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Good morning.
This is Laura.
Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast.
Today's episode is going to be a longer one part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us.
So today I am delighted to welcome Lewis Hatchett to Before Breakfast.
Lewis is the host of the MindStrong podcast.
He's also a coach who works with people on time management, productivity, and their mindset.
And he is a former professional cricket player as well.
So Lewis, welcome to the show.
Thanks, Laura.
Good to be on your show.
You've just been on mine.
Exactly.
It was great that we were able to swap like this.
Yes, a good exchange for sure.
So why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
Yeah, so right now I am a mindset coach that works predominantly in the sports space.
Just naturally.
It's been easy for me because that is the world I came from as a professional athlete.
My own personal background in sport is a slightly unique one.
I won't go into sort of a 40-minute keynote, but ultimately I was born with a rare condition called Poland syndrome, so I'm missing my right pectoral muscle, two ribs that are behind it.
I was told at birth that I wouldn't be able to play sport.
I hid that from the world and then overcame it to play a sport where actually, if I was to be hit by a cricket ball, many people if your listeners are from the US or Canada specifically cricket is the second largest sport in the world, so there's that fact.
But also it's kind of like baseball.
The ball moves around at 90 mile an hour.
It's much more solid than it's a little bit more solid than a baseball.
So if you get hit you break bones and things like that.
So but if I was to get hit with it it would potentially kill me.
So I hid that from the world and I managed to make my way into being a pro athlete by what I would just say, not through talent, not through skill.
Well, there was skill at the end, but basically mindset was my ability to mentally overcome some of the challenges and just stay persistent and stay in the game.
Essentially,
And then I always say that professional sport is kind of like who's the last person hanging on.
And then if you're left at the end, then you get a chance.
And then I unfortunately did get a career-ending injury.
I broke my back and then I had to come out of the sport at 26.
And I then moved into coaching naturally.
But that coaching then started to mold itself towards a much more mentoring space when athletes found out about my condition and my story.
They wanted to ask, how do I build confidence?
How do I overcome failure?
How do I deal with pressure moments?
That led me into my interest in the psychology space, doing my master's in performance psychology, and then eventually built a brand called called Mindstrong Sport, which I actually developed into an app that teaches mental skills to athletes in the comfort of their own home.
And yeah, most of my work is trying to make people mentally stronger to take on the challenges that they face in the world.
So that really is my very quick synopsis of where I'm from, what I'm about.
Yeah.
Well, I know some of my international listeners are more familiar with cricket probably, than my US listeners.
But just real quick, because from what I understand of cricket, having both pectoral muscles would probably be helpful.
Would be a benefit.
Yeah.
So, actually, give you an insight into that.
So, the only thing that protects my lung or my upper right portion of my chest is just skin.
So, unfortunately, as a batter, I was left-handed.
So, I'm facing the bowler, which means it's the most vulnerable side.
But I was given and had built for me a Kevlar chest guard.
So it's completely one of a kind.
It's only designed to my chest and it's bulletproof.
So it won't just stop a cricket ball, it'll stop a bullet.
But the only other things that it doesn't help with is sort of mechanics.
So I can't get my right arm above my head as easy as I can on my left.
I get very regular... muscle spasms in my right shoulder.
I'm coming off the back of one now.
So I kind of get knocked down for a couple of days.
Well, I just become a bit more incapacitated in terms of movement.
I get regular headaches because of just the overactive muscles that are compensating for a very large muscle not being there.
So yes, a lot of management.
I'm trying to tame all that down and look after my body.
And yeah, I throw myself into that ringer.
Like I don't make I don't make it easy for myself.
I'm in the gym every day.
I'm constantly pushing my body.
So it's it's I'm willing to take that hit for the things I want to get out of life.
Well, let's talk a little bit about the mindset things that you had to do then, because obviously, if you're starting from a bit of a physical disadvantage, in terms of even just your musculature and how your body is built, how does one do that sort of day in, day out?
Like I'm going to keep working on this.
I'm curious if there are particular mental processes you found helpful.
Yeah.
Well, weirdly enough, the thing that I didn't really think about at the time was things like that.
So I I'm not sitting there going like we do now in the world where I'm like right, if I get a, if I can have these seven hacks that allow me to unlock.
I wasn't rethinking that.
The thing that I weirdly and I just spoke to someone about this recently was how do how, how am I going to build self-belief in myself if everything is kind of against me?
And the number one thing I could choose at the time, especially now, knowing the psychology, the strongest way you can build that self-belief is through past experience.
But as a teenage guy, I didn't have those experiences to hold on to.
And they weren't really relevant in the sort of realm I was going into.
You're not going to build self-belief in a professional environment if all you've done is play high school sport right?
But one thing I did do was I became an absolute geek at, other people's stories.
So I loved stories of other athletes, especially those who were similar to me or done something similar to me, or at least had a condition and had an underdog story.
So if I knew they had an underdog story, then I latched onto that and I was like, what did they do?
How did they do it?
What were some of the things that I could use there?
And then I would just take all these stories and find the similarities and be like do you know what?
If they have done it, then I believe, if I kind of follow the ways in which they've done it, than I can too.
And a lot of the approach that I now look back on and I realized that I wasn't whether I was unique in this way, but when I was trying to get my goal of what I was trying to achieve as a professional athlete, I wasn't actually focused on getting that goal.
I wanted it.
It was this North Star in terms of that's where I believe I can get to.
But actually the thing I was focused on so much more was what's the type of person I need to be in order to get that.
So my things that I did was how can I?
I was building values, especially when I watched these athletes through the stories that they were telling, or it might've been a very inspiring film or story.
And I thought, what are the traits and characteristics that I can take on from those people?
And if I aim at that, then it looks like by just numbers game that there's positive outcomes that are going to come from that.
So I didn't really sort of go out there and go, this is the thing that I'm going to hold on to.
And I want to, these are the steps.
I actually just focused on the person I was going to be type of character.
I wanted to be what those behaviors were.
So if I then was- Well, give me an example.
What is an example of a behavior thing?
I would say like being, I'd say this like never giving up or being persistent.
And the way I would manifest that would be or choosing to do things when, even when, the environment was tough right.
So still persisting when the environment was tough.
And the way that would manifest would be, I live in the UK, our winters are not favorable.
We get rain, we get snow, it's cold.
So if I knew I had to go to a training session and it's nice and warm inside and it's cozy I had already said that I am not someone who is going to.
I'm willing to do things in tough environments.
I'm willing to do something difficult.
And so that would make the decision of whether I put my trainers on really easy, because I'm not breaking this habit that I've got in front of me.
I'm actually breaking something much deeper.
I'm breaking a bond with myself of the person that I'm wanting to be.
And for me there's this underlying belief for myself is, if I break my bond with myself, then I almost can't live with myself, because I'm not the person that I believe I am.
And almost like I couldn't live with that.
I couldn't live with not being true to the person that I am.
And if it's some form of action that aligns with that person I want to be and I break it.
It's just something I can't live with.
So I've made those promises to myself.
And through those you get the habits, you get the things that kind of get you to where you want to be.
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Well, I am back talking with Lewis Hatchett, who is the host of the MindStrong podcast.
He has been talking about his professional cricket career, despite having a disability that in many cases might make it challenging to play cricket, let alone on the professional level achieving that.
But Lewis, Lewis, let's talk about this because I wanna get into sort of coming out of that.
I mean, obviously we can have a very strong mindset, train very well, achieve the highest levels, but being a professional athlete, you know that your career is going to end, and it is going to end far earlier than those of us who do most other things.
I mean, you can work in a bank for your entire life, but at some point you're gonna be off the cricket field.
And so I wonder what you were thinking, knowing you wanted to hit the highest levels of that, but knowing you're going to have to, at a relatively early age, find something else to do as well.
I'm curious how you were thinking about that in the process of that transition.
Yeah well again, I think if you were to survey a lot of athletes, how many of them actually think about it comparative, all of them know it, you all know it, but how much you think about it is a different thing, right?
But for me, I think, because of my condition, because of how I got into sport it was at my parents' age, potentially got it into me early as well.
They they always would say what are you going to do when it ends?
What's going to happen?
Now there's two things right when when you, you want to have an eye on that, but also when you're playing the sport, you want to be all in.
When you're in it, you want to be all in.
But for me I also got.
It kind of goes back to what I said earlier, which was that I believed that if I could have traits that I knew would be successful outside of sports and not siloed to just sport and valued those as well so not value what it is that I was doing, but potentially how I was doing it that I could trust that I could learn anything outside of it.
So we can all learn skills, we can all learn new things, but the things that especially you see this in the corporate world right now that people are really latching onto is the people, is how they do things, how they show up, how they're doing.
What they're doing not necessarily what they do yeah, that's great, but how they do it that's something that can make you unique.
So I've really focused on those.
And then luckily, pre-cricket career, my parents got me into working pretty early.
So I was like a 14-year-old working in kitchens and working in fish factories before I turned pro.
And then when I came out, I'd had experiences outside of the sport.
Now I work for myself, but I went and worked for my brother.
He works in a.
You find that there are things that you can use in terms of not what's but how's, and they can be really, really effective for you being able to transition from one thing to another.
So I'd like to talk a little bit about some of the mindsets that you help people develop, right?
So if I come to you and I'm saying, you know Lewis, I would like some help becoming sort of more effective at what I'm doing,
What are some of the practical things that you would have me doing differently in my life first thing even just using the word effective i would probably ask what is effective right what what will make you affect when have you been effective and what is what does that kind of look like is it is it uh is it removing a fear of failure is is your barrier to being effective fear of failure is it more confidence is it self-belief is it state of anxiety that you find yourself in?
Do you struggle performing under pressure moments when it is that you need them?
If it's in a sporting space, it might be in a big game.
If it's in a corporate space, it might be when you have to give a presentation and you have to get up and speak.
That could be the clutch moment that you need to perform.
So I would really try to drill down on where you feel there's a big block that you've got going on in terms of how you want to be effective.
What is the the best version of you look like, and really start there.
What's the best version of you that we've got?
How do you start there and build a framework of when you have performed well?
Because we're humans.
We look at all of the negative biases in our lives.
We look at all the times where I've failed and I hope this doesn't happen again and completely discount all of the good things that have happened in our lives.
So we have to remember, what are we so good at?
What are we awesome at?
And I choose that from not only the literature, but I choose that from actually my experience, my experience with my condition.
I could sit there and go oh, my condition doesn't allow me to do X Y, Z.
But my optimistic view is I have all of this other stuff to my disposal and this can make me effective and I can do some awesome things here.
So, like first off, my big thing with people is what are your strengths and how do we make them super strengths?
How do we make them things that you become really well known for?
And kind of mixed within that.
I really love trying to help people find what makes them unique, And I mean this or like super simple things.
For me, one of the most unique things I could find about myself at a certain time was I was left-handed.
And I was like, that is unique to me.
That's unique.
And then, if I couldn't figure that out, I was like I'm from a state school or I'm from a country village.
I would find these things that I could then latch onto and make a little story about them.
That would make them unique.
And that would pump my tires up.
That would make me feel good.
That would give me... something that I could go into something with confidence.
And I believe that would then make you more effective, right?
Because if you're confident, if you're in control of what you're doing.
But that would be it, like starting off with trying to get people confident in themselves before sort of knowing where it is that they want to go.
Well and I hear you saying this, but I think you're probably working with people who are already putting in a ton of time into the skill development process, as it is that it's the mindset.
That's sort of a distinguishing factor then, right.
So if everybody's doing the four hours in the gym, right?
And if everyone at the top level is doing that anyway, then it's the person who has the better stories they're telling themselves that is able to distinguish themselves.
Is that what I'm hearing?
Yeah, you go to any professional sport that take tennis.
But, like I'm in the world of tennis a bit and you take the top 100 tennis players, especially in the men's game and probably even more so in the women's game.
Actually you take those players.
There's not a massive amount of difference between all those 100 players.
Men, Alcaraz and Sinner, they're outliers at the moment.
But the majority of, say, the women's game, there is not much difference between a lot of them.
And so the big differentiator is how they deal with it mentally, emotionally, around it.
You take every other sport...
And I always find this quite fascinating.
In American sports, for example, when you see a player move up from say, college football to the NFL and into the pro leagues, how they deal with that transition, because they've no longer become an outlier player in a national league.
They've now become sort of maybe middle rung, maybe even bottom rung in another national league.
And it's just another level.
And they realize, oh my God, everyone is good.
Everyone has got the skills.
Everyone's got the ability.
So what is your differentiator, deferencing factor there?
What is this sort of un, unseeable skill that you potentially have that people can go?
Yeah, they've got that and that is going to make them them different, and you think about it.
A lot of the players that either i come up against or i've seen happen in the world, and some of the best performers that you think of, i bet you, if you think about people who are really excellent in their fields and you were to describe them, the first things that you would start to describe are are more characteristic traits, more mindset sort of traits that they might have, the way they go about what they do, rather than how it is that they do what they do, or the skills that they actually oh, they've got this amazing shot.
Or if it's like Steve Jobs, he has a great presentation or whatever it is, right?
Like it's more, no, these people are ruthless.
These people are really confident in themselves.
These people are, they're willing to get knocked down and get back up again, right?
It's the mindset that differentiates those people.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I just find that fascinating, especially like watching the Olympics a year ago.
I remember that like the men's 100 meter dash.
Everybody in the final is like in the photo right across the line.
I mean, there's no difference between any of these athletes in terms of what speeds they can run at.
Right.
Like they're all within hundreds of thousands of a second of each other.
So, yeah, what what makes somebody win is probably something else.
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Mindset how we become distinguished from people who all have about the same level of skills and talents.
I want to pivot a little bit, though, and talk about your current schedule.
So we always like to hear about people's daily routines.
I wonder if you have any routines that you think help make you more productive these days.
I 100% hang everything around my physical training.
Now, that's probably down to being an athlete.
But I do have this huge underpinning that if I'm not physically well, if I don't feel physically good about myself, then I'm not going to be able to be effective in anything that I do.
And I say that for kind of two reasons.
One, I know physiologically I need to be in good health to be able to maintain a good schedule.
But also there's an element of when I'm physically well and in good shape, I just present myself better and I show up better, whether it's in front of people or for myself.
I kind of carry a confidence in myself that I feel better, so much more able and capable of taking things on, so that for me, actually gives me the confidence to then take on the work that I have, whether what it is in the day.
My schedule can be quite chaotic sometimes because I do have, whether it's a client that might need something quite quickly, they might have a game or a tournament that's coming up, or they they need a bit more of my time.
So I tend to I maybe need to change this, but I don't actually block them out of my schedule because I want to be available for them.
The one thing I would hate to have is this player of mine or client of mine that's in need and they can't get me right.
So I have actually blocked out my mornings.
So they can't get me before 12 o'clock.
They definitely can't do that.
So that gives me a little bit of time to get into the day.
But I definitely focus a lot of my time around like where is my physical training going that day?
If I need to move it, I'll move it, but it's not coming out of the schedule.
And then everything in terms of how I build my work and my client base, or even just marketing.
I kind of chunk them up into certain parts of the day, try to get a lot of the.
I weirdly send a lot of creativity stuff towards the end of the week.
I found that because I'm not trying to.
If I'm trying to get a hold of new clients or trying to get a hold of maybe a new opportunity that's out there, I tend to attack sort of a Tuesday and a Wednesday.
But if it's creative, I leave that stuff towards the back end of the week because I find it's a bit more fun.
And I feel when you're leaning into say, a weekend day, you kind of feel that fun vibe coming into your life.
And you're like, oh, the weekend's coming, so I could do something a little bit more creative today.
Whereas a Monday.
I'm not too creative on a Monday because Mondays just come with a name and stigma attached to them.
So Mondays are for business, all getting down to what you're supposed to be doing.
And then by Fridays, then they're dreaming up a few possibilities by then.
Monday's definitely for planning and sort of strategizing how the – well, Monday morning.
But then I'm always a big believer.
I heard this quote before.
Was it never – oh, my God.
It was crush your average Tuesday.
So Tuesday's the one to go for.
And I kind of like that because then I've kind of got the –
I've got the energy in Tuesday, right?
So yeah, low-hanging fruits on a Monday and then start crushing it Tuesday.
I'm a big fan of making Tuesdays as good as possible, for sure.
Lewis, I ask all my guests what is something you have done recently to take a day from great to awesome?
What have I done recently to take a day from great to awesome?
I...
I actually and this sounds like so trivial, but I started writing down the tasks.
That gave me real friction.
So the ones that I really hated and the ones that I kept moving and sort of even put alongside it the reasons why I didn't want to do them.
And I just started attacking those straight away.
They become really...
And I'd heard I can't remember the entrepreneur that spoke about it, but spoke about Steve Jobs having noise and signal.
And he lived his life in noise and signal.
And I recognized that the things that I was spending more time on was noise and the signal.
There were definitely signal things that I was moving down that list.
And I started pushing them towards the top of the list.
So like three things, like three signals that I needed to definitely do.
Even if I didn't know what the outcome was going to be, but if I could get them done and get them done and, for example, one was one was my dissertation writing.
I was writing a dissertation and that I was moving.
I kept finding reasons to move it, but then once I just said, do you know what?
Get it done.
And also attributed the, the feeling with it.
So I have I've been doing a bit of psychotherapy as well and I was starting to definitely attribute the emotional feeling to getting something done and so bringing that that thing up the list and then a associating a positive emotion that came with it.
That definitely made.
Well, whether i see the difference in the results is neither here nor there, but i feel the result in myself right, because i feel better.
Absolutely, it feels good to get things done, and particularly things that we may not have wanted to do but uh, when they're, when they're done and they're off the list it's, it's great.
What's something you are looking forward to right now?
Oh um, have a couple of opportunities on the horizon which I am really looking forward to, which I can't really say yet because they haven't actualized, but working with a really exciting athlete.
But one one thing potentially is moving to Barcelona.
That's on the horizon, which I would be really excited about, and then that would and getting my my app mind strong sport into more funny enough American colleges and So we just partnered with University of Colorado and getting into more universities and colleges, something I am genuinely really excited about expanding that, because I'm very, very passionate about improving the mental health of whether it's athletes and people that are in sport, because I personally have an ethos that we've spoken a lot about mental health in our lives.
We've actually maybe focused on the wrong thing and trying to protect our mental health.
We've actually protected ourselves too much from the challenges in the world.
And actually if we can build mental strength in what we're doing and have the skills and the tools to help us take on challenges, then actually by doing that the byproduct is positive mental health, because we feel better about ourselves.
And the reason I approach sport is because I believe sport is an exaggeration of everyday life events.
And we can teach a lot of personal skills outside of sport.
Whether people play high school college, professional sport, it doesn't matter.
Once they leave that sport do they have skills and tools that they can transition and use.
That makes them not only great at what they do in the disciplines that they're going into, but actually just great human beings at the same time.
So i'm really, really passionate about doing that Absolutely.
Resilience is a wonderful thing to have.
So, Lewis, where can people find you?
Best place is probably Instagram, just at Lewis Hatchet or head over to my website lewishatchetcom, and they can go and find out a lot of things.
Absolutely.
Wonderful.
Well, Lewis, thank you so much for joining us.
Everyone can go check out MindStrong.
Thank you to everyone for listening.
If you have feedback about this or any other episode, you can always reach me at laura, at lauravandercamcom.
In the Thanks for listening, and here's to making the most of our time.
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How preventable is type 2?
Extremely.
Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
And she said, Johnny, the kids didn't come home last night.
Along the central Texas plains, teens are dying.
Suicides that don't make sense.
Strange accidents and brutal murders.
In what seems to be a plot ripped straight out of Breaking Bad.
Drugs, alcohol, trafficking of people.
There are people out there that absolutely know what happened.
Listen to Paper Ghosts, The Texas Teen Murders, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Robert Smith, and this is Jacob Goldstein, and we used to host a show called Planet Money.
And now we're back making this new podcast called business history about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business.
First episode how southwest airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business the most texas story ever.
Listen to business history on the iheart radio app, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
This is an iheart podcast.
