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I am sodium. Yeah, I am. Okay. So yeah. But so this is going to be our episode on Israel Keys.
Which has been requested by quite a few.
It has. It's funny because this is a case that When you mention it, like some people are like, oh, my God, I've been dying to hear this one.
And some people are like, who the hell is that?
I've never heard of him. I know. And it's crazy because a lot of people haven't.
But when you hear the details of this case, there's so many weird fucked up moments that you're like, how does the entire world not know about him?
Oh, God. like it's one of those it's almost like the toy box killer how everyone was like how did i not know about this dude he's so brutal you're gonna do that to me again I'm going to bring you back.
I don't know. Call back. No. part episode because there's just so much to cover here because he's such a fucking monster.
So in the first part, I think we're just going to cover, you know, like where he grew up, all that good stuff.
And then the second part is where we're going to take kind of like a deep dive into it because they have recently released interviews with him like interrogation interviews where he just kind of like opened up about shit and And although they only have three crimes that they were able to confirm and really connect to him, they think there's he admitted to 11 and they think there's at least like 36 more. more i think shit so i think the second part is going to be like the deep dive into it the first part is going to be this one today is going to be just going through everything All right, guys, bring your board shorts.
We're going diving. Bring your bikini bottoms.
Israel Keys. Yes. Israel Keys was born in 1978. in Utah.
Utah? Utah. Utah. Utah. They ta. We all ta.
Ta. So he grew up with his parents and his four sisters. uh sunshine autumn rose hosanna and charity oh i feel like that's like religious Ah, yes.
Because isn't Hosanna in charity something?
I'm not super religious, so I'm definitely the wrong person to ask. but I feel like being in masks at some point I've heard that and also sunshine sunshine dust The parents were fundamentalist Mormons and they also believed in homeschooling Israel and his siblings.
All right. That can often work well, but I'm willing to say that it did not work out well in this case.
Sure didn't. Yeah. So yeah, the family moved to Stevens County in Washington and they started going to a church called The Ark.
The Ark. Yes. So the Ark was a Christian identity church and was well known for having racist and anti-Semitic beliefs.
Wow. And if you say it like that, it's still bad.
Still doesn't sound great. Don't be a racist or an anti-Semite.
Don't do it. During childhood, Israel was obsessed with guns.
He would shoot BBs at random houses. He...
Also like to start fires in the woods, according to one report.
He sounds like a very fine young man. The makings of a serial killer, if you ask me.
According to another report, he would break into cabins near his home and steal guns, and then he would bring them home and hide them.
Jeez. He was doing really good from a young age.
Totally. Yeah. And then when his parents found his stash, they were just like, you know what?
You need to apologize and return the guns.
Yeah, I feel like you kind of have, like, a duty to do your due diligence as a parent in that case.
Like, hop in your Dodge minivan... beep beep roll up to therapy we got something to talk about yeah and crack that skull open and start taking a look around well you know figuratively um okay not physically i was like uh not literally i was like no no no that's not where i was going no no no i'm going the opposite direction But they didn't drive to therapy.
Instead, they just became really good friends with their neighbors.
Which was good for Israel because they were like really nice people.
I'm lying. They were shit people. Oh, God.
So their neighbors were the Kehoe's. The Kehoe's.
And they were well-known racists. oh so really really awful humans uh israel became close with chevy i believe is how you say it who is now a convicted murderer Oh, he's not a famous comedian.
No, it's not. Although maybe he's a murderer, too.
Oh, I don't know. Throw in accusations. I don't know your life, Chevy.
And then I don't know if it's chain or Shane.
It's C-H-E-Y-N-E. Shane, I think. I think it's Shane.
Yeah. So he was friends with Shane too. When the family moved, that's when they all became friends.
And they remained friends all the way through their teenage years, like Chevy, Shane, and Israel.
So let's get into his like first crime. Let's do it.
And that's the only crime that I'm going to talk about because you have the rest of them.
I do. I do. So Israel's first crime was the rape of a young girl in Oregon.
Is that how I do it? Yeah, Oregon. He told investigators that it was sometime in the summer between 1996 and 1998.
And that he had believed the girl that he raped was between 14 and 16.
So he's a piece of shit. He's like, I can't be sure.
But he's like, I think she was like really young.
Yeah. Fucking nasty head. You're nasty.
He said he was super violent and that he had every intention of killing her, but for some reason he didn't and he let her go.
My God, what kind of angel came sitting on her shoulder?
I mean, not that she had a great time that day, but to get away.
Definitely not. When he was definitely intending on killing her.
And the crime, according to investigators, was unreported.
Oh, yeah. He just admitted it to them. It was like one of the first things he admitted.
Oh my god. And also he served three years in the US Army between 1998 and 2001.
And that was it. That's it. That's all I have to say about the military for him.
Because I couldn't find anything about his military years.
I know. It is hard to find. When you look at his case, it's very willy nilly-ish.
Yes. I do know that after his discharge from the army, he moved to Makah Reservation in Neah Bay, Washington. where he worked for the tribal authority.
Okay. He did tell investigators that he...
He committed, he believed he committed his first murder soon after moving there in 2001.
As in like he couldn't remember? Yeah, in his reasoning.
You want to hear his reasoning for committing his first murder there?
He was bored that day. Quote, Nia Bay is a boring town.
I literally just fucking called it. I didn't even know the real answer.
I just assumed. He was like, yeah, it was just a boring town.
So what the hell else was I going to do?
Stir up some murderous shit. Yeah. Wow. Now, he later claimed that he committed four murders while living in Washington.
But again, those crimes, there's a lot of unconfirmed, you know, we haven't found bodies, we haven't found this and that.
Right. Because as we're going to see... He is extraordinarily well prepared.
I hate that about serial killers. meticulously that was part of his mo is he so they believe he he killed at least 36 people Wow.
That's what they believe. That's a lot of fucking people.
Yeah, that's like Ted Bundy numbers. He has given like details kind of for Eleven. okay and they've confirmed three wow that's not a lot out of but they've only confirmed three because the guy was so fucking meticulous yeah well and he's dead now so they don't have like any information exactly which will um part two is how we're going to explain you know how he's dead what's going on with that spoiler alert more details in part two for from like the interviews he gave because that's Really, the only way the police got any information about his crimes were these interviews where he gave them the information.
Interesting. Kind of like Ted Bundy. Yeah.
Like he did not leave a bunch of shit around.
Right. He knew I'm not trying to like paint him as this like brilliant, you know.
But he was kind of a brilliant criminal, unfortunately.
He did have a daughter. Oh. He had a daughter with a girlfriend and in March 2007 he and his daughter moved from Washington to Anchorage, Alaska.
He had custody? I guess so. Damn. Well, that's what gets weirder.
And I'll talk about it when we go into his MO, actually, so I won't go into that right now.
I need to know. He moved his daughter and himself to Anchorage, Alaska in March 2007 to live with a woman that he started dating.
I was going to say, like, what did he do with her when he was out murdering?
Do you call a babysitter? And I'm like. You're like, hey, I got to do some murders tonight.
I got to murder someone. Can you watch my daughter?
You're like, going rate is $8 an hour. Well, when he got to Anchorage, Alaska is when he really flourished in his killing career because he kind of used it as his main hub.
And then he would just like branch out into the lower 48 to do his deeds.
Okay. Up in Anchorage, Alaska, he worked as a handyman and a contractor.
And he also started his own business up there called Keys Construction.
Damn. So he was like... doing a ton of normal shit while also doing a ton of dark scary shit yeah a little bit for like years and years and no one knew about it I really wonder if he was a Gemini.
Oh, January 7th. So he is. He's a you. So he's a Capricorn.
That's what I am. I'm a Gemini. You are a Gemini.
I'm very much a Capricorn. I am very much a Gemini. um so while he was up in anchorage alaska having a construction business just living with his daughter and his girlfriend being a capricorn and he's just being a capricorn and He was also, which makes sense because Capricorns are very meticulous planners and very like hard workers.
They're, overextenders, overachievers. Get out of my head.
He fits right into the bill. So while he was up there, he was also visiting a ton of family members in the lower 48th.
So he was traveling a ton. Right. The FBI thinks he took as many as 35 trips. between October 2004 and March 2012 when he was captured.
Wow. That's a lot of fucking trips. Exactly.
And it's not like he would just fly somewhere and leave a paper trail. when he did this he would fly to a state and then he would rent a car and drive thousands of miles to another state to do the job to kill someone Weird.
So that he couldn't be connected to it through airline tickets at all.
Like he would fly, you know... To Chicago or somewhere.
And then he'd drive thousands and thousands of miles to like Vermont and kill someone.
What the fuck? Because then no one's going to connect him.
Yeah, it makes sense. He would also plan these trips out and these murders out years in advance.
Years? Years. Whoa. So... Did he stalk people?
No, this is the thing. He never stalked people.
He had places in mind. Okay. So one of the big things about Israel Keyes is he had kill kits.
And these were literally kits with like guns, weapons, I mean, things to dispose of a body, things to hold someone, rope, tape, all this other shit.
It was like anything he thought he would need to kill someone, he had in that kit.
He had in these kits. He would bury these kits in random states and then know where they were.
He would memorize where they were and come back to them later.
Because he would think, I know I want to murder someone in New York.
So I'm going to bury this kid here. And then when I get there, I'll find the person.
And once I found the person, boom, I have my kit ready.
Wow. Like, he doesn't have to make any, like, he can just go for it.
He can just be like, boom. And he would use money that he got from successful bank robberies that he committed on the side as well.
He did that too? Yep. And he would use that money to fund these kits, like buy the guns, buy all these because he would buy guns, ammunition and hide it with the kit.
Wow. Yeah. And construction is a pretty good business.
It is. But so is bank robbing, I guess. I know.
He would literally pick a spot, go there, bury the kill kit.
And then you remember where that was, come back, sometimes up to two years later.
After burying it. Wait, no. He would find the person two years later.
Bury the kit. Remember where it was two years later. come back, remember where that kid was, and commit the crime.
And he had one or more of these kill kits in Alaska, New York.
Washington, Arizona, Wyoming, and Texas.
Jesus. Yeah. So he like hit like every region of the country, which is like almost every region of the country.
Which is really concerning because it's like, what did you have planned?
Did you have plans to like hit everywhere in the country?
Well, maybe he did. Yeah. He could have.
We just don't know. It's bonkers. And what's also crazy is he didn't have a victim profile.
Really? No. And this kind of goes back to, like I mentioned before, going back to him having a kid, how this affected the whole thing.
Yeah. Like, where did he put her? Well, and this is one of the scariest things about him.
He would literally kill women, men, older, youngish... but never children.
And he always said he had a thing. He would not go after children.
And he wouldn't go after... Another thing I read was that he didn't want to go after mothers.
What a genuine human. Like a mother who had a child.
Okay. He also never wanted to kill dogs.
Yeah, which is like, what a good guy. What a fucking gentleman.
He's like, listen, I wanted to kill old people, youngish people.
Guys, everybody in between, but I have a few rules here.
Yeah. No dogs, love dogs. Love dogs. No kids, have kid.
Have kid. Have kid. Everything else? On the table.
Mom? No. Got one of those too. Because moms have kids. yeah oh shit you know and sometimes dogs too sometimes dogs mom's kids dogs And that's his thing.
He told the police, he said after he said, I had a daughter and that made me like, there's no way I could kill a child.
Interesting that he could kill, like, I wonder if he would kill a father.
Well, and that's what's so weird. It's like, so he had this weird...
He wasn't a total sociopath. Yeah, it's like he had this weird moral code and it's like, so he did care for his daughter.
Right. Because he would... feel some kind of like weird empathy if he killed a child it's like it's a very weird because he was a fucking brutal maniac so it's like right Why did you have scruples?
And you had like self-control to not do that.
That's the other thing. Which is interesting.
And his self-control was so far reaching because it's like years.
He could bury a kit and wait years to use that kit.
Instead of just like, I need it. I need to do it now.
Because there's so many of them. He was like Jones in for a murder, but like he wasn't.
Like he wanted to, but he had such self-control that he could wait up to two years to commit the crime.
That's crazy. Such a... Capricorn, right?
Such a Capricorn. One other thing that he had like a thing about was he would only go af he would only like go into houses and murder someone if there was an attached garage If there was an unattached garage, he wouldn't do it.
Why? Because he was so meticulous about not being caught.
He didn't want to have to leave the house to go into the garage and either steal their car or do whatever he had to do.
Interesting. He needed that attached so that there was little time for him to be outside and be seen. okay which is like wow that is pretty smart and if he saw he said if he saw that there was a dog it was a no-no and if he saw that there was a child in the house it was a no-no Okay.
So, I mean, claps and snaps for you, bud.
Classy Israel. So the three murders that have been linked to keys.
Hold on. I just had like a moment. You had a moment?
Yeah. If he... Why did he rape that 14-year-old girl?
Well, because he was younger. Oh. So he didn't have a child.
OK. All right. So he admitted it's me having a daughter has changed.
Because I was like, hold up. There's a fucking plot hole here.
You're like, whoa, whoa, Whoa, there's a plot hole to reality here.
Excuse me. Excuse me, Israel. Mr. Keys. Excuse me, life editors.
You have an issue with the storyline. Got to fix that.
No, it was because he didn't have a daughter yet.
No plot hole. Shit, this guy's story is just like tight.
It's airtight, man. It's good writing. Three murders that have been linked to him because of his own confessions.
Okay. Again. are the murders of Bill and Lorraine Currier in Essex, Vermont in 2011.
Okay. and the death of Samantha Koenig in Anchorage, Alaska in 2012.
Samantha Koenig is the case that is bonkers bananas crazy.
Cucumber nuts. Yeah. So we'll start with the murders of Bill and Lorraine Currier.
Okay. So... keys had gone this is what's so crazy about him he had gone to vermont two years prior to killing them okay And that's when he hid his murder kit and all the disposal shit he would need.
Where did he hide it? Like in the mountains or the woods or the where?
He would just bury it somewhere. Just like anywhere?
Yeah. He picked a place and he would bury it.
Okay. Yeah. It must have been some place that he was comfortable, you know, returning back to.
Going back to. I think this kit was near the home that they, that he ended up actually Killing them in.
Again, this wasn't because he picked them two years prior.
It just happened to work out that way. It was near his kid.
Yeah, he probably looked around, saw that the area was somewhere he wanted to kill someone in because he's a maniac.
Right. And it just happened to be there.
Shit. This murder kid in particular had like a handgun, silencers. ropes, ammunition for the gun, and garbage bags to dispose of the bodies.
Wow. There was a shovel. There was plastic bags, gloves.
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Yeah. Oh, pretty much. So... Gotta stop buying that just in case.
Right? Just kidding. So... Buried the kit, two years later, comes back.
What he did was he flew from Alaska to Chicago on June 2, 2011.
Then he rented a car and drove almost a thousand miles.
To Vermont. So he flew to Chicago from Alaska.
Got in a car. And then drove to Vermont.
Yes. That's a far distance. That's a far drive.
Bill and Lorraine Currier were married. Just a tiny bit of background about these two because there's not a ton of details about it.
Bill Currier was 49 years old and he was an animal care technician at the University of Vermont.
So he liked dogs. So he liked dogs. So fucking Israel, man.
Okay. Plot hole. Plot hole. So Lorraine Currier was 55 and she worked at Fletcher Allen Healthcare.
Aww. Now, they were immediately noticed because that they were missing because they didn't show up for work.
Right. People said they were not the people kind of people who wouldn't call in and not show up.
They were really good about being on more at work on time, like responsible people.
And a lot of people said that they were just good people, so people noticed that they were missing.
Oh. But they were last seen leaving at leaving work in June 2011.
Okay. And they didn't show up the next day.
That's when people were like, uh. So, so Keys chose their house, again, not because of them in particular, but because there was no children or dog.
And there was an attached garage. He said it looked like it was a pretty decent layout of the home.
He knew where the master bedroom was. He felt like he could maneuver around quick.
It freaks me out when people know your home.
Right? And I'm not sure if this was a one story or two story home, but I feel like the way he talks about this, it feels like it might be a one story because he can like layout map out the. the house all together you know what i mean one stories are for dead people There you go.
That's our new slogan. So what he did that night that he attacked them and ended up murdering them. was he cut their phone line oh no i just got so fucked up that is like the scariest shit ever that's horror movie shit yeah No!
No! Fix your fucking windows. I'm not victim blaming.
We're not victim blaming. We're just saying fix your windows.
He was wearing a headlamp. Bye. Bye. Right?
Get out of my house. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
I'm going to nope right out of there. Oh, that reminds me of Silence of the Lambs when she has the vision goggles on.
Fuck that. Yeah. yeah this is so creepy you i hate you yeah so he just busts in wearing a headlamp in the middle of the night attacks them in bed he immediately tied them up with zip ties oh god threw them into their own car and drove them to an abandoned farmhouse shut the fuck up i will not He kidnapped them?
He threw them in their own car and brought them to an abandoned... which is the scariest location you can bring someone.
Yeah, it is. I mean, look at our mini episode we just talked about. farmhouses man i'm heavily spooked i am heavily spooked and i know what happens shit So when he got to the farmhouse, he left Lorraine in the car tied up.
And he brought Bill into the basement of the abandoned farmhouse.
The abandoned farmhouse basement. Can you for one second imagine how horrifying this must have been for these four people?
Oh my god. Like this poor man is brought to the basement of an abandoned farmhouse in the middle of the fucking night.
And his wife is probably like Like in the trunk in the middle of nowhere.
With his wife in a car with this fucking maniac.
Like I just, I can't even wrap my brain around it.
Goodbye. So he left him in the basement and then he returns to the car where Lorraine had tried to run from the car.
Yeah. Because she was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here.
Oh my God. But can you imagine like the things that went through her head?
Like her husband. Her husband is with this. dude because you're just sitting there being like what the hell's gonna happen what's gonna happen to him do i stay here and fight him to try to help my husband like oh my god this is so fucked The decision you have to make there is like the worst.
It's Sophie's choice. I don't know if I'll ever love somebody enough to not run from a murderer.
I think you will. I don't know. Because you know what?
I would totally fight a murderer for John.
But Lorraine went running out of the car.
Same girl. But he tackled her and dragged her into the farmhouse.
This is a horror movie. Yeah, I was just picturing fucking Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Me too. Like, busting through that door and just grabbing her back into the house.
Oh my god, I hate that scene. It's horrifying.
Like, let me go, bro. He returned to the basement and he could hear Bill screaming for his wife.
No. Nope. Nope. Nope. Yep. Bill was screaming for Lorraine.
Don't tell me that. So he struck Bill in the head with a shovel and then shot him in the head right in front of Lorraine.
Thanks so much for that information. Like, whoa.
That's so fucked. That made my heart fall out of my chest.
So then he went back to the second floor where he sexually assaulted and raped Lorraine.
After he just brutally murdered her husband in an abandoned farmhouse in the middle of the fucking night.
This is horrible. And then he strangled her to death.
Wow. Yo. And then did he just leave them there?
Well. Oh, no, because he had the garbage bags.
He then put their bodies in garbage bags, but he left them in that abandoned farmhouse.
But the house got demolished with their bodies inside.
What? So their bodies have not been recovered.
Because their bodies literally got demolished, like taken down into rubble. and taken away and nobody found like until like a landfill oh my god so it just pulverized their bodies and that was it that whole they'll never find them Was like the worst horror movie ever with like the most horrific ending.
Right? Wow. And it's real life. That's really sad.
This is Israel fucking Keys guys. So just a reminder.
Yeah, just just a reminder. So that was that murder.
That was horrific. This next one's more horrific.
Yes. My ride is actually here and I'm leaving now.
You gotta stay, man. I'm busy that day. You're obligated.
I don't know anymore. Quits on air. I'm done.
This is it. Israel Keys, you know what? You did me in.
It's funny that like the toy box killer didn't do it to you.
I think I was too much in a state of emotional shock.
Yeah, I did put you in like a catatonic state.
Catatonic, totally. So the other confirmed murder we are going to talk about right now, at least currently, is...
He confessed to the kidnapping and murder of Samantha Koenig.
Was she the barista? Yeah, she was an 18-year-old barista working in Anchorage, Alaska.
Oh, so that was in his home. Yeah. His home base.
Samantha was one of six children. Everyone said she was a sweetheart.
She was very loyal, very kind. She was very genuine with people.
She had a ton of friends. Everyone liked her.
I hope that's what people say about me someday if I get murdered.
People definitely not say that about me.
Do you think that, like, she was a fucking...
She was a raging bitch. People hated her.
Yeah, probably. And then they'll post my worst picture.
But, you know, I'll talk to Dateline at the time.
I'll get a good pic for you. Thank you. Don't worry about it.
Because hopefully by that point, me and Keith Morrison will be bros.
Like... I have some pull. I want to be bros with Keith Morrison.
God, I want to be bros with Keith Morrison.
Excuse me, Keith. Are you listening? Keith.
He's like, yes. Oh. Oh. But wait, I was listening.
Hey, girls. The last one didn't work. That got too sultry.
It got way too sultry. But that is Keith.
But, like, the wait I was listening part was good.
Keith is pretty sultry, so. So, yeah, Samantha was an amazing person.
She was genuine, loved. She was cared for by, she had tons of friends.
Just one of those people that you're like, what the fuck is real?
Yeah, like, why did you have to be such a dickhole?
So he had originally made a plan to kidnap both her and her boyfriend from the coffee stand.
Oh. I'm not sure if her boyfriend worked at that stand at any point.
He was just like visiting. Or if he was just there and he saw them.
Right. And decided I'm just going to kidnap them both.
I feel like he had a thing against love.
Well, and it's, like, ballsy. Yeah. Like, you were gonna... What?
Like, that was your plan? And, like... Like in broad daylight, did he do it?
Which... From the coffee stand? I'm kind of thinking, I'm like...
I think he's just saying that to like... Be like, I was gonna do that.
Yeah, like inflate his like... Ego. peni a little bit and be like i was gonna kidnap them both and kill them both but then i just went with her it's like no yeah if you were gonna do that you would have done it yeah You weren't gonna, you little dick.
Stupid idiot. So, Samantha was waiting for her boyfriend to pick her up from a shift.
Okay. She was still working, but she was basically at the end of her shift.
And was she by herself? She was. Because this was not like a shop.
It was like a little trailer type, like a kiosk.
Oh, really? Like one of those little, like, almost like a food truck kind of thing.
Yeah, no, that's... No bueno. It just didn't seem...
So he just decided, okay, I was waiting around for the boyfriend, but he didn't show up yet.
So I'm just going to get her. That was what he told the police.
Now what's crazy about this is there is a video of the abduction.
Oh. There is surveillance video from the little kiosk thing that she worked in that shows this whole thing.
Oh, my God. And it is so spooky. Spook to watch it because you're just sitting there being like oh I just want to help like you want to reach in and just like grab her Yeah, and help her So he comes up to the window.
He ordered an Americano. Was this like a Starbucks?
I don't think so. I think it was just like other places make Americanos.
I'm like must have been Starbucks it had to have been Starbucks so she makes the coffee And then he apparently pulled out a gun when she turned around.
You can't see him on the surveillance video.
You just see her suddenly put her hands up.
Oh, God. She starts backing away from the window.
He climbs into the thing with her. No. Yup.
He binds her hands and drags her out and throws her in the car.
It is horrifying. I really hate that so much.
So what he told her, he said, I just want your family to pay me some ransom money and I'll let you go.
But he said that was literally never my intention.
He just said that to be a dick? yeah he just well no he just told her that because he was like I didn't want her to like piss me off and like fight back like he told investigators this and he was like my intention was to murder her but i also wanted money so i just told her like just do what i say i just want some ransom from your family like just shut up and also you just didn't want to deal And I'll let you go.
So, like, he gave her the idea, like, I'll let you go.
Oh my god. So Samantha, I mean, apparently Samantha tried really hard to convince him, like, my family doesn't have a ton of money.
You're not going to get a ton of money. Like, please just let me go.
And that reminds me, Bill and Lorraine, it also is said that they fought like hell, by the way.
So all of these people, I mean, this guy just seemed like he was just like a brick wall.
Like people fought so hard. against him he wasn't even that big was he no and that's what's so weird yeah but people fought him man like all these victims were fucking fighters till the end And his response to her saying like, my family doesn't have a lot of money, blah, blah, blah.
He was like, well, I guess they're going to have to have the community raise money for you then.
Oh my god. Yeah. So he had a white pickup truck.
There was parking lot security footage nearby and it showed him... actually coming back to the vehicle because apparently Samantha had momentarily escaped.
No. Yes. It shows him, he tackled her to the ground, drew his gun, and said he'd kill her if he did.
He was like, if you do this again, I'm going to kill you.
So she complied. oh my god but she got away for a minute no I just wish you didn't tell me that yeah um so he then he gets her and he brings her back to his house No.
He took her money, her credit cards, her ID, and he tried to look for her cell phone. because he needed that cell phone to do the ransom plan sure so he was like he actually was going to do that yeah so he was gonna do the ransom but he had every intention of killing her regardless anyway he just wanted the money so what he did was he bound her up And he put her in the backyard in a shed.
No. Yep. And then he cranked the radio up so no one would hear her screaming.
Oh my god, that's so scary. Which, that...
It's like one of... Because a lot of... You hear this in a lot of cases that they would crank up the music to drown out screams.
Like in Silence of the Lambs. And it's like...
I cannot. For some reason that just like sends me into like, I can't.
That's just one of the scariest things you can do.
And that's what they, they do that to increase the anxiety and also to drown out the screams.
Mm-hmm. But it also creates this awful chaotic situation where it just makes it worse.
Right. He also told her, he was like, oh, by the way, I have a police scanner with me.
So I'm going to know if the neighbors call for help and I'm going to come back here and kill you.
Oh, wow. So he covered all bases. He was like, shut your mouth because if the neighbors call for help, then you're fucked.
Oh, my God. And I'll know. So he went back to Samantha's car because he was like, I'm looking for the cell phone.
Mm-hmm. And this was a car that she and her boyfriend shared, I guess.
And so he broke into it. He got her cell phone.
And then Samantha's boyfriend saw him, yelled at him, and tried to chase him, but he got away.
What the fuck? Yep. So when he got home, he immediately sexually assaulted Samantha and strangled her to death.
Oh my god. So you might be wondering, like, okay, how the fuck are you gonna get ransom?
What's going on right now? This is where shit gets...
Was he lying and saying, oh God, this is going to make my stomach so sad.
He then left her body in the shed that he had kept her in before.
Went on a two-week cruise out of New Orleans with her body in the shed.
What? And when he got back, he was like, I still want that ransom money.
Even though I just could afford a fucking cruise.
And obviously this is in Anchorage, Alaska, so the show was probably freezing.
So I'm sure she was pretty well preserved for two weeks.
So what did he do when he returned? Did he send a picture of her to her family?
He decided he sewed her eyes open to appear like she was awake and alive. and took a Polaroid picture of her body tied up and posed to look like she was alive.
He had her hold an old copy of the Anchorage Daily News so that it looked like it was a different, like the day was correct.
Yeah. And he literally posed her arm to appear she was holding the newspaper.
There is this photo online. I don't want it.
Please don't put it on the Instagram. One of the scariest photos you will ever see because you're looking at it knowing that her eyes are fucking sewn open and they're literally wide open.
And she just looks, I mean, you look at it and you're like, yeah, she's not alive.
Like, are you kidding me right now? It is horrifying.
I don't even have a response for that. Like, this dude sewed her eyes open and then took a picture and then...
He texted Samantha's boyfriend from her phone, giving him directions to some dog park where he left that photo. the Polaroid, and a $30,000 ransom demand, which was paid to him.
No. Yep. And what he did... How did they get $30,000?
They must have... I mean, when it's your family member, I guess you scrape it together from as many sources as possible. possible and they couldn't triangulate this whole thing through cell phone stuff because you would think okay he's using her cell phone but the location is going to prove that it was from that house Well, what he would do is he would send the text message and then he would remove the cell phone battery because it avoids being tracked down, or at least at the point it did.
Wow. So after that, after he got everything he wanted, did that whole thing.
He dismembered her body and threw it in the frozen Matanuska Lake near Anchorage.
He cut a hole in the frozen lake and dumped her in there.
My God. Yep. That is where we're going to stop for part two.
Because I think... The next one we're going to get into all his interrogations and the interviews with police because there's just a plethora of information there.
Maybe we'll play a couple of clips if I can make sure I can get some without getting in trouble for playing.
And yeah, this dude is bonkers. And I just think. he deserves a two-parter man there's just too much information for one we didn't want to keep you here for like five hours This is also a lot of information to take in.
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I'll post photos. Don't look at that picture because you'll never stop thinking about it.
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Did I cover everything? You did. Alright, so guys, keep fucking listening.
And we hope you keep it weird. But that's so weird that you live in Alaska and then you go to all these fucking places and you drive your car to, like, so many different places.
Like, slow down while you're driving is real.
And then you fucking... I don't even know what you do with all those murder kits like don't keep it that weird that you're just murdering kits everywhere and like leaving them places and And then you go to Starbucks for an Americano and you're like, you know what else would be great if I fucking kidnapped this girl and murdered her and then sewed her fucking eyes open.
Like a savage. And then took $30,000 from her family to keep it that weird.
Don't do that guy. Bye. Bye. That knocks me out every time.
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