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Hey, Cooper.
Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan.
Howdy.
Hey, Cooper.
How are you?
Good.
How's it going?
It's going pretty well.
I have a few scratchings about you right here.
You are Cooper Shields, and it says here you're an architectural historian from Ohio.
That's about all I know about you.
That is true.
Tell me what an architectural historian does.
Yes.
So there are a few different facets an architectural historian can be.
A lot of them are like the educational side, teaching, researching, and whatnot.
And the side I'm on, I work for a cultural resource management firm.
And a lot of what we do.
So most of my company is actually archaeologists and there's 10 or so of us.
And a lot of the projects that we do are government mandated surveys.
So when a when a project is done in the US that requires that uses federal money, it triggers a cultural resource survey.
And so that.
Make sure that the project doesn't negatively affect any of our cultural heritage, whether that's architectural, historic or archaeological.
So what we'll do, what?
What I do in the above ground section, as we call it, is you do just survey work.
So is that roundabout going to necessarily impact that historic house that's sitting on that corner?
If it is, what can we do to mitigate it?
Can they move it slightly?
Can they move the house?
Can they move the project house?
Developers must hate you.
Yeah, you must be hated by it, says here.
You've been attacked by many developers.
It's mostly homeowners.
Homeowners.
Yeah.
When when you're driving around in a car with an orange vest on taking photos of people's houses.
Yeah.
You get you get some you get some weird looks.
Well, I hope so.
Way to be a peeper.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the thing is you could be a Cooper.
You could be a serial peeper who got into this.
And you talk a nice game up front about preservation and surveys, trying to lull people into this sort of NPR fog of it's all legit.
But you're a guy in an orange vest, which, by the way, is not mandated by your job.
That's your choice.
It's branded, but it's not.
It's optional.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're taking some creepy pictures.
I never zoom.
These are not historic homes you're photographing.
Often these are homes that were their apartment, their apartment buildings.
They were built in the 1980s.
College dorms.
Yeah.
College dorms.
I have concerns about this sorority and its historical value.
Sir, it was built in 1993.
Oh, man.
He does such important work.
And look what we've done to him.
Is it that important?
Listen, I and Cooper, I don't say that to in any way denigrate you.
I don't think my job is important.
And so I think together we're wasting America's time.
Are any of us actually important in the grand scheme of things?
I would say I don't know.
I mean, I think.
There's some actors, big A-list actors that are very important.
Oh, what?
Okay.
I just wanted to throw that out there.
I didn't think that's the route you'd go for that.
I know.
Doctors.
Your dad was a doctor and your mom was a lawyer.
Yeah, but he was in a movie and neither was my mom.
You know, a DiCaprio.
That's like a very important person.
And I don't want to talk about this anymore.
It's just so obvious.
This sounds very cool.
Like.
You must have architectural styles that you like, architectural styles that you favor over other styles.
What are the kinds that you really like?
What gets you all hot and bothered?
So I like to say that I prefer historically underappreciated styles.
So things like brutalism postmodernism, like late modernist, like 1970s 80s, kind of weird stuff that isn't the coolest to the, you know, to the normal observer.
It's not the gorgeous Victorian house that's surrounded by stately elms.
Brutalism, you're talking about giant blocks, right?
And poured concrete.
Concrete.
And yeah, of course.
And and, you know, like a giant slice of a window.
Right.
And a really shiny floor and hard surfaces.
You like a home that can't be baby proof.
Is that right?
That's true.
It's all danger.
Yeah.
You like a house where like the nursery has spikes coming out of the floor.
They're concrete spikes, but yeah.
Yes.
You have to be specific.
Boston City Hall, I think, is a really cool building.
Oh, come on.
No, it's not.
I was in it last year.
It was great.
I don't care why you were arrested.
That's not important to me.
It was a conference, thank you.
Sure.
We were all arrested.
It was the peepers conference.
Back to that.
You all had giant x-ray specs on.
You're all rounded up together.
Look, Cooper.
Um, they're onto you and I'm onto you.
No, that is, I mean, I grew up with that building.
That building was, was built when I was a very young boy and I just never liked that building.
Has it come around?
Is it that our views have changed and now you appreciate it?
Or do you appreciate it because no one else likes it?
Ah, that's it.
So, okay.
So there's, There's a chance that I'm I'm, I'm trying to be a little bit sneaky about that and think that you're a contrarian.
You're a contrarian.
Correct.
Yeah.
Oh, everyone hates that.
Oh, I was.
I was vindicated because my my wife, who is in the same field as I, am.
We were at that conference together.
Last year in Boston and Abby and I, we were just walking around in awe.
And so it's not just me.
And it was also everyone there.
It was also a conference on modern architecture.
So it might have been a bit skewed in the audience.
Oh.
To be fair, I haven't been there in a really long time.
I think the last time I was there was when you were arrested.
Why?
No, I actually was punched in the face and I had to go later on to some.
They called me in for some reason to give testimony or something about beatings and who deserves them and who doesn't.
And I deserve one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just to describe what's happening here to the listener.
Sona just pulled up a picture of the Boston City Hall and showed it to myself and then to David.
So when you heard right now, huh?
Yeah.
See?
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
That's what was happening.
Um, it's been, it's been voted like the ugliest building in the country.
Yeah.
Multiple times.
Yeah.
Oh God.
Yeah.
It's, it's a, it's a crime.
It's a crime and you're wrong.
You know what I love is that I love that your wife does the exact same thing that you do.
Um, that's so.
I just picture you meeting.
You both reached for the same orange vest and your hands touched.
Yeah.
And you were like, excuse me.
And she was like, excuse me.
And then you went, oh, my.
And your glasses fogged up.
What happened?
So we met in grad school.
Yeah.
We both went to Ball State University in beautiful Muncie, Indiana.
Wait a minute.
Ball State, that's David Letterman's college.
That is David Letterman's alma mater.
Any college that spits out a David Letterman is OK by me.
So very cool.
She she saw him on campus multiple times.
And I think it it's it turned into kind of what's that massing of students over there?
And it's oh, it's David Letterman.
Yeah, I don't get that.
When I go to Ball State and wander around, why would you?
I walk around and i hope that people come up to me and they don't.
Okay yeah, you didn't go there.
No okay, but i've been.
I just constantly hang out there hoping that i get some of that vestigial letterman love.
You know, What do you think if I were to be a building, or Sona a building, or David Hopping, what kind of style do you think we would be?
Yes, yes.
I've thought about this.
You just said that like a villain.
And he's thought about this.
I thought about it.
Yeah.
Cool.
So Conan.
Yeah.
So for you, I'm going the postmodern style.
Why is that so very avant garde, kind of late 20th century, and the?
The building in specific and specifically that I thought about is the Disney building, the Disney headquarters, and in LA.
?
It's very bright.
It's very larger than life.
And it's very kind of in your face purposefully.
It's like in your face.
But it accepts it.
Wait, is this the one that has like the seven dwarves?
The seven dwarves?
The seven little people?
Does it have them?
It does.
Wait, no, that's not it.
That's cool.
That's the Disney concert hall.
That would be flattering.
Yeah.
Show me this other Disney building.
I think it's just the Walt Disney off like office building.
Yeah.
Type in ugly shit in LA, team disney building.
What's that team disney building?
Team disney is the actual name.
Uh, and why?
Why do you think i'm this building?
Uh, so be honest, so post-modernism was kind of in a response to modernism, just like international style early 20th century.
Yeah, the way Post Malone is a response to a guy named Malone.
Yes.
Malone, right.
Oh, perfect timing.
Oh, for God's sake.
Oh, my God.
That's what you think I am?
Seriously, people need to go on a website and look up Team Disney Building.
That's what you think I am?
A building suspended by cartoonish dwarves.
Well, when you think too hard about it, it gets a little weird.
All right, well.
Okay, and what about Sona?
So Sona, I like the Gamble House, which is in Pasadena.
It's the epitome of arts and crafts style.
You know what?
Gorgeous.
I love arts and crafts.
Can I see a picture of that, please?
Come on, Eduardo.
What are you doing over there?
Doc Brown's house.
In Back to the Future as well.
That's a beautiful house.
It sure is.
This is much better than the Team Disney building.
That's a gorgeous house.
Yeah.
Who lives there?
I think it might be a museum.
I think it's a museum now.
Yeah, no one lives there.
Well, if it's a museum, if you go and just hang out there courageous enough.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You wait until closing time.
You say, I have to use the bathroom and then you hide in the stall.
And then when they leave, I've done this at many museums.
I do this a lot at presidential museums.
I spent six days at the Dwight Eisenhower museum.
Um, It's really fun.
You get to wear his pajamas and stuff and hang out.
So, and David, what would David be?
Man, these guys are making out better than I am.
And remember, it can be a temporary structure.
I thought you were gonna say Legos.
No, no, it can be like, oh, we tied this together because there was a storm. so um david's illinois history midwestern um i'm thinking a a nice four square like prairie style but early prairie style just very simple understated yes simple but still just like a nice a nice place to be because something you'd pass a thousand times and never think twice Okay, well, those are your words, not mine.
When you pass that, when you pass my building and you see a bunch of fucking dwarves, you're going to notice it.
You're going to be like, and a common reaction to me is I don't like what's happening over there, but it did grab my eye.
So you're not disagreeing with me.
Oh, Cooper, I have a question because this is something that's near and dear to my heart.
And you won't be able to help me here.
Part of your job, I believe, is writing nominations for the National Historical Registry, meaning you can help assign historic status, official historic status and get it on the registry of a building that is linked to an important person.
True?
Correct.
So part of my job is oftentimes writing nominations to the National Register of Historic Places, which is the country's official register of buildings we deem worthy of recognizing, worthy of significance.
And there are a handful of ways that you can deem those buildings significant.
And One, one of them is an important person.
I think you'll have to die in order for it to work well.
I don't think there's often times where they're done when people are living.
So I'd have to be dead in order for a building to be given historic status.
Based on you.
Well, I'm going to say something for a second.
I don't think that's true.
When you go to London you see plenty of those blue plaques and it's to people that some of them are still alive.
It's like this is Mick Jagger's home where he grew up.
You know, you'll see some things like that.
And some of them, they're not they're still alive and they're touring, for God's sake.
You could be you could be the case study for the first one.
In the United States.
So, OK, because I prefer to be alive.
And then what structure would be worthy of historic registry?
There's my childhood home in Brookline, Massachusetts.
And what else?
Of course, there's this various elementary schools.
And I'm thinking more than one that I went to.
There's the Baldwin School, then there's the Michael Driscoll School then, of course, there's Brookline High.
Could I get plaques for all of these or is it just a one and done thing?
So the plaques are things you can just kind of do on your own if you want to.
The plaque isn't the official part, so we can just...
So, you know, David, I'll order one as my assistant.
One.
No.
Oh, yeah.
I want all kinds of plaques.
They have to be fairly cheaply made because I'm going to want a lot of plaques.
I want homes that I've lived in in New York.
I want homes that I've lived in in Los Angeles.
I moved around a lot when I was a young man.
This building.
Oh, Larchmont here, this Larchmont Studios where magic was made?
Yes.
So across the board, we're going to need a lot of plaques.
They should probably be made of a durable paper.
You know, initially rain resistant, but then they – because we're going to – I don't want to spend too much money on it.
And a lot of places need to be – yeah, I don't know how it all works, but I guess –
I'd like you to look into it some more.
I'd like a way to have a plaque put somewhere with my name on it on some structure, and I'd like it to be while I'm alive.
So can you be thinking about that?
My wife Abby actually works for the Ohio State Historic Preservation Office as one of the National Register of Historic Places reviewers.
So I will take this to her.
But wait a minute.
It has to be in Ohio?
No.
I've been through Ohio, but I don't know that I...
Every state has a historic preservation office.
OK, state historic preservation office.
I want and I am not going to collaborate.
I want Abby.
May I call her Abby?
Of course.
OK, I want Abby on this.
I want her to be looking into it.
And my requirements are a plaque when I mean, you know, if if I don't have to supply it.
And someone else is paying for it.
I want it to be a plaque, a real plaque.
And it should be someplace, I believe, in Massachusetts.
And we need to get this done.
We need to get it done quickly so I can hang out there and then act like I didn't notice there was a plaque.
I mean, imagine.
Yeah, being hanging out and having a plaque and being like oh oh, i guess that's me.
Yeah, but you're hanging out right next to it, you got it and you're just acting like you had no idea.
Yeah, i'll get like uh, i don't know, i'll get a sugar cone ice cream, you know, and i'll just be like it's good ice cream, oh this, I guess that's where I was born.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
That's so sad.
Who looks into whether these plaques are accurate or not?
Let's say I wanted a plaque that said this is where Conan O'Brien set the record for most touchdowns in a high school football game.
Does someone fact check that shit?
Probably not.
I think you can just go to a trophy manufacturer and they'll make you a plaque.
I've done that.
I've been thrown out of so many trophy stores.
I've been forcibly walked out of several.
Several trophy stores.
I think the amount of oversight would be dependent on where it's placed, because if you put that outside of it like a dairy queen.
Yeah.
I don't think many people would think think too strong.
But if you put it at, you know, outside of the soldier field.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People are going to see it.
You're right.
I got to pick it in.
Yeah.
If my plaque is a just a blatant lie, then it should be someplace quiet.
Cooper, this is I have to say this.
This interview started out very quiet.
You know, you were talking about surveys.
I panicked for a second and then this turned into one of my favorite interviews in a while.
So I appreciate that.
I mean, you started slow as I did in life.
You started slow and then bang.
It was fantastic. absolute joy talking to you.
Seriously.
You're very funny.
You have a dry wit.
Uh, you're clearly very intelligent and I think you're doing something cool.
And, um, yeah, I really do appreciate this.
And I do not kidding.
I'm going to want to hear from Abby.
Okay.
I'll, I'll make sure that happens.
Okay.
All right.
Take care, man.
Good to talk to you, Cooper.
Thank you all.
I appreciate it.
Bye bye.
Bye bye.
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