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Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers, and I'm Brett.
And Brett, get ready. Your head is going to freaking spin.
This is a case that has quite literally been keeping me up at night because it's about this woman who sets out one beautiful summer morning to hike her favorite trail up to her favorite mountain view.
And that hike was anything but ordinary.
And what happened on that mountain in 2007 remains a mystery to this very day.
This is the story of Barbara Bullock.
It's about one thirty in the afternoon on a Wednesday in July of 2007.
And Carl Bullock can't seem to match the concern of his cousin Donna, who was visiting him with her boyfriend Jim.
Now you see, Donna's all tied up in knots because Jim and Carl's wife Barbara left to go hiking a few hours ago, but they're still not back, which is making Donna anxious.
But Carl isn't worried.
He doesn't think there's anything to be worried about.
His wife is a seasoned hiker, and she'd taken Jim to her favorite spot nearby, which is Bear Creek Overlook Trail.
It's only like twenty miles away from their house in Corvallis, Montana.
And I mean, the whole thing is this like two and a half mile hike each way with this like grand overlook at the top that has a view of all the mountains.
It's super safe, super well marked.
So he was thinking like this is a pretty chill hike that even newbies could manage.
And what time did they leave that morning?
They left it like eight thirty or nine ish.
Okay, so it's been like four hours at this point?
Yeah, which took Carl is not that big of a deal.
But Donna has been on this since noon when it had only been like three hours.
So he's basically like, girl, you got a chill, they are fine, they're gonna be home.
Donna can't or won't chill.
I think maybe part of her like amped up concern is that she was supposed to be out on the hike with them.
Like Carl was never planning on going due to like a heart attack he had.
He couldn't go. But Donna had been planning to go.
Except when Barbara and Jim were like getting ready to leave that morning, Donna decided to stay back kind of last minute because she had a few too many the night before and she's paying for it now.
So though her hangover is now subsiding, a different bad feeling was growing inside her gut and she is all but panicking.
Still though Carl is not.
Again, even though Jim's from out of town and isn't familiar with that trail, like the worst thing he's thinking is like Jim's from out of town.
He doesn't know the trail even though he and Barbara were together.
So like maybe he's just taking them a little longer.
Absolute worst worst case scenario is maybe they got a flat tire on their way back home.
Okay, so why can't they just call them?
Well Barbara left her cell phone back at the house and I actually couldn't find any mention of Jim having a phone.
2007 he might have had one, might not have had one.
It was kind of like hit or miss back then.
Plus, if he even did have one, I'm not sure what the reception situation is up on the mountains or was back in 2007 anyway.
So who knows. All I know is that by the time 2.30 pm rolls around, Donna's concern finally starts to rub off on Carl.
Because even if Jim's in experience on this trail slowed them down, even if they got a flat tire, they should be home by now or at least be in touch.
And Donna keeps pushing.
She thinks that Carl needs to call someone and report Barbara and Jim missing.
And I'm sure there's still like a little part of Carl that's thinking she's overreacting.
Like again, nobody thinks bad things are actually happening.
Barbara and Jim are probably going to walk through the door any minute.
They're all going to joke about it and they're going to forget the whole thing by dinner.
And Donna keeps pressing him.
And as she's pressing him, the phone rings.
And honestly, I bet there was like this almost like instant of relief that Carl probably had thinking that Barbara and Jim finally figured out a way to get in touch.
But when Carl answers the phone, his heart drops a little.
He doesn't recognize the voice on the other end of the line.
And any relief he felt washes away when the caller identifies herself as a forced service officer.
The first thing this officer asks is if his wife's name is Barbara.
And then the next thing the officer says sends chills down his spine.
Barbara's been reported missing.
Carl immediately jumps in his car to drive to the trailhead.
According to reporting by Perry Backus in the independent record, which provided us a lot of information for this case.
Even now, as he's racing toward the bitter root mountains, he is fully expecting Barbara to just be there when he arrives.
But I'm confused just Barbara is missing it.
Where's Jim? But I think everyone is confused at this point.
Because when Carl gets there, there is still no Barbara.
But to your point, Jim, he's there.
He's fine. And before long, the scene is warming with, I mean, everyone, investigators, officers from the forced service and first responders who head into the forest to start their search for her.
OK, wait, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm still confused.
So was it Jim who reported her missing then?
Yeah, so they get the full story from him while the search for Barbara is underway.
And the story that he tells about what happened on that trail is just strange.
Starting from when he and Barbara drove up to the trailhead that morning.
So he says that the road leading up to where they were going to park was blocked off for construction, even though there wasn't a crew there yet.
So they parked a bit down the road, but made it to the trailhead, then they hiked up the trail.
They made it all the way to that overlook like no problem.
And then once they were up there, they sat down to have a snack.
They enjoyed the view for maybe like 30 or 40 minutes.
And when they were ready to head back down the trail, Barbara took the lead.
Again, she's the one that knows this so well.
Now, when Jim's telling the story, he says he thinks she was like 20, 30 feet ahead of him.
When all of a sudden he decided to stop for a second, just to kind of turn around, and appreciate the view for one final time.
And he estimates that he spent, not less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds, maybe a minute looking back at the overlook, just soaking it all in.
And this is it. It's this window, this 45 second, one minute window where everything goes wrong, everything gets weird.
Because when he turned back around, Barbara was just gone.
Now, what? Yeah, he says he didn't panic at first.
He just assumed that she hadn't realized that he'd stopped.
She must have just kept descending down the trail, so he did the same thing, thinking she'd be waiting for him down near the construction site.
But when he made it down, she wasn't there.
Now, by then, there was a crew from the Forest Service working at this site, so he walked over to them and was like, hey, have you seen a woman pass by here?
She's petite, athletic, 55 years old.
But they're like, nope, nobody like that's been by here.
So one of the guys even offered to walk with Jim to his car, like, just in case, thinking that Barbara's going to be waiting for him there.
But you know, again, no one is still panicking.
They're like, okay, we're working.
Maybe we just didn't see her.
So one of the guys even offers to walk with Jim, like, down to his car, thinking that Barbara is going to be there waiting.
But when they get down there, still, no luck, no Barbara.
So without really knowing what else to do, Jim decided to hike back up the trail to look for her.
And I think this is when the panic starts to set in for Jim.
Because Bear Creek overlook trail isn't one that you just get lost on.
The Rebelli County Sheriff later explains in an article for the Mizzoulin that quote, the trail to the overlook isn't a place where a person might take a wrong turn and get lost.
It's a fairly confined area.
The trail goes up to an overlook.
It's an up and back deal.
End quote. Did he hear anything when he was looking back at the overlook?
Like, could she have fallen somewhere?
No, that's what's so bizarre.
He hadn't heard anything.
Like, no fall, no shuffle, no scream.
And while there is a cliff along one side of the trail, the thing is, Barbara is afraid to height.
So she's not going to be like walking up to that and being reckless.
And she's not like on the edge.
No. And even if for some reason she was and she took a tumble or something, he would have heard that, right?
What do you think? So what he does, he walks back up to the overlook.
The whole time he's like calling out her name, blowing on his safety whistle, trying to do anything to get Barbara's attention.
And to get back up there, it took him like an hour and a half for like the whole trip up there and back down again.
Whole time he doesn't see her.
He doesn't see anything that stands out.
And when he came to the end of the trail for a second time, that's when he's in a full on panic because Barbara was just straight up gone.
So he approached the Forest Service crew again.
And that's when Barbara was reported missing.
Was there anybody else on the trail with them when they were out there?
So it wasn't like a super busy trail or at least at that time because the only story that I have found in the research is this one that Jim tells about these two guys who were hiking the trail at the same time too.
And I guess they had some kind of like brief interaction with them when Jim and Barbara were taking that breather at the overlook area.
But it wasn't anything weird or ominous, just like super casual.
Hi, how are you kind of exchange and then the men left like they were sitting down when they came.
They had this exchange.
They're still sitting down like hanging out Barbara and Jim and then these guys like leave.
Nothing strange. Okay.
This is going to sound farfetched.
But what about the wild life out there?
I mean, what are the odds that she was maybe attacked by some kind of animal in this area?
Well, I mean, there are like the occasional mountain lion or bear.
Carl had actually even given Barbara a gun a while ago just for that scenario.
Not that it would have helped because she like kept it at the bottom of her bag.
It's actually something that was kind of like a running joke between them.
Like it's practically useless.
Like again, if you're getting attacked by a bear, you're going to like dig and dig.
Like by the time you get to it, you're toast.
Okay. But I guess in that situation, I mean, let's say she gets attacked by a mountain lion or whatever doesn't find her gun in time.
I mean, I feel like there would still at least be signs of an attack though, right?
Totally. Sorry. And like that's where I was going with this.
But like, yes, there's bears.
There's all this wild life.
Like they were even anticipating it because she has this gun.
But to your point, like, okay, there would have been screams for sure.
There would have been blood.
Like that kind of thing isn't happening without making a trace.
Like you know what I'm saying?
Yeah. So investigators like right away are kind of at a loss.
The best thing that they can do is find and talk to anyone who would have been on or around that trail when Barbara was starting with the Forest Service crew that was there at the construction site.
According to that reporting by Perry Back is they explain that when they arrived that morning, which was sometime after maybe like 930 or 10, there had been two cars parked nearby.
And now we know one was gyms.
And the other car was this older SUV.
It was light colored. It might have been like a Chevy Blazer, they're not really sure, but it did have a Missoula County license plate.
So the crew says they get there, they get to work, and eventually a couple of guys who are maybe in their early 20s come walking down from the road that leads up to the trailhead.
And they said it was just the two of them and a dog.
So these are the same guys that Jinn and Barbara saw then.
Probably everything I've seen from the research makes it sound like law enforcement things that these are the same guys.
And the description that the crew gave kind of generally matches what Jinn provided, but honestly both are super generic.
Like Perry Back is described them as quote, well-tanned, average fit young guys.
So cool. Yeah, exactly.
But anyways, these guys come down through the construction site acting completely normal.
Again, they're not like lugging a bag that could have a woman inside.
They're not dragging something behind them.
It's just the two of them and they're dog.
The crew says that they stopped and made small talk with the forest crew and they let their dog play like in this nearby creek.
And even though they didn't see them with any of the cars, the crew kind of just assumed that these guys had to be in one of the two cars, right?
And like we know one was Jim.
So police are assuming that this other car belonged to these two guys.
Right, but we don't actually know that though, right?
Again, nothing explicitly says that.
But based on everything that law enforcement has put out, it seems like law enforcement is confident that this second car was their car.
Okay. And I don't know if that's just because there weren't many other people in the trail that day.
I mean, truly they might have been the only people in the trail that day other than Barbara and Jim.
I don't know. So they're letting the dog play.
They're kind of making small talk.
They don't stick around for long.
And then the forest service crew just kind of gets back to work.
And then they say it was like 45 minutes later before another hiker who we know to be Jim comes walking down the blocked off road and asked if they had seen a woman matching Barbara's description.
Now, their story matches his that after they say no, he walks back up the trail eventually comes back down an hour and a half later and said that he needed to report Barbara missing.
Now unless police can find these two other hikers, they're out of potential witnesses to interview.
So everyone's attention turns to the search for Barbara, which is now in full swing.
According to reporting by Jessica mayor and the Missoula independent by 5 p.m.
law enforcement is conducting a full scale ground search.
And over the next 48 hours, they even call in helicopters and search dogs from the nearby bigger cities to help, but they find nothing.
There is no sign of an injury, no abandoned day pack, no torn clothing, no sign of a fall, no sign of a struggle, not with a person and not with an animal.
What I can tell, even the search dogs don't pick up any scent or if they do, it's never been reported on.
So what if she never even made it there, Ashley?
I think that's a good question.
One that I know investigators even started asking themselves because really when they think about it, they only have Jim placing her on that trail right now and they're not necessarily ready to just take him at his word when the circumstances are so stinkin' strange.
The only way that they can know if he is on the up and up is if they can find those men who supposedly would have seen and talked to Barbara.
But how do you find them if no one knows who those young men are?
Now to be clear, police don't think that these young men were involved in Barbara's disappearance.
After all, the Forest Service crew estimated that they came back down a full 45 minutes before Jim did and there was nothing suspicious about their behavior.
But as Perry Johnson, the lead investigator for Barbara's case for the Ravalli County Sheriff's Office repeatedly says in the days and weeks following Barbara's disappearance, the men would at least be able to confirm the fact that Barbara had made it to the trail at all.
And they don't exactly hide the fact that they're not totally convinced that she did.
Officer Johnson says that to him, the men are the quote unquote key to this case because if she was never there, then there are some tough questions Jim has to answer.
Okay, but what mode of does Jim have to do anything to her?
I mean, he's what? Her husband's cousin's boyfriend.
I mean, I don't even know if I know the names of those people in my life.
So, do they even really know each other before Jim and Ghana's visit?
You know, I'm not sure if they did or if they didn't.
Jim sources call him like a family friend, but that could have just been shorthand for like a to your point husband's cousin's boyfriend, you know?
So, whether they did or did not, though, no one is claiming that Jim's got any beef with Barbara or even any reason to hurt her.
But I mean, we know not every crime is premeditated.
And I mean, we know more than anything that people don't always have a logical explanation for doing terrible things.
So I mean, again, it's something you have to look at.
Like if he did do something, if you hurt her, if he's lying or whatever, there might not be a reason.
Oh, okay, but here's the problem I have with that.
He's not familiar with this area, right?
He's visiting. Barbara was taking him to a place that she was familiar with.
I feel like even when it's a lot completely illogical, most people choose to kill people in areas that they're familiar with.
True. I know that he wasn't even supposed to be out there with her alone in the first place.
I mean, Donna was supposed to be with them that morning.
It was there and just doesn't really add up to me.
I mean, I agree, but that's the problem with this case, Brett.
No theory adds up. You cannot tell me a theory that makes sense with what we know right now if we're taking everything as fact.
And that's why we're just missing something.
So while they don't call Jim a suspect over these first few days, they do consider him a person of interest.
Again, not necessarily because there's any evidence that points to him being the culprit, but because there just isn't anyone else.
Yeah. Now, this whole while, they keep trying to find those two men and they keep searching for Barbara.
And the search for her right now is massive.
I mean, there are numerous agencies that have pitched in and gotten involved, including the Ravalli County Sheriff's Office, the National Guard, the Department of Homeland Security, the U.S.
Forest Service, and the search and rescue teams from both Missoula and Ravalli County.
And that's not even saying anything of the volunteers.
Like the Bullics friends, they have neighbors come out relatives, as well as just like random civilians who want to help.
All of them come on their own time to conduct their own unofficial searches, which is like heart-welming and honestly like overwhelming to Carl because he just like is so grateful to these people who he knows and doesn't know who are trying to help him.
He actually publishes a letter to the editor of the Ravalli Republic just to express his appreciation.
So these searches keep happening and over the next few weeks there are more, more searches, more helicopters, even ones equipped with infrared camera so they can conduct aerial searches at night.
But Brit, they find nothing.
It is like she evaporated into thin air.
And ground searches are eventually called off a few weeks later.
Authorities are just as confused as ever.
And without any other evidence to support the theory that Jim did something to Barbara, either on the mountain or before they got there, Ravalli County Sheriff Chris Hoffman states in reporting by Jessica Mayer that they've basically ruled him out.
And they still haven't found the two other hikers?
No, so that's the thing.
This is like again something I can't get over.
Those guys never come forward.
Like to this very day have not come forward.
No one knows who they are.
Again, even though detectives are like, listen, we don't consider them suspects.
We don't even consider them persons of interest.
Which to me is like too strange.
Why wouldn't you come forward?
Well, and thinking through this, what could they have been able to do to Barbara without her making a peep without leaving any trace of her behind?
I mean, the sheriff even said this trail is like an up and back deal.
It's pretty clear they didn't bring her back down with them.
They even chatted with that construction crew on their way out.
And surely all those searches would have turned up something, some trace of her, even just her scent if she was somewhere on that mountain.
Well, yeah, but you would like you would think though.
I mean, they would have literally had to like pull her off, do something to her, leave her there, and then get back down because they're down 45 minutes before Jim comes down.
The time line is even tight.
And they don't cry it. Yeah, they don't find her.
Like, I mean, when I look at something like this, I always have like the Israel keys of the world living in the back of my head now.
Not necessarily him, but right?
Like, he's not the only one who's operating like that.
We just don't know about the other ones yet.
But what we're talking about is like, where the hell would someone even take her?
And I don't know if like maybe if I knew the area more, if it would make more sense, maybe there are places to go off the trail, but it just seems so.
It seems so risky. Yeah.
I mean, Jim turned around for a minute and you couldn't like plan that he was going to do that.
Even turn around. I mean, it's literally somebody sitting in wait who hoping that they would have maybe an opportunity at some point that day with someone.
And then and you just like scoop her up and whisk her off where?
How? Well, and in all these years, I mean, have they put anyone else on the mountain at the same time?
No. Like, Carl couldn't have snuck away and done something or Donna literally anyone else in her life?
No, so they're they haven't placed anyone else on that mountain, but like, there has to be right.
I don't know, but they haven't placed anyone else.
They pretty much rule out Carl because we know right, like Carl and Donna were together, like they're each other's alibi at home.
Jim would definitely recognize Carl.
Like if Carl did something like, I mean, it had to, it would have been like the worst plan in like the history of plans that he got the luckiest in the history of luck kind of thing.
It doesn't make sense. There's no way it happened.
It's a total no go. Plus, Carl is absolutely devastated by his wife going missing.
Okay. But then who or I mean, what at this point does that leave?
She walked away the earth swallowed her up.
Aliens? I mean, there's weird option.
D like this one source was like, Oh, what if there's like this mountain man, which I think is what I was maybe thinking when I was like, Oh, there's some dude just like sitting and waiting.
Okay. I don't know. What a mountain man.
Yeah, I don't. Again, I think people are grasping at straws.
I don't know what they mean by mountain man.
I'm assuming again, it refers to somebody who's like very off the grid, like lives in the mountains.
Again, maybe would know it better than anyone so he could take her somewhere.
Okay, but they searched high and low even with infrared.
I mean, I feel like they would have found the mountain man if he existed.
Right. I know. I like. And again, there's nothing that's ever been out there that like provides evidence of said mountain man.
Like, what, but there's just nothing else.
Okay. And again, I don't even think mountain man is her walking away from her life like actually a valid option then.
I mean, so some people have theorized that like maybe she just decided to start a new life somewhere else as someone else.
But like every other theory, to me, there are these massive holes like for one, all she had on her was her day pack and the clothes that she's wearing, no ID, no passport, no money.
Like as far as Carl says, life's going great for Barbara and the whole Bullock family.
She's like, even learning to fly a plane.
Now you could get really conspiratorial to be like, oh, she left and she was learning to fly.
So she could fly out of the country.
But like that is some like wild, like tiger king, carol basket some deep.
Yeah, exactly. She also like, I mean, she had these new hobbies like she was taking up skiing.
She loved to travel. They had this like cruise plan that was like all booked and ready to go for the fall.
And again, okay. So say, say we're going like wild conspiracy, whatever.
That's why she's learning to fly.
She definitely wanted to start new life.
It doesn't matter that she had a cruise book.
Like we have the same issue that every other theory has.
Was it just like the logistics of it all?
How does she get herself off that mountain?
Like we know she doesn't come back down via the trail.
How would she be able to do it without leaving a trace behind and in under a minute with her hiking companion like 20 or 30 feet away?
And reminder, she was supposed to have two hiking companions that day.
Right. I mean, obviously you said she was an avid hiker, pretty physically fit.
And this was like a really familiar favorite trail of hers.
I mean, maybe she could have walked off the trail and made her way down some other way.
But it still just seems like so much chance.
Wouldn't like even if she that wouldn't searchers have found some trace of her.
Actually, I am grasping at straws too.
I don't know. I don't either.
And like, even when this theory's brought up, Carl is adamant.
Like this is something she would not do.
She's not going to walk away.
She's going to do this to him, not to her family, not to her beloved pets.
So that's it. I mean, Barbara just poof evaporated on the mountain.
And no one's ever found out how or why.
I mean, that's it. There was like this tiny brief moment of hope in 2010 when some mushroom pickers came across skeletal remains.
But authority is concluded pretty quickly that the remains likely belong to a male.
And I mean, from what I found, although they do their best to determine who he is, as far as I can tell, his identity has actually never been determined.
And so Barbara's case is still a mystery to this day.
In a 2014 interview in the Missoula Independent, Ravalli County Sheriff Chris Hoffman said that not a week goes by that he doesn't think of Barbara Bullock.
He explained that investigators hadn't ruled out any scenarios.
But he did make special note of the wildness and vastness of this area, making this kind of like little pinching gesture with his hand, saying, if you don't feel about that big in that country, you're not seeing it from what it is.
So maybe every theory is possible.
Maybe she's still out there.
I mean, I again, I said it early on like I, maybe the piece I'm missing is the vastness of this land, like right when he's saying this, I don't think I'm understanding.
Or I'm underestimating this place, right?
Like maybe anything is possible.
So if you were ever out on the trails crime junkies, do not let beauty low you into security.
Always be vigilant because anything can happen at any time.
If you know anything about the disappearance of Barbara Bullock, call the Ravalli County Sheriff's office at 406-375-4060.
And if somehow this message reaches those two other male hikers, what you have to say is still so vitally important.
Please contact the Sheriff's office.
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