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Normally, I have a rewatchables coming for you every Monday, but we pushed it to Tuesday this week.
It is going to be What Lies Beneath with Michelle Pfeiffer and Harrison Ford.
We pushed it to Tuesday because I'm going to have another podcast on Monday night.
Sal's coming up in a second.
We're going to break down wildcard weekend.
Uh, some crazy games, the Pat's pulling it off for my sanity on a Sunday night.
We're going to talk about all of that stuff, but we have to come back tomorrow after Steelers Texans to break down that game and then do the last guest align.
So you'll see what happens later in the podcast who's winning.
Um, so the schedule this week, Sunday night, Monday night, Wednesday, And then Thursday.
So four podcasts this week.
And it's a special week because this is the first week.
This is the first podcast actually where our video is actually on Netflix as well as on Spotify.
And you can get the podcast wherever you get it.
But video stays on Spotify.
But we moved the video over to Netflix.
We went live on Netflix.
We were the first podcast that they launched with.
They're launching a whole set of podcasts this week, including a bunch of ringer podcasts, some of our sports podcasts.
We have more pop culture and other stuff coming into the month.
Um, but Sal and I launched it tonight and it was a really fun night because not only did the Patriots win, but Amy Poehler won a golden globe, the first ever podcast award that they that they handed out in the golden globes.
Our own Amy Poehler don't get to say that that often because she belongs to nobody, because she's the best, but she does do a podcast with the ringer and we won a golden globe for uh, for best podcast.
Um beat smartless and we beat um some serious podcast, mel robbins uh, but it was uh, it was a great one, so i was very happy for her.
It's an excellent podcast, we're proud to be associated with it and she's been great to work with.
So congratulations to her, congratulations to the patriots, Not congratulations to a lot of my bets.
We're going to talk about that in a second.
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And I'm deliriously happy because my patron just won, Sal.
We did it.
I don't think people understand what's about to happen, but everyone just buckle up for the most insufferable 90 minutes in Netflix history.
Did James Corden have a Netflix special?
No, he didn't.
I think we might be able to take the record.
How about this?
I'm going to zag on you.
I'm not going to start by talking about the Sunday Night Pats game, because that was the worst of all the games.
Let me give you three storylines from the weekend and you tell me which one. one mattered the most that we're that we're now moving forward into round two josh allen against the world caleb and the never say die bears or san francisco going for the nobody believes in us all decade title because literally nobody believes in them out of those three what do you care about the most i the bears i think is the meatiest the bears interesting yeah okay explain well, it's just so improbable that it keeps happening the same freaking thing over and over and over.
And this was like highly improbable because they were, they were dead.
I mean, should we just get into it?
Like the Packers like, yeah, let's do that first.
Let's do it.
You want to set it up?
31-27.
I mean, first of all, people go after me because I talk about this rivalry.
I'm like, this isn't a great rivalry.
Cut it out.
But the last three Packers-Bears games were better than any of the previous 100.
I mean, we could talk about this until Stranger Things sixth season comes out.
I don't know.
My kids think there's another Stranger Things episode dropping.
Yeah.
I hate to break it to them, but this was Stranger Things right here.
You and I on a Sunday Night Live.
So big picture, Bears fans finally have a QB and a coach.
I think no matter what happens going forward, you at least have those two things.
And Caleb had some unbelievable throws.
But the big one for me, though, is better win or worse loss if you have to pick one or the other.
Was that a better Bears win or was that a more devastating Packers loss?
Wow.
I'm going to say devastating loss.
I mean, it's hard to discount the win, but for God's sakes, 25 points.
You want to give the guys 17 points in the fourth quarter 820 21 whatever, but 25 after you just
They would, he just had them dead to rights, right?
Like he had what?
Three touchdowns at half 154 yards.
Lobby looked so smooth.
Caleb looked like he was coming out of a coma.
He's saying F this job after Duluth, the burden, the pick to the way we ran the road.
I was like, wow, the bears just happened to be here.
Mo the crowd was dead.
Al Michaels was freezing his ass.
Herb streets, dog's tail got frostbite.
I mean, we had it all.
Like, I don't know.
You tell me what happened.
Herb sheet was just focused on that one defensive back on the uh, on the bears and how he was playing hurt.
And that was like his only point he had is trying to process this.
Uh, it was one of the best bears home playoff wins ever.
They scored 25 fourth quarter points.
I had the Packers.
Everyone had the Packers.
That was part of the problem.
Um, I remember not feeling safe really ever, especially with the floor.
It's 21-3.
They had the ball to start the second half.
First, they missed the field goal at the end of the first half.
Start slow the second half.
The Bears are hanging around, but they don't look good.
The crowd's kind of waiting to get into it.
And then all of a sudden it was 21-16.
But then the Packers score.
And they go up 27-16 and the guy misses the extra point.
And Michaels and Herbstreet are just, it just bounces right off them.
Right.
They're like, oh, well, it's still a two possession game.
I'm like, that was huge.
12 points means two touchdowns or you're not getting back.
And it just felt like from that moment on, it became the game from hell for the Packers.
Yeah.
I mean yeah, they look before that.
There were four fumbles that and they didn't recover any of them.
And that was their thing.
The bears, right?
All year.
They were one for five on fourth down conversions, before that crazy pass that we're going to talk to talk about.
And, uh, Yeah, I don't really get what the plan is.
I know everyone wants to kill the floor, but if you're up five.
Me.
I know, but five and a half minutes left.
You're up 11.
I'm fourth down.
At some point, you won the game.
The team's got to kind of come through there.
I just hated that.
I hated the whole thing.
Well, you get four fourth down stops.
You get two Caleb picks.
You have at one point, how big was the lead?
18 and you're up 11.
Yeah.
And you still can't get it done.
But let me take you to, let me see.
It was 21-16.
I know you love this little stretch here.
Yeah, I got to go through this because this drove me crazy.
Bears get the two point right after Green Bay gives up a fourth and eight on the best throw of Caleb's career, which the all 22 of that throw is just the best.
Yep.
Love hits, hits Dobbs for 34, right?
Bears need to stop or the game's over.
Packers are still up three.
Now it is first down on the Bears 33 with 327 left.
And the Bears have to start using timeouts.
Jacobs gets stuff, timeout.
What happens next?
They hit Golden for 12.
Now we're resetting.
Now we're on the Bears 21.
The Bears have already used the timeout.
There's 311 left.
If you just stop this, it's impossible, basically, to lose.
You can run, you can kneel three straight times.
You can take it to the two-minute warning and go up six.
What do they do?
Second down, they throw... an incompletion in the end zone.
Yeah.
They try to hit the tight end on like this high level play that you're up three.
What are you doing that for?
Green Bay timeout at 302 because they don't like the next play.
And then they get a delay game after the timeout.
Right.
And then they throw another end zone pass that's incomplete.
And now they miss a field goal, and Chicago has one timeout left.
And they have three minutes, and all they have to do is go 30 yards for a field goal.
To me, that's like Matt LaFleur can't come back.
That's it.
You can't come back.
Yeah, there's a couple reasons why he maybe can't come back, because this is Ohio State Michigan, now right.
And so you lost it and you lost two games that you should have won, right?
So whether it's his fault or not, it's bad.
Maybe he lost the team.
I do want to give the Bears defense credit because I know we like to crush people first and then praise afterwards, like 40 minutes into the podcast.
Get used to that.
Everyone on Netflix.
But their defense was phenomenal.
I think the Packers had one run over one yard in the second half.
So there was a lot of just kill the clock talk, but there was a way to kill it without throwing it over everyone's head in the end zone, right.
Like that whole middle of the defense was open from the Bears.
That a linebacker get hurt.
The whole game it was.
Right.
Edwards got hurt in the first half.
He's their best linebacker.
Yeah.
And I'm screaming the whole time.
I'm like, love, just throw it to the dwarf with the giant head.
Like, well, just find that guy and throw it to him.
He's the one converting first downs.
And then it was too late.
Well, when they handed out, when they stuffed Jacobs after the 34-yard pass to Dobbs, I went back and I freeze-framed it because they knew that Green Bay was going to run on that.
And they just had like nine guys in the box.
And if they had just play action and love rolled out, the game's over.
So it was weird.
They both weren't aggressive and then they were stupidly aggressive.
But I don't, I don't wait in both pass plays that were first downs.
The guy ended up going out of bounds anyway.
So they like did everything wrong.
But I just feel like if that's my team and I'm down three and the other team has the ball on my 30 with three minutes left, I just feel like I'm going to lose.
Yeah.
Right.
It's like a borderline miracle.
And then you got to give credit to the bears six play drive 20, uh, to take the four point lead.
And somehow during that Green Bay has to call timeout because they only have 10 guys in the field right before the two-minute warning.
It was just a comedy of errors.
And we weren't there.
We didn't know how good the crowd was.
But it was a classic home field game. playoff game.
And I was really happy for the bears fans.
I mean, talk about a rough 40 years.
Yeah.
I forgive them for super bowl 20.
And as lucky, if you want to say they're lucky as they were.
This year.
It was completely the other way last year.
Right.
With the hell Mary and everything.
And that turned them around.
So, and listen, you called me, we spoke on Friday and we're like, all right, we got the square picks, we have the packers and we have the jaguars and we're not getting off of it.
But damn it, we know it like we.
I wish we would have known we give these picks thursday, whatever.
I wish we would have known friday who everyone's taking, because now it's like we're betting it without seeing the dealer's hand at all and yet i still don't think we're suckers like the packers should have won that game.
I thought we had the right side, for god's sakes.
Yeah, I called you Friday afternoon.
I listened to the Ringer Gambling Show and you and I had the same basically straight up picks.
And I felt like a lot of people were on the Packers, the Eagles, the Jags.
And I just, I was like, oh man, this is gonna suck.
Like, I've seen this too many times.
And we're making these picks on Wednesday and Thursday and you don't know where the general feel is going.
House was on the show going, 64% of the public likes the Bears.
I'm like listen, everybody I know who bets on football loves the Packers and that's not a good sign.
But then at halftime, I mean we could have easily taken the Bears plus 500 or whatever it was, and not done it.
I think in the running for biggest choke of the year, when you throw in that McManus missed two field goals and two PATs, either PAT that can get a field goal on the last draft.
I hated the last draft.
I hated everything.
It did make me think though, the Packers, who I don't, I don't think people would think, with the Bills and the Browns and the Vikings and some of these NFL, the kicked in the balls club of fan bases.
You don't think of the Packers, right?
They won a Super Bowl with Favre.
They won a Super Bowl with Rodgers.
I didn't tell you I was going to do this.
We got to go through their losses since they won that far of Super Bowl.
Because I'm kind of in disbelief.
I was doing it this morning.
I had coffee and I'm like, man, they've had my buddy Chip was like another time.
My buddy Chip's from Milwaukee.
It's like another awful Packers loss.
And I'm like, shut up.
And then I'm thinking about it.
Like, oh, yeah, I went through.
So since the 96 Super Bowl win their own five and overtime playoff games.
Wow.
They've lost five NFC title games.
They won that one with Rogers, but some of the losses from the last 30 years 97, they're going for that back-to-back super bowl against with Favre against the Broncos.
Right.
They had the ball with five minutes left tie game go, go foreign out.
And then Denver drives down and LA has the helicopter play.
So they lose that next year against San Francisco.
Terrell Owens the miracle 25 yard touchdown when he just gets nailed by two guys.
Remember that?
Almost like a pseudo Hail Mary.
They lose that with eight seconds left.
02, they get smoked at Lambeau by Michael Vick, which was, I think, his only great playoff moment.
Did he have another one?
No, that was probably it.
That was it, right?
Other than video games.
2003, Philly, the fourth and 26 to Freddie Mitchell.
Right.
Overtime, Favre throws the pick, and overtime, they lose.
07, Giants...
Favre's last hurrah there OT loss at home when the Giants missed the field goal to win in regulation and then Favre threw a pick in OT.
Freezing, yeah.
09, Arizona, OT loss at home.
Arizona missed the field goal to win, and then they get a fumble touchdown in overtime.
That's how the Packers lose that one.
They win the championship in 10.
2011, they go 15-1.
They get smoked at home by the Giants, like super embarrassing loss.
2012, Kaepernick murders them.
That was the, is Kaepernick about to take over the league game?
181 rushing runs.
Kaepernick murdered?
I mean, I thought he just knelt down.
No, no, he murdered them.
Oh.
2013, San Francisco, they lose on a field goal at the buzzer.
2014, Seattle, NFC title game.
They're up 19-7 with 11 minutes left.
That's probably the worst.
Seattle has an onside kick with 2.13 left, gets the ball back, and then the Packers lose it in OTTD.
I'm not done.
2015 Arizona.
Hail Mary by Rodgers to tie the game.
And then they lose at OT.
You may not be dumb, but everyone switched to Chappelle like 40 seconds ago.
No, no, no.
One more.
Stay with me, Netflix.
2016, they lose the NFC title.
2020, Tampa.
Remember this one?
They're down eight with 215 left, fourth and eight.
And LeFleur kicks the field goal to go down five.
And then they lose.
2021, block punt TD.
They lose to San Francisco on a field goal at the buzzer.
And then two years ago, up four, six minutes left, miss a field goal, Niners drive, win.
And then this Bears game.
That's like 20 games.
So they're not Cleveland or Buffalo or the Raiders, but they're a little bit down.
It's a different class of like.
I shouldn't feel tortured, but why do I get my nuts kicked in every year in January?
I think that's enough now.
And they haven't won since...
2010, so it's 15 years.
And they don't have the same case as the Vikings-Bills.
But that's just bizarre that all that stuff happened on the same team.
I always look at them, they're the team that beat the Cowboys.
They go to the Cowboy, they can win on the road.
And Jordan Love can do it on the road and all that.
That's another reason I like them so much.
So you fire LaFleur, no questions asked.
Well, supposedly he wants an extension for a lot of money, right?
I'd probably part ways at this point.
I mean, you lose a game where your quarterback throws four TDs with no picks.
Yeah.
On the road.
And you lose.
You lose a game where you're up 18 heading in the second half and 11 heading into the last 12 minutes of the game.
Mm-hmm.
You hit the ball with three minutes left.
You're an offensive coach.
Yeah, it was all bad.
That last couple drives were bad, for sure, for him.
But, you know, you have a good coach.
Like, I haven't had a... McCarthy was fine, whatever.
It wasn't a good fit.
But I kind of think you hold on to these guys.
Like at some point it's like all right, what are you going to Have?
You seen some of these guys going for interviews for some of these teams, like bowen yang i think interviewed with the raiders uh, the other day?
No, they had to cancel it because they got in trouble.
Yeah, he had to drop out.
Yeah, all right.
So the florida, the raiders, people got upset at him so he's no longer a candidate.
That's so sad, i don't know.
Just sometimes you look for a new house and it's got mold like just stick, stick what you got.
I don't if you're the packers.
He had a bunch of injuries.
Parsons is coming back and It might be one of those where you wait three days, you calm down, you take a deep breath and you're like hey, we had a lot of stuff go wrong this year.
We lost Tucker Craft.
We lost our center.
We lost Parsons.
We don't have a pick now.
Maybe we wait one more year.
But LeFleur in the playoffs has just been bad.
And you know, at some point you got to, like you think of what Shanahan did with that Niners game today.
Right where he's basically playing seven-card stud with six cards and still trying to figure out how to out-poker everybody versus what LeFleur did.
And not to mention Ben Johnson just beat him up.
Just beat him up on the field.
And after the game, the handshake was crazy.
Can we talk about that?
So I did.
I tried to do a lot of investigating today with anybody I know who knows anything, which is basically Peter Schrager.
Um, no, but I asked a bunch of people like, what's the genesis of this, of this.
And it seems like it's a lot of, I heard you said this in a press conference or you heard that.
Um, and then that first handshake they had the first game where the floor kind of quick shake them.
Yeah.
Right.
And now that's it.
Now it's like, Now it's like revolutionary war level hatred on both sides.
It doesn't really seem like that would be a bigger catalyst than that, though.
Well, it's also stupid.
If I'm Ben Johnson, I'd savor the moment.
I don't just move on from it fast.
I follow the floor home.
I'm like, hey, what about that fourth down throw?
What'd you think?
I ask him, hey, where are you going to interview tomorrow?
Where are you thinking of going?
I wouldn't let it go.
So that wouldn't be my tactic.
Well, we can swear on Netflix.
We can?
We could already swear on Spotify.
He started out, fuck the Packers.
That was his speech.
Gave a great speech.
Turned it over to Caleb Williams.
I watched all five minutes.
This has been the year they've taken locker room videos and turned them into something great.
But Caleb Williams gave a nice speech about him.
If you're a Bears fan, think of all the inept coaches and QBs.
Our entire life.
We've been watching football now for half a century.
And most of our life, except for that one Walter Payton year, that one year when everything came together.
You never took the Bears seriously, ever.
I don't think they were on TV for the first 15 years of my life on the East Coast, right?
Yeah.
And now they have this coach.
I've kind of got his cadence down for the speech.
It's a smart thing.
And he does everything.
Well, he's just like he's like, that's the first one.
That's the first one.
And that's one you'll never forget.
That's one you'll never forget.
All right, bring it on in.
Bring it on in.
So you double every line and it's twice as effective.
Who is the Goodfellas character?
Oh, yeah.
Tommy Two Times?
Oh, that's right.
It was Tommy.
So he's Benny Two Times?
It's Benny Two Times.
It's a great win.
That's a great win.
You have to double up, man.
I love this.
Benny Two Times.
He needed a nickname.
Ben Johnson's a pretty boring name.
No kidding.
All right.
Well, there's a lot to discuss.
That was the game of the weekend for you?
I think it had to be.
Yeah.
It was not only because I had marked it off as a win on everything on my ledger and then I had to reconfigure.
I had the same as my quest to go undefeated against the spread in the playoffs every year, which I dream of doing.
That would be my number one thing I would want to accomplish.
I know.
Yeah. get the first one with the Panthers cover.
Then the Packers.
Now I'm starting to.
I'm already thinking about Sunday, because the Bears look like they've checked out right.
It's Caleb, the body language, everything looks bad.
And I'm like, oh man, if I get the Jags tomorrow I'll be 3-0 heading, you know.
And then all of a sudden it flips.
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All right, we had another NFC upset.
And in fact, all we had were upsets until the Sunday night game when my Pats beat the Chargers.
We had Four straight underdogs because the Bills somehow became an underdog over the course of the week.
Well, they covered, you mean.
The Panthers didn't win, but yeah.
No, four straight covers.
And then three outright wins.
The most shocking was Niners-Eagles.
I spent five days trying to talk myself into the 49ers.
And on Wednesday, I thought I was going to pick them.
And then you just keep looking at the injuries.
And you're like, all right, this is insane.
They don't have anybody.
They're a bosun warner.
Pearsall was scratched.
Kittle blows out his Achilles, it looked like, during the game.
And it's just like this stupid Eagles team that seems like they hate each other, even though they won last year.
I get the most compelling.
Nobody believes in us case.
In a while for the Niners, who were really good and had a chance to actually win the division two weeks ago, we're just casting them aside.
This checks.
And I just couldn't do it.
I was like, the Eagles will win one game and then they'll let their fans down.
I thought this was the most Eagles playoff Eagles, the playoff loss we've ever had.
I can't think of a better one.
Right.
Would you agree?
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
But we also, it wasn't surprising either.
Right.
Not for one minute, but for one minute.
At the, the super bowl, MVP played so poorly and couldn't move his team.
Like that's, Like, yeah, that makes sense.
That really tracks with what we've seen.
I mean, that offense is so lethargic.
It really looks like they could do whatever they want whenever they want, right?
And then it's like it's fourth and one, and Hertz is just chucking it into the wind.
Like, he had 4.6 yards per pass, and there's almost no rush coming his way.
And the other thing is, like, the play clock is either at zero or one when he snaps it every time.
And so you would think the games would seem to go fast.
Each Eagles game seems like it's six hours long.
They had 70 plays today.
I'm with you.
How do you run 40 seconds a play and you still run 70 plays somehow?
Usually it's like 55.
Right.
Yeah.
They have the demeanor.
Remember when we would play with our kids when they were younger.
You play like basketball with them and it's like two on one against dad.
The kids are like six and eight.
And you're kind of half-assing it, but then somebody intentionally punches you in the balls and you get mad and you start trying a little bit and then you lay back again.
The Eagles, they've acted the whole year like they're the dad playing their little kids.
Yeah.
And that they're begrudgingly getting competitive.
So this is a football game.
They play with no pace.
They try no trick plays.
They try no chicanery at all.
They never seem like they're trying to outwit the other team.
And they have these two receivers that they're paying $60 million for.
I think between the two of them, the longest catch they had was 15 yards.
The longest catch I want to say was Goddard.
Somebody had a 20 yarder for them and it wasn't either receiver.
So it's like if you're gonna pay that much for your receivers and your quarterback but never throw the ball and never play with pace and never spread it out, never have fun.
What's the point of having all of these guys?
So what the F happened?
Like what, what really happened?
Like, cause Barkley and Hertz were amazing.
You couldn't stop them by the goal line.
And this is now, are they just that much older and fried?
Like, this is like a race horse turning from three years old to four.
Like, all right, I have no use for these guys.
They were so bad.
They had to do so little to win.
Like Purdy gifted them two picks right at home.
Ran for three yards per carry, San Francisco, right?
So it's not like McCaffrey crushing until he caught something.
And it's like Shanahan never wins after losing by six or more going into the fourth quarter.
And they let like DeMarcus Robinson and Kyle Huschek beat them.
Really, really bad.
How many Americans found out today that DeMarcus Robinson was on the 49ers?
Probably like one-fourth the audience.
I wrote down 12 minutes left.
San Francisco was up one.
And I wrote down Purdy, two picks.
McCaffrey, 15 for 35 and just question marks.
It was like, how are they winning?
What are they doing well?
But it all came down to the Eagles.
The crowd, I think, booed every quarter.
So if that was a parlay on Fanville, you would have won that one.
Will the Eagles fans boo every quarter?
I had that parlayed with pregame.
Aaron Andrews would be attacked by a herd of skunks.
So that's, that's what that was.
She was dressed like Carmela Soprano.
I thought that was a Halloween outfit.
Yeah.
I thought you were getting attacked.
I saw that on, I stole that on Twitter from the Sopranos world account.
That was great.
That was funny.
So here's my favorite part of the game.
Because I did have out of.
I lost the parlay I had with the Pats and Eagles, but I had the Eagles in these big teases.
So I actually survived with a couple of them.
Brady announcing that Jalen hurts game was riveting.
Cause I've heard Brady talk enough and he always tries to be diplomatic, especially with other quarterbacks, but they would show like the all 22 view.
And he'd be like yeah, I don't.
I don't really know what he's seeing there Kevin, but obviously he saw something and he just was.
You could tell he was just dumbfounded.
Like he just wanted to say like, Kevin, I don't know what the fuck this guy's doing.
Yeah.
What are these passes?
Like what, what is his agenda here?
But Brady was like so disappointed.
And we've heard that too with Romo.
Sometimes, when a quarterback is really bad and they kind of don't want to breach the, it's like a almost like mafia.
You don't want to, go against somebody who's a made man the quarterbacks are the made men so you can only go so far but i thought brady was disgusted by i think so like that you're right there's like that's that's a bucket that we don't hear from announcers from the analysts that were former quarterbacks you got the josh allen's where you could just like if it's allen's against my homes it's just that's a jerk fest for three hours that's fine Yeah, you're pulling your pants down at that point.
Exactly.
So that's it.
Then you got the young quarterbacks, Cam Ward.
You could always find something nice with them, something like that.
Or even we'll get to Trevor Lawrence and they're running for first downs.
But something like this, it's just a shocker that this guy won Super Bowl MVP.
And like that, he's not taking off more.
There's no design runs.
I don't know.
This offensive coordinator's got to talk about guys.
This Kevin Petullo, he's awful.
I mean, he's interviewing.
He should interview with the Jets.
He's that bad.
I don't really get it.
I wrote down the Gabley manifesto, which which, even though my picks weren't great, I thought hit some good ones today, including a bad offensive lines.
Don't travel with the chargers possible manifesto ad.
I wrote down.
If it seems like a team actively despises each other, no matter how good they are, you can't lay more than a field goal with them.
Oh, okay.
Did it seem all season?
Like the Eagles didn't like each other.
And that was the storyline.
It was like, well, they won last year and Super Bowl hangover.
And it's like, all right, but these guys also don't seem like they like each other.
And then that play with Sirianni runs over to yell at AJ Brown.
Right.
And Brady goes, they have a great relationship.
They have a great relationship.
It's like, they do?
Yeah. maybe it's not so great anymore.
I would say it's not great.
He just yelled at him on national TV.
People broken up for less, I think.
And then he drops a big pass.
So drops a big pass and then doesn't get interviewed after the game.
Yeah.
And has been trying to probably get out of there for a year.
But I think that was just an unhappy team.
Whereas this Niners team, even though they kept losing these dudes, like they still kept their team together and like the concept of pulling for each other and that you could feel it today.
So it was.
It was literally like one team really cared about each other more than the other team did, felt like part of the game.
And yet i feel like if one guy wasn't on the field and i'm not even saying he should have been replaced, if he just wasn't on the field, blank and ship.
I think the Eagles win that game.
Was he the MVP of the weekend?
Disaster.
Just a freaking disaster.
I mean, the play that everyone's going to talk about is Juwan Jennings throwing that pass to McCaffrey, who Blankenship was supposed to blanket.
And then the Willie Mays catch.
And I think that was the only way they were scoring that drive.
Honestly, like there's two players who could hurt you on this team.
One of them has the ball is ready to throw it.
He's about to get attacked by four guys.
And you're like, you're covering the other one.
And you're like all right, you know, I'm going to join the other four guys, even though I'm 15 yards away.
What the hell?
And then just three other plays.
It was just awful.
They so the heroes of the game.
McCaffrey had a couple of big.
Even though he didn't have the rushing stats had a couple of big plays.
Robinson, we mentioned the fullback had a couple of awesome plays and then, uh, we got to do it.
Criticize them a few times on the BS pot over the years, but, uh, nine kids, Bobby Sala.
I mean, he might get hired now.
He might get a head coaching job.
Like for real, this could.
There's going to be like nine jobs available, but he was what he did to the Eagles and what he did to their receivers.
I thought it was really impressive.
Like the other way to look at it, is Lane Johnson's the most valuable player since Tom Brady retired.
Right.
Because it just feels like they fall apart without him.
Yeah.
But you know, Barkley had a hundred yards.
It was just, it's stupid things, right?
They didn't convert when they should have.
You know this.
This ends up being like a.
You know it sends up being like a fourth down fest who can convert and who can't.
And just, um, you know, I just, uh, I would say Shanahan deserves credit too.
When a guy like Kittle goes out, you already have injuries.
He and Kubiak have to adjust and the defense kept them in.
We'll probably crush him next week, but good job by Shanahan.
I think he's been awesome.
I thought he would have been the coach of the year before he lost the last game.
Vrabel or Liam Cohen probably gets out of the Liam Cohen loss today.
The big thing was They get that pretty pick.
They're down 17, 16.
There's enough time left.
There's like nine minutes left.
Philly's at home.
It's like, all right, let's see some urgency guys.
And they start their drive and it's like, okay, I'm already in my head.
Like they're going to score, go for the two point.
They'll be up seven.
Now they're covering.
Like you go through all that mental gymnastics and then the drive kind of stalled and they kick the field goal and they're up too.
Right.
And I thought that was it.
At that point, I thought the Niners were going to win the game.
It was one of those, they kind of had to get a touchdown on that drive.
They just couldn't.
I mean, we didn't talk about this yet.
I don't know if a coach has ever been fired a year after they won the Super Bowl.
It's probably been making history.
Getting too crazy, yeah.
And I really thought LeFleur was what we saw from him in the second half was going to be the worst thing we saw a weekend.
It's fourth and 11.
There's 43 seconds left.
Eagles need to get a first down and they're on like what the 22 or something.
They don't like something and they call timeout.
They had three timeouts left.
Brady and I thought Brady was actually really good today.
I thought that was the most I've enjoyed him doing.
Brady and Burkhardt are fine with it.
Brady's like, well, if you don't like it, you got to call timeout.
It's a big play.
And everyone else is watching this has ever played a video game.
It's like, you just lost.
Like, if you don't get this, the game's over.
You only have two timeouts.
And I couldn't believe they missed it.
And I couldn't believe they called a timeout.
I'd rather have a delay a game.
Can I say something?
And I know I'm way in the minority here, and I'm usually with you the whole time.
Okay, zag on me.
Honestly, that was the game right there.
That was the play.
The offense looked so disheveled.
Get a play.
You make the timeout count.
Don't throw it so that nobody's going to have a chance to convert or get it on fourth down.
Or don't call the timeout and kick the field goal.
And then you're talking about the same thing, basically stopping them, and no time comes off, because right.
Because, oh, that's interesting.
I didn't even think of that.
I just, I just didn't think they were going to drive the field, even if they were going to get.
You know stop stop, stop and then punt.
So that play seemed to be the end for me.
It's the classic.
Why are we practicing all season?
If we're not prepared for this specific moment, right?
Right.
It's like, oh, fourth and eight.
Need two more minutes to think about this.
It's like, this is just, what's your best play?
Yeah.
Is it what AJ Brown one-on-one just throw it to him.
He either gets a PI or catches it.
Like, what is it?
Right.
This is the time to call it.
Is it Goddard over the middle hit beat?
You know, um, it was really bad.
Uh, we had it with, there was a crazy wind.
We had the fight.
We had Kittle getting hurt.
We had a double reverse wide receiver pass.
And we had the Niners somehow scoring on two straight drives.
Trent Williams playing was a big part of this game, though.
Yeah.
And it was like when we were trying to figure this out on Wednesday Thursday, it was unclear with him and Lane Johnson.
Which one of those was playing?
Fox when they were promoting this game on Wednesday.
Wouldn't put Trent Williams' picture against Lane Johnson.
That's not how they would do it on the graphic.
You don't think that would work?
It really kind of came down to that, right?
That one of them didn't play.
Other NFC game, and then we'll do the two AFC games after.
Panthers-Seahawks.
Yeah.
Seahawks by 10.5.
It was the biggest road favorite line ever.
Panthers-Rams, yeah.
I'm sorry, Panthers-Ramps.
I took the points.
I didn't.
It was the only one for our Ringer 107 contest.
Somehow I'm two and three with picks this week and own four in the Ringer 107 contest.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ask yourself how you can pull that off because I did.
Um, I'm going the other way and ringer one Oh seven.
Now I'm wanting to end up with by far the worst record and then have the big comeback next year.
I want to go like 42.
Yeah.
I'm not changing anything.
Okay.
I want to go like 43 and 60, 64.
Um, But Panther Seahawks, we all, the people that were around in our fantasy.
Why do you want to call them the Seahawks so much?
The Panthers Rams, because I'm screwing up here on Netflix.
We're going to get canceled.
Panthers Rams.
Yeah.
Seven of us come together.
Yeah.
At Shakey's in Hollywood, which we do every year.
Right.
Was this the most entertaining Shakey's game we ever had?
I think so.
So we saw Tebow, right?
I think that would be the only... Oh, no.
Wow.
So there were two that we thought of.
I should probably explain the Shakey's game to whatever new audience we have.
Just don't keep saying it's the Seahawks, but go ahead.
It's Panthers-Ramps.
Right.
Shakey's game, it's the first game of the weekend, round one.
They always put the least appealing game.
Our Fantasy League gets together and we go to Shakey's because it was a pizza place...
In the late 2000s, that was pretty rundown on Santa Monica Boulevard.
Right.
And we thought it'd be funny to do our banquet there.
Yeah.
Like the most rundown pizza place in our area.
And it's become a tradition to go to Shakey's.
Like we could afford chicken parmesan at like a decent restaurant.
Yeah, we could go to like Dantana's or something.
We don't.
We go to Shakey's and it's usually an experience.
Tebow versus Pittsburgh, 2011.
Yeah.
Tebow's one great playoff moment happened in a Shakey's game and then beast mode against the saints.
I think those were the two best.
That was good.
You're not going to like this, but, um, Oh no, it was, uh, it was Ravens Broncos, right?
Was that a Shakey's game?
Yeah, it was a Shakey's game.
We might've stayed for the second game.
That might've been like the second game kind of thing, but this one was great.
And the funniest thing was our groups all together, including our friend Hanch, who we've talked about many times, our friend Tony, who you and I used to share an office with on Jimmy Kimmel live.
You have, I don't, I don't, whatever college funds left, you have more involved.
Yeah.
So you come in pleasant, and it's, the fourth quarter starts and it seems like there's a big Panthers upset.
You're sinking backwards in your chair and you, you, you're just focused on the game.
And Hanson Damoshek and Tony just start talking about the American Revolution doc on PBS loudly yes, talking about different wars, what was the best part?
And they're just going on and on.
I almost felt like it was a bit.
I thought it was like a hidden camera bit yeah, and i'm like guys three minutes left, kind of a bit.
This would be kind of a big upset here.
And they're like but here's the thing about benedict arnold and they're just like going crazy and you're dying and i'm dying and Our friend Randy is dying.
It was hilarious.
I don't want to say anything, but I'm like this is the biggest upset in in shaky's history and in in wildcard history, right.
It's about to happen.
And you're fricking talking damage.
I can hedge like a general Cornwallis had it coming.
Like who gives a fuck?
Like this, this is not Netflix, right?
It's PBS.
This, this American revolution thing.
It's like, they're like, and how about what they did to the Quakers?
And it's like, all right, fourth and three.
It was amazing.
So it was like watching you being honestly operated on.
Listen, this is a near disaster of a Shakey's outing for me.
Like you and Hench killing Stafford.
Stafford's like auditioning for MVP every single pass.
Like, oh, Drake May would have completed that.
He would have done.
Yeah, he hits Puka in the helmet from a 30 yards.
He's like, he threw it too hard.
I'm like, all right.
Then the American Revolution talk.
And, you know, I'm about to get killed with this Rams money line.
And Brad wasn't really fun.
Like he fell asleep with his arms folded.
And then he'd like occasionally wake up to make fun of the uh diminutive, you know elderly women in the booth behind them.
But that was it.
I was like, I may have to leave.
I don't know what's going on.
You missed Brad's most fun part when he reviewed centers for us.
That would, that was, he thought it was overrated was his take.
Oh yeah.
Um, well the best part, I'm sorry.
I know Brad is our crazy, crazy friend for many, many years.
But before I even got there, you're like, Hey, hurry up.
Um, they only have the Rams game on, on two of the eight screens and Brad is yelling at the manager.
I was like, yep, that checks out.
And then I didn't hear anything from you.
So I was like yeah, they had a bears Packers game on two of the TVs from NFL network from uh, two months ago.
I've noticed this in different restaurants and establishments.
Yeah.
Whoever's in charge of the TV, they're always put out.
Oh yeah.
Like you put it, you have a place and you have TVs all over the place.
Yeah.
I assume part of the attraction of coming to your place would be people are going to eat and watch games on TV.
And then you don't care what games are on the TV.
And it's like, this is we're in LA.
It's a Rams playoff game.
Every game should be, there was like a corner show in the corner TV show on NBA TV.
They were showing the Packers bears game.
They had spectrum channel one, just the news channels on one of them.
It's like, but just go around and put channel 11 on all this.
Right.
Yeah.
I try.
I think there's a way to do it.
You have to have a deaf touch.
You go to the manager and it's like, listen, I have this great, great talent.
I can control any remote you hand to me.
This won't take a second out of your time.
I know what channel every game is on.
Just go about, do your thing.
Just cook up a new batch of Mojo potatoes.
I'll do this for you.
And they get put out by it most of the time.
Sometimes they're like, yeah, here, take it.
I don't care.
I don't want to do it.
I thought you said you went up to them and said, listen, if the Rams lose this game...
I'm going to have to put my house on Redfin.
Can I please have the remote control?
Grabbing all this leftover pizza and selling it in the parking lot.
And then I'm selling my car along with it.
Well, Stafford, it was an MVP rollercoaster.
Couldn't like the lack of mobility.
You could really feel with him a couple of times, but then every time it really started to look bad.
He'd make a great play.
He had a, I wrote down, there was a happy feet drop pick.
After he'd had another pick and after he'd missed Adams for a bomb TD.
And after the happy feet drop picked on third down, he was 11 for 26.
Yeah.
But then he kind of rallied.
And what was interesting was Panthers threw a pick.
They had a field fourth and one.
They lost their left tackle.
They're hanging around, hanging around.
And they block a punt with 430 left because the Rams special teams is just going to be their Achilles heel.
Apologies to George Kittle.
And the Panthers get the go-ahead touchdown, but there's almost too much time left.
It was like they almost would have been better off punt 70 yard drive and the game, but instead they score fast and the Rams were able to put together a draft.
And that's my second talent work in the remote and knowing how to do the clock management.
We talked about that.
We said like Hey, quarterbacks need to play less video games and coaches head coaches need to play more.
And in the form of Madden, like knowing how much time is left in time management and Cause I know their head gets scattered.
But yeah, Stafford was good.
I think it was 12 for 15 down the stretch.
He was good.
Everything you said before that is true.
Six for seven on that last drive.
But again, it comes down to like fourth downs.
They were old for three of the Panthers on fourth down conversions.
And that's, that's a turnover.
Bryce was all over the place, which has been the experience all year but it was weirdly like a.
It was a moral victory win for them, but they didn't get embarrassed.
They hung around.
They almost won.
Um, there was some really bizarre coaching like McVay passed up going up 27 before halftime.
Right.
Right.
Could have been up 13 kickoff, just take it, but decided to do the.
There was a lot of fourth down hero ball that I'm sure the nerds have have uh, have have supported all the time, but I did feel like it was a tipping point of like common sense in some of these.
Yeah.
You know, what's funny is we'll get to it in your game.
But Harbaugh like kind of had the same decision to make twice and once he made one and the other, he decided to kick right.
He flipped.
Well, it probably would have said green go, you know, if you looked at analytics for both, but at some point yeah, like hey, let's get some points on the board enough.
Harbaugh was like the guy at third base and blackjack who hits on 13 and the next time it comes to them he stays and you're like right yeah, pick a lane dude, it's not, it's not.
You just got to go in one way or the other.
What's, what's the one you like doing more?
Um, pretty bizarre last minute Carolina drive to where they had had enough time left maybe to seemingly do something.
But, uh, listen, I was suspect of the Rams.
I didn't think they would be the team that came out of the NFC.
Uh, I had.
I had Seattle, which Seattle didn't play and was probably one of the big winners of the weekend, but I just don't think the Rams defense is good enough.
That's my big, I thought the Panthers proved yet again that I think you can move the ball on them.
They have a pass rush.
That's about it, right?
Yeah.
What do you see from it?
No, that's it.
I mean, they had Young in trouble a couple times, a few times.
They put him down.
And they're also penalized, which is weird.
They had like 83 yards and penalties.
That hurt them a lot.
But yeah, you're going to get a couple of big plays now that they're going to see better quarterbacks.
Caleb williams um, you know they have to go to his backyard, so this is tough.
I mean, i have them on.
I love those cross.
This is who's going to meet who in the super bowl things.
I made a bunch of those and the rams are on them not feeling great about that right now.
Now we did have a good conversation about uh, american revolution.
Oh yeah well, we learned a lot about uh, learned a lot about the revolution I got to put in my two minutes about how uh how how, Boston just saved everybody's ass.
Some people should be a lot nicer to Boston.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You thought that could end 75, 75 starts everything.
We don't get enough credit for that.
Right.
But, um, unless I get live bet, this American revolution chat, um, cut it out.
Let's watch the game.
That's what I well.
We had a good talk, cause I was, I'd watched the Martian launch Marshawn Lynch uh Beast bug run on Twitter, like on Wednesday.
It was just randomly on.
I was like, that has to be the greatest run of my life.
And so we were talking about what were the best NFL runs we could ever remember.
And I do think that's like a minus four 20 favorite to be the answer.
Wow.
It's been around a long time.
What did we say?
We had a couple that stacked up, right?
Dorsett's 99 yarder.
Maybe not as important, but it was a Monday night, right?
But it had the Monday night football crew.
Yeah.
Marcus Allen, the Superbowl, Riggins in the Superbowl.
And then I think the wild card are the two Bo Jackson ones.
The when he knocked over bosworth, but then the one when he's going down the sidelines and he's like on the 50 and the announcer's like he's gone and he just keeps going and runs into the tunnel.
Right, that was good, but i think when you watch the lynch one for what it meant to the game, it's an actual playoff game.
They're like 10 point underdogs.
He may he either, i think, like eight guys either hit him or bounce off him.
Yeah, and it just it's like a benny hill sketch camera shaking The stadium's rocking so much.
Yeah, I think that has to be the number one.
But I don't know the answer.
If we're going to go greatest reception ever, it gets a little harder.
What about when Lamar Jackson had the runs and had to take off to the locker room in the middle of the second quarter?
You're not counting that?
I forgot about that one.
Oh, and then we talked about Mendoza, too.
What's going on with him?
Because I've landed on Mendoza going to Vegas as would be the funniest 2026 storyline.
Poor guy.
The least Vegas-y guy who could ever go to Vegas.
And that's just where he's going to be.
Mendoza, you want to come gamble with us?
I can't.
Have fun, guys.
I'll say a prayer for you.
This is like the least fun Vegas hang ever.
His pregame meal is like dinosaur chicken nuggets and mac and cheese.
I'm like, yeah, they're going to send him to the Crazy Horse 3.
Like, yeah, no, sorry.
It's going to be the Hangover 4 as they finally break Mendoza at a bachelor party.
And he just loses his mind.
He disappears.
Yeah.
That's it.
Let's go to the AFC.
We'll do my game.
Fine.
Don't be ashamed.
You did it.
You won.
It's great.
Terrific.
19-3.
Disgusting.
Two teams that couldn't block.
Oh, your guys couldn't block either?
We couldn't block.
They really couldn't block.
And it was just a defensive battle.
That was the best our defenses looked in a long time.
But everyone's also healthy.
They had a great game plan.
They really took advantage of the fact that the Chargers don't have a left or a right tackle.
Who should be playing?
Yeah.
And Herbert has whatever's going on with his hand and got the crap kicked out of him.
And by the end of the game, even though I wanted the Pats to blow them out like 10 of me felt bad for Herbert.
Yeah.
I didn't know which way to go with it either.
I don't know what he's supposed to do in that game.
He's a tough bastard, right?
So that's why you can't really crap on him, right?
But these are some bad losses now that he's been part of.
Not that bad, like they should have won and lost.
Yeah.
You know, the Jaguars won when they're up 30, didn't do anything in the fourth.
That Texans game last last January, he threw four interceptions.
And now this one, I just don't know that offensive line ought to be ashamed of themselves.
I know there's injuries that use like nine guys.
But what were you guys like 26 and sacks this year?
Like, yeah, they've blocked better teams, like better runs.
Like they just were not ready for this.
I think Milton Williams being back and healthy was a big part of that, because he missed like five, six games.
And that was like the entire middle of the defense.
But home crowd, Sunday night, West Coast, East Coast.
But the big thing was I didn't feel like their receivers were ever open.
And then on a couple of times when they were open they weren't making plays.
But even like Keenan Allen had a drop, got Gonzalez before he got hurt.
I thought that was the best Patriots game I've ever seen him have.
It was phenomenal.
He was all over the place.
Collinsworth called it out a couple of times, but it was like, nobody was doing anything on him.
And then he got hopefully not concussed some sort of possible something.
And it didn't even seem like a concussion play.
So status could be, uh, in question for next week.
But, um, I'm trying to think how the Boston, Boston media can get a little negative.
No.
Especially the radio shows.
Couple radio.
No, it's a, it's.
They do this whole.
There's a couple Northeast cities that do this, where they zag and they're like they might've won, but they only won B, and this was bad.
And Drake may, that's why he's not going to win MVP.
They're going to get super negative.
I've watched every snap of Drake May's career.
That was not a good Drake May game for about two hours there.
I thought he was he was off.
He was OK.
What he did with his legs was what he did with his legs was more impressive than anything, honestly.
Right.
And then, you know, you move the ball.
I don't know.
I just you do see how it's a little more difficult than when you play the Jets four times.
Right.
But still, did you handle it?
I mean, you were so overconfident and it worked.
It worked.
How does this happen?
I felt really good about the Chargers O-line.
I really felt like that was going to be.
I didn't think they were going to be able to run the ball and I didn't think they were going to be able to protect Herbert.
But I thought May was going to be better than that.
He missed Hooper in the second half for a touchdown.
He hasn't missed that throw in three months.
Yeah, he's a little off balance.
He's nailed that all... I know, but he's nailed that throw all the time.
He had a couple of great scrambles.
I did the one thing... We should have talked about this on Ring or Gambling Show, that whole...
Remember that there was like four or five playoff games when the Mahomes rushing over unders were too low.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
And they never factored in that.
He would just play differently in the playoffs.
Yeah.
The Patriots have had the, the fucking.
You know kids gloves with may, with the scrambling all season.
They don't want them to get hit.
They don't want to get concussed.
He slides, he goes down.
He didn't this game.
He was really aggressive with it and trying to run around.
And I think that playoff Drake, I thought that was the difference.
Definitely.
No doubt about it.
I mean, that under that over must have hit in the first quarter, like with that first run.
I mean, I know you kneel down.
It's about the only over there.
And then it's like, you know, I think it helped you that.
I didn't see when they changed this rule, but Patriots are allowed to slap the Use face mask penalties and it's not a penalty.
Oh, the hit in the head thing.
That was great.
I love that.
It happened on, I think, McConkie too.
I didn't know you were allowed to do that now.
So that's a great benefit going forward, I think.
That was a penalty.
It came right after a ridiculous spot.
So I felt like it evened out.
Right.
That's true.
That's all you ever want.
I never...
I just did not believe in this Chargers team as a playoff team.
I thought they were lucky to get in, and I just thought they'd had too many injuries.
This never works, by the way.
As a fan when you call out the team you want to play, like three weeks ago you said you wanted to play the Chargers, right?
Yeah, because they have no offensive line.
Let that be the 2-7.
And then you talk up May and everything.
Is this one of the top three days of your life?
I wanted to ask.
Patriots win.
Hold on.
Top 25.
Netflix debut.
Netflix debut.
People wondering why we don't have makeup on.
Right, right, right.
Probably just me.
But Amy Poehler wins, right?
Let's talk about that.
Amy Poehler won the Golden Globe for best podcast.
Yeah.
And deserved it because the podcast is great.
She's a great person and we love working with her.
So yeah, that was exciting.
Good job by you.
I mean, this has to be a top three.
They doused Vrabel with hot water and lemon.
I don't know if you saw that because we were just like going live.
Did they do that and put honey in it?
They put honey in it.
Well, Vrabel hugged Milton Williams and got headbutted in the nose and mouth and was bleeding.
He loved it.
Trying to make himself bleed more.
Coach is going in the blue tent after the game.
It's weird.
You don't see it that much.
Yeah, it was...
I was hoping the Golden Globe thing would turn out well.
And it was happening right during a Patriot drive.
And it was just a lot.
I felt like I was overheating like a car.
I was like, this is too much.
I've seen this happen to you a couple of times when there's too many games.
And you just kind of get that deer in the headlights, get an overwhelmed look.
Let me ask you this.
Amy wins, but the Patriots lose.
Or you could have the opposite result.
You know what's funny?
I said to my wife two hours ago that you were going to do this.
Okay.
So you should have an answer prepared.
I'm definitely not answering.
Oh, come on.
For the new listeners when Sal and I worked together on Kimmel's show and we sat next to each other at a desk that desk right next to each other, writing jokes and doing shit every day.
And anytime I was like trying to work and you would try to mess with me and you would be like Simmons, You could only save one of your two parents.
Which one do you pick?
Right.
And you would just throw these like crazy hypotheticals at me every day, basically.
So I knew that polar one was coming because I've known you now for 23 years.
Well, what's the answer?
You don't want to answer?
Come on.
I think it's nicer than that.
I wanted both.
I wasn't thinking either or.
It was not a good situation.
All right.
But I was happy.
I did.
I started to get competitive when the smart list guys handed out an award, though.
Oh, right, in the beginning.
I was like, oh, is this rigged?
I didn't know we were rigging this.
The smallest guys, they hand out the award, they get to do it.
Big picture for Herbert, you said it earlier, 0-3 in the playoffs now.
The nerds love him.
The nerds will defend him to the death.
Did you feel like he could have done more in that game?
Other than maybe be a little more protective of the ball?
What was he missing?
When he was stepping up in the pocket and like just before the line of scrimmage, and he lets it fly.
I don't think he hit any of those passes.
And those are the only like 15 plus yard passes I thought he was able to complete.
If he drops back in the pocket, he goes through his progressions as good as anyone else.
But that wasn't working.
So everything else is like a five yard pass.
But I really thought he'd be able to hit Although, I mean, you had great coverage.
I don't know what to say.
Again, defense was good defense.
Well, can't we say the two worst playoff teams were the Panthers and the chargers, right?
I mean, maybe tomorrow we'll feel that way about uh, the Steelers or the Texans, but I just felt like they weren't at the same level.
Even Philly who, you know, shit the bed, but you can't say that team wasn't talented.
That team had dudes all over the place.
Yeah.
Those are the two for sure.
The May thing, a couple other just deep cut Pat stuff.
They really miss Matt Collins, who the announcers did not mention once in the game today.
And I liked Rico and Collinsworth.
I thought they did a great job for the most part.
Matt Collins, the blocking, he was like a Drake May security blanket.
They would always get one deep pass with them and he got hurt just randomly.
He had some abdominal injury or something like in the last two weeks of the season.
But I just thought, I don't think they've looked the same since he left.
And then may was too sloppy in the pocket with the ball.
Like he, if they're going to play whoever next week, it's, it's either going to be the Texan.
They play the Texans next week who have a good defense.
Yeah.
You can't be that careless with the ball, with all the people around you.
This is stuff he was doing as a rookie and he wasn't doing it the last three months.
He was way more careful with the ball.
He was not careful.
So you're fine.
You're going to, you're going to get every single bounce from now until 2050.
He fumbled the offensive lineman like, grabbed it a whirling dervish, but the Switched hands and recovered.
They recovered one of those, too, on the Chargers side.
Vidal got one.
His own, right, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That was their biggest play for a while.
I do wonder that first playoff game.
There are some pretty convincing stats about a QB in their first playoff game, no matter who they are.
We have the Quincy Carter types from way back, but then even Peyton Manning whoever brady the snow game, he was terrible for two hours in that game and then finally got going.
But i think we'll see next week because i i know that uh, i bet his standards are gonna be a little higher and variable.
Push them a little bit awesome.
The virgin quarterbacks were two and one.
Virgin quarterback uh, playoff quarterbacks for two, two and one.
He had a similar game to caleb where it took him a while to warm up.
Caleb finished with 361, he and he didn't have the scrambling like Drake did.
Oh, I know it.
Drake finished with 17 for 29 for two 68, but he was, he was like seven for 17 at one point.
Like it was like way.
Usually he's 75% of his passes.
He was 10 for 66 rushing the big thing now.
And I mentioned this last week and I just wanted to mention again, quick though remand Jay Stevenson Renaissance, who was the best guy for on the offense today.
And this was the guy.
The Pat's fans were ready to wave after the Steelers game.
You know, Brable stuck by him.
It was one of the best things that he did.
All right.
The game I was the most wrong about, this was the only game I really loved Jackson Jags bills.
Yeah.
And I really thought the Jags were better.
I didn't understand how the bills were going to beat them.
And, as it turns out, the blueprint for them beating them was basically what happened a ridiculous game.
Allen throws to nine receivers.
Allen runs the ball 11 times.
He runs the ball for two touchdowns, including a 10 yard tush push.
Uh, I think he had 14 injuries by the end of the game.
I couldn't even keep track anymore.
His wife was pregnant at the golden globes three, you know, 3000 miles away.
And it's just like gamut of emotions day for him.
He's throwing a Shakir Brandon Cooks, who wasn't playing for anyone.
Gabe Davis, who they picked up, who got hurt again.
Coleman, who they benched twice.
The two white tight ends.
Couple running backs.
Shavers, right?
He had seven incompletions and nine guys caught passes from him.
You should not have less incompletions than receivers.
Right.
Oh, interesting.
It was a face of the league game from our guy, Josh.
And I'm watching the whole game going, God damn it.
Why do I have Trevor Lawrence against Josh?
I know the whole week to think about it.
And I knew it and I walked into it and I was just like, ah, But again, one stupid play.
And that's, I guess, the difference, right?
In the end, one team had Josh Allen, and the other one didn't.
They both had Josh Allen.
The other one didn't play quarterback, though.
Yeah, the other one had a Hines Allen.
So they have a Josh Allen.
I think the Mahomes-Philly game last year really screwed me up, because I couldn't think of a single reason to pick KC other than Mahomes.
I'm like, I'm just not going against Mahomes.
So then you go into this game, I'm like, I'm not doing that again.
We're the only reason I can think of picking one team. is the quarterback.
And yet that was the reason they won.
Didn't you think they were running them?
They were doing just what they needed to do.
They were, they were, they had rushing yard.
I know you were.
You were killing the offensive play calling because they didn't go as much to.
You know.
You know at the end and as much as they should have.
But, It's one play.
It's that fourth and one where, like Lawrence goes and he launches and his shin hits the ground or something.
I don't know.
His knee hits.
I don't know how it happened.
They score there.
It's, what, 14-3?
And then, like, then Josh Allen's, like, a little against the ropes.
That's what you needed to happen.
Well, they get... They had a terrible pick in the first half.
Yep.
By Lawrence.
Just an awful, old-school, terrible Trevor Lawrence throw where, like, red zone September...
Like, let's go to Jacksonville.
Trevor Lawrence wants this one back.
So we have that.
We have the fourth and two inside the 10, which is there.
For some reason, as he dives, he knees the ground.
They get a fumble on a kickoff.
Yeah.
And yet nothing was going right for them.
I wrote down their running backs were eight for 99 in the first two hours rushing.
Eight carries for 99 yards.
And they're just force baiting Lawrence.
And it was to the point where it's like do they want this guy to be the hero of the game or something?
Like, what's the game plan?
Just run the Buffalo.
Can't stop the run.
What are you guys doing?
And then the run will set up the play action.
And it just it took them too long to get going.
So I think it's tough, Bill.
But no, I mean, that's their that's their offense, though.
Like they mix it up.
And don't forget, like Lawrence at that point, at that point was averaging seven yards a carry himself.
Right.
Yeah.
And I'm all for like, oh, he just threw an interception.
Let's run the ball a little bit.
But it was late first quarter.
You can't you got to build that confidence back a little bit.
And I felt he look, it was their defense that needed to step up at the end.
Right.
Like he got him ahead in the fourth quarter with a few minutes left.
We all knew we all knew it was too much.
No, it's the last two drives.
Buffalo drove the last two.
Right.
Two touchdown drives in the fourth quarter to end the game on the road in Jackson.
Yep.
That was it.
Stop them.
That's it.
I thought Lawrence was bad.
And the kick missed.
That was a bad mess from the guy who like makes them from, you know, Boca Raton.
He can get these.
Yeah.
A little cam little.
So, oh my God, Nance really.
Oh, he did.
They were both jinxing.
Oh, he's like, this guy can make it from 80.
And then of course he comes out at their own 15.
They're like, ah, bring them out for this.
Lawrence was 18 for 30 for two Oh seven and two picks.
I actually kept track of the entire game of balls that he threw that hit Buffalo hands.
How many?
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
What?
Eight.
I'm telling you.
I marked all of them down.
Eight times a Buffalo defender hit a Lawrence pass with their hand.
Oh, and then the last play passes.
Is it talking to pass or the guy had a chance to pick it?
The last play when they actually got the interception, two guys hit that the guy tipped it.
Another guy caught it.
Right.
But it was just that he was just throwing it around and he reverted back to September.
Trevor Lawrence.
I thought that guy was dead after the Denver game.
I thought this was the new Trevor Lawrence was that.
Yeah, I think I wasn't good enough.
Buffalo doesn't have a good defense.
No, it's true.
It's true.
But it was very good today.
It really was.
Rousseau and Shaq Thompson was was excellent.
I think they did have like eight or nine pass deflections.
I did write that down.
And the other thing that they turned around on the bills was time of possession was like thirty four.
Twenty six.
Buffalo's like they're not going to win that game.
That's not we knew that they wouldn't win with that game plan.
So they had, Buffalo has a chance to go up three.
They get that crazy tush-push, or as Nance called it, the push-tush.
Right.
Did you hear that one?
Yeah, yeah, push-tush.
Push-tush.
No relation to pass rush from Chris Collinsworth.
And Allen gets tackled, basically they decide he's down at the one.
There's a minute, two left.
Right.
Jacksonville has no timeouts.
And the move is kind of sneak.
But don't do what Drake made it earlier this year, where you don't try to score.
Alan's like, fuck it.
He goes right in.
There's a minute two left and they're up three and it felt like a huge mistake.
Yeah.
I felt I'm always for like ram it in.
But in this case, like a minute with that kicker who can kick 70 yarders, I'm like killing.
But what does it look like?
So is it a kneel down?
Cause you don't want to start the second play from the three and then you get a false start.
And he just kind of sneaks, but he just kind of goes down.
Cause they were going to let him score anyway.
So they probably, he probably could have just like gone forward or right where he was.
Yeah.
It's 62 seconds left.
They got the ball, like the 25.
Yeah.
And their kicker can kick a field goal from the 50.
So they needed to go in 62 seconds, 25 yards.
So what's the first play?
Let's throw it right over the middle to a guy who's covered by two people.
Even if he catches it, it's a 10-yard play.
He gets tackled.
22 seconds come off the clock.
How is that your first play?
I just thought, Liam Cohen, is there something about first-year players, First first time coaches in a playoff game?
Again with somebody who immediately is losing the QB matchup.
Maybe that's like some sort of bad formula.
Let's ask our producer.
I'll get, pull that up and we're going to need that in 30 seconds.
Come back with us.
I got an email from a reader, a listener, Pierre in Louisiana.
After this game, he said, think you're overthinking the picks.
Fundamentally, hobbyist gambling should simply be about having fun.
You agree with this.
Wait, what hobbyist gambling should simply be about having fun?
When you gamble, he's saying it should be fun.
He needed to see you yesterday during the fun.
I'm trying to think when was the last time was fun like?
When was this is not where a lot of craps, a hot craps table.
This is every man for himself.
I think the most fun i ever had was raven's giant super bowl and January February 2001.
Whatever that was.
Yeah, that was good.
We didn't even know each other yet.
We separately cleaned up.
I hit like everything in that game.
Super Bowl's weird for me.
I don't have fun because I'm so upset the season's over.
You have too many bets.
So even if I win, yeah.
So Pierre says, betting against Josh Allen isn't fun.
Betting on Trevor Lawrence isn't fun.
Maybe add fun to the playoff gambling manifesto.
So he sent this email and then I watched the Eagles Niners game and I'm like I'm not having fun with my pick here either.
I wish I had the Niners.
It would have been more fun to have the Nobody Believes Us Niners.
So round two, I might just go for fun.
What is it?
Because Pierre said so?
Yeah, Pierre in Louisiana thinks we should have more fun with gambling.
Buddhist or something?
Pierre, thanks.
But we know we got this, man.
Don't ever email us again.
I have to find this picture I took of you.
I hope this, Oh no, this is Sal and Shakey's you son of a bitch.
As these, as our three friends are talking about American history and the Rams are falling apart.
And Sal is just sinking backwards into his chair yesterday.
See, that looks like gambling.
Wasn't fun.
No, no, no.
That was one of the, uh, that was all the three hours that it wasn't.
It's 27, 24 with two 42 left.
And I think Hanch and Damoshek and Tony were in 1776 at that point like breaking down post-tea party.
Right.
What was happening then?
I'm glad you showed, because I wasn't going to do this, but now that you did, I have a picture of you singing in excess to your wife here.
No, I don't.
I don't have it.
I don't.
I don't have it.
Surprise birthday party.
Surprise birthday party.
I was a karaoke surprise.
I don't know if that's going to be a win or loss for me if that ever ends up online.
You're turning very red.
It looks like you have makeup now.
This is good.
This is all right.
What you need.
What you need.
What was it?
What did you say to her?
I really thought you were going to have the video.
I was terrified.
I should have.
I knew.
Yeah, you've had too good a day.
You know.
What I do have though, is I have video footage of Me watching the Eagles game in the sauna.
I got that one for you today.
I knew that would annoy you.
What is the matter with you?
You wore a shirt also?
Bill wears a shirt in the sauna.
I wore a shirt in the sauna.
I did second half Jags-Bills on the treadmill going 3-9 walking and 4-0 during commercials.
And the game flew by because I just couldn't believe the Jags were blowing it.
And then sauna after.
And then finish it off with some hot water and honey.
Yeah.
What a guy.
Yeah.
Things are off the rails in 2026.
Yeah.
Did you see me eating the pizza and pulling the cheese off?
I know.
I was proud of myself.
Most disgraceful patron of Shakey's.
Good job.
So we had five games.
Four of them were awesome.
Yeah.
The Pats Chargers game was not awesome, although I had a great time and I was excited for my dad.
Um, and now we have Steelers Texans tomorrow.
Yeah.
Which the line is settled at three.
It seems like, right.
Uh, I've seen it at three.
Yeah.
I don't think it's moving.
What I watched this weekend made me even more convinced that the Steelers are the bet tomorrow because, because the uh, I think it's the same thing as that chargers.
I don't think they're gonna be able to block.
Oh, interesting.
Texans.
So, as good as their defense is, I think it's worse when you have the offense that can't block and you're on the road in a crowd like that.
I think that would be my takeaway.
I thought my thing was there are three fraudulent teams in the playoffs right now.
In my opinion, all different levels are fraudulent.
I said the Panthers.
I thought the Bears a little bit.
And I thought the Steelers.
Yeah.
And the two of them were played tough.
And I think the Steelers also will.
Oh, man.
If Farron Rogers goes to New England.
Come on.
It's another win for you.
So they beat the Pats in week three in a game where the Pats had five turnovers, including Romandre fumbling as he's about to score.
We also had the one yesterday in the Bears game, the Christian Watson helicopter play, where he fumbled on the half-inch line.
Just feels like anything...
Full speed at the half yard line is going to go badly for somebody.
You just don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know what it is.
They got it.
They did.
That was a bad Bears moment, too, because it didn't go out of bounds somehow.
And the Packers recovered.
They didn't score because they had to place it at the one.
But eventually they did.
See, I know we led with that.
I still can't get over that game.
The Packers were the right pick in that game.
I know.
They just weren't.
That was a ridiculous Bears win.
All right, so we're going to, here's the plan for us.
We're going to do guess the lines for the games that we have, which are three games.
Did you see the times?
This is news to me.
Oh, do we have a schedule?
What is it?
Can I guess this?
Can I guess?
Can I guess the schedule?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm going to guess Broncos-Bills is the first game on Saturday.
If Fandel listed it correctly, you're right.
Yes.
Okay.
I'm going to guess Seahawks 49ers Saturday night.
Yeah.
Are you looking at this?
No, I'm guessing.
Yes.
Patriots, whoever on Sunday afternoon early Sunday, because that has to be the Monday night team needs enough days.
Right?
Well, the Monday night team needs enough days, so the Patriots are definitely playing Sunday.
Patriots hosting somebody.
And then Rams-Bears Sunday night?
They have Rams-Bears day, which means we would do this again after your team play.
No, please no.
Really?
Let me make sure.
Is it a Fox thing?
Let me see.
It must be a Fox thing.
Fox must get the early game on Sunday.
They must get their picks.
I hope this isn't right.
I mean, this is this is what's on another game.
I mean, I love Netflix.
If it means we we follow a Pats playoff game every week.
This is a good streak for us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, this is for you.
Good for me.
I think they would have put you Saturday night if they knew Rogers was playing for sure.
I think they want Rogers in a night game, if they, if they're able to do so, but um, there's no guarantee.
It's almost like a shakies game.
Right.
Right.
Could be ugly.
Like the one today.
All right.
So a quick backstory for any new, uh, watchers we have here sound.
I've been playing guess the lines.
It was first.
Who, who'd you start the game with?
My buddy, the parlor kid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He used to hide in a closet.
So his, uh, his girlfriend now wife couldn't hear us guessing lines.
Cause it's a, It was frowned upon back then.
And now we're on Netflix.
So you'd have the schedule.
I start working for Jimmy Kimmel live.
We start doing it.
It's, it's, uh, I show up like mid November, 2002.
The show hasn't started yet.
We're sitting next to each other.
Rest of 2002 through the playoffs.
You're like, let's play guest Alliance.
We start doing it.
Then the next year we do it at work.
Then I leave JKL.
We start doing it on the phone.
We do it on the phone for like three years.
Then when I get a podcast at ESPN, it becomes the Monday pod.
And we've been doing it ever since.
This is, I think, our 19th year.
19th year.
To guest the line.
So what happens is we guest the line.
Whoever's closer wins it.
And I've won all 19 years for the new people.
No, stop it.
You're right.
You jerk.
You won last year.
I've won more than last year.
Yeah, no.
I'm probably up like 10-7 lifetime.
I know.
Well, when you're cheating, when you're allowed to swat the quarterback in the helmet, then what are we going to do?
All right, so we're going to get to the Lions.
So we're going to say the first game is Broncos-Bills in Denver.
That's what it appears to be, yeah.
Okay.
I have not seen the Lions.
Okay.
I think the Broncos are going to be favored.
Mm-hmm.
And I think it's in the tic-tac zone, which we call for anything minus 1.5.
And I'm going to say Broncos.
One and a half calories.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
Broncos minus 1.5 at home against Denver.
All right.
Against Buffalo.
Oh, all right.
So I get this one because I said Buffalo minus 1.5 and it is Buffalo minus 1.5.
Okay.
Let's talk about this.
Well, they power rated them exactly the same as the Jaguars, right?
But aren't the Broncos better than the Jaguars?
The Broncos are the one seed.
Yeah.
They're the one seed.
They won 14-3.
They're home.
They're the altitude.
And Josh Allen got the kick.
And she kicked out of them this week.
Right.
They also have trouble eclipsing 13 points a lot of times.
So I think they're factoring that in.
And who's betting Denver, right?
I am going to make my first Netflix hardcore prediction.
Mm-hmm.
Um...
The Broncos will be favored by next Saturday.
Really?
This will be Broncos by one and a half on Saturday.
Okay.
All right.
I think this is exactly what happened that Jags game.
The line moved along, the line moved along, and then it flipped.
That's my prediction.
Interesting.
Let me just make sure these are... No, I mean, these things flip all so much.
And then we take a teaser, right?
We add six points to whoever the underdog is. getting one and a half.
Well, that doesn't seem to work all the time.
Well, the ones, the ones today in real life, that worked.
We can't do these in ringer.
One Oh seven, but all the all, the 10 point, 13 point teas is hit.
Right.
Basically the charger.
Unless you had the chargers in one of them, any other version of any game that you wanted to tease, even the Eagles, the Eagles was it ended at minus five and a half 10 point.
Teas, which I did, brought it to plus four and a half and it covered this extra point.
Yeah.
Big.
Very nice.
Um, all right.
So Saturday night is Seahawks 49ers.
I had trouble with this one.
I wanted to go lower.
And then I was starting to think about where they would have to get it to to make people bet on the 49ers.
The nobody believes in us team two weeks in a row.
And it's in Seattle and Seattle's had the week off.
I have Seahawks minus seven.
Okay.
I had Seahawks minus six.
I thought that was division rivalry.
They'll chuck a point their way.
It's seven and a half, so you get that.
Damn.
And you love Seattle.
I'm just telling you now, they'll be in a parliarities for me.
Really?
Yeah.
I thought they should have won the last time they played by 25 points.
Mm-hmm.
That 13 to three game that should have been like 30 to three.
Donald wasn't good enough.
This is the perfect team.
If they can get by, they have three playoff games with Darnold potentially.
Right.
Right.
So you get through this game where you're not playing a team that has a really good defense.
Then next round would be Rams versus bears.
Potentially they could play the bears around a good defense either.
Yeah.
Although they did stop the run in the second half.
They might be able to get to the super bowl without ever seeing Darnold like under distress in any way.
Right, i the if you could guarantee me there's not gonna be rust on this seattle team.
Yeah, having off a week, i i would love them.
I would love it because i i, the denver.
Uh, san francisco's luck has to run out all right.
So then, sunday we can't get according to the times haven't been announced, but the days are right.
Bills broncos and 49ers seahawks yeah, Sunday we can't guess the Pats game, but we do have good news.
I'm going to do another podcast tomorrow, on Monday night, and you're just going to be at the top of it.
We're going to film 25 minutes at the top.
That's going to be on my pod.
I have another guest after, so we're going to guess the line for that.
Talk about the Steelers-Texans game.
No make-up again?
Let me know now. we can, we're just going to all natural.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Like John Mulaney covered in makeup.
I saw his show.
Yeah.
Some of the other podcasts that are coming in, like we have a bunch of ringer podcasts coming tomorrow that will also be available on Spotify as well on video, but no makeup.
Yeah.
Well, some of the people we have will wear makeup.
I'm trying to set the tone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just, just be you.
I love it.
Don't worry.
Don't worry about what you look like in 4k and people counting your whiskers.
So we can't guess Pat's, but we can guess Rams bears.
Yeah.
I had two lines that are within a half point of each other.
And I went back and forth and I went back and forth, went back and forth.
This game's in Chicago.
You know, the bears are gonna be losing at halftime.
Rams minus two and a half is my guess.
All right.
I said four.
I was like, Vegas, the books, Fandles, I'm going to fall for this.
It's three and a half.
I was a little high, but I was closer.
Oh, so you won.
Well, I won two to one.
So you could tie tomorrow.
I could tie tomorrow.
Big day to check in if you want.
Wait a second.
So Packers, Bears, Packers were one and a half.
Rams two points more in Chicago.
After a game that Chicago looked awesome and felt like there's some mojo going now.
That's weird.
See, I looked at it as they were 10 and a half at Carolina and right.
Obviously they didn't cover that.
They didn't come close to covering that, but I think they just took a touchdown off of that and said let's, let's see what the Rams could do.
I think that, don't you think that ends at three?
Yeah, I mean, the Rams are the perfect team to go up 25 points on the Bears and blow it in the fourth quarter.
Perfect.
Outdoors, night game, something goofy happening.
Caleb.
It's funny Caleb and Drake May are the same where I'm not really sure what to expect from them for the first hour and a half of the game, because they're young, yeah.
But you also feel like they're never out of any game and that at any point they could just make an unbelievable play.
Right, but that that play that may made to uh hunter henry was similar to the caleb play on that fourth and eight.
Like the caleb throw was crazier and he ended up up in the air after he threw it, but it was same kind of like.
They just saw it.
The throw had to be perfect.
You have to have like a fucking great arm, you have to be able to throw on the move and uh and those guys are two of the best at it.
Yeah, caleb did the jordan jump man thing too right yeah, that was no accident.
Yeah, i think this will be when you think like mahomes goes down burrow doesn't make the playoffs, like everyone's already talked about this, but it does feel like a little bit of a change in the guard, even though those guys aren't that old.
It does feel like there's a new generation, may and caleb.
There's something happening.
And then maybe Stroud tomorrow if he can have a good game against Pittsburgh.
That was a great class.
And, uh, yeah, it paid dividends.
And after last year, yeah, we watched so many bad quarterbacks in that 1.
PM slot from weeks one through 18.
We're going to have Mendoza and a bender in Vegas.
Maybe he'll be the next one goes to Vegas, gets completely corrupted within five minutes.
Um, I am in uh, Not only in the fantasy league with you, but I'm in this league that I've been in with my high school buddies and their college buddies.
Oh, yeah.
What is this?
Playoff counts?
It goes all the way through.
Get to protect up to six guys on your fantasy team.
And then we have a draft.
And I had the first pick in the draft because I won.
And I protected Drake May and Parker Washington and Jake.
I didn't really have good keepers, but I had the first pick.
So I took Puka.
And then I took Puka over Josh Allen.
And my thought was like, I have Parker Washington.
I think the Jags are going to beat the Bills.
I'm hoping Trevor Lawrence is going to be there when it comes.
There's four teams in the playoff draft.
So one, two, three, four.
I have five.
Like, I'm really hoping Trevor Lawrence is there at five.
Trevor Lawrence is there at five.
Now I take him.
Then I got Etienne in the ninth.
So now I have three Jags.
I have Drake May.
I have it all set up.
And I had 195 points with all of my guys today, but I lost like six of them.
And I'm probably going to lose to our friend Steve, who still has Alan Darnold and Stafford.
Oh, boy.
And Cook and Harvey and Kenneth Walker. and digs and but this is this league's great i don't know why people don't do this idea where we it's just more fantasy i get five more weeks i guess what is fantasy at the end after 16 weeks i'm going 22 i should end after three weeks to be honest with you i don't know yeah no that's pretty cool you know what's ironic about this though remember when we did the ringer draft You hated the Jaguars.
You're like, I'm not drafting a Jaguar.
And then I hated Trevor Lawrence.
And now he's rekindled by hatred for you.
You made that proclamation.
You're like, he's going to be my most hated player in the league.
If he loses.
Yeah.
I saw there was an onion thing today about uh, or this week about guy spends 3000 hours on his fantasy team.
This year wins $30 for second place.
And I was like, that it close to exactly it.
Yeah.
Um Okay, so we're going to do we always do Parent Corner, which is, how long have you been doing Parent Corner?
I can't remember.
When did we start that?
Before we even had kids, which people thought it was weird at the time.
No, I mean, I guess probably more than a decade, right?
At least.
Well, at one point, my young son was the star of Parent Corner.
Yeah.
For like three, four years in a row, just was killing it.
And that was untouchable.
Well, now he's 18.
He's like, I will kill you in your sleep if you do any sort of sort of paracorder about me.
Do not mention my girlfriend.
I will put you in a home on a moment's notice.
He's just really, really terrified.
A dozen years ago, you were talking about how he did all the finishing moves on his pillow and everything.
And he's like, you know what, pops?
I'm going to do those for real on you if you mention me.
When he was a kid, we would do the ones about when he would have the he would have the diaper on.
And he would try to do the stink face on my wife when he had a gross diaper when he was like two.
He doesn't still do that?
No, he doesn't do that.
Now he's like, leave me at a parent corner.
He's a responsible kid.
He's going to college next year.
He's got a car.
He's got a girlfriend.
He's a nice kid.
Doesn't want to be in parent corner anymore.
But you have, fortunately for us, younger kids.
They can still be in parent corner.
So you go first.
I have a 12 year old.
I have a junior in high school and a junior in college as, as you do.
Um well, so about an hour ago my son Harrison snagged a fly ball to end the game and the South Bay blue defeated OC crushed to win another fake gold ring.
So we'll take it.
I think they're coming.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm very on your phone or during the podcast.
Yeah, no, no, no.
That was done.
That was Golden Globes.
That was Patriots.
And, uh, and it was South Bay blue watching that.
But, um, my other son went to a, goes to Oregon, big game came up against Indiana.
And as he left for school, you know, like we went to drive back up to Oregon last week.
Uh, like I grabbed his shoulders and I said, dude, bring us back a championship.
And then he informed me that he doesn't play for the team.
He just watches on TV.
Just what you want in a room for a championship.
Yeah.
But I said to him, I was like, look, if they beat Indiana, we'll figure something out.
Because you have to send the kid, right?
If they make the championship.
So now they're losing by like 700 points in the third quarter.
And I text him.
And I figured for sure he would think this is a joke.
I was like, this is such a bummer.
I got two tickets on the 50 yard line, like 20 yards up for you and cookie.
I had you at the Fontaine blue and I got uh, somehow I there's a jet going there and I was able to get you on there.
And he was like, son of a B he's like, so upset.
I was like, Now, what do I do here?
Do I tell him I'm joking around or let him think I'm father of the year or decade or the century?
But there's a risk in it too, because if Oregon comes back, I have to now come through on this.
So now I'm looking at the Oregon live line.
I'm like, all right, I can get 70 to one.
So if I put 500 on Oregon, I'll get 35 grand and I'll be covered for this thing that I promised him.
Let me just tell him I was kidding and said, no.
I told him I was kidding.
How'd that go?
Not very good.
So now I'm like the worst father.
I went from best to worst.
But anyway, don't promise things.
Don't joke with your kids, I think is the moral.
Does your wife still cry when he goes back to college?
I think she goes in a different room and cries.
She knows not to do it in front of me because I'll make fun of her.
Oh, she sneak cries?
Yeah, yeah.
But she was the one who said, go away.
She's like, you have to go away.
He could have gone local.
There's plenty of Cal schools out here.
Plenty of California to drive away.
She's like, you have to go.
You have to live your life.
You have to see what it's like to be away and regretted it.
I don't think the asphalt was kicking back when he drove away and she was upset.
My parent corner is about my mom.
Who I needed, my mom.
I had a birthday party, a surprise birthday party, for my wife.
That ironically, your wife was there.
That's right.
Not a lot of people, but I had to get my wife out of my house because we had to set up the house and her friends wanted to do this mafia theme and they wanted to dress up.
It was like a mob lives theme and they were all dressing like Gumars and all.
Your wife did a very good goodfellas, by the way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was, I think it had been practicing.
She had a great time.
Yeah.
Um, but, uh, I had to get my, my wife out of the house five o'clock on Friday.
So we had to go to my mom's, I had to get my mom involved.
So I came up with this whole thing about my friend Dave is a, is one of the producers on jury duty.
And it was like we're going to, it's going to jury duty season two premiere uh, And it's a mafia theme.
So we have to dress up like we're mafia people and we're going and we got to bring my mom cause she's a hundred percent Italian.
So we're going to bring my, we have to go to my mom's house.
We'll have a glass of wine with her and we'll drive back and it's a paramount.
And my wife just falls for it.
Hook, line and sinker.
I have a couple of my friends texting us like, are you going, you going this week?
I heard it's going to be really fun.
So now the whole day she's, she's dressing. getting what she's going to wear, her outfit, all that.
She goes to buy something on Friday, stops at my mom's house on the way home.
And it's like two o'clock.
And my mom, who like anytime anyone comes over, she's just ready to, the wine comes out.
So I noticed, I check on Life360 and it's like 2.35 and my wife is at my mom's.
And I'm like, oh no.
Cause you know, this is a surprise party.
A lot of boozing.
Yeah.
Like that.
You definitely don't want to start early.
Everyone's arriving.
What time?
Six 30.
Okay.
You got a couple.
So I FaceTime my wife.
She doesn't answer.
I call my mom.
She's like, Oh yeah, we're here.
We, we just having some wine.
And I'm like, so I text my mom.
I'm like, what are you doing?
You're supposed to be like the decoy.
Like you're right.
So, Finally get her out.
She comes back.
We end up, we're on time.
We go five o'clock, go to my mom's.
My mom is nervous.
She's going to screw it up.
Um, come back, pretend that I forgot my key because I use my phone for my car.
We got to stop by the house to get, get my key.
We go in surprise.
It works.
How long do you think my mom stayed?
Oh, I was going to ask you this, but I thought it would sound.
So it's like, it's like 14 of my wife's friends.
My mom's already had.
You know, we had like a glass of wine.
All these people are.
There's going to be food right.
Whole thing.
How long did she stay over under, I'll give you over under 29.5 minutes.
I'm going to say she's still there.
No, I'm going to... Well, I mean, the way you're phrasing this, it has to be over.
The wait, right?
I mean... Nine minutes.
Oh, wow.
Hugs everybody, says, and then she's like, I got to go.
And she's calling an Uber.
No kidding.
Wow.
And I'm like, why aren't you going to stay?
We're having food.
No, no, no.
And she said, no, no, no, you guys.
And does the you guys thing and is gone.
And it was just like, what?
Our parents just get weird.
Yeah.
I don't know what the year is, but it's definitely going to happen to us, right?
I hope we're still on Netflix at that point.
Yeah, we will be.
Let me defend her here, though.
You just called her and told her, don't forget, you're a decoy.
Just be a decoy, lady.
No, I wanted her to come, though.
Get out of my house, decoy.
I don't know.
It's a little bit...
I don't know.
She said the whole week she kept thinking she was going to screw it up.
But, um, I, have you talked to her about her since, or you just like didn't text it tonight?
Cause you know, I told her about the golden globes thing.
Right.
And what she knew is on.
And she said, um, I didn't watch, I refuse to watch CBS.
Maybe I'll see it online.
CBS is canceled in my house.
She's at that age.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She hates Romo.
She's one of the people that hates Romo for no reason.
She might not have liked the Romo-Nance combo.
But anyway, so that's it.
Our parents are going, I'm sure you have 20 stories about it.
I just can't figure them out anymore.
It's like when they were talking about the cover three defense the Panthers, when it was like, are they going to blitz?
Are they going to go back?
And Stafford has to read.
That's how I feel about my mom all the time.
Is she blitzing?
Is she going back and cover three?
What is she going to do?
I just can't get a handle on it.
That's good.
Listen, everyone's approaching 80.
I think you just start to... You just wander a little.
My father's big thing is dry runs.
So if there's a party in March...
And he's like, what's the address?
He'll go there like tomorrow and like try, even if it's an hour, just to get the lay of the land.
Like he's like a White House bodyguard?
Yeah, exactly.
Assassination angle?
I scoped it out.
It's like, all right, you're not a scout on Jimmy Kimmel Live.
You're just scouting locations for hidden camera.
What are you doing?
Yeah.
I can't wait for us to get this nuts.
I feel like we're still going to be gambling on football.
I don't know what else is going to happen.
Listen, you're wearing a shirt and a sauna and you swore off pizza.
You're there.
Wearing a hoodie on Netflix.
First ever Netflix pod.
So every Sunday night, we're going to be live during football season.
And then after that, you go away.
You always come back on my pod.
You're still on the Ring of Gambling show.
And then I'm going to keep going on Sunday nights live here.
And if you want to see more of Sal, you can see him on the Ring of Gambling podcasts.
Which how did we do on the on the show this week?
Like, okay.
We did good on the pregame show.
We had one Saturday and Sunday.
We have one next Saturday and Sunday.
I did.
All right.
Pooking a cool, by the way, he's just.
I don't even think we mentioned them that much, except for getting hit by.
I mean, it's a freebie touchdown.
And then you just wait for the second one.
I got plus 600 on two touchdowns and booty. your guy booty is my favorite Patriot of all time.
Yeah.
Plus two 40 on 50 plus yards.
I don't know if you saw, he penned like this article about, you know, how he was a gambler.
He mentions FanDuel and everything.
I was like, great, this is one of us.
And he's going to be on the ringer, a pregame show with us like three years.
The he.
One of the things I liked about that article was he talked for a long time about how special Drake may was.
He did.
And I read all content where people talk about how special Drake may is.
Hopefully you can, Hopefully he can bounce back.
Ruined it.
Next week.
All right, that's it.
First Netflix podcast in the book.
A bunch of Ringer podcasts coming on here tomorrow along with some other ones.
But I will be back with you tomorrow night right after.
We're not going live tomorrow night, but with the next podcast you'll see with us we'll be talking about Steelers-Texans.
What's your final prediction for that one?
Steelers win the game.
More nonsense from the ayahuasca god.
One more week of him.
That's it.
I think you're probably right on that.
Thanks to Gahal.
Thanks to Jack Wilson.
Thanks to Eduardo.
Thanks to Chris.
Yeah.
Thanks to everybody at Netflix who wanted to have us bring our video over here.
It's been a true pleasure.
Good to see you, Sal.
Good job by you.
Good job by you, buddy.
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