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This is Fresh Air.
I'm Terry Gross.
My guest Leve is a singer cellist pianist, guitarist and songwriter whose 2023 album Bewitched was the first album ever to top Billboard's jazz and traditional jazz charts in its first week of release.
But is she a jazz artist?
Only partially.
Her 2023 album Bewitched won a Grammy for Best Traditional Pop Album and was named Crossover Album of the Year by Variety.
Her music resembles her personal identity in that both are hard to categorize.
Her songs draw on her deep knowledge of classical music and jazz, as well as from pop and classic musicals.
She grew up in Reykjavik, Iceland and Washington DC with a mother who emigrated from China and is a violinist with the Iceland Symphony Orchestra.
Her father is from Iceland, and Leve grew up listening to recordings from his jazz collection.
She started piano lessons at age four, cello lessons at age eight and performed on cello with the Iceland Symphony Orchestra when she was 15.
She describes her music as taking inspiration from the past, with lyrics firmly rooted in the present.
Her concerts are filled with listeners in their 20s who may not know or care much about jazz or classical music.
Leve is 26.
She started attracting an audience during the COVID lockdown, when she began posting videos of her singing jazz standards and originals, accompanying herself on cello, guitar or piano.
She brought her guitar with her today to play and sing some songs, including music from her new album A Matter of Time.
Let's start with a track called Clockwork.
It's an upbeat love song with an obvious jazz influence.
So here's Clockwork.
Sore, I'd never do this again.
Think that I'm so clever.
I could date a friend.
He just called me, said he's running late, Like me.
He probably had to regurgitate.
I know It's irrational.
At least I'm self-aware.
I'm shivering.
Maybe I'll stay home.
Oh no, he's here.
My heart's a wild place.
I've considered every way.
Words I'll forget.
Deeply regret.
He'll run.
And nothing brings me fear, Like meeting with my destiny.
But like clockwork, Pinkie fell in love, Leve welcome to Fresh Air.
It's a pleasure to have you on the show and thank you for bringing your guitar with you.
We'll hear some music in a couple of minutes.
You're so popular, especially among people in their 20s.
Your first music festival was when you performed at Lollapalooza and you brought an orchestra with you.
What insights does that offer about who you are and about your music?
Well, thank you so much for having me.
It's such a pleasure to be here.
I mean, Lollapalooza was such a perfect moment for me of showing exactly who I am to the world, because Lollapalooza is a music festival that I would say is for modern music and for young people.
I've never viewed myself as anything other than a modern artist, but I've always, of course, loved classical music and jazz music and had a love for all things a bit older.
So to get to bring an orchestra and that sound onto such a modern stage?
I mean, we had a K-pop act playing after us and a rapper before us on that very same stage.
I think it's so beautiful that all of these different styles of music can exist in one.
And what does it say that you'd never been to a music festival?
I mean, I'd been to Newport Jazz Festival, so that might answer your question.
I guess, I mean, I grew up in Iceland, so I just wasn't very close to that culture.
We had our own smaller festivals.
Let's talk a little bit about your musical origin story.
Your mother plays violin in the Iceland Symphony Orchestra.
What did you learn about music from hearing her practice at home?
I learned a couple of things.
I think like hard work is really, really important and it's something you need to keep up.
I mean, my mom has been in the orchestra for almost 30 years and she still practices every single day, for every single concert.
It's not something you shelve after you grow up.
But it also has taught me that it's something that never really leaves you.
Growing up in a musical family.
I mean my grandma's 80 something now and she still plays piano every single day, just like as she did when she was seven.
So it's taught me that it's kind of this thing that can follow you forever.
But my mom always talked about especially like the beauty of music and and how it has to come from your heart, and I think that's been such an important through line with with my music, no matter what genre it's leaning towards.
Did you grow up backstage I?
Oh, absolutely.
I grew up on stage.
I think I have stories of my mom playing some contemporary Icelandic composers and it was really loud and every break she would like check her tummy.
Like I have a twin sister.
So the two of us were in there and she was like, are they still moving?
Did we silence them?
When you started taking music lessons, would your mother ever holler from another room?
Wrong note.
Every single day.
Really?
Not from another room.
The same room.
Oh, yeah.
Did that make you self-conscious?
Practicing with a pro with an air shot all the time?
It was like having a teacher every single day.
I would practice piano while my sister was practicing violin, and then we would swap and she would practice piano and I would practice cello and my mom spent the entire afternoon just drifting back and forth from the piano room to the string room, to the piano room, to the string room, and it was very disciplined.
But I'm so thankful for that and my mom still tells me if I'm playing out of tune and I'm so thankful for that and I think it's one of the reasons I'm the musician I am today.
So I think your grandparents are both music professors in China.
Is that right?
Yeah.
So how much time have you spent in China?
And did you take any lessons while you were there?
Yeah, I did.
I spent a lot of time in China.
Every summer, growing up, I would go spend two to three months there and just immerse myself in properly learning the language and and also probably learning classical music.
So definitely my first cello lessons were in China, and I received all my cellos there.
Is it a different style of teaching than in the U.S.?
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Yes and no.
I mean, my grandfather was known for a very specific technique that was full of idioms and metaphors, and he taught mostly young prodigies.
And so it was a very poetic way of learning.
He would talk about how vibrato needed to feel natural and flow like wind flowing through the branches of a tree.
And pronating properly on a bow, it felt like pouring water out of a kettle.
Things like that, that kind of taught me how to learn music in a very poetic way, which I think has had such an effect on me as a songwriter as well.
Because I think so much about how music and physical movement come together.
Well, here's what I'd like to do.
Since we're talking about classical music and orchestra, I want to ask you to sing your song Snow White.
And then I want to play, in the middle of the album, there's an interlude called Cuckoo Ballet.
And it's almost like an overture with melodies from your songs interwoven.
And it's just orchestral.
Yeah.
So there's a really nice orchestral passage of the song Snow White with you and Shallow.
So I just want to contrast the two, to show two of your sides, like the singer-songwriter side, and then transforming that into something you know, much more classical sounding.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So let's start with you doing Snow White.
Do you want to introduce the song?
Yes.
So it's a song that I wrote about my never-ending kind of battle with beauty standards and this idea of perfection.
And I was a little scared to put this song out, because it's very honest and I never want to show, especially all the young women in my audience, that I don't believe in myself, because how can they believe in themselves if I have trouble believing in myself?
But I came to this realization that it was perhaps comforting to know that other people feel the same way.
So, this is Snow White.
Can't help.
But All of the ways In which I feel myself, I feel the world.
All the same, I don't think I'm pretty.
It's not up for debate.
A woman's best currency's her body.
They try to tell me.
Tell me I'm wrong.
But mirrors tell lies to me.
My mind just plays along.
The world is a sick place, at least for us.
The people want beauty.
Skinny always wins, And I don't have enough of it.
I'll never have enough of it.
Well, thank you for that.
So I want to compare that to what you've done when you had it orchestrated, and this is from a medley called Cuckoo Ballet in the middle of your album, and this is the excerpt in which you're playing in an orchestral setting, that part of the song, and you're featuring on cello.
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So that was my guest Levee on cello, and that's from an orchestral interlude in the middle of her new album, and the album is called A Matter of Time.
So now that we've heard you on cello, you started playing cello when you were eight.
Did you choose that, or was it chosen for you?
I chose it.
I think I wanted to be different from everyone in my family.
My sister chose violin and I think because I'm the older twin, so I thought I should play the bigger instrument.
A little by seconds.
So you listened to a lot of jazz growing up because your father had a big jazz collection.
What era or what songs or singers particularly influenced you?
I think Ella Fitzgerald was the very first singer that I really felt that I vocally resonated with.
I think she just sounded like a cello.
So I immediately was like, oh, I want to sound like her.
And I was having trouble finding songs in my range to sing.
But Ella's range, though bigger than mine still, her singing style I seemed to fall most naturally into that kind of style um same with Billie Holiday and I also loved Nat King Cole and and um Julie London and Peggy Lee and Doris Day.
It was kind of, you know that, that type of era of mid-century singing that I really was drawn to.
Would you play a standard for us that you particularly liked?
Yeah.
Do you want to do It Could Happen to You?
Yes.
Absolutely.
And let's mention here that this is one of the things that kind of put you on the map, because you recorded this on your phone during COVID.
And I think it's the first and one of the first videos that you put out on YouTube.
Yes.
Yes.
COVID started and I had what I thought would be a two-week break.
So I thought I'd use that time to just post videos of myself singing online.
And it started with a lot of jazz standards.
And I was playing the jazz standards on cello and singing along.
And yeah, I did a cover of It Could Happen to You and also of the song I Wish You Love and the two of those kind of hit the algorithm or whatever you say.
They kind of definitely were the first things that I think people were like what?
Why is this girl, this young woman, playing cello and singing?
It was like multiple things they hadn't seen combined together.
Yeah, and Chet Baker has a great recording of this.
Yes yeah, that's my favorite Chet Baker album, the it could happen to you one.
So okay, and this is Levee.
Hide your heart from sight, Lock your dreams at night.
It could happen to you.
Don't count stars or you might stumble.
Someone drops a sigh and down you tumble.
Keep an eye on spring From when church bells ring.
It could happen to you.
All I did was wonder how Your arms would be, And it happened to me, Thank you.
That was Leve singing and playing guitar.
And she has a new album called A Matter of Time.
So that video that you posted like before, you actually made studio recordings.
You accompanied yourself on cello when you sang that song.
But you strummed and kind of picked as if it was a guitar recording.
So I'm wondering if the opposite has happened, since cello is your first instrument, your main instrument.
Have you taken any cello techniques and transfer them to guitar?
You know I haven't bowed a guitar yet, but maybe I should.
I think I've tried as a joke before.
Really?
I was thinking too of the kind of cello vibrato.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think I've directly put it into guitar, but I've definitely when I started playing cello, before I started singing.
So I think my singing style has always kind of been something similar to cello playing and And, whether it's the vibrato style or the legato and kind of sliding into notes, that's very much my vocal style.
And I think it is quite similar to my cello style.
So you grew up in two extremes.
You grew up in Iceland, but you also spent a lot of time in Washington, D.C.
What were you doing there?
What was your family doing there?
My father was working for the Icelandic government there, but my mom would sub with the Baltimore Symphony when she was there.
So I kind of got to be a little bit of an American kid for a bit, which I think having a childhood in America is really where I fell in love with a great American songbook.
What was your father doing in the government?
He was working for the IMF.
The International Monetary Fund?
Yes.
So two extremes, like Iceland is like remote.
It's a small country.
It's very cold.
Washington, D.C. is one of the capitals of the world, not just the capital of the U.S.
And it's so busy.
What was it like growing up in two pretty opposite worlds?
It's certainly a lot warmer and swampier here.
Certainly, yeah.
Than Iceland, yeah.
I think it's one of the most important experiences that I've gone through.
I had a very deep understanding of how big the world was from a very early age because I would still spend my summers in China.
And the three are so, so, so, so different.
I think from...
What I really learned from Washington, D.C., I think especially, was just how multicultural it was.
I mean, I went to a public school in DC and even within just my neighborhood school, I think 90 of my class was international kids.
And I was such a naturally multicultural kid, it made me quite happy.
I also loved all the museums and I remember going to the ballet at the Kennedy Center and the symphony and I just have very beautiful memories from growing up there.
And I remember moving back to Iceland when I was eight or nine.
And I remember that it felt like the world fell dark for a little bit because there was so much brightness in Washington, which sounds like a crazy thing to say right now.
But I think it really just opened my eyes up to how very big the world is.
Because Washington, D.C. is also such a unique city within the United States.
Well, since you're half Chinese and half Icelandic and you grew up in Iceland not a lot of Chinese people in Iceland.
So being half Chinese was probably considered unusual, maybe even like, quote, exotic.
But growing up in Washington, there's like lots of people from China and other Asian countries.
So what was it like for you to be so unusual in such a homogenous place as Iceland?
It was really difficult.
I think Iceland is so small and it's lovely and I miss it every single day.
But it was very hard as a kid to comprehend why I didn't look like everyone else or how my interests were different.
There weren't many kids around me taking a competitive pre-professional classical music route.
There weren't many kids around me who had to go back home and practice every single day.
And I often felt like my voice wasn't being heard.
And I was ready to do anything to get my voice to be heard.
And I knew that the first step to that was trying to get out of Iceland and see if perhaps my voice would resonate more in the big world where I wasn't an odd fish.
Let's take another short break here, and then we'll be back for more music and conversation with Leve.
Her new album is called A Matter of Time.
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I want to ask you to do another song for us, and this is Castle in Hollywood.
Would you give us the backstory for the song?
Yeah, this song is written about a friendship breakup.
I found that there are not many songs about breaking up with a friend, but it's a pain that can sometimes be more painful than breaking up with a romantic lover.
So I wanted to write about this experience that I had, and I think, especially when women fall apart, with women, there's such an interesting line of empathy that's between them.
It's kind of like I'll love you forever, but just not.
Don't be around me.
I rack my brain, spend hours and days.
I still can't figure it out.
What happened that evening?
Still learning to live without you.
I wonder what you tell your friends.
Which version of our fairy story, The one where you walk out in glory For the night, I moved out in a hurry.
I think about you, always Tied together with a string.
I thought the lilies died by winter.
Then they bloomed again in spring.
It's a heartbreak Marked the end of my girlhood.
We'll never go back to that castle in Hollywood, Thank you.
That was Levee performing for us.
And what was the castle in Hollywood?
Was that a fantasy of what you wanted your life to be?
No, I lived in.
The first apartment I moved into was this English storybook house in West Hollywood that had a turret and it was commissioned by Charlie Chaplin, actually in 1928, I believe.
Wait, wait.
The first apartment that you rented was one that Charlie Chaplin commissioned?
How did that happen?
Yeah.
Pure internet luck, I think.
It was definitely a little scary.
It was very dark.
But my bedroom was circular.
It was inside a turret.
And I had a tiny little window with bars on it, like a proper Rapunzel window.
And yeah, it was a really, really weird apartment, but so charming and exactly what my storybook heart craved when I first moved to LA.
So you compose on guitar, even though that's not your first instrument.
Cello is your first instrument.
You're a very good pianist.
Why do you compose on guitar as opposed to, say, piano, which would be the more obvious choice?
Yeah, I compose a lot on piano too, I think increasingly now.
I started writing a lot on guitar, I think because it was this unknown instrument to me, where I wasn't following a set of rules that I had learned over my years of classical training.
I wasn't going back to any habits.
I was just letting my heart and fingers wander.
So I think also it's a fairly soft instrument, so singing over it it's easy to hear myself and hear the lyrics and really understand what I'm trying to say.
It didn't get in the way of my songwriting.
You've performed to a lot of different audiences, like jazz, classical pop, and therefore to different ages as well.
Like the jazz audience tends to be older.
Ditto for classical music audience.
Your pop audience, I think, is largely made of people in their 20s.
Do you become a different self for each type of audience?
No, I think I'm pretty similar in every single setting and I'm very unapologetically myself.
Like when I'm on stage with an orchestra and I really do try to play as many concerts with orchestras because I just want to And get young people into those buildings, into those rooms, get young people used to that sound of 60 plus instruments playing and musicians playing at the same time.
There's nothing quite like it.
And then at the same time, I kind of push against the classical medium of music.
Just kind of blabbering on stage, like in between songs.
I'll explain what the songs are about and just to feel that connection with the audience and just to further show them that this is something classical music, orchestral music is something that can be theirs too and doesn't need to feel like this foreign thing that exists behind a wall.
I might be totally wrong in thinking this, so you can tell me after I explain.
So you're capable of singing pretty high up, but also when you sing full out in a low voice, it's a very strong voice.
And similar to a cello, which was your ambition, right?
But the dresses that you wear, a lot of the clothes that you wear, are very like, diaphanous and flowy, almost like angelic.
And the contrast between, like the deep voice that you can have and those kind of diaphanous clothes reminds me of ballet.
And I know at some point you were studying ballet, right?
Yeah, I've always loved ballet so much.
And I grew up dancing ballet very badly, but just being completely enamored by it because it was the physical answer to classical music.
Right.
So here's why the comparison is between your deep voice and the contrast with your clothes and ballet, because in ballet you have to be really strong.
And you have to have incredible endurance and be willing to live with pain and be incredibly disciplined.
But with a tutu on and with a lot of the classic ballet choreography, you're supposed to look totally weightless and princess-like or angelic.
And the contrast between the strength that's required and the image on stage of the ballerina.
It's a huge difference, kind of like your voice and the way you often dress.
Does that make any sense to you?
Oh, no, it absolutely does.
I think like ballet, I go to lengths to make my performance look effortless.
But yeah, I mean ballet costumes, dresses.
I'm very inspired by that in my dressing on stage for multiple reasons.
The first being comfort.
You can move in them and I need to be able to breathe and and move around.
But I think you know, when I'm playing with whether it's a string quartet or an orchestra, and those little moments in between, the movement of of a tutu, the movement of a dress, the movement of clothing it's, it just adds to the performance and it's something I think about a lot.
I don't like wearing stiff clothing because it it pulls the music down and it pulls my performance down too.
Let's take another break here and then we'll hear more music played by Leve, who is my guest.
She's from Iceland, and Leve, this sounds like a very Icelandic name.
Yes, it's from Norse mythology.
Oh, meaning what?
It's also my great-grandmother's name, but the god of mischief, Loki, his mother was named Leve.
Oh, I've heard of Loki.
Yeah, if you look up his full name, it's Loke Löweson, son of Löwe.
And what's your full name?
My full name is Löwe Lindbyng Jonsdottir.
So the Lin Bing is the Chinese part?
That's the Chinese part.
Bing means ice, so I'm named after Iceland.
Lin is my Chinese family name.
And Jon Stottir means daughter of Jon.
My father's name is Jon, and I am his daughter.
Right, okay.
We'll be back after a break, and her new album, by the way, is called A Matter of Time.
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I want to play another song from your album.
And this is a song that I think is very different from the other songs on the album.
It has more of a soul influence to it.
And the song is called Silver Lining.
Do you want to talk about writing this?
Mm-hmm.
Silver Lining is one of those very rare songs that I wrote to kind of perfectly complement my voice.
I wasn't thinking about anything other than just wanting to write.
Of course I love song and I wanted to get those feelings off my chest.
I'm a very naturally sarcastic person, so it carried through in a very sarcastic way.
But with lyrics like, when you go to hell, I'll go there with you too.
That's my way of describing how much I love you.
I'll follow you anywhere.
But I really wanted to write a song that was just built around my vocal performance.
I think...
Something that I didn't get to explore as much in my last album was my vocal range.
And I don't use reverb often, but the voice is seeped in reverb, but with intention.
Okay, let's hear it.
This is Silver Lining from Levee's new album, A Matter of Time.
A Matter of Time, I've been falling in bad habits Staring into the abyss, Drowning in red wine and sniffing cinnamon.
We've been kissing on the playground, Acting like little kids.
Making dirty jokes and getting away with it.
So I propose.
It's long overdue.
When you go to hell, I'll go there with you too.
For being so cruel.
The silver linings, I'll be there with you.
That was Silver Lining from Leve's new album, A Matter of Time.
Are you on tour now?
I am on tour right now and it's my first arena tour, so it's definitely different and a little bit daunting, but I feel like I've been able to show every part of my artistic vision at once, which makes me so happy.
I have ballerinas on stage with me and jazz dancers.
I have my band and i have a string quartet and i have a jazz club in the middle of the stage and it just feels really, really special to finally get to kind of show the world exactly what i'm about.
No, it's like 360 degrees of view with the ballet dancers and exactly and yeah, a jazz set in the middle.
What kind of reaction do you get to that?
I've just been showing a more muted side of myself, or acoustic side of myself, which I absolutely love and adore and will continue to do too, whether that's concerts with orchestras or concerts at jazz clubs or just solo.
But I've always been inspired by Golden Age films, the va-va-voom of it all.
And I've also always loved pop music and how And I feel like at pop concerts the artists can go all out and be unapologetically themselves.
I've always wanted the same.
I think I gained a bit of a reputation as this very soft artist with my last projects.
And though I am that, I am so much more than that as well.
Since you have a jazz set in the middle of your concerts.
Now, when you're on tour, I'm going to ask you to play a jazz original that you wrote.
And this is one of your early songs.
It's called Valentine.
I've been playing a much more swingy version of this on tour, so it's going to be weird to go back to this version.
But this is how I wrote it, so it is how it shall be performed.
I've rejected affection for years and years.
Now I have it and damn it, it's kind of weird.
He tells me I'm pretty, don't know how to respond.
I tell him that he's pretty too.
Can I say that?
Don't have a clue Every passing moment, I surprise myself I'm scared of flies or I'm scared of guys.
Someone please help.
Cause I think I've fallen in love this time.
I blinked and suddenly I had a valentine.
That's a nice song.
It's sweet.
It's very naive.
It reminds me of being 21.
Falling in love for the first time?
Yes.
Do you get back to Iceland much?
I do.
I go home a lot.
It really grounds me and I write the best there.
I wrote half the album there.
And your music's popular there, right?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think so.
I don't know if my music is very popular, but I think there's definitely a lot of hometown pride.
So when I go home and play concerts I think it's always very special because they're very proud of different artists or athletes who've kind of gone outside of the country and made their mark there.
Well, Leve, I want to thank you so much for talking with us and for doing some songs for us.
Thank you so much.
I wish you well on your tour.
And, you know, thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
It's been such an honor.
Oh, my pleasure.
Leve's new album is called A Matter of Time.
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Like a toy chihuahua barking at me from a tiny purse.
That's a song called Actually Romantic.
On this album, Swift is reunited with the Swedish producer Max Martin, with whom she's made her catchiest hits, including Shake It Off, and We Are Never, Ever Getting Back Together.
I much prefer the grand, intense pop productions of Max Martin to the brooding ballads that prevail on non-Martin productions such as Swift's last album, The Tortured Poets Department.
On the new song Wood, Martin turns Swift loose to tear through a rhythm and blues chorus.
That's unlike any singing she's done before.
Over me, it's understood.
The lyrics for that song, by the way, are full of double entendres and single ones that may require a certain amount of parental explanation for a considerable portion of Swift's audience.
It's PG-13 autobiography for the fans who love to parse the lyrics seeking private life details.
It's why publications are reduced to coming up with clickbait headlines about the song Opalite.
People magazine, to take just one of many, offered this headline.
Taylor Swift's Opalite lyrics explained, breaking down the Travis Kelsey-inspired track.
This would be merely silly were the music not so strong, with its creamy disco beat and surging chorus.
They'll see it again.
Life is a song.
It ends when it ends.
On the title song, Swift joins up with pop star of the moment, Sabrina Carpenter, to offer one of those show-busy-hard extravaganzas that could serve as a Broadway musical showstopper.
I took her pearls of wisdom, hung them from my neck.
I paid my dues with every bruise.
I knew what to expect.
Do you want to take a skate on the ice inside my veins?
They ripped me off like false lashes and then threw me away.
And all the headshots on the walls of the dance hall are of the witches who wish that her reign.
As the album proceeds, you begin to realize that Swift focuses less and less on her perennial subjects heartache and heartbreak.
Her dozen songs combine to form a picture of true love found, tested and proven, as strong as her early work always yearned to find.
She uses a couple of songs to dispatch a few bad men, such as a condescending controller on this one called Father Figure.
When I found you, you were young, we were lost in the cold.
Pulled up to you in the jack, turned your axe into gold.
The winding road leads to the chateau.
I'll see you next time.
One key to Taylor Swift's success is that she's turned fame into a game.
Her fans are invited to play along with her.
Everyone is welcome backstage now, where Taylor will greet you with open arms, a big smile and a knowing wink.
You can call me honey if you want because I'm the one you want.
Ken Tucker reviewed Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of a Showgirl.
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Trump has deployed the National Guard to several U.S. cities.
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