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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash.
I'm Alayna.
And I'm Chef Riley.
And this is a special book club episode of Morbid.
Yay!
We have Chef Riley Meehan on the pod today, who just released his first cookbook.
A little bit extra.
It's gorgeous.
It's a beauty.
It's extra, just like me.
It's a beauty, and we're going to put it here.
You can see it.
It's so good.
It has so many different things in it.
That's what I love about it.
Thank you.
Yeah, there's definitely something for anybody like I wanted to run the gamut and give something to anybody who wants to try cooking.
I like your little like instruction part too, where it's like cook it, like read it through first, cook it the way that I cook it and then do your special cheese next time.
Yes, 100%.
And also I get so frustrated when people like screw up a recipe and then they say that they didn't actually read the recipe through.
It's like rule number one, read the recipe through all the way.
But yeah, I want people to riff off stuff.
Like I want it to be like – dog-eared and like noted up and like make it, make it your own.
I love that.
Yeah, it's such a good one and i like the little like um instructions about like what kitchen tools to buy, all of that.
I'm gonna buy these kitchen tools.
That's actually huge because i have a lot of cookbooks and that's rare to have in a cookbook.
I want to make sure people are like set up for success, Because it sucks when you like set everything up and you're like let's go.
And then they're like, all right, use this weird strainer that you don't have.
And you're like, whip out the sous vide machine.
And you're like, why would I own a sous vide machine?
I don't have that.
Exactly.
I can't door dash that right now.
No, I love this.
Damn.
I love it so much.
All right.
So everybody make sure to order A Little Bit Extra, which came out today.
It's out today.
It's out today.
And it's available where?
Literally anywhere.
You can Amazon it, Walmart, Target, your local bookstore.
All the things.
Gotta love the local bookstore.
We love the local bookstore.
Yeah, literally anywhere.
I get it.
And we're going to put the link to where you can order in the show notes.
So go click that link.
Click it.
Buy it, buy it, buy it.
All right.
So you just released your book.
Yes.
Patricia Cornwell, our girly, released her first book 30 something years ago.
It's true.
And we are here to talk about Postmortem.
Hell yeah.
Postmortem.
First book.
First book ever.
You read this book.
In the Kay Scarpetta series.
When you were how old?
I think I was like 10.
That's wild.
Which like.
I was born when it came out.
You were born in 1990?
Yeah.
I wasn't alive.
I was five.
I think my mom was still in high school.
Damn.
Maybe.
I'm not sure.
I don't know her life.
Yeah, because I was five.
I do remember seeing my mom read Patricia Cornwell books all the time growing up.
So this was a fun one to dive into.
Hell yeah.
This is really fun.
I remember you talking about Patricia Cornwell like for as long as I can remember.
But I had never picked one up.
I don't even know why because now I'm like I want to read all 29 of them.
Kay has a special place in my heart now.
I love Kay.
And Kay just gets better and better. that's good to know she's such a superstar she does she evolves in a big way during the series love it love it love her also the show just came out yeah i think by the time you guys are listening to this yeah it definitely came out so i'm excited to watch that i know that it will probably spoil some like future ones but i'm willing to do that i'm willing to dive in yeah so i think what it does it's like a dual timeline where it covers this book post-mortem and then the second timeline is going to cover autopsy which i think is like the 25th book so it's a big time jump and they'll cover both timelines so i think you can watch some of it okay after this and not get spoiled but the other one you'll i don't you'll get spoiled quote unquote but there's also like 29 books to read and a lot of bad guys so it's like you're really only spoiling one one like storyline and they cast um nicole kidman and she looks phenomenal like does she age like what the fuck i saw a recent interview with her and i was like what she's just always perfect yeah literally like lilo how lilo just emerged and you were like why do you look like a newborn baby come out of your mother's womb and that's how nicole kidman looks now She really does.
I was like, whoa.
I'm like, maybe she microneedles.
Hey, as somebody who just got microneedling done.
Can you tell?
Can you tell?
Do you see this glow?
I know.
This butt of skin.
All right.
So we thought we could start off by playing some chef slash medical examiner questions.
Yes.
Do you want to just go back and forth on these?
Yeah.
All right.
I'll start.
All right.
So Riley, if K came into your restaurant pop-up, Kiko, everybody listening.
After solving a brutal case, what would you cook for her to like restore her faith in humanity?
It's a tall order.
It's a tall order, but I think I'm up to the task.
I think you are.
So she is our Italian queen.
So I had to do a pasta, of course.
So I think I would do, like, a red wine braised short rib ragout.
Oh, shut the fuck up.
Some, like, fresh made pappardelle pasta.
Oh!
And just, like, some slutty garlic bread.
Yes!
Because, like...
You can't go wrong with that.
That would restore my faith.
I need that right now.
And like maybe a little side of burrata for dunking with some pesto on it.
And then I don't think we touched on it in the book, but I feel like she loves dark chocolate.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Don't you think she, like, snacks on dark chocolate?
Yeah, hell yeah.
So I feel like a dark chocolate budino, like an Italian pudding.
Ooh.
With a little olive oil and flaky salt.
This is a chef, folks.
Oh, I'm a real chef, guys.
Yeah.
I promise.
You're like, I know my chef.
I am a real chef.
It's my job.
You came in here and you fucked it up.
That's a brilliant meal right, and that that, like checks off the assignment.
That would restore her faith in humanity.
Life is worth living.
Yeah, she'd be like you know what?
It's all fine.
Yeah, let's wake up tomorrow.
How long do you cook your short ribs for Okay?
I mean, it'll depend the size, but like three hours, two and a half, three hours.
If they're bigger, you might need to go up to like three and a half.
That's what I do.
Three and a half.
Yeah.
All right.
As long as they're like fall apart.
I mean, you can always just like chuck them back in the oven and cook them longer.
That's what the beauty of short ribs are.
I love a short rib.
I do too.
That would be my last meal. shorts and like garlic mashed potatoes damn yeah you gotta have potatoes podcast about final meals yeah oh yeah yeah that's what you're coming back for next time it's true i need to cook for you guys yes I was about to say, can we just go to the kitchen right now?
Let's go.
Guys, we're leaving.
We're done.
Bye.
Bye.
So the next question is a strange one, but I used to work in a morgue.
Obviously, everybody listening knows that.
What a casual draw.
I know.
Between...
You know, back in my morgue days.
Back in my morgue days.
And between cases, you get hungry.
Okay.
And you have to go back to the office and you got to eat something real quick.
And you need something that's going to like keep you going.
So what would you make for Kay Scarpetta to bring his little morgue snack?
Oh my gosh, can I give a chaotic answer?
I feel like you have to avoid meat yeah, and prodding around on a dead body.
So I'm going with like a tofu curry or something, because it's gonna be filling, you get your protein hit, okay.
And I feel like also, you might want something aromatic to kind of mask the smell of the morgue, so like a lemongrassy, red curry tofu with some rice, and you don't want to be picking anything up.
I don't think either.
You know with your hands yeah, so you can spoon.
So that's i.
I know that's like a little.
No, i love that.
I like it.
I really love that, especially like the lemon flavor.
I think it's perfect.
A little brightness.
Yeah, a little brightness because it's a little stale in there.
It's a little musty.
You came home a few times smelling interesting.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
And I came home.
One of the things that's crazy is just a little side thing is the smell will like get in your throat.
So when you eat things later, it will taste like the smell.
I went out to dinner with John once after like a shift and I had showered.
I had done all the things and I was sitting there eating and I was like, it tastes like the smell.
And I can't make it stop.
Yeah.
That's fair.
It's crazy.
I've heard that story a million times and I'm mortified every time.
Fair enough.
My only experience like that is that I used to work like the fish station at a restaurant and you just smell like fish.
Yup.
Yup.
It just permeates.
Like you're using gloves, you're like washing your hands obviously, but it's just like you can't get rid of it.
And it's just in your nose.
In your nostrils.
Yeah.
Cannot get rid of it.
Drew, my husband, worked at the fish counter at the grocery market.
And I don't know why I just said the grocery market.
The grocery store market shop.
I like that.
All of the above.
The grocery market everywhere.
The local grocery market.
But he had a pair of shoes that I would not allow into my bedroom.
I was like, get those the fuck.
It got to the shoe.
There's like scales on them.
No.
They were one with the ocean.
It was...
I should have chucked them back in the ocean.
Oh, my God.
They were so gross.
That is crazy.
I had shoes as well that had to stay outside.
Yep.
I remember that.
Outside shoes, yeah.
Yeah.
John was like, take them off.
I'm going to give you this, this next question too, because it's just like for you to ask.
Oh yeah.
So again in the morgue we I was like shocked to see that we used like things from like Lowe's or Home Depot to at times, because they just worked better.
So we used like literal hedge clippers with like the orange handles as rib cutters.
You have to be strong to do that.
You have to be real strong.
Pump those guns, Elena.
Especially the clavicle.
She still has them.
But the clavicle especially.
That's a two cut one.
But you have to get a good leverage and those hedge clippers give you good leverage because they have the big, the big handles.
So i was shocked by that.
But what is something in a kitchen that we would kind of be shocked to see what it is used for as well?
Oh my god, you're already giggling something normal or something?
You're gonna just barf?
Oh my god, no.
Okay well, I'm only divulging my husband's secret because I think like this is one of his like little party trick things he brings up all the time.
I love this.
Is that he has gross feet.
Okay.
So, poor Ryan has gross feet, but you know what?
He embraces it and he, like, you know, he laughs about it.
Okay, yeah.
One day I saw him in the bathroom with a microplane grating his feet.
You know what a microplane is?
The zester you use?
Grating his feet.
Yeah.
Like at the nail salon.
Like at the nail salon.
I love when they whip out the cheese grater.
It's a literal cheese grater microplane zester.
And you said that's my doll.
And I was like, babe.
You said that's not what that's for.
We can't clean that.
But it is what it's for.
It literally is.
It's for both.
It's for both.
But you shouldn't use them for both.
You don't want to have that.
It's for both, but you can't use for both.
You can have one for that and one for the kitchen.
You said, hey, babe, so that's yours now.
Hey, babe, so that's not the kind of Parmesan cheese we need.
Sorry.
Oh, that's too far.
Excuse me.
I thought it was that morbid.
Yeah, cutting ribs with head, so that one.
Yeah, i do believe that the microplane was originally made for woodworking though, so it was like used to like finish edges of like cabinets and stuff.
That's like a multi yeah, multi-use tool.
Double cheese wow, foot cheese, regular cheese, i like that.
Okay, moving on from foot cheese.
Okay, moving on from foot cheese.
Maybe maybe, we don't know, it might come back.
We love a full circle.
Yeah, it is autopsies And we're getting there.
So Scarpetta's work obviously involves studying what somebody ate before they died.
As a chef, would it make you kind of nervous that your cooking could end up being in an autopsy report?
So I think what makes me nervous about that is that somebody would like see it and be like oh, that was not cooked properly.
Like, they judged the way that I cooked.
Like can you imagine if there was like Yelp reviews that like that were like ooh, stomach contents were not prepared by a professional chef?
Bad chef.
Bad chef.
Zero stars.
Zero stars for whoever cooked that.
What would you hope would end up Like?
What would your best meal be?
That would be in an autopsy report later.
Oh, my gosh.
That you'd be like, that's mine.
Like, you think it would age well?
That's me.
What feels good?
That's like getting asked like what your favorite thing to cook is, which is every chef's worst nightmare question.
But...
I will say I love cooking Mexican food, and there's a sauce called mole in, like, Oaxacan food.
Yes.
Oaxacan is my, like, all-time favorite type of Mexican.
But yeah, if I could like nail a mole and somebody opened it up and they're like oh, it smells like a delicious chicken mole.
Yeah.
Like, damn, I'm so jealous.
Yeah, that's a good one, that is a good.
That's like one of my pride and joys.
I make a good mole and it's a hard thing.
I was gonna say that's not easy to make.
Labor intensive, lots of ingredients, lots of balancing going on.
So hell yeah yeah, Yeah.
Next time you come back, you've got to come back.
I know, I know.
You've answered three food questions, and I'm like, can we go eat now?
I came empty-handed except for Bookie up there.
No, he's so worth it.
It's not food.
Not empty-handed.
I won't eat him, I promise.
No, we won't eat him.
Odie did try to bite.
I only have like two of those and Odie tried to bite one of their legs off.
Odie's my dog, not my husband.
I used to have a dog named Odie too.
You did?
We had a family dog, Odie.
And he was like half wolf.
He was like an insane dog.
Oh, Odie is half like baked potato.
He's like...
He's a pit bull, but his legs are like three inches long, so he's like really stumpy and low to the ground.
Yeah, he has little, like, flipper paws.
I love him.
He's real cute.
Oh, my God.
I would lay down my life for him.
I know.
I literally, yeah.
Is he, like, half wiener dog, too?
We think he is, like, dachshund or, like, hound of some sort.
Yeah, because he has, like, the little flipped out front feet.
Stop it.
I know.
I love dogs.
But the pity face.
A little pity face.
Potato potato, i love it.
Yeah, i'm obsessed.
We don't deserve.
I know, we really don't not at all.
Oh, so on to the next question, because i'll just talk about dogs for four minutes.
But uh, if you could cook a meal inspired by the book post-mortem, what would be on the menu?
Okay, there's so many ways that this one could go, but I do a thing for my clients.
Pancake Friday.
We have pancakes.
I literally love that you're going here.
We just had pancakes.
Did you?
Yeah.
They're a perfect food.
The maple syrup of it all nailed it, so i was so hoping that's where you were.
Yeah, so a fat stack of pancakes, some maple whipped butter and some maple glazed bacon.
Because what was that?
What is the disease called, like maple syrup, urine disease?
Yes yep, the maple syrup came up so frequently.
I was like what is that?
Like the is a maple tree the killer?
Like what is going on here?
I came in here the other day and I go maple syrup.
I was like, that is, I literally Googled because I was like, that is made up.
But it is not.
It's a real thing.
Which is crazy.
Yeah, I've never heard of that before.
That's a perfect meal for this.
As soon as you started, I was like, I love, I'm obsessed with that.
You gotta go with the maple syrup.
All right.
Next question.
So both chefs and forensic pathologists obviously work with knives and anatomy very different ways, but they both work in that, in that area.
What is the closest moment you've had in the kitchen?
That felt like a science experiment.
Either gone wrong or right.
Doesn't have to be one or the other.
Okay, so bread baking is like such a science experiment for me.
And I've had it go perfectly where like you get the crustiest, most beautiful sourdough bread ever.
You do the little crunch.
Yeah, the crunch doesn't, it springs back and you get the good air bubbles.
But then I've also had it go completely the opposite direction, where it's like literally a goopy, blobby mess.
Same.
And that's like, it's literally science and you're just mixing.
In my head, I don't understand how it works.
Elena's so horrified by sourdough starters.
I am.
She's like afraid of my sourdough starter.
It's going to come to life in the back of your fridge.
What do you mean you have to feed it?
And then she'll be like, I made this with my sourdough.
I'm like, but you failed.
You fed it.
It's a living thing.
I do think it's like personified a little more than it should be.
It is very personified.
Literally just yeast.
And I think that's the problem I have with it is the personification of sourdough sharder.
I am part of the problem.
Sourdough sharder?
Shut up.
Why are we in such a place of shards lately?
You guys are sharding left and right.
It's very easy to say Charlotte.
Say crack again.
Crack.
That's apparently how I feel about sourdough charters.
Wow, thanks a lot.
I'm blushing, guys.
Wait, is yours named or no?
I haven't named mine.
Oh, so you're not part of the problem.
No.
Mine's name is Matilda.
You're part of the answer.
Matilda.
Yeah.
She's a bad bitch.
I like it.
And that's the thing.
You'll talk about feeding Matilda and then you're like, I made this with Matilda.
And I'm like, you know what?
I've been like low-key starving Matilda.
Okay.
Well, can I just throw it out there that people are also so scared you have to like feed it every week and be on this.
You don't.
I've left mine in the fridge for months.
Oh, mine's been in the fridge for many, many months.
In fact I have one on the counter right now that looks fine to me and I haven't fed it in like a week.
Probably not going to use it.
But I think they're more forgiving than people think they are.
I agree with that.
I think so.
They're terrifying.
I don't know why.
You don't like.
I wonder if you have that phobia of the bubbles oh trypophobia no, that's the holes.
Is that the same?
I don't really.
I'm not worried about the holes, but you don't like that.
It like gurgles oh, i just i don't like that.
It feels alive okay, i think it's the the way that it feels like.
And then you're like eat this bread that i made from that like.
I think that's where my you do like the bread, I love the bread.
Thank you.
That's the problem.
Sourdough bread would be on my final death row meal.
Like just hot sourdough bread with butter and salt.
I'm very conflicted on the whole thing.
It's okay to feel conflicted about these things.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Your thoughts and feelings are valid here.
Yeah, and it shows how kind you are that you care about Matilda so much.
This is a safe space.
It's true, the ladies just starts crying.
I'm like, please stop, i'm really upset.
Oh so what?
What ingredient would absolutely give you away if you tried to commit a culinary crime?
Like what is your fingerprint in the ingredient form?
That's a clever question.
I like this a lot.
Thank you um, Lemon zest, I think.
With my kitchen microplane.
He said the kitchen, not bathroom.
Seriously, lemon zest, or citrus zest in general, is just such a great way to give a ton of aromatic bursts of flavor.
Also, if you don't want that really acidic juice, sometimes it's just like a nice little bright herby finish.
I am a freak.
It became a joke on set when we were doing the photos for the book.
Jillian, the gal that was the food stylist with me, she would be like, lemon zest on this.
I'm like, yeah.
And it looks pretty.
It does.
It adds a little brightness.
I love that.
I love that a lot.
I think cheese would be mine.
Cheese.
Just all purpose cheese.
If it's cheese, they're just like, that's her.
I think garlic would be mine.
Oh, yeah.
I put garlic in everything.
Yeah.
And I love extra garlic.
Oh, hell yeah.
If it says like two cloves of garlic, I'm like 17.
No.
Okay.
I always just say like garlic measure with your heart.
That's literally.
Yeah.
That and vanilla extract.
A hundred percent.
Whenever I bake, I do double the vanilla and double the salt.
Oh, double the salt.
Double salt.
Like cookies, chocolate chip cookies.
I don't have a crap ton of salt.
I love adding chocolate.
I always top them with a bit of salt.
Oh, you gotta.
The best.
Well, that's good to know.
I like that.
I love that.
Hell yeah.
Well, I guess now we can get into the book.
Yeah, let's get into the book.
We talked about that.
So what did we think of the book?
90s, incredible strong women.
I i walked away with it being like women empowering other women, coming together to be badasses, like that's.
That was how it closed for me and i love that, because i love that it ended with k, abby and lucy yes, all coming to you and how much lucy ended up helping.
I know yes that, that little girl I have to confess at one point.
One thing I loved about the book too is it like took me on so many journeys of like who I thought did it.
And at one point I was blaming little Lucy.
I was like, 10 year old girl is definitely not the killer.
But in my head, I was like, she might have done it.
I bet she broke into the database for sure.
And I was like, I don't know why, but I think she did.
But it was so clever the way she would like weave everybody's story.
And then I was like, oh, I'm sure it's this person.
And then no, now I'm sure it's this person.
She's so good at that.
Yes.
Like so good at that.
There was so many times, especially like the further along we got into it, that I thought it was Bill.
I really, really thought it was Bill.
He fleed.
Yeah.
I was like, Bill sucks ass.
I was pissed.
I hated Bill from the second he showed up.
I didn't feel like he got his enough.
Agreed.
You know what I mean?
Agreed.
Like, I want somebody to pummel him.
Yeah.
I think Abby's going to take care of him.
Abby's going to pummel him.
I think she's going to expose him.
Him and, is it Ambergy?
I think so, yeah.
Yeah.
I want her to pummel them.
The worst.
Just men being horrible.
I also thought that it was Wingo at a certain point.
Did you ever think that?
Yes.
You came in the other day.
Nobody was safe.
Nobody was safe in my brain.
No.
Not even little Lucy.
No.
Not even 10-year-old Lucy.
You're like, that bitch is up to something.
She's crazy.
She was just nuts.
Strangling people.
Like, damn.
Strong 10-year-old.
She's leaving semen.
I was just going to say, she's just leaving seminal fluid everywhere.
That's why she broke into the morgue.
I'm dead.
She's somehow got her hands on non-secreter seafood.
She's like, what's this shit?
I guess I'll throw it on people.
I guess I'll throw it on people.
Oh my god.
You guys make me blush a lot.
Little girls love pancakes, so the maple syrup also, the maple syrup smell.
That's true.
And they're always sticky.
They are always sticky.
And smelly.
Can confirm.
Jammy hands.
That's true.
Yeah, jam hands.
So it could have been Lucy.
You're valid.
You know what?
I still, my thing is Lucy.
You're like, actually, good.
I'm going to rewrite.
Book two is going to come back and be like, kidding.
It was Lucy.
Oh, man.
I love it.
But I do love, too, that they made Marino, like...
Like, such a foil in the beginning.
And then at the end, he ends up, like, standing up for her.
And, like, saving her ass.
Yeah, and then saving her.
Thank God because there had to be one good, like straight man to come through and like, do something to like restore her faith a little bit.
And it was, like, questionable for most people.
Because, like, he's sitting there being, like, goddamn woman when he walks away.
And you're just like Marie.
Yeah, marino's like a.
He's a main stay.
I really like oh interesting, this is so.
This is my first book that i've read in the series.
I'm definitely going to read more, but that's interested to see like which characters come back.
Yeah, me too.
It's really fun.
And you said Lucy is a main character.
Lucy becomes a very big character.
Lucy's pretty badass.
Okay, fun.
She's fun.
I feel like she's going to grow up to be a computer hacker.
Yes.
One of the good ones.
She just works for Anonymous.
Yeah, there you go.
I love that.
I love that theory.
And I love that.
Like throughout the book, it's like there's, I think there's a lot of like K being like science and logic and like we need to look at this like this, and Marino's the one that's like I'm going off of instinct and I think it's this, like I have street smarts, so let's go this way.
Went to school hard knocks.
Yeah.
He's like, I know this, but he was wrong for most of the book with his instincts and she was right.
And then in the end it flipped and his instincts had him show up to save her.
Yep.
So I like that they gave them both totally flowers.
It was almost like confirming like you need both sides yeah, you can't just be one of the other.
It's so true.
And just the way their relationship developed because, like i think, when she first found out that he was driving by her house, she thought it was because he wanted to be like oh, how does, how much does the chief medical examiner make?
And like he wanted to judge her yep, but he actually just had this instinct to protect her.
Yeah, I love them together.
I know.
You told me that I was going to love Marino.
So I was like, as I was flicking through, I was like, all right, not yet.
Not yet.
If you would have told me that at the beginning, I would not have believed it.
I was like, give him a moment.
Yeah.
And then I did and I did.
And I, now I'm like, I love Marino.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Love him.
I had so many theories about who the killer was throughout this.
Like we were just talking, we thought it was like Wingo.
Yeah.
We thought it was, I mean, I thought it was the husband at first.
There was a little bit where I was like, fuck, is it Marina?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You just don't know.
And then when it comes, I like that it came through with, like it was like a layered reveal of like but you, i never saw it coming, like i did not see, i didn't come up with that until it was like announced.
I was like, oh shit, like that makes so much sense.
At first i was a little disappointed that it wasn't somebody that had like grown we were talking like a deep relationship with.
But I do think it kind of in the end, lets us walk away with like our own ideas of who those people are and how they evolved.
Yeah.
By putting it, by making it be like a rando.
Yeah.
Spoiler alert.
Spoiler alert.
Sorry.
We'll say spoiler alert before this.
So like you need to read it at first.
Yeah, I also like because I felt the same way.
I was like oh, why is it just like a random person?
But then, the more I thought about it, I was like that's kind of how life works, like it's not always who you suspect is the killer.
Yeah, and it's true, you know, like regular, everyday people that you think are just going about their jobs For like, how dramatic everything was.
It was like a very real ending.
I feel like
Yeah.
It really was.
And that you didn't get a motive.
Yeah.
Like it was just kind of like, he's just.
He's just a. Hates women.
He just smells like maple syrup.
Yeah, he just smells like maple syrup and hates women.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like, and liked listening to them in distress.
Yeah.
So like he would hear them in distress and be like, well, I would like to cause more of that.
Shiver down my spine.
I hate that.
I thought it was a super like creative and like it was like a unique like kind of.
Yeah, like have you ever heard of that with a serial killer before?
Yeah.
Like listening to something.
That they listened to them in distress.
And that's how they found them.
And they were like, that's who I talked to.
Yeah, I don't know that we've ever come across that.
So I think that was like.
At least not yet.
Not yet.
That was a real creative Patricia.
It was.
Honestly, yeah.
Yeah patty, you slayed with that one.
You really did a big slay, big slay, patty.
Well, i think she does a good job too at um, like showing k's like isolation, how she starts feeling isolated big time Because she's surrounded by men.
And she's kind of like... In the male-dominated field.
She, like, feels like she's losing it.
Yeah.
And everybody's like, you look so tired.
You look like shit.
I know, like, literally you can see her, like, devolving into this, like, sleepy shell of a person.
Yeah.
Which like because she's working so hard and then also doing work in something that is like so traumatizing.
Yeah.
How could you not?
It seemed like the worst of humanity.
Yeah.
And I think she looked at that first victim that we saw and I think she saw herself in Laurie, because Laurie was like a young female doctor.
Well and they had met that one time.
And she kind of like kept that to herself for a while.
And then I was like when she talked to the psychiatrist or psychologist, when she let that go, I was like oh, that's why that's affecting you so much.
And another one where I was like okay, who's on school campus that like would have seen them together, that could have picked them out.
And that's why it's so fun to piece together.
It really is.
I also like the way that Patricia does it, where you get so much of her work life but you also get her home life.
So you can see why she's so fucking stressed out.
Yes.
Because in the middle of everything that she's dealing with, like trying to solve this insane murder, she's also taking care of a 10 year old.
Yeah.
And her sister's just like, peace out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like, I'm going to go with my illustrator to Miami.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now she has to be a mom.
Right.
I hate Dorothy.
Yeah.
She's the worst.
Dorothy is such an interesting character.
That's being nice.
Throughout the series.
So she sticks around.
Jamie Lee Curtis plays Dorothy in the TV series.
And when you see her in the trailers, the previews yes, i mean, i can see it.
Yeah, it was so not what i pictured, but now i can't picture anything else, like i'm like what did i picture?
You'll, because you're picturing her like younger?
Yeah too, but she, we're probably seeing her in like an age timeline.
Yeah Kay, to me I kept seeing her when I was reading as like a mix of Dana Scully and Carmella from Carmella Soprano.
Oh, I like that.
With her big French tip.
Hell yeah.
Because she's definitely got Dana Scully vibes.
She definitely has Dana Scully vibes.
Kind of like reserved, like cool, like very, like methodical.
But then i i wanted her to be like kind of the italian like yeah exactly, and what's cool is, as this, as the series goes, you get a lot of k's like personal life and her life outside of the the morgue.
I'm excited she's like a cook, like she loves to cook, she loves to garden, like she's got all these like passions outside of it that they develop, which is nice, the gardening one.
Towards that yeah okay, she's very well rounded in the rest of the series.
Like you get so many looks at like her life.
I really like it.
Yeah, that is really cool because you would need that.
If you're the chief medical examiner, you need like outlets.
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
I can't even imagine.
You need to put your head somewhere.
Yeah.
And I related to that so much because, even like when we do like these like very violent stories, I love going home and cooking.
And I like.
Yes.
I have stuff going on in my personal life.
Like cooking is an outlet for me for sure.
It's such a good way to just like decompress.
You like put your phone down, be in touch with your senses and like take your time if you can yeah, and like and create something.
Create that's just like with your hands.
Yeah, chopping all the ingredients, like i don't, it does something for my nervous system.
Yeah yeah, i feel like when i first started doing cooking videos, I was very into like the ASMR chop style, like lean into those, like heavy sauteing sounds and onion chopping.
Like I loved that.
I love the second sauteing.
Immediately mouthwatering.
Yes.
That was one thing in the book that I was like, can't relate.
I forget which victim it was, but she opened her windows because she had cooked Oh the ground beef.
Ground beef and onions.
I was like, that probably smells fucking incredible.
Actually, put that in a bottle so I can like spritz it.
Literally, I'm like, I love that smell.
If I'm like cooking that and I go outside for some reason and come back I'm like oh, the house is filled right now.
I'll never open the windows and get rid of that.
Yeah, it's true.
And speaking of windows...
Ash texted the other night while she was finishing this.
She texted and she was like I am freaking out, closing all my windows and making sure they are double, triple checked.
Like you're genuinely scared.
No, you guys.
I sat down I think it was like last Saturday or something and I read almost the entire book in one sitting, because I just I was like eating this up.
Yeah.
And it was like 10 o'clock by the time I finished.
Oh my God.
I went around my entire house.
I locked all the windows.
There was one that wasn't locking.
I ran upstairs.
I was like, Drew, the downstairs dining room window is not locking.
Why?
And he was like, what?
You're like, where's danger?
Fix it.
I'm like, can you please get up and go fix the window?
And he did.
And it locks, so don't even try it.
Don't.
Don't even try it.
Whoever you are.
Don't even try it.
But yeah.
I grew up in a town where like literally my dad would keep the keys to his car on his dashboard.
We did not own a key to our front door.
Oh my God.
Holy shit.
So I had to be like very retrained.
Like Ryan, my husband's dad is like was a cop.
And so Ryan's like the opposite end of that spectrum.
Yeah, I was going to say.
Where he's like, we're home and all the doors are locked.
And I'm like, why is our front door locked?
So this is all very foreign to me.
But, like between Ryan and listening to you guys, I feel like I've become much more, much more cautious.
Fresh air is for dead people after all.
I do love fresh air though.
I do love to share.
But you just go outside for a walk.
Just a walk.
Yeah.
And I love to burp the house during the day.
Burp the house.
We just learned about this.
It's a thing.
Is it a German thing or a Dutch thing?
I think it's Dutch.
It's wonderful.
What is it called?
Hold on.
I said, I was like, we need to do this to the house.
I love burping the house.
In Phoenix, we have to like turn on our heat during the summer sometimes because it sits.
Oh my God.
It sits idle for so long that you have to like burp the heater basically.
So you have to like so like, once a month you have to like turn the heat up a little bit on your already hot home.
It's terrible.
That sounds awful.
I couldn't do it.
Phoenix is hot.
It's hot.
Yeah, you were saying it gets up to like 120 degrees.
I mean, I'm in the Hamptons when that happens.
Which is smart.
Smart.
Get out of there.
Poor husband.
We can't have you on fire like that.
No, we can't.
No, I would literally melt.
Yeah.
Burping the house is German.
It's called, I think it's Lüften.
Lüften.
We Lüften the house.
Yeah.
I love Lüften the house.
I'm obsessed with it.
Even when I left you yesterday, you were by yourself and I was like, lock the door.
Yeah.
She was very aggressive about it actually.
She's like, close the door and lock it behind me.
And I was like, I will.
I don't know.
I'm very, I left my friend's house last night and her house was so hot.
We were like both sweating and she was like, yeah, I'm going to sleep with the window open.
I was like, no, you're not.
No, you're not.
I always wish we could do that.
No.
I know.
I always want to do that because like fresh air coming in feels nice, but I never would.
I never wanted to know.
I never would.
Aren't we at a point with science where we can figure this out?
I know.
Let me have a window open.
You know what?
We just need to put bars on our windows.
That's all.
Perfect.
Let's live in a penitentiary.
Then you can open it.
And no one can get in.
But you still get there.
Penitentiary vibes.
But you know what?
Make the bars pretty.
You can make the bars like translucent.
Oh, okay.
Make them pretty.
Decorate them.
I'm on board now.
But reinforced so that nobody's getting in those bitches.
Wait, how did you feel?
I forget.
I don't remember like what scene this was or anything, but I just remember.
I don't remember anything.
I don't remember any part of this.
Single thing.
I actually don't know what I'm saying.
No, she said that she really hated Spanish moss.
Oh.
And I said, do you feel personally victimized by that?
Yeah, because I love Spanish mosh.
Spanish mosh.
Spanish mosh.
Spanish mosh.
It's rad.
It's like shark.
Yeah.
Spanish shark.
It's easy, easy to say i love a spanish moss moment.
It's so like ethereal and like yeah, and it feels so like gothic, like it feels so southern gothic, like yeah, i i requested from john.
I was like can we please just like truck up some spanish moss?
I don't think it survives here.
And he was like it will not.
I don't think that's how plants work.
Also, i'm pretty sure it has tons of bugs in it.
Like oh yeah yeah yeah, it's like invasive, i think yeah, once you get into the nitty-gritty of it it's maybe not as cute, but invade, it is invasive.
Mikey gave me the nod but like my plants had it coming also.
That's called.
You know what that's called?
Boss bitch energy.
She knows, she's the one.
She said me it, me primary.
That's right.
Oh, i love a spanish moss.
Yeah beautiful, The Abby Turnbull of it all with Bill.
Yeah.
Like Bill being a full on rapist.
He's just a rapist.
Drug turning.
And then he's claiming that she came on to him and he rejected her.
I was like, you piece of shit.
Classic maneuver.
Totally.
What pissed me off too, was he was like okay, I think, now that I've run away, we probably shouldn't see each other fuck you.
She didn't want to see you come back.
No oh, i don't think he.
But yeah, i don't think we got the justice that we deserve with him.
Yeah, he doesn't.
Yeah, so did he just get away with rape then?
I don't know actually.
I don't remember.
In my head, he gets hunted down.
Oh, good.
Yeah.
Oh, good.
You were saying in my head, I thought you were saying he gets away with it.
And I was like, no.
No.
You're like wait wrong vibe, i know i know no way, like why would i say that?
I also like that.
So when marina was kind of like pressing her about it, like because when she was like we were kind of seeing each other and he was like has he like attacked you, like has that happened?
Was like pressing her, she was like actually kind of memories like what the fuck?
Like why you asked me and he apologized later, Which was like a big Marino moment.
I was like, look at you apologizing.
He grew a lot.
I mean, the bar is in hell, obviously.
It's the 90s and he's a man.
He's a man.
I just meant don't do that.
How far is it now?
It literally is.
Because I'm just like, look at him saying sorry for pressing the rape question.
Like, damn.
Yeah.
But I was like, that's pretty good for Marina in 1990.
One thing I wish we got a little bit more on was Bill's wife's possible suicide, because I don't think she committed suicide.
Yes.
That's why I don't want to say that he doesn't show up again because I'm not positive on that.
I haven't read the beginning of the series in a long time.
I mean, you were 10 when you read this.
I was young when I read it.
Fair that you forgot some stuff along the way.
Yeah.
When I first heard that she had committed suicide, air quotes.
Yeah.
I was like that immediately.
I was like, yeah, red flag bills like no good.
Like I'm scared for Kay.
And it was only like a year before.
Yeah.
And Kay was like weird about it.
She was like, yeah, I don't like she was normal about it.
But she was like had conflicting feelings.
Yeah.
Because she was like, that's not a lot of time.
Yeah.
What's going on?
And then they were saying like well, like she could have, because she had like gunpowder residue on her hand.
But I'm like, he's a cop.
He's a cop.
He would know exactly how to cover everything up.
Exactly.
I thought that we didn't talk about the dust, the glitter dust.
You want to know what I thought it was like for the whole book.
Basically, I thought it was going to come out that it was like leftover fingerprint dusting powder.
So I was like it's an inside job.
I was like it's a cop who has like fingerprint powder on them and they don't know.
You weren't far off.
Yeah, you really weren't.
Like in the law enforcement part of it.
True.
Because that I loved, because it was so.
The whole time I was like what the fuck is this glittery shit?
Yes.
And then as soon as that popped up.
Yeah.
And as soon as they were like, oh, municipal buildings use borax in the bathrooms.
I was like, oh shit, like it's all happening.
It's all happening.
That was really fascinating yeah, and i also loved the um when they went to visit the crime scenes, marino and k, and they went into like the psychology a lot more.
That was a really interesting scene.
That was also just like so cinematic.
Yeah, i could see that in my head the entire time.
I can't wait to see that.
Yeah, it just in the show.
Yeah, to me it felt like so like hot and sweaty and yes, like so.
You felt nerve-wracking yeah, claustrophobic.
Yes like, and his nasty ass car definitely smelled definitely like mcdonald's rappers all over.
His nasty ass car, i'm pretty sure like perseveres.
That's like a character.
I think that's like part of his pathology.
As somebody who's had nasty house cars, I get it.
Do you guys want to know something I splurge on?
No.
I drive so much.
I drive so much because I work like split shifts and I...
Um, now I splurge on having somebody come to wash my car once a month.
Oh, hell yeah.
Honestly valid.
It's a freaking game changer.
I probably would do that.
My husband details my car like incredibly, but if I didn't have him, I would absolutely do that.
Is he looking for another husband?
Yeah, probably.
Come on over.
No, Ryan did set all this up for me, so I'm very lucky.
But yeah, having a clean car is life-changing.
It's like a second house.
It starts your day off better.
Yes.
You just get in there and you're like, ah.
You get in and sit squeaky clean.
Yeah, you don't want to sit in a nasty-ass car.
I drink my coffee while I'm in a nasty-ass car.
Yeah, exactly.
I used to have the nastiest cars.
This literally came up at my wedding.
Why can I see this perfectly actually?
No, this picture over here.
This maid of honor, this matron of honor in that moment.
I just spit everywhere.
Brought up, I once left fish tacos in my car.
And then something spilled in my car.
Wasn't it like, wasn't it like?
It was chicken marsala.
Chicken Karsala.
Chicken Karsala.
Chicken Karsala forever.
And it is forever.
If anybody's driving a white Saturn around, you're driving my chicken car.
Enjoy.
They don't even make that car anymore.
I loved her.
Her name was Stacy.
That is like such a niche thing.
Kay Scarpetta would appreciate that.
Yeah, it was a rough spill.
That one's wet.
And it's like such, it was impossible to get.
It's an earthy smell.
Yeah, it sure was, guys.
I drove that car into the ground, though.
Yeah, that might have been similar to what Dead Body smells like.
To be honest, it's that sickly sweet.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's how I was living when I was like 20 something.
That's why Felicia didn't like me.
We've all been through that.
You know, that's what it was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Just going back to like the crime scene visits.
You're like going back to something that we're here to talk about.
I was like, I gotta get away from the chicken Karsala.
Get away from your nasty ass.
I think you also left sushi on my shelf once.
Oh my goodness.
Do we need to have a talk about food safety with you?
That was so embarrassing.
She's like why am I getting sick from this grocery store sushi?
I left on the counter for eight hours.
No, I didn't eat it.
I was eating it.
And I put it in a bookshelf next to me.
Right, because that's where sushi goes.
It didn't go up.
So one day John's just like, what the fuck is that?
And I was like, I don't know.
It was the next day.
And he was like, what is this?
We found it.
Neither of us eat sushi.
So we were just like, what?
And John was like, this is Ash.
This is Ash's sushi.
Okay, but that weekend was the weekend that I helped you when your kid threw up in the car.
So I got you back.
So you did.
Did the cup hand.
This is a different barforama.
Yeah barforama, babe.
Kids puke yeah oh, my god, just doing all my nastiness, it's like when we started the show and i would say i'm trash yeah, i can't tell everybody trash without you, sure?
Yeah, you sure can't.
That's why we love you.
But again back to the back, to the nastiest car, Yeah.
But in back to the crime scenes, I liked that they were going into the psychology, because I think the behavioral science unit was only established in like 85.
That makes sense.
Really not that far off.
Because it's like brand new in like Silence of the Lambs, right?
Yeah, it's like brand new.
So when she was writing this, it had probably only been around for a couple of years and she was probably like hell yeah.
Her brain is special then.
And then the way she was talking about the DNA too, it was like, whoa, deep dive.
Did a lot of it go over my head?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I was like, damn.
Those were ones that I had read over.
I'm impressed.
I'm impressed.
They were fascinating though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it also is just like crazy to think that and we've covered cases before where people are like DNA what the fuck is that?
When it was like the 80s.
What?
What does that prove?
Get out of here.
But it's crazy to think that.
Yeah.
That's just how we solve shit now.
But back in the day, you couldn't even really explain that to people.
Yeah.
DNA in cell phones, baby.
Oh my God.
It's like in Scream.
I knew you were going to say that.
Every time I think of it like the original Scream when that cell phone drops.
I remember watching it and being like He has a fucking cell phone.
Like, excuse me?
Only killers have cell phones.
Only murderers.
It was like, what the fuck?
And it's like a giant brick that falls out of his fucking pants.
The Zach Boris phone.
And it's like...
I was like that is like the heyday of horror movies, because it's like when a cell phone was like the smoking gun.
Like only one person has a cell phone in this whole movie.
It's got to be him.
Yeah.
My husband doesn't do horror movies, but Well, now he does and I intro'd him with Scream because I was like that's how you get introduced.
And that was one of the first, like, gnarly movies that I watched.
Yep.
And I think I was 10, and my brother...
I think I was 10, too.
I think I was 11.
Yeah.
My brother made me watch it and then scared me for the next month whenever he possibly could.
So it was scarring, but also my intro into loving horror movies.
Builds character.
Yeah, builds character.
My husband was not a big horror head before he met me.
That's not going to last.
No.
I started him with The Strangers, which might have been.
You evil.
That's.
It's like one of my favorite horror movies ever.
Absolutely.
You have to watch this.
And to this day, if I go, is Tamara.
He's like, shut the fuck up!
It terrifies him.
The scene where she's home alone and the vinyl starts playing is one of the creepiest.
And it's Mama Tried.
Yes.
I also heard that the director didn't tell her where they were going to be coming from.
So she was actually like said she was terrified.
Freaked out.
So smart.
Yeah.
I was watching the Rachel Zoe project the other day and Liv Tyler was being styled and I was like, oh my God, she lives.
She made it through.
Then I was like, oh, that's a movie.
Oh, she's Liv Tyler.
Yeah.
She's living.
That movie is iconic.
It's one of my favorite movies.
Yeah.
My favorite.
Well, Silence of the Lambs is my favorite.
Me too.
Yeah.
That's my comfort movie.
Me too.
Like I put it on when I can't sleep.
I will literally put it on just to like feel good.
That's how I feel about screaming.
Which is insane.
It's so insane.
I tell people that and they like step back from me.
They're like, what?
They're like, that's weird.
What's wrong?
I mean, well, half that movie is them staring straight into the camera.
I know.
And I'm like, I love this.
Yeah.
I haven't watched that in forever.
You're talking to me.
It's so good.
Jodi's talking to me.
It is so good.
That's been coming up in conversation so much lately randomly.
I feel like I'm being called to watch that again.
It's true.
Yeah.
I think we were in New York at the same time as Jodi Foster last time.
We were.
She was on the Today Show.
And I wanted to find her and I thought like I thought we would be like beacons with each other and just like find each other.
And we didn't.
I know.
It was so sad.
It was maybe like something was retrograde.
Yeah, something was wrong.
Yeah.
Because normally me and Jodi would.
Yeah, your beacons, for sure.
I respect that.
It wasn't a good trip.
It's true.
We almost named Blanche Clarice when John would let me.
He was like, no.
No.
You can't name the dog Clarice.
You could have said, hello, Clarice.
Clarice.
Every time she walked into a room, I was going to say, hello, Clarice.
And the other one is Sydney, and you can say, hello, Sydney.
And I do do that a lot.
Wow.
That's actually such a missed opportunity.
Right?
Yeah.
Right?
Missed opportunity.
You're like, no, I'm going to fist fight him when I go upstairs.
Put him out.
Put him out.
Oh, man.
I love it.
Ryan's car was named Clarice, but he hadn't seen the movie.
And I was like, what?
You just named your Ford Focus Clarice?
Yeah, you're like, out of nowhere?
I love naming cars.
It's not Clarice Starling?
Mine's Vivian.
Oh, I love that.
She's kind of a baddie.
I like that.
Mine's Big Inch, the sequel.
Oh.
I had a big inch.
Which makes so much sense.
And then I wasn't ready to give it up yet.
So I was like, my next car is big inch too.
Is it a big car?
No.
No, I just love Big Edge.
I mean, she is a legend.
And then you can get a third one on Big Edge the remake.
Absolutely.
The trifecta.
That's right.
Big Edge 5 ever.
Our big car is named Daisy Buchanan.
That's cute.
I like that.
I like that a lot.
My first car was Stacy because then I was Stacy's mom and I had it going on.
I love your brain so much.
Thank you.
Your brain is pretty great.
It's a wild place to live.
Both of your brains are insane and I love them so much.
It's a unique space over there.
So is yours.
Yours is a lot scarier.
Mine's just like... And yours is like...
You know?
I do.
That actually, yeah, that was perfect.
They really nailed that.
I was like all right, i feel like we got through most of the book discussion.
I mean, i feel like we could talk about it forever, but i think we got.
The big one thing i have to say is that ash was completely like you were like wingo did it, oh yeah.
And then i know you came in and you were like fuck, Like Lingo actually did his big one and tested that cigarette.
I really felt so bad.
As soon as he put something into... What was the... Was it Betty?
It was Betty.
Yeah.
Rockabilly Betty.
When you put something in her pocket, I like didn't trust her.
I didn't trust Wingo.
I was like they're in it.
Again, that's her like playing – she's such a good writer because that's like the game.
Like as soon as you think you are on to someone, it's like boom.
You'll suspect anyone.
Yeah.
I also love that she surrounded Kay with a lot of women, Like Betty the serologist, There's Margaret the computer analyst, So like there's more Strong with Abby as like the strong, And I think Abby is like her, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, you were saying that this morning and it makes sense.
She started out as an investigative crime reporter.
Oh, cool.
And I don't think she said that that's her, but it feels like her.
Yeah.
And I love in the end, she's like, come on vacation with us.
I'm like, are you guys going to be lovers now?
I love you guys.
The enemy to lover pipeline.
He's like, I'm going to bring you forced proximity on vacation.
She's like, me and Lucy were hitting the beach.
Go to Miami.
Lucy, you want to do auntie?
My murderer niece, Lucy.
She's got some secret.
She's got a bottle of non-secret around her.
Sorry if she smells like maple syrup.
Not Lucy catching strays.
All right.
So whenever we have a guest on, we like sort of end with Would You Rather, but we have Would You Rather for you and a bonus game.
Ooh, bonus game.
Yes, so we'll do.
Would you rather?
First okay, do you want to start the?
Would you rather?
And we can just go back and forth.
Yeah, let's go.
All right, start it off girl, all right.
Would you rather spend a day learning real forensic pathology from case carpetta or spend a day inside the fbi behavioral analysis unit with benton wesley?
I feel like Benton Wesley is hot.
I don't know why.
Oh.
I think he kind of is in the show.
Is he?
Yeah.
Just if that influences your decision at all.
It does.
Like deeply, deeply influences my decision.
I'm pretty sure he's like the hot guy in Devil Wears Prada.
Benton.
Period.
I'm going to the end.
I'm definitely staying with Kay.
She's a legend.
I want to date with Kay.
Me too.
I'm going to the behavioral analysis unit, girl.
See you later.
I'm hanging out with Kay.
Yeah.
Even though I just want to hang with her.
Yeah.
Really.
I'm like, let's do an autopsy together.
Girl.
I also miss doing autopsies.
Yeah.
I don't want to do an autopsy, but I do really like forensic science.
Yeah.
I find it super interesting.
And Ben's hot.
Yeah.
Win-win.
He is.
Win-win.
Yeah.
All right.
How about would you rather assist Garpetta with an autopsy or ride along with Marino for a suspect chase at 3 am?
?
Not in his dirty-ass car.
No, thank you.
3 a.m., I would be chicken barf-soling all over the car.
Chicken barf-soling.
Chicken barf-soling.
Definitely autopsy.
And I've never done an autopsy.
And when I was in like eighth grade I did a whole science report on autopsies.
Really, i love that.
You were like destined to be here.
No, literally my grandpa was a pathologist also.
Hell yeah, you left that out.
I know sorry, That's so cool.
Everyone on my mom's side.
My mom's a PA and, like everyone on that side of the family, is all very sciencey and medical.
Really?
Oh, that's so cool.
My mom brought home that she worked for an eye surgery center and she brought home pig eyes that they'd used to like test a laser.
My brother and I got in a pig eye fight when we were kids.
Stop.
The greatest thing I've ever heard.
I'm not joking.
God bless Gail for bringing her grubby ass children home a styrofoam box of pig eyes because she knew we would have so much fun with them.
Good for her.
That's good parenting.
Right there, you know what.
She looked at that styrofoam box and she said i know who would love this, need another life.
Your, your video that you did when you showed your parents your cookbook i actually cried.
No, i i will cry right now.
Just thinking your dad's laugh is everything to me.
I have shown everyone in this house that video.
It's so several times.
I mean literally that moment made every moment of work like it was so special.
They had no idea.
That's so.
Her too, like honestly, Riley.
She always says that I'm like Gail Charlie, and then when they're reading it and they're like this is so you like I was like oh, they get you.
You're like why are you bullying me right now?
Okay, okay.
Next crazy question.
All right.
So would you rather spend one night in the morgue with Kay, like an overnight, or one chaotic dinner rush in a Michelin star kitchen?
Oh my gosh, that's a tough one.
Did you work in a Michelin star?
I did.
I do miss that rush a little bit.
And overnight in a morgue sounds spooky.
A little too spooky for me.
It is spooky.
As long as the chef isn't like a total asshole, then I'm doing the night at the Michelin star restaurant.
All right.
I like that.
When you're like cooking that way on a line in like high pace, like frantic energy, but it's like controlled chaos, it's.
It's really fun when it like gels.
And when you get to the end of it, you're like, I did that.
Yeah.
It's very gratifying.
I know.
That must feel really gratifying at the end of that.
You're just like, damn, I survived.
Yeah.
And I thrived.
I mean, I did take out on an Irish pub, so I can relate.
You know?
Yeah.
You're like, me?
Same.
I get it been there.
You know it's crazy.
I would pick the autopsy again because, because you did it, can you like go back and do autopsies?
I don't know.
I feel like I should just text the doctor I worked under and just be like, hi, can I pop in?
Can I just pop in real quick?
Hey, can I get in on that?
Throw on some gloves, see what I can do.
Do you guys still have the Home Depots?
I feel like you guys need a cranium opened.
Yeah.
I do remember how to do that, so let's go.
Wild.
Yeah.
Middle of the night in a morgue is crazy because you will like get yourself completely psyched out.
Oh, I would lose it.
Yeah.
Walking into the refrigerator, you're like, who's going to sit up?
Like someone's going to do something.
Tell the story about the guy with the, you know, when you were like, wait a second.
With the, oh.
I was like, I can't really say this without ruining it.
So once in a while if there's air trapped.
Yeah.
If you push a certain way or you move the body a certain way, they will release that air and it will sound like a breath coming out.
My jaw is on the floor.
And it happened once the entire time I worked on that and it scared the shit out of me.
Did you scream?
I was like, this one's alive.
We fucked on.
What was it doing live?
One day i was like we fucked this up guys, yeah.
And then you feel weird performing the autopsy because you're like, are you sure they're not?
This is that's what that was like.
Yeah, it was a lot.
Yeah, that's horrible.
Um, were you, like this, ever desensitized to seeing bodies like that, or is it Probably?
Probably to like a crazy point.
But like early on?
In the beginning it was like.
How did you like overcome that?
In the beginning it was crazy but I think I like immediately went into like.
Well you always wanted to do it.
Just turn it off mode because I always wanted to.
Okay.
So I think I just went in there and I was so determined to not be that person that faints your first day in there.
Oh my God, did somebody faint?
Well, it's happened a lot apparently.
I didn't see anybody, but we did have, like medical students who would come in and which I was like.
This is not for you.
They would have to leave.
Like some of them would leave and be like, I feel sick. or I don't feel well.
Well, it's a lot.
Sensory overload, I would think.
And there's just a lot.
Yeah, that's the thing.
A lot of smells, a lot of sights.
A lot of sounds.
Yeah.
A lot of stuff.
And when I first went in there, it's true.
There's a lot of squelching squelching, and when I first went in there, all of the like the first day, they were like okay, come in.
They're showing me around and I'm like okay, cool.
And he's like this is the the stool that I want you to sit on.
If you feel like you're gonna pass out, don't sit on that stool, sit on this one.
I was like okay.
And then he was like if you're gonna throw up, throw up in that sink, not this sink.
And I was like yeah, people throw up.
Like i was like what's going on?
He's like, just in case, like it's happened, and i don't want you to throw up in here because we'll have to clean it like immediately.
And i was like oh okay, you said noted, but i was like i am not gonna throw up and i'm not gonna have to sit down.
And you didn't nice, it's a lot, it's definitely a lot.
I would throw up and pass out and probably die.
Then they do the autopsy on you right then.
And there
Yeah, we'd be like, oh, we got a fresh one.
Yeah, we'd be like, well, this is easy.
No transport needed.
Boom.
Just throw me on the table.
Yeah.
All right.
One more Assist K question.
So Assist K or wash dishes for 12 hours on a Valentine's Day show.
Okay, I do love washing dishes.
I do too.
I find it cathartic, soothing.
Yeah, but...
I'm not doing that.
12 hours.
I've graduated from my dishwashing days, I think.
No, thank you.
Me and Kay are buddying up.
Yeah, and Kay wouldn't have to wash any of the tools.
No, that's probably Winho's job.
Hand that to some technicians.
There you go.
Yeah.
I think I'm with you there.
Yeah.
Again, I'm assisting Kay.
I think this is my first K-assist.
I'm with K all day.
I'm like, hi, K, I'm Ash.
Hi, I've arrived.
So would you rather be interrogated by detectives for eight hours or be judged by a panel of extremely mean celebrity chefs about your cooking?
That sounds so scary.
Which I think are two very like relatable things.
Yeah.
Like very similar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, I grew up in the world of cooking competition.
So we would compete and then you get blasted by judges at the end for everything you did wrong.
So I can I can withstand that one.
So I'm going to do that.
I mean, I still love chefs.
Chefs have thick skin.
You have to.
You have to.
Yeah.
I would assume so.
Well, and I feel like being interrogated.
They could like make you admit to something that you didn't do.
A hundred percent.
I'm so afraid of that.
The mind games.
I would just be like, I did it.
I did it.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, you're like fighting back about your dish.
You're like, I put that in there.
Yeah.
I don't know what I would do, because the other day I made like chicken thighs and I think I overcooked them.
And one of my 10 year olds said this was a little chewy and it literally ruined my life.
You know I actually I don't have children, but I have thought about how heartbroken I would be if my kids said they didn't like something I made them.
And kids will tell you.
Oh yeah.
Even if you make them like an amazing meal, they're like, this is gross.
Probably the more amazing you go, they don't like.
Yeah.
They're like, where are my nuggies?
Where are my nuggies?
Yeah.
They were – she was nice about it because it was the oldest.
I know who it was.
She was nice.
Oh.
No.
I didn't think that.
It was the oldest.
She was nice.
And she was like, I loved it.
And she even was like – She gave you the compliment sandwich.
It was really good.
She literally gave me like a judge answer.
And she was like, it was just like a little chewy.
And I was like, what?
I asked John, I was like, was it chewy?
And he was like, no, it's just like chicken fat.
And I was like, you didn't, that was no but.
No but?
Yeah.
You didn't give me the absolutely not.
It was not chewing.
I was like, I fucked it up.
And chicken thighs are super moist.
They are.
I know.
So yeah, I fucked it up.
You really did.
You did fuck that one up.
I did.
I realized.
You're like, I fucked up.
I owned it.
Okay.
But I thought about it for days.
Chicken thighs are tough though.
What would Gordon Ramsay say?
Oh, my God.
We have a Gordon Ramsay question.
We do.
Oh, no.
Okay.
Oh, my God.
We're there, actually.
Oh, hey.
You let us right into it.
Would you rather be chased by a killer through a grocery store or chased by Gordon Ramsay through a kitchen because you burned his risotto?
The risotto!
Oh my gosh.
You know I, despite being a big boy, I'm a pretty fast runner.
I think i could get away from the killer.
Okay, i think i could.
All right, i've got some strong legs.
Your car is right in the parking lot right, vivian's sitting in the parking lot waiting for me and i'm just gonna hop right in.
Yeah, i think i can outrun.
I do not want to be chased by gordon ramsey.
I don't either.
I don't either.
Yeah, i'll go killer.
Yeah, i'm going killer.
Okay, fair.
Yeah, because i would have a lot to say about him that i know that we're like fuck that.
Yeah, From what I've heard, he's actually like so nice.
Totally.
I have heard that too.
But it's just like he turns it up for the persona.
Yeah.
He is on a new show where it's a lot more about like mentoring, I think.
And I'm like, I appreciate that.
Yeah.
I like that.
Because that would be wild to have like your thing is like you are just a yelling asshole.
Once you make somebody an idiot sandwich, you can't go back.
It's hard to go back.
Legendary.
But I love it so much.
It is.
It's true.
All right.
Would you rather solve the case but never know the killer's motive, or know the motive but never catch them?
It's a tough one.
This is a really tough one.
I know it is.
Because without knowing the motive, there's just no closure.
Exactly.
In my opinion, as you guys say all the time.
Allegedly.
Allegedly, in my opinion.
But solving a case is solving a case.
So I think solving the case.
You're taking them off the streets.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would reluctantly say that.
I know.
Yeah.
That's a tricky one because i want a motive.
Yeah, it's very scary.
We've covered some cases that there was like no reason.
Those are the spookiest ones yeah, and they just won't say it, like even this one that we just read in post-mortem.
Yeah, you don't really get them.
You don't know why.
I know really, it's like it's always scarier.
For sure it's crazy.
All right back to celebrity chefs.
Uh, beat bobby flay or crack the case with k.
We were so excited when we said that.
We were very excited about that yesterday.
We actually screamed it at each other.
We did.
Oh my gosh.
It was like a brain melt.
I wish we had video of that.
I know.
Oh, my God.
I think I could kick Bobby Flay's butt.
Really?
I think you could.
Yeah.
Bobby Flay.
Totally.
Let's do it.
Bobby Flay, did you hear that?
Showdown.
You're obviously listening.
Did you hear that?
You better be.
It's going down, Bobby.
Wait, I really want to get you on Beat Bobby Flay now.
Let's start a petition.
I want you to be Bobby Flay.
Petition to be on Beat Bobby Flay.
What would you make?
Because I think you get to choose.
I don't know how it works.
Do I choose?
I think you get to choose.
Because I think he's like, I can pick anything.
A Bobby Flay.
You got to bring him down a peg.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
You can think about it.
I have to think.
You can think.
I have to think.
Something in the Mexican realm.
I feel like those are my flavors.
Those are my strong flavors.
Everyone listening, make sure he gets a Bobby Flay.
I actually think they've reached out to me before.
You're like, I've actually had the opportunity to be popular.
I think so.
Keep doing it.
Do it anyway.
Do it anyway.
Why not?
Because I think you could do it.
Yeah.
It will be behind you.
I would throw it down.
Fuck yeah, you would.
Hell yeah.
You would beat Bobby Flay.
Bobby's an old man now, isn't he?
Oh, Bobby, he's coming for you.
Bobby's like, now let's go.
Bobby, can I text you tomorrow?
That was the bat signal to get Bobby Flay right there.
You're old.
Oh my God.
I would crack the case with Kay.
Okay.
Because I don't think I could beat Bobby Flay.
Not with those chicken thighs.
Not with those chicken thighs.
You're right.
Damn.
I don't think I could beat Bobby Flay, but I would love to experience that.
Yeah.
Like, at least attempting.
Yeah.
You gotta try.
Yeah.
I think you would have a good chance.
A good crack at it.
Thank you so much.
What would your guesses go to?
Yeah.
I would probably make my.
Well, I probably wouldn't have time, but in an ideal world I would make my short ribs.
I make really good short ribs.
I would make my chicken piccata.
Oh, your chicken piccata is out of this world.
Thank you.
No, your mac and cheese.
Oh, my mac and cheese.
My mac and cheese.
I do believe Bobby Flay probably makes a really good mac and cheese.
Absolutely.
He probably uses like 83 cheeses.
Yeah, that's true.
All right.
Well, just then we'll fist fight.
And then I'll win.
There you go.
Perfect.
Ginger against ginger.
It's going down.
All right.
Would you rather be responsible for one perfect dish every single night or solve one perfect case every year?
I think solve the perfect case once a year, but only because I get really bored in the kitchen.
So if I'm making the same dish, even if it's perfect, I'm making that dish over and over.
I'm bored.
I'm bored.
I'm easily bored.
I can understand that.
You need to be stimulated in the kitchen.
Yeah.
Give me new things.
I agree with you.
I would pick that one, too.
I definitely want to solve the perfect case every year.
That would be rad.
Let's go.
Let's do it.
Let's solve a case right now.
Let's go.
Bye, guys.
Wondering where Nancy Guthrie is.
Let's solve it.
I know.
We have to go back to Arizona, though.
Sorry.
Come on.
Come on down.
We do.
We're coming.
It's going to be like 95 degrees there next week, so maybe don't come.
We'll talk to you all.
You know what we'll zoom.
Yeah, let's plan more.
Okay, last question for would you rather?
Would you rather have a scarpetta examine your kitchen like it's a crime scene, or have a restaurant critic analyze your cooking like it's forensic evidence?
Okay, I don't think I would let Scarpetta in my kitchen because unfortunately, it is a little unorganized right now.
Okay.
Like, I will be honest.
Sometimes I let it go.
Yeah, she would call you out.
And she would not be impressed.
She'd be like, what the hell, Riley?
Yeah, yeah.
That micro whatever.
Ryan's micro flame tester is in the room.
She's like, is there foot cheese in this?
She's like, I know my foot cheese.
She's like, DNA is on that.
She's like, that shit would glitter.
Yeah.
That shit would glitter.
That shit would glisten.
So I'm going restaurant critic, analyze my cooking.
Yeah.
I would not have Scarpetta examine my kitchen.
No, my kitchen is messy.
I would have her examine my kitchen and I'd just be like, how do I improve?
It is what it is, girl.
Like, I don't know.
But a food critic would stress me out.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, because again, I have a little food critic that I created.
That's true.
I don't need to invite another one.
I created three food critics that constantly tell me about my cooking.
I love that.
My youngest favorite thing to say is when I put something in front of her, she goes that looks disgusting.
And sometimes she'll go, I bet it tastes good though.
And I'm like, damn.
My heart like just broke.
That looks disgusting, but I bet it tastes good.
And then she'll eat it and she'll be like, it does taste good.
It looks disgusting.
What does she find that, what makes it look disgusting?
Everything looks disgusting.
Any kind of like sauce that we would think and be like, oh my God, this looks delectable.
I love sauce.
I need like eight sauces on every meal.
And especially like any kind of stew.
She's like, this is heinous.
She's like, why would you put this in front of me?
Fascinating.
Like a cottage pie.
That's a no-go.
One time she ate my mac and cheese and she literally went.
I was like i'm gonna go out of the back, i'll be, i'll be out back.
If you need me get out of here physically get, i have every like layer.
I just remember you were like oh, my god, don't do That is so like would ruin me.
My youngest is ruthless.
She's hilarious.
Like, ruthless brutal.
Then my oldest is, like, very sweet.
She's the one that's like, I loved the flavor.
It was gorgeous.
But, like, it was a little chewy.
The compliment sandwich.
Like, she says it nice.
And then my middle is like, I'll fucking eat anything.
Like this is great, whatever.
That's gonna be so fascinating to like juggle such big, different personalities like.
It's always an adventure yeah, when i put a plate in front of all of them.
Yeah, it's never.
It's never a full win across.
Oh never, i never got three out of three.
No, oh yeah, But you can't be making like three separate meals for all of them.
Oh, yeah.
You have to have, like you have like backup plans, where it gets like less and less like a whole meal as you go back, because it's like it ends up at like a peanut butter sandwich.
If they don't like what I made at my house, I go, you want a peanut butter sandwich?
I know all their backups that I know will work.
So if that first one doesn't work, I'm like, okay, second in line is this.
If you don't want that, then we're going to third in line.
Momming is hard.
It is.
It's a lot.
Hats off to you.
Chef's hat off to you.
Thank you.
My favorite too, is when they'll love a meal the day before and then, like two days later, you'll make it again, because I'm like that worked.
Like, they loved that, and they'll be like, what is this?
They're like, fuck you.
The thing I made two days ago, 48 hours ago.
And they're like, no.
They're like, I never said that.
Like, what are you talking about?
Gaslight, gaslight, gaslight.
Instead.
So true.
Wow.
Yeah.
Kids are crazy.
Kids, man.
Dang.
All right.
Time for our bonus game.
Bonus game?
Morbid food crimes.
Ooh.
I don't know.
That's the theme song.
So what do you think?
Somebody cuts their steak with the side of a fork instead of a knife.
Minor offense or ban them from the kitchen forever.
Okay.
I'm giving them a questionable side eye because I appreciate the ingenuity of you know figuring it out.
But I'm like, are you well?
Wait, what is your feeling if somebody orders their steak like extra, extra well done?
Okay, so one thing about me is I want people to have the food experience that they want.
I love that.
And if somebody, like my mom likes her steak, well done, and I'm like we're at a restaurant paying you.
If it's some Michelin star beautiful course out thing where, like the chef, is putting a ton of intention into all the details and everything.
Obviously, it's not OK.
Mm hmm.
But if you go to like a steakhouse and want a fucking baked potato with a well-done steak, that is your prerogative.
Yes.
And you should not be judged.
I love that.
Yeah.
Alina feels so seen.
I really do.
I feel that so deeply.
I love that.
People are allowed to eat food how they want it.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
Let's go.
Your steak.
Hell yeah.
I'm side eyeing you, but Chip Riley is not.
Chip Riley isn't.
Yeah.
I love that.
Oh, all right.
The next one is someone insists their air fryer can cook anything.
Kitchen innovation or cult behavior?
The chef in me says choke on a chicken bone.
I feel caught.
But I will say like there is an energy conscious person in me who also hates cooking for myself.
So I can appreciate.
The quick little air fryer.
The quick little air fryer moment.
Sometimes you just have to roast a vegetable in the air fryer, so it doesn't take like 35 minutes in the oven.
Yep.
And also they're very energy conscious.
Yeah.
Which is nice.
Nice.
Me, I make my hard boiled eggs in the air fryer.
That is so insane.
No, it takes so much time.
I'm telling you, I found it out on TikTok.
So this is your fault.
You think I'm like a hard-boiled egg creator?
You take responsibility for all the TikTok.
TikTok, my bad, guys.
Sorry about the eggs.
Sorry about TikTok.
It works.
Just because it can work doesn't mean that you have to do it that way.
It works 100% of the time and I can't do it the other way.
Okay.
I will say I like hard-boiled eggs better, the old-fashioned way they taste exactly the same.
I just don't believe that they do.
Yeah, i feel like the air fryer ones are like rubbery, that's.
That's exactly how i feel.
I completely disagree.
But i like we're gonna whip out the air fryer, we're gonna let's try this competition.
Yeah, me and bobby play.
We're getting bobby play here.
We're like this is what we'd like to make air.
He's like you can't come on the show.
No, I like mine, like not.
I like mine like a medium.
Okay.
Jammy egg.
I love a jammy egg.
So it's perfect.
Okay.
There you go.
I'll die on myself.
You do you.
You're like, I believe that people deserve they like their food the way they do.
Except your rubber ass eggs.
You said stop doing that.
I draw a line.
I love it.
Okay, I might feel seen again or cut again.
Somebody reheats fish in the office microwave.
Immediate jail time.
Are you joking?
Okay.
You're walking the plank, you're covered in salmon skin and you're jumping into water full of sharks.
Here's the thing.
I agree with you.
Go die.
No, no, no.
I agree with you.
I have never.
Elena loves to say, like, you're that person in the office that really eats fish.
I have never reheated fish in this office.
But I bring in smelly food.
But it's the vibe.
She brings in smelly food and she heats it up.
And we're always like.
My smelly food that I heat up is like broccoli.
Okay.
Or like Brussels sprouts and onions.
I eat really good, okay?
But like does that need to be microwaved?
Yeah, I can't eat it cold.
I don't know.
I'm very self-conscious of that stuff.
I'm not.
Like on an airplane.
If somebody like whips out beef jerky or something, I'm like you don't care about anyone but yourself.
No.
Felony.
On an airplane, everything feels illegal.
I know.
Yeah.
Lawless.
It's true.
It's true.
It's lawless.
So immediate jail time.
Immediate jail time.
No, you're walking the plank.
Wow.
Pushing you off the plank.
It's true.
Wow.
Well, I've never reheated fish.
You always say that, but I don't.
I microwave my salmon.
It just feels like that was the next step in your evolution.
I wouldn't reheat fish in general.
That's gross.
I've been big into my meal prepping lately and I have salmon that I just cook and then I microwave it.
It's not my finest moment.
I was going to say, not good.
I've never microwaved salmon.
How long do you feel like salmon lasts?
I'm always really paranoid about salmon.
People's food paranoia is fascinating to me, because the thing I always tell people is like you will know when your food is bad.
Okay.
It'll smell.
It'll smell.
It'll be slimy.
It'll look different.
I'm super paranoid.
All of those things.
And also food lasts like way longer than people – you sound exactly like my grandpa right now.
It's true, it's all these like food protect, not all a lot of these food protections.
I know you guys are like grab the milk from the bat girlies, aren't you?
Yeah yeah, i remember, remember that about you.
So, like those labels of like the sell by date and stuff are not like for us, that's for their protection to be like the best buy, Because isn't there a difference between best buy and sell buy?
Maybe, but it's still, it's like.
It's mostly for them.
It's mostly for them for their protection.
Okay.
Is my like conspiracy theory.
I know.
Which is proved.
You told me recently eggs last so much longer.
Yeah, they last way longer than the carton says.
That I'm fine with.
And eggs don't need to be refrigerated.
I just found out.
Well, because when you think about it.
They do in the States.
Oh, Debbie says they do need to be refrigerated.
Eggs do need to be refrigerated in the States.
Is it farm fresh eggs?
Farm fresh eggs that have not been washed or anything should sit out.
Because they have a protective membrane on the outside.
But when they've been processed...
Yeah.
They get like big batch farm eggs that you're getting are washed, which is good for health and safety.
Things practices, but that's why we keep ours out or in the fridge.
I'm glad that I didn't buy that rooster where you could put all your eggs in it on TikTok shopping.
Oh shit.
Remember I told you I was going to buy that?
You did tell me that.
I was like, why was I about to buy that?
Yeah.
And I was like, I'm not really sure.
I have a problem when it comes to TikTok shopping.
It's weird, too, because we grew up in a house.
My dad was in the submarine service, so he was, like, in a submarine for months.
I think that's why we are the way we are.
But he was always like there would be like a chunk of mold on a piece of cheese and he would like cut it off.
And he was, like, we couldn't go anywhere in the sub.
We were just eating it.
And I was, like, we're not under the sea right now, though.
You're, like...
I could go to Shaw's and get a new thing of cheese.
Like, what the fuck?
I mean, me personally, I push stuff.
Like, I would be totally fine doing that.
If I'm cooking for other people, I'm not doing that.
But, like, when, like, food stuff for me, I'm like, Ryan and I butt heads about this because he...
He's gotten more lenient, but like he used to be like, oh, this was sell by today.
It's going in the garbage.
I'm like, no, don't waste it.
Yeah, it's true.
This is an interesting debate.
Yeah, it is.
I feel like people feel so differently about these things.
It's true.
They really do.
All right.
But we all feel the same.
Don't reheat fish in the office.
Yeah, don't do that.
Or broccoli.
And one that I think could start battles across space and time.
Pineapple on pizza.
You can have the keys to the city.
Not because I love the combo for me, but again, do you innovation?
Yeah, you do it.
I was literally born in hawaii.
I was meant for that.
Yeah, that's.
I don't like i've had it before.
I think it was debbie who actually had me try it first and i was like this isn't bad, Yeah.
But I was like, I don't think I'd order this.
I think also depending on what you pair it with.
So you got like the sweet tangy tart.
So like it goes well with like pepperoni or like a sausage or something that's like fatty and likes that.
Yeah.
Or if you put a little hot sauce on the top.
I love hot sauce.
Oh, jalapeno.
Some sliced holly, pineapple and like sausage.
Oh, yeah.
See?
I'm not going to order that, but also like proud of people who will do that in public.
Thank you so much.
Do what you want.
What about pickles on pizza?
No, thank you.
I thought we were so compatible.
I'm not.
There's something I hate about myself is I'm not a huge pickle girly.
Really?
I love pickles.
I like certain ones, but I'm not like.
Across the board pickles.
The only kind of pickles I don't like are the bread and butter kind.
See, I think those are the ones I do like.
Wait.
Uh oh.
Oh no.
There's the door.
Get out.
I like all pickles, I think.
I don't reach for the bread and butter ones, but I've had them on like a sandwich before and they...
I like a dill pickle and a Sammy.
All right.
Final question.
This one I think you might explode.
Using a chef's knife to cut open a package.
What is the appropriate kill sentence?
The eternity in the metal forge making knives for people is your payment.
That is diabolical.
It is really, especially if you like spend money on good knives.
Yeah, what are you doing?
What is your preferred knife?
I mean, it changes based on what I'm doing and then also like if it's just for home or what I'm recommending to people.
What do you recommend?
I like a good like for home cooks like a good German steel knife.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because those like hold their edge a little bit better than like a Japanese steel, which is a little thinner.
Okay.
Interesting.
That's good to know.
I don't know.
I forget what kind of knives I have.
I have a ton, but I just kind of rotate them through for whatever project I need.
That makes sense.
I like that.
This was so much fun.
This was such a hoot.
I love you guys so much.
Oh, my God.
I love you.
We need to come back on.
Oh, my God.
Literally whenever.
Like, truly.
We're having you back.
I think we decided what we were covering in the middle of that, but I forget already.
Last Meals.
Oh, Last Meals.
Last Meals.
The whole thing about Last Meals.
Oh, we have to.
Oh, we could do a deep dive on like Death Row people and what they ate.
Because there's some crazy Last Meals.
John Wayne Gacy's craziest.
Yeah.
Some of them are nuts.
Yeah, they're wild.
Yeah.
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