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This is the McPherbe. And now, here's your host, Deborah Goldstein.
Welcome to the Big Fib, the game show where kids choose between the sweet and the cyanic truth. and the noble rotted fungus of lies.
I'm your host, Deborah Goldstein, and in the studio today is our sound effects robot, Lisa, whose name stands for live in studio audience.
And now here's your host. Deborah Goldstein!
You said that already, Lisa. We can move on to... Ramal, here's your host!
Debra Goldsea! Oh dear, I think there's some buffering or something going on.
I'm just gonna give you a gentle tap on the back.
And now... Oh, thank you Deborah. I needed that anytime.
I think I just had a Listener question lodged in my confluency capacitor.
I'll play it for you so it doesn't get stuck again.
Good idea. Hi Lisa! I am Cheyja from China but you can call me Emily and I just want to know if you have a favorite sound effect and what's that sound effect?
Thanks for that question, Emily. Do you have a favorite sound effect?
Do you, Lisa? Wow, that's a tough one. It's like asking parents if they have a favorite child.
No, I was going to say remote control. Oh, OK, that makes sense.
OK, but yeah, as far as sound effects go, Emily, I keep coming back to the classics, you know, centipede marching band playing tubas while marching on bubble round.
Or ostriches, yodeling underwater. Oh, who doesn't love the fan favorite?
Licorice, becoming aware that it's licorice.
Wow, those are pretty spectacular sound effects.
I don't think I've heard any of them before now.
Well, they're kind of for special occasions.
You know, they take a lot of memory to run and most of the occasions you're at are too special.
Okay, well, answering our listeners questions is definitely a special occasion.
Oh, yeah, I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, well done. And another special occasion sound effect would be when you tell people how our game works.
How about it? Oh, that old chestnut. Yeah, we don't need a special occasion for that one.
We just need to be at that point in our show when you ask me how to tell everyone how our game works.
Right. Like now, for instance. Oh, well, like now.
All right, like now. That's what you're saying.
Also, by the way, Deborah, every occasion with you is special.
Aw, I feel the same. Thank you. Sweet, thank you.
Also, yes. Every week we bring on two grownups.
One is an expert, the other, a liar. And it's the job of a human child to help us figure out who was who, because no one can spot a liar better than a kid.
No one. We have run the studies and the tests and the evidence is overwhelming.
What are we lying about today, Deborah? We are lying about grapes, berries grown in clusters on grapevines.
Oh, I've got the perfect sound effect for that one.
Here's the sound effect of a robot eating grapes.
I'm young now. These are good grapes. Okay, but that's not really a sound effect, Lisa.
You're just eating grapes. Yes, but can you hear me making the sounds while I'm eating them?
Bam! Sound effects. Okay, fair. All right, well, we're going to learn about those grapes you're eating along with our contestant.
So Lisa, could you please tell us who our contestant is today?
Our human child contestant is Billy Eitelish.
Wait, I just can't be right. Oh no. Human child contestant is a fifth grader who loves Billie Eilish and making jewelry.
Corinne. Welcome, Ella. Hi. Hi. Thank you for joining us today.
Say you love Billie Eilish. I do too. Do you have a favorite song?
I like bellyache, which I feel like it's one of her less popular songs, but it's really good.
I'll play it right now. I'm pretty sure that's not how that goes.
Yeah, that's not how it goes. Oh, that's Billy Joel.
That's Billy Joel. Okay, and you like to make jewelry.
Tell us what kind of jewelry do you make, Ayla?
I like to make earrings. I'm actually wearing some.
I made these. Well, our listeners can't see, but those are beautiful.
How did you make those? So I take this piece of wire and I have all these different beads so I put the beads onto the wire and then I have these special round nose pliers and I make like a loop at the top. and then I put on an earring hook and yeah.
Beautiful. What those are delightful. Do you give those away as gifts or do you sell them?
I give them away as gifts and I keep some.
Sounds like Deborah's trying to get some presents.
I was just thinking they're so pretty she could absolutely sell them if she wanted to.
I meant, but they are very pretty. Geez, Deborah.
Well, Ella, we would like to know some more fun facts about you, but...
We're going to do it by playing our game two truths and a lie.
You are going to share with us three facts.
Two of those facts will be true. One will be a lie.
Lisa and I and anybody listening to the show will try to figure out which one is the lie.
And then if you're a good liar, then you might just be a good fit finder too.
So, Ayla, what are your three backs? So my first one is I go to a French immersion school.
My second one is I want to preschool at a zoo.
And my third one is I am a vegetarian. Wow, I didn't know there were schools and zoos.
What do you think about all of those, Lisa?
Well, this is what I'm thinking, Deborah.
Yes, please. Let's for a moment consider that maybe she did go to a preschool at a zoo.
Okay. You have to say let's let's thank you.
Now, if this were true, at that zoo, she would have encountered a number of vegetarians.
We call them herbivores. You know, you're zebras, you're elephant, that kind of thing.
So it's very possible that while she was being raised as a, uh, draft in the zoo, that she became a vegetarian.
So those two go together pretty nicely. Now you get to the third one, the French immersion school.
Immersion is to be dipped into something.
So are we to believe that she is being dipped into French people?
I do nothing, so this one is clearly the lie.
Thank you for playing. I'll see you next time.
Wow, I don't even know what to say about any of that.
So I won't, I will just ask Ayla which one of those facts is the lie.
Lisa got it right. I don't know French Immersion School.
I told you. Because you would be dipped into French people?
No, that's not why. You cannot dip a kid in the fridge.
Oh my gosh, that's a great lie, Ayla, I have to say.
So you went to preschool at a zoo? Yeah, so when I was three, I mean, my family went to Argentina.
We lived there for six months. Wow. And I went to this preschool.
So it was like a zoo and then there was like a little preschool.
Very cool. So every day going to school, I saw the bears and going home.
I saw the hippos. Wow. That's so neat. I love that. at which point she began to identify as a capybara which is a vegetarian animal in south america and that's why she's a vegetarian Our first expert is Daryl Blodgett.
Daryl, please introduce yourself to Ayla.
Hi, my name is Daryl Blodgett. I am author of Book 101 uses for grapes, and the manager of horticulture and operations at the Emerald Sky Vineyard.
Thank you very much. Let's meet our second expert, Justine Bandon-Hoovel.
Justine, please introduce yourself to Ayla.
Hi there, Ayla. My name is Justine Vanden Heuvel, and I am a professor of horticulture who specializes in great vines.
Thank you very much! Okay, tell us about those sounds you've picked off the vine, Lisa.
Oh, I've plucked them freshly! It's hot seat time.
That is correct. That's when we put our experts on the hot seat while they answer Ayla's questions.
Lisa, whom should we put on the hot seat first?
I choose Justine because her name begins with Just and it's one of my favorite words because you can say stuff like Just give me the ice cream, okay?
Or just give me the rhinoceros, okay? Or just give me a rhinoceros eating ice cream, okay?
Okay. That's the obvious reason. Sure, of course.
Okay, Ayla, what is your first question that you will direct to Justine?
My first question is, what is your job? So my job is a professor of horticulture so i teach a couple of different courses about grapevines.
One is called the science of grapevines and the other is called advanced viticulture.
And then I also do research on grapevines as well.
Okay, my next question is for Daryl and what is a normal day like at your job?
Yeah. Absolutely. I oversee our four holoculture divisions.
You have floriculture, forestry, nursery production, architectural horticulture, and I just make sure that all of our grapes are taken care of to the best of our abilities.
And I also fancy myself an author. So all my love researching, finding out new things.
I'm working on something right now about tomatoes as well, because I found some really cool stuff about that as well.
He's lying, they're called tomatoes. He's the liar, and now they're right away.
Okay, just ignore him, Ayla, continue. Okay.
My next question for both of you is, was the most interesting fact about grapes?
Who would like to take that first? Absolutely.
So I think there's a lot of uses and facts about grapes that I really think are super cool and special, but I think one of the things that I like the most is there are many uses in the medical field. are Sony different versatile uses that are coming out like that they can help improve with eye problems, heart disease, big stuff like that, all the way down to little things like hiccups.
Recently I discovered that there is research gone into if you have hiccups grapes can fix that pretty easily believe it or not.
Wow. That's true. Yeah, you just eat a whole bunch of grapes for like 45 minutes and then you're done.
Ooh, that's a lot of grapes. 45 minutes of grapes.
I don't know if that's true. Yeah. Well, listen, you want the hiccups or no?
I think the most interesting thing about grapes is that people have been growing them for about 8,000 years now.
They've actually been around longer, closer to 65 million years. but we have evidence from about a thousand years ago that people were growing them over in the Caucasus region.
Where is that? Georgia. So not Georgia this stilt, but Georgia the country.
Oh, okay. My next question is for Daryl.
What is the weirdest or most interesting thing that has happened at your job?
I have a really interesting one. So are the vineyard that I work at actually has a reputation for being slightly haunted?
What? Just slightly haunted. Yeah, just a little haunted, you know.
And I've never been super into it or believed in it, you know, too much, but we had One night where these kids came in after we closed, you know, had flashlights trying to look around and find ghosts.
What have you? And I saw them on our cameras.
I went out to there to tell them they need to leave.
And as they were explained to me, they were there to see the ghosts.
One of the bulbs in their flashlight exploded.
Ooh. Yes, so that was extremely frightening.
What are you saying? Yeah, that was just a coincidence.
It was the ghost of grapes? or grapes past.
The ghosts and grapes past. Sure. Okay. My next question is for Justine, how does climate change affect grapes?
That is a great question. So climate change has a very significant impact on grapes.
So if we think about West Coast versus East Coast of the United States, West Coast, there's two major problems.
There's drought, meaning they aren't getting enough rain now.
And there's the fire risk as well with the wildfires.
The east coast, our biggest problems are more variability in the temperatures through the winter.
And that causes problems with the grapes in the spring, they'll push their buds early and then they'll get hit by frost.
Or the other problem is excessive rain events.
We're getting a lot of rain in a short period of time.
And that's not good for the vineyards because it starts to wash some of the soil away.
So climate change is a significant threat for vineyards.
Oh dear. I have one more question. What's like the weirdest way you've eaten or drank in grapes?
Or like the weirdest grape you've ever had?
Oh, and that's for both of you. Well i'm not sure i can remember the weirdest grape i've ever had but i've had some very interesting grapes one of the best things i get to do for my job is to travel to some different wine regions around the world.
And there are some places like Greece or southern Italy where they grow so many unique varieties of grapes. and I get to try things over there just right from the vine or from the bottle that are completely different than the varieties of grapes that we grow here.
That would be really cool, I bet. I would say we had someone drop a bunch of specialty wines off at our vineyard one time.
And it's actually a very rare form of grape.
It's called the cabaregio. It's a combination between the pinaigrigio. grape and the Cabernet Frank grape.
And so it was very tasty. It was a wonderful, wonderful wine.
And I think that was probably a little special.
Are there any grapes that are not sweet?
Oh, they gather tons. Taco grapes? No taco grapes, but the flannel grape that is grown in the Napa Valley actually is a really good one off the top of my head that's not super sweet.
It tastes like flannel. You know it's closer than you think.
It's closer than you think. Or there are grapes that have really high acidity so they aren't perceived as being as sweet because the acids are so strong that the sugar is there but you don't really notice it.
An example would be Elvira. Thank you very much.
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It's time for the shorts on fire round and this is when our experts have to answer as many questions as they can before time runs out.
Lisa is going to set a timer for the first expert, and then Ayla will ask questions until Lisa's timer sounds, and then Lisa resets the timer for our next expert to do the same.
Experts, let's jam. Ayla, you can ask Daryl your shorts on fire questions now.
What color is the juice of a red grape? Oh, for table grapes there's not really any color to it, but in wine grapes it'd be more of a red.
What do you call grapevines that last for more than one year?
Plants in general that grow for a while are perennials, but wine, fine specifically, are dueties.
What is the name of the 40-foot-tall purple gorilla in the Hanna-Barbera cartoon?
Uh, my guess would be George. How do you grow grapes from seedless grapes if you can't plant any seeds?
Well, they're actually modified on more like a how a banana doesn't have seeds, that sort of thing.
They grow from the stem on the top. Where was the oldest known grapevine found?
That is Slovakia, I believe, and that was around 500 years old.
What is another name for a golden raisin?
Coles and raisins are sultanas, but actually a funny fact in Australia, where they dry them without the drying solution they're called vendimias.
What shape and color is the moon drop crepe?
That one is a very beautiful dark blue and it looks sort of like an eggplant shape.
Hoennium square miles on earth are used to grow grapes.
It's around 49,000 square miles, I believe.
And that is time. It's all the time we get.
I'm sorry. Listen, I'm sorry. Don't apologize.
We only get so much time. Okay. Sorry, not sorry.
Okay. Lisa, can you please reset the timer?
Oh, ouch, oh my gosh. All right, Ayla, you are now going to ask Justine, her shorts on fire questions now.
What do you call a dried grape? A raisin.
When I want to give dogs a treat, can I feed them grapes?
Absolutely not. Grapes and raisins are toxic for dogs.
Do not give your dog grapes or raisins. What grape do we use to make purple grape juice?
That's the conquered grape. How many species of grapes are there?
There's about 60 different species in vidus of grapes.
What color are white grapes? Well, they're really kind of yellow, aren't they?
If you think about white grape juice, it's really yellow.
What is the largest grape whose name means giant mountain grape?
Pass. Which country grows the most grapes?
Spain, I believe. Well, I don't know about total grapes, but Spain grows the most wine grapes.
What is the title of the 1939 novel about farm workers during the Great Depression?
Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck. What kind of grape can grow in Alaska?
None. Are there wine grapes that are native to America?
There are, there's muscadines that are grown in the Carolinas and they are used for wine.
And that is time! That's all time. That's it.
Sorry. Well done! It's decision time. Ayla must cluster all the facts she's heard today and decide which expert is really too great short of a fruit salad.
Ayla, who is our big fibber? I think it's sterile because there were some facts during the shorts on fire round that weren't true.
I see a stickler for facts, are you? Let's see if you are correct.
Will the actual rapes expert please say I am the great expert?
I am the great expert, Ella. Oh, you've done it, Ella.
Good work. Did it, that is correct, yes.
Justine Vanden Heuvel is a professor in the School of Integrative Plant Sciences at Cornell University.
Her research teaching focuses on the science of wine grape production.
Very good, Ella. All right, let's do some back checking.
Justine, what lies to Darryl Tell that made you feel like whining?
Well, to my knowledge, there is no grape called Cabarigio, but there should be because it's a first name for a wine grape.
I disagree that Flannel is a wine grape in Napa, nor is it a good name for a wine grape.
He said that in wine grapes the juice is red, which is not correct.
In most red wine grapes the juice is actually clear.
Said something about duavities, and well, he was sort of right, Daryl.
Good work on propagating grapes. It's a little bit like banana, I think, in that it's propagated vegetatively.
But bananas do have seeds, by the way. He said that like bananas don't have seeds, they do have little teeny seeds.
That's true. I started lying about fruit and I couldn't stop.
I apologize. And the moon drop grapes, do we know that one, Justine?
I know nothing about moon drop grapes, right?
That one I was honest on there, they're actually a very beautiful.
Looking great, little eggplant oval shape and dark blue.
Yeah, I just discovered those too. They're very interesting and very sweet.
Very cool and then the number of square miles on the earth to grow grapes.
Do we know that was that correct? It is not correct, no.
Yes, let's bring that over to you, Daryl.
Which of your facts were more like sour grapes?
So it is Slovenia, not Slovakia, where the oldest grapevine is found.
The square miles on Earth to grow grapes is actually around 29,000 square miles, not 49,000.
Wow. That's still a lot of miles. It is a lot of miles.
Yeah, absolutely. And then, oh yeah, the Golden Rays, I said something about it.
Australia having a different name yes you said it was sultana which is correct but then you said some other name like yes Australia does though I thought that was pretty interesting some of their grapes they use without a drying solution to turn into Sultanas, so I just made up a name for that.
And then in the four areas of horticulture, I tried to throw that in at the beginning.
The last one is not architectural horticulture, it is landscape horticulture.
Oh. And grapes do not cure hiccups, and I think that is it.
Oh. What? No, that one's true. You eat them for 45 minutes.
That's not true. Now, just for fun, the name of the 40-foot-tall purple gorilla in the Hanna-Barbera cartoon is named grape ape.
That's his name. But we do want to reiterate, we should not give dogs grapes.
They are not good for dogs, right, Justine?
That is correct. Even if they say please.
Even if they say please say it's for your own good, no, we shan't.
And the large grape whose name means giant mountain grape is the Kyoho grape.
Oh, I've seen that grape. I didn't know what that name meant.
That's a good fact for me to know. Thank you.
Good, you're welcome. All right, then we can all learn something here today.
All right, that was very well done. Congratulations, Ayla.
You did a very fine job. It is time to wind down.
Thanks to our contestant Ayla for her fruitful investigation.
Thank you to our expert and liar Justine and Darryl and and to Lisa, a sound effects robot, never to be superseded.
And of course, many thanks to our listeners tuning in to The Big Fib, where Finding Truth is our raisin, Devtra, and where we leave lies, dead on the vine.
While you're there, you can send questions for me to read and ask Lisa and find out how you can participate.
Also, hey, follow us on social media at the Big Fit Podcast where behind-the-scenes photos and more true facts Also, nobody mentioned cotton candy grapes, and those are delicious.
Mention them, I did now.
