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And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid.
is mom and what's up fuckers what's up fuckers what the fuck is up kyle oh man we got crumble cookie today and it didn't slap it um didn't they couldn't do it same day usually they do it same Same day.
Which I know sounds like an insane problem to have. Yeah, it absolutely is.
It upset us a little bit.
I know, it was very upsetting.
What's going on? Also, it just wasn't as good today.
But crumble is usually where it's at. Yeah.
Like, love it. And I can't speak to that because I haven't had a piece yet.
You'll probably love it.
So it didn't slap for Ash.
Maybe it'll slap for me.
It just didn't. Wow.
Sorry. Sorry, not sorry.
You know what did slap?
up I got panera today oh my god and the chicken and wild rice soup will just it will just erase any problem in your life it's so good all of them it'll clear your skin it'll pay your bills I don't know it'll fix your broken relationships all right all of that maybe no ash claimed that maybe so mote it be I mean so um so we're you know we're that we're doing a lot of ricottons today oh my god i know but you know what the energy is here because we're excited to talk to you guys because we're always excited what are you looking at that plane it sounded like it was gonna fall into our house i i did not feel
that but i recognize that you did i felt that way it's crazy you crazy you're crazy um yeah so i don't think we have a lot of business no we did the business in the last one.
Yeah, we don't have a lot of business today except for the crumble cookie of it all.
And that's business.
But today I'm going to be telling you a story that is a wee bit upsetting.
I bet. Which is pretty normal.
Or as the kids say, bet.
Bet. There you go. They should just say I bet.
They should just say words, like full sentences.
Yeah, like I bet. That's a full sentence.
I bet you are correct.
Or just say so we're gonna be talking about the gaffney strangler oh lee roy martin i don't know if i've heard of this i actually had not heard of this before whoa two back -to -back cases you haven't heard about everybody watch out hell hath frozen over i know until i i happen to come across it somehow and threw it over to dave and once i was reading it with him he it's insane like insane uh it's just a very like i said it's just a very upsetting case and it's one that i'm like Like, why the fuck didn't I know about this?
Like, it's crazy. So this takes place in the 60s.
Oh, okay. So not, like, super old timey.
Sort of, yeah. But not super old timey, you know, like, not me old timey.
No. You know what's crazy?
That's, like, pretty close to 100 years ago, though.
What the fuck? If you really think about it, like, 2060 is not that far away.
That took me a second to understand.
We're closer to 2060 than we are to 1960.
Yeah, probably. I don't know.
when you said that i thought you were saying at first that that's like 100 years ago and i was like no it's like in my head i was that lady with all the math equations going around no but it's not that far ago do the math real quick on your your tip tappy calculator i'm doing it i'm doing it i'm doing it there's so many people that's 64 years ago so we're closer to that being 100 hundred years than not there you go like we're when you round when you do the rounding listen yeah i feel you we're closer it's a hundred years a hundred years ago but not so a hundred years ago on may 20th 1967 it's
late 60s oh honey so we're actually less even more less even closer to a hundred years i think is what you're trying to say no it's further from a hundred years because it's later in the 60s oh yeah no exactly fuck it's been a long day people listening are like you guys gotta yeah that's 57 years ago people born in the 60s are like can you just shut up and tell us the fucking case honestly I'm not a hundred I'd like to say that I questioned it from the gates okay I turn a hundred so on May 20th 1967 Roger and Annie Deadmond a young couple from Forest City North North Carolina.
You know, they were hanging out.
They spent the night out drinking in Gaffney, South Carolina.
Good for them. But later that night, after Roger had become more than a little bit drunk, I would say, Annie convinced her husband it was time to go head home.
They had a newborn son, Roger Jr., let's get home.
Take an Uber. Yeah.
They didn't. 57 years ago?
Yeah, as Annie drove down the back roads, so she was driving, she drove down the back roads of Gaffney, they did see a red -top cab come into view behind them on the road.
It's unlikely that they really even registered this cab.
Who knows if they even did, but witnesses would later tell investigators that Roger and Annie had been fighting at the bar and that an argument that started at the bar extended into the car as they drove home.
So the car was seen swerving from one lane to the other at times because the intensity of their argument was happening.
Who knows what the drinking yeah so finally fed up with the argument probably with her husband at that point annie pulled the car off to the side of the road and got out and was like you know what you go to sleep in the car see you later like oh she just didn't want anything to do with it so she started walking in the direction of home and roger passed out in the car oh god now annie didn't make it very far before that red top cab pulled up beside her and the driver asked if she She needed a ride home, which she happily accepted.
The following morning, the nude body of Annie Dedmond was discovered by a driver on a rural road just outside Jonesville, South Carolina.
Oh, that's so sad. You said they had a newborn baby at home?
Yeah, a newborn baby.
And she had been sexually assaulted.
She was struck on the head with a heavy object, and her cause of death ended up being strangulation.
Later that afternoon, police found her clothing scattered around the nearby wooded area.
area, Annie's body had been discovered lying against a chain -link fence that protected an electrical transformer.
But other than the clothing that they found scattered all around the woods, they really didn't find any more evidence and they didn't have any leads, really.
Jeez. Now, a short time later, Roger Dedmond was awoken by a knocking on the door of his home and opened it to find police officers who came to tell him, your wife has been found dead.
Now, Roger told the officers what he could remember of the night before.
He said they had gone out drinking.
On the way home, they got into an argument that had started at the bar.
Oh no. Annie pulled over, got out of the car, leaving him to pass out in the passenger seat.
He said a few hours later, he woke up and he ended up making his way home because he figured Annie was there.
Yeah. When he got there, she wasn't there.
He said he was surprised, but this wasn't the first time they'd fought like that or the first time that she had walked off during a fight and left him somewhere to sober up.
Oh. Because this was a pattern.
Uh -huh. So he expected she was just going to show up later that morning.
They'd make up, move on.
Right. Roger was arrested and charged with the murder of his wife.
I had a feeling it might go that way.
He repeatedly insisted he had nothing to do with the murder.
In fact, he actually passed a polygraph test. And they really didn't have any evidence.
Well, I was going to say, what is he even arrested based off of?
It was entirely circumstantial.
The fact that he was with her when she was last seen, that they had been in an argument, that he had left the scene and just like went to sleep at home.
Like none of that looked good for him, for sure.
But there were some who said after his arrest that Roger had confessed to the murder.
Oh, okay. According to Annie's father, William Hayes, Roger had at one point confessed to Annie's uncle.
He said, he told my brother he did it.
he said he got down on his knees in front of a window crying he said he just blacked out i asked him if he killed her and he said i don't know but i'm afraid i did well that makes sense i mean he was so it sounds like he was blackout drunk and that he was like oh my god did what if i did yeah what if i have no idea i mean they're arresting him i'm sure you know what happens when people get arrested and held in those rooms forever exactly so the deadmans had only been married for a couple of years at this point and annie had come into the marriage with three children from a previous marriage, which is even
more sad. Like, she's a mother of four.
She's of four kids, yeah.
And I guess Roger had always been kind of like ambivalent to those children.
Oh. The family suspected, at least in recent months, that the marriage hadn't been a very happy one.
Doesn't sound like it.
And according to Annie's mother Lucille, Roger had substance abuse issues and his drug use was starting to affect their marriage.
Okay. According to Lucille, she told a reporter, quote, he doped.
He took yellow jackets all the time.
But according to the family, right before she was murdered, Annie told them as soon as the kids were done with school for the year, she was going to leave Roger and move to Georgia.
Oh, wow. Now, between the confessions, the drug use, and Annie's plan to leave her husband, the Hayes family felt certain that Roger was the killer.
And I don't blame them.
I mean, yeah. At all.
It has all the makings of Yeah, honestly, it kind of fits perfectly.
It's like, yeah. Yeah.
If I was her family member, I would probably think the same thing based on everything she'd been going through.
And it turned out that the jury shared that opinion as well.
A few months later, Roger Dedman was convicted of murdering his wife and sentenced to 18 years in the Union County prison farm where he was going to spend his days working on a chain gang.
And Roger's lawyer, Jonathan McKinnon, told the press, one way or another, I'll seek a new trial.
trial. I want more evidence on this thing, but I will seek a new trial for Dedmond.
I mean, it's good that he wanted more evidence, you know, one way or another.
And something's telling me he didn't do this.
Something's up. So, Roger Dedmond's story probably would have just ended there.
It just would have ended in imprisonment, but then something happened that kind of changed the tide a little bit.
Okay. A strange phone call came into the desk of Gaffney Ledger reporter Bill Gibbons on the the afternoon of february 8th 1968 so the following year sure um but like obviously not that far away so the man had asked to speak to quote that little fellow who drives the falcon okay so gibbons assumed the caller was talking about um the spartanburg herald writer jim holland because he once owned a falcon so he was like that's the only person i know that owns a falcon And he told the caller Holland was an end, but he said, can I take a message?
And the man insisted it wasn't something he could leave a message about.
But then he gave Gibbons instructions.
He said, take out three sheets of paper.
I've got three stories for you.
So he was like, OK, he's not going to pass up a potential scoop here.
So he's like, give it to me.
Sounds like a scene in the Zodiac movie.
Oh, it literally does not sound real how this happened.
So Gibbons listens and he's like, OK, tell me what you got to say.
and the guy on the other line gives him three names followed by a set of directions to locations in and around gaffney oh no the first was nancy christine east smith street then nancy carol paris chatham avenue and finally annie deadmond march 1967 jerusalem road oh no the names were unfamiliar to gibbons except he said that last name annie deadmond he was like i recognize that one because the case just happened it was pretty recent so before hanging up the caller said something very ominous he just said wait a second he said what and he said you take the sheriff with you don't go by yourself
oh i just gotta chill down my whole spine yep oh what the fuck and he's like what the fuck he was now gibbons was the managing editor of the gaffney ledger and he got tips all the time but he rarely went out to investigate stories himself he was the the managing editor.
Yeah. He said, I had just returned from lunch, and our reporter and photographer were out, or I probably would have sent them.
In fact, Gibbons had assumed the call was probably a prank phone call, but he figured it was worth checking into.
They're not going to let it just float out there.
Yeah, you never know.
So he went himself over to the sheriff's office to let Sheriff Julian Wright know about what happened.
I'm glad he actually did go to the sheriff.
He was smart about it.
Not wanting to waste too much time on it, if it did turn out to be a prank the two of them just were like let's just head to the closest location see if anything's there if it's not then we'll let it go so they went to chatham road because it was nearby and according to the caller whatever they were supposed to find there could easily be seen from the bridge on ford road oh no so they pulled up to the bridge and both men got out of the car and they start looking around and gibbon said we thought we'd look right in the water and see a dog or a goat we thought it might be some trick or even a liquor deal
but when they took a closer look at the brush below them they saw the nude body of 21 20 year old nancy carol paris laying on the sand bank below her head was partially submerged in the water oh man he said we knew then my god this is real imagine being sent there and that's what you find and you look over which Which also I'm like, humans are wild.
Because I understand what he's saying when he's like, oh, I thought we were just going to find a dog or a goat in the water.
And I'm like, the fact that your brain is like, well, humans suck so much that some guy probably pulled a prank and threw a dog in the water below is wild.
Our species needs to do a lot of work.
yeah but to look over that thinking this is a prank and seeing a actual nude dead body laying there the amount of things that must have been going through their heads i can't imagine so gibbons and the sheriff made their way down the embankment to confirm that they weren't seeing like a mannequin or something it's never a mannequin and the body showed almost no signs of decomposition which led them to believe she hadn't been there more than a day right and was was most likely murdered a short time before being left there there was a deep purple mark around her neck and her back was covered with what appeared
to be recent cigarette burns oh god all over her back oh that's horrible yeah Paris had been reported missing by her husband a day earlier after she had left the house to walk their dog and never came back oh yeah 20 years old 20 years old left the house, said bye to her husband with her dog, and never came back.
Also, they find this Nancy, and now they have another location to go to.
Yeah, they have two other locations.
Two, but at that point, they had already found Annie?
Annie Dedman, yeah.
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now no longer thinking that this was a prank sheriff wright left two deputies at the scene on ford road to take care of that and he and gibbons traveled to the first location on east smith street that the caller had described um so what he had said was go out to the it's so like specific which also is like how do you know these directions so well to get there because he He told Gibbons, go out to the junior high school to the chain gang road, go towards the chain gang to the second bridge, take a dirt road to the right, go to the top of the hill, turn left, come to the edge of the woods and stop.
Like that is so many specific and Gibbons and Wright were now accompanied by several others who had formed a search party and followed these instructions.
And after walking about three quarters of a mile into the woods, they began combing through the brush and that's when they heard one of the deputies shout oh god here she is oh which is so chilling it is oh god here she is they had discovered the nude body of 14 year old nancy christine tina reinhardt 14 yep oh my 14 years old what the fuck dude tina had been reported missing by her parents 10 years 10 days earlier when she left her grandmother's house one afternoon and just didn't come home and no one had not seen any sign of her since then although she had been missing for 10 days and this is even
more upsetting she appeared to have only been dead for about five or six days which means she was held alive for a few days yep and like nancy paris tina had deep purple bruising around her neck and had been burned with cigarettes as well she also had bruises on on her hands legs and ankles and she had been sexually assaulted oh no now and she's 14 so strangely she was found nude but she was wearing a wedding ring and what appeared to be a diamond ring what but she was in seventh grade yeah and was not engaged or married a wedding ring and a diamond ring like two like a like an engagement ring
and yeah in a wedding ring what the fuck Yeah.
The area looked pretty undisturbed, which led the sheriff to think that the body had been placed here after Tina had been murdered, which the same was true for the Ford Bridge, the Ford Road scene.
Sure. Now, while the sheriff and the rest of the search party kept combing through the woods, they got another call into the sheriff's office and that was answered by Deputy Vernon Wright.
right this caller said did gibbons get the sheriff to go look for the bodies and when he so when deputy right was like yep he did the caller hung up before he could ask anything else yeah this is so crazy it's so spooky it is it is spooky and tragic and creepy so after leaving the scene in the woods behind the junior high school the search team went to the third location on Jerusalem Road.
Now, they expected to find a third body just because of what they had just come across on the first two.
But when they got to the scene, there was no body, nothing to be found.
There wasn't any evidence of Annie Dedman's, like none of it.
And upon further investigation, the sheriff learned that just as the caller had indicated, Annie Dedman had been murdered several months earlier.
And in March of the previous year, like we know, Her husband, Roger Dedman, had been arrested and eventually convicted of the crime and was currently serving an 18 -year prison sentence.
Right. So they were like, what the fuck is this about?
Yeah, why did he send us here?
Yeah, like, why would you send us here?
And I'm like, is somebody else there?
And way later in 2009, Gibbons told a reporter, I don't think he would have called me except he said that another man was serving time, this caller.
And he said he was concerned about that.
What? so the caller said to him something about like there's another person serving time for this crime and you wonder if that's like a compassion thing or if that's a i don't want them getting quote i think it's i don't want them getting credit that's what i think it is he tried to play it off a little bit like it was i'm sure like it was i don't want someone taking having to serve time for my crime it was 100 a credit thing i bet he as we'll see he really wants people to ask him and Didn't know that he did it.
Oh, I hate that. So the caller wasn't the only one who was concerned about Roger Dedmond serving time for a crime he possibly didn't commit.
Roger's mother, Sybil Dedmond, believed the new cases all proved that her son didn't kill his wife.
I would say so. She said, when news of the murders and the bodies broke, she said, I know my son and he never killed her.
But whilst Dedman's family was convinced the new details were clear evidence of Rogers' innocence, the sheriff's office was less convinced.
It was the sheriff's department's refusal to accept the caller's word that prompted him to call Gibbons back a few days later.
Really? By then, the FBI and state police had been called in to help the Gaffney police because this was a lot for them.
And they'd put a trace on all incoming calls into Gibbons' desk.
I was waiting to hear if they...
if I didn't know if they were able to do that at that point I kind of thought so they were but it was back when a trace would be like hold them on the line for a long period of time so we can get the proper trace like you see the guy at the phone company kind of deal it takes forever now when the man did call again Gibbons had been instructed like I said to keep him on the phone as long as possible so when he finally called Gibbons did his best to keep him talking and i guess he told the man this thing has to stop and then he suggested that they get together in person for a real conversation what of course
the caller was like fuck no he said no and he said they're gonna have to kill me like the dog i am creepy it's like dogs don't do this so yeah no they definitely don't it's kind of giving um like son of sam vibe it is a little bit like it's weird now he may not have wanted to meet with gibbons in person but this guy was nonetheless insistent that roger deadman had been wrongfully convicted okay made sure to say that he said we're going to have to do something about that man down there serving my sentence i killed mrs deadman i did i did so like i did miss miss paris and reinhardt i killed them
all with them begging me not to do it oh now as if to offer proof of this the caller described the scenario scenario under which he had picked up annie deadmond that included very very specific aspects of her outfit he said she had been wearing um she had a blue pocketbook with a snap with a top snap and it was lipstick an aluminum comb a picture of a girl sitting on the back of a white falcon car keys a watch which had no band and she said she had the band broken when she and her husband and had a scuffle.
So he knew all of this.
Interesting. To a T and he was like, and that guy, like, well, how would I know this?
Right. Yeah. So while Gibbons and members of the FBI tried to lure the caller out of hiding, Sheriff Wright and Dick McKinnon from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division Sled.
They launched an investigation into the murders hoping that they might find someone who had seen something that could lead them to this guy.
I don't think they were able to get a proper trace off of that.
he couldn't keep him on the on the line um so the sheriff's department was flooded with calls from locals at this point but they weren't getting any solid leads uh then a few days after the bodies were discovered a local man approached mckinnon with a tip the man said he had been parked out by the bridge on ford road on the night of february 7th and he says while he was there he saw a tall skinny white man dumping something large over the side of the bridge oh no he said and then he got in his car and he sped away.
And he said, when it happened, I thought, and again, I'm like, is this like something that happens in the Carolinas a lot?
He said, when it happened, I thought he was tossing a dog over the side.
I didn't know it was a body until I heard the news.
Why does everybody think this?
Guys, are people just tossing dogs in the water over there?
Like, what is going, I would never think that.
That wouldn't be my first thought.
The only thing I can think of is like farm dogs.
Dogs? Like farm dogs?
Sometimes people, like, shoot their dogs when they're, like, older or dying or something?
I don't know. I don't know.
They're just, like, tossing them over bridges?
I don't know. Actually, don't.
Don't tell me if this is a thing.
Yeah, don't tell us anything about that.
But it makes me wonder, like, what the fuck?
Yeah. But, of course, your first question with this guy is like, that's very interesting.
Thank you. Why didn't you come forward with this sooner?
Right. That was my first question.
You throw something large at night into a bridge and then speed away.
And then speed away.
way and you didn't think to say anything and the man said yeah about that i'm married and i was on that bridge with another woman motherfucker i didn't want that back to go back to my wife but i eventually did decide that this was more important and that i needed to come forward wow your moral compass is so amazing boy yikes now other than the witness who'd potentially seen the suspect dump this body over the side of the bridge investigators had very little evidence and almost no leads to work with.
But the killer did place one final call to Bill Gibbons, this time to his home.
Fuck. Which I'd be freaking the fuck out.
I'd be like, no thanks.
Gibbons tried again to convince this man to give himself up.
He was like, you need help.
Like, let's get you help.
And the man refused.
He said, I'm psycho.
The only reason I'm telling you this is to get the other boy out.
He's serving my time.
Like, okay, then go turn yourself in.
Like, clearly that's what you're looking for.
but then before hanging up for the last time the caller added one thing you can tell people i'm not gonna pick up any woman that's fat and ugly i'll be in but if they don't catch me there will be more deaths oh so he's a real prince definitely you know this is a prince of a guy uh yeah like literally that is verbatim what he said that's gross and it's like okay that's a gross way to to be okay i mean it's a gross way to be when you're like a murderer yeah it's pretty gross now the discovery of tina and nancy's bodies had set the town on edge on edge oh my god i can't even imagine yeah and this was at a time
like this was at a a scary time in the south especially with like integration was already straining black and white relations across the south so this was already like this was strained like people were just tension was already at an all -time high Yeah.
And a Gaffney pastor, Clyde Thomas, told a reporter in 2009, there's an indelible memory in my mind of going to the bus stop and parents being there with shotguns in their hands.
Jesus. Yeah. He said people were afraid to go to school, afraid to go shopping.
They kept their children locked in the house.
And Bill Gibbons also remembered the fear that seemed to just, I mean, permeate Gaffney at the time.
He recalled how law enforcement enforcement officials became concerned that terrified residents would start shooting at shadows.
Probably. Everybody was just on edge.
Right. Now, exacerbating the tensions and all the frustrations that everyone was feeling was the absolute, complete lack of evidence and any answers into the deaths of Tina and Nancy.
Both had been raped and murdered.
That much was clear.
And asphyxiation looked like it was the cause of death for both.
But beyond that, the coroner could offer really no insights except they looked like they had been like tortured yeah and given the marks around their neck he speculated both might have died by hanging hanging but he couldn't say for sure he said a hanging death would explain why the cord marks were around their necks now on February 13th just one week after the other bodies had been discovered the killer struck again and this one's so sad i mean they're all sad but this one's 15 year old yeah this time he kidnapped 15 year old opal diane buxon opal had been on her way to school with her sister
gracie and run a short distance ahead of her when gracie saw a white man in a sedan pull off the side of the road jump out of the car and grab opal and throw her in the trunk of the car in broad daylight like Like literally, her sister ran up ahead of her and got plucked off the side of the road and thrown in a trunk.
What the fuck? To be that brazen?
That's the thing. And that poor Gracie?
Poor. The PTSD. That she must have been living with after that?
Gracie told police she noticed the car pull out ahead of Opal and found it strange when it backed up with the trunk open.
and she said he looked at me and i ran back towards the house when she looked back they were all gone along with and they weren't even far from their house it sounds like she ran back to her house holy shit now to law enforcement it's basically what you were just saying the abduction of opal wasn't just an escalation in the killer's behavior because it it occurred in broad daylight in front of somebody else like it also represented a change in victim profile Yeah well sort of.
Opal was black. Oh okay.
The other victims were all white.
This is a very different kind of crime because usually we've seen this in other things.
Yeah. Usually killers have a very specific victim profile or it's a lot of times killers won't kill outside of their own race.
Yeah that is interesting.
That's a like like serial killers.
Yes. I'm talking about but But so this is interesting that we've, that he's gone from, I mean, he stays with younger women, but he's gone from like 20 to 14.
Yeah. And white and black women.
Right. Like that's, that makes it a lot harder to understand and a lot harder to like follow who he is or what he could be doing.
And Sheriff Wright told reporters at a press briefing that same day, I'm afraid for her life, talking about Opal.
we're using every available man in this he and he was trying to assure everybody but he said but we have nothing definite yet and while gracie had gotten a look at the man who she described as a slender white man with brown hair which by the way that other guy tall skinny white man a tall skinny white guy but unfortunately that description matched a lot of young men in the area and it was really vague like gracie did the best she could it under one of the worst circumstances i could possibly ever fathom in my brain and she's turning to run around or turning around to run excuse me back she's panicking
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Now, a search team started combing Gaffney immediately for Opal, but there were few clues and no signs of Opal or that blue Ford anywhere.
And near the bus stop where Opal and Gracie had been waiting, Opal's father, which like breaks my heart, found his daughter's school books and a a shoe and her scarf was discovered along a nearby road.
So they used that scarf to indicate maybe the direction the car went because it was further up, but otherwise they really didn't have anything.
And at the same time, local law enforcement's fears about widespread panic started coming to fruition.
On the morning of the abduction, a local gun shop owner sold three pistols just a short time after opening for the day, two of them to young women.
And when the the clerk asked one of the women what kind of pistol she was looking for.
She said, I don't know.
I don't know anything about guns.
Just give me something that will shoot.
Wow. And when he was asked about the local rush of residents going to buy guns and take other protective measures, Sheriff Wright said, if they're good people, let them have something to protect themselves and their families with.
I'm not against any man doing that.
I'm afraid, though, of guns getting into the hands of the wrong people.
Now, the very real public fears were furthered by what appeared to have been a large number of prank phone calls received by women around the time.
And these prank phone calls would warn random women, you better watch out tonight, I'm coming to get you.
Oh God, those poor women.
Can you imagine? These young men are getting pigs to fucking gather.
What is wrong with you?
Get a hobby, get a grip.
Like, God damn. Local women weren't the only ones getting the prank phone calls either because following Opal, a 15 -year -old's kidnapping, snapping the sheriff's department and the gaffney ledger were plagued by a series of calls from various young men confessing to be the killer what the fuck is going on that's like you should be able to trace every one of those and you should be able to charge them with a crime and put them in jail for yeah you should can't you get charged with like um disrupting disrupting an investigation like do you something you should get a big consequence yeah absolutely
you should like like you need to you need to be taught a lesson there needs to be a real lesson learned there because what the fuck is wrong with you someone's child got ripped off the side of the road on the way to school in front of her young sister and you're like lol thrown in a trunk and you're like this will be so funny to say it's me like it's like you might as well be a murderer yeah you're disgusting yep like what the fuck is wrong with you and in charlotte north carolina police arrested 17 year old you are far too fucking young or old sir Robert Wood after he placed a series of calls
to Gaffney authorities claiming there's going to be another killing tonight 17 years old seriously come on bye put them away honestly you're a fucking menace like what is wrong with you that's a menace and in response to the chaos and fear that was happening everywhere authorities increased increased the number of officers working on the case to more than 100 from local agencies.
Holy shit. And it was like the state office of the FBI, you know, the...
what was it, the...
it's called SLED. Oh, yep, SLED.
But like all the different agencies just increased all the officers.
The next day, there was still no sign of Opal.
And as the search teams grew larger and larger, they came to include a significant number of residents.
And this was both black and white people, which was they were coming these people coming together to be like we're all in trouble here like we're all we're all gonna be prey here how's that that's what it took it took a 15 year old black child being fucking ripped off the street but among the searchers was professional golfer henry transu and his friend forest ranger lester skinner the two men had volunteered to drive around the back roads in transu's car looking for any signs of opal or her kidnapper because they thought the the killer had left bodies in remote areas, so maybe he'll do the same
this time. So, like, it's worth a shot.
Yeah. So they were driving around a rural road out by the Cowpens Battleground Memorial and they spotted something interesting.
They spotted what looked to be a man in a blue sedan parked in the field with his trunk open.
What? So the man in the field watched Transu's car as it drove past slowly, which is something out of a horror movie.
Then he got in the driver's seat and pulled out of the field.
So not wanting to lose who they believed to be the suspect, they followed the car, keeping enough of a distance to not scare him any further.
But Transu followed the other car for a few miles and then the car pulled into the driveway of a local house and got out and immediately started talking to another man standing in the front yard. So they were like, okay.
So they were like, we need to get this guy, but like who knows if he's armed and dangerous we don't know yeah so skinner pulled out a pencil and paper and jotted down the license plate nice nice and then they sped off in the direction of town to let the sheriff know okay so transu and skinner along with the sheriff and a deputy went back to that house right away where they'd seen the car they knocked on the door because the car wasn't there they're thinking like this could be the killer this could be him and then an elderly man opens the door and they're like hello sir like do what's going on and he
was like so they asked him about it like what was that about and he's like yeah a guy in a blue sedan came into my driveway a little earlier he doesn't live here though he just stopped briefly and asked me if i sold beagle dogs i had a feeling he just pulled into the nearest driveway and was like oh i'm talking to this guy yeah i just know i had a feeling and when the homeowner said no the guy I just got back in his car and left. That's okay.
They have the license plate.
They're disappointed, but they returned to the field too where they first spotted the car, hoping there was anything that they could find.
They didn't find anything.
They didn't find Opal either.
But just in case, FBI agents did stake out the house all night, but the car never returned.
I'm not really sure why they staked out the house, to be quite honest. I don't really know why he'd go back there.
I don't know why he would go back there.
But you know what? It sounds like they were trying everything.
They were trying. They were.
And they were, it wasn't like they were like taking two people away from.
No. Like there was plenty of people in every area.
So I'm not sure what the motive was that.
But again, I'm not in the FBI. So I'm sure there was a smart motive behind this.
But it didn't pan out.
Nobody came back. Maybe in case he came back to threaten that guy or something.
Yeah, to be like, did you talk to somebody?
No, that's a good point, actually.
So back at the sheriff's office, deputies ran that plate number on the car, followed by Transu and Skinner, and learned it belonged to 31 year old leroy martin he was a mill worker and father of three are you fucking kidding me yep who'd been born and raised in gaffney lived there his whole life most everyone in town knew martin what the fuck and thought he was fine which i have questions about this because it was like everybody thought he was fine like nobody had a problem with him but then you hear about a little rap sheet that he has and i'm like were you okay with i mean I mean, everybody also thinks
that people are just tossing dogs over the side of bridges.
That's true. So I don't know about Caffney back then.
Like, I don't know.
But about a decade earlier, Martin was arrested and served a jail sentence for assault and battery with intent to kill after he raped a teenage girl behind his mother's house.
Oh. Yup. And everyone thought he was fine?
Because he was released from prison and he appeared, according to everyone else, to have gotten his life together.
He got married. He had three children.
He'd worked as some time for, as a driver for the Red Top Cab Company.
I don't know if that sounds.
Oh, you said Red Top Cab Company?
I said Red Top Cab Company.
And then he found work at the local mall.
Mm -hmm. He was literally working.
Girl. While some members of law enforcement felt confident he was definitely the right suspect.
I do. do just as many were skeptical because they said this is someone they've known their whole lives he can't be a psychopath he raped a teenager he's kind of already proven he is you guys okay again he raped a teenager and tried to kill her and you guys think he's all right well they're like no he couldn't be a psychopath what i think if you're capable of that you are a psychopath What was that?
In fact, one sheriff's deputy said, oh, it's not him.
I know Leroy Martin and his whole family.
He's got a wife and three kids and works regular.
Leroy Martin ain't the strangler.
You're wasting your time.
Baby, BTK had a whole family, too.
Baby, he's a rapist. So did John Wayne Gacy.
He's a rapist. And he attempted to kill a teenage girl.
He's a rapist. That's the other thing.
He's a pedophile because he's a rapist of a teenage girl.
He's a predator. He's a rapist and an attempted murderer of a young girl.
And now there's young girls coming up raped and murdered.
Are we not seeing the connection?
Hello? Literally, hello?
Is the tact in the room with us?
So still believing Opal Buxton could be alive.
Because at this point they're hoping beyond hope.
Officers didn't want to tip off Martin and risk the girl's life, which is a good move.
So surveillance teams monitored him constantly hoping they might lead them to Opal.
Yes. And Gaffney -Ledger reporter Tommy Martin was a member of one of the unofficial surveillance teams. And he remembered the first time he saw Martin.
And he said he emerged from his house in the middle of the night to wash the car.
Oh, that's not good.
Which Tommy said he believed was to get rid of any evidence.
Do you ever, like, do something and you're like, wow, I probably look suspicious as fuck right now.
Like, I don't know.
Like, I'm trying to think of an example and I can't.
But, like, you think of somebody going out to fucking wash their car in the middle of the night.
you don't think that's like anybody's going to be looking at you I take my trash out and I'm like is anybody looking at me you're like there's nobody in here well that's when our family dog died like a billion years ago and we had it was pouring rain and we were able to like you know bury him in our woods yeah to give him like a little memorial and it was pouring rain when it happened and me and my dad had to go out in the woods and dig a dig a hole with a wheelbarrow with a giant load in it covered by a blanket.
And my neighbors were right there.
And my dad trying to make me laugh because it was so horrible and we'd all been sobbing.
He said, do you think, this is my dad's humor.
It's Gallo's humor.
He said we needed it at that moment because we were so sad.
But he said, do you think we should just keep your mom indoors for a few days and really make the neighbors question what we did out here?
And I hilarious that's hilarious but he was literally like do you think they're gonna be like worried about what we're doing definitely being like yes i think they are like but even like something innocuous too like you're like i can't think of an example but i'll do something and i'm like oh man like did anybody see that yeah like that was weird for me to do and it's not even a weird thing yeah like like you said taking your trash out sometimes at a weird hour looking at you i'm like everybody's wondering what i'm doing they're not no nobody is i don't give a shit what people take their trash
out no but going out in the middle of the night and washing my car I would be looking around being like my neighbors definitely think a hundred percent like that would be and let me tell you something if you're my neighbor and you're washing your car in the middle of the night I think you did too I'm watching yeah I'm always watching I'm always watching I'm always watching I love watching I do too just my street who doesn't love watching you know and I hope my neighbors love watching so everybody just loves watching we're all the neighborhood hood watch yeah that's the best together so while surveillance
teams watched leroy martin around the clock sheriff's deputies went to the mill to speak with the management where he worked although no one at the mill had anything like truly negative to say about martin they were just like he's fine other than the fact that he's raped and murdered oh no excuse me raped and attempted to murder a teenage girl yeah just gonna keep reminding everybody about they were like when we work work with him there's nothing like weird about him you know like we can't point to anything that's like oh yeah he gets mad anger like easily or anything they're like yeah he's fine
to work with like we don't have anything bad that's crazy but when deputies looked over his time cards they discovered that martin had wildly been punched out during the times when the girls were believed to have been murdered imagine that i was like my goodness however while this was definitely suspicious it was just more circumstantial evidence we're We're not getting any smoking gun here.
If they wanted to make a strong case against him and learn the location of Opal, where she was, they'd need something more compelling here.
From the moment Opal was abducted on her way to the bus stop, law enforcement officials had been cautiously optimistic that they were going to find her alive.
Unfortunately, those hopes were dashed on the morning of February 16th when a group searching the woods in Gaffney, so they were searchers found Opal's nude body covered over by some brush like the other victims Opal had been choked and she had been raped but the cause of death in this case was attributed to the stab wound to her chest she had also been stabbed once in the leg oh god years later Bill Gibbons our our guy Bill Gibbons would speculate that the killer had stabbed Opal because she fought back yeah I was wondering that and otherwise he said she would have been strangled like the the others
but she was a fighter yeah they all were but like she clearly fought so much that he had to resort to that yeah so with opal confirmed dead now unfortunately law enforcement had no reason to proceed with caution any longer so sheriff wright returned to the mill found leroy martin in the bathroom where he was arrested and taken into custody because they're like fuck that get in now and while they were leading him away to the deputy's car a young woman who worked an administrative job grabbed one of the deputies she worked in an administrative job at the mill so she grabbed him and said the day
before he had tried to convince her to go for a ride with him and she almost accepted but something seemed off and she turned him down what the fuck and she was like fuck because she was like i felt something weird like i didn't go because i felt something about him losing her mind as he was taken away in cuffs she must i can't even i would never not not trust my gut i'd be like sorry my gut says you're you suck so she has elite guts like that is that's elite guts and honestly trust your gut every time i don't trust my gut i regret it yep and i'm like an overthinker so i can constantly second
guess my gut oh yeah don't do it sometimes my guts are hella elite do you remember that one situation i really disliked to this person that we both knew and i could not explain why i had no reason like visible you know tangible reason and i was just like nope we need to stay away from this person and honey was i correct correct your guts can be very elite no it was crazy like you're very you um you have like you're an intuition so you have this intuition that's like yeah like this and we're witchy i bet this gal had a good intuition and she's witchy so years later when a reporter asked Bill Gibbons
why he thought there had been a gap between Martin's first murder and the other three.
Gibbons explained he attended the Deadman trial and that had a lot to do with him doing the other murders.
He was upset he said with the miscarriage of justice and that was the crowning blow.
He turned from his good side to his bad side.
I think he just you know I think he was mad that he didn't get credit.
I think so too. Well you know it does it feels like he couldn't tolerate someone else else in this case roger deadman getting credit for his work that's what it feels like to me definitely why else would he have contacted he wasn't contacting the local news to be like it wasn't like the weepy voice killer like stop i can't be i can't i need help he went and killed more people exactly like i mean the weepy voice killer did too but you know what i'm saying it was a different vibe it definitely is hey weirdos you know ash and i have covered some seriously dark tales about romance gone really wrong
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So they were like, this is fucking tenuous.
And so the first thing Martin said to them as he got, as they left the parking lot was, you've got the wrong man.
I didn't kill anybody.
So immediately he's like, I didn't do it.
So they're like, fuck, we don't have a lot to go on anyways.
So like, this is not good.
So Wright knew if we're going to keep him with us, we need a confession.
Yes. So based on the phone calls the killer made to Bill Gibbons right in the deputies knew this is a killer who wants attention for the murders and is mad that somebody else got the attention and he just couldn't abide by his crimes being ignored that was clear to them yep so instead of driving back to the courthouse Wright started driving in the opposite direction and so Martin notices that they're heading in the wrong direction and he's like where the fuck are we going and the sheriff and the deputy just didn't say a fucking fucking word, wouldn't look at him, wouldn't say nothing, wouldn't speak to
him. So he's just like, where are we going?
Like, why are we doing, where are you taking me?
And they're just like, and it's just getting more and more tense, more and more awkward. And Martin couldn't bear it because they weren't asking him questions.
He wanted questions.
Yeah. He wanted to be able to say things.
Right. He wanted them to challenge him saying I didn't do it.
And he wasn't getting saying anything and he had no idea where they were taking him and they wouldn't say anything so he started babbling and just filling the space with things because he just couldn't handle that they weren't like putting attention on him that they were totally ignoring him and the further they drove the harder it became for him to tolerate that neither of them were speaking to him and that they weren't asking him questions about the murders so like many people martin probably assumed that that his arrest would immediately be followed by a barrage of interrogation questions or people
challenging you, saying you didn't have anything to do.
He's thinking like he's going to be on having a show in here.
He's going to get to keep talking about it, keep playing with them.
But they seemed entirely uninterested in him and entirely uninterested in whether he had killed someone or not.
They didn't give a shit.
They didn't even say anything to him.
They're making it seem that way.
And eventually he just couldn't take it anymore.
And Leroy Martin started talking about the murders he'd committed.
What? They wore this motherfucker down by just driving in complete silence.
Just all over. They gambled on this.
They just gambled to see if it would work.
Wow. And they literally gambled on his narcissism.
Yeah. And it paid off.
If you gamble on someone's narcissism nine out of ten times, I bet it'll win off.
You probably would.
Because from the backseat of the police car, he fully confessed to killing all four women.
Fully confessed. Strangling the first three with his belt, he said, and stabbing Opal Buxton.
What the fuck? Confessed to the entire thing.
Damn. That was, like, the wildest gamble that paid off.
Absolutely it was. And I imagine, just like, Like, it must have been so satisfying to hear this little narcissistic prick in the back seat losing his goddamn mind that they weren't paying attention to him.
And weren't like fawning over him or getting upset or anything and that they're just like, do -do -do -do -do.
Not even paying attention.
So that afternoon, Martin was charged with the murder of Opal Buxton and placed in a jail cell at the courthouse.
And a couple days later, on February 18th, he was charged with the murders of Nancy Paris and Tina Reinhart.
In his statement to the press, Sheriff Wright praised the large number of law enforcement officials from various agencies, and he praised all the local residents who'd worked cooperatively to quickly bring the killer to justice.
He said, I'd just like to say we've had just marvelous help in this thing from all law enforcement agencies, and the public has just been wonderful.
I love that. You don't hear about that often.
No, you don't. you really don't so the townspeople were able to relax a little in the wake of the arrest but the sheriff's office had their work cut out for them now gathering as much evidence as they could against martin so going over bill gibbons's original reports of his phone calls with the killer now believed to be leroy martin they came across several statements the caller made about where the reporter and law enforcement officials could find various objects belonging to the victims he'd intended this as proof that he was responsible for the murders but remember as these calls were coming
in he was getting them like often and he's like writing this stuff down and then sometimes they're not chasing all these leads down because they didn't even know if this was a prank yeah sometimes because they were getting so many pranks afterwards right that there was hard to tell and yeah you can't distinguish so yeah so the caller had specific and now that they knew this was the real guy, the caller had specifically mentioned an area on Mill Gin Road just off Highway 11 near where Transu and Skinner had seen Martin's car.
And the caller had said they would find several items there.
And when they searched the area, deputies found two Ford automobile keys, a small hairbrush, and three books of Harris Teeter stamps, which all belonged to Annie Deadman.
Whoa. So with this new evidence, Martin was also charged with the murder of Annie Dedman.
Now they could connect.
And her husband was let out?
So we'll get to that.
So by the end of the month, investigators had also located several pieces of clothing and personal items belonging to Opal Buxton, including a coat with her initials written on the label.
And they found that hidden in an abandoned well about a half mile from where her body was discovered.
According to press reports, quote, many items of clothing were torn or cut.
Wow. Around this time, other evidence had been collected around the other crime scenes, including the body of Nancy Paris's poodle, who she had left the house to walk that night.
Killed the dog? So he killed a poodle.
Yeah, he's an absolute piece of shit.
He killed her dog and her.
That's so sad. So I wonder if that guy did.
Wait, no. Because it, never mind.
It ended up being him.
Yeah, but so now you can see why.
So just a few days after his arrest, the evidence started piling up on Leroy Martin.
and he made what a prison official described as a, quote, half -hearted suicide attempt.
Apparently he pulled one of the slats out from under his prison bunk and just scratched at his wrists with it.
An officer discovered it immediately, and they had a doctor look at him, and the official said, but Martin required literally no treatment.
Okay. So the half -hearted suicide attempt, quote, unquote, in the circumstances of the crimes led to Martin being put on a 30 -day hold at the state hospital in Columbia, South Carolina.
Which is probably what he was looking for, because I'm sure it's better than a holding cell.
But there he was extensively evaluated by psychiatrists.
So during the evaluations, additional details of the crimes came to light.
Additionally, and this is rough, everybody, in addition to sexually assaulting his victims, he had revisited the bodies of Tina Reinhart and Nancy Paris following the murders, and he further violated their bodies.
So he is a necrophiliac as well.
Oh. Oh. Also, he seemed to revel in the ways that his crimes affected the people of Gaffney, specifically the victim's families.
Yeah, I bet. Tommy Martin recalled, Tina's sister told me Leroy Martin had come by and stayed for a lengthy period of time at her funeral.
So he stayed at these funerals and watched the families grieve them.
That's a whole other level of just disturbed.
and it's like so he is a necrophiliac he's going back to these bodies and he's raping these dead bodies he is raping these dead bodies and then after he's doing this going and showing up to funerals knowing what he has done your mind can't even like truly comprehend how fucked up that like it's so fucked up but it's on a level that you can't even it's indescribable Comprehend.
You can't even, like, label the kind of disgusting that is.
No. Like, you really can't.
I can't come up with a good adjective for it.
And you're a writer, so that's saying a lot.
There you go. And thesaurus .com will not even help us with this.
No. Now, despite the bizarre and very disturbing nature of his crimes and his complete and total lack of remorse, he had no remorse, psychiatrists at the state hospital determined that Leroy Martin was not insane and was completely competent to stand trial isn't that such a wild thought that somebody that murders people defiles their dead bodies and then goes sits with their family afterwards is legally sane yeah like i believe it it's just a fucking wild sentiment yeah because he was able to he knew it was wrong now in may 1968 a grand jury indicted martin for the murders of annie dedmond tina Nina Reinhart,
Nancy Paris, and Opal Buxton.
Despite the indictment, the judge granted a continuance in the case until September due in large part to the fact that the constitutionality of South Carolina's capital punishment laws had been challenged and was currently under review.
So it makes sense for a continuance because they want to make sure that irons itself out.
Everything goes out correctly, yeah.
On September 16th, 1968, Martin went to trial for the murder of Opal Buxton.
He waived his right to a jury trial because, as he told the judge, I don't believe I could get a fair trial anywhere in South Carolina.
And when he was indicted for the murder, he pleaded not guilty.
But as the trial was about to begin, Martin's lawyers, H .R.
Swink and C .D. Padgett, H .R.
and C .D. Swink and Padgett, they asked the judge for a conference.
And during that conference, they explained that their client wished to change his plea to guilty.
Judge Morrison asked Martin a series of questions to determine whether he was making this change with his own free will.
And once he was satisfied that it was his choice, he accepted the plea.
And when asked why he had murdered Opal Buxton, Martin explained, it was like he was standing on the side of a hill and watching himself in a valley.
He knew what he was doing, but he just couldn't make himself stop.
I don't think it went like that.
So even the prosecution acknowledged that although Martin does no right from wrong, the prosecutor's office was of the opinion that Martin acted under irresistible impulses.
Okay. Because he's a murderer.
He's a horrible, horrible, vicious murderer.
Later that day, Leroy Martin was sentenced to two consecutive life terms for the murders of Opal Buxton and Annie Dedmond.
Additional life sentences for the murders of Tina Reinhart and Nancy Paris followed in the next few months.
Now, Leroy Martin's explanation for his crimes has always been that he had what Bill Gibbons described as a split personality.
And this thing comes over him and he can't control it.
It was, he explained, his violent side who had raped and murdered the four young women in Gaffney.
While his good side felt such a great deal of remorse for his crimes.
I don't buy that. And he used to say that his good side was the one that didn't want that guy to sit in prison for him.
No. No, because also if he did have a split personality, isn't that some form of insanity?
I would think so. Right?
Like when the psychologists have said something about that?
Yeah. I think it's whether you can understand right from wrong, basically.
And he clearly can.
Yeah, and he clearly can.
He's almost trying to make it sound like he has multiple personality disorder.
Absolutely, he is trying to say that for sure.
But they have found no evidence to that fact.
So I think this is a cop -out.
When he was calling, he was saying, no, I can't meet you in person.
because they're going to have to shoot me like the dog i am so he knew what he did was wrong he didn't want to meet anybody he just wanted to go and get the attention for it it goes beyond irresistible impulses when he's like he's murdering people he's raping them and then he's going to sit with their families like that's not it that's not an irresistible impulse that's just you just you're doing what you do right and again whether this was true or not the claim did get some sympathy enough to place him in the mental illness wing of the central correctional Institute following his sentence in May 1968
I feel like that was the goal for him he prefer like maybe he expected this to be preferable than being among the general population was it not but he regretted this because among other things security was tighter on that ward so movement was heavily restricted and he complained quote there was no sunlight in the cell yeah you know where there's also no sunlight when you're dead when you're dead yeah and you did that to three different women four different for women.
Exactly. Excuse me.
And in December 1969, Martin was moved into general population where he remained for three years.
I almost wish that he didn't.
He should never have gotten sunlight again.
Well, and he remained there for three years because a little after 5 p .m. on May 31st, 1972, Leroy Martin got into a fight with a fellow inmate, Kenneth Rumsey.
Rumsey stabbed Martin in the chest with a shiv just below his heart and killed him instantly.
Damn. That earned, That earned that inmate an additional 20 years on his already lengthy sentence.
But five years later, that inmate was also found dead in his prison cell after having hanged himself with his own pants.
So, quite a cycle. Now, on February 28, 1968, because you're like, what could possibly be happening here?
Everybody's gone and dead.
Roger Dedman was released from the Union County Prison Farm after Leroy Martin confessed to the murder of Annie Dedman.
And how many years had he served?
He was convicted and served 10 months in prison for a crime he didn't commit.
That's a long time.
And this crime he didn't commit was based on false testimony provided by Union County Sheriff Harold Lamb and two of his deputies, which was corroborated in court by several members of other law enforcement agencies in South Carolina.
Oh, no, I thought you guys were doing good.
Yeah. Upon his release, Deadman reclaimed custody of his son and found work as an electrician in North Carolina.
when asked about the wrongful conviction deadman told a reporter he wasn't bitter about what had happened he said the justice system makes mistakes just like everybody else thank goodness they don't make too many wow which is like a very mature way of looking at that like i was like what the fuck i wonder i mean 10 people people say there's more drugs inside a prison than there are in the the streets but you wonder if he was like able somehow to clean up his act i mean maybe it shook him up yeah but the memory of the gaffney strangler and the four murdered women have absolutely haunted the small
town of gaffney since they occurred more than 50 years ago and according to author mark jones quote the ultimate legacy are the stories that permeate through south carolina today the bridge is a spot that people go to there's always these stories that there's screams of girls that can be heard those types of things in small towns take a long long time to disappear yeah it's like the end of a horror novel and I did look it up in one place that is that locals and other people refer to sometimes as Leroy's Bridge off highway 329 don't call it Leroy's Bridge it's said to be a place where people will claim
to hear the screams moans and cries of young women that's really sad and chain gang road is also more of the same reports oh that makes me sad because that means like there's I know I want them to like I mean it's like a residual haunting hopefully so it's just like it has to be just rancid there so wow I hate that they call it Leroy's Bridge stop doing that guys I don't think like I don't want to like indict all of the people locals there like I that's what I've read on certain things so like whoever's doing that you probably shouldn't but like yeah that's what I mean yeah I don't I just don't
want anybody to be like you said that everybody did yeah no no I promise I didn't say that don't take that away yes wow what a case i can't believe we'd never heard of that one before yeah it's so sad it is so sad and it's such young women that is a that's a chilling spooky and this yeah the story of opal just like breaks my heart just walking with her sister to school runs up ahead of her and is snatched right off the fucking road in the broad daylight like in the morning of her sister and thrown into a trunk you think that like that had to have been like 7 8 a .m yeah like when does school start
you know what I mean yeah the fuck yeah oh it's so scary chilling yeah having kids must be the most terrifying thing on the planet it is it absolutely responsibility my god that's why we all age like a presidency like very quickly like I am I'm in a constant state of of anxiety yeah me too and i don't even have children yeah fuck yeah well keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that i didn't even give you the choice to keep listening i just told you keep listening i was like damn usually i say we hope you keep listening but this week you have to keep listening bye Thank
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