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Today's episode is going to be a longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us.
So today I am delighted to welcome Laurie Palau to the show.
She is the host of the Organized Life podcast, author of the book, Hot Mess, Outer of the Business, Simply Be Organized.
So Lori, welcome to the show. Thank you so much.
It's a pleasure to be here. I love sitting on the other side of a podcast mic.
Oh, absolutely. It's a totally different experience.
So why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
Okay, well, I'll try to give it the quick short version.
So I'm a mom to two grown-ish kids. I have a... almost 22-year-old and 25-year-old.
So kind of in a... new season of life where my youngest just graduated college.
And so that's bringing on a whole different type of mothering.
And then professionally, I run a company called Simply Be Organized where I write, teach, speak all about decluttering all parts of your life, whether it's the physical stuff in your home, whether it's more of the productivity side of things where you're reducing things in your calendar or just kind of relational things that are the mental block of keeping you stuck where you are.
And yeah, and I had a podcast for eight years and I just made the decision. that when we talk about editing our lives and things that we need to make changes, we just made the decision that we are going to be ending our show, which is. scary and exciting, all the things.
So that's kind of... where I am personally and professionally.
And how did you get involved in the organizing business?
So it was really by happenstance. I tell the story.
It was... very anticlimactic in a sense that I was just always somebody that was very organized.
When my kids were little, My husband traveled a ton, so I had to create systems and strategies for my own sanity.
That was it. And I guess my brain just works that way.
And my past life... I was an executive recruiter and I loved working with people.
I always liked working with people and finding out what motivated them.
And in my old world, it was all that would motivate them for change in their careers.
Was it freedom? Was it... Status, was it, you know, fill in the blank.
And in the recession of 2008, 2009, So much of my client work was impacted And a friend of mine who's an interior designer made the recommendation of like, hey, you might want to try doing this professionally.
And I really took the skills that I was using with recruiting and just applied them in a different realm.
And so I started working with people to find out about their motivation and for holding onto things or wanting to get rid of things.
And I found that there was a lot of overlap In the work that I was doing, it was just showing up differently.
Yeah. And one of the things you talk about, I love the The big phrase on your website was, it's not about the bins.
So for those of us who think that organization, we like our bins, perhaps.
Why is it not about the bins? Because...
For me, and this is where I always put the disclaimer that I pretend I'm a fake therapist.
I'm really not. So with all... And the utmost respect to anybody that has letters after their name.
I do not. But after doing this for 15 years and just kind of being a student of personalities and human development, I really find that clutter is the symptom. and disorganization is the symptom.
And really, I can give you the tools to meeting the bin, the basket, the filing cabinet, whatever.
And we can create those systems But ultimately, it's about how it makes us feel.
How does this stuff make us feel? What is driving our behavior to make the decisions or not make the decisions to either act or not act? on our stuff.
And once we have that light bulb switch, that's when change really happens.
And so many people think, if I just had... And I know for myself, right?
If I just had... the beautiful built-in closet, if I just had the custom bud room, if I just had the fill in the blank, then my problems wouldn't be there.
And we all know this in so many different aspects of our lives.
That's just not the case. We have to really kind of get in beneath the surface.
Well, what is clutter a symptom of then?
If that's the symptom, what is it? I mean, I think for a lot of people, it can range, right?
It can range anywhere from... It's a symptom of chaos.
It's a symptom of control. It's a symptom of...
You know, I have like these like five kind of C's, you know, it's confusion.
It is fear. People are paralyzed where they are.
There's all of these different reasons. There's not just one reason why. why we get stuck.
And, you know, I think the key to unlocking what clutter is where your own clutter pitfall is, is doing some self-discovery.
And sometimes when I go deep and we look at Sometimes it is situational.
I call it like situational clutter versus chronic clutter.
Situational clutter is... Listen, we're in a busy season of life, we've got kids, we're running around, We're using our home as a drop zone, so we're not really spending the time to build put the stuff away, do the laundry, put it away, go through the mail.
And we just need to kind of get back on track.
That's situational clutter. And maybe it is something as benign as, hey, let's get this bin or basket and it's going to solve the problem.
But where it starts to become a pain point for people is when it becomes, goes into more of the chronic, like this is an, ongoing issue in our home.
And this is, I'm constantly the only one you know, I'm filling in the blank, right?
I'm the only one that cleans up after everybody or nobody listens to me or, you know, Why can't I, no matter how much I declutter, it just keeps creeping back.
And then it's let's look at, well, what are the patterns of behavior?
How are you communicating? Is it a problem with yourself?
Is it something that you're not holding yourself accountable?
Is it, I'm not communicating well? the expectation clearly with the other people in my house, which is oftentimes the case.
And so when we look at all the different nuances, that's when we can start to develop an actual system that is gonna hopefully be sustainable for you.
I would say it's one of those seized children.
Yes. Because I feel like- I mean, I can have a good grasp on my own stuff and it's fine.
But I have many, many other people bringing things into the house.
Yeah, and that's real. And that's a struggle that most of my clients and most of the people that I work with are struggling with.
And I get it, you know, and that's why I always kind of lead with and I only had two humans, you have five kids, you know?
And so everyone's coming with their own stuff literally and figuratively that is going to get in the way of how you want to get that done.
Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to take a quick ad break and then I will be back with more from Lori Pillow.
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Well, I am back talking with Lori Palau, who's the owner of the business Simply Be Organized.
All right, so... I love practical tips on this show.
We've talked about the deeper issues of clutter.
But if somebody's like, okay... I want some quick solutions, some things that I can do maybe today. to help with the organization in my life, whether that's you know, stuff or whether it's temporal or whatever it is.
What do you have for us? Okay. So, I mean, there are some basics, which are, I really think... doing a sweep of your house on the regular is really important.
And that could mean you know, sweeping, getting, if you have little ones at home, getting the toys corralled and wrangled.
And I'm not saying you have to be doing it 10 times a day, But have a couple of design packets in your day, whether it's...
First thing in the morning, obviously before bed, maybe there's a midday sweep if you're home, just to kind of keep things at bay.
I'm a big fan also of not having dirty dishes in the sink.
That might be my thing. I like to create a system for running the dishwasher.
And it's funny now that I used to always say, run the dishwasher every day, run the dishwasher every day.
When I had a busy household with lots of people, That was a no brainer.
Now, when it's just my husband and myself, we're not necessarily running it every day, but I still get in the habit of, of running it at night when I do run it.
And so that way it gets, unloaded first thing in the morning.
And so any dirty dishes throughout the day can just funnel themselves into there.
Another quick tip that I have for people is go through the mail every day.
I try not to even bring in the junk. mail.
I would put it right in the recycling bin.
But I go through the mail every day. And if you and this is obviously space dependent, but one of the things that was a huge game changer when it came to that paper clutter was we moved our shredder downstairs into our... I have a desk command center in my kitchen.
Totally get it that not everybody has this space, but I moved my shredder there And that eliminated that extra step of going, oh, I need to go up to my home office and and have this pile of stuff to shred.
I could just do it on the spot. So just making things super, super convenient and easy so that you're adding fewer steps to get your stuff done.
Yeah, because if it takes a lot of time and effort, you're not going to do it.
Right. Absolutely. Yeah. No, I love that.
That's good. I'm curious if you have any particular routines that make you more productive.
So we start to transition into scheduling here.
Yeah, I mean... This, and again, I always feel like this sounds so obvious, but maybe it doesn't.
I'm not sure. I have always gotten up earlier than my kids.
I've always created an extra buffer. I'm a morning person, but I like to have that Even if it's 15 to 30 minutes where I could have a cup of coffee, I could just sit with my thoughts.
I've gone through different seasons of my life.
Sometimes I would journal, sometimes I would read, sometimes I would scroll.
Whatever it is that you are going to do, for me, having that little buffer allows me to then, when I had to kick into mom mode or going off to work mode or client mode or whatever it was, I could then flip that switch.
But I needed that break. I call it putting the margin in my day.
And so that always... has helped me. So that's kind of like my morning routine.
And then I'm a big time blocker. and I know you're a productivity person, so I'm sure your listeners are familiar with that, but I like to just chunk my time And to... So that I...
I know when I know like I'm in work mode short of an emergency that's coming up, I will just tailor any personal stuff or volunteer stuff or stuff that's not related to work later.
And I give myself that permission because I know that this window of time, whatever that window of time is, allows me... to be focused in on that task.
And I do the same when it comes to decluttering a space.
You know, I'm giving myself X amount of time, whether it's 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, four hours, whatever that window is I'm like I'm setting aside this time to do this task and Everything else can wait.
That means laundry, meal prep, whatever.
Do people wind up with cluttered schedules in the same way that they wind up with cluttered homes?
Absolutely. Yes, we call it calendar clutter here.
When I teach about clutter, I talk about three main types.
The physical clutter, which is the stuff that you see, the emotional clutter, which is like guilt or fear that holds people back, and then calendar clutter.
Obviously there's other clutter like digital clutter and things like that.
But those three areas, if you were to look at like a, you know, a diagram, like you would see them as like concentric circles overlapping.
That's And that calendar clutter will indirectly oftentimes lead to the physical clutter.
You are so busy and you are constantly on the go.
It doesn't leave time for, for you to address the physical stuff that needs attending to, laundry, dishes, mail, what have you.
So how can we get rid of some of that schedule clutter?
I think it comes down to prioritizing. What are your goals really?
And how important is this thing to you? You know, I make a lot of analogies about working out and... health and fitness to decluttering your life, whatever that looks like.
And if you're, you know, something's going to give.
And I'm always here to tell people, like, listen, if you want to be... scheduled constantly, then you have to be okay with either outsourcing and paying somebody to do the things that need to get done. or come to a piece of acceptance that you're going to have that.
If you are in like, you know, a realistic analogy would be, It's summertime now, at least at the time that we're recording this.
People wanna be outside. I get it. You wanna go to the beach.
You wanna go to the lake. You wanna go wherever.
And if you're gone all weekend, every single weekend, and you work during the week, you That leaves you little time to get done those things. be giving yourself a pass that, okay, our house is going to be a little bit more messy, but if that stresses you out, then you have to be intentional. have that discipline because really so much of organizing, once you find that system and strategy that works for you.
It's really just about rinse and repeat.
It's the discipline of doing it, just like if you were to work out or eat healthy.
It's just to say... okay, I'm not going to eat the ice cream or I'm not going to have dessert.
Or maybe you want to have it and that's okay.
But then you have to just accept the fact that Maybe the scale's not going to move in the direction I want it to, but I enjoyed the ice cream.
So you just have to kind of recognize...
You necessarily can't have both things at the same time.
Yeah. I mean, it's the reality that household management and life administration take time And we can tell ourselves that they don't, but then they're going to stack up. and create this sort of schedule clutter.
Or you can sort of have... the time built in to deal with them and understand that this, if you don't want it to take time, that doesn't really matter.
It's either your time or somebody's time.
Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. I haven't said it much recently, but I used to talk really about be looking at yourself as a CEO of your home.
And the CEO of like in any business, oversees everything.
And then they have different people that facilitate different aspects of the business.
And if you look at your home that way and you can itemize okay, who's being in charge of this particular area?
Maybe that's you. Maybe that's a paid professional.
Maybe that's your kids. Maybe that's your spouse, whatever that looks like, but really identifying it because we can't, do all of the things all the time.
Just like in a business, you can't have one person just running the show.
Absolutely. All right. Well, we're going to take one more quick ad break and then I'll be back with more from Lori Palau.
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Well, I am back talking with Lori Palau, who's the owner of the Simply Be Organized business and has also been the host of the This Organized Life podcast.
But We learned earlier that you are, you know, going to be ending that.
I wonder if you can talk about that decision.
Yeah, it was probably one of the hardest professional decisions I've had to make.
So I don't know if there's a lot of entrepreneurs that are listening to your show.
I'm imagining that there are. But anytime you have to walk away from something that you like... and that you are good at is really hard.
I wrote an article afterwards. I wrote a letter to my to my listeners to just, again, not only thank them, but to say, I really put my organizer hat on and try to channel... how my clients feel about getting rid of things that they might still love, but maybe aren't serving them well. the way they once were.
And it's okay to grieve that. And so for me, it really came down to the fact that I was entering this new season of life.
I've been talking about it on the show and also on my social media.
We bought a little cottage that we've been renovating.
And that is taking up a lot of my time and attention.
And I needed to create space for something new.
And I don't even know what that is. And that's really scary also in its own right.
But I knew that my calendar was full with all the things that I was doing and what was required of the podcast and as much as I love it, I felt to a degree I've said all of the key things.
I wanted to be a resource for people and it's still there.
But I needed to say, okay, let's give space for something new.
And so it was really hard. And I'll see what happens.
I always say never say never. I love this medium.
I love this platform. I mean, I love helping people, so we'll see.
Yeah. Well, I say that open space invites opportunity. in a way that a cluttered calendar can't.
I mean, it's just, you can't say yes to new things if you feel like every minute is spoken for.
It's always exciting to see what comes next.
But I've been interested to see with your business.
I mean, because with a business like organizing, obviously there's only so much that you personally can do, right?
There's only so much it can grow if you are in people's houses for a certain amount of time.
And so you've come up with some interesting ways to scale a business that is based around you.
So I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that.
Yeah, thanks. And it's very interesting because I started in this business in 2009.
And I tell people all the time, especially for newer organizers, just to put it in context, there was no Instagram and there was no Pinterest. when I started.
So you think about how these platforms, especially in my world of organizing, have helped people start, scale, and grow their businesses.
Like that didn't even exist. back when I started.
And I think when you're in any type of... hands-on business where it's a time for money trade.
Scaling has a couple of different ways they can do it.
You can either scale it by bringing in a team and basically duplicating yourself or other versions of yourself.
And I didn't necessarily, I had assistance, but I didn't want to necessarily go that route.
Because then your life becomes a lot of management and project management of other people.
And I really love the relational piece, that one on one.
And so in order for me to scale, because like you said, there are only so many hours in a day, I had to basically develop other revenue streams that could complement and offset my either peaks and valleys within the business of like when times were, you know, slower with clients or just other ways that I could tap into different markets.
And so in my specific case, I started a speaker series called The Clutter Clinic.
And it was designed as a way, I've noticed early on that there were a lot of people that were very interested in what I was saying.
They were that this is back in the block, like when blogging was in its heyday.
They were subscribed to my blog. They were getting my email.
They were on my email list, all the things. but they weren't converting to be a client.
And maybe they weren't converting to a client because of embarrassment Maybe they weren't converting client because of cost.
Maybe it was another reason. Maybe it was that I think I can do it myself or I want to do it myself.
I want to be a DIYer. I just don't have the tools.
And so I said, how can I reach that market and essentially monetize that market that isn't necessarily falling into that textbook luxury client that wants you to come and do it with them or for them.
And so I said, what if I develop this Lunch and Learn series where people could pay, they get some content and have it in a fun, very non-threatening way, and then leave with some action steps.
And so that wound up becoming becoming another revenue stream for me to, and it was a win-win because I was able to access another market and also be able to share kind of my strategies and theories.
And then once the podcast came about, It opened up another door for me, which I hadn't originally thought of.
But it opened up the door to allow me to mentor other people professional organizers.
And I started the podcast in 2017. And just again, for context, that's when Marie Kondo started becoming really popular.
And then once COVID hit and a lot of people were trying to figure out alternative ways to generate money and... with social media, there's a low barrier of entry for the professional organizing space, which is a good and a bad thing.
And so you had a lot of people that were coming in and starting either side hustles or starting businesses, but they really struggled with some of the tech business acumen, right?
They knew how to organize. That wasn't the issue.
They loved that. But running a business, running an organizing business was a little bit of a struggle.
And so the... The podcast attracted... organically other people interested in the space.
And so that allowed me to then develop a mentorship program where I do group and individual mentorship. where I'm teaching other organizers how to sustainably grow their businesses in their respective markets.
Excellent. Excellent. Well, Lori, I always ask people on the show this question.
What is something you have done recently to take a day from great to awesome?
That's a really good question. Yeah. I really think it comes down to gratitude and just your mindset, right, of just recognizing that where you are is a gift.
And, you know, I just came off of being... the luxury of being away for almost a month at our beach house renovating it. which I've never in my life been away for that long.
And yes, I was working remotely. But I just kept reminding myself how fortunate I am Not only to be able to be in this beautiful space, but just... like that I was healthy and that I had all of these, I have great friendships and relationships.
And so wherever you are, even if you're not doing that, and you're in the weeds, trying to just take that moment of gratitude for whatever it is that you're grateful for, I think just really helps me to elevate kind of what's going on even when things don't necessarily go exactly the way that you want that can really reframe yeah Absolutely.
We can savor the good things that are happening and get through the bad.
So Lori, where can people find you? So best place to find me is my website, which is the hub of all the things. and that's simply the letter BeLikeBoyOrganized.com and you can connect up.
There's a link for... the podcast because even though we're not doing new episodes, we have over 500 episodes of all kinds of organizing stuff.
And there's the book and coaching and all that fun stuff there.
Absolutely. Alright, well, Lori, thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you to everyone for listening. If you have feedback about this or any other episode, you can always reach me at Laura at LauraVanderkam.com.
And in the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening.
And here's to making the most of our time.
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