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Hey weirdos, I'm terrified. And I'm real afraid.
And this is Morbid. Reporting live from the Lizzie Borden house. spook motherfuckers only nice things to say Liz That's right.
We are coming to you right now from the spookiest place on planet Earth, in my opinion right now.
To be honest with you, I don't think I've ever felt more on edge in my fucking life.
Yeah, this is pretty terrible. And the fact that we're going to be talking about the case in the house that it happened. is making me feel some type of way.
I feel like people are gonna get mad, and by people I mean ghosts, and by ghosts I mean please don't come out to play.
Yeah, please. We're trying to be real respectful here.
So what we are going to do is I am going to try my hardest to call Lizzie.
Lizbeth. Because that's what she like. Because when she moved out of this house, after, spoiler alert, she got acquitted...
She went to another house, which we'll talk about in part two, because this is a two-parter, guys.
Because there's a lot to cover in the second half.
So once she moved out, went to her own house, she didn't want kids coming over and singing that damn nursery rhyme again.
Which we're not going to sing. Nope, definitely not.
And so she changed her name to Lizbeth. And that's what is on her gravestone right now.
Fun fact. So I'm going to try to be respectful of Lizbeth and call her Lizbeth.
Because I'm not trying to get eaten alive today I am not trying to fucking piss off any spirits up in here It's like really cold in this room It's freezing in here I'm really not liking this, to be perfectly honest.
I feel scared. Shit's going down. Okay, guys?
Shit has gone awry. So we just wanted to quickly just go over a few things, like how... you know, how we felt in this house, what we've seen in the house.
I've felt spooked. I've seen spook. Yeah.
First of all, we are staying in like the least, well, it's the room with the least history in it.
Straight up used to be a storage closet.
Which is how we like it. But right now, we are sitting in the sitting room. of the lizzie borden house where andrew borden i feel weird saying this because it's exactly where it happened and I am currently sitting where he got got.
Andrew Borden got... His face smashed in with a hatchet in this room, in this very seat that we are recording in.
So... That's awesome, but not at all. Yeah, not awesome at all.
So far, I got to say in the downstairs of this place, I'm not feeling only in the sitting room.
I'm feeling like somewhat a little bit like, oh, hey, Andrew, what's going on? everywhere else I'm kind of like yeah I'm okay here but I don't like that room over there yeah I just like keep I don't like it I know.
Every now and then. And I thought it was just me.
Oh, fuck. I kept seeing something out of the corner of my eye.
And I kept looking over into that sitting room.
But then I kept seeing everything. Ash, look over into that sitting room, too, and now I'm realizing that we're both seeing something out of the corner of our eyes.
If you're in the sitting room, we come in peace.
Please don't touch us. If you're in the sitting room, please stand up.
Would the real... Nope, never mind. Oh, I just got like whole ass chills.
Because I think they knew that you were about to sing Eminem to them.
They're pissed about it. I would be too.
Actually, no. If somebody sang Eminem to me in the afterlife, I'd be like, that's my bro.
These are my people. We are kin. So basically what we've seen is, you know, Lizzie and Emma's room has some type of vibe to it for sure.
Mm hmm. I gotta say, the room where Abby was murdered in, the guest room...
While it's spooky, it didn't give me super dark vibes, which I was very surprised.
You know where the darkest vibes are? I do.
Where nothing happened in the master bedroom.
I walked into that room... And I don't want to go back up there.
I was absolutely freezing and I hated it.
That's how I felt. You and I were both like, what is going on in this room?
It's Andrew and Abby's bedroom. Like nothing happened there.
Nobody was attacked. Nothing. But I'm starting to feel like, and I feel weird saying this... out loud but i'm starting to feel like it's andrew who has the darkest vibes here what it has to do with andrew i don't want you to say that No, it's true though.
Like he's given me some, and you know what?
I think he knows he's given dark vibes. So he's probably happy that I'm acknowledging this.
He got like wicked goth in the afterlife.
He did. He painted his nails black. He's metal as fuck.
He is metal as fuck. I'm trying not to swear in here.
Thank you. Oh, yeah, because it's Victorian times.
Yeah, they'd be like, who is this trash bag in my living room?
Who is this tart in my living room? This woman is trash.
So, yeah, so we definitely felt the worst.
What the fuck was that? Dude, what the... What was that?
I wanna go home. Did that pick up on the thing?
I don't know. I don't see the, if you guys, I don't know if you guys heard that, but it was really loud.
I don't... Something literally... It's in that fucking sitting room, man.
I don't, like... I don't... Can we leave?
If you guys didn't hear that, it was a legit distinct knock, right?
Yes. What the fuck? No, I don't want it.
And we keep hearing that. Oh, fuck that.
I'm not into that. I don't want to be here.
Maybe I said too much about Andrew. I'm sorry.
I told you not to say. I'm sorry, Andrew.
You have light and fluffy vibes. Now he's going to absolutely slaughter you.
He's going to be like, oh, you think I'm light and fluffy?
You trumpet. You flute. You floozy. Yes.
Okay. We should probably get into the case so that we can get the fuck out of here.
Yeah. There I go swearing again. What a chart.
What a tart. I'm a pop tart. What? Did you hear that?
No. I'm not even kidding you. I swear I just heard somebody walking around.
Like where? Like in the kitchen. Oh, no.
Maybe. I think that guy upstairs came down a minute ago.
But he would come down these stairs. Okay, guys, I'm not even gonna... Okay, nope.
You didn't... It's fine. Oh, fuck. I don't like this.
We didn't hear a damn thing. I think it's because...
They know we're about to podcast about their lives and after lives.
And they're no, no, no, no, no. All right.
We're going to get into this because. we want to sit and stare at the wall until dawn so that we know that we survived you're not going to sleep right i'm not going to sleep No, I'm not going to sleep.
I'm actually not asking you that question.
You're just not fucking going to sleep. Yeah, we're not going to sleep.
Not happening. All right, so Lizbeth Andrew Borden. was born on July 19, 1860, in Fall River, Massachusetts.
Now, a lot of people think, as the nursery rhyme goes, I'm just going to say a quick one because it's part of the story.
I'm sorry, Lisbeth. No. I got to do it. A lot of people think she gave her mother 40 whacks.
Well, Abby Borden was not actually her biological mother.
She was her stepmother. Her biological mother was a woman named Sarah and her father was 70 year old Andrew Jackson Borden.
She had one older sister named Emma Lenora Borden.
I love that middle name, Lenora. That's pretty.
It is pretty. Unfortunately, Sarah Borden died early in Lizzie's life in 1862.
In 1862, when Lizbeth was only two years old and her sister Emma was only 12.
That's sad. That's really sad. Andrew Borden remarried only two or three years later to 65-year-old Abby Durfee Gray.
Later to be Abby Durfee Gray Borden. Did you say 65-year-old?
Yeah. She was 65 when they got married?
She was 65 when she died. Oh, I was like, what the fuck?
Sorry. So she was 65 when she died. Lisbeth was 32 years old at the time of the murders, and her sister Emma was 42.
Which a lot of people don't know. A lot of people think she was younger from what I've heard.
So the Borden name was huge in Fall River.
And Lisbeth's family in particular was very well off.
Andrew was a pretty badass real estate developer.
You hear that, Andrew? You were a badass real estate developer.
Claps to you, snaps to you, all of the above.
All of it. He was also a manufacturer, an investor, and just like a savvy businessman in general.
He could also claim descent from one of the founding families of Fall River.
Whoa, George Washington? So fancy. Hey, I don't think George Washington founded Fall River, but I think he did personally.
Paul Revere. You know, all those. Paul Revere was here in Boston.
Paul Revere was here. He wrote that on the bathroom stall everywhere.
This is our historical wrap. So apparently, however, he had begun as an undertaker, and according to an American Heritage article, He was said to have cut the feet off of dead people to squeeze them into smaller coffins to cut costs.
Andrew was? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's fine, Andrew.
Everything's cool. Don't worry about it.
That's very savvy, Andrew. What's that man's doing?
He's being savvy, Ash. That's what he's doing.
You're so savvy, Andy. So savvy. So he was very, let's say, frugal with his money.
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And actually, side note, we took a really great tour of the Lizzie Borden house.
Shout out to Sue. Sue, our tour guide, was phenomenal.
It's like a two hour tour and you think that's going to be a long time, but holy shit.
You end up at the end of it being like, can you give me more though?
Because she is... The tour guides are engaging.
They know literally every single bit of history about this house, this family, this crime, everything.
And they take you through every little detail.
And they also show you any paranormal things that happen in all the rooms, which is spook spooktacular.
We even got to go to the basement. We did.
That was a trip. And so we want to say we recommend highly coming to the Lizzie Borden House in Fall River because... they do an amazing job here they really do and it's not even expensive It's not.
And it's worth it because this place is awesome.
I mean, you're in a crime scene. It's one of the most famous crime scenes in United States history.
So do it. You guys need to come here. We're not getting paid for this.
We just love the place. Do it. You won't.
So the reason I wanted to talk about the tour really quick was that our tour guide Sue said that they like to refer to Andrew as...
Frugal, because calling him anything else may make him angry.
So we don't want to do that. So he's just frugal, guys.
Peace and blessings. Exactly. So frugal old Andrew.
He just liked to cut corners a lot in areas of his life to squirrel away his fortune, let's say, because he was worth millions.
Also at the time of the murders, the family had a 26-year-old Irish servant named Bridget Sullivan.
And at the time, she had worked for the family for about three years and lived in the home.
Fun fact about what... spirited young ladies Lizbeth and Emma could be at times.
They had a previous maid named Maggie. And they didn't feel like it was important to learn Bridget's name, so they just called her Maggie, and she was expected to respond to it.
I'm going to go ahead and say it. That's a dick move.
Oh God. I thought you were going to be light about that.
Nah, that's a dick move. And I think Lizbeth and Emma both know that.
I think. Yep. Bye. So I'm just saying. Next subject.
I'm just saying. Now, like I said, Andrew is known to be somewhat of a miser.
He was super rich, but he didn't like to spend it.
He kept them in a nice but modest home, where we sit right now, at 92 Second Street, and was, uh...
Again, frugal. Their home that we are in right now didn't even have electricity or a bath.
Any bathrooms, no bathrooms, no electricity, no running water, which at the time people had running water and electricity.
It was becoming a thing. And he had. plenty of resources to have that in his home but he was like nah chop your feet off instead exactly Chop your feet off instead of going to the bathroom.
It works exactly the same. Little side note.
They do have bathrooms, running water and electricity in the home right now.
So if you come here, you will have a bathroom, you will have electricity and you will have running water. i'm afraid to go to the bathroom yes ash and i have decided that we are not going to the bathroom by ourselves Do you want to go to the girls' room with me?
Yeah, it's going to be one of those joint field trips together.
Hey, I'm drinking lots of water, so get ready.
I'm not. So the whole this infuriated Liz, Beth and Emma.
They the fact that their father had tons of money. and was not willing to spend it on the luxuries of life.
Lisbeth especially was really obsessed with living on the hill. which was the upper-class neighborhood in Fall River.
That's where all the parties were had, the upper-crust parties.
That's where all the fancy houses were. That's where all the well-to-do were living.
But Andrew wanted to live in the downtown area, which is where this house is right now, because that's where...
It was right near all his businesses, so he could walk out his front door, like our tour guide said, and he could be right in front of everything he needed to be in to check up on all his businesses.
Smart. Very smart, Andrew. As for their relationship with Abby...
They were concerned. I think it began fine enough.
Like, I don't know if they ever had a, like, super close relationship.
The tour guide said that they used to call her mother.
Yeah, so I think it was just like... That's our stepmother.
We call her mother. It was like copacetic.
Yeah, like everything was fine. But then they kind of became a little concerned that she was maybe with their father for money and that her family was going to step in and inherit his cash before them.
This was because of one big incident. Abby's half sister fell on hard times and Andrew decided to give her a rental property. this pissed emma and lizbeth off because they were like bitch if you give her that then you better give us something better and i think that's literally what they said I kind of don't blame them though.
Yeah. Like we don't have a bathroom and you're giving someone a whole ass rental property.
Yeah. I mean, I get it. So he did decide to give them a rental property of their own.
So nice of you, Andrew. But they soon realized that all the rent money they were getting from the rental property was having to be funneled back into the rental property to fix all the disrepair that was happening.
Which is just what having a rental property is but I guess they didn't know that.
And they were like, yeah, we don't want this anymore because we're just using all the rent money to fucking fix it up.
And we're bored of this. So Andrew bought the property back from his two daughters at double the cost.
Yeah, he bought it back for $5,000, which I guess it was worth $2,000. oh so after this whole thing they were super cold about abby And this is actually when Lisbeth started referring to her as Mrs. Borden as opposed to mother.
That's kind of savage. That's super savage.
Lizbeth is pretty savage. Lizbeth was actually so bold about her hatred for her stepmother at that point in life.
Then even after the police showed up to investigate the bodies of Andrew and Abby later, Lisbeth corrected a police officer and said, she is not my mother. when they referred to her as her mother.
Yikes. Especially in that situation, it's like, girl, just swallow that.
Don't just hand them a motive. No, that is not my mama.
That is not my mama. She said it just like that.
She did. Although both the sisters had kind of given up the idea of getting married at this point.
I know. That's sad. Because this was different times.
It was all about Yeah, if you were 30, you were a spinster.
Yeah, they were both considered spinsters.
Emma seemed more kind of like the spinster and the traditional sense of the word in that she kind of was isolated, kind of plain, wasn't very interested in going to parties and social events.
Lisbeth was actually pretty active socially.
She was well known as a member of the Center Congressional Church.
She taught Sunday school classes. She volunteered.
She cooked dinners for the church, like the whole nine yards.
And according to the same American Heritage article that I mentioned earlier, She was also active in the Ladies Fruit and Flower Mission, the Women's Christian Temperance Union, and the Good Samaritan Charity Hospital.
Aren't we all? So she was actually in later in her life.
She continued being like huge philanthropist.
Yeah. Super into charity. Very into charity.
And she did a lot of it anonymously. Because they were probably rude about it.
Yeah, well, and that's, honestly, isn't that the real charity when you do it without trying to get your name on the building?
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So, and not only was she into all these charity things, but she was also, she was ready to find some good, you know, upper crust dude.
Aren't we all? Or lady. Because there has been rumblings that... possibly the reason she was not married at 32 was maybe because she was into ladies.
That's what they say about everybody. I think so too.
I think it's bullshit. It doesn't matter.
I think it just like adds something to the story.
So people are like, she killed her parents and she was a lesbian.
That's exactly what I think. I think they were like, oh, you know, let's make this like sound salacious.
And I think it's rude of people to judge Lizbeth.
That's what I'm saying, Lizbeth. At most respect, Lizbeth.
Whatever you were doing, do you. Boo. Just don't kill people.
Or, yeah, bye. But I think it's too late for that.
So it's fine. Everything's fine. Don't pass judgment.
I'm totally passing judgment. So, Andrew is not a really super popular dude around Fall River.
No? No. He wasn't like this jolly guy that came tooting out of his house and was just like, Hello!
Whistling and tipping his hat at people.
I was literally just going to say tipping his hat at everybody and just be like, Howdy ho in the morning.
Good morrow, sir. Good morrow. No, he wasn't that.
No. So on August 2nd, 1892, only two days before the murders, the entire family, except for Lisbeth and Emma, who was out of town at the time.
Got violently ill. Abby and Andrew feared that they had been poisoned.
Obviously, it's a little odd to assume that you were poisoned instead of being like, maybe we have a stomach bug.
But maybe they had reason to believe that they had been poisoned.
Exactly. So nobody knows whether they were suspecting anybody in their home of doing this or if they were suspecting people outside of the home to do this.
One person said that they one thing I read said that they thought that the milk they were getting delivered was possibly being poisoned.
Now, one morning after being sick, like violently ill all night, Abby went across the street to the doctor's home and told him the situation.
She was like, yo, we're all sick. I think someone's poisoning us.
He was like, yeah, dude, you're just eating bad food.
Like, chill. That's verbatim what he said.
It's like historical transcripts. I was literally going to say it's in the transcripts.
It is. So he was like, just fucking stop being so frugal and stop letting your food go nasty and then still eating it.
That's pretty much why you're sick, probably.
You're rich. Eat some good shit. Yeah, because I think it was like warmed over fish or something that she said that they had had the night before.
Okay, sis, come on. And he was like, yeah, that's probably it.
Well, and I think that's he was like, I don't even have to use my medical degree for this.
Pretty sure you're eating bad food. Like go home and rest.
So he sent her home. August 3rd, the next day, Lisbeth visited her friend Miss Alice Russell.
She was a very good friend of Emma's. In the end, she was not.
Just putting that out there. Alice Russell later said during a testimony at Liz Beth's trial.
That Lizzie had told her that she felt something bad was going to happen to the family.
I keep seeing shadows in that room. I know, I do too.
My eyes keep flicking over there. I don't want to be here.
I don't love it. So she was already premonitioning that the day before the murders that something bad might happen to this family, which I'm like, Lisbeth.
If you're gonna, you know, get some people got, don't go around just being like, I think something bad's gonna happen here.
You just reminded me of John Mulaney. I always do John Mulaney.
I don't know why my body goes into John Mulaney mode.
Maybe you're possessing him. Like, do you think John Mulaney goes into full Elena mode?
John Mulaney. That'd be boring. Write in.
Tell us. Just kidding. Now I want John Mulaney to tell us if he goes into full Elena mode.
He doesn't. He does. So she told Alice Russell, you know, something bad's going to happen to the family.
She said there was burglary attempts on their home.
She said quote I feel as if something was hanging over me that I cannot throw off.
Father has so much trouble. I am afraid somebody will do something.
Um, no. It's not good, Lesbeth. That's not good.
Not a good murder plan. It's really not.
You're not covering your tracks very well so far, girl.
You should be like saying how much you love your daddy.
I love my daddy. I would never dispatch of my daddy.
I would never do that. My daddy. is the nicest man in town.
And I know we live in Fall River, but I'm just saying he's so nice.
And suddenly, I have a southern belle accent, even though I live in Fall River, Massachusetts.
Nothing makes sense around here. It's just my fragile constitution. institution.
Okay, so... When you can't stop speaking like that.
Okay. We're slap happy. What time is it?
I don't even know. What time is it? It's like 2 a.m.
Yeah, it's a time in the middle of the night, guys.
So on Thursday morning, August 4th, shit went down in this house.
Down, diggy, down, down. All the way down.
So Sarah Borden's brother. Now Sarah Borden is Emma and Lizbeth's biological mother.
So their uncle, their uncle, John Morris, had shown up for like a business visit with Andrew randomly, I believe, August 3rd. guest room so on august 4th he had breakfast with them and then he peaced out to visit relatives in town Bye.
He left before Andrew even left for work, before he was early.
Early riser out of there. Lizbeth was being lazy as fuck that morning.
Girl! I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying she's crazy.
Damn. I mean, she's just living her life.
I mean, she was a lady of leisure at that point.
So, you know. I would be lazy as fuck as well.
Oh, my God. I can't wait to be a lady of leisure and just be lazy.
See, having kids, you can't be a lazy of leisure.
A lady of leisure. Perhaps I will not do that.
Maybe I'll be a fucking spinster. There you go.
I could chill. Dream big. Thank you. So she didn't make an appearance downstairs until like 9 a.m.
Which is good for her. That's not even that late.
That's super late for me. She told Bridget the maid that she was feeling kind of crappy because she was thinking that she was like, you know, contracting that whole shitty illness everybody had and she wasn't very hungry for breakfast but she just hung around downstairs I think she said she was ironing handkerchiefs in the dining room.
Okay. As we all do. So Bridget woke up sick like the rest of the family.
And... she had been fixing breakfast that morning and all that shit lisbeth saw that she wasn't feeling well and told her that she should lay down after fixing breakfast That was nice.
Very nice of Lizbeth. She probably called her Maggie when she did it, but you know, you win some, you lose some.
Nonetheless. Yes. So Bridget did go upstairs and lie down in her third floor bedroom in the attic, which is where our bedroom is, after breakfast was served.
So a bit after that, around 9 o'clock when Lizzie had woken up, Andrew left for work downtown.
When he left, Abby went upstairs to the guest room to change the bedding now that Uncle John Morris was gone.
Bridget woke up after a little nap and Abby asked her to wash all the windows downstairs inside and out.
Sounds like a shitty job. especially i'm like feeling for poor bridget because like she woke up feeling like shit like sick puking and she's like wash all the windows inside and out i'd be like can i just have a day off like can it just rain yeah so bridget went outside to begin washing the downstairs windows she was also sick and puked outside Oh, yeah.
Like she was that sick. So there are corroborating witnesses for her alibi here because she also chatted with the maid next door over the fence for a bit. this whole situation so she was also outside she was outside the whole time So now at this time, Abby and Lizbeth are inside the house.
Abby's in the guest room changing the linens.
And Lizzie says she's in the dining room ironing handkerchiefs, as one does.
But she also says she never heard a sound and Abby Borden was over 200 pounds.
So when she was murdered in the room right above the dining room, if she fell, which she did...
It would have shook the dining room. You would have heard something like a thud.
Our tour guides confirmed this because they said they dropped something over 200 pounds in that room and it literally shook the dining room. room oh damn and i think she said it shook every other room unless you were like in the basement literally so you would have heard it all over the house especially in the direct yeah They're directly underneath.
So Andrew came home from lunch at a quarter of 11. early lunch early lunch you think he was momo saying it up i think he probably came home more to like check up on his shit and then was going back who knows if he had lunch I think he had mimosas.
Maybe he did. Can you confirm it Drew? He crosses the dowsing.
I'm like, has someone who died here enjoyed a nice mimosa on the morning of their death?
So Bridget later testified that she had just began scrubbing the inside of the windows when she heard him. struggling to open the front door because we uh as we saw earlier today There were three locks on the door.
There still is those three locks, those three original locks.
Mm hmm. And usually they only had one locked so he could let himself in early.
But for some reason today... on this day that everybody was murdered in this house, all three were locked.
So Bridget also said that she heard Lisbeth laughing... at the top of the stairs yes as she walked up to the second floor which is where the guest room was which is where abby borden was found Now, according to Bridget, Lizzie was coming down the stairs from the second floor at this point, laughing, and Abby was already dead at this point.
So her body was already laying on the floor in the guest room that is at the top of the staircase.
Lizbeth admits that she came down those stairs.
Mm-hmm. We know we so during the trial, you know, one side argued that she wouldn't have been able to see her stepmother's body.
The other side was like. Oh no, she would have.
And she definitely would have. We can definitely confirm that she would have seen her body under that bed.
There's no, you would see it. So strike one for Lisbeth.
Do you know what I'm so confused about, though?
If she did do... Abby's murder. Wouldn't she be like fucking covered in blood head to toe?
And like when did Bridget ever see her again after that?
Well, that's the thing. So I think she, I mean, because think about it.
The way that the guest room is set up. you can go through another bedroom and get to Lizzie and Emma's room.
So she could have changed real quick. Yep.
And Bridget doesn't say that she saw her like clearly or anything like that.
So just saying. Well because she like got her dad comfy supposedly.
Yeah. In this next sequence of events. Exactly.
So when she came downstairs, Andrew asked Lisbeth where Abby was.
And Bridget told the court later during the trial...
That Lisbeth said Abby had got a note from a sick friend and was off visiting said sick friend.
Now, no sick friend existed and no note was ever found because Abby did not receive a note.
Why did Lizbeth say that? to cover her tracks I'm so sorry so sorry Lizbeth but you are now Andrew laid down on the sofa in the living room where we are sitting right now Pook spook.
And his intention was to take a nap. Bridget finished cleaning all the windows and she decided to go back into the attic to her room to rest again because she was still not feeling well.
At this point, Abby is dead upstairs and has been for a while.
Coagulation. Woof. So only minutes later, so Bridget had just put her head on the pillow, and she said she heard Lisbeth calling up the stairs, quote, come down quick.
Father's dead. Somebody came in and killed him.
Well, it's a little weird to already be saying that somebody came in.
Exactly. And if they did, why didn't they also kill you?
Exactly. And why didn't they steal anything?
Exactly. That's all she wrote. So she immediately sent Bridget to the doctor across the street and when he wasn't home, she sent her to a neighbor and close friend, Alice Russell, to get help.
Now, there was a French doctor and an Irish doctor within stone's throw distance from the house, one right next door.
I think the Irish doctor was right next door.
They weren't fucking around with them Irish.
But Lizzie wouldn't send her there because they were immigrants.
Which... Is rude. Exactly. And sign of the times here that they were very into nativism back then.
So they were sending them to the American doctor.
We're not going to the French one. We're not going to the Irish one.
Meanwhile, she's sending her Irish immigrant maid over to the American doctor and being like, don't go to the Irish immigrant doctor.
So if you have seen the black and white crime scene photos, then you know that Andrew's face was straight up demolished.
D. yes in fact right across from us right now currently is a photo of that crime scene photo and it is unsettling It looks like ground beef is on his face.
Sure does. saw autopsy photos from the scene today at the home they showed us in the dining room.
And his face was caved the fuck in. Like, you can barely tell that his face is a face in those photos.
They said half of his eyeball was hanging out of the socket when they got there.
And that one hit from the axe would have likely killed him.
He got 10 or 11, depending on what source you look at.
Hacks altogether. So he definitely got a lot of overkill.
Woof. When the cops got there, Bridget and Alice went up to the second floor to get a sheet to put over Andrew as the cops instructed, which forensics blew back then.
They would never do that now. I hope not you never put a sheet over a dead body because that removes a lot of evidence no matter how many times you see it on CSI or Hawaii Five-0 yeah it's a bunch of bullshit Now this is when Abby was discovered.
Abby was discovered face down on the floor to the left of the guest bed.
One hit, likely the first, was to the front of her head, and the rest had absolutely rained down on the back of her head and her neck.
It was a fucking mess. Anger, anger, anger.
Now interesting note, I always thought that she was on her knees in the crime scene photo, which I'm sure a lot of people did.
It looks like she is. Yeah. When she was discovered, her dress had written up.
And that wasn't appropriate for Victorian times.
So the cop that found her had pulled her top skirt over the back of her shoes to cover her up. this bunched up part actually makes it look like she's on her knees and the bunched up part is actually all the petticoats under her skirt that are still bunched up after being after the skirt on top was pulled down over her shoes.
So she is face down on the floor. She is not on her knees.
It's like a weird optical illusion that I didn't know existed.
So that's a fun fact. Fun fact about murder.
Yeah, we love a fun fact. Yeah. Who doesn't?
So most people said that Lizzie was calm as a fucking cucumber during this whole thing.
And it's not good. And that not a tear was seen.
Oh. In fact, a lot of the police said that it was really bothersome to them, like how chill and stone cold she was, which...
We know now you can't totally judge people on how they react to this shit.
I mean, I laugh at, I laugh at funerals because I have nervous, like... You're like the Joker.
So the New York Times did also appreciate the fact that Lizzie was not really showing a whole lot of signs of... mourning for her parents.
On August 6th in the New York Times, they said, quote, the police are acting slowly and carefully in the affair giving way. no doubt to feelings of sentiment because of the high social standing of the parties involved.
So they were basically like, the police are going to ignore some of these things because they fancy people that they're dealing with.
So no search of the Borden house was conducted until 32 hours after the murders.
That's no bueno. Yeah. It was a very quick search, but no thorough search was done until then.
And Lizbeth and Emma were not questioned very intensely for like three days. after the murders now lizbeth changed her story several times which is never good I don't recommend doing that.
Stick to your story, but not so well that it sounds rehearsed.
But also, like, don't kill anyone. Yeah, no, don't.
Yeah, don't do it so that you have to have a story.
So Lizbeth said she had resumed her ironing of the handkerchiefs after her dad came home.
But then she said she went outside of the barn and she said she was in there because she was looking to make a weight for a fishing line.
And she was looking for a piece of something to do that with, which she apparently did go fishing later or was, excuse me, was going to go fishing.
So that does kind of check out as something she would be doing.
She also said that she was in the barn looking for a piece of lead to fix a screen.
Too many things. Then she just said she was lingering picking pears from the trees outside.
Is that why there's fucking pears all over this house?
There is pears everywhere in this house.
Like the door handles in the kitchen are pears.
And there's fake pears in the dining room.
Truth. And I think there's also a painting of pears somewhere.
Probably. Pears. Pears. So none of this can be verified.
None of her whereabouts. None of her movements.
No one saw her doing any of these things.
Hmm. The family doctor that lived across the street claimed that he prescribed her a double dose of morphine after the crimes.
It was to help her calm down, sleep, you know, get through this whole thing.
And he said that he thought that would contribute to her changing stories.
Does make sense. I think it's just hearsay.
Yeah, I think it's him trying to cover up for the family.
Now, police also found it odd that she literally never cried.
Some of us just aren't criers. I'm not a crier at all.
I said some of us like I'm not a crier. I literally was just going to say I like how you said some of us.
I didn't lump myself in with that. I'm not a crier at all, so I would hate for people to judge me based on whether I cry or not.
I've seen Elena cry once in my entire life.
Yeah. And actually, one of the... Few times I've shed a tear out in the open was because of the James Bolger case, which is why we'll never cover it.
I cried like yesterday. Well, then another thing that made it made Liz Beth.
Did you just hear that? You looked at me.
I know. I was hoping that you didn't hear that too.
I was like, you know what? I think my brain is just coming off.
It might be the wind because it's a fucking cyclone outside.
It is. So if you guys are hearing any like weird ambiance outside, it could be just the monsoon that's occurring outside.
Or it could be us. fucking dying so also the lights flickered several times and they left us with a bunch of candles but because they were like, whoops, the electricity might go out.
We were all like, uh, what? I was like, if the electricity goes out, I'm leaving, Elena.
I don't know what you're doing, but I'm leaving.
Yeah, because... lighting all these candles in the middle of the night?
Nah, sis. Not feeling it. And she gave us like lanterns.
I'm like, I literally looked at her and I go, Oh, no, no.
I don't need those because if the power goes out, I'm gone like the wind.
Fabulous. Gone like the wind. So, ignoring that sound that we just heard, then a pharmacist in the neighborhood said that the day before the murders...
Lizzie had attempted to purchase prussic acid from him.
That's hydrogen cyanide. Oh, chill. What you need that for, Lizbeth?
Cookin'. Just cookin'. Three men at the pharmacy confirmed that they saw her doing this.
I'm just making a new recipe. And, you know, the pharmacist was like, no. why like she walked up and was like hey can i have hydrogen cyanide and he was like nah and that was it She was like, bummer.
Gotta move on to plan B. Do you think she got it somewhere?
Because how else was she poisoning them if she... oh my god whoa potentially was i don't think she was i don't think she was poisoning them if she was poisoning them i don't think she was doing it with hydrogen cyanide I wonder what she was doing it with, if she was.
I don't think she was. I think they were all just eating bad food.
And they were like, oh, I think we're being poisoned.
And then... She was like, maybe that's how she got the idea.
Oh, that's smart. She was like, oh, shit, I could. poison your ass yeah she was like this could be easy as fuck so then she was like hey can i have some hydrogen fucking cyanide you were about to say peroxide i was Got a lot of cuts to clean out around here.
Oh, fuck. They did. They really did. I'm leaving now.
Woof. But I think she was like let me go get some prussic acid and she was like I can just slip this in their food and they'll just keep thinking that they're getting bad food.
But then they didn't give it to her. So she was like, plan B, hatchet to the face.
Always does it. Always plan B. Does the trick.
Now, there wasn't any blood on the clothing she gave to police, but that didn't matter because her best friend Alice... who later did not stay her best friend.
I was going to say, not a good best friend.
Partially because of this moment right here.
Alice told investigators that she had pulled a dress out of the pantry.
Lisbeth did. on Sunday morning and she was like, oh my god, Alice, this dress is covered in paint.
What am I going to do? Oh, I know. And she started burning it in the road stove.
Jesus Christ. So Alice was like. You shouldn't do that because your parents got murdered like four minutes ago and they don't know who did it.
And they might be looking at you. And that's not going to look good.
And there was police like staking up, like, like watching the house literally like, like right outside the door.
Yeah. Like in the hallway. So she was like, maybe don't do that.
Like Elizabeth, I don't know what to tell you.
Now, she just kept burning it. Lizzie was like, yeah, it's too late, Alice.
I already started. Well, and after it was done, Alice was like, yo, you shouldn't have done that, girl.
Verbatim. Transcript. And Lizbeth was like, well, you should have stopped me. and alice was like i fucking tried and alice was like are you trying to get me got to like what what are you trying to do here you're trying to put me in this whole thing Cause I'm not trying to be here.
I'm not trying to be here. So the undertaker for her parents were, was Mr. James Winward, uh, He and his assistant had prepared the bodies for embalming in the home. where we are right now.
Awesome. They were prepared in the dining room where we will eat breakfast tomorrow morning.
Oh, I didn't even think of that. There's these really cool old antique autopsy tables called cooling boards in here.
They're hung on the wall in the dining room.
I showed them in the live feed and I'll post a photo on the Instagram when we post the photos for this case.
They're really cool guys. And they used to use these to autopsy in the home.
I feel like if I look at your Amazon searches later, you're going to be looking for one likely like on an Etsy shop.
I literally told John I want to find an antique cooling board and hang it on our wall.
And you're worried about playdates with your children.
I really am, guys. I'm really worried. That will definitely add to the spook factor of this place.
Because my kids are starting to do play dates now.
And I was like, oh, no. Parents are going to come over my house and be like.
Why don't we do playdates at our house? Elena literally has a Dexter poster hanging in her children's playroom.
Sure do. You are who you are. I am who I am.
And that's all that I am. Popeye. Direct quote.
So one of the things that they would definitely do back then is remove the stomachs. straight away for toxicology and they sent them off to harvard medical school for examination hey yo shout out to harvard Now the following Saturday was the day of the funerals for Abby and Andrew Borden.
And it was five days after the murders. Lizbeth was...
Not wearing the typical morning dress. Oh, would she wear it?
They didn't talk about that. Yeah. And I don't know. so basically a morning dress I'll post a photo on the Instagram too of what a typical Victorian morning dress would be.
It's like a high collar. It's very intricate, very intense.
But Lizbeth was wearing a form-fitting black lace dress.
Get it, bitch. With a hat to match. But it was very saucy. yeah be saucy remember when I didn't know how to dress for events When you didn't have someone to tell you how to dress or certain events.
When I was in the middle of a neglect. In the middle of being neglected.
And I was like, you can wear fishnets to a funeral.
There was a family funeral that... When Ash was living with her mother...
We use the term mother loosely. Yes, quote unquote.
She... Showed up wearing what I would imagine Hugh Hefner's ladies would wear.
To his funeral. And at one point, I believe it was my dad commented that.
You got to do it in his voice. She looks like the Playboy bunny coming to the old man's funeral waiting for her inheritance.
But yeah, it was like full blown, like skid tight black dress with fishnets. and at that point I had bleach blonde hair bleach blonde hair down to her waist and bright fucking red lipstick.
I was like, I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna step out to this funeral.
Who the fuck did I think I was? Still my favorite thing ever.
Pa was probably rolling over in his grave.
He was like, who the fuck sent this little girl to my funeral?
Get out of here. So yeah, Lizzie was rolling with your vibes.
I get it. I get it. But she's not trying to end up on Worst Dress List of Us Weekly Fall River.
She's Us Weekly Fall River. Oh, boy. Well, in this time, when the death of a parent occurred, you would typically wear a veil over your face.
She was like, I'm not sad about anything.
And she did not wear a veil. She was like, I'm smiling through this shit.
Well, of course, people around and the newspaper journalists of the time, because they were very... well-to-do and well-known family they all took note of this It was pretty... So in all the newspapers afterwards, they were like, hey...
What's Lizzie wearing? That's what all of them were talking about.
She was seen in color a lot of times after the deaths, which you're supposed to be in mourning for apparently. period of time oh no I'm in mourning all the time and actually uh At her own trial, she wore bright cherry-colored ribbons on her black hats.
Fuck yeah. uh this is like during the year after her parents death and you're supposed to be fully in mourning and she was wearing like bright red ribbons to the tribe She was like, I'm celebrating this shit.
She was like, I'm innocent. As fuck. Now, what's even weirder is Even though both of them, both Abby and Andrew, received insane wounds for their murders.
I mean, again... Andrew didn't have a face.
They had an open coffin funeral. Did they really?
Yeah, and what they did was they just faced their faces to the other way.
Jesus. Like Abby, they just faced her to the part that wasn't as demolished.
So that's crazy. I don't know how they were able to pull that off, but good on them.
Now, right after the funeral, they were brought to a they were not immediately like put into the ground like they should have been maybe.
Maybe that's why the energy here is so bad because it's like they weren't laid to rest right away.
Exactly. And they were brought to a holding tomb near the front entry. of the cemetery and they did another autopsy on the bodies in the ladies comfort station at the funeral at the graveyard This was actually done, I believe the autopsy, the second autopsy was done like a week later.
So they were like really not laid to rest.
They were like left out. Yeah, that's not good.
And in that lady's comfort station during that autopsy, their heads were removed. yikes because they wanted to keep them for trial evidence so their heads were removed and they were boiled down So that you could see just the skull, so you could see all the wounds into the skull, so they could put the hatchet into it to... to show that that was the murder weapon.
I want to know what unlucky bastard had the job of boiling heads.
It's a pretty rough job. I feel like you'd want it.
I don't know if I'd want that one. You are fucked up.
Boiling head sounds past my pay grade. Ooh, you fancy, huh?
I am fancy. Now, unfortunately, both Emma and Lisbeth did not know that this was happening, which is kind of shitty. um so i just heard something oh your face just fucking terrified me i didn't hear anything I didn't hear anything.
Oh, fuck, man. I think I'm just going crazy.
So around this time, Lizbeth's luck. ran out.
No! So in a New York Times article on August 11th, It said Lizzie Borden is under arrest charged with murdering her father and stepmother last Thursday morning in their home on second street.
She was brought into the 2nd District courtroom about 3 o'clock this afternoon, presumably to give further evidence at the inquest.
Miss Borden was accompanied by her sister and Mrs. Brigham.
As was the case yesterday, all the proceedings were carried on behind locked doors.
So this is where we are going to end. Oh, shit.
Part one of Lisbeth Borden. And hopefully you get part two.
Because we wanted to end at the arrest because the trial and the aftermath, there's just a lot to cover that I don't think enough people talk about.
Part two will be coming in the next couple of days.
We will be recording that in my home so it won't be as spooky.
In a green laundry room. It'll be slightly spooky because my home was only built... like 10 years after this one was and we record in the maids quarters technically exactly so it's gonna be pretty spooky but not nearly as spooky as here No, I really miss the comfort of the laundry room right now.
Right? I feel like my house is like... Zen as fuck.
Yeah, compared to this shit. So we're going to stop here because I want to get the fuck out of this whole thing and just sit here and pray that we live until morning.
Me too. So stay tuned for part two of Lizbeth Borden.
And we will be posting our live stream when we can so that those of you who missed it can see it.
So we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. where you come to the Lizzie Borden house and you take the tour and you're really freaked out and then the tour guide is really great, but you're still pretty scared and then you sit in the living room recording an episode about Lizzie Borden trying to be as respectful as you can.
I meant to say Lizbeth. And hopefully we make it out alive.
So don't keep it that weird. Bye. Thank you.
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