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this is more man i forget what i was gonna say i had something to say at the beginning of this one i was actually gonna sing it and it was like a song about recording but then i forgot it you know know what happens yeah sorry it's windy out and maybe we're not outside but maybe the wind just blew it right out of your brain i didn't know where you were going i don't know it's windy out and you know we're not outside i was like like where are we going right over there you're like oh we lost her oh there she goes up the wind took her but then i was like ah wind see blowing yeah even though we're
not outside no but it was thundering earlier i know only very quickly it It just gave a little rumble rumble.
I didn't check the radar so I don't know.
I don't think anything's coming in.
Don't say that. Well, I'd like to say that today because I'd like to have a fire.
I want thunder. Don't you want to drink mock?
Thunder. Oh, rain forecasted to start in 31 minutes.
Oh, okay. So maybe we're getting a thunderstorm, everybody.
It's a little scatter.
Not a lot. So we can still do our fire and have little, I got stuff to to make um mocktail pina coladas oh i love that so fancy fansoir fansoir exactly i love that so much i love it well today we're going to be doing um part one of a two patta a two patta a two patta because there's just a lot of information you know there's a lot of stuff going on all right all right but when i tell you just um it really hits you over it just like boom gets you right right from the get -go.
It's like a hillbilly moment.
Hit you over the head with a pineapple.
There you go. Everybody remembers that, right?
From the Amanda show?
It's time for a hillbilly moment.
And she'd be like, I'm going to hit you with a pineapple.
Yeah. It was hilarious.
I love that show. I want Amanda Bynes to do well.
She's doing pretty well.
I hope she thrives.
I really do. I think she passed her nail test. Good for her.
I think she's going to open up her own space.
I'm starting to see, because like she has like tik tok and everything and she comes across my feed yeah and every once in a while i'm like i feel like i can see like a little bit of the light come back when she talks about stuff like that that she's like excited about and i'm like i just she's one of those people that you're just like you're rooting for i'm rooting for you it's like lindsey lohan she looks fucking incredible lately she looks amazing like in in a lightness way too like a light is coming like a light is like back at her that was there and then like turned off for a little while
while and now it's back and she's here now yeah and we're getting a freaky friday part too i love it with jamie lee curtis it's all it's all happening again i'm like let's go back to that time let's do this i know it let's have amanda bines thriving let's have lindsey lohan right back at it again go back to the early aughts but make it non -toxic exactly i don't want any let them thrive and just be who they is i agree let's do so let's all root for them you know why not nobody's rooting for anyone anymore let's root for people let's do it i love reading for people i'm reading for you what's i'm
writing for you thanks so today we're going to be talking about peter manuel who is known as the beast of birkenshaw that sounds terrifying yes uh he's terrifying and he is one of scotland's worst serial killers oh shit um yeah and he's he's He's one of Scotland's, he's known as one of Scotland's like very first like known worst serial killers too.
Okay. So we're going to begin, this happened way back.
We're going to start in like the 50s here.
19 or 18? 19, 50. Thank you for making me clarify.
No problem. Could have been either with me.
I was going to say, with you, you never know.
You never know. So on the evening of December 30th, 1955, 17 -year -old Anne Neelans and her sister Alice.
So Anne and Alice. oh cute i love alliteration right they went to a dance at the glenly social club in east kilbride which was a neighborhood in east lenarkshire i looked up how to pronounce that um i love the idea of a dance at a social club in the 50s yeah sign me right the fuck doesn't that just feel yes so wholesome i give me a poodle skirt or yeah you know or else or else yeah or you know like Like, or bust. Poodle skirts are bust. Dances at social clubs in the 50s are bust. And as we go, like, obviously, this is going to turn out very tragic, just so you know ahead of time.
It's morbid. But the, it's morbid.
But like the lead up to this, you're just like, oh, like, Anne was just like having a quintessential 50s gal experience.
You know what I mean?
Like young gal just like going out to a social club to dance, meeting a young soldier on leave kind of thing like it's one of those okay so while she was there um neilands and neilands met andrew mernon who was a young soldier on leave uh he was um and they they hit it off immediately they just really got along and after spending the whole night at the dance together the two of them made a date to see each other again a few days later on january 2nd Now, their plan was that they were going to meet together at the Capel Rig Farm bus terminal.
And so the problem here, so they were all excited.
They leave, blah, everything's fine.
The problem here, though, was that Andrew Mernon had been drinking heavily that night.
He was very drunk. And later he claimed that he actually had no recollection of making this date with Ann.
Wow. He said, like, it's not that I wouldn't have. I just didn't remember that I had done it.
which it's like oh that's that just makes sense yeah it's just like oh man so ann however was unaware that andrew had no recollection of making this date so ann went to the bus stop a little after 6 p .m the day they had planned to meet up and waited for him to show up uh he hadn't shown up by 6 30 p .m so she walked down the road a little bit and she went and visited some family friends the simpsons she was like whatever i'll just go hang out with them yeah let me do something So they chatted.
The Simpsons, you know, chatted with Anne for about 15, 20 minutes.
And then she caught the 645 p .m. bus back to East Kilbride.
She was very frustrated that Andrew had stood her up.
She assumed had stood her up.
Yeah. And, you know, she was a little annoyed.
Rightfully so. And actually, later, when the bus driver was questioned by police, the bus driver said that she remembered seeing Anne on the bus.
And she specifically remembered that she seemed very irritated and put out.
So she was just like, fuck this guy.
Now, Anne got off the bus at the Willow Cafe, which was a popular hangout for teenagers and kill bride.
Like they would all just kind of like hang out, have a cup of coffee kind of thing.
And when the bus driver passed the stop about a half hour later, she said she could have sworn she saw Anne in the crowd outside the cafe.
She just recognized her.
But that was the last time anyone would ever be able to report seeing Anne Neelan's alive.
Now, at the time, Anne was 17 years old.
She was out of high school.
She was working a full -time job.
Like she was really, she had a whole life.
So she did live at home with her parents, but her parents were trying to be like kind of respectful of her autonomy at this point.
Because she was a good kid.
Right. Like she was responsible.
She had it together.
She earned their trust. She had a full -time job.
They believed, you know, they could give her a little bit of leeway.
I don't need to be on top of you.
I don't need to know where you are at every given moment.
I'm trying to let you be like an independent woman here.
It must be so hard. Exactly.
Oh, I can't imagine.
But that's why when Anne didn't return home that night, they thought maybe she just stayed with a friend.
Maybe she was, and she would be back the following day.
Yeah. She was reliable.
Yeah. But she didn't come back the next day.
And this is when they got worried and they reported her missing to the police.
Now that afternoon, as the local police were taking the report from Anne's parents, George Gribbon, who was a laborer from East Kilbride, He was just having a leisure moment.
He was just taking a nice little walk around the Calderwood golf course, which seems like it would be a lovely place to just take a quiet walk on a morning, you know, like it's quiet.
Supposed to be. No one's there yet.
You're not going to run into many people.
Yeah. And he said he was just, you know, just having a nice casual day.
And this is the beginning of his day.
Oh, no. And he approaches some trees that are near the fifth tee, and it was just like a collection of trees.
and George said he looked over and he saw what he immediately identified as a person laying face down at the base of one of the trees.
And he said at first he was like, oh, my God, did someone, like, trip and fall or did someone, like, drink too much and come and pass out in front of a tree?
So he moves in closer to kind of inspect things a little bit and that's when he realized that it was definitely a person lying on the ground.
But he said it was very clear that something bad had happened here.
it was a young woman he could clearly tell and he said immediately he knew that she had been dragged into the wooded area by her ankles oh god he said her skirt was pulled above her knees and her coat she was still wearing was disarranged really rumpled like clearly all of it had shifted while she was being dragged yeah he said he couldn't identify the girl but he said part of the reason that he couldn't identify the girl was how badly she had been beaten in the face and head oh um he said there was no doubt in his mind that she was dead.
He didn't even need to check for a pulse.
He said there was no way.
I can't imagine ever finding somebody like that.
I always think of the people who find these crime scenes and find these murder victims. And it's like, how do you get past that?
I don't think you do.
I think that's got to be something that just sits with you.
you yeah yeah like I this is your and that's why I just made sure you knew like he was starting his day yeah he's just starting his day with a nice walk to kind of clear his head start the day off right yeah that's and this is what you never think you're going to be walking in a golf course and come across a beaten to death teenager 17 year old girl dumped in front of a tree it's just tragic so he immediately ran back to the work site and told the other contractors what he had found but assuming that you know he was playing a prank they were like maybe he's just trying to like start us all off
like you know in a crazy way this morning a wild way to start your day wild and kooky over here so they were just like shut up george and they just went back to work oh sounds to me like george might be a little bit of a prankster yeah considering they didn't even come to look but he was frustrated so george ran to the nearest house he was like fuck you guys if you won't listen to me so he ran to the nearest house and he called the police from that house OK, so good for George.
I was like, when did the police come in?
Yeah. By the time he made it back to where the body was laying, some of the other laborers had decided to come check out what he had said, and they had gathered around the body just as the first officers were arriving.
Oh, man. So the area had to be cordoned off, obviously.
And investigators started assessing the entire scene.
It became pretty obvious to them like right away what had happened because footprints were leading from the golf course to where the body was laying.
And it indicated that Anne had actually been chased by whoever had killed her.
Oh, I fucking hate that so much. And then she was dragged into the woods where she had been sexually assaulted.
Oh, no. Her shoes, other personal items were just scattered all around her.
One shoe was actually embedded in the wall of a nearby ditch. Like she had kicked somehow and it had stuck into the wall.
Oh, my God. And the other shoe was laying about 70 feet from her.
So it obviously came off while she was dragged or in the struggle.
Or when she was running.
That's so, this is like a horror movie.
It literally is a horror movie.
Like he's a, this person is a horrible person.
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A few feet away at the base of a tree, the pathologist Andrew Allison identified what he believed to be where the assault had started.
He said the ground was absolutely saturated with blood and allison described that there were also human debris found there fragments of bone hair and tissue what yes so i'll tell you how she how he killed her and it's awful so given the state that the body was found in her clothes had been torn disarranged the investigating officers Officers naturally immediately assumed that Ann had been sexually assaulted.
It was confirmed later during her autopsy because that was later that day.
But her attacker had also stolen her underwear before leaving.
That's such a fucking creepy thing to do.
Yeah. Her cause of death was noted as repeated blows to the head with a blunt object.
They said it was so vicious and so many hits to her skull that quote the vault of her head had been destroyed that means the skull cap that means the thing containing your brain oh had been absolutely destroyed that's a lot and that's where the fragments of bone and hair and tissue were happening he had literally caved her head in oh my god he's a vicious when they say the beast of berkinshaw they are not kidding he's a fucking beast monster he's a monster and we're gonna get to it don't worry but somebody should have stopped him a long time before this happened i hate when that happens he had
every single indication that he was going to escalate to something yeah it's really frustrating there were also cuts and scrapes on ann's hands that the pathologist thought could have been from the barbed wire on the golf course fence like she might have climbed over to try to to get away oh god now police officers fanned out across the neighborhood and they canvassed door to door but there was really only one neighbor who reported hearing any kind of commotion 36 hours earlier no one else really saw or heard anything suspicious and unfortunately those who knew ann were really not a lot of help
either according to her sister alice and it's not because they intended to not be a lot of help yeah what were they gonna say like they don't have anything thing she did it's not like ann was doing things that they could have been like well she was hanging around this creek yeah she wasn't doing anything she was just living her life so ann or her sister alice said ann was a pretty girl with lots of boyfriends she went dancing about once a week but ann did not tell me the name of the boy she was going to meet and i didn't inquire oh because again they didn't really have a reason to yeah they weren't
worried about her right And it's because she was a good, responsible gal.
Jean Simpsons, who was one of the people who she was visiting, one of the family friends, and it was the night she died that she visited her, she also said when she came into the house, she was very excited and nervous.
She didn't talk much, but I can remember her saying she had been in the house over New Year and that she had missed the 15 bus.
But otherwise, neither Jean Simpson nor her husband been knew where ann was headed after she left their house that night right because she just kind of was like all right i'm off i'm gonna head out you know yeah and all we know is she stopped at the willow cafe now within 24 hours investigators had found andrew mernon the young soldier who she was supposed to meet that night and mernon said yeah i was like super drunk the night that we met i didn't remember making plans with her he felt bad that he had unintentionally stood her up right Right, when I'm sure knowing what happened feels worse.
But he offered up an alibi, and so he was quickly ruled out because they couldn't confirm the alibi.
Many of the other boys and men who hung out at the Willow Cafe were also questioned.
A lot of locals were questioned, especially locals with any history of sexual offenses.
But they all had alibis, and they were all crossed off the list. They could not find a lead anywhere.
then on january 4th a patrol officer stopped by a work site near the crime scene and he stopped there because he wanted to question a gang of day laborers working for the gas board um so he asked them all like have you know do you remember that day do you remember seeing anything do you remember hearing anything do you know anybody who has been acting strange they all denied knowing anything about the murder of anne nielens but one man peter manuel appeared to have fresh scratches on his face.
Interesting. That were very noticeable.
And Manuel claimed that he got the scratches when he was in a fight in Glasgow on New Year's Eve.
But the officer was like, huh.
They look fresher than that.
I don't know about that.
And he was just like, I don't know.
Those look like pretty deep, pretty like brutal scratches.
And to this officer, they just thought that seems like somebody who was fighting for their life.
Yeah. So later, this officer couldn't put this away, so he went to the home of Peter Manuel, and Peter Manuel lived with his father.
And he talked to both of them, and Peter Manuel's father confirmed his alibi for the night of the murder.
But the officer said, I don't buy it.
I just don't buy it.
Something just rang.
Gut feeling. Yeah, and he was like, I'm not letting it go.
So he went back, and he was able to secure a warrant to go back to that house because he said those scratches they something is matching here and that alibi doesn't make sense and the only person that can confirm it is his own father who he lives with we have a bit of a bias going on yeah like something's a little off here and he said something about this guy just doesn't sit right with me so they returned to the house on january 12th with a warrant and with this warrant they were able to remove a bunch of items a bunch of clothing from the house.
And they also brought Peter to the local precinct to question him.
And by that time, a foreman at the work site that Peter Manuel had been the previous week, they found what they described as a sawn off pickaxe handle buried beneath one of the temporary buildings on the site.
The fuck? And they turned it over to police because they said maybe this is a potential weapon.
Yeah. Now detectives questioned Peter for more than four hours, but he stuck to his story and And his father further said, nope, I'm verifying his alibi.
Which I'm like, do you feel good about that?
Also, despite their best efforts to connect Peter to Ann Neelan's, they just couldn't connect him.
There wasn't a connection that they could find.
And they couldn't put him at the crime scene like definitively.
So they had to let him go.
They didn't have anything to hold him with.
They were like that close.
Now, without any evidence or new leads, and now with this whole thing drying up, the Neyland's case just went cold and the detectives shifted their attention to other stuff going on.
Now, investigators in Lanarkshire continued to investigate, even though it was like going cold, they didn't like shelve it, you know, they were still doing their best. They continued investigating in Neyland's murder, but they weren't getting anything and they really little progress was being made.
And to make matters worse, in September of that year, another horrific crime was committed that ended up kind of distracting them from the Neyland's case.
On September 9th, 1956, William Watt packed up his fishing gear and his dog and left for a nice solo fishing trip in the highlands.
And when he left, he was leaving his wife, Marion, who I believe was 40 at the time, and their 16 -year -old daughter, Vivian, at home in Burnside, Lanarkshire.
year uh so because her husband was going to be gone mary and watt invited her sister margaret brown to stay with her and vivian while william was away on the morning of september 17th 1956 the watts housekeeper helen coleson she came to work a little before 9 a .m and she went to open the back door and it was locked which was strange because she had worked for this the watts watts family for many years.
So she knew them very well.
And they had a very fixed arrangement that was if Vivian's mom was still asleep when she left for school in the morning, Vivian would leave the back door unlocked for Helen, the housekeeper.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And she's like, so she never didn't do that.
And like, and then she was like, oh no, what, are they sick?
Like, did something happen?
So Helen walked around the house, the outside of the house, looking in, knocking on the windows.
And she went along to the side of the house and And she found that a glass panel on the front door had been smashed in.
Oh, that's terrifying.
So immediately she's like, fuck.
Like, what is this?
So she flags down a passing mailman named Peter Collier, who immediately helped.
And he put his hand through the glass and unlocked the door.
Damn. Which I was like, Peter, to the rescue.
This is good, Peter.
Good Peter. So once inside, Peter went to the first, Peter Collier.
PC. Yeah, PC, not PM.
He went to the first bedroom he found, and he came across a horrific sight.
Oh, no. He found the bodies of Marian and Margaret, the sisters, the mom and aunt, on the bed.
And again, an alliteration, Marian and Margaret.
Yeah, you're right.
They were very obviously dead.
He said in the bed were two bodies, and the bedclothes were covered with blood.
Oh, man. they were laying side by side in the bed it looked like they were sleeping like on their sides oh man and each had a very large gunshot to their head what the fuck yeah so peter collier immediately called the police from the house phone and while he was waiting for them to come they kind of told him like you know don't leave but they were also like if you see anything else like you know tell us yeah so he continued looking around he knew some by helen telling him that there was a daughter right should be in the house so she was like you need to find her so he continued looking and he
found vivian in her bed with a similar wound to that of her mother and aunt she was still breathing what she was shot in the head and you'll find out she had various other injuries to her and her story is very it's chilling oh god so she was still alive she was still breathing but before emergency services came she passed away oh i thought you were gonna say she lived yeah um from their initial evaluation of the whole scene detectives thought that the killer probably broke into the house in the middle of the night by smashing through that window and unlocking the front door like reaching in that's
fucking yeah so scary and the fact that the dad just happened to be away you have to wonder like was the killer watching the house i think he was watching oh i hate that that's even more horrifying it's so scary to think think back and to like to think that family was just going about their business and somebody was watching and waiting for howling i hate that it's so chilling it's like a horror movie now they believed once inside the killer moved quietly to the first bedroom they found they found marion and margaret sharing the bed both women had been shot to the right side of their heads as
though they were asleep when the whole thing happened but margaret had also been shot shot in the face just below the right eye oh wow I wonder if she like woke up if she had been the second person killed yeah they they're not sure because there were powder burns on the skin of both women as well so that would indicate that the barrel of the gun was right pretty close to their head or against their skin and later the coroner confirmed that both head wounds would have been immediately fatal so it's likely that either woman knew what was happening or felt what what was happening or woke up yeah
maybe he just shot twice but the investigators also noted that the night clothes of both women were definitely like rumpled and rearranged likely after death though um there were no signs of sexual assault here but marion's dress had been hiked up to expose her lower half and margaret's pajama bottoms had been pulled down so he's doing this as a shame yeah like let me humiliate their dead bodies which like you have to be so fucking far fucked to be like messing with dead bodies that you have just killed yeah so from the looks of what happened they believe that the gunshots must have woken vivian right
um she was obviously sleeping the other room but she was still in bed with the covers pulled up to her chin when they they found her.
But the room was in disarray.
They said there was obvious signs of a struggle here.
There were clothes, other items strewn around the room.
The furniture was knocked over like a fight had happened.
And the killer had stubbed out his cigarettes on the carpet.
Yeah. So just the fact that he hung out and smoked for a while?
Yeah, and stubbed them out on the carpet.
Vivian had also been shot in the head at close range.
but she had additional injuries including bruising to her face and her pubic area oh god her arm had also been wrenched very violently behind her back her bra and underwear had been torn away from her body but she had not been sexually assaulted that they could find huh in the source um by mcleod that will link in the show notes um they say there was a possibility that she had been tormented and tortured by her attacker before being shot yeah so they believe she was like tortured and that he was like stubbing out the cigarettes as he was doing this.
It seems like there was like a sexual element to that torture if her pubic area was bruised.
It feels like there was always a sexual element and it's somewhere or another.
Yeah. Unfortunately.
She wasn't sexually assaulted by a criminal definition but she pretty much was.
She probably was. Now the press came to the scene almost before the investigators did.
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Vivian's friend and next -door neighbor, Deanna, wasted no time telling the press how they had been together the previous evening, and she had just narrowly avoided being the fourth victim.
And she said, as I was leaving her at the front door, she jokingly suggested that I spent the night with her.
Her mother and aunt were still up at the time.
And it's like, yeah, that's really scary.
Yeah, that is scary.
So for the most part, the neighbors really spoke highly of this entire family.
They called them very nice people, very friendly.
One neighbor told a reporter, I'd spoken to the girl once or twice.
She was very attractive and kind.
Yeah. And a good person.
Yeah. Now, while detectives were combing over the scene at the Watt house, a neighbor approached them to report that a few doors down at another house, it seemed like they had also been broken into while the occupants were away, though.
But they said they saw something happen.
Can you imagine coming back to your house to see that and then to know what happens a few doors down?
And it looked like the intruder had gotten into the house by smashing the glass panel on the front door.
Oh my God, I'm not going to look at my glass panels the same.
A patrol officer was sent to check this out and found a scene that was eerily similar to the Watt house, except no one had died.
But did they do the whole cigarette on the carpet?
Someone had broken in.
They had trashed the house.
This time they had dumped canned soup and canned spaghetti all over the floor.
Oh, motherfucker. Yeah.
Like, fuck that. Who does that?
And they had tracked mud all throughout the house, like seemingly on purpose.
I'm so pissed right now.
Imagine coming home to this.
I would be through the roof.
And then there were a bunch of cigarettes stamped out in the carpets.
It's like a thing. and it's like does he know these people that he's attacking and doing this to because that's such a big disrespect it almost feels personal he has no respect for anyone he's just as we'll see he's been an asshole since he was little fantastic but also one of the beds looked like it had been slept in recently but the homeowners had been away oh yeah i would i'd be like well we're selling the house yeah i'd burn the house down i think i'd be like bye can't look at this ever again oh god Oh my God.
But investigators initially assumed that the motive for the break -in was robbery.
But once the owners had been contacted and came back, they confirmed that the only items that were missing were two gold rings and they weren't worth a lot of money.
And they said the more expensive items are right out in the open and this person obviously spent considerable time in this house.
Like possibly even slept here.
And they didn't take them, so.
So they were just doing this to be a fucking creep?
Yeah, so what they thought was, did the killer of the Watt family stay in this house while these people were gone to watch the Watt family and wait for the right moment to strike?
Oh, that's on another fucking level, dude.
Because it was within eyeshot.
Like, they could see the Watt family house, and they would be able to see their comings and goings.
What the fuck? That's disturbing.
Yes. and to like even just like the the break -in it's like how do you ever gain a sense of privacy back oh i always wonder that like it must be so hard to just how do you go to sleep How vulnerable you must feel.
Like you hear about stories like this and you're like oh i'm like afraid to go to sleep tonight you live something like that and then you just have to like yeah you gotta get you gotta get through this right you gotta get through this you gotta make it gotta make it gotta make it through Like, that's how do you – like, you – it would take therapy, I feel.
Definitely. Like, it would take therapy to be able to, like, work through that.
Definitely. I don't know how I would work through that.
God. Now, this case received a ton of widespread coverage.
And it set off, like, a pretty sizable panic among young women and girls in Lanarkshire, especially.
I'd be freaking out.
So there was intense pressure to make progress in this case, which is not always great.
Yeah. It can work in our favor a little bit.
But also against it.
You get that West Memphis 3 style How confident are you in this case?
11 Yikes So You don't want that So investigators turned to the most likely suspect In most murder cases And started looking at the dad The husband William Watt So they looked at his alibi They looked at his background I was literally on a body of water And he's like of course I was on a solo fishing trip And that looks so sketchy So neighbors and And around, you know, like residents in Lanarkshire spoke very highly of this family, like I said.
But they couldn't say something nice about the remaining member of the Watt family.
While Marion and Vivian were considered very nice people.
And again, I don't think this is William Watt's fault.
William Watt was criticized for being absent on a fishing trip on the Lord's Day.
That was where his downfall went.
What an asshole, huh?
And it's like, guys, that doesn't make him a murderer.
The fact that people are sanctimonious even when somebody's entire fucking family is brutally murdered and their home is broken into.
Yeah. And they were criticizing him because he was on this solo fishing trip.
So he had to be tracked down by the press at the lodge that he was staying at to be informed that his entire family had been murdered in his house.
By the press. That's how he found out.
That's horrific. And in the weeks after this, William Watt would temporarily become the prime suspect.
because multiple witnesses picked him out of a lineup as well and he was like i live here yeah like what so he was held at barlany prison but after several weeks he was released because the case against him was so questionable there was nothing and there was nothing there they had nothing that showed that he would murder his entire family like it just and they were looking at this other house down the street and they were like so you're telling me that william watt the The father and husband booped down a couple of doors.
That's the other thing.
Stayed at this house.
But, like, that doesn't even make sense.
Because he wasn't gone for that much time to be even doing that.
So, it's like, how do you explain that?
Was he a smoker? That's the thing.
And it's like, how do you explain that there was this, like, lookout?
Clearly, like, somebody staked out here.
And obviously, he wouldn't have needed to do that.
Yeah, he wouldn't need to.
So, it's like, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
So, none of it made sense.
like they knew they had to i understand why they went to him first yeah because absolutely 90 of the time that right usually statistics talk um but according to hector mcleod to some he was a pathetic victim of outrageous misfortune to others he was a scheming villain who was fortunate not to be convicted of murder okay now as in the case of the neil of anne neilin's murder when it came to alternative suspects peter manual's name was at the top of the detective's list hey imagine that Yeah, Manuel had a long criminal history of sexual assault, among other things, and many still believed that he
was absolutely the guy that was responsible for Anne Nealon's murder.
So he seemed a strong suspect here, too, because he got away with it.
But when they questioned Peter about his whereabouts, he presented another strong alibi, which his father said, yes, absolutely.
Daddy -o, we need to talk.
Yep. And they searched his home, and they couldn't find anything related to the Watt family murders.
So they said, okay, I don't know what to do.
Now, Peter Manuel's connection to the Watt case could have just ended then and there.
He had an alibi. They searched his home.
Nothing. No connection.
They got to let it go.
And they did. They said, all right.
But then. But he just couldn't help involve himself.
He could have been scot -free, but he couldn't let it go.
While William Watt was still being held at Barlini on suspicion of murder, Manuel, Peter Manuel, also became incarcerated at the time for another robbery.
And they were literally serving time next to each other.
Wait, what? So Peter Manuel was serving time next to William Watt, whose family he had brutally murdered.
Peter Manuel is responsible for murdering.
Holy shit. And so apparently Peter Manuel at that time wrote a letter to William Watts' lawyer saying that he knew that William Watt was innocent.
And he said, I know the man who did it.
According to Peter, a day before the murders, he said he'd been asked to participate in a robbery at the Watt home, but he declined the invitation.
Oh, what a good man.
He said, no thank you.
A day after the murders, the same man, he said, had come back to see him, and he said having been afflicted by the horrors he'd committed against the Watt women, he asked Manuel to get rid of the gun he'd used.
Okay. And Peter Emanuel said this was the same man who'd stolen the two rings from the home near the Watts' house.
Which is like, you seem to have a whole lot of information, huh?
That's the thing. He seemed to know a lot about these two crimes and a lot about these two crime scenes.
Sure did. And although he was skeptical about what Peter Emanuel had told him, the lawyer, William Watts' lawyer, felt it was, who knows, stranger shit has happened.
So he reported it to the authorities.
Nice. In time it became clear that Peter Manuel Was angling for an early release On this robbery conviction And was trying to use this supposed information As a bargaining chip Being like it was me but I know so much about it And it was true that he seemed to know A lot about the murders Including several little details That hadn't really been reported heavily in the press But they said it was possible Though that he had learned them From maybe some of the papers They weren't heavily reported on these details but he said they were like it's not impossible that he didn't see it somewhere okay and because after all
in addition to his criminal history peter manuel was known to police in lanarkshire as an actual like a fantastic liar oh man so they were understandably very skeptical about the report of some unnamed man being the real killer of the watt family yeah but still if what he said was true they didn't want to be remiss and not just like do their due diligence and follow it up which i'm glad they did work here yeah so several officers began investigating his claims and they started with a full -scale raid on peter's home that he shared with his father damn his dad's probably like can you get your shit
together and it's also like i bet you didn't see that coming definitely i think he thought it was gonna lead them further away yeah but not so much it brought Brought them closer.
Oh, no. He was definitely trying to get that early release by being like, look, over there.
It's some guy. Go find him.
But they were like, no, I think it's you, actually.
And in addition to William Watts, his lawyer, Peter seemed to speak openly with anyone about several crimes, including Anne Nealon's murder, where he wasn't saying he did it.
He speculated very heavily on the killer's identity.
In an interview, Peter told reporters, I wish to state emphatically that I did not kill any of these.
He also publicly demanded that Lanarkshire police go on record to state that investigators' recent actions, quote, had no bearing on any murder case whatsoever.
He wanted them to literally go on record and say, yeah, I know we're doing a full -on raid on Peter Manuel's home, but it has nothing to do with murder.
Not at all. Nothing, no. It's like that would be a lie, Peter.
Peter. Now, although some members of the police force suspected Peter Manuel of definitely being involved in the Neelins and Watt cases, it appears that at least at the time, he wasn't considered the most serious suspect.
Really? To them, they said, so McLeod wrote, to them, he was just a troublesome liar with an annoying tendency to claim he was involved in major crimes, because he had done this before.
Right, it was kind of his MO.
Yeah, and he would claim he was involved in in an outside way.
He never did the crime.
He just got rid of something for somebody.
Somebody wanted me to be involved, but I said no. No, I would never.
So it's likely for that reason that when William Watt was finally released and ruled out as a suspect, no one really decided to take a closer look at Peter Manuel.
And after Watt's release from custody, Peter Manuel kept writing these letters to law enforcement from prison, making increasingly fantastic claims about knowing some information about the recent murders.
But he wouldn't say what, and he was very cryptic, and it got more and more fantastical what he was claiming.
He's intense. Yeah.
And the more fantastic these claims became, the less serious anyone was taking him.
Because it's very like, hey, hey, look at me behavior.
Yeah, so he's like, no...
And everybody's like, why would he do that?
No one would do that if they actually did it.
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So, in November 1957, Peter Manuel was released from Barlinny and was back on the streets.
Oh, God. Now, when Anne Neelans was murdered, Peter Manuel's name immediately came to the minds of several of the detectives working on the case.
Yeah. But, like we said, it appeared he had that strong alibi.
There was really nothing connecting him to it.
And when the Mott murders occurred, his name was again up on that possible suspect list. But again, no evidence to really tie him to it.
But these suspicions were growing stronger and stronger after he had written that first letter to William Mott's lawyer claiming knowledge.
And the thing is, it's like when you look at that series of events, that journey that we just took, where you are your name comes up as a suspect over and over and over because you have a history of being fucked up right involved in sexual assaults and robberies and violent things that we will talk about you came up you were cleared you came up again you were cleared again and then you insert yourself into multiple homicide cases when you were cleared that it's so interesting That's so risky.
But it's like, I feel like as soon as they started looking away from him, it probably pissed him off.
He's like, wait a second.
Because he likes the attention, it sounds like.
He likes the attention but doesn't want to go in with both feet.
But as soon as they start looking away, he's like, wait a second.
Wait, but me. It's like he wants credit for it without the punishment.
He doesn't want the punishment, he wants the credit for doing it.
But it's just so wild and it makes you say, who the fuck is Peter Manuel?
who is this guy and why the fuck is he going out of his way to be associated with two horrific crimes yeah what the fuck tell me so peter manual was born in manhattan actually on march 13th 1927 he was born to samuel and bridgette manual scottish immigrants who'd come to the u .s to build a better life for their family i love that at the time they already had one child named james who they had to leave behind in Scotland.
And this was very common for this time.
They planned to send for him once they became established.
I've said this in many other cases before that would happen.
They would come over, try to build that better life, and send for the child later.
Unfortunately, the market crash of 1929 and the depression that followed really dashed any hope of that American dream or economic prosperity.
So by 1932, the family had to move back to Scotland.
and they settled in Motherwell, which is a village in Lanarkshire.
According to his brother James, Peter struggled to adjust to his new life in Scotland.
He had spent the first five years of his life as an only child also.
Oh, yeah, then he just has a brother also.
Now he has a brother.
And he was put into school with older, more advanced children, and he got teased a lot for being very different and being unfamiliar with Scottish culture and just being different, essentially.
The culture shock. So Peter's criminal career started very early.
Really? Age 10. Wow.
Age 10, he broke into a local chapel in Coventry where the family was living at the time, and he stole the church collection box.
What a little shit.
Which is fucked up for anybody to do, but a 10 -year -old?
Damn. Yeah. The fuck?
Now, around this time, he had also been acting out in school.
He was getting into trouble on a near regular basis.
Like you said, there were warning signs.
Yeah. And on one occasion, his teacher actually found an unspeakably filthy, is how she described it, drawing that one of the students had left on her desk, and they traced it right back to Peter.
Oh, no. So already that's, you got to look at that.
Yeah, that's freaky.
Especially with like how he's going to treat women later.
Now, when she confronted him about it, she said he showed no sign of remorse.
And that was a character trait that would go throughout his life.
Oh, that must have been freaky.
Immediately recognized that he showed zero remorse for his actions.
Right. Never. The break -ins and petty thefts kept on going.
They started and kept on going into his teen years, and he would get more and more brazen with each one that he committed.
Because he's getting away with it.
And when he would get caught, again, not one shred of remorse.
And he was really smart.
He did well in school, but he didn't really apply that whole thing to his criminal career because he was caught a lot.
He was caught a lot.
lot. He was punished a lot.
Eventually, the authorities grew really impatient and they were like, you know what, we've got to stop doing probation and verbal reprimands with this kid.
So they started giving him juvenile detention sentences.
They're like, he's not learning.
Yeah. So during one of those sentences, he was evaluated by a psychiatrist and they made the following observations.
The school report of the probationer is anything but satisfactory.
I bet. Out of school, he is said to be always in trouble.
At school, he is said to be cunning and puts on an air of innocence and is very deep.
He is deceitful, difficult to believe, and appears to be the ringleader on most occasions.
He has led younger boys into trouble and he consorts with those suspected of theft. I'm not at all surprised that the boy has appeared again at court.
There is no doubt whatever that the magistrates adopted a correct attitude and committed him to an approved school.
So they were like, he belongs here.
Although most of his offenses up to this point were nonviolent, during this period, they still included details at this moment that had implications that things could escalate.
When he was 14, Peter ran away from that school and broke into a nearby house and he stole the homeowner's purse.
The woman returned home unexpectedly and found that he was carrying an axe, like a large axe.
Oh, okay. He ran out, but he was there with a weapon.
That's It's so fucking scary.
And a year later, Peter ran away from school again and broke into a home with the intention of robbing it.
But when he discovered that the female homeowner, always a woman, the female homeowner was asleep in bed, he beat her in the head with a hammer.
And how old was he?
14. Or excuse me, at this point, 15.
He beat her in the head with a hammer.
She lived. she lived yeah the attack caused a concussion and hemorrhaging and resulted in hospitalization and when he was arrested he pleaded guilty to the charge and they said but would not or could not explain why he attacked her he just did it and he showed again no and again she's just sleeping in bed so it's not even like she was gonna catch him yeah he just beat her in the head with a hammer oh my god that should have been it uh yeah but just a few months after the hammer attack Peter escaped from the school again and went to the home of a school staff member.
The staff member wasn't at home, but his wife was.
Oh no. And Peter beat her in the head with a large piece of wood.
Once she was incapacitated, he dragged the woman to a wooded area behind the house, ripped off her clothes and intended to rape her.
Oh yeah. Yeah. But stopped at the last minute for unknown reasons.
Just stopped. What the fuck?
She suffered a broken nose and a broken shoulder bone and was deeply traumatized, obviously.
She was literally dragged out of her home.
But now he is at, there's one where he brings the axe.
Yeah. But he doesn't use it.
The second one is he beats a woman in the head with a hammer while she's asleep.
At 15. The third one, he beats a woman so she's incapacitated and then he ups, he's upping at one every time.
This time he drags her out to a wooded area and he attempts to rape her and stops at the last second.
And this kid is literally like 14, 15, 16.
And no one's sitting here going the next thing he's going to do is murder someone everybody.
Is actually rape or murder someone, yeah.
Now it was during this time that another odd behavior emerged in Peter, which could also be significant later in his life.
At some point in his mid -teens, the break -ins, which, like we said, were motivated by robbery, increased to violence against people, now he has apted again where he started causing massive amounts of damage and destruction to the homes themselves.
Like, we talked about how that one house was found with canned soup and spaghetti everywhere, mud everywhere, stubbing the cigarettes out.
That started early.
He would frequently rip up clothing and furniture, dump food on the floors, vandalize the walls, stub cigarettes out on the carpets.
This started in his teens.
What the fuck is he so angry about?
I don't know. And according to one newspaper report at the time, the damage left was of such enormity that words could not adequately describe it.
Wow. now peter's violent behavior continued to escalate as he grew older and in 1946 he was arrested when he hid in the walls of a home he was robbing while waiting for the police to leave oh they couldn't find him he was in the fucking wall how did he get in the walls no idea but he was caught trying to escape the scene later the there's too many stories where people are in the the walls yeah i love that dislike it greatly everyone stop having walls i think i don't know what do you what else do you do but while he was out on bail for that he committed three sexual assaults jesus and he was bail
yep on bail and he was quickly rearrested and sentenced finally to eight years in prison yeah what the fuck but it was during this time that peter had gained a reputation among law enforcement and other criminals for being a very big narcissist and a a compulsive pathological liar.
And a cuckoo nut man.
By most accounts, he would lie about literally everything and anything, including one frequently told story that he would use where he said his father had been executed in the electric chair.
No, he's here. His dad was like, no, I'm still here.
Just vouching for your ass.
But he also continued his habit of blaming others for his behavior and the consequences of those behaviors.
In this case, for example, he blamed his incarceration on William Muncy, who was the detective constable who arrested him at the scene of the robbery and he was like no i just caught you you did it like i did not make you do this i'm literally a detective constable so fuck off yeah peter's time in prison was also not he was not a model prisoner lots of rules infractions violations violent outbursts involving other inmates and he would receive all the inevitable punishments that followed but nothing worked and eventual Eventually, his continued outbursts and his unwillingness to be even slightly
easy to deal with got him sent to the prison psychiatrist, who included the following in his assessment of Peter.
His record from the age of 12 makes it clear he is an aggressive psychopath.
Oh! He has all the benefits of the juvenile court treatment and Borstal treatment, and it is doubtful whether even at the beginning of his sentence, any constructive work could have been done with him.
There is nothing I can suggest now.
now so this psychiatrist said he is an aggressive psychopath and i cannot do anything for him you cannot do anything for him and i don't think anyone ever could do anything for him and they were like let's let him out huh but the guard and the guards and the staff at the prison shared the psychiatrist's opinion they were like yeah no he's he's bad and one officer summed peter up as one of of the worst types we have at peterhead his police and prison record proves that it is utterly impossible to manage this man other than when he is locked up on his own so you know there are special cases where that just
fucking happens yeah and let me remind you he was just labeled a very dangerous aggressive psychopath with absolutely no hope of recovery but there was There was nothing that authorities could do to keep him locked up after his sentence.
And Peter was released from H .M.
prison Peter's head in October of 1952.
Damn, everybody must have been just shaking their heads.
Like, we're really letting this one go?
And that's where I'm going to end for part one.
You motherfucker. Because Peter Manuel continues.
He does not change.
He does not shift. He continues in a very horrific way, which we will get into in part two.
But don't you worry.
He will get caught in part two We love to hear that We are going to take a break for that one So I can do a little extra research On this one In the meantime we hope you keep listening And we hope you keep it weird But not to break into somebody's house And disrespect their entire home By throwing SpaghettiOs everywhere And putting out your lit cigarettes douchebag Asshole You're a piece of shit Peter Manuel Spaghetti on the carpet I would fucking lose it Thank you.
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