Investigators On Karen Read Case Connected To Death of Pregnant Girl That Had Been Abused By 3 Cops | Rotten Mango

Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm.

It's like showing up for movie night ready for a heart -pounding thriller but getting a three -hour documentary on lawn care.

That's kind of like insurance.

Insurance may all seem the same on the surface, but when it comes to getting the help you need, State Farm is the real deal.

You wouldn't settle for a snooze fest when you came for a thrill ride.

So don't settle for just any insurance when there's State Farm.

Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

there are probably a few things that you should not do while a jury deliberates on whether or not you are a murderer one would be to commit more crimes jury tampering is a big one don't follow a juror home just so if you can see maybe you could understand their perspective a little better don't do that to see if they have all the facts needed to deliberate definitely don't do that but those are very obvious you know some are up for debate some people think it's okay some people don't think it's okay and one of that includes cuddling your defense attorney one new york post article reads karen reid

spotted canoodling with lawyer as jury deliberated over whether she murdered her cop boyfriend there is an iphone live photo posted of karen reid outside of a fancy boston steakhouse with alan jackson from the back he's standing behind her one arm around her waist, so she's facing forward, he's facing forward, he's behind her, and the other arm is like firmly around her chest. It seems like everyone's giggling, goofing around, but it definitely seems intimate and online.

Everybody just starts freaking out.

First of all, Alan Jackson is married.

He's worn a wedding ring throughout the entirety of the trial, but now the timing of it all also feels way too intimate one netizen says it just looks so wrong and inappropriate it's her attorney and i don't know it just doesn't feel like a normal attorney client type of situation the picture is a lot some try to argue well it's because they've been working very closely every single day with each other for years fighting for freedom geez can't a girl have hobbies like can't a girl live a little others say they've become a close friends and a support system i'm sure that his wife is totally fine

with stuff like this i mean what's the big deal about this picture it's not like they got caught making out or anything why are people so crazy others say i just feel a little uncomfortable because he's married but the people who don't like karen reid have used this photo as another example of why she's guilty of murder how can she be so heartless and cruel karen how exactly are you paying your attorneys you will have your day i'm totally disgusted another one reads this is blowing it for me for karen reid this man is full of himself and he's all over her and she's loving it he's married but not for too

long they're they're definitely sleeping together one source apparently close to karen reid tells tmz that the picture has been taken way out of context the two are just sharing an innocent moment of celebration there's nothing on this picture really they're just quote goofing around but karen reid supporters have stated isn't it a little weird that the source only spoke with tmz a longtime non -supporter of karen reid the the connection to karen reid the source has never been named disclosed further expanded upon.

It's also weird that out of the major news media networks, the only ones that are really running with this video, this picture, are the ones that have not been favorable to Karen Reed since the very beginning.

So what if the picture is not even real?

What if it's AI? What if it's edited?

Lars Daniel, a digital forensic expert, author of Digital Forensics for Legal Professionals, states, I certainly do not believe this to be real.

He says it's weird that there's elements in the photo so near the back of the photo you see this parking sign high resolution you can read it the audi the car in the back high resolution clear as day so why does alan jackson look like a blob his hair has clear indications that edits have been made additionally his arm is kind of warped it gets bigger and smaller and bigger and smaller and just ways that just don't align with human anatomy netizens have also noticed that there appears to to be two alan jackson's in the photo one of them is facing karen reed taking a photo with david iannetti some

argue it's not him and it's a different friend but it does look like alan jackson and then another one who's hugging karen reed from the back so which one is alan jackson that is crazy so you're saying ai it seems to be edited by most people's professional and non -professional accounts in any event i do think that the video is questionable in its credibility.

I mean, I could always be proven wrong, but just at first glance, it looks like at least a little bit tampered with.

But overall, the whole thing feels oddly suspicious because the implications of if this photo is real versus if it's fake are drastically different.

So for one, if the photo is real, you might have a questionable picture of an attorney and their client and perhaps a dilemma of professional boundaries and moral ethical questions being bounced around?

Two, if the photo is not real, if it's edited and certain mainstream media outlets are pushing this photo out there, who would edit something like this?

Why would they even take this picture and run these stories?

How far are these people willing to go to make sure Karen Reid ends up in jail?

Are they the same people that wanted to make sure nobody found out about Sandra Birchmore?

Another high -profile murder case in Massachusetts.

We've actually talked about the the sandra birchmore case before on this podcast the death of sandra birchmore she was 23 years old she well officially originally she self -exited in her canton massachusetts apartment almost exactly a year before john o 'keefe died or at least that's what the canton pd the massachusetts state pd kept saying she self -exited but once the fbi got involved it was uncovered that not only did she not self -exit but she was likely killed by a police officer who had been grooming exploiting and abusing her since she was 15 years old a police officer that has connections

with some of the canton police officers wait it was the same police department it's a neighboring police department so her alleged killer works for stoughton pd which is a neighboring police department but because her apartment is in canton they were the responding police officers in fact one of these officers that we're familiar with was at the scene when her body was found and then Then the Massachusetts State Police take over.

The trooper trolls take over.

You're going to see a lot of people that you're familiar with that pronounce her dead.

They investigate her connections with another police officer.

And they all say, you know what?

She self -exited. And all of this is taking place in the same DA's office, Norfolk County DA.

But what's even more intriguing about all of this is, why did Karen Reed's defense team request unredacted files from Sandra Birchmore's case?

What are the connections here?

We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the Dana -Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, Massachusetts.

there are globally known cancer research center that also provides support for patients and families similar to john o 'keefe's sister who has since passed away from brain cancer this episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support rotten mango's growing team and would also like to thank you guys for your continued support as always full show notes are available at rotten mango podcast .com there are references to driving under the influence alleged physical assault please watch at your own discretion as well as mentions of self -exit crimes against people who are currently pregnant

this episode is pretty dark it is the final part of the karen reed series and there's just honestly i feel like i could make a 20 -part series for karen reed it's just so extensive every everything we've talked about we can go five layers deeper into all of the nitty -gritty details but because i think the main focus that people have been trying to center the conversation on is the connections to all of the corruption in Massachusetts and probably everywhere in the United States.

This episode is also going to include the story of Sandra Birchmore, which we have already covered on this podcast, but there have been lots of new developments since then.

So if you want to watch that episode, I'll link it below, but there's a lot of updates and I'm going to go through them today.

And you don't really need that, but you do need the first three parts of the Karen Reed series.

There's no way that I I can recap almost 10 hours of video footage for you.

Just know that January 29th, 2022, John O 'Keefe, Boston police officer, was found deceased in the snow on the front lawn of another Boston police officer's home, Brian Albert.

Brian Albert has a lot of connections.

This doesn't take place in the jurisdiction of Boston Police Department.

It takes place in the jurisdiction of the Canton Police Department.

They are the first ones to investigate.

Everybody is connected to everybody.

buddy and somehow it seems like the least likely murderer in this situation the evidence doesn't really point to her there's a few things that are weird like her angry voicemails but those are all kind of explained by just sheer logic the one that every single person in a position of authority and power in law enforcement in that town has pointed this case as the culprit is karen reed John O 'Keefe's girlfriend of two years.

And Karen Reid has gone through two different trials to try and prove her innocence.

And so this is kind of the summary and culmination of both trials.

We have condensed and combined statements, trial testimonies for brevity's sake, because there's just no way.

I mean, you're talking about hundreds of hours of trial footage that we went through.

So with that being said, that is the recap.

Go watch part one, two, and three.

And this is the final part of Karen Reid.

Michael Morrissey is the DA for the Norfolk County, and he sits in front of a wall of books, and it makes him look scholarly.

It makes him look well -read, but he just starts yapping away in a YouTube video, and suddenly everyone in the comments is rolling their eyes at Mr. Michael Morrissey.

He says, this will be my first statement of its kind.

False narratives are are not evidence.

What the evidence does not show is that John O 'Keefe never entered the home at 34 Fairview Road in Canton the night that he died.

11 people have given statements that they did not see John O 'Keefe enter the home at 34 Fairview that night.

Zero people have said that they saw him enter the home.

Zero. No one. Some have, without evidence, pointed to 18 -year -old Colin Albert, a nephew of the homeowner, and accused him of attacking John O 'Keefe as he entered the home but phone evidence shows john o 'keefe never entered the home at all there was no fight outside there's no fight inside the house john o 'keefe did not enter the home colin albert the young man being vilified was not present when reed's vehicle and john o 'keefe arrived on the street this is a false narrative when was he saying this this is like before trial too okay and people are confused because why does this man sound like

an attorney for colin albert and not a DA because aren't DAs supposed to be trying the case before the jury and not telling the jury what to think about this case but he continues Colin Albert did not commit murder how would you know that there was no investigation into that were you there yeah were you there that night check his phone records I'm just kidding he seems crazy Jennifer McCabe Matthew McCabe and Brian Albert these people were not part of a conspiracy and certainly did not commit murder or any crime that night they have been well i feel like a lot of them were drunk driving so that's

at least a crime so you're already lying they have been forthcoming with authority providing statements that have not engaged in any cover -ups they are not suspects in any crime they're merely witnesses in this case to have them accused of murder is outrageous to have them harassed and intimidated based on false narratives and accusations is wrong the autopsy of john o 'keefe was conducted by a forensic pathologist the doctor found the injuries that left john helpless in the cold were not a result of a fight.

That is an entirely false narrative.

She stated specifically that she could not rule out a fight.

It could have been from a fight.

It could have been from being hit by a car.

It could have been lots of things, which is why the manner of John's death is listed as undetermined.

But he continues, we try people on the court and not the internet for a reason.

The internet has no rules of evidence.

The internet has no punishment for perjury which is also another lie you can get hit with defamation lawsuits but he continues the internet does not know all the facts conspiracy theories are not evidence michael proctor the state police trooper being accused of planting evidence outside of 34 fairview road was never at 34 fairview on the day of the incident in addition to having no opportunity to plant the evidence as has been suggested proctor would have no motive to do so he had no personal relationship with any of the parties involved in the investigation had no conflict he had no reason to

step out of his investigation every suggestion to the contrary is a lie but the one part that sticks out most is when michael morrissey says this the idea that multiple police police departments, EMTs, fire personnel, and medical examiner, and the prosecuting agencies adjoin in or taken in by a vast conspiracy should be seen for what it is, completely contrary to the evidence and a desperate attempt to reassign guilt.

His whole explanation is that it just takes too many people to be involved in a conspiracy or a conspiracy cover -up to this extent, to this level if that's the case that means nothing similar should have never happened ever before in maybe history but definitely not in his department right because it's just logically impossible logistically impossible theoretically impossible it is impossible correct february 4th of 2021 almost exactly a year before john o 'keefe is found dead so this is february 4th 2021 21 this is the date of another blizzard in canton massachusetts oh yeah canton police get

a phone call from a local elementary school and one of the teachers failed to show up to work and nobody has been able to get in contact with her some people might think this is no big deal but this is very unlike her to do this her name is sandra birchmore and the canton police are dispatched to do a wellness check they get to her apartment nobody's answering the door they're about to leave when they realize that her vehicle which is registered to her it's in the parking lot covered in snow snow started falling three days ago which means she's been in her apartment for the past three days that would make

the most sense right i mean she's not going anywhere without her snow canton is not really a walkable town so if that's the case why is she not opening the door is she having some sort of medical emergency canton police they ask the property manager for a set of keys to open up the apartment they walk in and they see sandra birchmore in her bedroom on the floor with a land around her neck, deceased.

She's like sitting on her bedroom floor.

This is very important later.

Her phone is near her body, likely within reach, and they, the Canton police that show up, they come to the least likely, least investigative, least common sense conclusion that Sandra Birchmore has self -exited by way of a duffel bag string around her neck and she had used her closet door handle whilst sitting down to self -exit by way of asphyxiation, even though most evidence does not point to her having any sort of inclination to self -exit.

And I know a lot of people are going to say that a lot of the times it is random, it is abrupt, there are not that many signs to be able to predict, but she's pregnant, she's planning a newborn photo session, she literally just emailed a photographer, she's making arrangements with a friend to take care of her two cats while she goes into labor she's doing laundry she was about to put her laundry from the washer to the dryer and she was waiting for the father of her child to show up to her place the father of her child is stoughton police detective matthew farwell so this is a nearby police department

this is not canton and massachusetts state police is the whole state so it's like a within so canton is within massachusetts stoughton is within massachusetts it's nearby matthew farwell is clearly not happy that sandra birchmore is pregnant with his child i mean for one he's married and his wife is currently also pregnant with their third child he didn't like that sandra was going around telling everyone that she was pregnant with his child he didn't want to pay for child support and he definitely didn't want to get investigated because sandra birchmore isn't just a woman that he's having an affair

with sandra birchmore is someone that he has known since she was a little girl she was part of a police program a police mentoring program called police explorers where it's alleged that multiple police officers including matthew farwell his twin brother and their superior officer robert devine had groomed her and assaulted her since she was at least 15 years old she went into the program because it's supposed to help local youth and she came from a just a rough background is how everyone describes it but instead of being taken care of sandra birchmore was 16 years old when matthew farwell essayed

her for the first time he was 26 no she was 15 he was 26 and she was 15 he's also getting paid by the police force while assaulting a minor on the clock getting paid for it near christmas of 2020 sandra is of age now she's 23 at this point she tells him that she's pregnant with his child he's clearly not happy about any of this he texts her and he just says that he wishes that she would die february 1st of 2021 matthew decides he's having a change of heart he does indeed want to stop by sandra birchmore's place in the midst of a blizzard while his wife is in the hospital about to go into labor with their

first child he drives to sandra birchmore's home he's seen on the apartment cctv cameras wearing a mask a covid mask his hood is covering his entire head 20 minutes later he's seen leaving the apartment going straight to the hospital where his wife is giving birth there's actually a very terrifying photo of him where he's cradling his newborn baby in the hospital wearing the same exact outfit that he had gone to sandra birchmore's apartment and allegedly killing her all very suspicious elements to i don't know a very straightforward crime i I don't think anyone would need a police badge to put

two and two together and come to the very easy destination that Matthew Farwell should at the very least be investigated.

But that is not what happens.

Instead, Sandra Birchmore's death is quickly deemed a self -exit.

Even though Matthew Farwell has strong motives, he was the last one to see her alive.

Multiple tips after Sandra's death.

Multiple tips are called into the Norfolk DA's office.

The same one handling Karen Reid's case.

someplace friends of sandra's are calling and saying they knew sandra was pregnant with a police officer's child matthew farwell and when he found out he was not happy in fact he seemed kind of violent he was pushing her shoving her grabbing objects from her this is what sandra had told them before she died putting sandra in a chokehold this is weeks leading up to her murder also just 12 days before her death sandra told her friends that matthew farwell came over and was suspiciously looking at her apartment going through her bathroom her closets almost like he he was scoping it out.

Those are the words she used.

Wow. And 12 days later, she mysteriously dies in a strange manner that authorities deem a self -exit even though Sandra was really excited to become a mom.

Nothing happens for four full years until the FBI steps in and finally arrests Matthew Farwell for Sandra Birchmore's death, accusing him of essentially framing Sandra Sandra Birchmore in her own murder.

Another thing to note is, yes, after Sandra's death, many of her friends called in tips to the Norfolk County DA's office.

And even when the red alarms did not go off, I mean, it should have, but even prior to her passing, people were calling in to Stoughton PD to report Matthew Farwell.

Sandra Birchmore had told a few of her friends that she was pregnant with Matthew Farwell's child and he had actually started essaying her since she was 16.

She did not believe it to be SA because she had been so groomed but they had noticed it was SA so they call Stoughton and they're like one of your officers was abusing the police program the explorers program to SA a minor at the time.

This is even before she passes away and just like Karen Reed's case a lot of different agencies were involved with this whole investigation before it goes to the FBI. Sandra Birchmark, okay Matthew Farwell is part of Stoughton PD but Stoughton PD has no jurisdiction because sandra birchmore is found deceased in canton so canton pd are the first ones to arrive at the scene it's later handed off to the massachusetts state police why is that they handle most of the unattended deaths canton pd is just too small of a police department to handle a lot of the homicides so i think they hand off a lot

of their bigger cases the massachusetts state troopers are the ones that deemed sandra birchmore's death as self -exit but but also the Canton PD.

They both deem it a self -exit.

Canton PD, the Massachusetts State Department, and even the DA's office is like, yeah, it's definitely a self -exit.

In fact, you're gonna see a lot of the same people that are involved.

So the first connection between these two cases comes from Michael Link.

Michael Link of the Canton Police Department, good old friends with Chris Albert.

Michael Link has known the Alberts for probably longer than we've been alive.

This guy has known Chris Albert since he was 12 years old.

And they have been friends.

I mean, Link says if he's got to list it.

He's probably known Tim Albert since he was, what, 16?

He's known Chris since he was 12.

Tim Albert is the brother, another brother of Albert's, right?

Yes, so Brian, Tim, Chris, Kevin Albert.

They're all brothers.

They have a few more siblings.

There's like seven siblings in the bunch, but these are the four important ones.

And three of them are cops.

Yeah. Oh, no. Two of them are cops.

one of them is a canton select man in charge of the yes i have no idea what this man does tim albert yeah he just he'd just be posting weird stuff he's like the type to post the alpha man lion michael linc has worked with kevin albert another canton detective for at least 18 years he's known kevin since he was 14 years old he does admit that he considers kevin albert more of a friend and less of a co -worker but that the most alarming connection in this friendship with chris Albert is that Chris is shady.

He sells mediocre pizza.

That's also shady. But in 2002, Officer Link is sitting outside of a bar.

He's off -duty drinking when Chris Albert runs up to him and says, hey, you got to save my life.

My life is in danger.

This is from the perspective of Michael Link.

Do we trust anything Michael Link says?

Probably not, so take it with a grain of salt.

He's saying that they're threatening the entire Albert lineage.

He says, I got out of my car.

I approached these group of men and I pleaded with them to not fight tonight.

I said, you know, there's not going to be a fight tonight.

There's six of you guys.

Chris Albert is here with his girlfriend, probably Julie Albert at the time.

There's not going to be a fight tonight.

Michael Link says, I observed multiple men walking down the sidewalk in that direction.

And at that point, I got out of my truck, approached the group and pleaded with them.

I said, guys, not tonight.

You know, he's with his girlfriend.

That's not going to be the fight tonight.

Let's, he says, I tried my best to diffuse the situation.

but they get into a fist fight in the middle of the night these two brothers they end up michael lank says they end up throwing a few punches first michael lank starts wrestling them down to the he taps himself in as an off -duty police officer he says okay now i'm on duty and he starts fighting them he's punching them he's on top of them other canton police officers have to drag him off of the two brothers and he says i defended myself and engaged in a physical altercation with the the brothers wait wait wait hold on six people he ran into six people yes but i it seems like it's only the two brothers

wait i'm so confused who who's at the scene chris albert a girlfriend and four other people yes but those i mean it's like a group of people but he really only starts fighting two guys of the six people yeah are they trying to fight chris or trying to fight michael they're trying to allegedly they're trying to fight chris i don't really believe it because chris is known to start shit right and michael saying that's my friend please don't start trouble now yes and they start trying to start trouble so michael start fighting two brothers yes and here's chris fighting too no and here's why i don't

believe that chris is uh innocent in any of this and that's just a personal belief he seems like the type to start shit at one point alan jackson was in i mean he's in canton he's in boston because of this trial he walks into a bar are Chris Albert happens to be there Chris Albert calls for a buff friend to show up and that friend starts yelling at Alan Jackson to get the fuck out of Canton and go back to LA go back to Los Angeles big shot attorney in a very threatening manner and so this guy is still doing that to this day I feel like in 2002 this is the one that started everything he gets Michael

Lank involved Michael Lank starts pummeling these guys he's asked later by Karen's attorney did you come to to chris albert's aid as best as you could as a longtime friend of his i came to the aid of a citizen who was in fear and of need the citizen happened to be chris albert whom you had known since you were 12 years old correct ultimately a fight breaks up link is called for backup they separate them nothing happens that night nobody is arrested and that's interesting because if he is saying that these two brothers started the fight they would have arrested the brothers yeah you don't just

attack a cop and get away with it that never happens ever well interestingly enough nobody is arrested everyone is told to go home nobody files a police report about this incident until the next day the two brothers come into canton police department and they complain and they say i was just randomly attacked by one of your officers who was off duty last night and then the two brothers get arrested lank is confronted by this by karen's attorney who who asks him, Officer Lenk, is this an example of you using your position as a police officer to come to the aid of one of the members of the Albert

family? It is me coming to the aid of a citizen who was terrified and scared for him and his family on the night who happened to be Chris Albert.

You indicated that either they made a threatening comment to you or a disparaging comment to you about I don't give a fuck, correct?

Correct. Isn't it true that what was actually said was you said to them, I don't know who you are, but I'm going to make your life miserable.

eligible no michael lank connected with the alberts connected with karen reed he is one of the first to show up at sandra birchmoor's apartment when there is a wellness check called he is one of the few officers that finds her deceased body and starts the investigation into sandra birchmoor's death now speaking of the albert family kevin albert was additionally one of the few at the scene of sandra birchmoor's investigation but he was at the scene much later so he did not discover Sandra Birchmore's body he was actually not a big key role in the investigation but he did go to the apartment complex

to gather CCTV data which they see clearly that another officer was at the scene yes Daniel Whitley is a paramedic he is also another connection he's one of the first paramedics on the scene for Sandra Birchmore he's also the paramedic that drove karen reed to the hospital after she was sectioned 12th he's also carrie roberts's neighbor when carrie robert hosts a neighborhood block party he brings the fire truck because he's a firefighter paramedic he brings the fire truck to the block party now what's interesting is in part of his testimony for the karen reed case a lot of netizens think this guy

just just does not like karen reed people don't understand why all of these law law enforcement officers have so much hatred and vitriol for karen reed without even really understood first of all if you're a law enforcement officer and you look at this case because a lot of people have pointed out why is it that all police officers from across the nation have not come in support of john o 'keefe and this trial because if you are talking about a police officer that has been murdered by their girlfriend every single cop in the entire nation is going to be posting about it on facebook every when a cop

goes down every the blue wall stands strong every other cop is posting about it doesn't matter if you've never met that cop you're posting about it on facebook and you're saying people the cops are not across the not a lot i mean you have the boston police force they showed support briefly initially when john o 'keefe was first deceased and then you had a few local officers you have the canton police that have rallied around but but definitely nothing like what you would imagine, especially a case of this high profile.

I would understand if maybe it's not a high profile case and these cops just haven't heard of it, but I would think everyone from the NYPD all the way to the LAPD would be posting about it.

Why is it that they're not?

Is it because they're looking at it and going, oh, this is a weird investigation.

But it seems like every single person that goes on the stand doesn't feel that way.

In fact, it seems just like they hate Karen Reed.

It's like they have a predisposed condition to hate her.

when Daniel Whitley is talking about what he witnessed in the ambulance he does admit that Karen Reed was a wreck which is pretty on par with what you would imagine someone going through a traumatic incident however he says quote she was crying about having to take care of kids saying she couldn't do it and I was saying you can do this it's not as hard as it seems which again doesn't really seem that motivating but he continues she kept saying I can't take care of these kids they're not my kids they're not his kids I was saying well it seems like you have a good support system people who came

and helped you in a blizzard to help you find your husband and she said she asked me if i knew carrie roberts i said i did and she said anybody who knows carrie roberts wouldn't say those things and that kind of took me aback a bit it seems strange to say something like that after you were just crying because your husband was dead wait can we break that down for a second yes i feel like that was packed what does that mean he's saying you've got a strong support system you've got this and okay karen reed she unprompted does say do you know carrie roberts he's like yeah i do she says well if you

know carrie roberts you wouldn't say that however i feel like i'm on karen reed's side with this so is karen reed saying that karen roberts is not a great support system no and i agree because she's telling her to shut the up the whole time yeah i mean what what is so wrong about that i i don't understand and i he's saying in the moment when you're crying about your deceased husband it doesn't make sense however i feel like there have been times where i mean i don't know the level of distraught or grief that any type of situation like this has never occurred in my life thankfully but i feel like

i do make dark comments like that yeah it's just very realistic this is life what are you talking about you're not here trying to get motivational right now this is life especially in the moment when you are in this dark of a place and someone says well chin up buttercup up you're not gonna go okay thanks like that's very small talk i feel like you're in a state where you're very realistic you're like absolutely not i have no support system i can't do this i can't do anything in life what are you talking about do you even know who you're talking about that's the vibe karen reed gives me but he's

on the stand like it's just weird it's just weird he testifies the only tone i can use to describe it is snarky it just seems that he does not like karen reed and he is one of the very first paramedics at the scene for sandra birchmore yes trooper nicholas garino was a commonwealth witness for both the first and second trial he is a digital forensic specialist that's what he calls himself he says he went through all of john o 'keefe's data extracted from his phone the main takeaways from his testimonies include the fact that i think he doesn't know what he's talking about i think he's shady why

for one he states states that the house longed to die in the cold search for Jennifer McCabe.

He didn't find that on Jennifer McCabe's phone on Cellbrite, which doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense because all the other Cellbrite experts, they're like, you pull the data from Cellbrite just because she deleted her Google search. You're talking about Cellbrite.

Most law enforcement agencies use Cellbrite.

If you can Google something, delete it, and then it doesn't show up, why would law enforcement agencies use Cellbrite?

His excuse to that is, well, I was using an an unupdated version of sell bright when i extracted her data and everyone's like that doesn't make sense he also claims that he didn't find the numerous phone calls that jen mccabe made to john o 'keefe that night and then later deleted remember how jen mccabe is like yeah i was waiting for him outside or looking out the window waiting for him to come in i was texting him a few times well after that she makes numerous phone calls to john o 'keefe and all of them go unanswered and And then she deletes them.

Why would she delete them?

Because it doesn't make sense.

If they did drive away and she was like, Oh, I thought they got into a fight.

So I just, I let it go.

Why would she call?

The netizen theory is that they had allegedly something to do with his demise and they couldn't find his phone.

So she was calling it to hear it ring so that they could find his phone.

Wow. He didn't find any of those either.

I don't know what he's looking for because he's not finding anything.

he also claims that you can sometimes trick your phone that you walked up and down stairs because remember john o 'keefe's phone indicated that he took multiple steps like about 80 steps which would have led them straight to the front door side door of 34 fairview and then went up and down three flights of stairs he says well you can kind of trick your phone to do that which a lot of people including anonymous apple employees take it with a grain of salt online have later disputed but likely due to strict company policies they can't really tell you outright but they express expressed disbelief

in the comments that he's making he's like yeah i mean a lot of these apple employees are saying maybe in 2012 but you're talking 2022 no you're not gonna trick your phone of going up and down the stairs by driving up a hill so best case scenario is he is a complete useless incompetent quote -unquote expert yes okay so that's the complicated thing about karen reed's case everyone uses the straw man theory where they just compile every single thing and bubble it to you know when people argue online and you're like can you have a little more nuance yeah that's kind of the thing with this the argument

is not every single person can be that corrupt it doesn't make sense it's not corrupt some people are just incompetent and it's just together yeah it's a mixture of corruption and incompetence and then it's combined and it creates this it's not that every single person is in on a so -called cover -up it just seems like some people have no idea what they're doing and you can't really tell which one this is one of the guys you can't really tell which one it is i mean there's a few this guy trooper paul you're gonna be like i don't think he's part of a conspiracy i think there's no thoughts behind

this man's eyes okay uh state trooper but this one it's hard to say with carino it's hard to say and the timing of the fact that he didn't find the house long to die in the cold search is interesting considering if they had that information for the first grand jury if they were privy to these details they probably would have been less likely to indict karen reed all those deleted calls from jen mccabe the house long to die in the cold i don't know if a grand jury would have indicted karen reed right it just makes trooper garino look like a very shaky witness in the karen reed case side note i

will say that trooper garino has gone viral because whether intentional or not there is a break he was the one that had to read all of john o 'keefe and karen reads messages out loud in court okay and at one point there's a break during the reading of the text messages between john and karen he sighs he leans back but the mic is clearly still on and he whispers kill me to himself which has since gone viral with most people feeling a twinge of sympathy towards him except for the fact that can Can you even trust a single thing that this guy says when he has also worked on the Sandra Birchmore case?

After Sandra Birchmore's death, Canton PD had the state police come in to investigate.

Trooper Guarino is a trooper.

He's a trooper troll.

Trooper Guarino, being on the team, he states that he did not find a single message between Matthew Farwell's phone to Sandra Birchmore.

Matthew Farwell turned in his phone.

That is so shady. Come on.

I didn't find a single message, which would which would make you think, OK, Farwell is is not as involved as the internet likes to think that he is then correct incorrect the second the feds take a look at this case they uncover 32 709 messages between the two between december 2019 to february 2021 that's just what a year and a half like two years what's like the status of sandra birchmore now is it he's in jail and it's pending trial because of the feds right yes but But there's a trial that's happening.

Yes, he has pled not guilty.

That is crazy. So, you're just telling me, Trooper Guarino, that you just miss.

You don't even just miss one or two.

You miss 32 ,709 text messages.

Some of those text messages include the two of them talking about the first time Farwell r -worded Sandra Birchmore.

That is when Sandra would have been 15 years old.

He r -worded her. That is her very first experience.

And she happened to be a victim of a crime.

she texts him i had butterflies so bad the day you took my car like you know me too it was such a big day i still know the day to this day so she's saying i still remember the date to this day and this is how deep the grooming has gone he says really yes that's not a date i'll ever forget april 10th 2013 again very clear evidence that he essayed her when she was 15 you don't need a calculator to do the math.

Sandra writes, best day of my life, heart emoji.

Me too. Then later, Matthew Farwell texts her, if I pushed, I absolutely could have effed you without condoms from day one.

Sandra Birchmore responds, probably if you really pushed it.

I was kind of scared to say no in the beginning, not knowing how you would take it.

So yeah, you probably could have gotten using no protection, lol.

More alarmingly, this police officer who has already committed these crimes.

When Sandra is of age, now that she's an adult, he asks her to engage in acting during intimate relations.

He says that he wants her to have intimate relations with him while pinning her down and fake r -wording her.

He wants Sandra to say, quote, will you say, Matt stop, I'm 13, I'm not ready for this, oh my god, please stop.

This is insane. He also texts her numerous times to pretend that he is an older brother coming into her room at night to have intimate relations with her that she does not want to consent to.

Even that's not enough for this sick walking disease that likes to call himself a police officer, likes to call himself a man or a human.

He texts her a whole lengthy conversation about how he wishes she would have told him sooner that she was interested in him because he would have totally essayed her a year prior when she was 13, 14 years old.

Even after all of that, when Sandra is of age he will ask her to meet up in Costco parking lots, five guys parking lots to have intimate relations while he's on the clock for Stoughton PD.

He also texts her, quote, I'm going to sneak away from work real quick, quote, yes, I will be on the clock.

If this is not already a steaming pile of motivations for Matthew Farwell to kill Sandra Birchmore, that just goes over the trupers' heads.

There's also these messages.

Sandra Birchmore texts Matthew Farwell a poster board that she made that reads, congrats, we're going to be parents, to which Matthew Farwell responds, I literally have nothing to say right now how could you express that in text when i said i don't appreciate it he responds how far are you regardless of how far we're keeping it okay we will need to talk then no that's obvious i'm mad at how you're acting over a choice we both made i'm mad you act like you gave anyone a choice oh so you didn't have a choice per usual you make and do whatever you want this is coming from the r -word that r worded

her when she's 15. he says you are truly according to the feds sandra's diaries also indicate as well as text messages indicate that matthew farwell would punish sandra birchmore ever since she was a kid for things like getting bad grades for failing to share her cell phone location data he would punish her with really rough essay when she was young he also details his ideal situation which would be her pretending to be 13 or 14 years old and he says quote you can say no and make me take it full r word. after an in -person meeting, sandra text matthew farwell, it made me really uncomfortable and stressed

out and scared when you were next to me because i thought you were going to hit me after you said what you said and took things out of my hand.

that's why i was crying.

i know you wouldn't but it still scared me.

which makes sense because this guy is very scary.

a federal search warrant of his devices also found that he liked lots of memes involving necrophilia.

again a detective he liked one that reads what does a pulse and a destination of intimate relations have in common i don't care if she has either he doesn't care if a woman reaches a destination or dead or if she has a pulse dead yes like dead another one he likes says when she says choke me daddy and you get carried away and now she's dead another one that reads if you fuck a corpse on a waterbed it feels like they're participating.

a report from the feds reads that he also liked a meme that reads quote glorifying a person who kills and essays someone no one will miss.

another one shows a woman with a piece of duct tape over her mouth and again this is a police detective a woman with a piece of duct tape over her mouth and it reads duct tape turning no no no into since 1942 a police detective a month before sandra birchmar is found dead she's texting matthew farwell trying to compromise knowing that he has a family which side note he R worded her for the first time a month before he got married to his wife the mother of his three children she was 15 so this is not a situation where it's like oh I know you have a family I don't care clearly sandra texts him you

don't have to sign the birth certificate if they can have your name and I won't move to Staunton, I won't bitch about holidays, but I would like you to come a few days before Christmas and Easter so you can see what they get from me and I don't want you to leave them out.

And three, if you want to try and support them we can talk about that, but I do want you to see them I feel like I'm trying to be as fair as I can and I want you to be there for the labor I'm standing my ground on that one for sure.

Okay, we can discuss this more in person It's a lot to think about, it's so much more than you have ever asked for sandra birchmore sadly responds and still less than what any other girl would ask for just two weeks before sandra's death adding more motivation into the mix if you can even fathom that one of sandra's friends calls him into the stoughton police department to report matthew farwell for essaying her as a teenager he texts her dude your fucking friend call my job sandra what the fuck wait another friend said that uh matthew essayed yes the friend no oh sandra so sandra had told and I

think the friend is like okay Sandra you don't see how alarming this is this is not normal he can't be a police officer call Stoughton PD and he's texting her upset and Sandra just text question mark he says you told me that no one knew about us yet she claimed we were fucking like you have no idea how bad what she did is I literally can't believe this is even real life like what else do I have to worry about now which other friend will do something tomorrow and just a few days before her murder there are text messages proving that Sandra went to Walmart to get a copy of her apartment keys as

is requested by matthew farwell text messages to sandra's friends from sandra indicating that matthew farwell came over to scope the bathroom all of these are messages that are seemingly missed by trooper garino initially how does garino still have a job after that yeah well i i don't know i mean to say the least yeah like Like, the guy should be locked up too for...

In our opinion. I mean, how do you miss any of that?

Or just one message alone is enough to put that guy, you know, in prison.

As they say though, you cannot be fired from the police force for incompetence.

You have to be fired for, like, brute, over -the -top corruption, which is hard to prove because you can always argue corruption is just incompetence.

Yeah. All of these messages are seemingly missed.

Trooper Guarino's explanation for that is that Matthew Farwell already told him that the messages between him and Sandra Birchmore were deleted from his phone, so he didn't really take it as a big red flag.

He just kind of goes with it.

Which even then, a digital forensic specialist should know that that doesn't mean deleted, right?

Deleted does not mean deleted when you're a law enforcement officer additionally he pulled extractions from sandra birchmore's computer which shows thousands of communications between them it also includes matthew farwell googling and deleting quote can deleted i message be recovered by sell bright which sounds very similar to how long to die in the cold and then another one quote can you revoke consent in massachusetts sits both of which he has deleted but the jurors for karen reed's case don't know any of this when trooper guerrino is testifying just like they don't know about the fbi investigation into

the investigation of john o 'keefe's death because auntie bev has ruled against it there will be no mention of it she states testimony about unrelated death investigations andrew birchmar would result in a trial within a trial with much information being inadmissible confidential or or offered without a proper foundation.

Elizabeth Little argues that the parallels in these cases couldn't be clearer.

Both cases involve a failure to investigate a law enforcement officer who should have been a suspect.

The reports by investigating officers that led to the improper clearing of Farwell go directly towards the credibility of these officers.

But alas, regarding any information regarding Sandra Birchmore is not allowed into Karen Reed's trial.

One criminal justice journalist states, understatement of the century, but Massachusetts has a serious problem with murder investigations involving police suspects witnesses and leads so they can't bring it up so the second trial the the defense they just completely forego a cross -examination for trooper garino they don't even touch it but the the internet goes crazy they don't even touch it they go we have no questions sergeant john fanning before this case sandra birchmar's case gets taken over by the feds it It goes from Stoughton PD to Canton PD.

Well, Stoughton really didn't do anything.

Canton PD to MSP. And they decide that maybe we are going to investigate Matthew Farwell, the state police.

They're like, okay, let's look into him.

Who is John Fanning?

John Fanning is a lieutenant of the Massachusetts State Police.

Okay, another trooper.

Yes, but he's going to be connected.

Just you wait. He's going to be leading the investigation into Sandra Birchmore's death.

He's like, Garino, pull the text messages.

he's like i couldn't find any and so he's like okay let me investigate what's going on now what do they do do they investigate farwell for potential murder no they investigate him for larceny in other words they're going to investigate him for stealing taxpayer money as there is proof that he was saying sandra while he was quote on patrol they're not investigating him for essaying sandra they're investigating him for having intimate relations with her when she is of age while getting paid at work why is that more easier on the charges i guess it's better than not investigating matthew farwell

at all and this is a pretty slap on the wrist charge hopefully doesn't look as bad yeah even when people are lining up calling in to say hi i'm sandra's friend and she told me that matthew farwell put her in a headlock and snatched her phone from her and stated quote i wish you would die i want nothing to do with this baby but he he says, larceny.

And that when she showed him a sonogram, he pushed her to the ground and said, that's not my child.

I want nothing to do with you.

He says, larceny. That's crazy.

He believes that Sandra Birchmore has self -exited.

He said, based on the physical evidence, personal notes discovered, as well as the medical examiner's findings and medical determination, she self -exited.

He writes in his report about Sandra Birchmore that yes, Trooper Guarino did eventually, eventually discover text messages between Farwell and Sandra Birchmore but really all it did was indicate that there was a sexual relationship between them.

However, Sandra communicated often with friends and family and it appeared that Sandra had sexual relations with other men in the months leading up to her death.

There were no threats of harm by any of these individuals including Matthew Farwell.

Side note, all of this is happening after Matthew Farwell was caught lying to state troopers about his relationship with Sandra.

First, he told them that they only started having relations after she was of age and they've only had relations a few times and the last time that they've been intimate was a long time ago, which is all entirely false.

And the troopers should have discovered that very quickly on.

And I do want to say, just like the Karen Reed case, why does every trooper have a problem with the victims?

Why does every trooper have a problem with really anyone that's not law enforcement?

Because the way that everyone is saying that, well, Karen Reed was snarky.

Karen Reed was this.

It's just like these snide side comments that are are just weird to come from law enforcement officers who are supposed to be objectively investigating a case when the canton police write their report on sandra birchmore they dog on her apartment for being messy they're like looks like nobody's cleaned it in months i remember yeah but you know what's interesting about fanning in his free time this guy belongs to a group chat michael proctor yes the no nudes yeah group chat yes a year after sandra birchmore's murder michael proctor texts no nudes yet and he was part of that group chat he's actually

a supervisor for michael proctor as well as yuri buchanek is and so is tully fanning was investigated briefly by the msp office of professional integrity and accountability which sounds like a make -believe department but he's briefly investigated over what's his department it's the msp office of professional integrity and accountability that's fucking crazy yeah it's like if we had a department of silence and peace and quiet it just okay doesn't mix that's what they have he's investigated and it he says that he didn't see the text message and the investigation shockingly ends with quote insufficient

evidence to either prove or disprove if john fanning failed to reprimand proctor as a super supervisor do all of these people still have their job like has anybody received any punishment or yes so michael proctor is fired but he will get he he's appealing that gary buchanek is put on desk work as well as atf brian they're both put on desk work what does that mean desk work means you're not on the field yeah you're just doing some administrative paperwork until usually this is what this means in the law enforcement world you're on the desk until everybody online shuts the fuck up about this case

and then you can go back and do your job or not do your job which is what you were doing in the first place so nothing nothing he did lose five vacation days as well oh i know wow brian toly has been transferred to a different department again could easily be transferred back they made it sound like it was a big deal it doesn't sound like it's a big deal at all it seems like the only one that has a big deal is michael proctor which he might even get his job back and this guy shannon burgess which we're going to get into in a little bit he's not even a law enforcement officer okay what does purple

mean again purple just means important but not like uh okay yes now fanning claims that he never saw those group chat messages of the no nudes yet and to be fair there is no proof that he ever responded but it's still it's still i there's no proof that we know of however there there is another strange incident during Karen Reed's trial.

The defense, they know of Fanning.

They know of his connection to Sandra Birchmore's case.

They know of his connection to Trooper Proctor's text messages.

They know. They don't like Fanning, clearly.

And Fanning, just like Trooper Proctor, should have no connection with how this trial proceeds forward. Just as how Buchanek, who is also part of the group chats, he was in the group chats, he is a witness, but he should not be touching this trial.

He should not be facilitating anything in this trial, right?

Because that would be crazy.

crazy there is a strange incident during karen reed's trial where a juror a juror is dismissed and according to a netizen comment who worded it as simply as possible because it gets a little convoluted an anonymous person is outside and they hear a juror talking about the case how do they know it's a juror i don't know maybe the juror said i'm a juror on the karen reed case i have no clue but an anonymous person is like i heard a juror talking about the case i'm gonna go report it to to this random person john fanning a trooper am i going to report it to adam lally am i going to report it to auntie

bev no i'm going to report it to this random trooper john fanning well lieutenant john fanning who then is going to tell a court officer then that court officer is going to go tell auntie bev who's going to question the juror the juror is going to deny the accusation shouldn't say i never what are you talking about but the juror is ultimately dismissed shady huh why would an anonymous person we don't know who they are report it to lieutenant fanning of the massachusetts state police they don't report it to michael morrissey's office they don't report it to auntie bev they don't report it to a court

officer they don't report it to adam lally why wouldn't they just go straight to a court officer themselves the defense has asked the court to get more information from john fanning about this whole incident but that is is denied by auntie bev attorney jackson actually pops off on auntie bev saying we were told that he was the commander of the extensive security operations in this case it's reasonable to conclude from that statement that fanning was either directly in charge of or in charge of the jurors which the court is now telling me he wasn't we reasonably concluded that this doesn't make

any sense that he's saying it doesn't make sense okay we were never allowed the opportunity to find out exactly what his role was because the court refused our request at the time here's what we know about lieutenant fanning he's among the troopers that one of michael proctor's supervisors that was included in the text chain when trooper proctor said he was going through my client's phone looking for nudes he's the source to whom something was reported about juror misconduct and when you couple those two things together it's unreasonable to conclude that he was at least you know within the orbit

of security operations governing the jurors like what does he have to do with the jurors yeah yeah yeah that's weird it's like even when when the diddy case you guys are doing yeah if there's something suspicious or something like that you report it to the court you report directly to the authority not to a state police what it's very weird yeah very weird weird i mean if you ask john fanning if auntie bev was like okay attorneys asked john fanning and he's like yeah it was my neighbor and they didn't know who else to tell and they were just telling me because they thought it was weird but they

didn't know the rules even that would be weird because of his position in all of this and the juror denied it i feel like it would still require further investigation especially on the defense part but the fact that auntie bev won't even allow the questioning is bizarre is bizarre and the defense says there was no evidence presented at the time as the court knows there was no declaration there was no report there was no supporting documentation whatsoever over the defense's objection that is you know very also this juror is potentially defense friendly right seems to show a lot of likeness for the defense

team during the trial to which auntie bev is like well he doesn't have any charge over the so move on that's all she says jackson asks for proof and she says we're gonna move on and it's so bizarre that a lot of the comments read she has already decided beforehand that she was going to interrupt him and say moving on every time she has no answer she shuts attorney jackson down and says let's move on let's move on what about the issue at hand what do you mean let's move on which at the very least this guy just does not deserve to have a job in my opinion john fanning let alone in police work but it's

just suspicious that in both cases that fanning is involved with that the state troopers report there's nothing weird about this case at all side note that's another thing that the feds pointed out was crazy is that a lot of sandra birchmore's family have come forward to say hey we did find something suspicious at her house so after the police cleared out of her apartment we had to go clean her apartment and we found her favorite necklace her prized necklace which is this necklace with a chain and a pink pink flamingo it was on the ground with clumps of hair why would it be on the ground with clumps

of hair they're telling the authorities i'm telling you this is weird right the feds look at the crime scene photos which obviously have not been released for obvious reasons but they say what's even more alarming is that that necklace was not on the ground that necklace was on sandra birchmore's body in the crime scene photos it was broken and it was hanging dangling off of her neck with clumps of hair do any of these people put that in their reports no you know what they put in their reports quote trash and clumps of cat fur on the carpet indicating that it had not been cleaned or vacuumed in some

time wow when the troopers later are asked about the security footage where you can clearly see matthew farwell i mean he's a tall guy as well he's got a very very specific build.

It's him. His car rolled up to the apartment.

It's him. They are very cautious with their wording, stating the man is a male believed to be Matthew Farwell.

One of the state officers working this case used to be a former Stoughton police officer, which Matthew Farwell is a Stoughton officer.

Yuri Bukenik had spent a lot of time in Stoughton.

I believe he lived there at one point.

So there's a lot of connections with these small towns.

Do they mean anything?

do they not mean anything i don't think any single person online would be putting these weird dots together being like oh they all lived in the same town as something nefarious except for the fact that they are all conducting themselves like weird villains yeah but following sandra birchmore's death it seems maybe the only police department that maybe a little bit did something well i don't even want to give them that much praise but the Stoughton police they did place Farwell firmly on administrative leave very quickly um I think Stoughton PD does have a female police chief like one of the first

female police chiefs some netizens were saying well maybe it's that some are saying well no she still sucks it really depends but at the time apparently Farwell went to a bar with a local co -worker he goes to this local bar with a co -worker I mean and during that meeting he tells tells the coworker that he did have intimate relations with Sandra Birchmar. However, at no point during that conversation did he express any grief, sadness, or remorse about her passing.

In fact, he told that person that he was very angry with the MSP for looking into him.

He also participated in a joke at one point, I don't know why there's a joke to begin with, about the fact that she was found on a closet door.

I guess a bunch of officers were laughing at it.

He was telling a buddy?

Yeah. Another police?

police he was like yeah i mean i did have intimate relations with her and he expressed no grief that she passed and then he's like but i'm just kind of pissed off that these troopers are looking into me and the buddy reported this yes and yet fanning and the troopers find zero evidence that could point to sandra birchmore's death as being anything but a self exit meanwhile the feds say i mean this is literally crazy it's right there not only is it matthew farwell it's his twin brother also a police officer and their supervisor robert devine and all three of them have been involved in her life

since she was a young teenager and exploited her for nearly a decade the investigator for the feds who combed through a portion of the messages says he says he wanted to wash his eyes out with holy water after seeing some of those messages what happened to his twin brother and his supervisor i think they're all put on leave but i don't know if they've been arrested yet the state troopers they never caught that why would they usually there is a synergy in the courtroom that opposing counsel have and typically you would hope that the judge at least appears to be a neutral force in the courtroom

which is why we called father judge aroon father aroon because it was like a dad and his kids all fighting each other and arguing and then he's like okay kids calm down and i use that term specifically because he never showed favoritism which is a very important deal even if you are biased against or for the defendant you need a judge that does not show favoritism to one side or the other because that could cause appellate issues that could cause justice issues it's a big problem we have no clue what's going on with the three groups of people if they actually like each other but usually there

is this synergy that's supposed to be preserved people think that's not happening in this case that is not happening in this case there is one viral moment where karen reed she is sitting at the defendant table and um it's It's gone viral.

She's sitting there.

Alan Jackson is passionately disagreeing with the judge about the verdict slipped.

Arguably the most important piece of paper during the entire trial.

The piece of paper that the jurors take back to the jury room to determine the fate of Karen Reed's, I don't know, entire life.

He says the fact that there's no box to check not guilty for lesser charges or really most of the charges is absurd. Auntie Bev is saying, well, it's always been done that way.

if they find her not guilty they just don't check the guilty box and he's like that's crazy yeah you don't think that's crazy that is weird and she's just not hearing it anymore and perhaps karen reid smirks at the fact that her life is on the line on this singular sheet of probably an a5 piece of paper and she can't even decide what goes on there or maybe it's the fact that auntie beth clearly made up her mind prior to all of this because she's fighting with alan jackson and then eventually she's like we've always done it like this david yannetti who's a local attorney is like well i've never

seen it like that and then she's like well i don't care she just does not care she's like i don't care basically she's like well i disagree or maybe it's the fact that auntie Bev already made up her mind or i don't know what it is but also she's on trial for murder that she i mean in my opinion and also legally did not commit karen reed smirks smiles and auntie bev's head snaps in her direction this is funny miss reed the courtroom goes silent so we're done here and with that auntie bev storms out in an interview karen says that at one point she just wanted to ask auntie bev the judge is this a game

is this a game to you because she's like my life is on the line like is this a game auntie Bev also has a very unique way of running her courtroom she likes to sit right next to the witness in a black office chair and she will just swing side to side from her office chair like she's testing them out at staples she looks like she's in a meeting about what people want to do with the communal restroom towelettes if they want to switch them to a different brand or if they want to stay with Georgia Pacific that's the vibe she gives me in the middle of a witness testimony her mic is on it does not relay directly

into the courtroom but all the live streams can hear it and it's just okay mr yanetti okay mr jackson and it's just i mean i don't know what it is also another thing is father arun was very quick with with any objections during examinations.

If he overrules the objection, just a quick overruled, it's overruled, it's overruled.

Or a soft sustained, which is rephrase the question, rephrase the question.

Or a firm sustained, that was it.

Those were like the three, maybe four if he didn't know the grounds, so he would ask grounds and then they would tell them the grounds.

Auntie Bev, this is the new catchphrase out there, which is I'll allow it, I'll allow it.

Instead of overruled, it's I'll allow it.

That's her version of overruled.

And now everyone online has made a meme out of her.

They said, I'll allow it.

House long till I'll allow it.

Okay, which kind of sounds mean because she's technically just doing her job as a judge, but that's not what it feels like to netizens.

It feels like this judge just does not like the defense at all.

Not nearly as much as she likes the prosecution.

It feels like she doesn't like them even a tiny crumble.

Some netizens have noticed that the timing of her sighs are consistent with when the witnesses are caught in their own lies and the defense team goes down a list of questions that's going to rip them up more she's just sighing when the defense has really good points one netizen comments there she goes sighing again bev sighing yet again the judge is so biased she's always sighing when the defense is doing a cross oh bev your bias is showing again sometimes she'll sustain objections and not let the defense question witnesses on what netizens believe to be their right to a rigorous cross -examination to

to which a lot of legal experts online have even said, I don't understand why she's sustaining those freaking objections.

It doesn't even make sense.

I mean, it's probably causing a lot of appellate issues later on.

For example, when Carrie Roberts is caught in what can really only be defined as a lie about stating previously that she heard with her ears, heard Karen Reed ask Jen to Google how long to die in the cold, or well, hypothermia.

and now she's saying i misunderstood the question that was asked to me i actually never heard her ask jen mccabe that jackson is like so you lied auntie bev steps in and asks carrie was that a lie did you lie not intentionally and jackson is like but you did not intentionally okay and that's the end of that question all right is there any other question jackson or is that it to which a comment reads why does the judge keep saving these goddamn witnesses the lady lied if If you're a judge, you should want the truth from the witnesses.

During Brian Higgins' testimony, one netizen comments, the fact that the judge prevented questions regarding him destroying his phone is corrupt.

She was very careful about which questions she sustained, and a lot of them about him, I don't know, destroying his phone and throwing it away at a military base, a lot of them were sustained.

Questions would be asked, and he wouldn't have to answer to them.

Or there are other netizens that pick up small things, such as one netizen comment reads, reads judged and interrupt the prosecutors once during the direct let's see how often they interrupt the defense some netizens think it's less of that and more of she just looks so over it i mean sure someone's life is lost and another one's life is on the line but quote she's like the kid waiting for 4 p .m to hit to throw everyone out of the courtroom the way that when the work day is over this lady is done this lady is gone she's over it not a second more is it kind of crazy going straight from father of rooms

courthouse to this case yeah and i i mean i don't know because federal federal trials are not publicized as much but from what we could hear from a lot of the court officers judge arun is actually a little bit more of the patient ones federal courthouse judges are incredibly firm they're sharp they're crazy in a better word um And it seems like there is a difference between state judges and federal judges.

The way that Judge Arun, Father Arun would run circles on this woman either for breakfast, lunch and dinner without even lifting a single hair on his head or having a single bead of sweat on his glasses is kind of crazy.

And to know that they all oversee cases is a little intense and terrifying, especially this one.

and i'm sure there's a lot of incredible state judges but auntie bev just in my opinion is not one of them there's another particular moment that the internet has lost their minds over it's when the defense is questioning a witness auntie bev awkwardly reaches up towards her face and itches the side of her cheek and after a little while the prosecution objects to the line of questioning auntie bev quickly gives a big smile and says okay i'll see the attorneys at the side bar people think that's a sign that she had for the prosecution that's how biased people believe her to be and that's how crazy

they think this trial is and it is weird it is suspicious it appears the only time the majority of netizens have agreed with auntie bev is a crash daddy right here crash daddy that's what netizens call him he's a crash expert witness for the defense he He actually worked for the FBI, but the jurors were not allowed to know that.

They were hired. ARCA is the company that he works for.

And we're going to talk about it in a second.

They were hired by the FBI. They concluded that John's injuries were not a result of a car accident.

He's the defense expert.

And people call him Crash Daddy because out of, well, just look at all these people.

He is conventionally very attractive.

He's very sharp. He's very smart, intelligent.

And he does not seem to hold a bias one way or the other, even though he is testifying as a defense witness.

he's also very intelligent in the sense that he does not get triggered on the stand when the prosecutors come at him for all sorts of gnarly things and he's got dimples so a lot of people have called him crash daddy and they have a crush on him now there is this moment where he walks in to be sworn in and auntie bev she's sitting in her swivel chair she's swiveling and she is eating this man alive with her eyes no way yeah no way and the comments read the only time auntie bev and i have been on the same page this entire journey another comment reads i'll allow it another comment reads she got

no eye contact but she was chasing it it seems like she was into him in fact the prosecutors fought really hard to make sure this man does not hit the stand because his His juror appeal is pretty high.

Like I said, he does not seem to hold a strong bias.

He's very competent.

He knows what he's talking about.

And a lot of people say he's easy on the eyes.

I wouldn't know. I'm married.

But the prosecutors really did not want him on the stand.

Auntie Bev allowed it.

She'll allow it. And people think there's only one reason she allowed it.

Yeah. I mean, that is pretty crazy, though.

Someone that credible to say that it wasn't a car crash?

Yes. Then what else are we arguing here?

It's not even just him.

it's also um honorable crash daddy dr rent he's also part of arca people love him as well so they brought multiple experts two of the experts yes and they all say it's not a car yes but the the prosecutors bring their own experts oh yeah you're gonna have a field day one that is in comment reads i understand why people suspect auntie bev is corrupt but i find it difficult to accept it only because she's known that the feds are investigating this case i feel like she simply has too much to lose by doing anything illegal to support the da and the mcalberts but at the same time the netizen feels

like if she truly has no undisclosed hidden secret conflict of interest it just would be weird her conduct is unexplainable it's just weird when you factor in that she used to be a criminal defense attorney along with her brother and her dad so why the favoritism for the da who's brought murder charges based on what is at best the shabbiest car crash investigation since the invention of the internal combustion engine it just doesn't make sense does she just want to see karen reed railroaded out of sheer spite could she hate alan jackson that much for no apparent reason is she somehow unaware that reed

is likely innocent of the homicide charges i just don't get it to which another netizen comments.

I think her and the DA's office, Michael Morrissey, which by the way, her mom, Auntie Bev's mom, and Michael Morrissey's family have history.

We don't know how deep that history, but they work together briefly.

They comment, I think her and the DA's office have an understanding for a long time that they can force the outcome that they wanted in previous cases, which is pro -prosecution because it's the DA's office.

Kind of like we run the hen house, if you will.

Never get questioned, never had to answer for anything, and basically just did things their way, which I believe was was the slam dunk plan in this case as well until it wasn't now i think it's just an attempt to save face and try to act like everything is still the status quo and avoid backing down so as to not look like you're admitting to some prior shenanigans there have been other connections made in this case of i mean not the strongest ones but kind of which is there are messages between sean mccabe This is Matt McCabe's brother.

Matt McCabe is Jen McCabe's husband.

Matt McCabe's brother had reached out to Turtle Boy, who is an investigative reporter and influencer that has been honestly breaking this case from the get -go.

I do think that a lot of people have strong feelings either for or against Turtle Boy.

I think he's a very divisive...

His name is Turtle Boy?

That's his online content creator name.

Aiden Kearney is his...

i don't know if it's his government name but that's his name but um i think he's a polarizing character and sometimes that works being an internet personality he is very passionate in what he believes in and some people think that that passion can go two degrees too far and i think it really depends on where you draw the line of what do you call witness intimidation if you go to jen mccabe's kids lacrosse games to go confront jen mccabe while live streaming and shoving a camera in her face and saying why do you google how long to die in the cold some people say slay some people say that feels

like witness intimidation so it really depends there are other things that people have called into question about how he's went about reporting on this case all i know really is that he was one of the first people to break the case i think with that i think that's the hard part is he was one of the first people to even get attention on this case nobody really cared about this case much everyone was like oh she killed her cop boyfriend okay moving on i see and then he was like no i think something's weird did he get too passionate i guess that's subjective i guess that's up for you to decide but sean mccabe

reaches out to turtle boy jen mccabe's brother -in -law and there are messages between sean mccabe and turtle boy which side note I will say some of the discourse surrounding Turtle Boy I do think some of it is warranted the other parts I don't think are warranted is a lot of people give him a lot of flack for reaching out to people that might be involved in this case including Sean McCabe and they they kind of yell at him for doing it which I think is weird because a lot of the mainstream reporters are not doing it and he's doing it and just because he doesn't work for this big legacy media outlet

doesn't mean that he is not as committed to finding out the truth as any of these big major networks are i think this case is especially frustrating because who do you even trust there's nobody you can trust yes nobody to call everyone's like working on the same team but i think where people thought he took it too far was he would do these um roll calls where he would drive through everyone that was involved in front of their houses and use a bullhorn and people would consider that doxxing some people thought that there were children involved that i mean not children aka colin albert but other

children involved that may not have really been involved that are now being put in the crosshairs for this but other people say that well it's their parents fault it's really where you draw the line sean mccabe and turtle boy have a conversation where turtle boy asked do you really have a line to judge canoni which is auntie bev sean mccabe responds auntie bev this is where her nickname comes from because everyone was like judge canoni beverly canoni and then he's like auntie bev auntie bev it's like a nickname i guess like they know her personally he's like auntie bev whose seaside cottage do

you think we're gonna bury your corpse under he's asking turtle boy side note auntie bev does indeed have a seaside cottage that nobody knew about because you're not supposed to know where judges lived the defense team blows up the messages on a giant poster board which auntie bev hates when they do shit like this but i kind of think it's great for visual impact and is slightly a comedic effect if this case were anything other than what this case is about but auntie bev has to stare straight into those messages and there's no missing it jackson asks you know i'm getting old i may have appeared

before thousands of judges in my nearly 30 year career i've never known where a single one of them has ever lived or property that they may or may not have owned, but Sean McCabe appears to know or appears to intimate that he knows the details of this court's personal life and so does his family, which these messages are presented in court and Adam Lally.

Adam Lally is like, wait, hold on.

First of all, these messages are between two individuals that, quote, literally have nothing to do with this case.

They are divorced from the context in which this communication arises.

He's saying, whatever they're saying about Auntie Bev has nothing to do with Auntie Bev or really anything because we exist in a vacuum or as gallagher would say a leaf blower accompanying that though is a 2022 venmo payment from julie nagle who was at the house remember a company what i'm sorry the message from sean mccabe another blown up poster board is a venmo payment from julie nagle which was brian albert birthday brian's friend who was there that night and she testified oh yes i did see a black blob outside of 34 fairview when i was leaving i did see a black blob yes but she's like all

up in the mcalbert's family like she loves them would probably do a lot for them she sends a venmo payment and it was like auntie bev's cottage or something it was like bev's cottage beverly's cottage what like what at what time or what year was that 2022 so later in the year so it seems like they're still familiar with auntie bev but auntie bev is like first of all that's not how i spell my name and I've never rented out my Cape Cod cottage.

But people are like well it didn't have to be that you were renting it out they could have stayed there without paying could have been invited there and maybe they bought something and she was paying them back for that trip.

Clearly these conversations just don't help put faith in the justice system which is precisely why Alan Jackson the defense attorney for Karen Reed is asking for the judge Auntie Bev to recuse herself he makes it very clear he's not accusing her or even insinuating that she cannot be fair and impartial he just says only the court knows the answer to this question but the facts we presented unquestionably are such that the public might and that's the keyword the public might doubt in the court's fairness in some regard and that's all that's required for this court to do the right thing and step

aside from this case jackson also points out that auntie bev has this this strange tendency which he calls a routine practice of failing to act on defense motions in a timely manner.

Auntie Bev says, let me take a second to think about it.

And she takes 15 minutes, comes back to the bench, and she says, I've never socialized with McCabe or any family members or witnesses who have been here in court.

I reject the notion that untrue and unsubstantiated rumors spread on the internet can force a judge to recuse herself in a case.

And that doesn't underscore the fact that anybody can say or write anything and try to make it on the basis of a motion to recuse and i think it points out that this motion to recuse is not credible immediately afterwards the prosecution requests that the defense attorneys be placed under a gag order lally states he wants the defense attorneys to be prohibited by addressing the merits of the case within the media or using the media as a propagandist to advance its theory of its case to which david iannetti passionately stands up and he starts explaining the prosecutors were quite happy with the press

this case was getting when it was in their favor and their minions were out doing their work with the media we did not create this media circus the prosecution did does the prosecution think that if they stuff a gag in the mouths of karen reid's attorneys that these good reporters behind me are simply going to go away do they think the general public's just going to go away.

If you gag us, your honor, the extrajudicial conversation will not end.

If anything, it will only intensify.

The gag order is not issued.

But the whole thing is just leaving a bad taste in people's mouths, primarily because Auntie Bev isn't even supposed to be on this case anymore.

She was supposed to rotate.

So after the first trial, she's supposed to rotate to civil cases.

That's kind of how it works in the state courts in Massachusetts.

And she was supposed to go on that rotation.

But instead of rotating like it's normally done, she has decided to extend her her rotation to stay on this case that she's not getting favorable coverage on she's not getting fame or attention or even money on the contrary here so why won't she recuse herself or just pass it on to the next person why does she want to take on this case so badly the only connection netizens could find that were affirmative were well 30 years ago chris albert killed a man 30 years ago yes chris albert was driving when he rammed into the back of a man in a car named Peter Berger he rammed into Peter's car so hard

that Peter's car spun off the roadway hit a stone ledge killing Peter who was a Hungarian foreign exchange student Chris Albert does not stop to help he does not stop to call 9 -1 -1 he keeps driving which side note people think it's actually rich that they have such strong opinions about Karen Reid even if she did hit John O 'Keefe with her car I don't know if you're the one to be right throwing looks her way he does not stop driving he He does not stop to call 911.

He keeps driving, which triggers a 30 -hour police manhunt before he is finally arrested and sentenced to six months in prison.

Meanwhile, Peter's mother wrote a letter to the court saying, I feel numb.

This is a loss that will reflect the rest of my life.

My husband has lost his will to live.

Wait, how is that only six months?

Well, some say that he just had a spectacular attorney to get him off that lightly.

Who's his attorney?

His attorney is John Prescott Jr., who is Auntie Bev's brother.

prior to auntie bev getting married she was beverly prescott and some people argue well that was 30 years ago and it's her brother and they take on all sorts of cases are you friends with all of your clients i don't know but it seems like everybody's friends with the alberts but maybe it's just all a coincidence i will say the orbit of mcalbert has one too many bad drivers so you chris albert who killed a man in a hit and run you have tim albert who hit a parked car and fled the scene leaving a trail of transmission fluid straight to 34 tharevue he was not charged or even interviewed at canton pd

he just got a misdemeanor for it so there's that there are rumors that tristan morris caitlin albert's boyfriend was also involved in a hit and run though that has not been confirmed helena rafferty is the new police chief after chief berkowitz she resigned recently well sorry retired she retired recently because a lot of scandal has has been occurring over the fact that she hit an elderly man with her car an elderly man who was wearing a reflective vest is that confirmed or yes she hit him with her car while she is the chief yeah well i don't think it was when she was the chief but she hit him

with her car and then you have paul o 'keefe the brother of john o 'keefe and normally i don't really like to bring details like this into the orbit of the case.

I will say that a lot of netizens have deeper feelings for the O 'Keeffe family than I would suspect most would in typical cases where a victim's family is involved.

I think maybe it has to do with the fact that they have since shared a lot of strong words against Karen Reid.

I don't think that's really reason to hate them or dislike them to any extent, but there is the mention that Paul O 'Keefe got into an accident while striving under the influence and it is believed that Karen Reid helped pay for Paul's attorney fees and bail, helped him out of jail when that happened to him.

So there's just a lot, an overwhelming amount of bad driving incidents in this town, many of which, most of which, could have been entirely avoidable.

Now one of the biggest questions throughout this case has been if it's so obvious to netizens why isn't it obvious to the O 'Keeffe's that something is amiss here that they're going after the wrong person to get justice for their John O 'Keeffe.

Side note Karen will later say that she believes that it just hurt Peggy O 'Keeffe which is John's mom.

It seems like if anybody's the most involved it's Peggy O 'Keeffe which is John's mom and Paul O 'Keeffe which is John's brother.

John's dad seems to have taken a little bit of the back seat to this and Karen says john's dad and i got along really well it was actually the biggest betrayal that john's dad didn't believe her some netizens speculate and this is just speculation that maybe john's dad is like well maybe i do kind of believe her but i'm not gonna go against the family when all of this is happening i'm just gonna support my wife and my kids nobody really knows but as to why peggy o 'keefe might not have liked karen reed even from the get -go before john even passed she says she just was hurt by seeing another woman raise

her daughter's kids is karen reed's speculation to it some speculate that karen reed is definitely not the daughter -in -law that maybe some mother -in -laws would like she's very outspoken she's very intense she doesn't hold back when she thinks something's weird so some people think it's that others say well no i don't think she disliked her there's no proof that she disliked her before john's death but she does say karen reed does say so paul and peg john's parents so paul and peg if you think i killed john that means you misjudged me for two years and entrusted two young family members in my care then

in the blink of an eye you now think i'm a cold -blooded killer who took your son away she thinks it's weird that they automatically thought she had something to do with it i mean just questioning everything about her but never questioned why Brian Albert didn't go outside as paramedics try to save John.

She thinks it's weird that they don't question that.

As for why they don't, Karen says the only explanation she can think of is it's easier to fool someone than convince them that they've been fooled.

Maybe they're in too deep now.

Karen says about Paul O 'Keefe, he's seen during the trial just glaring her down most of the days.

And she says about that, you can't have no respect for someone and care about what they think.

I didn't do anything so you can stare at me and get an ulcer over your hatred toward me the o 'keefs never carried a pitchfork for me until I started getting support you didn't speak to any media now you're giving interviews you really just can't stand my rising from the ashes the only thing that changed is I started to come from a position of power fascinating Paul O 'Keefe has done an interview after the first trial in which he says we know what happened we know that John and Karen were arguing it was towards the end of their relationship they were drinking and arguing and fighting and in an intoxicated

state of rage and jealousy she just decided that she was going to do something about it put the car in reverse and ran him down and left him there to die she's pointing the finger at everybody everybody's lying except for her according to her and i think we had 68 witnesses testify and according to the defense they're all lying and they're all not credible i've gotten to know the alberts through this all very well and they're all good people so just because we don't believe in a crazy conspiracy theory and we believe that karen reed is guilty guilty of killing my brother people are taking it out

on us unfortunately if you pay high powered attorneys enough and put enough lies out there you start influencing people to the point where they there's just no turning back as for michael proctor paula keith says as for michael proctor's comments i mean he even said too they were unprofessional which we agree with but this guy's life has been ruined and this is where a lot of netizens started turning on paula keith which was something that should have never happened he's saying that michael proctor's personal phone should have never been searched and now his life is ruined even though those were unprofessional

comments and i think that's where a lot of people started turning on paul o 'keefe as for the mistrial paul o 'keefe says i guess we were obviously hoping and confident that we were going to get the conviction that we were looking for so as far as a mistrial yes it's something we didn't want obviously but it's just a bump on the road and like i said we'll do it it again we'll do it as many times as we'll have to i just want people to remember john and want him to get the justice he deserves and that we deserve and that is karen reed going to prison there are so many uncomfortable things about the first

trial like the fact that during the trial according to two jurors that have come out afterwards one of the jurors who happened to be a retired police officer told the other jurors i too had been hit by a car once they chose him him as the foreperson the juror in charge a retired police officer who had been hit by a car which is already kind of i don't even know how he ended up on the jury and if he told everybody that he had been hit by a car too i don't know how he wasn't dismissed which is so very weird also at the very last moment so the way that this worked in this trial is that the alternates

are chosen at the very last minute it's like a luck of the draw numbers game so basically they have how many 18 people yeah well people get dismissed throughout right so they have a bunch of jurors and you don't know who's the final 12 yes they will pick it at the very end yes now it's random and all the defense defense friendly jurors get chosen as alternates what are the odds what are the odds of that it's just weird it's weird then according to multiple jurors there was confusion in the deliberation room whether or not the jurors could declare a partial verdict meaning hey can we say not guilty

or guilty to some charges and then be hung on other charges that was a huge thing for the sean combs case for example it's like if you are hung on the rico verdict then everything else has a verdict and he will only have a mistrial on the rico charge which is clearly not what happened but that was the conversation when there was deliberations happening so that was the conversation between the jurors on this case they didn't really know what was going on but they said we all voted unanimously that karen was not guilty of second degree murder we were hung on the other charges like the manslaughter

charge we just couldn't agree so the most serious one that they're saying she's not guilty of that one for sure they expressed that to the judge or so they thought and the judge pretty quickly auntie bev is like okay so you guys are deadlocked on the the charges so i'm declaring a mistrial which means she's gonna get retried for all the charges including second degree murder the defense didn't know this until after the mistrial is declared a few of the jurors called the defense themselves and said something weird happened crazy okay to clarify basically she got charged a bunch different charges

yes the most serious one is second degree murder and the jurors say no she's not guilty on that one unanimously right the rest we're fighting we're fighting so the right thing to do is remove that for the next trial yes so just retry her for all the other charges manslaughter things of that nature but instead they did the whole thing again yes which the defense have tried to take to the superior courts as double jeopardy which means you cannot be charged for the same crime twice yes and they said to prove that we need to bring the jurors in and make sure that they unanimously voted because that's

what the jurors like five jurors have come out to us and said that's what they said so we need to bring in all 12 jurors and make sure and the judge was like i'm not doing that that's crazy i'm not doing that which has caused a mistrial that is why we have a second trial in this case and the court presence since I mean even during the first trial was intense it people I guess in a dark humor sense called it like a gender reveal party outside the courthouse you have a sea of people wearing pink in support of Karen Reid and blue obviously for blue for cops in support of justice for John O 'Keefe

which Karen Reid has expressed her confusion because justice for John O 'Keefe is not exclusive with supporting Karen Reid she believes that she is also fighting for justice for John O 'Keefe because he's not going to get justice unless whoever killed him is discovered and she's like that's not me so you're not getting justice by putting me in jail i don't understand others are saying no you did it so you need to go to jail and there has just been lots of people people are um outside the courthouse eight hours a day wearing t -shirts holding signs and they will live stream it outside the courthouse

put it on speakers and they sit there with lawn chairs they'll bring snacks coolers it's almost become a thing in boston massachusetts where you don't bring up karen reed's name at the dinner table because it's that divisive parents and children have stopped talking to each other friend groups have dissipated they said it's worse than talking about politics and paul o 'keefe hates that he says unlike most people accused for murder and sued for wrongful death karen reed has embraced her celebrity in outsized ways this intensive media campaign to influence potential jurors compounds the o 'keefe's

family's terrible loss while delaying and denying her accountability to which karen reed fights back anyone in my position who has been falsely accused would be shouting from the rooftops first of all i don't want to be here it can be the john o 'keefe show it can be the o 'keefe family reunion but if you think for a second that anyone has fought harder to find the truth about what happened to john and to enlighten everyone about what happened to john harder than me then you're wrong witnesses have expressed being terrified the mick alberts included they say they're being harassed they're being

followed by influencers that's what they call everyone to lacrosse games to be questioned on whether or not they googled how How long to die?

They're talking about Turtle Boy.

Also, Turtle Boy has been charged for witness intimidation.

Now, I do think, regardless of what people think about Turtle Boy, a lot of netizens agree.

I don't know if it goes into witness intimidation category.

I don't know. Okay, I don't know.

Maybe we should do a deep dive.

Probably not. It's just there has been so much developing in that sphere, but Brian Tully was the one to lead the investigation into Turtle Boy.

I think that's another reason that a lot of netizens are questioning whether or not he should have been charged.

Again, even if you think what he did is witness intimidation and witness harassment, the fact that Brian Tully is leading that investigation with such passion and fury that you did not see for the John O 'Keefe investigation makes netizens feel wary about the situation.

Yeah, it's crazy. That's why there's so much nuance to this case.

It's like you can dislike Turtle Boy.

You can love Turtle Boy but still disagree or agree with the investigation.

There's so many things.

The prosecutor also states, I mean, there's just so much going on there.

It's a lot. Karen Reed says, it's impossible for me to have any sympathy for these witnesses.

Definitionally, is it harassing witnesses?

Yes, they're witnesses against me and my prosecution and he is yelling things at them and he is going up to their front doors and ringing their bell.

Yes, but they shouldn't have been and witnesses.

They should have been suspects.

So it's not that cut and dry.

So there is that argument as well of like, is it witness intimidation and witness harassment if they're not really witnesses?

I mean, they're definitely not good witnesses.

I don't know where you draw the line of witnesses, but they're not good witnesses.

The Canton police officers have also reported feeling petrified, shaking in their boots.

One Canton officer says, no one in this town will care about us until one of us gets murdered.

Even then, half the town will probably celebrate that.

canton officers report that the department suffers significant pressure due to the proliferation of misinformation witness coercion and a lack of support from elected officials as per an audit into canton pd officers report that quote certain individuals referred to as influencers are spreading false narratives about officers involved in the o 'keeffe and birchmore cases without substantiating any evidence they operate without adhering to journalistic standards or rules of evidence don't talk to us about rules of evidence leaf blower gallagher solo cup gallagher okay rules of evidence gaining notoriety

by circulating unfounded narratives in pursuit of fame and viewership two things can be true at once i guess right but i don't think gallagher has any leg to stand on if he's the one saying that if netizens were already not side -eyeing auntie bev the day day before the second trial is to begin auntie Bev decides Karen's team can no longer point to Cal and Albert or anyone for that matter as their defense.

So when you bring your case in chief to the judge they have to approve it.

You can't just say I'm going to go in there and I'm going to say whatever I want to say to say that my client is not guilty.

You have to say this is our presentation of how we're going to go about things this is how we're going to prove it these are the witnesses that we're going to bring or a list of witnesses that we think we're going to call to the stand and they're important for these reasons and they help with these different arguments.

The day before poor auntie Bev is like, you're not doing that anymore.

The third party culprit defense, you're not doing it anymore.

The day before the second trial.

No reasons? She's just like, there's no proof.

So you can't point your finger at Colin Aubrey.

Or really any other third party.

So the defense has to switch gears.

And all they can focus on is corruption of the investigation, which to be fair, is not that hard to do.

But it is strange that it happened so quickly before the second trial.

The prosecutors bring in Hank Brennan he is a special prosecutor meaning he's not part of the DA's office he's not a prosecutor he's a criminal defense attorney he's brought in by the DA's office to act as a special prosecutor for this specific case you do this a lot when you are going into very niche fields you'll often see it with like I mean most really well equipped DA's offices have people that are very well versed in financial crimes a lot of like federal u .s attorney's offices have people that are well versed in financial crimes crypto but sometimes like those are the times you would bring

in like a special prosecutor when you're like whoa we're dealing with something that would take us a long time to even learn about the thing that we're dealing with yeah they bring him or you bring them in when you're going up against a very strong team that's why a lot of people thought that the diddy case they should have brought in a special prosecutor to go up against some of these these very high -powered criminal defense attorneys that have a lot of flair that have a lot of charisma on their side they bring in hank hank brennan i don't know if he was the one to bring in really i'm just gonna be

so real with you he is a very well -known well well well was a well respected criminal defense attorney prior to this case but you got destroyed lally sucked sucked and i say this like i think anyone on the internet that's like i could have done a better job than these people i find that to be really bad arguments most of the time because you don't really know what a prosecutor goes through it's frustrating yeah but sometimes i read comments online and i'm like i do think you could have done a better job than lally i do think so because i'm like i don't know what lally was doing but you your comments

make sense in my head yeah lally sucked hank brennan sucks less but he is so aggressive to the point of just coming off angry and hostile for no reason just aggressive just so mean for what i don't know for what why are you being like that that's the feeling hank brennan gives yeah it seems like there are a lot of netizens have psychoanalyzed that he has sour feelings that the defense team because he's a criminal defense attorney at the end of the day defense team they're getting a lot of star power lots of praise and people are making memes and thirst traps of them and he's just hanky spanky

and he's upset that he's hanky spanky the question ultimately is is hank brennan going to be worth it because between november of last year and june of this year the special prosecutor is getting paid more than five hundred thousand dollars in legal fees alone from taxpayers close to six six hundred thousand dollars five hundred sixty six thousand dollars in half a year yes and that's not even i mean first of all the taxpayers don't get a choice and that's not including all of the different experts that are paid the other prosecutors the paralegals all of the administrative fees that's just hank

brennan is getting paid nearly six hundred thousand dollars in half a year it's crazy so locals are mad because what about the other families that want justice this da's offices have budgets at the end of the day that they can spend on cases why are they blowing like a third of their budget on this case for a retrial that nobody asked for the defense team also adds new additions to their legal defense team and if you're wondering how can karen afford it she lost her job she lost her she sold her house is paying for it with her house got rid of her 401k is paying for that i mean she's like five

million dollars in legal debt technically i mean jackson and little alone said for the two trials typically for any other client they would have charged like 10 million dollars upwards but they are deferring their legal fees they haven't really gotten paid by karen reed all of the new attorneys have also come in pro bono wow that also feels like an indication of how they feel about her innocence victoria george is one of the more interesting additions to karen's legal team she's an employment lawyer so people thought that was weird why is an employment lawyer getting on this case victoria george

has very interesting insight to provide for karen's legal defense team it's the fact that she was on the jury for the first trial she became an alternate juror at the end but she was allowed on the jury because she's an employment lawyer she has she didn't know anything about the karen reid case what she was on the first jury how does that work yeah she was on the first jury and then afterwards she's like can i be on your team she called the defense team and had conversations about hey i'm telling you something was weird um and as an attorney as someone that upholds the legal justice system to

a very high degree i just thought you should know and there were first jokes about like you know you should be on the you're still licensed to practice right because at that point she wasn't practicing as much she has children and she was at home taking care of them and she was like i mean i technically i am still licensed to practice and they're like huh so then eventually she went on this case pro bono that is insane yes and she probably knows the case inside out too after the whole trial but more than that with the combs case as i've told you about a lot of people spend a lot of money hiring

jury consultants which are attorneys who will just tell you what rings well with jurors she's been a juror she can tell you what hit well and what didn't that's so crazy wow she says if i as a lawyer am too afraid to stand up for what i believe in who will what happened to john o 'keefe was a tragedy but just because something is sad doesn't mean that the person in the defendant's seat is responsible i can feel bad for his family and believe that she's not guilty at the same time then you have Robert Alessi everybody loves Robert Alessi this defense team is fascinating it's people love this defense

team I think with the Diddy Case dream team yes maybe a bigger dream team more high -powered dream team than Karen Reed's legal defense team but they were not as lovable like they were charismatic matic but it was always with an undertone of like oh gosh oh no but this team people love this team i mean there are thirst traps for this team every single they love them robert alessi is a new york based attorney so he's in boston for the whole second trial for this and interestingly enough he is a very random addition as well considering his legal background is primarily in the environmental financial

law field in new york city so why is he suddenly in boston fighting a murder trial.

It has been reported that his daughter asked him to look into the case and that he was looking into it and he's like, oh, wait a minute.

I know David Yannetti.

He and I are besties.

So then David Yannetti ends up calling him and is like, I need some advice.

I need advice. You were a great trial attorney.

Tell me something. And then he says, you know what?

I want to join pro bono. So he goes in getting paid nothing as well.

Now, I know some people that are cynical are going to say, well, most law firms do require attorneys take on a certain percentage of pro bono cases.

However, however, let's live in this land for a second, okay?

I like this land. There are also nine law clerks that joined the team for the second trial.

They are also working pro bono for free.

Wow. The second trial is a bit more fast -paced than the first one.

Most of the McAlberts do not testify the second time around.

The prosecution does not call them.

Trooper Proctor does not testify the second time around and even then it doesn't stop the rather dumb testimonies provided by parties involved such as when jen mccabe can't answer any question at all about really anything and has a hard time showing that she does not have pure venomous hatred for the defense team i mean i don't know why these people have such a hard time just not hating every single breathing person in the courtroom every single prosecutor's witness just seems like they're filled with hatred it's so unlikable it's hard to even resonate with anything they say they're so defensive

they want to be smart alex but it comes off like are you okay yeah yeah yeah gosh it's like i guess when you're shady you just can't be transparent and open about things no or like the the time buchanic starts arguing that he doesn't know what certain words mean in the english language because he speaks three languages so he asks attorney jackson if he can kindly hand him a webster's dictionary and attorney jackson is like are you fucking kidding me right now you want a fucking dictionary and then they have a very tense standoff i mean there are a lot of ridiculous moments in both the trials combined

and we would probably be here for the next 10 weeks if i covered all of them attorney jackson is also very upset and confused that michael proctor was not even called as a witness for the second trial by the commonwealth he says you guys were so embarrassed of michael proctor you couldn't even put him on the stand i thought it was a glaring error on the commonwealth's part to not call certain witnesses including brian albert brian higgins nicole albert matt mccabe and chris albert they don't want them to be subjected to a very vigorous cross -examination because the commonwealth knew that they

would not withstand it and also because michael proctor has been fired president patrick mcnamara which is the president of the state police association of massachusetts the union for the troopers he threw his support behind proctor saying our homicide detectives here in massachusetts are arguably the best in the country our solve rate is indicative of that at this point it's just a matter of understanding your audience that's the exact problem everyone is wondering if your solve rate comes from the fact that you just throw everyone in jail regardless of the evidence and then you look for nudes

for them boasting about how great your solve rate is is not what we want to hear right now.

He does not read the room.

He continues, Trooper Proctor has been the subject of personal attacks from the criminal defense attorneys and the media for doing their jobs.

They did this work without favor.

They follow the evidence.

This is true in the case of the investigation of the death of Boston Police Officer John O 'Keefe.

Trooper Proctor has personally been defamed in the media and in court.

We stand with you, Mike, as we do all state police detectives, which, if he has been defamed, hit everyone with the defamation lawsuit let's go just do it that's crazy he really should have just stayed quiet okay because this is i mean i mean i guess that's a little rich coming from someone who makes like 10 hour long videos is there like any police officials that's coming out and exposing what's going on or or even take a different stance because it seems like everyone's like linking arms backing each other has anybody say something or briefly and then they went back yeah we're gonna get there

but soon after that patrick loses his re -election for the police trooper union and um i guess that's the nicest thing that could have happened to him abc news asks trooper proctor about getting fired he says i just remember dropping to my knees and laying on my lawn crying i couldn't even talk i was in complete hysterics and i remember my mother being like what and i kind of gathered myself and i'm like they relieved me of duty he starts tearing up emotional about the hardest moments of his life what really got me was my union rep came over to my house and picked up all my uniforms and the one time

i broke down was putting my class a uniform you go through a six month police academy and you're very proud to put on that uniform that's tough he says that he wants us to feel bad yes i don't know any trooper that That has been punished for personal text messages on their personal phone, let alone fired.

Are these people okay?

He continues... She thinks he got fired because of a text message.

Not what he did. No. It's because of...

Oh, I sent a little text.

I got fired. Yeah. They were just found on my phone.

Yeah. You know, have you ever texted something?

It means nothing. It means nothing.

These text messages are juvenile, as they are.

It's not me as a person.

I vented after being involved in an investigation of a police officer certain used words that I regret.

People see those text messages and they instantly jump to a conclusion about you and that you must be biased, you must be a bad person, and I'm sure many other names.

I could see how people make that leap because that's all they know about me.

They don't know who I am.

They don't know how the kind of person that I am.

They just see those text messages and they immediately just assume I'm a bad person.

He has since appealed the firing.

He says, I still love the job.

I still want to be a trooper and I'm fighting for it.

Kelly Dever. Kelly Dever is a boston cop which is the same force as brian albert and john o 'keefe but she used to work for the canton police department specifically the night that there was a call made where john o 'keefe was found in the snow so a former canton cop she walks up to the stand and she looks a lot younger than all the other officers is she the one that shang good called yes replace his position yes Yes.

In the dispatch. He's like, I got to go.

Yeah, she comes in.

And maybe mid 20s, late 20s.

She gets up on the stand.

And she explained she was a patrol officer.

She was working the night shift. She took over dispatch for Sean Good.

And attorney Jackson is asking her when Sean Good instructed you to take over dispatch, explain what that meant.

It meant I walked inside and I sat down in a dispatch room.

You're aware that Sally Port had a camera, a security camera.

It would make make sense because that's where we bring prisoners to drop them off well more than just making sense i'm asking you do do you recall that it had a camera that serviced the garage it's where we brought prisoners so there would be cameras yes oh context on sally poor it's the garage where karen reed's car was brought in and held in evidence and people think that's where the evidence taillight the taillight was taken apart and then brought to 34 fairview and then scattered in the snow so it's very important they reverted yes inverted footage yeah oh my gosh you're listening okay so she's

saying yeah i mean so there would be cameras jackson is like so you're saying there would be cameras i'm asking you were there cameras according to the media yes i've seen the footage so yes there were cameras the judge stops her and tells her so i'm gonna strike that officer you have to answer the question based on your own independent and kelly looks at auntie bev if you don't have your own independent memories that's fine but you can't reference what you know from the media she's making faces straight up yeah she's two seconds away from fully rolling her eyes to look inside of her skull all

right there were cameras inside sallyport miss deaver do you want to be here today i have no relation to this case i didn't ask you that i asked you if you want to be here kelly deaver pauses before dramatically stating i'm put on the stand in a murder trial i don't know why i'm here i have no connection to this case this is honestly a bit more hostile than some of the more important key witnesses her interactions with the defense team feel so scathing than even some of the more mcalberts okay some of the mcalberts they try to hide it or some of the cops that are more heavily involved but the confusing

part in all of this is in trial two she is not a prosecution witness she is a defense witness the defense called her to the stand to testify why because officer dever told fbi agents that she saw atf brian uh -huh and chief berkowitz in sally port for a wildly long time near karen reed's car what were they doing for a wildly long time in sally port near karen reed's car that is crazy so what are you saying during the first trial she's kind of like forced to speak during the first trial she was never called to the stand so this attitude is from the second trial yeah she was never called to the stand of the first

trial the second trial she comes and she's huffing and puffing and the defense is just trying to get her to relay her statements that she made to the fbi which is you told the fbi that they were near karen reed's car in sally port for a wildly long time yeah but why is she huffing and puffing she just truly oh okay oh yeah just wait The defense is like you have no idea why you're here You've never talked to me Nobody on the defense seems to talk to me Since prior to the first trial Which she did not testify in So I don't have any idea why I'm here No clue whatsoever as you sit here Why you might have been

called to the stand No Are you uncomfortable testifying?

No, it's part of my job There is an indication that things are not going to go well Because Jackson starts asking Kelly Devere And you understand the oath Yes I do What is the oath?

The oath is to tell the truth.

The whole truth and nothing but the truth, correct?

Objection sustained.

Did one of the monitors that you had looked at when you had access at the dispatch area, because remember, she took over dispatch and they have a monitor overlooking Sally Port, shows the video feed from the Sally Port garage.

So as I already said, I don't remember where in dispatch the screen with the cameras was.

There was a camera in Sally Port.

If I'm going to make the assumption, then yes, of course, but now that's an assumption.

assumption i'm not asking you for an assumption i'm asking you did one of those feeds do you recall or not there was footage that you could see a monitor on the dispatch area i'm gonna go with yes so i don't know what that means so what do you mean you're gonna go with yes is your answer yes yes did you observe anything unusual that stood out in your mind that occurred pardon me you know in the sallyport area where you were on that shift so we've discussed this previously i can't make that statement on the stand because i've been provided information released by the defense that it was not a memory

that it was a distorted memory therefore i can't state it because at that point it would be a lie i cannot make that statement that you're wanting me to make on the stand because i've been advised it would be a lie so she's saying what i said to the fbi was a false memory the fuck she's saying i never saw saw chief berkowitz or brian higgins in sally port it was a false memory what like how did you even come up with that because she said that she had clocked out before the time that she would have seen them but clocking out doesn't mean anything and also those records can probably be fudged i

don't know don't ask me but she's saying it was a false memory which the defense is like okay first of all police officer with false memories should not be a police officer because Because what are you doing?

Throwing people in jail over false memories?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ms. Devert, I've never asked you to make a statement one way or the other on the stand.

I'm asking you an open -ended question.

Given factual information that makes it so that I know I did not know.

So the answer is no. Correct.

But that doesn't make sense because why did you tell the FBI then?

Were you advised lying to those officers?

The FBI officers would have been a crime.

So it was a willing conversation.

I've spoken with their legal team because of the fact that I was providing factual information that showed a statement of mine was a false memory.

it was not a lie therefore I made it in good faith and I've retracted given information that it could not be accurate Miss Everett did you understand my question yes I did you threatened to charge me with perjury during our phone call prior to the first trial if I didn't lie on the stand right now I'm telling you I did not see anything factually did they advise you have anything any consequences for lying to them to lying to FBI agents because the defense is saying it's so interesting that all these people they're a little more accurate when they're talking to the feds huh because they know that they've

got nobody in the feds and the feds don't care the feds are going to arrest them not the feds don't care the feds have also been the subject of a lot of corruption allegations but in terms of when they're investigating this case they don't really care did they advise you of any consequences so we had a willing conversation that's a yes or no i don't recall auntie beth steps in okay so there's your answer and again it's like are you shielding these witnesses as a trained law enforcement officer are you aware that it is a crime to lie to certain other law enforcement agencies when you have intent

to lie yes did you tell those law enforcement agents on august 9th of 2023 you saw brian higgins and chief berkowitz go into sally port together and alone with karen reed's suv for a wildly long time that was my recollection at the time what's even more interesting and you'll see by the line of questioning is that after she moves to boston police department the commissioner the man who runs boston pd michael cox michael cox calls this random patrol agent or patrol officer kelly dever into his office and then she recants her statement oh my god she calls the fbi and is like so you say boston has like

thousands of police right 3 000 officers and it's very rare that the commissioner talks to anyone especially especially not on a detective level.

She's just a patrol officer.

Wow. Did you have any conversation with anybody in the commissioner's office at the Boston Police Department?

Not about anything malicious.

I didn't use the word malicious.

Why do you say malicious?

I had a conversation, but it was my department saying, regardless of what I need to say on the stand, they support me.

so everyone thinks this whole thing is weird especially weirder when you given the fact that Michael Cox he is interviewed by a reporter later and he's I mean he's kind of thrown off guard he's did you talk to Kelly Dever about her statement and he says I don't even know Karen Reid I've got nothing to do with Karen Reid's case I don't know anything about the Karen Reid case and everyone's like that's crazy because what do you mean the officer that is deceased involving Karen Karen Reed's case is a Boston police officer.

What do you mean? You know, nothing of the Karen Reed case.

And the defense is saying, you told us Kelly Dever a year ago, when you talked to us, the defense, did you tell us that you were called up to the commissioner's office?

And he told you two things.

Number one, the department supports you officer Deaver and do the right thing.

Kelly Dever says, so he said my name correctly.

He said, Dever Jackson is saying, didn't you tell me that the commissioner said officer deaver do the right thing and kelly deber is like so the commissioner said my name correctly he said deber he said nothing with the intent of guiding me one way or the other just full of attitude yeah at one point when she's trying to say i don't remember a question she says just like how you don't remember my name i don't recall that is wild yeah so is she the one that you're talking about that she kind of told what happened and then she took a lap yeah it uh netizens have dug up that there seems to be some

distant familial connection between the devere family and the mccabe's there seems to be some sort of marriage between kelly devere and matt mccabe's side of the family i don't know it just is it's definitely not good she also accuses one of the male defense attorneys of threatening to charge her with perjury and she said that they became very aggressive and so Jackson is like a male voice on the phone threatened to charge you with perjury yes you're a police officer correct yes who charges people with crimes in the end it's going to go through the court system so the DA you know is have you ever

seen a defense attorney charge anybody with a crime personally no fact of the matter is nobody ever threatened you with did they they did i contacted the fbi regarding it oh did you i did do you have a report from the fbi saying that you reported it that someone on the karen reed defense team threatened to charge you with perjury no what is going on yeah these people are yes so now it's become a thing where um david yanetti the only way he can describe it is john akif is a boston cop i mean that tells you all you need to know.

the blue wall went up and karen reid is on the outside of the blue wall.

she's an outsider. it just seems like a lot of it is not even corruption.

i mean it is but a lot of it is not even like i want to protect brian albert.

i want to protect the mcalberts.

it just seems more so that's just the way it works.

this is how we run things.

but one of the biggest problems in this case is even the accident reconstructionists for both sides are well the fact is nobody knows exactly where John's body was found right during the first trial the prosecution calls up their expert crash reconstructionist Trooper Paul he states that Karen hit John with her car and it all makes sense due to physics Trooper Paul states that John was hit by the SUV and flew 30 feet then when the SUV hit him he projected forward and then to the left and then to the front yard to his final resting place if you're confused it's because it's confusing nobody can understand what he's

saying happened when the car hit john o 'keefe basically trooper paul's version of events show john o 'keefe doing almost a ballerina spin he gets hit with the taillight but then his arm stays okay he gets side swiped by the taillight his arm stays there the taillight shatters on impact but no bruises or broken bones on his arm that took the brunt of the impact of this massive suv and then his arm kind of stays there for the taillight to then kind of side swipe him again causing those crazy abrasions and then that causes him to propel in like a spin ballerina projected somewhere around the idea of 30

feet until he lands in the grass and i know that i'm being very animated with this and it's because in the whole trial that's how it is he's being animated and attorney jackson to bring it home he's like doing a spin in court so you're like so this is what you're telling me happened because i think the only way to see how ridiculous it is is to show the animation of what he's saying happened even trooper paul seems very unsure of his own testimony and this is where i think a lot of people say maybe it's not all around corruption maybe it's also a mix of incompetence i will say the defense the minute

that the cross -examination begins, they really don't even need to argue the nitty -gritty of everything he claims because they just argue his credentials.

Jackson questions him, sir, do you hold any degrees in the scientific discipline of mathematics?

I do not. Do you hold any degrees in the scientific discipline of physics?

I do not. Hold any degrees in the scientific discipline of biomechanics?

No. How about engineering?

No. What is the highest degree that you do hold, sir?

I have an associate's degree.

In what? Administration of justice.

autostress. What's another word for rate of velocity?

I mean, it's, um, it deals with, um, motion.

It deals with, um, forward and, um, also deals with speed.

It deals with, um, travel and speed.

If something's moving, it also has a speed to it.

Right. The word you're looking for is acceleration, correct?

Sure. The defense also brings up the fact that trooper Paul testified that when someone is hit by something, whatever they have in their hand, they lose it.

But John don o 'keefe held onto his cocktail glass while being projected 30 feet trooper paul responds i don't know i mean it just could have been with him the whole way i don't know i wasn't there so i don't know how the glass stayed with his body and went with him to the final rest so we know that you weren't there but if you don't know who who knows at certain points trooper paul makes no sense and he clearly sounds very nervous he will say things like this to the defense attorney i'm just responding to what you said and trying to make sure you understand what what I'm saying.

To which attorney Jackson responds, no, I don't understand what you're saying.

Another questionable part is the defense points out that John's phone was found underneath his body.

To which Trooper Paul is asked, if his cell phone was found under his torso, under his body, what's your theory on how that cell phone ended up flying 30 feet with him?

It just did. Just did.

And somehow as he landed, he tucked that cell phone underneath his body so that he landed on on top of it.

It just did. That's the evidence at the scene.

I didn't put the evidence there.

Well, you didn't. Objection sustained.

Cell phone in one hand, cup in the other hand, flew through the air, right?

Objection sustained.

Defense Attorney Jackson accuses Trooper Paul of having confirmation bias, to which Trooper Paul says he can't definitively say what confirmation bias even really means.

Trooper Paul states that he came to the final resting spot of john o 'keefe by way of gallagher telling him where john o 'keefe was found but remember gallagher never saw where john's body was found all in all i think the only takeaway from trooper paul's testimony is that he has no clue what he's talking about we have no clue what he's talking about nobody has any clue what trooper paul is talking about at one point he says like there are certain calculations that you can do you know based on distance and it's based on miles per hour and the speed of the vehicle and the striking of the vehicle

and stuff the defense is like what what did you mean by and stuff?

I don't know. Ultimately, Trooper Paul admits we cannot calculate anything from this collision.

Side note, he doesn't even know John O 'Keefe's weight, which you would think is one of the most important things.

Are you kidding me?

He also doesn't know the mass weight of the vehicle.

Are you kidding me?

It's just so clear that he wrote...

How is he an expert?

We don't know. It's like when you write, I speak Mandarin on your resume.

Well, you do. I speak Mandarin on your resume and then you go and suddenly you have to speak mandarin and then i'm just like okay i lied how would you calculate how far a body at rest would travel after being struck by an object in motion how would you calculate that i would use a type of formula for calculations of post impact speeds of pedestrians the defense asks how the taillight was shattered so the taillight in this case was shattered when it struck john o 'keefe's arm exactly what part of his arm based on what i saw for his injuries was the upper part of his arm down trooper paul states

that it would have been out elbows out then the full mass you know and then it got hit he really doesn't know what he's talking about if he flew like 30 miles 30 feet i'm sorry 30 feet yes there it's very easy to calculate the force needed to to reach that kind of distance yeah yeah but even just the arm yeah and that doesn't make sense none of it makes sense to shatter that type of plastic yes you know what type of force is going to like it just doesn't happen yeah and then also it's a lot of the plastic taillight pieces were found around where jonna keith's body was found so it shattered like

an explosion right exactly none of it makes sense so then there was and there's only one thing that doesn't lie which is physics yeah like that's one thing cannot lie so just follow that just Just proves everyone is lying.

Yeah. But he's like, no, this is exactly what happened.

And when he's asked, how are there no injuries to John O 'Keefe's arm other than those abrasions and lacerations?

He says, I don't know.

Literally, I don't know.

Any other questions about that?

Auntie Bev just sustains all of them.

Jackson asks, and at the same time, he does a pure way and flies 30 feet to his final resting point of rest. I don't know if he did like a pure way.

He started rotating counterclockwise.

i don't know how far he kind of counterclockwise but started rotating according to that push he would rotate counterclockwise whether that was counterclockwise all the way to his back toward the ground it almost seems like the most likely possibility so at one point the defense straight up asks trooper paul the truth is trooper paul you have no idea what all these physics calculations mean do you objection sustained netizen comments read i was feeling sympathy for how insufficient trooper paul's intelligence is but then i see him on cross trying to explain away a murder charge with his woefully

lacking investigation and opinions not doing calculations because it was a reverse is a lot the laws of physics exist gravity exists despite his wish that it didn't i don't know just like based on this person alone just this little conversation alone it's enough to prove that karen reed didn't hit john o 'keefe that's it period the end i don't even know how the mistrial happened from the first trial it doesn't even make any sense i think the biggest thing for me is the feds got involved the federal investigation that has no connection with karen reid there's no connection with the mcalberts and their

experts said these injuries from john o 'keefe were not from a collision yeah yeah exactly and they had no skin in the game they gave this to the commonwealth and the defense and they said here you go and i feel like that was where i was like okay then what can i say yeah i don't know physics like that but they're telling like me so it wasn't from a collision then let's look elsewhere yes but they're like no it was from a collision in fact trooper paul testified in trial one and clearly it did not go well so for trial two the commonwealth brings in expert witnesses very expensive expert witnesses

from a company called aperture the first one is shannon burgess you can already tell things are going to go awry by the fact that his direct by hank brennan is one and a half hours long and the cross by robert alessi is four and a half hours long which by the way robert alessi is a pharmacist as well he's got a lot of it seems like he knows a lot of stem related stuff i don't know how else to describe it but it seems like he's very well versed in anything stem related shannon burgess says that he found a new computer chip in karen reed's suv that hasn't been previously analyzed and he used that data to

calculate the time difference between karen reed's suv and john John O 'Keefe's cell phone, and he found the variants, and then he's just saying, you know, the time adds up to when Karen Reid made a three -point turn and when John O 'Keefe's phone was used for the last time, and that is why he believes that she was the one that killed him on impact.

When the cross -examination starts, when it starts with these types of questions, you just know it's not the type of cross that you want to be on the receiving end of.

Alessi has this look of, good afternoon, Mr. Burgess.

And it's just, people know Alessi, and people say this man is about to do something that Burgess is not going to like.

He brings up his CV CV cover?

Yeah and it says that he is currently pursuing a bachelor's degree but interestingly enough on the Aperture official website his bio states that he has a BS in mathematics and business administration not currently pending or pursuing just has it.

You do not have a bachelor of science in mathematics and business administration do you?

No, I do not. He also puts it in his LinkedIn.

But also, he hasn't gotten his degree for that.

Nor is he actively pursuing it.

So is he just like lying on the Aperture website and his LinkedIn?

The defense brings up another resume.

And this time again, it says, Bachelor of General Science in Mathematics and Business Administration, University of Alabama, 2022.

All Burgess can say about that is, that is what it states.

But this resume, there are a number of errors in that.

Correct. So let's go on.

this is the third example am i correct sir it has errors or outdated information well when you say outdated how is it that you can call a date outdated next to something you don't possess either you have a bachelor of science degree or you don't i have represented that i do not have a bachelor's degree but to make matters worse the degree that he claimed to have doesn't even exist at the university of alabama he's asked you would agree that there is not even a degree called bachelor of general science and mathematics and business administration offered at the university of alabama correct correct

if i did the math correctly sir you have been pursuing a bachelor of science degree for 17 years correct that is correct and you have not obtained it as you have sit here today that is correct is he embarrassed what is happening right now yeah so he's lying on his resume he has no degree in this but what if shannon burgess is a genius that excels in math and this is an episode of suits he didn't graduate from school but he is a prodigy level availability to comprehend car accidents and physics that could be the case the defense reels that shannon burgess doesn't know the difference between a gigabit

and a gigabyte to simplify it one gigabyte is eight gigabits which is kind of confusing but like that's like confusing five minutes and 40 minutes it's a huge discrepancy a huge miscalculation misunderstanding error whatever shannon burgess wants to call it do i know the difference between the two no but but I also don't work for Aputure, where these things can change the course of a defendant's life based on their calculations.

Burgess didn't even realize he misunderstood a gigabyte and a gigabit until the defense ARCA witnesses were like, hey, prosecutors, your experts are dumb.

They confused it, so.

Wow. Unbelievable. You simply misunderstood the difference between gigabits and gigabytes, correct?

Misinterpreted. I would not say misunderstood.

He also misinterprets dates, just straight up gets dates wrong on his scientific findings.

The defense also accuses him of just switching up his data and findings whenever other experts that are also testifying for the prosecution find different findings just to make it all cohesive, which is not at all what you're supposed to do.

And side note, the redirect for the prosecution does not save this testimony because this cross -examination is four and a half hours long and it's brutal, very brutal.

It just makes it goofier.

all hank brennan can do is ask burgess a bachelor's degree is not a prerequisite of success in a particular field no it's not you ever heard of bill gates yes steve jobs oh my gosh oprah winfrey objection sustained then you have the other aperture expert who i guess i decided last night at like three in the morning he doesn't deserve a spot on this wall okay but he's just another he's the blue man the blue man print the blue man but he's the blue man uh good morning dr welcher robert alessi is also the one doing this i will say robert alessi i don't think anyone expected him to do these types

of crosses he i feel like he knows more about physics than the aperture witnesses he looks like he wouldn't know yeah he he's people call him like the nerdy hot guy type looks like a scientist more than yeah yeah which makes him an incredible lawyer and he good morning dr welcher and dr welcher is a lot he says good morning we haven't been formally introduced your whole name robert alessi which i just felt like welcher is trying to assert his dominance which doesn't bode well for him later on he introduces himself as an action reconstruction and biomechanics expert he's got a little feistiness

in him unless he asks him is one of the first questions you ask how did this happen no that's usually the last question oh so for you so hold on a second generally what we do what you want to do is gather data you want to know the where the what the injuries are the evidence there is like for example the vehicle and on the vehicle and then the very last thing you want to know or define given all that that information is how did that happen so that's the end it's very preachy it's like kind of like he's like so hold on a second let me tell you how it's done yeah unfortunately welcher has no explanation for how

the how the car hit john on the hand but and broke nothing in his hand or his arm is 300 to 400 pounds of force sound right from the literature that i would take to break a bone in the hand for a distributed load such as a taillight no but moving on because welcher is mainly known for his blue paint alessi asks him dr welcher i would like to talk now about your your blue paint exercise i'll just call it a blue paint exercise is that descriptive enough for you of to know what we're talking about no it's not an exercise it's a test do you want me to call it a blue paint test sure okay let's call

it a blue paint test so your blue paint test involved painting the right rear tail light blue correct so he bought a lexus who bought a lexus welcher bought a lexus for aperture i mean the commonwealth's paying for it bought a lexus painted He painted the rear taillight blue and then he's standing there and has it back up into him at two miles per hour.

He runs three tests where the blue paint backs up to him in two miles per hour to see where the blue paint lands on his hand because he is also the same height as John O 'Keefe or around the similar same height.

But that's confusing for the defense because it's like you don't even know where John O 'Keefe was standing.

You don't know if he was standing on the lawn, which would be a few inches discrepancy from if he was standing on the street.

So if you don't know where he's standing, and these few inches make vastly different results for a test like this, what kind of test are you running?

Also, you're running the test at two miles per hour.

Yeah. The Commonwealth is claiming that she hit him at over 20 miles per hour.

How can you even run a test like that?

Yeah, yeah. So they're asking, you didn't do a blue paint test with a vehicle going 20 miles per hour, correct?

That is correct. I was not going to hit myself with a Lexus at 20 miles per hour.

You could have done other tests where the vehicle was going 20 miles per hour if you used a crash test dummy, correct?

correct welcher gives a lengthy explanation of why he didn't do that but it just sounds like why you didn't do your homework it doesn't really make that much sense alessi is so over welcher he just tells wetcher you don't have the point of impact you don't know where in the road there was impact you don't have anything the purpose of your blue paint test was quote i mean the focal point is what welcher says the focal point of the purpose of that test was to show the contact with the location of how someone of mr o 'keefe's height which happens to be my height where it contacts the broken taillight

that's why i did the testing that's why we're calling it a paint paint transfer testing okay so his test is trying to show that john o 'keefe's arm broke the taillight but that doesn't even that's not the test the test is it just touched the taillight because Because you can't prove it broke the taillight if you don't test at the speed.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, put a dummy there or something.

Yeah. At one point, he gets very aggressive and he just argues, it's possible the car could have shot off into space as an engineer, but not probable.

Alessia's like, oh, so you think it's possible that it could have been shot off into space?

As an engineer, it's a possibility.

Absolutely. Highly, highly unlikely.

unlikely but again you're asking as an engineer about probabilities and possibilities okay so let's get back to reality dr welcher netizens are commenting apparently this guy thinks that john's arm blew up the taillights pieces into 47 pieces without breaking a single bone he couldn't answer a yes or no question if asked if it's sunny outside right now this clown did his own two mile per hour crash did ridiculous paint tests and admits that engineering has has thousands of possibilities, including launching the Lexus into space.

Another one says, basically, they're doing costume changes, lying on the stand and finger painting to get paid by taxpayers, which they're getting paid a lot.

The Commonwealth paid nearly $400 ,000 to Aperture for the testing.

Whoa. And it was dumb.

Yes. The test was useless.

Useless. Which brings us to the defense witnesses, Dr. Daniel Wolff and Dr. Andrew Rent.

And they are called Crash Daddy, mainly Dr. Wolf is called Crash Daddy.

He's Honorable Crash Daddy, Crash Daddy number two.

And there was a whole ordeal that Hank Brennan was fighting tooth and nail to make sure that they don't come in for the second trial.

It was a whole thing.

They bring in ARCA, the two Crash Daddies.

Now, ARCA was originally hired by the FBI. And they are a formal accident reconstruction company that are hired by law firms that work primarily with car insurance companies, insurance carriers.

and they also have multiple contracts with the department of defense the dod for accident reconstructions their cvs filled to the brim like if anybody knows anything about car accidents they know and we know they know because the prosecutors could not question their cvs yeah and it sounded like they are the people to hire for something like this ask the expert here's the expert yes but the prosecutor never reached out to like a formal well official aperture is supposed to be okay yeah i think a netizen speculation is that they had to reach out to aperture or a company that maybe some people subjectively

in their opinion think is not as reputable as arca because arca would probably not lie and arca is perhaps too smart and arca would tell you straight up which is what they do on the stand they both state john's injuries are inconsistent consistent with a crash.

Dr. Wolf states it's his job to quote, I think a simple definition in my mind and this is gonna be a breath of fresh air compared to the aperture witnesses.

He's very likable on the stand, both of them are.

I think a simple definition in my mind of my job would be the application of physics, engineering, science, and mathematics to collision events.

I always like to think it's if you open up a puzzle box and you dump the pieces out and you've got a bunch of pieces and you're trying to piece together the evidence to see how everything fits together in a clear picture unlike any of the prosecution witnesses he says back in 2012 i received a bachelor of science in engineering from james madison university along with a minor in mathematics some of my courses while at jmu included courses in physics statics dynamics kinematics material science along with other engineering sciences subsequent to my undergraduate degree i then went went on to the University

of Delaware to pursue my PhD in electrical and computer engineering with a concentration in electromagnetics and photonics so in addition to my undergraduate degree and my PhD I've continued to take courses through Northwestern University and crash reconstruction some of those courses have included human factors lighting I've taken courses on electronic vehicle data photo geometry I don't even know these names three -dimensional laser scanning so I've continued to take courses subsequent to graduating with my PhD yeah yeah right off the bat they sound a lot more credible they also yes are you saying

both of these were also in trial one yes and they try to get them banned from trial two that's it that is crazy even with that they're still questions yeah and uh he they ran a lot of tests so instead of just like rubbing blue paint on a taillight they ran multiple experiments to see what would happen when a taillight collides at various speeds with a dummy arm to which the crash daddy state based Based on the test results, the damage is inconsistent with striking an arm.

They also tried to do a test where, because he had a cocktail glass in his hand that shattered.

They got a cocktail glass projectile, basically like a gun that shoots a cocktail glass at a taillight.

Yes, to see if the taillight shatters and where the cocktail glass pieces land, where the taillight pieces land.

That also does not show that John was hit by this car.

Okay, okay. I see. they were trying to prove that the maybe the cocktail of glass shattered the taillight but again that was inconsistent with the scene so they're not even just trying to prove one thing they're just trying to go down the line and they're like literally nothing yeah like nothing at one point the only thing that the prosecution can do with the arca experts because honestly they're experting the only thing that they can do is try to say that they're too friendly with the defense team they're too friendly with the defense team because the defense team is like hey these weren't really

even our hired experts in trial one they did eventually get hired and they were only paid like $23 ,000 which is a lot of money but they were probably way under what they were paid by the FBI so when they testified for trial one they didn't have to testify the FBI already paid them they did their job but they came in and they testified for trial two I think their hotel fees their traveling their time was compensated for $23 ,000 and he's making a whole big ordeal about it when he just paid aperture four hundred thousand dollars but he's just trying to say you guys are too close he's are you quite

like that's like the last thing he should be questioning yes right now when you look at this whole map that everyone knows each other and he's just also saying things like sue you call him alan alan jackson sounds like you guys are friendly and crash daddy is like what are you talking about it's literally yeah i've become familiar with him over the years so i call him alan and then i think um he he becomes a meme at this point because he says so what would you call me and everyone's like are you jealous of crash daddy like what do you want him to call you it seemed like people have been putting

romantic music and like what would you call me then and he just says probably mr brennan and everyone's just like okay.

Okay. Yeah. And then at one point, Dr. Rent, honorable crash daddy number two, he throws shade at Aperture and he says, well, the blue paint test is the only test that he performed.

And he referenced that test for his opinion that the position and lacerations are consistent with the taillight cover.

So if that test was not intended to signify or demonstrate the orientation of the arm, that's the only test you did.

So if it doesn't represent that, it's really meaningless in his analysis and conclusions he's saying what was the test for i don't know what you did a test and it failed so you have no solution no answer so what did you do that for so why are you showing us this test because this test means nothing yes this is a stupid test which is how a lot of netizens feel and they feel that crash daddy's dimples alone alone would have them believe them so then the next problem is if it's not caused by the arm if we believe arca then what could it be caused by now we bring up chloe once more the prosecution brings

a terry coon she works for uc davis at the veterinary genetics lab in the forensic unit she's the dna technical lead and she's been doing this for 25 years she had tested swabs sent in by by the MSP and tested it for dog canine DNA which it showed negative but it did show positive for pig DNA which she says could happen when you have pork or any sort of pig cold cuts or anything of that sort so it doesn't necessarily say that he was at a pig farm or anything of that but people thought it was very interesting that there's no dog DNA but when the defense really gets into the nitty -gritty of it all

they're asking her do you know where the swabs came from it was pulled from John's t -shirt that was laying on the hospital floor so there's a lot of questions of that and the defense is just saying just because there was no dog dna does not mean anything in fact dog dna should have been taken from the arm like any swab should have been taken from John O 'Keefe's arm and even then if those are claw marks it would have been very difficult to find dog dna because usually you need saliva to indicate these animal dna factors the defense bring in their own witness an older doctor by the name of dr marie

russell and i don't know why but auntie bev has beef with her for no reason because during a voir dire which is so voir dire is not just jury selection it could be like vetting of witnesses when the jury is not around there is a voir dire of dr marie russell and auntie bev is like because it's a voir dire i can ask questions and everyone is like i have never seen a judge ask questions i mean judges will sometimes ask questions for the when When it's jury selection to make sure that everything is impartial, the jurors are all good, but this is weird. Dr. Russell is very sharp.

She is a professional dog bite expert.

Her resume is as good as the ARCA experts' residency at USC Level 1 Trauma Center, then forensic pathology residency at the LA County Coroner's Office.

She has been studying dog bites for a very long time.

She has probably seen maybe a thousand dog bites.

And she says, looking at John's autopsy photos, I believe that those injuries were sustained by an animal possibly a large dog because of the pattern of the injuries fascinating yes and a lot of people online say hey guys i'm not an expert but i've been bitten by a dog i've been clawed out by a dog and look also people say that um there are rumors that chloe was supposed to be a canine dog in training but failed out of the academy and canine dogs are trained to bite the arm you know when they have those marshmallow arms so it's very interesting that it's only one arm and she's allegedly been on very

strongly. The only rebuttal that the Commonwealth has to Dr. Russell's testimony is that bite analysis science is pseudoscience.

I agree, but hold on.

They're conflating two different things.

Bite analysis science is pseudoscience when you look at bite indentations on like a person's arm.

Let's say someone bit my arm and they take a picture of this and they bring up scans of people's teeth.

And they say, does person one fit?

Does person two fit?

Does person three fit?

It's person three. Convict them.

That is pseudoscience.

It's very hard to identify the individual.

But that's not what Dr. Marie Russell's doing.

She's saying, I mean, you can kind of tell when it's a dog bite.

I'm not saying which dog it is.

I'm not saying which breed of dog it is.

I'm just telling you, these are very consistent with what I have seen are dog bites because i study dog bites wow yeah but they're saying no bite science is pseudoscience and she's like i'm not saying i'm gonna tell you which dog which breed of dog but it's this is very weird yeah people think it's so crazy that this is happening so then just bring in chloe right to examine her well defense attorney jackson says i want access to that dog i might want to measure its claws i might want to measure its teeth i might want to have a forensic veterinarian look look at the dog examine the dog and then

we find out that the alberts got rid of the dog their family pet they get rid of chloe and re -home her in vermont insane the defense is saying that the commonwealth never gave them any sort of information they gave them some random vet form of a dog that's not even named chloe on the vet forms of like random people from vermont and they're like who are these people we don't even know if that's chloe who's to say that's Chloe that could be a different German shepherd who's to say the Brian Alberts don't find a different German Shepherd and it's like that's Chloe see the teeth don't match see everything

doesn't match oh my gosh so they ask the McAlberts why they got rid of Chloe and they say that recently right before they re -homed Chloe it's not because of John O 'Keefe it's because Chloe bit another dog and then the two owners of the dog two women that were walking that dog tried to stop Chloe and Chloe attacked the two women they ended up in the hospital one of those two women later reached out to vanity fair and said i was scared because after i got out of the hospital i was reached out by kevin albert a canton police officer who's asking me how can we make this go away allegedly but they rehomed

the dog it's i think this is one of those cases where I'm getting very confused because a lot of the information seems like it's not subjective.

A lot of the digital forensic information of House Long to Die in the Cold should not be subjective.

The crash experts should not be subjective, but somehow everything has become subjective.

Everything has become, will you believe this party or this party?

But I thought digital forensics, physics were typically objective things in the court of law.

this case is interesting in that sense where it's just weird but i think it's weird enough to cause reasonable doubt which is the burden of the prosecution because in the end for the second trial i mean you guys already know the jurors go off to deliberate and they come back and they find karen reed not guilty and you hear people cheering outside the courthouse house inside the courtroom and she's just like bursting into tears even her defense attorneys are so emotional in that moment and it's just a very she is found guilty of operating under the influence but she does not get jail time instead

she receives a year of probation and karen says i could not be standing here today without these amazing supporters who have supported me and my team financially and more importantly emotionally no one has fought harder for justice for john than i have about the verdict she says at first there's grief then it's anger it's anger that outside sources outside people can influence what happens in a courtroom and can impact the results of a pretty cut and dry case carrie roberts has also released her own statement stating that she's confused why everyone hates her and her new best friend jen mccabe

she says i don't know why they're making jen mccabe a villain all she did was answer the same phone call i did karen called her she she didn't call Karen, it's so stupid and bizarre, we put our asses on the line for three and a half years, two trials to help the state of Massachusetts, and you're not going to help us when we're being harassed?

It's not worth it to put my family through that ever again and not be protected at all, it's absolutely sick, the jury pool was completely tainted is all I can say, yeah.

Brian Albert and his family have released a statement of their own, our hearts are with John and his entire O 'Keeffe family, they have suffered through so much and deserve better from the justice system.

While we may have more to say in the future, today we mourn with John's family and lament the cruel reality that this prosecution was infected by lies and conspiracy theories spread by Karen Reid, her defense team, and some in the media.

The result is a devastating miscarriage of justice.

ATF Brian Higgins has remained quiet, except there are rumors and sources floating around the internet that he was seen drunk at a bar where he was telling a buddy of his all i did was pull the dog off we don't know if this is true this could be completely a made -up lie brennan has made a statement after this case he says um da michael morrissey appointed me giving me full discretion to independently assess this case and follow the evidence no matter where it led after an independent and thorough review of all the evidence i concluded that the evidence led to one person and one person only neither

the closed federal investigation nor nor my independent review led me to identify any other possible suspect or person responsible for the death of John O 'Keefe.

The campaign of intimidation and abuse that has been waged, funded, and promoted in public and on social media is the antithesis of justice.

If this type of conduct becomes commonplace, it will threaten the integrity of our judicial system, affecting both victims and criminally accused.

Jackson states, the Commonwealth would rather simply condemn the jury and it's fair and lawful verdict.

As for D .A. Morrissey, who has been under a lot of fire for retrying this case, Jackson even said it was an ego issue with him.

He was not going to accept the idea that his office got it wrong.

He would rather put Karen through another horrifying crucible of a second trial with some hired gun and say, I'm going to leave it to the jurors to figure it out.

It took two days, but he released a statement that consists of four words.

The jury has spoken wow david yannetti states the scary thing for me is that and there has been a holdout had there been a mistrial i think michael morrissey would have tried it again the key family have since filed a wrongful death suit against karen reid cf mccarthy's the first bar that john and karen went to and then waterfall bar saying that they over served and they are seeking about 50 000 in damages for quote conscious pain and suffering and profound emotional emotional distress.

Karen states the timing is very weird. She says that they could have sued me right when John O 'Keefe passed, but they sued me after they found out that she wasn't going to prison.

As for the kids, she really cares for those kids and she says they've been exploited and brought into a trial they have no business being in.

The hope for me is that one day one of them will grow up and dig into this case and be ambitious enough to say, I need to see everything.

Jackson states about karen and her criminal trials make no mistake it's not that the commonwealth didn't prove that she's guilty we proved that she's innocent and the unfortunate thing is it's caused a flood of people who probably are guilty that have proctor and lally have touched their case in some way that are trying very hard to get their cases thrown out really and it's just become a thing where a lot of people say i mean looking at the evidence in their cases it doesn't seem like a karen reed situation where they've been framed or potentially there's not enough evidence but there could be

cases that they wrongfully oh yes of course yes of course but the two in question that are coming up often it doesn't seem like that's the case and i think that's where a lot of netizens are even more infuriated because it's it's not even just karen reed but you're talking about so much impact that's going to be left because what you can't do your job also the fact that the feds case is closed has been up for debate um some people think that's the feds they haven't responded personally it's just hank brennan and the prosecution saying that the feds case is closed but we don't really know and one

person that has worked with the feds before the doj they say you know it could be that the feds are sitting back and not saying anything because the case is closed and they're silently walking away or they could be working on this case as we speak you never really know yeah karen reed says even if it's closed that hardly means anyone involved in murdering john or framing me was cleared of wrongdoing but everyone should note which side of the case is celebrating the federal investigation supposedly being closed and which side isn't i will tell you which side of this case is culpable and therefore

worried about a possible federal indictment.

That is true. Yeah.

One juror that was on the second trial has come out to say that they hope the FBI is investigating because they want justice for John O 'Keefe and they don't think Karen did it.

They say that means we have at least one killer in town, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

As a matter of fact, I think we might have a whole pack.

Yes. And that is where I leave review with Karen Reid's final part four.

What are your thoughts on this case?

I know there's a lot more that we could have dug into but it just would have taken me 20 episodes.

What are your thoughts?

Leave it in the comments and I will see you in the next one.

Be safe.

[The Karen Reid Saga: Corruption, Incompetence, and the Quest for Justice]-[Investigators On Karen Read Case Connected To Death of Pregnant Girl That Had Been Abused By 3 Cops]

📋 Summary

Introduction: A Tale of Two Realities

The Shadow of Sandra Birchmore

The "Blue Wall" and Judicial Conduct

Experts, Physics, and "Crash Daddy"

Conclusion: The Verdict and Beyond

🎯Key Sentences

📝Key Phrases

📖 Transcript