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Hey and welcome to The Short Stuff.
I'm Josh and there's Chuck and we're sitting in for Dave today.
And this is Short Stuff.
That's right and we are here today to talk about, this is, calling this alt libraries as in alternative libraries.
One reason is because I was on a walk the other day and we have quite a few little free libraries in our neighborhood, and they're all super cute, if you don't know what we're talking about.
They're little boxes usually in the shape of a house or it could be a dog house or it could be a literal library or schoolhouse, just some sort of small housey type structure with a little clear door, and inside are books that you can take a book, you can take a couple books, you can leave a book, and it's just one of the great things.
And I grabbed one, I usually don't even look at them that much because I just have too many books I'm behind on already.
But I, one popped up in my eye, peripheral vision that would be perfect for Ruby.
So I grabbed it, and she's reading it and loving it.
And so I thought we should do a little ode to alt libraries like this.
What was the book? I can't remember, The Last Kids on Earth or something like that.
Oh, that sounds good.
That may not be the title, but that's sort of the premise.
Is she, she might be too old for this, but maybe not.
Has she ever read any of the scary stories to tell in the dark books?
I don't think, and it is actually called The Last Kids on Earth.
It looks like it's a series.
No, that sounds like something right up her alley though.
Okay. Go to eBay and find whatever editions came out in the 80s.
Okay. Because they have some of the greatest illustrations ever that made everything so much more unsettling.
You have to get those watercolor illustrations or else don't even bother.
I'm looking at them now and they are terrifying.
They are. It's so great that I remember being a kid and just being like this is so great.
I feel so alive. Thanks for the rec.
Yeah. There's also more scary stories of tone and dark, pretty much equally good.
So, maybe we should flip it and start with Little Free Library, since I mentioned that one first as inspirational.
But in 2009, how the story goes, and this is straight from their website, a man named Todd Boale from Wisconsin, Hudson, Wisconsin, started it all when he built a little model of a schoolhouse, of a little one room schoolhouse as a tribute to his mom, who is a teacher.
Put it on a post, put some books in it, and said, hey, everyone, if you want a book, take If you wanna drop one off, that'd be great, too.
And it was a big hit.
It was a huge hit actually, so apparently Andrew Carnegie funded, I believe, 2 ,500 plus.
For some reason, everybody says 2 ,508, so I'm guessing that's the number.
Public libraries around the turn of the last century, or early last century.
And there's still plenty around that he essentially partnered with whatever local government and said, I'll give you a bunch of money or I'll throw in half," or something like that.
And that was one of the big pieces of philanthropy he was known for.
So I guess Todd Bowler and Rick Brooks said, let's try to see if we can make 2 ,508 of these things by the end of 2013, which is a couple of years after they started.
And they just blew that goal out of the water.
Yeah, Rich Brooks was the guy like you said he partnered with.
He actually retired from the, which is now an NGO, in 2014, but he, you know, they were pals and he thought it was a great idea.
And again, inspired by Carnegie, they set out to start building these by 2010.
So in 29 is when the first one was built.
By 2010, it was like an established thing that was happening.
They started to give them away.
they had charter signs if it was an official one, engraved with a charter number.
And it just, people were into it, and they started, you know, you see one of these things in your neighborhood.
I remember when I saw the first one, I was like, wow, that's an incredible idea.
And it felt like within that year, we had like six or seven more.
Yeah, I remember the first time I saw one, I didn't get the concept, so I kind of...
You burned it down?
A book that I wanted.
And so I looked around to make sure no one was looking and put it in my jacket and ran off really quick.
I thought you were going to say you got you got a bunch of books and you sold them on eBay.
No, I just took one.
And sold it on eBay?
Yeah, eventually. But I said that when they started, they wanted to make twenty five hundred and eight of these things within a couple of years.
They ended up surpassing that with a year and a half left before their goal date.
And they just kept going from there.
Apparently, Chuck, there's some mind boggling numbers for you.
So, they started in 2009, in 2022, there were more than 150 ,000 Little Free Libraries across the world in 120 different countries.
Yeah, I did not know it had gone international until I started doing this research. It's just incredible.
Like I said, Brooks retired in 2014.
Someone actually wrote in 2015, a woman named Margaret...
Oh, she's a pretty famous author, actually, Margaret Aldrich wrote the little free library book.
So all of a sudden, it's like launching books in and of itself.
They got in 2014, that same year, the Library of Congress Literacy Award. Just like people are lauding it, people are building these things like crazy.
And it's just become one of the cool things that you know, started here in the US and then spread all over the place.
Very sadly, in 2018, Todd Bohl passed away from pancreatic cancer after the launch of their 75 ,000 at the time Little Free Library.
And he was working for them up until the end and has a great quote, I really believe in a little free library on every block and a book in every hand.
I believe people can fix their neighborhoods, fix their communities, develop systems of sharing, learn from each other, and see that they have a better place in this planet to live.
Very sweet. That is a great last interview quote.
Pretty awesome. Alright, well let's take a break and we'll come back and talk about a different kind of Alt library after this.
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Okay Chuck so we already talked about Little Free Libraries which anybody can make and if you want some tips like we said go check out the Little Free library book, if you saw that in a little free library, wouldn't the universe just collapse in on itself?
Yeah, you can also donate to them of course.
Yeah. It's that kind of give a book, take a book thing.
I don't know if we spelled it out or if we needed to, but that's the premise of it, right?
Another thing was called The Human Library.
And this was the result of a couple of who I take to be artists, brothers Ronnie Abrogel and Danny Abrogel.
Yeah, have to be. And they, yeah, they, for a festival in Denmark about the year 2000, they created the human library in Danish.
They call it meneske biblioteket.
But all one word. Yeah, bibliotek is, that's in a lot of languages, right?
Sure. But you add the ET to the N and you've got Danish.
That's right. So what they created with this human library was the concept that the books were human beings, and they were human beings that people might want to get information from.
So there were human beings who were typically looked down upon, mistreated, had different experiences from the mainstream.
So you had books that were trans people, unhoused people, people from different races, and you can check out one of these books, this human book, and hang out with them and ask them whatever question you want and then you take them back and check out another one.
Yeah, it's sort of part performance art, part TED talk in a way.
Just kind of referring to them as books was the hook I think, and obviously something to draw attention to their cause, which is very noble I think.
It started out as a small festival and I think it ran 8 hours a day for over 4 days initially with 50 human books available.
And now, it is an international thing.
They have human libraries in Asia, Africa, Australia, both of the Americas and Europe.
Yeah, I thought this was kind of cute, too.
So, if you're a volunteer as a book… Yeah.
…you go through a vetting process, and then they teach you how to do this.
And they call that getting published.
Yeah, that's pretty fun.
And then once you're published, you can be checked out.
Yeah. And the rules for readers are that you respect the book, be curious, bring the book back on time and in the same condition.
I'm keeping this book.
If you, if you read between the lines, I think bring it back in the same condition means that they don't want any pages stuck together with a booger.
Yeah, don't make your book through your dishes.
No. Don't put your book to work.
That's not what this is about.
Well luckily the book can end the loan anytime they want.
Like if things go pear shaped.
Yeah. They can be like, I'm taking myself back to the library.
Yeah, just stamp my forehead so I can leave. Right.
They also have mobile libraries called Book Depots.
The headquarters for this that it just carried on for the last couple decades.
It's headquartered in Copenhagen, but they have mobile libraries.
And I guess they just go round up the books and they're like, sorry, you're published.
You're coming with us on the road for a little while.
Yeah, you can also like book a group of books or, you know, check out a group of books at One time, like a company can do this and companies have done this.
It's something that companies do, they'll bring in guest speakers and stuff.
And in this case, they're doing it in the form of human books.
They'll bring in a few different people to bring in to talk about things that, again, just sort of like an individual would, like, hey, let's bring in some people that maybe don't even work in our field but might enlighten you to some diverse topics and people and ways of thinking.
So, like Microsoft and Eli Lilly and other brands have gotten together to kind of do this over the years.
Yes. And I think invariably at all of those events there's at least one person who raises their hand and says, so wait, this is just Q &A?
Right. Like, I don't get it.
What's the library thing?
I don't. Yeah, I'm totally confused.
Yeah. And they probably don't get very much out of the experience.
Exactly. Those people never do.
But yeah, it's just sort of a fun hook.
I like stuff like this.
Some people might say it's silly, oh they're not books they're just people and it's just a Q &A.
But I encourage people like that to sort of broaden their horizons, think outside the old box a little bit and CTFT. Just make sure that the person you're dragging off to be checked out is a published book and not just some rando.
No. You don't want to do that.
Hey you're coming with me.
That's called kidnapping.
You got anything else.
I got nothing else, support Little Free Library, support the Human Book Project.
And support all libraries too.
Yeah, those are great also.
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