing. Yeah.
I had wakeboarding but yes I stepped on it that was even better I stepped on yours too so there you go although kneeboard a kneeboarding cat maybe that's the best joke I thought in kneeboarding too I workshopped it very briefly with myself and said wakeboarding's the way to go um the thing is is a lot of people buy these things they're like oh this is going to go with my purse I'm going to carry this cat around whenever I have my purse and then probably ignore it the rest of the time I to have it.
They're buying these cats for their looks, essentially, which is, I mean, kind of one of the things that they're bred for is their looks.
The problem is, even if they're expecting, like, this is a cat I'm going to take care of, most people are totally unprepared for just how different Bengal cats are from your average cat.
Like you said, all the stamina, all the, if they get bored, they're very aggressive.
So you don't want them to get bored because just say bye -bye to your errands, rent furniture, um, like you're like, you are, you're, you're in for it.
If you buy a Bengal cat and take it as your own, you, it's just going to be way more work than the average cat, which can usually amuse itself.
So a lot of people buy two to keep them busy with one another.
Yeah. Uh, yeah. And I guess they have a lot of money because I saw that snow No leopard version can go for like two grand.
I am surprised that's all.
Yeah, I guess so. I can see breeders charging way more than that.
I'm really surprised.
Yeah. That's a value.
Apparently, if they have wild parents or grandparents, it's even worse and they require even more socialization than, you know, which makes sense than the ones who are further removed from that wild lineage.
lineage. And I looked up online, because this article from HowStuffWorks, I'm not sure when it was, but it said, like, Hawaii as a state has put a ban on breeding and ownership.
And then, so I looked up, and there are quite a few states that either have outright bans on ownerships or bans on breeding, or both.
Or if they don't have bans, they have a lot of, like, you have to have a permit and, like, hoops you have to jump through to get one of these these things.
Right. So, yeah, people are kind of standing up and or, you know, cat rescue organizations are obviously standing on their podium and screaming, like, please don't support this kind of thing.
Do not buy hybrid cats.
Yeah. If you ever drive past a strip mall and it says cats or puppies or something, kittens on a sign, you want to keep driving.
Oh, well, unless it's they're doing like an adoption event on the sidewalk.
It's a little different.
I'm talking more like a permanent sign that they would need a sign maker to put up like on the shopping center's directory yeah i just wanted to draw that distinction because that's what they will often do is set up in front of like petco or something yeah uh you me and i were looking once at a petco um before we got mo um and there was there were dogs they had it was so sad they had dogs that had all different kinds of special needs or handicaps kind of sequestered off from the other dog and among these dogs there was a little chihuahua and apparently the only thing unusual about him was that um
he couldn't retract his tongue so his tongue was always sticking out and you had to keep his tongue moist yeah it looks super cute like it was um that's just always stuck with me yeah i mean there's there's a breed of dog that has that tongue out full time right i don't know i think that like the the supposedly ugliest dog on earth that breed whatever it is, that is like patchy hair and looks kind of crazy and has—I think they have their tongue permanently out.
They have a non -retractable tongue?
I guess so. I'll look at—we should do a short stuff on that dog, because I don't like calling an animal the ugliest, whatever.
No, that sounds kind of internet click -baity, you know?
Yeah, agreed. All right.
Well, I think we're at the end of Bengal Cats, eh?
Yes. Okay. See you guys.
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