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So I was going to do the top of the podcast and talk about Chargers, Vikings and then the Warriors-Nuggets game.
And then the Chargers decided to kill the Vikings.
So...
I was going to watch the second half and then have some notes, but it was just the classic Thursday night stinker.
And it all kind of flipped in the beginning when Herbert seemed like he threw a pick six.
And then they called it back because they said the ball kind of moved on the ground and the Chargers drove down and then that was it.
So the Chargers... beating the Vikings.
And I guess we need to talk about that, other than the fact that the Vikings do not look like a playoff team this year.
And JJ McCarthy, the mystery continues.
So that, and then Denver and the Warriors, we had the whole year to talk about that.
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I think scandal is the right word here.
I'm going to do a very brief blink test NBA power poll for House, because I watched a ton of basketball over the last couple of days.
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There's a lot of stuff going on right now.
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The World Series is about to start.
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I bet Shohei Otani to win MVP at plus 165.
Oh, that's so square.
I love when you go square.
But Otani MVP at plus odds, like I got to have a taste of that, right?
All right, here's the agenda.
We're going to talk about all the gambling stuff that happened this week.
We're going to talk about an NBA power poll and me watching basically two straight days of games.
And I have a lot of thoughts.
And then we're going to do Ringer 107 NFL.
So the gambling thing broke today.
And it was a massive story.
And I was debating about like, do we want to do anything on the pod about it or wait until to see more facts, and things like, but this passed the test of so many people in my life asking me Yo, what do you think?
What is it?
And I just feel like we have to do something about it.
I just want to tell you the highlight, though.
My mom texted me right in the middle as I'm getting like a million texts.
I hope you and Sal aren't involved in this NBA betting scheme.
Exclamation point.
I can't tell if she was serious or not.
I did have a lot of people in my life say, as a joke, are you one degree removed?
Is this three degrees removed?
How far removed?
One degree of separation?
So here's the thing, and this is going to sound like I'm making a defense of the gambling universe which, as you know, I love, you love.
We've been in it for this entire century, basically.
I think with the, with the, with the way the legalized gambling happened in all the states, It's gonna be rocky here in a couple different ways as we sort through this decade with what you can and can't do right.
The good side is that the best books They can monitor all this shit.
If anything nefarious is going on, they're going to sniff it out.
And that's what's happened over and over again with all this stuff.
They always sniff it out anytime there's a regular stuff.
So in a weird way, it's being policed, I think, better than it's ever been.
Where we have an issue, and this is what I thought happened, especially with the Damon Jones thing.
That was the most interesting part of this whole thing to me.
Damon Jones, who's obviously friends with LeBron James.
He finds out LeBron's not playing in a Milwaukee Bucks game and tells allegedly, tell somebody he knows Hey, you know, LeBron's not playing.
Like, don't forget about me.
He's like D Jones has to eat, whatever he said.
And this is an issue.
I think the, the NBA and NFL specifically have baseball too, obviously.
Um, where they can get Intel that somebody is not playing or somebody is hurt and they can get that Intel ahead of time and quickly make smaller scale bets.
Um, but it's the players controlling information that's coming from them where they don't even know where it's going.
They're just telling a buddy, they have no like I'm telling you.
Yeah, I might not record my pod tonight.
You know, this happened here.
Like, Oh, I'm going to tell FanDuel Simmons isn't like, that's kind of what's going on in house.
I don't know how they police this.
Well, they can't really police that specific situation that you're describing with the Damon Jones thing.
What's being alleged on that particular fact pattern?
Because...
Yes, there is already in place a series of injury reports over the course of a day.
Every single day, the NBA puts out, what, on the hour, every two hours, an injury report.
The very first one, you know, identifies guys and gives um likelihood of playing and, over the course of string, questionable right.
Probable.
And some of what's been alleged in these indictments is like guys going from probable to out right over the course of a day.
But that at least is a form of communication that lets the market know here are the possibilities for guys that are going to be possibly playing, possibly impaired, whatever the situation is.
And for the most part, you can kind of see it coming.
It is the case now that the journalism around the NBA, the NBA info sphere is sufficient.
Like, oh, that guy did something, tweaked a calf last night.
So he shows up on the injury report the next day.
It might say it started off as probable at the morning shoot around or whatever.
And then over the course of the day.
Maybe the condition changes, it worsens.
But you can, if you're trying to gamble on stuff, build that into what you anticipate.
Like the intuition.
The Warriors might rest Curry.
It's a back-to-back.
Right.
You can kind of infer certain things.
I think the difference with this though, What this opens up is, all the people connected to a good player's life can take advantage of that if they want to right the equipment managers, the trainers, somebody who's like a security guard in the building who overhears Steph say yeah, I'm not playing tonight.
And that's where it gets hard to police.
But this is where I think the sportsbooks actually they can know, especially with the unders and some of the some of the bets, that they can go.
That's weird.
Why are all these people betting on the Terry Rozier under?
That's how that started.
It was like this irregular betting pattern that they noticed.
Well, the window of opportunity...
For the non-public information is before the first injury report.
So like it seems it has to be the case.
I have not, you know, sat down and committed to full memory.
I have not either.
I was busy, too busy today to read the entire reading indictments and stuff.
But you know for both Damon Jones and what's being alleged about Chauncey, which is he told somebody in advance of a game that he was going to sit all the best players.
That one's different.
So the Chauncey thing moves into Pete Rose territory.
And Chauncey allegedly is in both sides of this because this is two different things.
It's an illegal poker scheme.
Which was crazy, with x-rays in the tables and you're putting in tinted contact lenses to see marked cards.
Like, shit, I didn't even, I've heard a lot of crazy illegal poker game stories.
I didn't even know you could do this stuff.
That's what rich guys do to each other.
You know what I mean?
That's rich guy crime.
I'm on crime.
You know, who's never played an illegal poker game.
This guy right here.
I don't trust it.
Yeah.
Good, good intuition.
It's interesting.
The game they pointed out, it was the 2021, Twenty three team.
It was Dame was there and they kind of shut Dame down for the rest of the season because they were trying to tank that scoot Henderson pick.
And it was the first game he got shut down on.
He had played the game before.
And you can see the before afterward, the box scores of oh, they still have some of their guys too.
We have none of our guys.
And if it's true that he tipped somebody off, that they were doing this in a way that he wanted that person to gain financially from it, that's about as dark as anything that's happened in the NBA since Donahue, if that's true.
So...
The way that has to go down, though, is that the context surrounding the direction of the team.
I mean, this is this requires time and energy that I promise I will not commit to the situation.
I did it today.
It was right as they and they were already they'd lost.
There we go.
See, they'd won that before.
It was in the mix. to the tank.
They're headed in a tank direction.
So the market is already kind of anticipating.
So the advantage that he would have conferred is telling somebody absolutely without.
Uh, equivocation.
These guys are definitely not playing.
And that news, doesn't he have an obligation in the injury report?
All those names at the very first time the injury report appears.
Uh, Should have had those names on it.
And I'm not going back and looking at it, but we can.
Yeah, but you can put that game before it comes out.
You can put in the game and the bet before it comes out that Dame's getting shoved.
Because the key with this is Dame was playing...
And he realizes, all right, we're cutting this.
We're sitting Dame for the rest of the season, basically.
I'm going to give this information to somebody if that's what he did.
Non-public information that pre-sees the injury report.
You can bet.
You can bet when you wake up first thing in the morning.
So this is true that he did that.
And then he's also in this other, the legal poker side of it too.
But that was a one-time thing.
The way the indictment reads.
He's like he helped get some lore some poor sucker to the poker game one time.
But he's still in it.
He's like...
If all this is true, we're not going to.
This guy coached last night.
I watched last night.
He did.
Him coaching.
He did do that.
He was a coach on the floor.
Yes.
And then they sprung this.
Pushed all his chips to the middle.
I don't think it was unintentional that they sprung this in the worst possible timing for the NBA.
Not unintentional.
Stephen A pointed that out on first take today that this is you know we're coming off this incredible Wemby game.
That is what we should have been leading the podcast with today.
And they just cut the legs out of it.
And I mean, two incredible games, two incredible nights for the NBA.
Welcome back.
A beautiful night on NBC followed up by an impeccable night on ESPN.
Inside the NBA, it's firing on all cylinders.
We have a legendary, a career-defining game out of Wemby.
And the next day, it's Cash Patel time, baby.
It's not even the next day.
It was 10 hours later.
I got Cash.
Chauncey was on this list.
And this is crazy.
This guy's a Hall of Famer.
I think one of the more respected players we've had this century, his name was Mr. Big shot.
And he ends up on this list.
Some of the people involved, these are some of the nicknames house in this indictment list.
Spanish G, Flappy, The Wrestler, Spook, Juice, Black Tony, Sugar, Albanian Bruce, John South, Doc, Black Rob, and Pookie.
We need to give out all those nicknames and apply them to ringer people.
We need to do a draft.
I mean, I already know who Black Tony is.
I know who Flappy is.
So do you think Black Tony, you think there was a white Tony?
There were two Tonys and they had to split up the Tonys?
Very possible.
I had a lot of questions.
Very possible.
Albanian Bruce couldn't just be Bruce.
He had to be Albanian Bruce.
Well, there was another Bruce.
Weren't there two Bruce's?
I feel like there were two Bruce's.
But the thing is, this guy's, Albanian Bruce's real name was Osman Hoti.
Fine.
So, yeah.
There was a Doc.
There has to be a Doc in all of this.
There was a Doc and a Pookie.
That's what really made it feel authentic.
So, yeah, the Chauncey thing, bad.
Roger.
So here's the bad.
Yes.
What's bad?
Just everything.
Bad.
Yeah.
Bad.
His career will be over in the NBA.
Roger.
It's the other really interesting piece of this was cleared by the NBA.
Like they had real hardcore stuff with Rozier that was really bad.
And the NBA cleared him, said they looked at his phone.
And now this is a he said, he said thing with did Rozier, what did he do?
Now, Rozier's career has gone into the absolute tank over the last two years, right?
Really, as all of this started.
And Turnitin was a guy that Miami traded for from Charlotte and gave up a first round pick.
And we thought it was gonna be this impactful trade.
And two years later, his career is definitely over.
I'm sure Miami will figure out how to get him taken off the salary cap somehow and then replace him with a much better player.
That's going to happen.
Yeah.
We're not going to be allowed to bet on that.
No, you can, you can do that.
But, um, so those are the big three.
And I do think on the one hand, I don't feel like this is as big of a deal as it feels like.
Like, I think the Donahue thing was a much bigger deal.
It's like, 10 times of a bigger deal.
This is like yeah, if gambling is going to be more and more prevalent, we're probably going to have a couple of bad apples and everybody's going to learn how to behave and deal with it.
And maybe don't share information about who's playing, not playing and people you don't trust.
Maybe just don't share it at all.
How about that?
That's what the injury report is for.
Let me ask you the big picture.
Because I think the player-unders, especially in the NBA, are problematic.
And if I was like... If they made me the czar of sports gambling, right?
Which I think I might have a chance when you see some of Trump's cabinet.
I can't be ruled out.
Oh, okay.
If you made me the czar, I just want to know why we have player-unders...
Why not just be able to bet overs or nothing, especially in basketball, and especially when it's not Steph Curry, when you're talking about Quentin Post over-unders and Al Horford under threes, and To me that's a danger area we could just eliminate.
So I would just tweak it a tiny bit and just con-con-con.
Conceal?
No, I can't come up with the word.
Tighten up.
Tighten up.
Constrict?
That's it.
Thank you.
Golly.
We're so old.
Eat the coffee.
Yeah, take the pool of eligible players.
Just give out props on a handful of players.
Just let it be the players that we know that we have reasonable certainty are going to play.
You can take the props down if the guy ends up not playing because it's load management, whatever.
But let's just have you don't need really do we need quitting post props?
Did we need Jonte Porter props?
Honestly, I would do this for NFL too.
I would only have like the bigger stars.
Like, do we need Kayshaun Booty props?
Do we need it to be like under three and a half for his catches and things like?
He's actually pretty good.
Maybe he's a bad example.
Yeah, man.
Give me a booty crop.
But maybe it's like Kyle Williams, the Patriots rookie.
Like over under one and a half catches.
Like that's where I think it goes sideways.
So I would...
If I was in charge of this, I would steer the props toward big players only.
Yeah, you can do that.
There's some other radical stuff you could do, like freeze the lines five hours before the games and stuff like that.
But that's really unfair if somebody gets scratched late.
The thing in baseball that happened, allegedly with a couple of the Cleveland Indians pitchers being able to bet on pitches, I think is insane.
I would probably get rid of that.
The first pitch props.
Holy cow.
I do wonder if 10 years from now, we're either going to have more of this or less.
I would prefer less, but I think it's going to shake out the way it's going to shake out.
I still feel like, look, there's way more gambling across the board than there used to be.
You can see it everywhere.
You can certainly see it on this podcast.
And I think some of this stuff has to shake out.
But we've always had the gambling stuff.
I wonder, do you think...
All of these things still happen if gambling hadn't been more legalized across the states in the last 10 years.
I would argue the illegal poker games, we've been hearing about those for 30 years.
As long as we've been sentient.
I've been gambling on basketball since I was 17 years old.
How did I do that?
How is that possible?
I knew a guy.
There were lines.
There were lines in the newspaper.
There weren't lines online, but there was a line in the Boston Globe every day.
Right.
And the NFL is.
They're finding teams that lie in the injury report because they're putting these spreads out in the newspaper every day.
Basically, we've always been doing this.
I just feel like we're more honest about it.
In the process of being more honest about it.
I think that's a plus, not a minus.
That's where we are.
Like, it's so much more regulated.
The books can, all established books can detect irregularities very rapidly.
I mean, even the Rozier game, didn't they shut that down?
Didn't they close off?
Shut it down right away.
Yeah, right away.
And immediately, same thing with Jontae Porter.
Like, oh, there are bets here and it doesn't even have to be very sizable increments, right?
It's not like those dummies did attempt sizable increments because they're dummies.
But you know there are and we'll see.
These indictments reveal how you can get to scale, how you can get to 200000 on an outcome without calling undue attention.
You're spreading it out, using proxies.
That's not online usually.
That's usually putting them on different casinos.
That's how they do it.
They have like 10 runners. is putting places.
Yes, exactly.
But you mentioned Jontae Porter.
To me, that's the perfect example of why this is a little bit broken.
Why are we allowed to bet on Jontae Porter-unders?
I didn't even know he was in the NBA.
He was playing, what was it, on Toronto?
He was like the 15th man.
It would be like, I'm trying to think of anyone I watched in that Celtics-Sixers game last night.
The most obscure guy in that game.
Barlow.
Barlow.
I had to look up Barlow.
Bidding unders on Barlow blocked shots.
That shouldn't be a bet.
Barlow got all the beat minutes in the fourth quarter, and he fucking deserved them.
How about that?
I can't wait to talk about that.
So, yeah.
Are there any other fixes you would do?
For you can just just, you know the the, the prop pool, you know, tightening it up a little bit makes sense to me.
Okay.
Well, uh, we're going to come back with Albanian Bruce Black Rob and Pookie.
No, no.
Um, I want to do some PowerPulse stuff with you on NBA.
And by the way, we'll keep talking about the gambling.
There'll be a lot more information that comes to light, right?
We don't have enough info yet.
I wanted to talk about it, but I also feel like the story is going to evolve and move.
Like to me, people are saying this is the biggest issue the NBA has right now.
I completely disagree.
I really do.
I think the biggest issue they have is the schedule.
And I still can't believe that Houston OKC game I watched on Tuesday night and how hard those motherfuckers played and have to do that 81 more times plus playoffs.
And I'm in Thompson, who's probably the one of the five best athletes in the league and is young and should be able to go all day, and he's about to keel over.
They have to pull him out because he's getting cramps.
And if you watch the game, how crazy he was playing back and forth.
I'm much more concerned about how much speed mileage, how much these guys run the studies teams are doing, about how much they run, how much sprinting they're doing during games.
It's not sustainable.
It's not.
And I think that's a bigger issue for the league.
That's the concern I had watching that Wemby game last night.
Like we only should get one of those every two weeks, maybe even only once a month, where he goes to that level, with that level of intensity.
Like when they they were up by double digits with seven minutes left in the fourth quarter and he is still playing.
I'm like, get Wendy off the court.
Get that man.
Right.
He's done enough.
Right, and he only played 29 minutes, but they were hard 29 minutes.
Incredible 29.
So yeah, listen, they have to figure out all the gambling stuff.
My thing with the NBA is Sober's a smart dude.
They had a lot of smart people looking at this and I think they knew it was going to be rocky for a couple years and there were going to be a couple sacrificial lambs.
And they're going to be, as Barkley said on Inside the NBA today, which I've really enjoyed on ESPN.
They've not fucked with the show.
I got to give them credit to that.
It feels like the exact same show on a different channel.
But Barkley, they were arguing about whether this is like a gambling problem or whatever.
And Barkley's like, these people are just stupid.
He's right.
This is a stupid problem.
He is right.
Which is...
I agree with.
So how do we regulate the stupid?
It's going to be.
It's self-executing.
It's going to be a work in progress.
Well, it's self-executing.
I mean, you know, if guys want to self-sabotage, there's plenty of you know attorney whatever, ready to take them and put them in shackles and Kash Patel.
We'll take a quick break and then we'll do the PowerPoll.
All right, coming back.
PowerPoll.
I watched both games Tuesday.
I watched six straight hours of hoops on Wednesday.
I had the three TVs going, which you've seen, plus my iPad.
I had four going at once.
I was just trying to soak in as much as I possibly could.
House, we're getting old.
I have to retrain myself how to watch four basketball games at once.
I really was having to struggle with it.
So that, so I had that, that, then that ended.
Um, but the, the heart wants what the heart wants.
And my eyes kept drifting towards Charlotte.
Oh yeah.
It's just a delight, just a delightful league pass team.
I really enjoyed them.
I took a spin through lead pass.
I only had two.
I can handle two at one time.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Two screens at once.
The Charlotte game, I did not land on that one.
I don't need to see Brooklyn.
That really was the decision for me.
I'm interested in Charlotte, but I don't need to see Brooklyn.
I want to rip through a quick power poll, just a little snapshot.
There's some overreactions in here, but just after two days, and there's games going on right now.
As we're talking, Indiana's playing OKC.
Later tonight, Denver's playing Golden State.
Oh, right.
Favorites still OKC.
Contenders, so initially...
I had Denver, Knicks, Cavs, Minnesota. in the Clippers as the contenders.
I'm replacing the Clippers with Houston.
That was the big ad for me after watching that game, which I talked about already on Tuesday.
But the size and what we saw from Shingun and Ahmed Thompson, what the potential is of KD when they figure out how to use him.
I think we did the over-unders with Zach, what, two weeks ago?
Yes.
And I went under and I regret it because the ceiling of that team, I think, is a little higher than maybe I gave it credit for.
What did you think?
I went under as well, but I know that's not what you're asking.
But the reason is because they do still yet need some guard play.
They do still yet need some perimeter scoring.
Like Dylan Brooks.
Whatever the limitations are, that dude shot nearly 40 from three for them last year.
Jalen Green, whatever the limitations are, could create a shot under the right circumstances.
They don't really.
Ahmaud Thompson could end up being that guy.
But man, there's a lot of one-on-one, though.
There's a lot of clear out somebody beating somebody up the dribble or somebody posting up on a on a side And not a lot of easy stuff over the course of all the number of games that they have to play.
That limitation will kind of reveal itself to be a vulnerability.
That's a badass basketball team.
Let there be no doubt.
I mean, I really liked I think I forgot to mention this Tuesday night I really liked how Jabari looked.
It was somebody I've always liked.
I've kept all my stock I thought he had some good moments.
I feel like it was the most confident version of Jabari we've seen maybe in his entire career.
He knew who he was supposed to be on the floor with that team.
And he's like, I'm here for it.
I thought he was very good.
Yeah, so they have to be in there, because if Shingun and Thompson, I had them in the high 20s when we did Ringer 100, but if they're moving up toward the low 20s or maybe even the teens, combined with KD, combined with some of their depth, it might be enough.
To overcome all the other stuff.
I went on Eddie and Termini's show yesterday.
Awesome.
And we were talking about this Reed Shepard thing, which you had, the Brent Price joke that I give you credit for on Tuesday.
He's not Mark Price, he's Brent Price.
We'll see how it goes with Rich Guy Reed.
But Rich Kid Reed, that was what...
A friend of mine who saw him at Summer League said he was like a rich kid in an AAU tournament, which I thought was funny.
Pretty good.
But we were talking to Eddie Johnson.
We were talking about the Matt Maloney season.
Eddie was on that team.
That Barkley, Drexler, Hakeem.
They make the, I think, Western Finals against Utah.
Yeah.
And it came down to Stockton versus Matt Maloney.
And Matt Maloney, who they kind of like duct taped as a starter and been able and he could make a couple of threes and he was okay.
He was an Ivy leaguer.
Kudos to him for making it in the league.
But then it got to John Stockton time and he got worked like a speed bag and it cost them a playoff series.
Right.
So the question for me with Houston is are they going to leave that door open for a Matt Maloney situation and do what you've been saying for a month?
Go trade for a fucking point guard.
Yeah.
They have time.
I think they'll get a guard.
I do think they're going to do it.
I'm sure they're monitoring.
I mean, Derek White was incredible yesterday.
Wow.
You just said that out loud.
I don't want to trade Derek White.
Why did you put him in this conversation?
Because I think if Houston got a real guard, I think they could actually win the title.
Derek White is better than a real guard.
Derek White is fucking good.
Yeah, but they have all these asses in this war chest.
Yeah, Lord have mercy.
I'm not the first one who said that.
That's Derek White's floater drum.
All right.
So Denver, Knicks, Cavs, Minnesota, Houston.
Only other thing I noticed last night, and especially down the stretch, see a little comeback win for the Timberwolves.
Beat Chauncey.
He sent Chauncey packing, literally.
There was a little don't forget about me in that game where it's like all these teams, these new guys on the new teams.
It's Wemby Cooper Flag, the West Minnesota.
We talked about how they had, I think, the six best odds in the West and People were discounting them in general.
But there was a, there was a fuck you energy that he had in that game.
He needed it because they had to outscore the Trailblazers 30 to 19 in the fourth quarter.
Win the goddamn game.
They were just, you know, sort of cruising along.
It was like, dude, this is game one.
Don't just show up and think that the trailblazers is going to roll over.
Jeremy Grant ain't here to just roll over for you.
I mean, we had a classic Jeremy Grant game last night.
Black Tony's texting Chauncey at halftime.
Chauncey's like, not now.
Don't let me send Pookie down there.
Denver is about to play.
We haven't even seen them yet with their beautiful bench.
I did see Mike Malone on the inside of the NBA today.
I think it's Michael.
Michael Malone, promoting that they didn't have a bench when he coached the team.
And then Cavs, I don't want to hear a Cavs conversation until Garland is back and healthy.
Let's see him healthy and playing well for two weeks.
That feels fair.
That feels fair.
So OKC, then Denver Knicks, Cavs, Minnesota, Houston.
Next group, two teams, possible contenders.
Orlando and Golden State.
And we'll see Golden State tonight.
I liked how Golden State took care of business in the Los Angeles game.
Me too.
How Kaminga they're basically the words Sean Marion have been thrown around for what Kerr wants from them this year.
No, listen. just run the floor defense, rebounding athleticism.
Just do that for us as a contract.
Okay.
It's a concept.
Just be Sean Marion for us.
We want to describe a concept and we're going to use the word, the name Sean Marion, to describe the concept, not the Player, Sean Marion.
Not the player.
Just conceptually do a Sean Marion impersonation.
Okay.
You know, the Horford thing.
I love Big Al, one of the most popular Celtics of all time.
I did kind of hit fuck you mode watching him in a Warriors uniform.
Why?
Well, he left twice.
He left Boston the first time he signed with Philly.
Yeah.
Came back.
We won the title with him.
And then he's like, now I'm going to go chase a title with Golden State.
Well, he already won a title, but for a little more money, he's made a lot.
Yeah, I wouldn't say he's chasing a title.
He had a good place to go to get another contract.
What's wrong with that?
We loved him in Boston.
Well, Boston would give him a contract.
Listen, I'm not saying it's rational.
I just got spiteful watching.
I was like, fuck you.
So unlike you.
How dare you're on Golden State?
Yeah, it hurt my feelings.
I didn't think it was going to hurt my feelings, but it did.
He should have retired with the Celtics.
He can still do that.
As usual, there's no loyalty in sports.
I don't know why I care.
He can still do that with the additional $25 million in his pocket.
But Golden State, possible contenders, but could see them moving up a notch.
Sure.
I like the vibe with them, and they very comfortably kicked the Lakers' ass.
It was really professional.
It was very orderly.
They were like, okay, this is fine.
Good job.
Pat them on the head.
And then Orlando, who let Miami hang around for a while last night and then took care of business down the stretch.
But You know, newsflash Desmond Bain's good at basketball.
He's the top 40 to 45 player, and they added him and gave up nothing.
They just gave up future assets that weren't going to help them this year.
So Orlando, maybe.
I, I, if I'm an Orlando fan and we went, we went, I went slight under on them.
Did you go under on them?
It's like 50 and a half.
Yes.
Yes.
Just, you know, 49 wins is still fine.
I wonder do you think 51, 52 wins could win the East if Cleveland continues to just have guys bouncing in and out and not ever being 100 healthy?
No, because the Knicks... You think it's higher?
Well, one of my locks was the Knicks over 53 and a half, I think.
Yeah, so...
So what's the number?
What's the number for the winning record in the East?
57 or 58 to me.
Okay.
And I think the Knicks can do it.
But I want to watch them a little more carefully.
See how Suggs didn't play a ton of minutes in that first game.
I think a month from now...
We all bet over on Cleveland, by the way, me, you and Zach.
I think we were in agreement.
I'm aware.
And the number was 56 and a half, I think, for Cleveland, wasn't it?
I'm not worried.
Okay.
Just saying they're all healthy.
What number wins the East?
It's gotta be North of 56 and a half.
That's all I'm saying.
I hope so.
Okay.
I'm just, I'm trying to figure out a path for Orlando to be a one seed.
And I think the wind number would have to be way lower.
Next category, the sleeper, San Antonio.
So look, this is what happens with the NBA.
Everybody goes nuts when we're all watching something at the same time.
And people throw the word insane around, because insane is the most used word in probably sports watching.
And it was insane.
I would argue it was actually underrated how insane it was.
I was in awe.
To me this was like Tiger that first year in 97 just demolishing golf courses and we're like what's going on?
Him doing that to Dallas, not just Davis.
But you have Lively there, you have Flagg, you have this good defensive identity.
And he completely eviscerated them in a way that we talked about in the Over Under pod.
I was all in on San Antonio being much better this year.
You did.
You did.
And I really thought he had a chance.
I thought him at 12 to 1 to win MVP was probably the best value odds.
And who knows if he can even play 65 games.
But what he did in that game was one of the most frightening things I've seen on a basketball court.
And I can't even think of that many other examples.
This is, that's the problem with it.
It is so rare now for us, as sports fans, to see an athlete that I'll just you know, put it in a dumb way takes our breath away.
That doesn't really even begin to tell the story.
I can't believe my eyes are seeing something that I don't think I've seen before.
That's 100%.
I can't compare him to anybody, For all of the years we've been watching basketball.
I can't compare him to anybody.
Like.
No, it'd be like if there was a seven foot wide receiver who is basically like a seven foot Randy Moss and they were just throwing 50 yard passes to him and he would just jump up and catch them.
And we were like, what's going on?
How is this a human being?
Yeah.
The speed is incredible.
I mean what he did in terms of taking Anthony Davis out sort of north of the circle.
He starts shaking.
What?
I hear the other his crossover, he double crossovers, he has these and then he's at the rim in a stride and he just flushes the fuck out of it.
What?
What did I just see in the three point shooting?
Um, I loved he was clearly realized he needs to be a little more around the rim.
Yes.
Yes.
And newsflash.
We've been telling you that for two years, but I'm glad he figured it out.
And then defensively.
It's always fun to see the new guy like flag.
Uh, I was like ah, this will be fine.
I'll figure him out.
And he had a couple moments where he was like, oh, my God.
I didn't realize.
Listen, we talked about this in the Overrunners pod.
He just is moving better.
He's more...
I don't want to say more coordinated, but all the stuff he's done to work on his balance and his footwork, you really see a difference.
That first year, he was falling over half the time.
He's a child.
He's still growing.
He's not grown.
He's still growing.
He's still filling out physically.
I was thinking there was one play he had.
Maybe it was when he did that through his legs 19 times, hit a three and got fouled.
And then cut to the Spurs bench and multiple guys were like this with their hands behind their head.
And I was thinking like, the Thomas Hill test.
Yes.
About the later shot.
They cut to him after.
He's just like, Oh my God.
He's just like, I just in shock.
And, I think that's the rarest level an athlete can get to.
When you're Thomas Hill testing your teammates or people on the bench, they're just like and these guys are just playing basketball every day.
They've seen every incarnation of everything.
They're playing with him.
His teammates play with him and they can't believe what they're seeing.
Right.
We haven't had a basketball player do that.
I know.
I was trying to think about Curry when he was breaking through.
Starting to make the threes was, I think, the last one that gave people that feeling.
Yeah, so the two that I was wondering about, and I'll go back and look because I am actually kind of intrigued by this intellectual exercise.
Young Shaq was mind blowing, Orlando Shaq.
Yeah.
Orlando, when he was like super skinny, when he started, it was like, yeah, nobody can stop him.
There's no way.
The only way to, to, you know, you have to foul him.
And by fouling, I mean, grab him by the arm and hold it.
Cause you can't.
So the way he ran the, You and I both separately saw him in those first two years.
And we were just like, Oh my God.
What's that?
Is this guy going to be the best player in the history of the league?
But I don't.
So Shaq's a good one.
I don't think we felt ever felt that way with Giannis.
I mean, Giannis was always... He jumps out at you, right?
And because the physical specimen is incomparable...
But it took a while for the basketball part to kind of come in.
It was never 100% like it was with the Wemby thing.
It was like, whoa, this is really cool.
But that was when we had that unicorn era with Porzingis and some of these other like whoa, these guys.
We haven't seen people like this.
Wemby's beyond a unicorn.
I mean, nobody's ever done that on a basketball court before.
I was watching with my son who for the last like five, six years, has been playing all the NBA 2K, all those games.
And he had this player created when he was a kid called JJ McCutcheon.
And the guy would have like be a 99 in every category, but he was also seven feet tall.
And we would, and I would always be like, Ben, this isn't like somebody who would be a real perv.
It's like, yeah, but that's what makes them awesome.
And we're watching and he's like, this is like JJ McCutcheon.
This is like the guy I created.
But if the guy was actually a real person.
The kid says that.
Here's what I want.
I'm going to ask.
Can we talk to some old heads?
I want to know what your dad thinks.
How did he feel when he first saw Wilt?
And did he get to see Will live ever?
I do think Will and Russell were both like this.
There's unquestionably all the reports from back then, like Russell's defense...
And the way he ran the floor and could protect the rim, nobody had just ever seen it.
Yeah.
And then Will came in with some of the, you know, you can see some of it's on YouTube.
Some of his finger roll stuff and like his power and his power on the rim.
It just didn't exist.
Right, right.
Those are two good ones.
Kareem had the sky hook that in person. you really had to, it's just, it does.
It was just different in person.
You just kind of cut it.
You were like, how's anyone ever going to block that?
Um, magic and bird had the passing.
Obviously Jordan had the athleticism.
Dominique has an in-game dunker.
Hmm.
I thought had a little of like nod in person, but nothing like that.
No, no, no, no, no.
This was, and I will say LeBron in the late two thousands, his first two MVP season.
Okay.
And I remember writing about this once.
Um, cause I wrote.
I remember writing a piece about how he had arrived in like Oh nine, but he had this play at a Clipper game where it felt like he just dunked two steps from mid court and the speed he had, it was so fast.
We were all, you could just kind of hear the arena buzzing after it was so crazy athletic.
Right.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
What was that?
Athletic Carl Malone.
Like, hard to believe.
That's the sheer size at that speed.
So we just went through nine of the top 12 players in the history of the game.
So there we go.
Well, that was always the ceiling for him.
Nobody thought Tiger was going to walk in and kill the Masters.
You are right.
And crush everybody.
You are correct.
Nobody thought LeBron was going to make the finals in 07.
Sometimes this just happens earlier than you.
Nobody thought Duncan was going to win the title in his second year.
Maybe some people did.
I don't remember.
But it's always faster.
Nobody thought OKC was going to be a contender.
And all of a sudden they were.
And I wonder with San Antonio, is this just going to happen fast now?
Is this a supercharge where we should just start?
If Wemby's going to be healthy all year, this is a top 17 period.
And I don't know the answer.
It's fascinating because we didn't really get a feel for what the role players, what the team around him looks like, how they're going to compete night in, night out.
All we got was what really feels like a once in a lifetime performance.
Like in one week.
In a one week span, we got Shohei Otani with one of the Top three best baseball games in the history of the sport.
Yeah.
You know, fine.
If you want to call it number one, I'm not going to argue with you.
And then we got this this, this game out of Wemby, a human specimen that is unlike any basketball player we've we've seen, with the kind of dominance that is unparalleled.
And we got an x-ray table illegal poker game scandal.
I mean, what a week for all of us.
On FanDuel, Spurs over under is now up to minus, it's up 45 and a half now.
Yeah.
And I still think it's too low.
Two full games or at least one full game.
No, it was 44 and a half, went down to 43.
Now it's 45.
Okay.
But, I just find it hard to believe that's not a contender.
Here's the other thing with them house.
I loved how Cornette looked with them.
Yeah.
Um, they have trade stuff if they want it.
Sure.
If they want to go really try to upgrade somebody, they didn't have deer and Fox in that game.
I loved how castle looked. in that game.
I thought what a fit.
I thought I just felt like he went up a level and clearly um, I liked how he had a couple of good alley-oops to Wendy.
Symbiosis.
They are on the same page and them too.
Unquestionably the sleeper this year.
Uh, next one, the aspiration gang, the Clippers.
So move them down.
They were so bad.
I watched the first half of that Utah game.
They were so bad that I don't even know what to make of it.
It has to be flagged.
Why did they, why did they show up that way?
What do you think the explanation is?
One thing, we went over on them.
We almost put them in our super boost.
Because we needed them to get to 50 games, right?
The total is 49 and a half.
Can they get to... We didn't put them in the super boost though.
No, no.
I mean, because you can't trust...
They did a good job of building out their bench.
I mean, I think the thesis for expecting them in the 48 to 52 win range is a sound thesis, but shit can go wrong.
I do wonder about the personality though.
And it's one game.
I want to watch them more.
And I especially want to see them in person.
But you have quiet Kawhi.
You have Harden who's in his own world.
Your guy, Bradley Beal.
Oof.
Who is like the, come on guys, let's fucking go guy on that team?
Chris Paul's too old.
Isn't it Lopez?
It should be Brooke Lopez.
He's not doing that.
They don't have the guy is my point.
So you're down 20 in Utah and the team's like, okay.
Let me ask you this.
I didn't like their body language at all.
You think that was Will Hardy's Super Bowl?
He's like, I just want everybody in the basketball world to know.
To remember that I'm good at keeping up.
I just want you to see what I could do.
Here's what it's game one.
The season's going to go.
I have some good players.
Here's the stuff we're going to do.
I could do this.
We could.
I could take these Utah white boys and get out here and run a basketball team this way.
We're probably not going to do it all season long, but I just want you to see it.
Well, I'll tell you this.
Kessler jumped out of the TV.
He was fucking awesome in that game.
Remember in the Knicks, we're like, we're trying to get Kessler.
It's like, cool.
Kessler is good.
We're not just giving him to you.
He looked great, though.
It's going to be...
I guess their guards will be the key to them tanking Utah.
Yes.
But when you have Kessler and Markkinen, you're just going to hang around in some of these games.
I think one of the lessons of watching all the games last night The talent is so fucking deep.
It's outrageous.
I just can't believe how many good players there are.
Even Charlotte, my beloved league past Charlotte team.
Colin Sexton is just on the side just coming in.
That guy in the mid-2000s would have started on playoff teams.
This is a nice observation you're making because I wanted to give out a handful of fuck yous.
Hey, Atlanta Hawks, fuck you.
Like, here's the thing, right?
It's game one.
It's time to show up.
It's time to show out a little bit.
LA Clippers, here's a nice fuck you for you.
Put it on a platter.
I mean, the teams that showed up Like, oh, we're just going to kind of roll through.
I was impressed.
The Heat, no fuck you for the Heat.
Good job, Heat.
Heat competed, right?
No hero.
Norm Powell was up for it.
How about Davion Mitchell?
Davion Mitchell.
It seemed like that had flash-in-the-pan possibilities.
The Chargers just scored.
It's 21-3.
This might just be the podcast tonight.
Good.
I do have a nice fuck you for the Pistons as well.
I just want to give one out for the Pistons.
Well, I want to get to them in a second.
So the Aspiration gang, the Clippers.
By the way, I Googled Aspiration to see if there's a logo, because I was going to do a joke and send it to you.
Okay.
And when you Google Aspiration, the first thing that comes up is how it's people that choke on their own vomit.
What?
Oh, aspiration.
Yes.
The physical phenomena.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
That is, I guess I'm surprised.
After choking on your own vomit.
Why was that the charity?
No wonder it went under.
That's such a great, great joke.
Vomit choking charity.
How did we miss this?
How did we miss this joke?
I don't know.
It took me forever.
We've been going on for two months now.
We missed this joke.
It's amazing.
Bomber choked on his own vomit.
$50 million.
Uncle Dennis didn't choke.
Uncle Dennis got all that cash.
Next category.
Now we're dropping off.
This category is called let's see in March.
I got Dallas here and I got Milwaukee here for different reasons.
Dallas.
I just, I want to go on the record really emphatically.
This flag playing point guard thing is fucking stupid.
It's stupid.
Stop, Jason Kidd.
We know you got your extension.
We know you lucked out with the lottery.
We know you did this with Giannis in Milwaukee.
But this is not the right way to bring in a kid who's not even 19 and who doesn't know what kind of basketball player he is yet, but he clearly is special.
You're putting all this extra stuff on him that I think is ridiculous.
I don't understand.
As soon as Kyrie comes back, he's never playing point guard again.
What is the point of this?
Who's supposed to play point guard for them?
Play D'Angelo Russell and Nembhard.
Who cares?
It's October.
What I don't want to do is have Flagg dribbling the ball up against Against Castle and people like that.
Like, that's crazy.
You mean guys will just go take the ball from him?
Yeah, he's not a point guard.
He's six, eight and a half.
He's played forward his whole life.
I just, I hated it.
And Anthony Davis.
Yes. moving into a different phase of his career.
Watch.
Well, it's game one.
I'm not on it yet, but I just didn't love the bot.
Here's the thing, right?
Let's see 2012.
And he's a big guy and big guys don't usually age.
Well, we want to see them play a team that doesn't have.
I mean, we have to come up with some way to describe Wembiana.
That's not unicorn.
It's so superior to unicorn.
The most superior iteration of a unique being.
He's just Wemby.
How about just Wemby?
Yes.
He's a Wembicorn.
He's a Wembicorn.
Sure.
Good.
Let's see Dallas when they're not playing the Wembicorn.
Because they're like them not having an answer for that.
Maybe we can show them some grace.
Who do they play tomorrow?
They play.
Oh, home against your wizards.
That's a great, great, great one.
That'll clear out all the bad taste in our mouth.
Yes.
That sounds awesome.
So anyway, I want to, I still think I like their players and their team.
I'm still bullish on them.
Milwaukee's the other one.
Giannis looked like Giannis again.
Porter got hurt during the game, but you know, they beat a bad team.
But I'm still bullish on Milwaukee as being a mid-to-high 40s team.
They are dedicated to, if they are dedicated to the bit, they came out and shot the 3D ball Excellent.
And if that's what they want to do right, because they were the best percentage wise, three point shooting team in the league, but they were under utilizing it, volume wise.
Well, five of their first eight made baskets were threes.
They won the basketball game in the first six minutes.
Now this might be a common theme when you play the wizards, but they, they got up by, by 20.
They were on pace.
They had, uh, They were on pace for 200 points in that game.
They had 25 points in the first six minutes because they just were.
You know, the ball moved beautifully.
Those guys knew exactly where they were going to be.
And they have space.
Yeah, they have space because of the shooters.
They took care of AJ Green.
Yeah.
And they dared Washington to rotate defensively and it didn't happen.
They just knocked down threes.
I like the concept theoretically of Giannis and shooting.
Me too.
And then Turner with Giannis defensively, I think is going to matter.
And I still am in on that team.
It all makes sense.
Next group, flawed, but interesting.
I have five here.
Lakers, Detroit, Toronto, Philly, and Atlanta.
I was down on Detroit before the season.
It was one of my underlocks.
I think if I was a Detroit fan, what would disturb me is I'm playing Chicago, a team that's not going to make the playoffs.
And if you knew nothing and you were just watching the game, you would think they were equal talent, talent wise.
Right.
That's not a good sign for Detroit.
My problem was the effort.
They have guys with the motor.
That's what Ron Holland is for.
That's what they're in this for.
Like they.
They're you're supposed to, the role guys are supposed to help.
You know the the the starters.
I don't, are they discombobulated because Ivy is out again?
Like what, what's the explanation?
Ivy's out.
I just don't think with Ivy out, I just don't think from a talent standpoint they're that special, unless Cade goes up another level.
So I just flawed, but interesting.
I'm not ruling them out, ruling them in.
But my instinct was that people were throwing them in this like East fringe contender conversation.
I'm the opposite.
I think they're closer to being a playing team.
Um they, they had this outscore, uh The Bulls by 11 in the fourth quarter to make it competitive down the stretch.
Lakers I did not have as one of my playoff teams.
And I had them losing in the play-in.
You gave them out as a play-in.
I had them playing and I had them losing in the play-in.
And the reason is because I don't think they're going to be able to guard anybody.
And then you watched an opening night.
Golden State should have won that game by 25.
Sure, could have.
Multiple times, multiple ways they could have won that game by 25.
And I know they didn't have LeBron, but LeBron is now in his 40s and I don't think you can count on him in a real way for a regular season like you could have in even 2018.
The Lakers aren't good enough.
They don't have enough talent.
That's all.
And I don't necessarily even... I'm not positive they care about this season.
I think it's more of a... Good point.
It's just take some chances.
We have some expirings.
Let's kind of see where we go.
They extended JJ before the year, which I said to you and Zach two weeks ago, I thought was...
Interesting.
It made it seem like, hey, no matter what happens, we believe in this infrastructure.
I think they're one of the six or seven worst defensive teams in the league.
How would you handicap the likelihood that sometime here in the next I don't know 30 days, maybe even less, that we get word that this is going to be LeBron's retirement tour?
Are you asking me because you want to tell Damon Jones of Black Tony?
Well, Damon Jones already knows.
I need David Jones to tell me and Pookie.
Me and Pookie need to know.
I do not think LeBron is retiring.
I think he's going to play until he's 45.
I think LeBron and Aaron Rodgers are just going to keep going and going.
Lakers, very suspicious.
I just don't think.
When you compare them to some of these teams in the West, like Houston and San Antonio, like Minnesota, these teams are young.
Go guy by guy, position by position.
They're not good enough.
They're not good enough.
We'll see.
I've counted out the Lakers before in previous years, and then all of a sudden they went eight in a row.
Luka would have to go on a fucking heater.
Remember again, Dorian Finney-Smith really helped change the trajectory of that team because they really found a defensive identity.
It's crazy shit like that that can happen.
Toronto looked great.
Toronto looked great.
That might have been one of my big misses.
It was a Joe House lock.
I don't remember whether or not Zach locked it.
They looked really good.
Listen, I'll admit defeat if that is a potential top seven team.
I believe that it is.
I thought they played hard.
Yes.
They were long.
They're healthy right now.
Who knows how long that's going to last, but they jumped out to me.
Coach Darko played 11 guys.
If they're going to play with that level of intensity and make sure that everybody gets the feels, gets the touches.
They're going to be tough.
You made fun of me when I said to you, I did the Oklahoma city.
Like you know they, they want to try that kind of blueprint which is get out in transition, try and force turnovers, try and be a defensive presence and And they won fast break points by like 20.
And they had 86 points in the paint.
In 138 points they scored, 86 of them were points in the paint because they kept going to the goddamn rim.
Impressive.
That's all.
I'll stop.
This was my overreaction game because Toronto kills Atlanta.
And Toronto, I'm with you.
What I liked about what I saw from Toronto, they clearly know what they want to be.
And what they wanted to be was athletic and they want to push and they want to go and they want to go and they want to go.
Now I don't know if it was just because they were playing Atlanta or that's who they are, but there was an identity they had that I wasn't expecting.
On the flip side Atlanta, who was a team we were high on.
And then the over under got too high.
And I think that scared all of us.
It got to like 47 and a half.
So this is one of those things where you can look at something on paper forever and And then you have to actually see it on a basketball court.
And I don't know that, maybe I've seen too many games over the years but I was immediately like, Oh no, because they're not going to be able to rebound house and forget about, like the transition defense and some of the other issues in that game.
But you have Porzingis.
They started Porzingis.
He's 25 feet from the basket.
You got Trey Young, you have Jalen Johnson, Daniels, some other shooter.
There's no rebounder.
And one of the things with Porzingis, when the Celtics would play him, Like Tatum.
Tatum was, you know, one of the best 20 rebounders in the league.
The team was a gang rebounding team.
I really was worried about Atlanta after watching them.
And maybe it's going to take a while for the pieces to fit together.
But it was a team that didn't make sense to me as I watched it.
Did you see it?
It did not make sense.
And there are a couple of culprits.
The rebounding is concerning.
It could be Okonwu.
He like that's his his his job.
And Jalen Johnson got seven and Porzingis got seven.
And, you know.
They got dealt with on the boards, though.
Here's the issue, man.
Let me ask you.
I'll put it to you in the form of a question.
Who do you think took the most field goals last night?
Do you already know the answer?
I don't.
Who was it?
Nikhil Alexander Walker took 15 fucking field goal attempts last night.
He was two for 15 from the field.
What in the fuck is going on in Atlanta?
Like seriously, you built this team and had an idea for who you're going to put out there.
How is he taking the most shots on the team?
How is that possible?
In 26, 28 minutes, he took 15 field goal attempts.
How?
How does that make any sense?
I don't like it.
I'm not writing them off, but my blink test watching them was like, ah, I don't know.
I don't know if this, these guys all make sense together.
We'll see.
But I was, I was.
I definitely cooled on them a tiny bit, but they might.
They can win me back in the next week.
And then Philly, I watched that entire game.
Um, I bet you did.
It's really interesting because Embiid just looks like he's done.
And who knows if he can come back, but he can't really jump anymore.
Every time they really did well was when he wasn't out there, including the fourth quarter.
They just didn't bring him back. because he was on a quote-unquote minutes limit.
But the Maxie and Vijay together was just the most electric.
The Vijay thing's unbelievable.
The big thing on him coming out of the draft was this guy's an incredible athlete.
He can't finish.
He has terrible finishing stats.
Let me tell you, he finished the fuck out of the Celtic game.
He's finishing everything and he was competitive and he's got a swagger to him, and him and Max are together.
That's the future of that team.
The Sixers fans should be over the moon about this.
They're going to, you know, the Embiid thing, the extension disaster.
George disaster, but all of it led to them getting the third pick in the draft and getting rejuvenated with this guy who looks like 2005 Dwayne Wade.
I mean, it's stunning.
It's stunning.
Let's just leave it.
That was other than when me, it was the most stunning thing of the week.
The confidence.
Yeah.
Game speed, he was there for all of it.
The basketball IQ is off the effing charts.
He moves.
When he doesn't have the ball, if he's in the corner, he's my favorite kind of guy where he's still thinking of stuff to do, even if he's not involved in the play.
It's like, oh, can I back cut?
Oh, can I get an offensive rebound?
Oh, can I come flying in for a jam?
He's up to stuff all the time.
How many phone calls do you think Daryl in the second half was making?
Like Hey, we know that, that Paul George contract, we know that you know that we have the extra year, but let's figure out a way.
Like how many?
Oh, I thought you were saying Daryl was calling his wife being like, I have good news.
I'm going to be keeping my job for the next few years because BJ comes fucking awesome.
Well that, and also they need to get Paul George off that team, away from this team, as quickly as possible.
There is there is it's a I don't know how they're going to do that.
It's a zero proposition, zero sum proposition.
Also, we talked about Leap guys when we did the over-unders.
And I think I'd like to belatedly include Maxie in that combo.
He deserves it.
Oh, does he deserve it?
He was downhill...
And I thought the Celtics, they didn't shoot well, but they played really hard.
And the reason they lost was because, uh, they weren't making threes.
And then, um, Ironically, Keita fouled out and Luka Garza was in concussion protocol.
So they had to play Xavier Tillman in the last two minutes of the game and he missed a big shot.
But the Vijay and Maxie thing attack attack attack, attack.
And Embiid just doesn't fit in with it.
So I don't know what they do.
Just play him the 20 minutes.
It's totally fine.
He's a role player.
He's going to be miserable.
Who cares?
No.
If they permit that to happen... then we'll know for sure.
Then we'll be having podcasts with Daryl.
How about LeBron for Embiid right now?
Oh, you paused.
Well, the Lakers have to say no, no, no.
He's a 20-minute player. who should be able to get you a handful of rebounds.
I like Embiid.
I hope it comes back, but it doesn't seem like his right leg works anymore.
I don't say this with any joy.
This is end-of-career Greg Oden shit.
This is what Greg Oden looked like after the last series of surgeries that he had, and he tried one last time to come back.
That's what Embiid looks like to me.
I hope he can come back.
It did not look good last time.
It's bad for Philly that it's like we have to keep them out of the game if we want to win.
Water Treaders, Boston, Memphis, Miami, and Indiana.
We don't even talk about them.
League Pass All-Stars, next category.
People in Memphis are going to be mad that we're just skipping over them.
Well, they had 40 injuries already and they won the first game just because John Morant was awesome.
The guy plays 30 to 45 games a year.
They handle their business at home against New Orleans, and New Orleans didn't jump out to a lead.
I mean...
But look at the group, though.
Boston, Memphis, Miami, Indiana.
They're treading water, waiting to see who they're going to be.
I think that Memphis is fair.
League Pass All-Stars, Charlotte, New Orleans, and Chicago.
New Orleans, I think Zion looked really good.
And they have fun players in that team.
And I just think they're going to be a fun team to watch.
Chicago, same thing because of the pace.
And then Charlotte was a revelation.
I like Kalkbrenner.
I'm just going on the record.
Sure.
I think he's a real NBA player.
I agree with you.
I think he's a 30-minute-a-game big guy.
I agree.
I made fun of it.
And we went into the season going like, Charlotte doesn't have big guys.
They're not going to be... But...
They have multiple guards.
It was against Brooklyn, to be fair.
Well, they were playing a G League team.
Yes, they were.
But they have semi-competent big guys and then Knipple.
I just like them.
Next category.
Wait, where's our coach?
That's Portland.
The next category is why are we here?
Phoenix and Sacramento.
What a battle that was.
Don't show disrespect to Phoenix.
This is going to be an ongoing theme.
I honestly kind of like directionally what Phoenix.
This is at least a team that makes a little bit of sense.
More sense than last year.
Makes more sense than last year.
And I honestly think the good people of Phoenix deserve after that hot turd.
They were served for an entire season last year of unmet expectations and guys that didn't like playing with each other.
I think this team does like play.
I like what I'm seeing out of them thus far.
One game in.
I'll just leave it at that.
Well, I have them as either the fourth or fifth worst basketball team in the league.
That's fine.
And the other team that they were battling was Sacramento, who that game came down to the last minute.
It did.
Last category is dumping for Darren.
Utah, Washington, and Brooklyn.
Utah's the best of the three.
Darren is the Darren Peterson on Kansas.
What do you think, if Utah really tried, how many games do you think they could win?
If they competed.
High 20s.
Okay.
I was going to say low 30s.
So I'm glad we're on the same page.
All right.
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We went three and two last week.
Felt like four and one was in play and we couldn't pull it off.
We are one game under 500, but we've been slowly clawing back.
Yeah.
And it's a bi-week week this week.
These are the dangerous weeks.
When you can't find five games, but you still have to do the five games.
I'd like to request that we stay away from Eagles Giants and Chiefs Washington with higher lines.
I just want no part of that Eagles Giants game.
I want no part of the Chiefs, you know, favored by nine and a half against your team with Mariota.
Is it only nine and a half?
Is it higher than that?
I thought it was much higher.
Maybe it's higher.
Regardless, we're staying away.
Okay.
I have three maybes for you.
Jets, Bengals.
Jets are favored by... Jets are getting six and a half in Cincinnati.
I don't want to bet this game.
I really don't.
Jets 27, DVOA Cincinnati 29th.
But the line is so high.
It's like trying to sucker you into betting the Jets.
Begging you to take the Jets.
The Bengals should just be favored by three.
We'll give you three and a half extra points to take the Jets.
You're supposed to take the Jets.
You're supposed to do it.
It's like the Criterion Collection had this 50% off flash sale.
And I have all the Blu-rays I want.
And I was like, all right, I'll look anyway.
It's like, this is a flash sale of three and a half extra points.
It's Tyrod too, right?
We think?
Staying away.
I'm not betting on the Jets.
We bet on the Jets and we do.
It just sucks.
It does suck.
Falcons-Dolphins.
Falcons minus 7.5.
I have this as a maybe.
Only because...
You have the Atlanta offense fourth against the run.
Miami's defense 32nd against the run.
They didn't fire Mike McDaniel last week.
Atlanta's defense is first against the pass.
Seventh yard per play.
Miami's offense pretty much terrible across the board.
Coming off one of the worst games we've seen anyone play in the last couple of years.
Falcons minus seven and a half.
The hook scares me a little.
Not me.
Got to play Falcons.
This is Falcons at home.
The only thing I wondered about was Penix, right?
So you want me to move this up?
Yeah.
Somebody rolled up on him.
There was like an ankle kind of thing, and he didn't practice.
They had their walkthrough on Wednesday.
He did do limited practice taping this on Thursday.
Well, good thing is they have a $40 million backup.
Well, here's the thing I was wondering about.
Now, we're going to play it at 7.5.
We can't get out of that spot.
So this is going to be your pick?
Definitely.
I mean, as long as the Miami Dolphins put...
Tua out on the football field as their starting quarterback and their head coach is Mike McDaniel.
You must bet the other side of it.
I don't even know what the number is that would scare me off.
It ain't this.
It's not seven and a half in Atlanta.
We think Atlanta is good when they play at home.
We think their defense is good.
So this is something we've been on for the last couple weeks.
Teams you're only allowed to bet on at home because there's another one coming up.
Right.
I like Atlanta as a home team.
Me too.
Yeah, I think they roll.
I think they smash.
And I hope Miami continues to just bring Tua and Mike McDaniel out week after week so we can keep betting the other side.
I can't believe Mike McDaniel's come back.
All right, I move that into the maybe into the yes category.
Last one in the maybes was Saints Bucks.
Saints plus four and a half at home against Tampa.
I like the Saints at home a little more than anywhere else.
Learned my lesson last week.
New Orleans.
Well, last week we kind of fucked that up.
That was your pick, but I supported it.
And a lot of the reasons we took Miami went against Miami and Cleveland, bad weather blah blah, blah.
And then New Orleans is playing outdoors in bad weather.
And we have New Orleans.
Yeah, wrong.
And yet Chicago still was like dying to let them Hang around in that game.
Literally, the freaking hook and ladder that the guy threw a forward pass on.
It was about to be a game, potential game altering.
The trajectory of that game was in doubt.
Rattler put the ball, gave the ball away too many times.
I don't want to talk about it.
So New Orleans at home lost, came back against Arizona and San Francisco and almost won but lost.
They beat the Giants at home and they lost to the Pats at home in a game that the refs tried to steal from the Pats.
They're only averaging 18 a game.
I don't know who's playing for the Bucs.
My instinct leans toward the Saints, but I don't really want to have them again.
I didn't enjoy it last week.
I don't know.
How long is Rattler going to be the starter?
Are they going to start tanking soon?
There's a tanking strategy for them.
So let's stay away.
All right.
Yeah.
We, we dabbled with the saints that that's enough.
It's like, you know, it's like, there's a parlay possibility house.
Yeah.
We have the Colts minus 14 and a half against the Titans.
We can use their money line or some sort of version of it because they're going to kill the Titans.
Could also just lay the points.
Could also lay the points.
Patriots against the Browns.
Pats minus seven.
Cleveland's offense is just horrible.
28th rush, 30th pass, 27 first downs.
I know their defense is good, but I do think the Pats defense this is a perfect game for them because they're really good at stopping the run.
Yeah.
You can throw on them a little bit, but Cleveland has Dylan Gabriel.
This New England fan base is so fired up by this Patriots team.
They haven't had a kick-ass home game yet.
They had the Carolina game.
It was in doubt for an hour, and then they came back and won.
But I think this could be the kick-ass game.
Once you go up 13, the game's over.
I totally agree with this.
The only modest proposal I would like to make, as we think about the idea of a parlay, a money-line parlay, here is I honestly would rather, because we don't have a lot of choices on the card this week.
Use the Colts.
Let the Colts lay the points with the Colts and use the Chiefs.
Parlay the Chiefs and the Patriot.
We might, we might have enough though.
Cause well, the other one I was going to throw him was the Ravens against the bears at home.
That, that one, you, you wonder, you know where I'm coming from on this.
Ravens.
Not only that, can I borrow some money from somebody?
Yeah, this is the first playoff game of the year with the Ravens.
This is kitchen sink.
We have to win.
We have Caleb.
I made this prediction on Tuesday's pod.
We did one crazy prediction, me and the fantasy guys, that Tyson Bajan as the starter for the bears by week 13.
Wow.
It was not good in that new Orleans game.
Wow.
Um, he was not, uh, but, um, parlay of Ravens Patriots and Colts minus 1.5.
Um, Gets us under the minus 120.
Pats to win.
Ravens to win.
Colts win by two.
It's minus 117 on FanDuel.
And we can do that and win.
Well, what are the remainder games?
What other games are we betting?
I'm just putting that in.
Okay.
I mean, I'm just barking at that.
That might be one of my picks.
All right, here are the possibles.
Texans minus one and a half against the 49ers.
Houston's two and four.
Four of those games were on the road.
Their next three are at home.
They're eighth in DBOA somehow.
Their defense is sick.
Their defense is awesome.
Coming off this ugly Seattle game. where they couldn't block.
But guess what?
Seattle has an awesome defense and they were home and it was a Monday night and they were maniacs the whole game.
I'm in on Houston's defense.
I thought that...
Talk about hats on the ball house.
It was one of those eight guys tackling every Seattle guy.
They even got a penalty because they had too many guys continue to tackle somebody.
Their defense, third in DBOA, it's only given up 14.7 points a game.
They're going against Mac Jones.
They're going against the San Francisco team, that Um was able to scotch, tape a defense last week and do a bunch of shit, that now you can just watch the tape and be like Oh, they're doing this.
Let's do this instead.
Uh, they're going to have no pass rush.
I don't care if Nico Collins plays or not.
I think Stroud with actual time to throw will be okay.
And it's Texans minus one and a half.
I love the Texans in this spot.
So I just was scared of this game because I have been on the wrong side of Shanahan and the 49ers too many times this season.
They just keep We keep saying... Here's the thing.
They're 5-2, House.
We just keep saying, here's the point where it flips for them defensively.
Here, you know, Bosa, they can't get any pressure on... But we had them last week.
We took them Sunday night.
And it was the correct play.
Right.
I know, but I'm just saying, like, you know...
This is just like, I just want to bet the Houston defense in this game.
Houston defense against Mac Jones.
For the contest we have at one and a half.
Yeah.
It's your pick.
I'm lukewarm on it.
You're lukewarm?
Yeah.
Okay.
I like it.
I don't think Houston's going two and five.
If they lose this game, their season's over.
This is a kitchen sink game for them.
I just want proof.
I want to see one great quarter of offense when it's not against the Titans.
Counter.
This is a classic Niners look. probably better than they are on Sunday night.
Houston looked worse than they are.
They had a bad situation for the team they have on a Monday night.
And this line should probably be two and a half or higher because of their defense.
Well, it's two and a half now for the purposes of our contest.
We got it at one and a half.
It's published at one and a half.
We're playing it one and a half.
The public is going to have to ride the market.
I want to make sure.
So it's definitely, I want to make sure we don't cheat.
No, it's two and a half right now, but I believe for one and a half.
Yeah, we have it at one and a half.
I know.
I know it's locked at one and a half for the purposes of the contest.
Next one, I want you to talk me out of this because I like it.
Panthers plus seven and a half at home against Buffalo.
We talked about Carolina at home, how they're a different team.
Dalton, Bryce Young, I don't think it matters.
Carolina's third rushing attack this year.
Third in rush yards.
Buffalo 31st against the run.
They are getting their two suspended D linemen back.
Carolina's D is not terrible.
15th DBOA.
Eighth against the rush.
It is betting against Josh Allen.
Josh Allen against bad teams has been money.
But the seven and a half, even that's a cheap touchdown late.
We can't do it.
You're talking me out of it?
I'll take the L. Here's why.
The Bills lost two games in a row and then had a bye.
They're going to come off the bye with Josh Allen and lose another game.
They're going to lose to the Patriots.
This line should be four and a half.
They're going to lose to the Patriots, the Falcons, and the Panthers.
We're talking about the fact that the line... still has some inflation in it.
Like we're not giving Carolina credit.
That that I agree with.
It's still in this modern NFL era, a one score game at seven and a half.
I don't know.
I might make it one of my picks.
I also don't mind the plus three 10 for them.
Oh, for the actual money line, which we're not doing in these contests.
But uh, The case for Buffalo is couple losses by week.
Getting the guys back on D Yes.
We're going to show everybody our defense is actually back.
And that's what my fear is with this is, You're like, oh, my God, why do we bet against Josh Helms?
The 7.5 is high.
They can get rolling, though.
That's the problem.
We thought that that might happen in that Atlanta game, but Atlanta really had a great pass rush at home and a very good game plan.
And they just ran the ball, ran the ball, ran the ball.
Ken Carolina replicated that.
Here's the other case for this.
They had the Chiefs next week, Buffalo.
So is this a Milton Berle?
Let's just pull out enough to win.
Get in, get out.
Let's not do too much.
Let's not get anyone hurt.
They could be up 14 in the fourth quarter.
That's what I, that's what the seven and a half is huge.
Yeah.
All right.
Mark it down.
Cowboys plus three and a half at Denver.
All the advanced stats say Dallas is a better team.
They're ninth in DVOA, Denver's 14th.
Dallas's offense, top four, second in yards per play.
Denver's defense, first in yards per play, which is good.
But the question for me is the Cowboys, I just think are going to score every week against whoever.
Can Denver match points with them?
I think this line's just too high.
They get in the hook.
I feel like this should be like Broncos one and a half.
I think these teams might be even.
I've been really impressed by Dallas.
As have I. I think they're well coached.
I said out loud on many programs last week that I didn't think that Washington.
I had to puff my chest out because it was Dallas week.
It was fraught.
That was a fraught situation.
That was our big miss last week, not taking Dallas.
By Sunday, that would have been... That was a big miss.
That was one that I bet on.
And I loved it.
I bet it as well.
So Dallas wins this.
If Dallas can somehow win this in Denver Cardinals next week by week.
And then they're at Vegas on Monday night football.
Like there's actually a path for them to be a playoff team, but I think they need this game.
Why did they get blown out by the bears?
CD lamb got hurt.
Okay.
And then a couple coverage breakdowns just couldn't adjust on the fly quickly enough.
They just couldn't.
Why did the Patriots lose to the Raiders?
First game of the season.
That's all.
Yeah.
With the first three weeks of the year, do we just, you know, Green Bay killed the trade.
Would that happen now?
No.
I don't know.
I don't think so.
All right.
Cowboys plus three and a half.
We're marking this down.
The Bo Nix thing, he just can't.
It takes him two hours to be decent.
You're not going to.
I don't know the circumstance.
There will be a circumstance where I'm comfortable.
They're laying less than a field goal, maybe.
I'm not sure who the opponent has to be.
Look, I asked him to shove it in my face against the Eagles and he did it.
He led them to 18 points in the fourth quarter against the Eagles on the road in Philly.
Um, And Dak against a really good Denver defense, which I think he can throw on.
But Dak's just been one of the best four players in the league this year.
He can throw on anybody.
Cowboys plus three and a half.
We'll mark that down.
Packers-Steelers.
Packers favored by three in Pittsburgh.
And normally you would say, Oh, Pittsburgh, Tomlin, home.
It's a smash spot.
Can I make a Packers case for you?
I'm going to listen while I look something up for you real quick.
You seem like you've lost interest in the pot.
No, I'm looking.
I thought it was three and a half.
No, for our contest, it's three.
Yeah.
Minus 120.
Look at how they priced that thing.
I know.
Sunday night game.
If this was a Sunday 1 p.m. game, I'd be afraid to take Green Bay.
Sunday night game, the lights are on.
And I do think this team has the lights are on.
They have that side to them.
DVOA, Green Bay's sixth, Pittsburgh's tenth.
Pittsburgh's defense, 31st against the pass, 31st against first downs, 25th on third down.
And if you look at their wins, barely beat the Jets week one.
Field's last great game ever.
Probably ever.
They beat the Pats because the Pats turned the ball over five fucking times and fumbled on the goal line and threw a goal line pick.
They beat Minnesota by three points in Ireland with Carson Wentz.
And they beat Cleveland, who sucks.
Those are their four wins.
It was Cleveland coming off their international game with Dylan Gabriel.
Then they lost to Joe Flacco last week.
26th against the run.
Green Bay second against the run, their defense.
So I don't think they're going to be able to run the ball.
So this would have to be an Aaron Rodgers beats us game.
And granted, going against Green Bay, but this just feels like a square.
Oh, Steelers Tomlin at home.
Rodgers revenge game.
And it's like, How about this?
We thought the Packers were a potential Super Bowl team before the year.
Like you win this game if you're going to the Super Bowl.
That would be the case.
I don't have the time to go look and see what it opened at.
It was three and a half for quite a bit of this week.
And I thought it was a great Steelers situation.
Yeah.
The three is not a great number.
I don't love...
Packers minus three?
Yeah.
But are you worried about the push?
Well, no.
I just mean from the Steelers' perspective.
I like it much better with them dogfight with the hook.
Yeah, but I want to take the Packers.
I understand that.
I had a case prepared for the Steelers with the hook.
Yes.
Yeah, the hook feels pretty vital.
To me, because look, here's the thing that Pittsburgh has been unable to address all season long.
They give up explosives, like you know, like it's Pookie and Black Tony giving out.
You know injury advice before.
Before a Trailblazers game.
I mean, they just can't wait to let somebody throw the football down the field.
And that is one thing for sure that Jordan Love can do.
It's one thing for sure that the Packers can do.
They can throw the football down the football field.
So I also, you know, they, they've definitely been spotty the last few weeks.
There's no question.
Right.
And they've had like Jacobs wasn't a hundred percent Jordan love.
They, the pace of their, they had that terrible Cleveland game.
Just terrible.
I like the zag.
You know what?
I'm feeling the zag.
I'm feeling it.
You're kidding me.
Like a Sunday night, the Packers.
It's a narrative game where we come out of the game.
We're like, oh, the Packers.
Maybe they are a contender.
Yeah, because everybody was ready to write off the Packers after they looked so dominant the first two weeks.
And then they showed some injuries, inconsistency.
The dallas tie uh, not looking very impressive.
Dac was just unbelievable in that game.
The reason they tied they scored 40 points.
Yeah, yeah.
So why wouldn't they score 40 points against pittsburgh?
You know i'm, i'm here i'm, i like this.
Let's do this.
Yeah, i like this.
So we're looking at.
I think we have our five then.
That was easy.
On a short week, we somehow have five picks.
Apologies to the Panthers.
They didn't make the cut.
All right, house, here we go.
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We are one game under 500 for the season.
We are 16 and 17.
And we were 0 and 7 in games that could have gone either way or something weird happened in the last three minutes.
And then we finally had some luck on Sunday with the Minnesota Vikings, where we had them in a parlay.
They were, what, plus seven and a half?
Plus seven and a half.
They're down six.
Eagles get this long play to A.J.
Brown, and it's like, oh my God, they're going to get a field goal.
We're going to get screwed again.
And they do some wacky time thing where they run out the clock and they don't have to kick the field goal.
It's the first time anything's gone our way all year in a stupid situation like that.
So that makes me feel good.
First one, we're going to do your pick.
The Falcons just to blow out the Dolphins.
Falcons minus seven and a half at home.
We love the Falcons as a home team.
Sure do.
We just feel like at this point to be able to bet against Tua and Mike McDaniel much like watching Victor Wemadama right now.
A privilege.
I mean, we can go X's and O's.
We can talk about how dominant the Falcons rush attack has been, how incredible Bijan has been, how destitute the Dolphins run defenses, how the Dolphins offensive line is an abomination and the pressure that the Falcons can bring.
They can't stop the run.
We can do all those things, but we don't really need to.
You just have to look at mixtape Mike.
One time, take a snapshot of that dude at his press conference and be like I'm betting against that guy.
This is the, I wish I wasn't going against Bijan Robinson Fantasy Week.
Falcons minus seven and a half.
That's our first one.
They should be able to hopefully run it up.
We like the Falcons as home team.
Next one, Texans minus one and a half at home against 49ers.
This is a bet on the Houston defense in a kitchen sink situation going against Mac Jones and a Niners defense.
That's just scotch tape, duct tape and glue and some thumbtacks.
I just want to say I respect San Francisco.
I'm hoping that the football gods look favorably.
How about this?
They don't need the game.
They're 5-2.
This is their division.
I get it.
That's a... knock down, drag out that NFC West.
I believe in that Houston defense.
I thought what they did Monday night, as their offensive line was just murdering them and Stroud was murdering them and their defense over and over again was like fine, we'll get the ball back again.
Great.
Cowboys plus three and a half against the Broncos is our next one.
This is in Denver.
This is, we think these teams are pretty even.
Dak is a top three or top four guy in the league.
And if it's a shootout or a back and forth with Bo Nix, I'd like to have my money on Dak.
I also think there's backdoor potential, even if they're down 10 late.
Sure.
Of them scoring again.
And we both like this Cowboys team.
We do.
Yeah.
I'm just, you know, Once again, in a position where Bo Nix might shove it right in my face.
Well, as we're doing Ringer 107, the Vikings are down by 21 to the Chargers.
And that was a potential playoff.
You know competitor for the, for Dallas to get that six seat or seven seats.
So if you can shove the Vikings out of there, you get Caleb to self combust with the bears.
It's going to be the Falcons and the Cowboys.
Not even kidding.
Yeah.
Cause Washington's out.
Um, Oh, and then Packers-Steelers.
This is a nice zag for us.
Sunday night.
Steelers looking too obvious with Tomlin at home.
Pittsburgh.
Aaron Rodgers rejuvenation.
But if you go through that Steelers schedule, the wins and some of the stats, it's pretty grim.
We think there's another level to this Packers team.
And every week somebody goes up and people are like, whoa, that team.
And I think this is a whoa, that team for the Packers.
I do like it.
Packers minus three on the road Sunday night.
Then last one, a little parlay.
Colts down to minus one and a half as they're blowing out Tennessee.
We got that.
Pats just to win against Cleveland.
Only win.
Just win by one.
We're fine.
And then the Ravens in the ultimate kitchen sink game.
They cannot go one and six.
They have to beat the Bears.
We get to bet against A very shaky Caleb Williams, against a Bears defense with some really good advanced stats going against them and, more importantly, on Lamar Jackson.
Well, here's the thing for the Ravens, and I will separately be betting this.
This will be my best bet, and I don't really even care if ultimately...
Lamar doesn't end up playing.
I mean, he practiced.
There is the hamstring thing.
They are healthy for the first time on offense, with Picard at fullback and likely a tight end.
And here's the thing for everybody to do.
When you hear this, go as fast as you can and buy your Derrick Henry and Their whole run game is a 12 personnel run game where Picard and likely are goddamn dominant.
Go get every Derrick Henry total now because it'll all be seven yards higher.
Get the number of touches, you know, attempts, all of it.
Get all your Derrick Henry now.
Anytime, touchdown the whole kit and caboodle, because those prices are going to be through the roof by Sunday.
I love the Ravens to absolutely smash the Bears this week.
Ravens win.
Pats win.
Colts by minus 1.5 over Tennessee.
Minus 117.
That's our last pick.
Texans minus 1.5.
Cowboys plus 3.5.
Falcons minus 7.5.
Packers minus 3.5.
That is The Ringer 107.
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Odd subject to change.
House, we did it.
We just cruised through a fucking shitload of stuff in an hour and a half.
I'm proud of us.
It's pretty good.
I mean, Albaity and Bruce thought that was a pretty goddamn good show.
I know.
Got to get his thoughts later.
I'll see you at our illegal poker game today.
I can't wait.
Let me borrow your contacts.
All right.
That's it for the podcast.
Thanks to House.
Thanks to Gahal and Eduardo as well.
I will be back. on Sunday with the Cuz.
Hopefully the Patriots will be 6-2.
Hopefully we won't have any more illegal NBA gambling scandal stuff.
And I will see you on Sunday night.
Thank you.
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