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Hello, everybody.
Welcome back to another episode of Dear Headspace.
Today, I am joined by Miguel Rosy.
Oh, and we are honored to have Nika with us.
She's a coach here at Headspace and she's joining to share some additional wisdom because
like who couldn't use that?
So today, we are answering your questions about when you leave a bad job, but you feel guilty,
over leaving coworkers behind, how to help others who are disappointed.
And we also have a question about what to do when you fear the end of the world.
I mean, these are big questions.
So I say, let's get to some big answers.
Have you ever wished you had a wise meditation teacher on speed dial?
Someone you can call after a long day.
Someone you could lean on for their advice.
Someone to listen and help you to see things differently.
Welcome to Dear Headspace, a podcast where I sit with a meditation teacher and we answer
your questions.
Well, hello, Rosie and Nika.
I'm telling you guys something.
I already know that this episode is going to be great because I am looking at two powerful
and insightful ladies.
Yay.
I'm so excited to be here and I'm so excited to be here with both you, Robin and Nika.
I think today's episode is going to be really fun.
And welcome, Nika.
This is your first Dear Headspace with us.
It's so nice to have you.
Yes, it is.
Thanks for having me.
I'm like really excited to answer these questions and to be on here with Robin and Rosie,
the great.
So I'm ready to get going.
The Rose, the two Rose, the Rose, the Rose, the Teddy, the Rose is honey.
All right.
Well, let's get right to it because our questions today, like I said, they're big ones.
So here is Vicki with a question about guilt-overleaving co-workers behind in a toxic work environment.
Hi, Headspace.
My name's Vicki and I'm from the UK.
I've just handed in my resignation at my job.
It was causing me an awful lot of anxiety and stress that I was bringing home into my personal
life.
And I'm quite sure that that was the right decision to make for myself.
I'm struggling to reconcile that with feelings of guilt towards those that I have left behind
at work, who I got on really well with, that they're having to deal with the fallouts.
Oh, well, thank you for that question, Vicki.
It's, you know, it's hard.
It's like you make a decision and you're doing what's best for yourself, which is important.
But then you have all those people that you loved and you feel like you left behind.
That can be a really tough position.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think just hearing her say this, she didn't say how long she was at her job, but it does
sound like she established some really good relationships there.
And any type of big change like that can be, you know, uprooting and scary.
And yeah, you know, there's going to be a little bit of maybe guilt of leaving your friends
or your people behind.
But at the same time, I think it's so good that she made this decision because ultimately
it sounds like it's really going to help her and it's going to create a better life for
her.
And I think instead of looking at it from the perspective of, oh, I'm leaving my friends
or my people behind, maybe she's going to inspire them to care for their own mental
well-being and their own wellness.
If they see somebody that, you know, they really care for, go off and focus on themselves,
that's my opinion.
Yeah, no, that's such a good point.
It's also like that whole, you can't help someone else until you put the oxygen mask
on yourself first.
I just know that when I'm in a toxic work environment, it's just like we're all like in the
break room like this place stinks.
And it's like, I'm of no use to anyone else.
So I think you're making a really good point that she might now be able to go out
and be valuable to some of her coworkers.
Absolutely.
And just to that point of, because I was thinking about like her creating this new normal
for herself, right?
Yeah.
When we make a decision to do something different, whatever it is, right?
But to leave a job, because even like, I know we hate to say a job is like your family.
Okay, it's not.
But you're there all the time.
You're working with all of these people.
There's connection, right?
Am I right?
There is a connection and it's when it's severed, even though you can call them on the phone
and all this stuff, you know, or I get I'm the only person who probably talks to people
on the phone still, but you can still connect with them.
So there's that, you know, there's that disruption that's happening for them and for you,
but you left for a reason, right?
And so now it's time to begin to establish this new normal and to Rosie's point, like they
get to see you flourish and do something new and different to see that it's possible.
But for her, for Vicki, like Vicki, you're going to have to dive into that thing and see
like, what is this new normal?
What is this transition for me?
How do I get to flourish here?
So even though, you know, it's hard at first, right?
You can still connect with those co-workers, find a different way.
But hey, go do your thing and see what that's going to look like for you.
Nika, I'm curious.
I love that such great advice.
I'm curious too, like in your experience when people, because I know I've been in
work environments where I stay because of the people, right?
Not necessarily because of the job because there's that familiarity.
There's also a little bit of fear.
Like what am I going to do without these people now?
What's my next work environment going to look like?
So can you speak to that a little bit?
Like what do we do if we have that fear?
We're not happy with our job, but our people are keeping us there.
Oh, wow.
That's a really great question.
I think that's where you really want to sit and think about what is it that I want the
next version or the next season of my life to look like.
Because I believe that life is seasonal, right?
And so when you're kind of in this place of like, oh, but I love my friends and they're
great and they are great.
And back to they will be there.
It is really like what is this fear really about?
Because it's not about you leaving your friends.
Right.
It's not about that.
It's about usually, can I really make a change?
Can I do this?
It's usually like a confidence, right?
It's something there that's keeping me, that's stopping me rather from moving forward.
And so explore that a little bit.
And then if we can unlock that, then maybe we can begin to look for the job or whatever
it is and then understand like again, back to these are still my friends.
We can still be in a relationship now.
We can go to happy hour.
They did another place to do something different, right?
And that nobody died.
You're not leaving them.
Exactly.
And also like we didn't, Vicki didn't give us a lot of details about what the toxicity
was at the job place.
But I'm always a big fan of like when you go out, if they offer you this opportunity
and maybe even if they don't on that exit interview, what are you doing on the way out?
Sometimes it's like doing it in a way that's not going to impede me getting another job
but is going to help the next person who comes in behind me.
So if there's a toxic boss, there's microaggressions.
What do you do with the toxic box?
Do you just warn the next person, be like, hey, no, if I get the opportunity to talk to HR
and they say, why are you leaving?
And I'm like, because Todd was toxic.
Here's the seven things that I documented that Todd did.
And this is why I left my job.
And just so you know, I'm a valued employee and you've lost me because of this.
Because of Todd.
Yeah, because of Todd.
I did have a boss named Todd once and he was toxic.
That just came from deep in my subconscious.
From a mindfulness perspective, I love what you said before too, Robin, about you have
to put the mask on yourself first, you know, and Taneca's point as well.
Like you need to be able to create a new normal for yourself.
And you know, as you navigate this new transition in your life, I think it's really important
for as much as yes, we feel we start to, anytime we're doing something new, we begin to
doubt ourselves so much.
And we start to think about everything that could go wrong and we'll, and then I'm leaving
my people behind.
And now, you know, this is happening or it's affecting my family in this way or all
of that stuff, you have to really just come back to that present moment awareness where
you're just trying your best to be in this present state so that you don't spin out, you
know, you don't let yourself go into these scenarios that ultimately the decision that
you made is for your good.
It's for your betterment.
It sounds like you're leaving a toxic place.
So ultimately, you made a really great decision.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
I think again, just from a mindfulness perspective, to be able to just sit in that
energy of this is a good thing for me, I'm going to be present with everything that's
here now and continue to move forward.
Well, I mean, no matter what, Vicki, I think all of us are in agreement that congratulations
on getting out of a bad work environment and taking that next step.
And we are here supporting you in this community and, you know, your friends are going to be
okay.
Like both these folks have said, it's inspirational.
Absolutely.
All right, let's get to our next question from Gina.
Here we go.
My name is Gina and I live in Southwest Florida.
So I've been a labor and delivery nurse for over a year now and I absolutely love it.
And I'm currently in grad school to become a midwife.
Something that I would really love your advice on is how to help others when they are
disappointed.
I ask this because many of my patients, they want to have a natural childbirth.
But for some reason or another, something could happen and they end up having to have
a cesarean.
So usually what we rely on is telling our patients at the end of the day, we have happy,
healthy mom, happy, healthy baby.
But I want to be able to help my patients better than giving them that cliche, that we kind
of tell ourselves and them.
So your advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much and I love this show.
Oh, thank you for this question, Gina.
And Gina's out here doing the good work.
Like helping folks bring babies into the world and it reminds me of when I did the baby
prep classes, you know, getting ready for labor and delivery.
They talked about the more attached you are to a birth plan, the more likely you are to
suffer from postpartum if it doesn't go the way you want it.
Like there's this weird correlation.
So this is really kind of a mindfulness question, but my question to y'all and for this conversation
is, can Gina affect that level of change in this situation?
Is that a realistic expectation?
So I'm curious what y'all think?
This is a great question and from my perspective, the answer is no.
There is no way that she can essentially change how someone feels, right?
But I think there's so much pressure and I'm thinking just from a person that's a clinician
or any form, sometimes there's this pressure.
And even a God complex a little bit, right?
Like if, oh, I can actually change the outcome or how you feel, but it is, I'm really just
here to be of service, right?
And to be sort of a conduit, but I can't, everything's not going to be perfect.
I don't know what's going to happen.
I'm here to make you comfortable.
I'm here to be again to serve.
I'm here to maybe give you some new thoughts, ideas, a new perspective, but the rest I can't
do.
And so I think, you know, honestly, I'm taking some of the pressure off yourself.
Yeah.
Pressure.
Awesome.
Jakes.
I'm here to pressure off of yourself because it in people that are helpers like myself
and Rosie and you, like, you know, we want to serve and you want us, you know, just want
the best outcome that doesn't always happen.
And so we got to be okay with that to a certain degree.
Yeah.
I agree with that 100% because we can't control what we can't control.
And what I think would be really helpful for Gina is to be able to just be present with
her patients and to just be authentic and compassionate and to really just give them
that space to have that process because I think to Robyn's point for all of us, whether
it's birth, whether it's a job, whether it's, you know, whatever, we get attached to the
results, right?
We get attached to, I'm going to do air quotes, a plan.
Yeah.
And I think anytime that that plan doesn't go the way that we want it to, it creates
suffering.
Yeah.
And from a mindfulness perspective, it's the gripping that is creating the distress.
And so it's interesting, right?
And I'm speaking to you, Gina, how you're gripping now is to want to change an outcome with
somebody that you care about, you care about your patients.
So this is really a practice for you to have that self-compassion for yourself first,
right?
Yeah.
And then I think that's what I think is the most important thing to do is to create a
self-compassion.
And I think that's the most important thing to do.
And I think that's the most important thing to do.
And I think that's the most important thing to do.
And I think that's the most important thing to do.
And I think that's the most important thing to do.
And I think that's the most important thing to do.
To save their life or save the life of their child, right? Like to make the best choice for
themselves.
But at the end of the day, it's like they need to be able to process that their plan is
no longer going to come to fruition.
And I feel like the only way to do that is to really be compassionate in that moment.
And as we're on this topic in Nika, you saying, helpers like us, I'm reminded of the anxiety
I have when I can't help other people sometimes like taking on their energy.
And it's an assumption too, by the way.
So I think like the mindfulness piece that you're talking about Rosie is really important,
to not go into where someone else is and stay where you are almost like holding the
space for someone.
Absolutely.
Right.
It is just really, I think we talked about earlier, just being, right?
Just if you're being, you allow other people to be.
Yeah.
And then you're not agreeing the change of plan, like allowing that and saying like, it's
okay.
And so for them, it's like, you're not trying to make it better.
You're just saying that it's okay.
This just is.
And it's okay that this is.
And from there, we can decide what we want to do next.
But right now, let's just be.
Yeah.
And also, like you can still be supportive in that space.
Absolutely.
Right.
You can still be a natural birthing assistant or birthing angel, whatever you want to
call it, you know, somebody that's going to be there.
She can still have that role, I think, regardless.
And I think ultimately, as women, I don't have kids, but I would imagine that if I was in
that situation and putting myself in the role of the of a Gina's patient, and I was told
that, like, I would want somebody to guide me through that.
Like, I'd love for Nika to be there and say, it's going to be okay.
Yeah.
Like she said, whatever it is, it's going to be okay.
And it's like, okay, she's right, you know.
So I think perhaps leaning more into that aspect of the situation will help Gina reconcile
how to be more effective in those positions.
Well, and I would also like to ask this question of Gina, how do you know you're not helping
people through their disappointments?
Because I got to tell you, I had a Gina in the room with me for my first birth.
And I was not handling it well.
I think we can all just imagine what that looks like, having heard me before.
And I was holding tight and I was clenched and I was, and she put her hands on my lower
back and she said, you're clenching during every contraction.
And she said, I want you to breathe into the pain.
And that was like, I don't know what you're talking about, like lady.
I was like, I don't know how to do that.
I don't know.
And then I started doing it and it made the pain so much easier and less.
I mean, you know, as far as childbirth goes.
And I think she timed out in the shift before I actually had the baby.
So I never got to thank her.
That woman will never know.
My daughter is about to turn 15.
So we're talking 15 years ago.
And I still, I can, I can tell you where I was standing.
I can tell you the impact she had on me.
And I can tell you that I have used that advice during getting my teeth cleaned during like
other painful things like during things where I'm scared.
I have used that advice for years.
And that woman will never know the impact she had on me.
So Gina, I'm going to just push back on your assertion that you're not already doing
it.
And just someone who's as caring as you are, who's calling in and asking this question,
I bet there's a lot of me's out there who you've already helped.
Yeah.
So thank you for doing all that you're doing.
All right.
I'll be back in just a moment.
All right.
We've got one more question from Tom.
Dear headspace, this is Tom from London.
Ever since I was little, I have been terrified of the end of the world or the apocalypse or
dystopianism.
This is fed by the news, but also films and TV, books, people's general conversations.
My most common triggers are things like war, climate disaster, societal collapse and
AI, but also everyday things like self-driving cars and technology.
Whenever I see or hear something triggering, it's like my insides fall out, like the
ground has disappeared, and I freeze for days.
My mind says, if everything is going to burn, what's the point in anything?
I've been practicing compassion because I really believe my response is a natural response
to scary things.
I'm also practicing curiosity about the experience I have.
But despite the self-compassion and curiosity, I still feel stuck.
It's completely contradicts everything I know about myself.
I am the first person people come to in a crisis, and I'm actually really capable of solving
problems.
Are there any ways to help with moving through this free state?
Do you have any tips about what to do, scary things in the world that won't go away?
How can we deal with things that immobilize us?
I'm so grateful for you and your wisdom.
That's a hard question from Tom, and I just, the very first thing I want to say is,
I'm so glad that you've reached out because it's, I think, when you are feeling these
big and scary feelings, it's so important to have community around you and to not keep
that into yourself.
I mean, I want to hear from you all, but obviously for me, the first thing I'm thinking is making
sure when you're having this strong of a response to, you know, like catastrophe in the world
that it may be a good idea to be speaking with someone.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think the things that stand out to me the most, I'm a serial hypochondriac.
So, for me, I'm, you know, I'm the person that's googling every little thing I have, and
it's always like worst case scenario.
And then I'm googling like, what celebrity has this disease?
So I can feel better about like living with whatever I just diagnosed myself with.
But it does create a sense of dread and fear.
And I think, you know, I work with therapists, you know, this is something that I've been
working on for a really long time, you know, with the way that I grew up in the environment
with those very chaotic, you know, so I think for me, it's more of this control thing
where I'm trying to just find the solution to the problem.
And it sounded like Tom was very sensitive to everything that's happening in the world.
And, you know, putting that on yourself, when you start to feel all the tragedy and the
changes in the world and the climate, it starts to really get overbearing.
And I know that that can be really hard because I can really speak to this just from an
experience perspective, knowing, you know, that dread.
And I think from a mindfulness perspective, it's really one of the key things or even
from, you know, like a yogic perspective, one of the main reasons of suffering is a
fear of death, right?
So so ultimately all of these avenues lead to this fear of my impending doom.
And it's like you start to think about, okay, like look at all this tragedy, look at all
these bad things that are going on.
How could I impact that?
You know, how could I possibly make a difference?
And from that perspective, what teachings have said to us for thousands of years is to
practice being present, to not allow yourself to get taken away by all the narratives around
us.
It also says to withdraw, right?
So to withdraw from whatever is feeding you that information.
So whether it's social media, whether it's you're constantly on the news, you know, you
have to sort of withdraw and in a sense go inside and be with yourself, be with supportive
people, focus on the beauty that's around you, focus on present moment awareness, focus
on all the things that are working as opposed to the things that aren't like, I don't know
that worry helps any of us.
It doesn't, it's not, I don't know how Nika or Robin, you feel about this, but I think
worry doesn't serve a purpose other than creating anxiety and stress within us.
And so as much as I can say that, all of us get trapped in that cycle, but I think with
practices like meditation, like self study, like going to therapy or talking to a mental
health coach, all of these things really aid us in focusing on what is present.
Well, and what's interesting about what you just said Rosie is like, if you are taking
something out, if you are withdrawing, what can you put in?
Yeah.
Right.
So in the time that you were doom scrolling, could you be reading your favorite book?
Could you be calling a loved one?
How could you be connecting into the positive in the world?
By the way, I have a feeling that there should be a disclaimer under this entire answer that
says, in quotes, easier said than done.
Like this is a very hard thing we're talking about.
Yeah, of course.
And I think about whenever I've worked with clients who were dealing with essentially
some sort of depression and one of the things we would talk about is, okay, well, it helps
to help someone else, right?
And Tom talked about helping their friends.
Yeah, that they're the person that they go to when people are having, yeah.
Exactly.
And I wonder if maybe Tom goes to their friends and just say, hey, you come to me all the
time with your stuff and your things, I need a little bit of help too.
And I wonder what shifts there for Tom when they change where they are in those relationships
because a lot of, too, what's going on, I think, is that you're not really communicating
fully what's going on with you in your relationships and who you are.
It's easy to get sucked into this other world that nobody else knows about and to isolate.
And so even though, like, okay, I have friends and they work and probably do all these things,
there's some isolation that's going on that's also a part of the issue.
So if I'm isolated and again, I'm getting all these messages and social media and, you
know, and of course, I'm going to dig and look for it.
You know, it's not like it's probably now, everything on YouTube that's coming up is about
some, you know, the animation.
That algorithm, your trap, your trapped in that algorithm.
Oh, man, and it's relentless.
I mean, yeah.
You know, it's interesting.
And in Tom's question also, and I know this is something that I struggle with.
I'm really interested to hear what you two think.
I tend to, like, I'm a fixer.
Like I want, I wanted to do list my way out of everything.
And Tom's doing a lot.
Tom's doing mindfulness work.
Tom's seeing a therapist.
Tom's, I mean, Tom's like doing a ton and everything's not always fixed.
Sometimes it's just you have to sit in these things and we talked about it in an earlier
question.
And I just, I wonder if that's not part of this.
I kind of hate that answer because I want to fix not just everything for me, but also
now for Tom too.
But it's realistic because there are some things that are going to be managed.
They won't be fixed.
They won't be cured.
You just have to manage them.
And I'm not saying that for Tom, but in general, like, when I think about conflict management,
that's not what we're talking about, but when I think about it, there are some conflicts
that'll be resolved and we can move forward.
There are some things we might need to negotiate and some conflicts.
It's called conflict management for a reason because there may not be very much change here.
So we're just going to be able to manage this with our differences.
Yeah.
Like, AI is coming, whether we like it or not.
Like we like it or not.
So you get to decide how you want to manage that.
You can hate it, but it's still going to be here.
Hang it out.
So you get to decide, but to your point, it's like, we do, we have all of these tools.
And of course, I've been a therapist.
I've been a coach.
I've done all of them.
You know, the meditation, everything, whatever you got, I've done it.
And continue to do it.
And sometimes it just helps to focus on one of those.
It's interesting.
What is the one thing that is helping me the most?
Because I just need to focus on this thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, Nika, to your point, sometimes it's a lot, right?
Like if you're doing all of the things, it also, especially for somebody that wants to
fix everything, you want all of the things that are going to work.
I wanted the meditation.
I'm going to do acupuncture.
I'm going to, you know, listen to the podcast.
I'm going to read the books.
I'm going to go to therapy.
I'm going to talk to my coach.
And I feel like that could also create this sense of anxiety where, or this sense of frustration
if you're feeling stuck in a place of not being able to see your way out.
So I love that.
I love that suggestion to be able to just focus on the one thing that's going to help.
And once you maybe start to feel like, okay, I'm starting to feel like something else,
then try another thing or add one more thing instead of overwhelming yourself with all
these different modalities to try and get you out of this space.
I mean, I think there's one thing that's really clear about Tom's question is, they're
not alone in this question.
No.
Absolutely.
You know, it makes me think of COVID, right?
And when it first happened and we didn't know like what it was and, you know, there was
tragedy, you know, all around us.
And we were quarantined.
And eventually at some point, I don't know about you all.
I'm like, I had to live.
I just, I may just be living in these four, you know, walls, but I, you know, I started
painting and doing all types of stuff that I did.
You were making a brand.
Nika, I started karaoke.
I was like, we started karaoke.
Like all kinds of stuff.
You know, I paint some in artisans, you know, and, and, you know, it was in this time of
uncertainty.
Like none of us knew what was going to happen.
And I made a decision to like, I'm going to live in this house and it's back.
I live in the town homes of like my little bit of, you know, backyard and my little bit
of front yard with my dog.
And so we were going to do.
And there are other people who like they were fixated on conspiracy theories and, you know,
all of these things.
And so like those were decisions, right?
That we all got to make.
And so even, you know, to Robyn's point, it is we get to decide.
And so if, I mean, if it's going to be 15 years from now, 10 years, am I really
going to be focused on the conspiracies or the negative or what have you?
I can't if I want to me.
Or am I going to paint?
Am I going to paint?
Am I going to paint?
Okay.
Am I going to paint my life away?
Do karaoke and have an online cooking class and all kinds of stuff.
Am I going to do that?
And so I think it's so much about perspective and decision.
Like you get to change your own mind.
You get to do that.
Right?
And it does this for us.
You get to do like it's a privilege, right?
That you can.
And if you're in the space like I can do this.
And is it hard to get through that stuff and to go, yeah, it is, but you can still do
it.
And it's a little by little.
It's not all of these.
This is big, huge.
I want to just, you know, be a totally different person to Marys.
It's little baby steps.
And this is what we do in coaching is just the smallest thing.
What's the smallest little tweak in your thought process today that we can do.
And let's just do that two times this week.
That's it.
Right?
Let's think positively for five minutes on Thursday and Saturday.
That's all.
That's it.
And then from there, we build on that.
And so I think, you know, that something is time is going through whatever they're going
through.
Like just these little baby steps and it keeps to Rosie's point like as present, even if
it's for five minutes or two minutes, right?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, like I said, Tom, you are not alone.
There's many of us out here and I hope that you feel more a part of a community and that
we're all here with you.
And for everyone who's listening, I do, I do just want to mention that headspace and that
includes this podcast.
It's, you know, we're going to provide mindfulness and wellbeing content.
But we don't necessarily provide clinical treatment.
So we like to make sure to point people to, you know, if you are struggling with any kind
of mental health conditions, please make sure, you know, talk to a licensed provider.
And we do also have a support resources page, which is headspace.com slash mental, dash,
health, dash resources.
So that's available to you as well.
And it's available to you or anyone you know who might be in a space where they need that.
And lastly, I do just want to say that if you or anyone you know is having thoughts of
suicide or self harm, please call or text 988, the suicide and crisis lifeline or call
911 or just in a pinch, go to the nearest emergency room.
So again, we just want to say thank you to Tom for that question.
And I want to say thank you to everyone for their questions.
I mean, these were very big questions about disappointment and guilt and fear.
And like I said, I think we can all relate to these feelings and these questions.
Yes, Robin.
Community is so important.
It's so important to have people around you that make you feel loved and supported.
Absolutely, the people that we surround ourselves with.
And so I certainly, you know, I love the idea of community and how we can, you know,
progress in that way.
Well, I'm glad that you two are a part of my community.
And I want to say thank you to Vicki, Gina and Tom.
Also now part of my community.
Thank you for bringing your questions to us.
And if you're sitting at home and you're listening and you've got to worry or concern
and it's just nagging at you, we're here for you and this whole community is here for
you.
And we're going to head over to say hi dot chat slash your head space to record your
question.
The link is in the show notes.
And if we use your questions in the show, you're going to get three months of head space
for free, which you can use or you can give to a loved one who you feel might want some
meditation and mindfulness help.
Yay.
We are here for you.
So don't be shy with the questions.
And now it's my turn to help everyone listening transition from these deep and meaningful
conversations.
We have built in some time to process or even just chill before going straight into the
next thing in your day.
So here are some sounds of the ocean at dusk.
Listen, reflect, let your mind do whatever it wants to do.
Until next time, stay happy, stay healthy and be kind to each other.
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