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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is a mini-morbid.
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I would love that. I think a lot of people would love that.
I don't know if you could handle it. I could handle it. takes a special person it really does well welcome everybody to another mini morbid hello And like all our other mini morbids, we don't really do a whole lot of business before we get into it because, you know, the mini part of the whole thing.
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Now back to the show. Which we haven't even got to yet.
So we're going to dive right into this ash centric mini morbid.
And I'm excited because I don't know what this case is.
And I'm psyched. I hope that, well, I don't know if you're going to know this case, but I hope I blow your socks off.
You know what? If I was wearing socks, they would blow off.
I fucking hate socks. I do too. All right.
So I'm just going to get right into the nitty gritty of it.
Get right into it. I'm ready. So... On Sunday, April 17th, 2011.
So we're taking a little tiny break. like bus back but it's not going to take us too long to get back there okay 2011 no like 45 minutes probably yeah yeah it's pretty quick 15-year-old Seth Jackson receives a text from his ex-girlfriend, Amber Wright.
Okay. Any names ringing a bell? I don't think so.
So now I'm even more excited. So, first of all...
Decoding these text messages made me feel ancient.
Was it like the Tyler Hadley ones? Yep. That's exactly what it's like.
So Amber texts Seth at 8.12 p.m. and says, hey, can you talk?
And you is spelled Y-U-U. Oh, boy. And I remember when I was in high school because I was in high school right around this time.
That's how people wrote you. why because that doesn't shorten the word at all it's the same amount of letters it just makes you sound dumber in fact why don't you just type the letter u Yeah, that's better than that.
Yeah. It's very inefficient. You talk. You.
You. And. Seth says to Amber, you said you needed to talk.
And then she says, well, I kind of need to talk to you about us working things out.
Yo, can we talk? Let's talk. Yeah. We need to talk.
Like, let's let's talk about our really important.
Let's talk about talking. Oh, man. Talk about it.
So Seth received these texts while he was hanging out with some friends, including his best friend Samalot.
His last name is Samalot. Oh, okay. Because I was like, that's a great name.
So in one place, I found that his name was Michael.
And then in the other place, I found out his name was Will.
And I was like... I don't know what your name is, but it is confirmed that your last name is Samalot.
All right, I'll take it. So his best friend, Samalot.
He's hanging out with him. They're playing video games, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
And Samalot is like, dude, don't go meet up with Amber.
She's fucked up. Like you guys ended badly.
Like she's not good news. I really don't want you to go talk to her.
You know, it's probably not going to go well.
I mean, I'm kind of with I don't know what's going on at all, but I'm kind of with Sam a lot.
No one knows what's going on. OK, cool. I was reading this and I was like, what's going on right now?
But I'm with Sam a lot. Me too. I'm like, don't go there.
Stay and play video games. Always listen to your best friend.
Especially when his last name rhymes with Camelot.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like a... It's great. Just always do it.
So Seth's like, yeah, dude, you're right.
Like... you know what, I'm going to head out.
Like, I'll see you at school tomorrow. Like, and Samuel was like, okay, cool.
Like, I'll see you tomorrow, man. Like, let's hang out after school, whatever.
I feel like they're not going to. Unfortunately, Seth never made it to school the next day and never made it home.
Oh, no. So let's rewind a little bit and talk about Seth and Amber's relationship.
And more importantly, their breakup. Juicy.
At first, they were like a little bit younger than 15.
They were probably 14. And they were totally into each other.
And they probably sat with each other at lunch.
Puppy love. I literally wrote puppy love shit.
Look at that. It was that puppy love shit.
We are on that same level. Yes. But also, Amber did spend a lot of time at Seth's house, and I listened to the Killer Queen's podcast about this and she kind of just mentioned that a lot of the parents in this area Which, by the way, is Somerville, Florida.
I don't think I said where it took place.
Florida. So this was in Florida. A lot of the parents worked a lot.
Like, I'm pretty sure Seth's mom worked like two or three jobs.
Oh, wow. And... So the teens like had supervision, but they also kind of it seemed like they kind of did what they wanted to do.
Yeah. And like like latchkey kid kind of.
Yeah, and, like, they would always, like, go to their friend's house and, like... And Seth's mom said he was a really good kid, like...
He would always tell her where he was and everything.
Yeah, like she wasn't worried about what he was doing.
Seth and Amber were always together and Amber would like stay at Seth's house and they loved each other and it was great.
It was all great. So then they start to kind of, things start to like go downhill and they start to argue a little bit.
And Amber admits that she literally did stuff on purpose just to piss Seth off.
And vice versa. She said they were so similar, they just wanted to get a rise out of each other.
That's what their relationship became. Such a dramatic relationship at 14.
And, like, that's what every relationship is like.
Yeah, exactly. You're either sitting together at lunch and not seeing each other at all other than that, or you're, like...
Well, Christina said that you hugged Michael at lunch, and I don't want to be your girlfriend anymore.
It's so true. You're like trying to be so dramatic.
So they end up breaking up. There were a lot of rumors of cheating on both sides.
Jesus. After the breakup. As well as claims of abuse and rape.
Oh. So... If rape did in fact happen, it did go unreported.
Okay. So it's unknown really if this is like a rumor or if this actually happened.
Yeah. OK, but that makes sense. But that's a pretty tough rumor.
Yeah, it is known and like rumored that Amber said Seth raped her.
Oh, geez. And would like abuse her and stuff.
But man, so this is not just like a regular 14 year old.
No. Oh, well, you were talking to Michael.
So we're breaking up. No, this is intense.
Yeah. And like they were like having sex and like doing drugs.
That's adult as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. They were adulting, but, like, not in, like, the good way where you pay your bills.
Yeah. So... And also like they were she's Amber said later in an interview that they were smoking weed and dabbling in cocaine.
Whoa. During this time, which I'm like, that's a big old jump.
You're dabbling in cocaine at 14. Like shit.
Yeah. Like smoking weed. I'm like, okay, whatever.
Like you're 14. And it's like, that's to me, that's pretty young, but like, I get that.
Whatever. Yeah. High school is like a pretty typical age to dabble in that.
That's kind of like... Cocaine is like a college drug, I thought.
It's like an Olympic leap to cocaine. Like, it's just like, and a little cocaine here and there.
And just dabbling in cocaine. No big deal.
Like, it's fine. Yeah, just dabbling. So after the breakup, because this is 2011, Facebook fights start to happen.
And who doesn't love a good Facebook fight?
Facebook fights. So let me tell you about one.
Amber posts on April 4th. Lots to think about.
Good night. Oh, God. So she's one of those.
Yeah. Oh, she's one of those. The cryptic Facebook statuser.
Yes. I hate those people. They suck. I want the attention, but then you're going to ask me what's wrong.
And I don't need to talk about it or it's none of your business.
And it's like literally fuck right off the whole internet business.
So Mike Bargo, Amber's new boyfriend, comments and says...
I hope you aren't sad over me. And then this kid Dalton comments, LOL, Seth was going to beat your ass.
This is amazing. And then Seth and Dalton go back and forth in the comments saying how Seth could beat up Mike and they were supposed to fight on multiple occasions and that Mike pussied out.
So then Amber writes back flipping out and saying, get over the fact I broke up with you and all you do is talk shit.
And I actually, and then you actually don't do anything.
And then Seth comments back that he's going to burn Amber's house down with her whole family in it and Mike too.
Whoa, again, Olympic leaps happening here.
And also says, how's it feel to be cheated on?
He's like, firstly, I'm going to burn your whole house down with everybody, including Mike in it.
Wow. And also I cheated on you. Whoa, Seth.
So woof. Woof woof at that. Turn it down.
Many notches. Many notches. This whole thing just needed to be turned down.
Wow. And to do that right in public, be like...
You know what? I'm going to commit mass murder and arson.
And everything's fine. And that's just that.
So deal with that. And also I cheated on you.
Oh, also I cheated on you. So I don't believe that charges were ever pressed for the threat of burning down Amber's house, but I did read in court transcripts that the Jackson family and the Wright family... did have a sit down at Tracy Wright's home, who was Amber's mom.
That's probably a good idea. Yeah. Once that threat comes out of the blue, I think it's time to be like, let's all sit down and talk.
Yeah, exactly. Let's see what's going on here.
But that didn't really do much because the kids kept antagonizing each other and arguing via Facebook.
Of course. Seth posted to Facebook on April 7th.
Hello everybody, my name is Amber Wright and I smoke meth every day.
I love this stuff, it makes me jizz in my pants, aka I'm a slut.
And I should not be laughing. But I love Facebook in 2011.
I'm sorry, but that is amazing. Makes me jizz in my pants.
And then I love that he ends it like, AKA, I'm a huge slut.
Like, it's just like, whoa. There's a lot to unpack in that statement Seth.
A lot. I have tears. There is so much. Whoa.
So then he comments on his post and says, I'm done with you, Amber.
You know that. I do know that after that status.
Well, Amber says, how are you done with it when you continuously write shit about me, talk about me?
Hate on me? Fucking say shit to me? Huh?
Tell me, because I really want to fucking know. exactly you're not done with it if you keep bringing my name into shit so learn the definition on done whoa man, I think somebody needs to be like, guys, just like Go have a milkshake or something.
Like, calm down. Delete your Facebook and go play outside.
Like, you don't need... Go play outside, 14-year-olds.
You are 14 or 15. It's... It's not that serious.
It's not that serious. I really don't think you are going to get married.
No. No. Nope. Didn't see that in their future.
So it's unclear when and where it all went down, but at a party right around this time, Mike Bargo and Seth Jackson did end up having an altercation where Seth quote unquote, like knocked out Mike.
Whoa. And this was probably really embarrassing for Mike because he was 18 and Seth was 15.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's rough. And it was at a party in front of like multiple people.
Oh, boy. And this 15 year old just like knocks the shit out of you.
Wow. So that's not good. That's tough. It's a tough one to come back from.
Yes, it's not good. So after that, there were multiple retaliation attempts, and Mike apparently said to Seth one week before the night of April 17th, quote, I have a bullet with your name on it.
Holy shit. And that was not escalated so fast so far.
This case is crazy. These kids are like not kids.
They're extra. Yeah, they're a lot. They are so much.
Yeah. Wow. And that's not the only death threat.
This is making me nervous. It's not the only death threat that was made.
Kyle Hooper, who was Amber's half-brother.
He said that he saw Seth in bed with a girl named Alyssa Masters, who Kyle was apparently either like involved with or had a crush on her.
Jesus. When Kyle saw the pair in bed together through Alyssa's bedroom window.
I was going to say, what did he just like walk in?
And he was like, Well, look at that. And then just left and he's like, caught you in bed.
Like what? Also, you're 14. Stop catching people in bed.
Yeah, like you're not in bed. What's happening?
No, you should be sleeping with your teddy bears.
Go do a puzzle. Do something. Yeah, do something.
Write a book. I don't know. I meant to say read a book.
But write one too. Yeah, do it. You're 15.
Follow your dreams. So I don't know if he was just like peeking through her windows or whatever the fuck he was doing.
I love it. It's like, I don't think that I don't think them in bed together is the problem here.
You fucking peeping Tom. I love it. I literally wrote, which, what the fuck are you doing outside someone's bedroom window, sir?
Thank you. So Kyle, after he sees this, however he fucking saw it, Texts Alyssa and says he's gonna kill Seth.
God. Now, I don't know if that was, like, oh, I'm gonna kill him.
Like, fuck that guy. But it's also, like, stupid.
Stop writing these things down for everybody to find.
They last forever, kids. Damn. And anyways...
Mike did have a .22 caliber Heritage handgun.
Oh, boy. So he very well could have had a bullet with Seth's name on it.
Oh, my God. This is, like, really scary. scary it's fucking terrifying it's just like because these are children if these were adults i'd be like this is weird like fucked up but like this is kids i'm like what it's fucked So, Mike and Kyle called Seth and his friend, remember Sam a lot, over on one occasion.
Ah, yes. And... Mike and Kyle at this time were staying with this girl named Charlie Eli.
She's 18 and her husband is in jail. Okay.
So she is like renting out rooms in her double wide trailer.
And basically it's just like a cesspool for scummy kids to hang out in.
Yeah, that's kind of what it sounds like.
She was like, quote unquote, renting out rooms, but it was more just like...
The like yucky hangout. She's like the den mother.
Yes, correct. For these like lost souls.
Where they could like go smoke weed, dabble in cocaine, and like shoot their guns at trees.
Back to this awful case. Yay. But so Mike was living there and Kyle was like a frequenter at this house.
Okay. It was like the hangout. So anyways, Mike and Kyle call Seth and Sam a lot to come to Charlie's house.
And... They head over there to fight or whatever with Kyle and Mike.
And when they're getting close to the house, they hear gunshots coming.
Whoa. That's smart. And later on, Kyle admitted... that Mike had shot in Seth and Samalot's direction to scare them off.
Oh, my God. But also, like, you could have hit them, dude.
Like, that's not just to scare someone off.
Jesus. This is, like... So obviously there was like a lot of fucking bad blood, bad shit going on between these like, friend groups I don't know what you even want to call it but it's a lot this is like the Taylor Swift video Yeah, the pot has been stirred up for a very long time.
Yeah. So let's go back to April 17th when Amber texts Seth and says like, hey, I want to talk about working things out.
All that shit has been building and building and building.
Okay. And April 17th is like 10 days before he was like, LOL, meth makes me jizz in my pants talking about her.
So this is really like just... built real quick yeah and like she's like saying all this shit to like her brother and Mike about like supposedly Seth was treating her badly yeah so she says like let's talk about working things out and Seth answers and says what do you mean And she says, can you please call me, like, now?
So they have a phone call, and then Amber says...
Hey, my friend Charlie is coming wit. I've been telling her everything between me and you, and she's coming because I need her to help through this.
Is that okay? But don't tell anybody what's going on because I want to make sure we can work things out before anyone knows. oh Seth this is a setup Seth so Seth replies Amber if you have me jumped I will never give you the time of day so if I get jumped Say goodbye, all right?
And she says, I swear you're not, Seth. I could never do that to you.
I just want you and me back. Oh no. Nope.
This is stinky. So Seth says alright and makes his way to the meeting point where Charlie and Amber are waiting.
So they're meeting on like some street or something like that, like some street corner.
I have bad feelings. Yeah. Yeah. So when he gets there, Amber convinces him to come back to Charlie's house so they can sit down and talk everything out.
Little does Seth know there's been a plan in place this entire night.
Oh, no, I knew it. Mike Bargo was ready to kill Seth Jackson and had planned... everything very carefully.
Oh, guys. He told Amber to text Seth because he knew full well if she texted him he wanted to get back together he would come or she wanted to get back together he would come He knew that.
Mike knew that and was like, Amber, text him and get him over here.
So they're just playing on his emotions.
That's sad. Really sad. When they were coming back, Amber was to text her brother Kyle and Mike to let them know that they were close, like they were about to be there.
And then when they entered, this other scumbag friend named Justin Soto was supposed to hit Seth in the head with a piece of wood. and then Kyle and Mike were going to jump on Seth, and then Mike was going to shoot Seth.
Jesus. But it didn't work out like that.
Oh, no. It was almost worse. God. So for whatever reason, Amber didn't send the warning text saying that they were close.
So when they got there, Soto didn't really do anything.
Justin Soto like didn't do anything at all.
He was the one that was supposed to hit him in the head with the wood.
And Kyle and Mike were in Mike's room. going back and forth on whether or not they actually should do this like they were like oh shit should we actually kill him you shouldn't and the answer is no the answer is If you're ever debating murdering someone, the answer is always no.
No. Yeah. Just always default back to no.
No. Yeah. So Seth is sitting on a couch in the living room and all of a sudden Kyle comes running out and slams Seth over the head with a piece of wood.
Mike follows right behind Kyle and starts shooting at Seth.
Oh, my God. Yeah. So Seth runs toward the front door and actually fucking gets outside and like almost makes it to the fence.
Oh my god. And then gets tackled by Justin Soto. and shot again by Mike.
They then drag him back inside and they place him in the bathtub.
And that's when Mike says, which he's a fucking cold, calculated, brutal murderer.
I want him to be alive because I want him to know who's killing him.
Holy shit. That, no. Like, the most fucked up shit.
Wow. And it only gets worse. Wow. And this is over a girl.
Yeah. It's like, guys, no. No. Nope. Nope.
Not worth it, man. Not at all. Jesus. That kid was going to kill someone regardless.
Oh, 100%. For sure. He's super fucked up.
Because that's cold blooded. So he says, I want him to know he's killing him.
So they put it, like I said, they put him in the bathtub.
And now there's blood all over the living room because they dragged him back in.
So at that point, Kyle, Justin, Kyle and Justin leave the bathroom and go help Amber and Charlie who are already cleaning up the blood.
And so it's just Mike and Seth in the bathroom.
And Mike is like screaming at Seth, beating him and is continuing to shoot him.
Oh, my God. So Kyle goes back into the bathroom and he's like, dude, you have to stop shooting and being so loud because...
Stop shooting your gun in the bathroom. The neighbors are going to hear.
Oh yeah. So that's like the reason to stop him.
That's a concern. Yeah, totally. Maybe just like, oh, you're fucking killing someone.
Maybe stop doing that. Yeah, like, I don't know.
And... So that's what they're worried about, the fucking neighbor's yard.
Yeah, absolutely. So they then... At this point, I don't know if Seth was dead or alive when this happened.
I couldn't determine in any research whether he was dead or alive when this happened. but they break his kneecaps.
Oh, yeah holy shit because they and this is the other thing this murder was so fucking planned Because they already knew that they were going to put him in a sleeping bag to dispose of his body.
And they had it ready. But for him to fit in the sleeping bag, that's why they broke his kneecaps.
I was going to ask whether it was that or like they were trying to make it look like a mob hit or something.
Oh, no. I didn't even think of that. No, they just want to fit him in a sleeping bag so they can dispose of his body.
I will... I mean, I don't ever, ever, ever want to kill somebody, but I wouldn't even know to do that.
Yeah, I mean, why? What? That would not be my first, like...
Oh, we need to do this. We have to break his kneecaps.
Also, you're 18 years old. Like, what the fuck?
Yeah. No. No. So. Oh, my God. This must have been the most gruesome scene.
Oh, my God. I can't imagine. Like, I can't imagine.
And so there's a fire going in the backyard.
So they carry his body to the fire and put his body in the fire.
My God. God. But not before Mike removes his teeth one by one.
Yo. Nope. Nope. Don't do teeth. Don't do it.
Do you know how fucked you have to be? To pull somebody's teeth out one by one.
Yes. The effort... And just the gruesome, nasty... Dude, total side note, but anybody that is a fan of our podcast would fucking love the show Sharp Objects.
And in the show like the killer removes the person's teeth that gets killed and the detective like tries to do it to a pig's head and like the strength that it takes and just The sounds it makes.
I hate teeth things. Teeth and nail things.
Yes. Same page. And eye things for that matter.
I can handle eye things. I just hate all the things.
Teeth and nail things, I'm not... That freaks me out.
And that's just such an extra level of... planning, premeditation, and just craziness.
So they dismember Seth's body and put it in the fire.
And they knew that it was going to have to burn all night long for it to turn into ashes.
So they built the fire and it was so big that Charlie Eli's neighbors came out and they were like, why the fuck is that fire so big?
Why do you have a massive bonfire in your backyard?
Right. Jennifer Cunningham, the neighbor...
Later testified that she followed her husband outside To investigate an orange glow Coming through their windows She saw two males Who were Mike and Kyle and one female, Charlie, talking to her husband.
She also saw another female, Amber, and a male by the fire.
She said that Charlie was really chatty and even invited them to the fire. hang out like come enjoy our bonfire explaining that you know her husband was in jail and she was trying to get her mind off it and she's just having a fire with some friends so like why don't you guys come join Come join while we burn this dismembered body.
Don't mind the dead body in the fire. I was gonna say, don't mind the charred flesh smell.
Like, what the fuck was she going to do if they said yes?
Like, oh yeah, let's head over to your fire and... roast marshmallows?
Like, what the fuck? Holy shit. These people are, like, next level.
I can't even. Cunningham also testified that the fire was... like huge between eight to ten feet high whoa like so crazy that it was almost touching the tree limbs what the hell accelerant were they using i have no idea that's crazy She and her husband went back inside after they assured them that the fire would be taken care of.
But after that, it accelerated even more and... her husband ended up going back a second time to address the fire.
To be like, hey, you guys are going to burn everybody down.
They were like, if it doesn't go down, we'll hose it down.
So Kyle Hooper ended up tending to the fire until 2.30 in the morning.
Wow. Yeah. This is commitment. The next morning, which was a Monday...
Mike Bargo, Justin Soto, and Kyle and Amber's former stepfather, James Havens. disposed of Seth's charred remains by putting them into paint cans and throwing them into a rock quarry. where Bargo had previously been swimming at with a former girlfriend.
I'm... I'm just without words. I really am.
So I don't know what they fucking told this former stepdad that He was like, yeah, I'll give you a ride to the quarry and I won't.
Yeah, we can throw these paint cans in there.
That's fine. Yeah, it's. Like, that seems normal.
That seems like a typical Monday afternoon.
Yeah, let's not ask any questions. You guys want to get McDonald's on the way home after that?
Like, guys? If your former stepchildren ask you to drive them to a rock quarry to throw paint cans in there and they smell like burning flesh.
The answer is no. The answer is a hard no.
Even if they don't smell like burning flesh, the answer is no.
But they're going to smell like. Think about it.
Think about when you sit around a fire for a night, you end up smelling like fucking fire and that's the gross smell.
Think about with a burning body in it. Yeah.
That shit's going to stick to you. Yeah.
Later that same day, Tracy, who's Amber and Kyle's mother.
Mm hmm. called Havens and told him that the police were at her house looking for Seth.
Like they were like, hey, this kid disappeared.
And like, we think that your daughter might know where he is because Facebook fights and stuff.
We're just grasping at straws here. Yeah.
And they wanted to know where Kyle, Mike, and Amber were.
So when Havens found out that police were involved...
He dropped Kyle off near his mom's house and drove Mike Bargo to an ex-girlfriend's dad's house.
After... Mike took money from Kyle to go on the run with.
Yeah. Everybody is so fucked in this. It's insane.
This is insane. So the next day, Tuesday, Kyle finally breaks down and tells his mom that he knows what happened to Seth.
And he says, I witnessed his murder. I just witnessed it.
I saw him die. Oh, okay. Also, I... helped tackle him, dragged him back into a fucking house, threw him in a bathtub, didn't stop him from being shot eight times, didn't stop them from removing his teeth or breaking his kneecaps, and...
Oh, I tended to the fire until 2.30 in the morning.
That's why I looked a little tired on Monday.
But, like, I just saw it. Yeah. I had no actual part in it.
Yeah. Good on you, Kyle. She called police, and Kyle, along with Amber and Charlie, were brought in for questioning.
It didn't take long at all for Kyle to crack and admit exactly what happened that night.
And if you have a chance to watch the fucking... like interview footage with the investigator Rhonda Stroop.
She is the baddest bitch that ever lived.
Gotta watch it. There's a show with Piers Morgan called...
Killer Women, I think? Oh yeah. And Amber's on it.
Oh shit. But in the... In the documentary episode, whatever, they show the footage of Rhonda Stroop being the baddest bitch that ever lived.
That name sounds so familiar. She's a lead investigator, so she might have worked on other cases.
I feel like she might have been in another case, yeah, because she sounds familiar. um but she's just fucking amazing i love those interview footage like cameras when they show them i love it like at one point she's like yelling at amory and She's like, listen, little girl, I'm tired of being lied to.
So I'm going to give you one more chance and then I'm walking out and you can fucking rot in here.
So bye. I will leave you in here forever.
Literally. We will brick up the walls. You will never come out.
Yeah. So she walks in and she's like, yeah, you're all officially under arrest for murder one and you're being held without bail.
And she's like, bye. And she just walks out of the room and they're all just sitting there.
I love it. Actually, I think Charlie Eli, I think, went with her because she was going to, like, a different jail.
Yeah. Because she was 18. Oh, yeah. And Kyle and Amber were left, and they're talking...
And Amber. She's just like, peace guys. Amber goes, oh my God, I'm going to be fucking 20 by the time I get out.
Oh, Oh, honey. Yes, sis. You're doing five years for Murder One.
Honey, baby, sweetie pie. I'm going to be fucking 20.
20. Like, I'm 15 now and I'm going to serve five years for Murder One.
Oh, the dumb is so strong with that one.
Your simple sis. So strong with that one.
Your simple sis. That's insane. So... Everyone tries to put the whole thing on Mike, which, I mean, it seems as though he did a gigantic part in this.
But you all fucking... But also Amber, Seth would have never fucking got there if you didn't text him.
Nobody wants to take responsibility for the fact that they all played a key piece in this.
Like, It was Charlie's house. Amber texted him.
Justin Soto tackled him on the front lawn.
Like every piece of this puzzle had to happen for the end result to happen.
Five fucking people had to work together.
How do you even get five people that want to murder someone together?
They all have to be the most simplistic people on planet earth.
Yeah, you really, honestly. And all of them were.
There needs to just be like tumbleweeds just flowing through their heads.
Like collectively, I feel as though maybe they have enough brain cells as one compatible human.
It has to be that. I didn't mean to say compatible.
Functioning human. There you go. Which I'm clearly not.
So, during the investigation, police found...
Possible human remains. It's like, I was reading court documents, so it's like possible.
It's like, it's fucking human remains. It's fucking confirmed.
In the fire pit, in the fire pit at Charlie Eli's home.
They found the door to the bathtub disconnected, a loaded .22 caliber revolver, Two containers of live ammunition in a floor bed.
In the front bedroom, they found a can with 28.2... Fuck. with 28 .22 caliber casings, something a bag on the bed with 72 .22 caliber casings. and three .22 caliber live rounds, and some loose .22 casings and live rounds.
Oh! and a .22 caliber ammunition box, and a .22 casing in the bathroom.
So did they think that he was an army? Honestly, none of that.
Did they know he was one teenage boy? I don't even understand. because I'm like... What the fuck?
Also, so Seth was shot eight times. I was gonna say, because that's like we're planning for the purge kind of shit.
Right, I'm like... Number one, where the fuck did you get a gun, bro?
I mean, he's 18. Well, so I get it in the court transcripts that I read.
It said that like someone gave it to him for like payment.
So I'm like, was he also like. I mean, I'm just speculating here.
Was it, like, a drug thing? Yeah, maybe.
I don't know. But also, like... Like who else?
Like what else was being shot in that house?
That's the thing. I'm like, what? Because Seth was shot eight times, which is insane.
Like that's so many times. But all these casings are like...
Were you just like shooting the walls and shit?
It sounds like it. Like, wow. Yeah. So when they went to the quarry, they found shoe impressions and rings from the buckets where Seth's remains were stuffed into the paint cans.
They found all the. impressions in the dirt like around the quarry they found a plastic bag attached to a bucket floating in the water a five gallon bucket lid on some rocks And then there were two more five-gallon buckets underwater where they had to use a dive team.
Mm-hmm. They were attached to cinder blocks, but the dive team found them.
So they, like, tied them up in cinder blocks and threw them in there.
Jesus. like thinking that no one was ever going to find them wow DNA testing, I just thought this was really interesting, DNA testing showed that it was 63,000 times more likely that these remains were from the biological child of Seth's parents than a random chosen male.
Oh, wow. So it was Seth. Yeah. But I just thought that was like really interesting.
It is crazy how they can just do that to like that pinpoint.
Yeah. And DNA from Charlie, Kyle and Mike was found in the mixtures of blood through the house, including on the kitchen, living room and bedroom.
So there was blood all over the place. Oh it must have been a blood bath in there.
Yeah. So while investigators are doing all this search and evidence and all that good stuff.
All this science stuff. Mike Bargo's loose lips made their job so fucking easy.
Oh, how did I... I knew it. I knew that dude was going to start bragging.
Anyone who would listen... Fargo would tell about the murder.
Of course. You know that dude wasn't gonna do all that and not be like... And not be like, I'm the coolest ever.
Look at how huge my... scrotum is because I did this like you know he's that dude and also dude like this is also the kid that knocked you out Yeah.
This is also the 15 year old who knocked you out.
You suck. Yeah. You're the worst. He told his ex-girlfriend while he was on the run.
He told a man who was at the police station at the same time as him.
Just a random dude. He told his... Like this guy that they were in a holding cell together at one point.
He told that guy. Of course. He told his ex-girlfriend's dad.
His ex-girlfriend's dad's girlfriend. And he went into explicit detail with some people, explaining how he took Seth's teeth out one by one. with pliers and also that he broke Seth's kneecap before stuffing him in the sleeping bag.
And also told people about burning the body and putting the remains in the quarry.
So he just painted the fucking picture for everybody.
Did he also grab the mailman before he put the mail in the box and was like, let me tell you something?
I mean, I think. Jesus. I think he did. Like, settle down.
The only people that didn't get a confession from Mike Bargo were the investigators and the jury.
I'm shocked. and oh my god you can go on youtube and watch this kid's fucking trial and like when he testifies And you want to punch him directly in the face.
Right in the fucking teeth. I don't know what he looks like, but I know he has a punchable face.
First of all, i hate him same second of all he also tries to um deny that him and amber were involved Fun fact, they have each other's initials tattooed, like, near their groin areas.
My... God, the lack of firing neurons floating around this place right now.
I can't even. And I'm pretty sure, actually, fun fact, he tattooed them on Amber.
Because he was, like, a tattoo guy. I do not doubt that on any level.
Like... And the prosecutor that's questioning him is like, oh, do you tattoo all your friends' names on your coin?
Yeah. I'm just asking for a friend. I love that.
She's like, so that's pretty typical. Where are the other friends?
You weren't involved? You guys are just friends?
You're that close? We just love the alphabet.
That's all. That doesn't mean anything. That's just an A.W.
Yeah. I love root beer. I love saying root.
Aw. Aw. That's why. And she's like, I just love MB.
I don't even know what you can fucking do with that.
My butt. love my butt pierce morgan in the interview he's like so also you have uh michael's initials tattooed and Where do you have them tattooed?
And she's like, right above my vagina. Literally.
Like, Pierce Morgan's a dick, by the way.
Fuck him. Yeah, I heard that. But I just really wanted to see the show.
Yeah. So, like I said, the only people that didn't get a confession from Mike were the investigators and the jury.
Of course. At his trial, he claimed he wasn't even at Charlie's house when Seth got murdered.
Nope, he wasn't there. No, of course not.
No way. But that he did help with disposing the remains because kyle was like you're either with us or against us And he was like, well, I can't be against you, so... I'm gonna get knocked out by another 15-year-old.
Shit. And also, if you look at Kyle... He didn't say that.
He wasn't like, you're either with us or against us.
He was like, okay, Mike. Sounds good. I'll kill someone with you.
I'll tend to this fire until 2.30 in the morning.
Please don't kill me also. Also, I'm standing outside somebody's window.
Oh, he's the creep. I forgot. Yeah, that's him.
Yeah, he's the peeping Tom. Peeping Kyle.
Peeping Kyle. So yeah, he wasn't even at Charlie's house, but he did help with disposing Seth's body.
And also came up with an elaborate story starring himself as the victim.
Oh. I love it. Mike said that he was walking to an old girlfriend's house after Justin Soto and Kyle just fucking attacked him of course after stealing his gun.
Aw. Like, how dare they? Poor Mike. He claimed that Kyle and Justin broke his nose.
Holy shit. Split his lip. Oh my god. And left multiple scrapes and bruises on his body.
No. Actually, most likely were wounds from Seth fucking fighting for his life.
Likely. You fucking piece of shit. Nice try.
Gross. But he said that after that fight, he took a shower and he drank a few beers.
As one does. And then he decided to walk to his ex's house.
And on the way, he stopped to roll a couple joints.
As one does. And then stopped again to smoke a couple joints.
Because you rolled them. Might as well smoke them.
I mean, what else are you going to do? And then he threw up.
I mean, same. Because he drank a lot and smoked a lot.
And then he was like, well, I can't show up at my ex's like this, so I guess I should just turn around and go home.
Yeah. And then when he gets home, he finds Charlie cleaning up some blood on the floor.
Oh, my God. And he said that Justin Soto was just hanging out by the door.
Yeah. And that Amber was sitting on the couch crying, drinking from a bottle of liquor.
So he knew that something had happened and he was like, you know what?
I don't want to know. I'm just going to go to bed.
Checks out. Yep. He's done. Checks. Write the fuck out.
So he just went to his room without asking any questions.
That seems very legit. And shortly after that, Justin Soto came in to tell him that, hey...
He had Mike's gun and I'll give it back to you.
But before I give it back to you, you got to go talk to Kyle.
Because Kyle's the mastermind in all of this.
Obviously, Kyle, the one who broke within 24 hours.
Literally 30 seconds after he saw his mother.
Within like 12 hours of it happening. He's like, mama, I saw something real bad.
He seems like the mastermind. And so that's when Mike goes out to talk to Kyle, who he is probably like really afraid of.
Oh, absolutely. And he sees this big fire.
And that's when Kyle told Mike that he shot Seth after a fight broke out and Kyle and Soto ended up shooting Seth multiple times during this fight.
It just happened. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
100%. Not true. 100%. So all of this is presented to the jury and they're like, yeah.
Who all laugh. You all suck. Every single one of you suck ass.
Yeah. And you all get a lifetime sentence in prison for murder one because this was also premeditated as fuck.
Oh, wait, you mean Amber isn't going to be out when she's 20?
No. When she's like 20? By the time I fucking get out, I'm going to be like 20.
Oh, my God. Bitch. Really suck. Really.
Except Havens didn't receive. he was the one that helped dispose of the body but wasn't present for the murder the stepfather the stepdad the former stepdad I couldn't fucking find out what this man was sentenced to, but I did find multiple articles that said he faced up to 30 years. for his role in the crime okay so like i said every single one of them other than him received a life sentence amazing And Mike Bargo actually received the death penalty.
Oh, snap. Twice. Whoa. Because the first time...
It was before the law was made that all death penalties had to be made by a unanimous jury.
Oh, OK. So they were like, I don't know how many jurors were like, no.
He doesn't need to die. But not everyone was like, kill him.
Kill him. So he got to have another hearing.
And... In this one, on Tuesday, April 9th, 2019...
The jury unanimously decided to sentence that motherfucker to death.
Oh, my damn. And that was 2019 that they did that?
Yeah, they finally came up with it. the hearing was I think the hearing was like in 2017 it took like a long time I was gonna say it always takes forever or like the whole thing the whole trial holy shit so he got sentenced to death And the rest of them are just going to rot forever.
Except for James Haven, who I don't fucking know how long he's been. gonna be in jail for yeah and who who the hell knows what that dude's deal is and there's also like this facebook page that's like free Charlie Eli.
She didn't know what was going on. Are you kidding me right now?
It's like, oh, she was just scrubbing the floors with bleach after...
A fucking kid got murdered in her house.
She was like, what's all this blood doing in my house?
And she also went with Amber to go get him, knowing full well what the fuck was going to happen.
Yeah, so fuck that. So Seth's mom and dad are featured in the Piers Morgan show and it's like the saddest thing ever.
Aww. And his dad is like, his dad is just like torn up.
Because he was a baby. I mean, 15 years old.
That's a baby. Yeah, he was the youngest of three boys.
That's awful. That's your... That's your baby.
That's your baby. And he says... He was like, therapy doesn't help.
Like, he was like... I try to just push everything down and that's how I deal with it but he was like I want to torture every single fucking one of those little people oh yeah like That's the only thing that would maybe help even a little bit.
I couldn't even imagine. And you know what?
I don't blame him. No, because nothing will fix that.
So we're also going to insert in a minute the victim impact statement that Seth's mom read during the trial because-
It is like the saddest thing ever, but also I think it's really important for people to hear.
So, brace yourselves. The loss of our son has been the most difficult thing we have ever had to bear.
It has changed our lives and the way we think, feel, and live.
Our lives will never be the same. as we will never see our son grow up or have children of his own, nor will we ever spend another birthday or holiday with our son.
As I stand here today or sit facing children who have taken our son's life, I ask myself, they are just kids.
Is life in prison the right punishment for them?
The hours before any action was taken proves the kind of person they really are.
They had plenty of time to think about what was going to happen.
The thoughts running through their minds should have raised red flags.
They say their minds are not fully developed at this age.
This is true, but it does not take a fully developed mind to know and understand right from wrong.
A two-year-old learns that hurting others is not accepted in our society.
This was no accident. This was a planned murder that they all agreed to, talked about, and thought about.
They even took steps to prepare for it. Seth and Kyle were friends at one time.
Kyle even spent time in our home. Now the life you will lead. will remind you that Seth did deserve to live.
You helped take Seth's life, and I hope he haunts the rest of yours.
The actions he carried out have changed all our lives.
We understand that his family feels they have lost him, but he is still here for them to talk to. to hug, and to hear his I love you's.
Let me remind them that their child is not dead.
We will never have those precious moments again.
The Bible says an eye for an eye. So be thankful that you live within a justice system that does not live by this code.
This is why we ask. That he spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Because death is not an option. Yeah. That hurts my soul.
I know. That really does. I just want to give her like the biggest hug.
Yeah. Because I honestly can't even fathom that. like no one should even begin to fathom that no at all And also I want to give a shout out.
So we actually received an email and that's how I found out about this case because I had never heard about this case before.
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And know that we see them and look through them all the time for case adjustments.
Even if we don't respond because we've been trying to respond to everything, but we are very overloaded with messages.
Yes. But we see all of them. Yeah. And we are very thankful for them because we get great cases like this.
So I'm not going to say this person's last name just because I don't know if they want me to or not.
But I hope you know who you are, Louise.
And thank you so much for the suggestion.
She says, my boyfriend and I listen to them.
You guys totally crack us up because she loves our podcast.
I love you, Louise, and thank you for this case, because holy shit.
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But not so weird that you're a trash bag of a human being and you get into Facebook fights with people and you tell people that like I'm better than you and then You say, come over to my house, I'm going to lure you here, and we're going to get back together, and then you don't, and you brutally fucking kill somebody, and then you, like, just lie about that. whole entire thing and you think that you're gonna get out of jail when you're 20 you're just not gonna do that and you know what just don't keep it that weird be kind spread love goodbye Don't murder people, guys.
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