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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash.
And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid in the Morning.
I haven't done one of those in a while.
I know, I woke up this morning and I said, And oh, that just made me think of The Sopranos.
I woke up this morning.
It took everything in me not to go, I'm on myself again.
I feel like I did it.
No, I sure didn't. I got myself a coffee and a bagel.
Same. So a little different.
A little different.
I picked up my pack of lunch. See, it's more good in the morning.
It is. It's fucking unhinged.
It's going to be silly.
It's going to be silly for the intro.
It's true. And then it's not.
And then it's not going to be.
It's simply not silly goose behavior.
Well, actually, there is some fucking silly goose behavior in this case.
But before we get to it.
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Any other Biz Nasty?
That's my plug plug.
I like your plug plug.
I don't really have any.
No, my only other biz nasty is the total solar eclipse was fucking mind -changing.
I know. You got to see it like in the path of totality.
Yeah, it was in that path of totality and it was fucking gnarly.
The videos people took are like I didn't go outside and see it because I am lazy.
I'm just kidding. I had other things going on.
I had other things going on.
I had other things going on besides the solar eclipse, okay?
this celestial event not interested watched it on tiktok very very zillennial that was very zillennial um but yeah the fucking videos are insane and they don't even capture in in reality when you're looking at it i can't imagine it's the first one that we've ever seen and we were because john's like a huge space nerd he loves space all the things space this man is all about he's a space cadet he is a space cadet i love him so he he was so excited and he was hyping this up and i was like he had never seen one either but he was hyping it up just like because he was like i know it's gonna be amazing
yeah he was so excited and i was like i hope this lives up to your hype dude because like and did it like this is the whole universe that you're hyping up it like surpassed his we were both just like in awe it's cool that you got to experience that too like as like with your little fam yeah with the kids and everything it was because they were amazed like and that like grandma yeah grandma like nanny yeah just to clarify I have a grandma nanny uh but yeah they it was amazing yeah and then I saw all these people um got engaged during it and I saw one last night that the the photographer took the photo
as the diamond diamond ring phase happened.
That is the one that I was telling you about yesterday.
Because the diamond ring phase in the solar eclipse is like when it's opening again and you get this burst of light out of one side and it literally looks like a diamond ring.
That was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
I could not believe that.
We were talking about it yesterday.
Like I can't imagine how much stress was on that poor photographer.
And you could tell when she was setting up.
She was like, I'm so nervous.
I have to get this.
Imagine having Having that be your fucking proposal.
And having it be the fucking diamond ring phase of the solar eclipse.
You get one on your finger, and there's one in the galaxy.
In the galaxy. In the galaxy.
Like the moon was like, let me help you out.
And just like, damn, you're starting that shit off right.
Yeah. I love it. You're starting it off on a real high bar.
High bar. So it's like you've got a lot.
You've got to keep it.
It's only up from there.
Keep it at that level.
Crazy. no it was really cool if you ever get a chance to see a total solar eclipse in the path of totality which like I know it's hard to do because it happens like every fucking who knows one yeah I think the next one I'll be like 50 something there's like one in 2026 but you'd have to go to like Iceland I'll go which I was like tie me up I was like all right threaten me with a good time how far is Iceland like it's not a bad plane ride from where we are the fact that I genuinely was just about to say you could fly there you could fly there you could fly there in fact it's recommended you can fly
anywhere it's recommended you fly to this island what a wild question what a dumb ass thing to say instead of trying to traverse the sea i'm like their english channel there trying to cross the river with your oxen i think that instead you should fly i don't even have any the oxen so that sounds like a good idea also like flying is a real is a real gamble at this point don't you say that to me i'm literally getting on a flight on saturday no it's on a but you're on an airbus am i i need to look into hope you didn't check uh i told drew to bitch i know i know check that it's very complicated to
check had another fuck up like no they're like legitimate like some oh yeah there's a whole investigation I don't even think we should talk about it I don't even think we should talk about it make sure you're on an airbus I'm going to but I don't I'll fight you guys you think I would actually sit my ass on a Boeing I would look before I got on the plane I just might do it like five minutes before and be like well we gotta get a different flight at this very moment on an airbus hello husband we on on an airbus on Saturday, right?
Guys, I'm going to Disney.
I'm so excited for her.
You couldn't even say that.
I am. I'm excited for you.
Oh, I can't wait. I love Disney, like Holly Madison loves Disney at this point.
I understand the love.
And I love it for both of you.
I planned the sickest outfits.
I'm going to be hell if I got a tennis skirt.
See, you and and holly yeah oh i yeah i love her style like especially her disney style and i love marie from the aristocats so i have one outfit that's all marie themed i'm obsessed with this down to the socks wow fuck me up wow fuck me up i love that i even ordered um like pink shoes to go with my pink shirt you know what i'm for that yeah i'm out here living i i love i hyper fixate man yeah yeah i can't wait to have kids get fucking excited and bring them to disney and make them match me like hell yeah like for the short amount of time that i'll be able to do that i can't yeah you know what just
because i don't love the experience of disney yeah doesn't mean that i can't be like fuck yeah for other people you love disney love disney thank you and someday i hope i can tolerate disney you need to go to disney on the thing that i saw it on tiktok it was like world old golf day at disney and i think i think they need some more villainous rides for you yeah you know i think it's also just well you also don't like ride amusement you don't it's just not i think the whole it's tough for me to it's gonna be tough for me to enjoy it it's not your only again the only reason i enjoy it is because the kids
do yeah as long as they enjoy it i can take them anytime that matters i'm just i'll suffer through anything for them so that's true you will you know like literally anything so I'm like all right let's go that's really sweet yeah I can't wait so well that's fun let's fucking go I'm also going to Mario World so John was very jealous about that you guys were going somewhere else and I was like oh man like I want to go there and he goes you're going to Super Mario World so he was like fuck off you're going to Super Mario World it was like such a like it felt like a stepbrother's moment it was such
a little kid He was like, go to Mario World.
I'll get him a souvenir.
Yeah, there you go.
I'll get him like a Mario shirt.
Mario. Mario. All right, I think we've bantered enough.
Yeah, I think we're just like, I know this is going to be a tough one.
I don't know the details of this, but I know it's going to be a tough one.
Yeah, this is definitely a tough one.
Let me get my more serious hat on.
At the top of it, I will give you a trigger warning.
It has heavy, heavy themes of racism.
This entire case is rooted in racism.
and this is the case of um the murder of timothy coggins so we'll get into it let's go and i just want to say at the start i would have been timothy's friend like and you're gonna feel that way too he just seemed like i feel like he would have been all of our friend oh and he just seemed like a friendly like just someone you would want in your friend group and the fact that what what happened to him did just because people are disgusting like really pisses me off.
Yeah, absolutely. It's just gross.
So Timothy Wayne Coggins was born in Georgia on August 29th, 1960.
He was the fourth of eight children born to Viola Coggins Dorsey, which Viola, oh yeah, love.
It immediately makes me think of Viola Davis.
Yes. Which is like a very good association.
100%. The family didn't have a lot when it came to income or resources, but they were really a tight -knit family and they were all completely supportive of one another so where they weren't rich in like money and assets they were rich in like love for each other where a lot honestly where it counts exactly and despite an already full house viola and tim's stepfather robert constantly regularly entertained nieces nephews friends they were that house you could always go to if you didn't have a place to go i love that or just if you needed some support in a place that felt like home yeah tim's niece
heather said they didn't come from much but they came from love and that taught them to love each other oh now despite their limited means viola and robert worked really hard to instill strong values and a good work ethic and all of their kids but most of all they stressed and i'm sure you can already tell the importance of family connection tim and his younger sister talisa were only two years apart so they grew up with a really really, really close bond Talisa described Tim saying he was funny and outgoing, Tim was a man with an irresistible smile who never met a stranger like I love the way
she put that, like he never met a stranger, like they were friends immediately I love that, and he was also really, really protective of his friends and family especially very protective over his four sisters and his mother, like you were not going to do anything to hurt them if Tim was around and whenever one of his sisters was going to a friend's house, he would insist He didn't insist on walking them there and back just to make sure they got there and home with no trouble.
Likewise, he was always affectionate with his mother, and he went out of his way to help her.
Heather Coggins, his niece, said, See, he's just a good man.
He's a good man. What friends and family remember most, though, was Tim's passion for music.
music. In the early 1980s the remnants of the disco and the funk era were still really popular on the radio and Tim loved going out to the club on the weekend just to spend the weekend dancing.
Hell yeah. Loved loved dancing loved music.
One of his aunts remembered he'd just dance anywhere.
He'd dance in the street.
Oh I love that. He has dance and shoes on all the time.
Dancing in the the street.
It's Tim. I love that.
No. In 1983, Spalding County was one of the more rural parts of the Atlanta metro area.
Although it was actually the largest city in the county, Griffin was equally rural.
Because the town was so small, the People's Choice Club, a small dance club, and the almost exclusively black part of Griffin was the hottest place to be on a Friday night, especially if you wanted to dance, especially if you wanted to hear some music.
Hell yeah. This was the place to go.
I love people who love to dance.
Hell yeah. I feel like it's just like that's a very specific kind of person and they're always awesome.
Yeah, they always are.
Shake your booty. Right.
Now, on the night of October 7th, Tim caught a ride with a friend to the People's Choice Club where he was going to meet up with Ruth Mickey Guy.
She was a local white woman who he had started dating a few weeks earlier.
According to a journalist, Wesley Lowry, even in the 1980s, interracial dating was frowned upon in Spalding.
Which is so wild to think about that.
And it's about to get even more wild.
This is still his quote.
Where a local clan chapter still held of regular rallies and parades.
That feels like it should be a different planet.
It does. It just doesn't feel like this.
Honestly, at this point I'm like, yeah, that's Earth.
No, absolutely. Absolutely.
You know what I mean?
Now, unfortunately, I feel like everything is flipped on its head way too much. Very much so.
I feel like the wheels turn backwards way too quickly.
But it should be somewhere else.
But it just feels like it's – you look around and you're like, it doesn't belong on this planet.
This belongs on a less advanced planet.
A less advanced society should be doing this kind of shit.
It's so true. And thinking this kind of way.
It's just sad to think that black people living in this area were just subject to seeing parades go by full of white people that wanted to do the most disgusting, horrific things to them and literally don't see them as human.
And they had to just go about their lives.
And just live and share the same spaces.
And it's probably the one of the very big reasons why Timothy was so adamant about walking his sister's places and, you know, walking his mother places.
One hundred percent.
Like making sure, like putting himself in harm's way.
Yeah. To make sure they're safe because they're not safe.
Exactly. Because I think that's exactly what it was.
That's the other thing.
It's like they're saying the quiet parts out loud.
They're just not even hiding it.
Exactly. No, it's so true.
true and this was very much an area like this county was very much an area where it was pretty segregated like there were black parts of town and there were white parts of town and I'm sure they intersected at certain points and that must have been just so fear -inducing for a black person to have to go in like a in a quote -unquote white area yeah and to think that this like this was the the 1980s this was not like 19 no like 1919 or something like that like you know the the 1930s or something where you're like still you know where you're like damn even then you're like damn we should have advanced
further than that this is the 1980s like i know people that were alive during this time you were i was born yeah like and it's like when i hear these kind of stories and like things like this it's like you and i say this a lot but i can't imagine Imagine looking at a kid and filling them with that kind of hatred for another person for no fucking reason.
That's what people do.
Except for what they look like.
And it's so scary. Like I couldn't imagine looking at the girls and being like, let me teach you to hate somebody based solely on appearances or at all.
That's the scariest thing is you hit the nail on the head there because you think about it.
and these people in this area had been taught from probably the time before they could even speak to hate just to hate just to hate because of literally the color of someone's skin and it's just and again kids are so open they're so impressionable and they're so like they come out just ready to accept whatever ready to just make friends and yeah be kind and be they do they They just come out that way nine times out of ten.
They come out that way.
We teach them this shit.
Yep. And you teach them that shit real early, and it's like I don't know.
I just can't fathom looking at a very open -minded, just untainted child and just tainting them with adult hate.
Like I just can't. It's good that we can't fathom it because I can't either obviously.
It's just so sad. I don't know what headspace that you have to be in.
to and honestly I think you have you had to have been raised with hate.
Yeah like if oh if you're teaching that yeah it's a cycle.
It is. For sure and it's I mean but it's like where does it start it's gotta start somewhere and it's like what the fuck.
Well on the the bigger question is where the fuck does it end like yeah absolutely are we done yet yeah how do you break that like it's it's bad it's still bad.
But you do see these people who are they come from a long line of this shit and they're taught that from a young age and luckily they were able to which which must be difficult if you're if you're like you know so indoctrinated to think that way yeah to break that cycle some people are able to break free of just like the indoctrination of thinking that way and be like wait a second and start thinking critically about it and be like what the fuck am I doing like you know like what am I what are these thoughts that have been put in my head yeah and they end up like like going the totally different
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It is, and it's – It's so sad.
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It's just dumb. And dumb.
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So back to the People's Choice Club that night.
And a lot of friends had pointed out that Tim's relationship with Mickey might not be the best idea in rural Spalding County, but their warnings did little to sway Tim.
He wasn't gonna be pushed around by a bunch of racist people telling him who he could and couldn't date.
And they like each other.
They should be able to like each other.
They should absolutely be able to like each other.
It doesn't fucking affect anybody else.
No. Who gives a shit?
That's the thing. You don't like it?
Look the other way.
Everybody, mind your fucking business.
Exactly. That's what it really comes down to.
Honestly, even in 2024, that is still true.
Everyone mind your fucking business.
Mind your fucking business.
God damn. It's true.
It's just like, if it's not affecting you, who gives a shit?
And I think, honestly, I I remember my mom telling me when I was little, like, I've said so many things about my mom, but this is actually, like, a good thing that she taught me.
I'm like, don't worry.
It's positive. I remember, like, I would come home and be like, this person is driving me fucking crazy.
I wouldn't say fucking, but I'd be like, this person is driving me nuts.
And she'd be like, you need to, like, ask yourself in the moment, is that really affecting you?
Yeah. Like, does that behavior genuinely affect you?
And if it doesn't, let it go.
Yeah. Then shut up and move on.
I apply that to, like, so much of my life.
like if I'm like getting annoyed by something I'm like but is that really affecting me like outside of it just like annoying or am I just choosing to let it or am I choosing to be annoyed exactly draw myself into it right and I think more and more people need to look at situations and behaviors like that yeah like is it does is it really affecting my life in any fucking way other than I'm annoyed by it unfortunately social media has kind of gotten out of control at this point because people can say whatever the fuck and everybody and i feel like it's just like it's ramped up too much now and it's
like and it's not and it's not just racism it's all you know many other things and it's like but everybody's just allowed to have their fucking two cents on everybody's business and you can say something that you would never in a million years look at someone and say and that's another thing when you're sitting there typing out a fucking comment ask yours like a crazy ass comment yeah ask yourself would i say this to somebody's face who was who did i see say this i think uh i'm gonna have to figure out who the who the comedian was it was it's a girl on tiktok but she was saying that like when somebody
says a mean thing online to her she was like i picture them like having to stand in front of everyone they've have ever respected or loved, like, their mother, their sister, their best friends, their dad, their grandfather, their grandmother, all the people that they respect and them saying that same comment to me while I stand there.
In front of all those people.
And then having to just look at all those people and be like, yep.
I said that. I know exactly who you're talking about.
I can't think of her name.
Erin. Erin. Erin, you're right.
Erin, hold on. Yeah, because I want to give her credit because it was such a good, uh, I think it begins with an H.
Hat. I know exactly.
i can literally see her face she's hilarious she's very very very funny and she has very very good like insights onto these little things erin i'm sorry if i say your last name wrong hattimer yes hattimer i almost said hattimer but i didn't want to botch it yeah but yeah i and i think that's such a great way to think about it so i mean that goes the other way too if somebody's being mean to you yeah because i think a lot of people have dealt with like you know assholes strangers on on the internet just think about it that way if it's bothering you just picture them having to say it in front of everyone
they've ever loved or respected and it'll make you be like that was a dumb thing for that person to say yeah it's so true but I think back then it's like at this point in this story it's like these people need to mind their business they do you know let two people care they're two consenting adults let them care about each other and obviously like this story it's like it's so much bigger than people just being assholes absolutely there's not even words This gets taken into the stratosphere of awful.
Nightmare territory.
But anyway, most weekend nights at the People's Club, Tim could be found, I'm sure you can guess, at the center of that dance floor where his energy and charm just shone.
But that night, Tim seemed very distracted almost from the moment he arrived there.
And later, his sister Talissa would remember making her way to the bathroom and hearing somebody else at the club say, and this is a quote, there were white men outside asking for Tim.
now in and of itself in this county that was a terrifying thing to hear that there were white men looking for your black brother like i can't imagine how she felt hearing that and then she caught a glimpse of tim headed for the front door of the club so oh boy that not only was she did she hear that most like terrifying thing that you could possibly hear in that moment but then she's like oh this is true like i i think he's headed out there oh boy so she followed after him to to make sure that he was okay.
But by the time she reached the parking lot, he was gone.
And she had no way of knowing that was the last time she was ever going to see her brother alive.
The next day, no one in the Coggins' house actually really thought much of the fact that Tim hadn't come home the night before.
Lowry wrote, it was typical for him to disappear for a few days at a time.
He knew everyone around town, so the safe assumption was that he was crashing on someone's couch, which you're in your early 20s, of course.
You have a night out, you spend the night at your friend's house, if you know everybody around town it's like yeah you got a ton of places to stay right but tim was not crashing on anybody's couch the next day two days after tim had gone out to meet mickey at the club sheriff's deputies were trying to identify a man in his early 20s whose badly beaten body had been found in a field not very far away from the people's choice club operating apparently without any sensitivity for the potential friends and family of this victim the photo that deputies were circulating was of a brutalized black man in his early
20s. His face was beaten so badly that he was essentially unrecognizable, but they were going around saying like, do you know who this is?
Showing people that photo.
What the fuck? Like, what the fuck?
I don't understand.
I don't understand.
It was a patron though at the People's Choice who thought they recognized the man as Tim Coggins and suggested the officer, Oscar Jordan, check check with the Coggins family.
So when Jordan showed the photo to Viola she broke down crying but Talissa insisted she didn't recognize the man in that photo.
She had no idea who it was.
I think it was very much a trauma response.
I was just gonna say there's why would you ever no part of you is gonna click as like this could be someone I love.
No. And your brain is gonna try to protect you from that.
Absolutely. It was only later that she told her reporter quote she she didn't want to admit what she knew immediately.
It was Tim. But her immediate trauma response is, no, that's not my brother.
No way. No. Yeah, I don't blame her because that's absolutely your brain trying to protect yourself.
And that family never should have seen that photo.
No. Like, never, ever should have...
That never should have been their last vision of their loved one.
No, of course not. It's awful.
But on the morning of October 8th, Tim's body was discovered by a father and son who were out squirrel hunting.
on the outer edge of an airfield in Griffin.
The autopsy had yet to be performed, but from what the sheriff's department could tell, and I just want to let you know this is a lot.
This is very graphic.
Tim had dozens of knife wounds in the back, torso, wrist, and neck.
When he was discovered, his shirt, socks, and shoes were missing.
His jeans were pulled down below his knees, and the police found his blood -stained sweater a few yards away.
Based on the abrasions on his body and the drag marks and patterns in the dirt they believed that he had been dragged behind a vehicle oh like this is that's that's animal behavior it's animal behavior that's worse than animal i don't know how that's animals don't do this i don't know how you can do anything like to hurt another person physically i i don't understand that headspace thankfully i don't know how you do this this is not just hurting a person this is beyond i don't know how you would do this to to an animal doing this that's the thing doing this to another person or another animal
like you should lock away and throw away the key like you're beyond any kind of fixing rehabilitation or any kind of if you're capable of this i don't know that's the depth it it's heinous the true depth uh georgia bureau of investigation gbi agent jared coleman said it appeared he had been chained to the back of a truck that truck then drug him feet first around in a square pattern and there were sites of blood at each corner so they dragged him like around and around and this all comes down to him dating a white woman and we've heard stories like this before we absolutely have which is like
this isn't a one -off by any stretch of the imagination imagination no and that's something everybody should oh that's just like oh it's unfathomable it comes down to who he decided to date who he liked and who liked him i was gonna say and who liked him it wasn't like he was harassing this girl she met up with him at the club like she was having a good time with him they liked each other that's not your fucking business and it it doesn't concern you in any way to take it upon yourself to do anything to hurt someone but then to do this because of their choice of who they want to be romantically
involved in what the fuck is wrong with you look inward yeah i mean yeah look inward look inward and then go away forever forever and don't join society ever again the sad part is and i'll tell you right from the top these people got to stay in society for a really long time before any justice was served in this story before awesome any justice whatsoever but a few days later and i i told you from the top like this is a this is a heavy yeah a few days later the autopsy confirmed what the sheriff's officers already assumed and unfortunately unveiled several other horrible details it was very difficult
to tell the order in which tim's wounds had been inflicted But the medical examiner believed that he had been knocked to the ground and stabbed seven times in the chest in what appeared to be a kind of star pattern.
And there were two intersecting slashes on his chest and back about 11 inches.
It went 11 inches in what formed a large X, which I'm sure you know why.
In addition to the chest wounds, the tendon behind one of his knees was severed and that was with an additional stab.
Oh. And then he was dragged behind a vehicle for they don't know how long an inter indeterminable amount of time.
But evidence at the scene suggested there was a square pattern around the lot.
So it it was over and over like it wasn't just for a short period.
Yeah, it was prolonged.
Holy shit. Finally, his attackers dragged him further into the field and he was hit over the head with a large heavy object that they believed could have been a wooden chair or a table leg.
And then his body was dragged even further, and this is gross, to the base of a tree that locals referred to as the hanging tree.
And he was left there to die.
What the fuck? The medical examiner determined that the cause of death had been from the stab wounds, but...
they don't know what order that all happened they don't know what order and this was not he was tortured absolutely like this was not a quick death at all like these these people could have stopped their actions at any point in time and only continued and progressed to do worse and worse things to this human being the fact that you're telling me that that these people, and obviously it's several people, that these people were walking around in society after this for a long time.
Years, years and years.
And interacting with other people and probably being around children and being around humans and being alone with people.
Not only that, let me even up that, telling people what they did.
Telling people about this.
Are you boasting about it?
For years. But sometimes it's, like, really base level to be a human being.
Like, sometimes when you hear shit like this, you're like, can I—this sucks.
Like, it sucks to be in the same kind of species as these people.
Like, it's like, damn.
Because we're the only species that will do this to each other.
Something, like, sometimes it's real gross to be the same species.
It's beyond words. Like, this entire—this—I've had this one done for a little bit and just, like, like, have been getting into the, you know, like...
The headspace to be able to...
The headspace to actually, like, do this case justice and, like, present it well.
Yeah. This is gnarly.
Like, there are... I keep saying there's just not words for what this is.
And the fact that this is true, this happened, and like you said earlier, this is not the first time it's happened.
No. Not the last time it happened.
No, absolutely not.
This shit, similar shit like this, happens right now like right now in the times that we live in and that it's beyond oh yeah it's this is just this is tough it's it is it's tough but it's a i think it's an important story to tell like tim's story people should know who he was absolutely and i mean there's people that still that walk around and are like racism is fake like this is like this i've heard people act that way It's like, of course, it needs to be like, no, no. Sit down.
Let me tell you a story.
Exactly. Now, like I said, at the time of the murder, Griffin was a still somewhat, and I don't even know what, like, it's segregated.
It's barely somewhat.
There were black residents living on one side and white residents living on the other.
Heather Coggins, and again, that's Tim's niece, were called, you would see Holmes with the Confederate flag, but we live on our side of the tracks.
They live on their side of the tracks, and you don't intermingle if you don't have to.
do so that being the case sheriff butch freeman knew the black community most likely wasn't going to cooperate with a mostly white sheriff's department especially with a clearly racially motivated crime yeah so he assigned one of the department's few black officers oscar jordan to lead the investigation and oscar jordan tries so hard in this in this case and in this investigation and when you hear what happens when he starts actually gaining traction you're going to want to toss your microphone across the room.
I just want to warn you.
Cool. Now, from the moment Tim's body was discovered, Jordan knew this was going to be a tough case to crack because aside from the tire tracks and the drag marks found at the scene, the only other evidence investigators found was an empty bottle of Jack Daniels and a large broken table leg with black electrical tape wrapped around one end.
Jordan assumed that the table leg obviously was the blunt object used to crush Tim's skull.
Yeah, it's almost like they formed it into a bat.
Exactly. Actually, exactly.
With the electrical tape.
Yep. But with no other evidence, they believe that the killer must have taken the knife that they used to do everything they did to Tim with them when they left the scene.
And in the absence of the additional physical evidence, Jordan went back to the Coggins family where he learned where Tim had last been seen, dancing at the People's Choice with a white woman on the night he was murdered.
And he found out that Talissa had seen Tim leave leave the club and meet two white men outside.
But unfortunately, while several people knew that Tim had recently started dating a white girl and actually had even seen her at the club with him, no one knew her name.
Like nobody that he was talking to on the Coggins side of things even knew who she was.
Others had definitely seen him leaving the club to meet two white men who were waiting across the street from the club, but nobody got a good enough look at the men to identify them.
So, the Coggins family just didn't have the information to help guide Jordan's investigation, but they did have one piece of information that proved useful.
According to Tim's aunt, there was a story going around that two local white guys had given Tim and his friend Danny $600 to buy marijuana, but Tim and Danny had taken the money and never returned with the drugs.
And it was a story.
This is alleged. A few weeks before Tim was murdered, Danny was killed, his friend and what everybody assumed was an accident.
But in light of Tim's death, Jordan started to suspect that maybe both had been murdered in this kind of drug deal gone bad scenario.
Which I guess to a degree you can understand like how this was a drug deal gone wrong.
But the way in which he was killed goes so far beyond that.
There's hate. It's clear that this is not simply a bad drug deal.
Like I understand like following that definitely because obviously you're not you can't just like ignore that that's not it and you don't have anything else that's the thing so i understand that but it's like it goes there's hate here yeah there's hate and rage and and that's the animalistic behavior i just want to make sure that it doesn't get lost in like a drug deal gone bad kind of thing because yeah spoiler alert that's not what it is that's not what it is now in pursuit of more information or any kind of evidence officer jordan checked with some of of the known drug dealers and users who lived
in carrie's park which was a white occupied trailer park in griffin he didn't really get more information on the supposed six hundred dollar weed deal but he did hear another rumor that piqued his interest someone told jordan that sandra bunn a local white woman living in carrie's park had been bragging to her neighbors about tim's murder what the fuck and she's not the only person that was around town bragging about this murder her bragging about having information about knowing who did it the people who did it were bragging about having done it imagine bragging about being like a fucking lizard
person no who just said like imagine that disgusting no return to the ooze where you belong that's exactly where these people want these this case like elicits so much anger so much anger and just like some of of them I can't but so yeah she's bragging about Tim's murder so in question she told Jordan that on the night of the murder she'd seen Tim in the trailer park with her brother Frank Gebhardt and his girlfriend Mickey Guy okay I don't know if you remember Mickey Guy that's who Tim was dating yeah she had a boyfriend okay a white boyfriend Frank Gerhardt okay and another friend named Bill
Bill Moore. The group had been having an argument outside of Frank's house before Tim, Frank, and Bill Moore got into Frank's car and drove out of the park in the direction of the quote -unquote hanging tree.
So she saw all of this and then heard about what happened later and was spreading that rumor.
Or not even rumor, she was spreading that story.
Yeah. That true story.
So finally, he found like he found a viable lead in the case.
And he was like, okay, we got, we, yeah, I think we're right here.
So Jordan, Oscar Jordan, goes to his boss, Sheriff Butch Freeman, and tells him that Tim was last seen with this guy Frank and Bill just hours before his death, going in the direction of where his brutalized body is found.
Jordan went to the sheriff in order to get an approval to interview both of these men and was absolutely stunned when rather than approve his strategy, strategy, Sheriff Freeman inexplicably pulled him off of the case and reassigned him to traffic duty.
What the fuck? He gets a viable lead.
What would have closed the case then and there?
That's the most transparent thing I've ever seen.
Would have closed the case then and there.
And he said, sorry, you need to go back to traffic duty.
Can you imagine? And again, Officer Jordan is a black black man yeah gets gets to finally like possibly chase down justice is cracking a case and then they're like hey go stand in direct traffic again yeah while you know that you know exactly these men are most likely the men that did this to a black man and you another black man just go direct traffic we're good we're gonna just say this is coincidence or what can you imagine i I can't even begin to imagine how he would have felt in that moment.
Yeah. Because you're helpless.
Exactly. Like, he must have felt so helpless.
Helpless and fucking angry.
And angry. Angry. Yeah.
He later remembered, I was told, thank you, but we're not going to need your assistance anymore.
Oh, fuck. And you, honestly, you must feel fucking flabbergasted, flummoxed in that moment.
Yeah. Just like, what?
Like, you're really going to do this?
Like, come again? You're going to do this with your whole chest?
Like, you're just going to throw me on traffic duty with your whole fucking chest?
And this is my livelihood.
I can't just, like, quit and get another job somewhere else.
Well, that's the problem here.
I have to stay here.
They know they have the power here because they know that this is somebody's livelihood.
They're not just going to throw it away.
And it's like, but he's sitting here struggling with probably so many emotions and so many different feelings.
Yeah. Yeah. Unbelievable.
The fact that this is a true story and is so similar to other stories, It's just fucked.
But in his place, Freeman assigned a white officer who went out to Carey's Park and interviewed Frank Gebhardt.
According to Frank, he was at his girlfriend's house all evening on the night of the murder and she corroborated that at the time of the interview.
And as far as anybody knew, there was actually no attempt to even interview Bill Moore.
Interesting choice.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
So not long after Oscar Jordan was taken off of the case, the Coggins family started getting anonymous threats at home and at work.
Tim's stepfather Robert got to his job as a bus driver one morning and found that somebody had left a bloody t -shirt on the bus that he drove every single morning What?
A few days later somebody threw a brick through one of their windows and it had a note tied to it that read You're next What the fuck?
This family was terrorized?
First they lost one of their like children brothers like one of their most like loved people people and then and then they had to see a picture of what happened to him that's they got a knock on their door after he was missing and that's what they saw and now this is what they're going through wow and it doesn't end there and i just want to give a quick trigger warning for animal abuse and violence because they arrived home one afternoon and found a decapitated dog in the hallway of their home what the fuck somebody went broke into their home first of all did that to an animal broke into their
home and left that in their home there's no it makes you it makes you genuinely sick like it makes you nauseated i don't even know what to say like this is just like and why this kind of behavior is just so fucking subterranean to me like it's just like what the fuck and these people are just walking Walking around.
Living their – I'm bragging about it.
And it's – there's no reason to do something like this to anyone.
No. No. For people to be able to sit there and, like, to justify this in their own mind somehow.
Somehow. And, like, lay their head on a pillow.
The mental gymnastics you have to be doing to justify this kind of, like, oozy behavior is really unbelievable.
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talissa later said we knew from the beginning that he had been killed because he was black but the harassment was so bad that after tim's funeral his family actually chose to bury him without a headstone for fear of further victimization they knew where he was and like they could go visit him but they couldn't commemorate his memory in any kind of way because they were worried that his grave would also be desecrated.
And you can't blame them one fucking bit.
No. But holy shit. No. They can't even properly bury and memorialize their loved one because people won't even let that lie.
No, and they wouldn't have. No. I mean, look what they were doing to this family after what they did to him.
They can't even think, like he's not even safe in death.
No. No. know. That's, you, that's, it's disgusting.
That's a different level.
It's disgusting. That's a different level.
That these poor people had to go through what they went through continuously.
Yeah. For so many years.
That's awful. His niece, Heather, said, we never put a headstone on his grave. We didn't know if they were going to desecrate the grave. We didn't know what they were capable of.
And then they're probably living in fear, wondering, is that going to happen to me next?
Are they just terrorizing me up to the point where then they're going to grab me and do that to me?
Absolutely. That's a real fear.
The fear that these people had to have been living in.
Like, terrifying. But with Oscar Jordan no longer leading the investigation, the case quickly went cold, almost as though no one at the sheriff's office had any interest in solving the murder.
It's almost like that.
By December, just two months after Tim's murder, the department shelved the case and cited a lack of leads and a need to allocate resources elsewhere, leaving the Coggins family without answers and completely hopeless.
heather commented who do you turn to for help when the number one people who you're who are supposed to help you don't yeah like who who do you go to again the helpless feeling there and the absolute desperation that goes unanswered must be and you can't even again your life is here all the thing your job your house your family every you can't just get up and leave that's the thing it's not it's not that easy just to get the hell away from here and get to somewhere and who at this point I'm like and you don't even know where you could go where do you go where do you go that it's gonna be better
and where and you can't Tim's here yeah Tim's brave is there you can't leave him and again you can't it's not that easy just to pick up and run to another state or run somewhere else it's like that's that and they know that and unfortunately by design it wasn't it was specifically not easy for the black community exactly to have the resources to do that and the power dynamic knows that mm -hmm And eventually the months turned into years, years turned into decades, leaving the family to face the likelihood that Tim's killer would absolutely never be brought to justice.
So due to limited resources, major crimes in rural parts of Georgia, especially murder, are actually typically handled by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, who are much better equipped to investigate the cases.
Since the early 2000s, the GBI actually had a practice of cycling its cold cases for review in the hope that new officers fresh eyes might pick something up that other previous investigators had missed.
So in 2016, the Timothy Coggins murder case, then 33 years cold.
33 years. 33 years with nothing.
But it made its way to the desk of Jared Coleman, a young agent who had started with the GBI just two years earlier.
After looking over the case file, what struck Coleman the most was not what the file actually contained, but what was noticeably absent from the file.
Oscar Jordan's notes heavily indicated that he believed Frank Gebhardt and Bill Moore to be the two white men seen with Tim outside of the club, and he strongly suspected that they were the two who were responsible for Tim's murder.
But as far as Coleman could tell, aside from the one brief interview with Frank Gebhardt, there was very little attempt to question either man or even verify their alibis on the night of the murder.
That's wild. Like his girlfriend was like, yeah, he was here with me.
And they were like, cool.
Cool. And then nobody even, as far as anybody knows, there was never an interview with Bill Moore back when this actually happened.
Well, and the good thing is, as we know, girlfriends and boyfriends never lie when it comes to alibis for their partner.
Yeah, never. It's really good that they just let that go.
Checked anywhere else.
Yeah, exactly. She would never lie about that, I'm sure.
All these people seem like they're really tip -top people, so I definitely don't double -check those statements at all.
Totally, definitely.
I bet she's telling the truth, I bet it's fine.
100%. Now, while there was very little evidence collected during the initial investigation, it appeared several key pieces of evidence collected in 1983 had just gone missing.
Oh, you know, that happens.
It happens all the time.
It always happens in very specific cases, but it happens, I guess.
Yeah, totally. Among the evidence that had gone missing, Tim's pants and sweater, which actually had contained hair samples when they found them.
Oh, I bet that wasn't.
That was just coincidence.
Yeah, just crazy. The wooden table leg.
Oh. the jack daniels bottle and the tire impressions that were taken at the scene so the evidence so that's why literally almost every piece of evidence that they had because remember they barely had any evidence at the scene other than most of those things when this shit happens in cases where they're just like we lost mountains of evidence for this massive murder case you're just like who fucking believes that like who who's the person that's like yeah that happens like I also want to know who destroyed that yeah who are you who went out and did whatever the fuck they did without to make it
get lost and then went home and ate dinner with their family yeah show me them wait who laid their head on a fluffy little pillow that night after getting rid of that evidence and just went on to live their fucking privileged ass life well well probably living in the area and seeing this family this family seeing them going through 30 30 plus years of torment and not knowing what happened to their loved one.
But every night just fluffy pillow.
Nighty night. Lay your head on it.
I, I'm angry right now.
Like, I just, I, so many people had to be so fucking gross in this case.
And that's what was really, this isn't just like, not that it's like ever just, you know, like the one murderer you know what i mean that like like in a murder case you'll have like the bad person you did it you know and usually you can count on the investigators to be the good guys and to be like you get the good guys and you get the good people that come out and fix this for the family or like at least try to come and put something together for the family yeah but in this one there's just layers of nasty nasty people in 19 just making this exponentially worse in 1983 there was one good guy oscar
jordan who got reassigned to traffic as far as we know like as far as key players in this story i'm sure there were other like good people on the police force i'm not saying i mean i know for a fact that there was a lot of absolutely deplorable disgusting humans that weren't even just investigators like secretaries that worked at the at the police station were in on this on this cover and this This is what I'm talking about.
It's, like... It goes so...
It's so far -reaching.
That's why this kind of thing is so...
It's, like, so beyond the scope of comprehension because it's, like, so many people have to be so shitty at one place in time.
All together. Yep. Like, they all have to join hands and be the shittiest kind of, like, subterranean...
Filth. Fucking filth.
Scum. Together. Yeah.
It's not, again, not just...
You can't just look at these bad guys and be like, wow, bad guys, subterranean, shitty, ooze, bye, like put them away.
And like we all did that.
It's like, there's too many.
There's too many here.
And to think of, there's a lot of victims in this case.
Timothy Coggins, obviously.
Timothy Coggins' family, obviously.
Then I couldn't stop thinking about Oscar Jordan while I was writing this, having to go into this police station where he works every single day, knowing one, that he was taken off the case.
But you know there was whispering going on about what they were doing with this evidence to get it lost what they were doing to actively you know he was probably feeling he was there the day it got shelved and it's like he's a black man and he was he was so close to solving this or at least like like trying breaking it open breaking it open like doing anything and he just had to walk into a police station where everyone was against him yeah every single person was against him and against his his community of people but yeah just the fact that he had to go through that yeah is horrific but the obviously
uh limited effort invested in finding Tim's killer was surprising to Coleman but things only got and remember it's surprising because it's 2016 and like obviously still racism is very much alive during 2016 times and now like I said but you can you can imagine that he would be fucking shocked to be like this was 1983 and like nothing was done and everything was lost yeah but things only got more disturbing as he combed through the surviving evidence as he dug deeper into the evidence he started finding correspondence from an inmate named christopher vaughn who actually reached out to investigators
many times regarding the coggins murder he's disgusting too but for some reason he wanted to help in this it's it's It's very conflicting.
People are weird. Yeah.
In 2016, he was serving a sentence for, trigger warning, this is gross, child molestation.
Wow. Yeah. But in October of 1983, when he was a 10 -year -old boy, he had gone out squirrel hunting with his father in Griffin.
He and his father were the ones that discovered Tim Coggin's dead body.
Wow. Which is just really nuts to imagine that a 10 -year -old with his dad saw this and then Still became a monster I was just gonna say saw The depths of depravity And then decided to reach There yeah interesting Your brain can't really compute this Because he wants to help and he He does help in this investigation But he's fucking disgusting That's that's It's heinous but according Like there's no true good people Not in this at all except Except for the people we mentioned in Coleman here.
But according to Vaughn's letter since the murder in 1983 Frank Gebhardt had admitted to him several times that he and Bill Moore had killed Tim Coggins after Frank learned that his girlfriend Mickey Guy had been cheating on him with Tim.
A decision that she made.
I was just going to say she made that decision.
As far as I don't know if Tim knew even that Mickey had a boyfriend.
Exactly. He just liked Mickey.
That's the thing and if they're together And he lives on the difference he doesn't know he doesn't know and and you can't prove that he did like that's the thing it's like that's she's the one who cheated and even if he did that's not an acceptable way to handle the other thing it's like that's that doesn't even touch the fact that there's literally no justification no for what you did none but he confessed frank confessed uh first to von at a house party when von was just a teenager but von claimed he confessed several times after that always in a proud and boastful manner.
According to Vaughn, Gebhardt told him they killed Tim and taken all the evidence back to his house and dumped it in an old well on the property.
Fuck, where's that old well?
I'll let you know. Oh, good.
Coleman said the case really hadn't been fully dived into since 1983, but based on his cursory review, he could tell that the sheriff's office in 1983 had made essentially zero effort to follow up on any leads after Oscar Jordan was taken off the case.
so now completely determined to fill in these gaps coleman paid a visit to bill moore who was immediately uncooperative and wildly evasive i'm shocked despite having lived in the small town for his entire fucking life this is a small rural community where like everyone knows everyone more claimed to know nothing about this case shut the fuck up nothing about this case told told coleman that he had actually never even heard of tim coggins wow what what a what a choice to make what a choice to go that route you live in the trailer park where multiple people are walking around talking about this you live
in the trailer park where he was last seen even if you do have nothing to do with this you fucking heard of it you've definitely heard you've heard of this wild wild insane disgusting story at least they're idiots so there's that sure at least they're They sure are.
Yeah. He said, I've never heard of Tim Coggins.
Yeah, no. Coleman immediately knew that Bill was lying.
Of course. But the problem was that more than three decades had passed since the murder and several of the original witnesses had died, including Mickey Guy.
She was dead. Oh, shit.
So like Oscar Jordan before him, Agent Coleman now strongly suspected Frank and Bill of involvement in Tim's murder.
He was like, I think you had the right guys from the start.
But given the limited investigation done in 1983 and the disappearance, quote -unquote, of key evidence over the years, he was going to need a lot of help to prove that either of these two men were involved.
So as such, he approached the newly elected sheriff of Spalding County, Daryl Dix, to ask for the sheriff's cooperation in his investigation.
retaliation. It's weird how luckily it doesn't repeat itself to the full extent but how like like somebody did this in 1983 however many years ago like had to go to the sheriff and say like I want to I want to do this I want to look into this more and the sheriff then said no. Luckily this sheriff Sheriff Dix was a man of integrity.
Good. And recognized that local law enforcement had a lot of work to do in order to repair the rift and tensions caused by a very very long long history of racist policing in this area.
Thank goodness someone is aware of this.
Yeah, and he actually saw Coleman's request as an opportunity to make progress in rebuilding trust with the black community.
So while his deputies began digging through the old case file, looking for anything that could point them in the right direction, Coleman moved on to the other suspect.
He already interviewed Bill.
Now he goes to Frank Gebhardt, who at this time, I'm sure will shock you, was serving a prison sentence.
Oh, shocking. This time for sexual assault, because he's a monster in every sense of the word. Honestly, that checks.
Yeah, of course it does.
Not shocking. But like Bill Moore, Frank claimed he knew nothing about Tim Coggins' murder.
Yeah. I don't even think I heard of that.
So Coleman, he needed to change his strategy if he hoped to get anything out of him.
So based on Christopher Vaughn's letters to the GBI, Coleman heavily suspected that Frank Gebhardt's then girlfriend, friend, Mickey Guy, had been having an affair with Tim Coggins, which he was like, obviously this is the motive for the murder.
So he tested the theory, and sure enough, when he confronted Frank with the affair, Frank's entire tone and demeanor changed dramatically.
He still maintained that he had nothing to do with the murder, but this time he added, and this is disgusting, quote, he didn't care if Timothy was killed, should have been minding his own business.
Wow. Why the fuck don't you mind yours that i'm like deal with your own fucking family shit in your own home break up with your girlfriend tell it like work things out with her if you want to mind your own fucking business as far as timothy coggins is concerned yeah honestly okay glasshouse exactly glasshouse mind your own business he says yeah but according to frank he had no recollection of confessing anything to christopher vaughn or anyone else though he admitted he had been a heavy drinker for more than 30 years because sure you have to drink those fucking demons down when I love that he's
like you know what I have been a heavy drinker so like it is possible that I did admit wrongfully to a horrific racially motivated and highly publicized murder that I had nothing to do with um it's possible yeah I might have said that I'm like wow like I've gotten hella drunk at multiple different times I've never ever confessed to a murder I didn't commit that you did not commit nope no No. Nope.
But when Coleman asked about Vaughn's claims that they dumped all the evidence in a well behind his house, Frank denied that too.
Ooh, get that well.
And when pressed further he said, well, y 'all come out there and dig my damn well up.
Which, whether Frank truly expected it or not, was exactly what Agent Coleman intended to do.
Oh my god. Okay. Of course.
Okay. Sounds good. Threaten me with a good time.
Let's go. Thanks for the permission.
Thanks. Yeah, literally, thank you for the permission.
I'm going to do that.
Also, I don't even really know how it works if you're in prison.
if technically that's your property anymore.
I don't think so. Honestly, I have no idea how that works.
Yeah, I'm not positive, but I can, I mean, I don't think you're like paying taxes on your property from prison.
Yeah, that makes sense.
So maybe it just gets transferred to like next of kin or it gets sold off.
I don't know. Yeah, actually it must get sold off because I'm thinking of a case that we covered where like something gross happened on a farm and they ended up having to sell it to the town.
Or like the town takes ownership ownership sometimes yeah so technically it's not his property like the ed gein case yeah they took ownership of the property exactly then it was like an auction right yeah it's like nobody wants nobody wanted that shit but um but yeah so the more jared coleman learned about frank uh gephardt and bill moore the more he came to believe that they were absolutely capable of committing a racially motivated hate crime frank and bill had grown up together in griffin and had had a long history of substance abuse and violent disruptive behavior of just being dicks very
much so according to wesley lowry and i'm sorry because these individuals are fucked there is another trigger warning for animal abuse here on the weekends gebhardt would host wild debaucherous parties featuring beer and pills and shrooms at least one time the drunken butchering of a cow on the kitchen floor of one of the trailers and both men were known as frequent flyers at the the local courthouse so they're just like like there's no like they they hit all the boxes when i said i'm like never come out in every sense never come out yes bye in every sense of the word and beyond that they were also known
to be like the most racist of racist you have to be and they They both had ties to that local chapter of the KKK and had more than a few friends each in local law enforcement agencies.
Wow. So they were, it was clear as day that they had done this.
Wow. It was clear as day that they at least were two men who were very capable of doing this and had the means and the motive.
So the more he dug into Frank and Bill's past, though, the more Coleman began to realize that his two suspects actually weren't the only people around with very racist views.
And reflecting on his experience with the sheriff's office in the early 1980s, Oscar commented that many on the police force used pointed racial slurs and that it wasn't all that uncommon to hear those kind of slurs amongst people in the police force that he worked on.
There had always also been rumors that the Griffin Police Department and the Spalding County Sheriff's Office counted more than a few KKK members in their ranks, many of whom marched in local parades and appeared at events as late as the early 80s when Tim was killed.
How the fuck is that allowed?
Like, how do you hold a position like that and be so outwardly...
I think it's so hard for us to even grasp because we've lived in Massachusetts our whole lives.
I was going to say we're very lucky that we have grown grown up in massachusetts because it's just a i have never felt luckier to live in massachusetts for my entire life because we just don't it's just not the same it's just it's just you don't see things like this yeah like fortunately no it's like this is i my brain is having trouble wrapping around a lot of this in certain parts of the south this was just what happened and And especially in this time period.
In this time period, especially.
And it's like, it should have been very uncommon and horrific to see, but it was part of life.
But while the rumors of Klansmen working in law enforcement were troubling for Coleman and for Sheriff Dix, rumors alone weren't going to prove that local law enforcement had attempted to protect Frank or Bill or otherwise interfere in the investigation of Tim's murder.
So they were going to have to keep digging for something else.
but fortunately buried deep within the cold case evidence one of dicks's deputies found exactly what investigators had been looking for he was combing through that old evidence for anything that could help in the hunt for tim's killer and he came across you would i feel like you would never expect this he came across a diary from the early 1980s that actually belonged to a former sheriff's deputy named uh it's norman fusky i believe or fusky he worked at the department during the tim coggins quote -unquote investigation coleman said in reading through the diary we found out that the ku klux klan's
infiltration into the spalding county sheriffs and the griffin police department may have played some role in the lack of closure in this case oh shit among other things the diary detailed the clan's active and ongoing attempts to recruit law enforcement officers at the time and actually named several kkk members who most definitely worked at the sheriff's department during the 1980s what the fuck many of whom were actually assigned to the coggins case after oscar jordan was reassigned man literal kkk members were assigned to this case we just can't help writing stuff down that will that will later
incriminate also just like I'm glad I'm glad that they kept a diary what the fuck did that diary entry did it say like dear diary today the KKK recruited this guy like what did that what did it say like which again I'm happy yeah I'm happy that this guy kept a diary of all the nefariousness that was occurring around him but I'm always just like how did you start that entry out here like dear diary dear fucking diary thanks for keeping the record that really was something that helped because up to this point we just have a bunch of evidence gone yeah the word of a child molester a well that's sitting
over an alleged waiting to be yeah I'm waiting for that well keep waiting I've been I'm hanging on to that well in the meantime write in your diary I guess and then we've got a diary about all the nefarious activities and right now the diary is our best piece of evidence like this is a tough case who'd of thunk that that would be it and the problem is it's not a tough case like it's not a tough case at all but it's a tough case to prove however many years later 33 years later if any police work had been done and had they had allowed detective Oscar to do his actual job that he was doing correctly, then
they would have... they wouldn't have just let it lie at the girlfriend being like, oh yeah, he was with me all night.
That never would have just...
they would have looked into that to make sure that that was the correct alibi.
They didn't want to because they were literal KKK members.
And that's not hyperbolic.
That's fact. No, it's in the diary.
Multiple people were KKK members.
Damn. But at best, the diary implied that the racist view of some members of law enforcement had led to tim's case being prematurely shelved and at worst it suggested an act of conspiracy to undermine the investigation by covering for or just blatantly ignoring suspects and quite literally disposing of critical evidence that would have led to a conviction it really seemed that everyone in griffin including the coggins family had suspected or just full -out believed that frank gampart and bill moore were responsible for tim's murder her.
And now Coleman and Sheriff Dix also shared that belief.
But the problem was going to be proving their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Because it was true that the diary implied indirect interference at best, and Frank had confessed his guilt on a lot of occasions.
Even after he knew that Coleman and Dix were zeroing in on him, he was still going around telling people that he had done this.
But it's all rumors and hearsay.
You need, like, Like, legit, concrete, compelling evidence.
Yeah. So, based on everything that he learned up to that point, Agent Coleman put together a new theory about the murder.
He believed that in the week or so before Tim's death, Frank had heard the rumors that his girlfriend, Mickey, was cheating on him.
And he was already pissed that she was cheating on him.
But because his mind and lack of a soul were so beyond racist, it sent him beyond when he found out that she was cheating on him with a black man, and he became determined to do something about it.
So on the night of October 7th, 1983, Mickey arranged to meet Tim at the People's Choice while Frank and Bill waited outside.
This was a setup. Wow.
Yeah. So Mickey knew about this?
At least knew that they wanted him to be there?
Presumably. She's dead, so we can't say.
So she can't speak for him?
It was the belief that she arranged to meet Tim.
At the very least. And Bill and Frank were waiting outside.
And I don't know for a fact if Mickey knew that they were waiting outside, but based on everything going around town and the fact that this is a small town...
That's what's being presumed here.
Yeah. Not long after Tim arrived at the club, he ended up getting lured outside and got into that car with Frank, Bill, and Mickey, and then traveled to Carrie's Trailer Park where they argued outside of Frank's house.
A little after midnight, for reasons that are are still unclear.
Tim ended up getting into a truck.
I'm sure he was most likely forced into that truck.
I'm sure. And Frank and Bill and the three men traveled to an airfield about a mile away where they attacked Tim and did everything we know they did.
Once they returned to Frank's house, they threw Tim's clothes, the knife, and the chain into the well behind Frank's house, the chain that they used to drag him.
And in the following days, the murder investigation was open proceeded normally while oscar jordan was on the case but then when sheriff butch freeman learned of the details of the case and the suspects he interfered to protect frank and bill and to avoid exposing his department's connections to the local chapter of the kkk piece of shit covered everything up wow so colman took his theory to the spalding county prosecutor marie broder i believe it is she fully trusted in him but she was very skeptical that such a a case could successfully be argued in court.
Because what they did have working in their favor were seven witnesses though, who were willing to swear in court that Frank had confessed to the murder to them, at least on one occasion.
But the problem was six of those witnesses were incarcerated and one of them was serving a sentence for trial molestation, which would almost certainly harm all their credibility.
Of course. If they wanted to get a conviction, what Marie really needed was was a taped confession from Frank Gebhardt and some kind of physical evidence that could tie him and Bill Moore to the murder beyond that reasonable doubt.
So in April of 2017, Christopher Vaughn agreed to help the investigators by eliciting yet another confession from Frank.
Because remember, Frank is incarcerated at this point with Vaughn.
So one day while he was out of his cell, investigators set up a hidden recording device in that cell.
And then later that afternoon after After he returned, Vaughn entered the cell and they started talking to each other.
At first, Frank denied knowing anything about the murder.
But eventually, without any prompting, he admitted to confessing to the murder at a party more than 30 years ago.
He said he did not know what he might have said while he was drunk at a party, though.
Again, I'm sorry. I don't know a lot of people that confessed to brutal, racially motivated murders under the influence of alcohol.
No, don't know a single one, actually.
I have not yet come across that.
Thankfully. But the recording wasn't really a clear explicit admission of guilt.
So that was like kind of shitty but it did imply that Frank knew more than he was saying.
Absolutely. So several months later investigators executed a search warrant at his house where they confiscated more than 50 knives among other things.
And a few days later another inmate Patrick Douglas came forward to report that during a conversation with Frank, Frank had confessed to the murder and boasted that law enforcement would never find any evidence on the knives that they confiscated from his home because he'd actually thrown the real murder weapon down the well and built a large shed over the opening so nobody could get at it.
Douglas also quoted Frank as having complained, quote, that it was unfair that Sheriff Freeman could get away with killing a racial slur, but he could not.
And also stated, quote, he was the one who slammed him down and and stabbed him in the back wow yeah so he's also implying that the sheriff holy shit killed a black person and he said the it's unfair that the sheriff can get away with it but i can't so it's like what the fuck what is going on in that county yeah truly so the alleged confessions were compelling but again broader still marie broader still needed physical evidence to present this case to a jury.
But the problem was, in order to access that old well that you need the answers from - I need that well to be opened.
Investigators would have to dig up a lot of the property, destroying the sheds and parts of the house in the process, which was unreasonable and wouldn't get a judge's approval.
Unreasonable in the eyes of some.
Legally. Legally, exactly.
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But fortunately, Coleman located a new company in Atlanta that actually used a machine called a Hydrovac to clean out old wells.
So using a high -pressure hose, the Hydrovac company forced water into the ground, which forced all the debris out of the earth.
And then all of that gets sucked Oh, shit.
Wow. Holy shit. be torn by multiple stab marks decades old a piece of old logging chain and most importantly a broken kitchen knife that matched the stab wounds on tim's chest and neck holy shit broader called it's been sitting under the earth 30 i believe it's 33 years 33 years and they were imagine the satisfaction of being on like the right side of this oh yeah and seeing those Things come out.
Like, we can finally, we have these, so we can get him.
We can get this family justice.
And that that guy has been, that all those people saying this is what he said to me are telling the truth.
Yeah. Because he said, I threw it down the well.
Yup. And now it's being confirmed.
They might be fucked up people, but for some reason they were telling the truth.
We know this idiot was telling people this stuff, so he's admitted it several times.
Marie Broder recalled, it was exciting.
This was huge for us.
So she took the shoe to Tim's family and his sister, Talissa, instantly recognized it as the one her brother was wearing the night that they went out to the People's Choice, the last time she ever saw him.
The evidence was circumstantial, but now there was a lot of it.
And it all seemed to point to Frank Gebhardt and Bill Moore as Tim's killers.
Marie Brotter said that that was the turning point.
There had been so many obstacles along the way, but after the well, we knew we got him.
Yeah, you can't argue that away.
No way. So based on the evidence they gathered, Broder and Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Benjamin Coker, I believe, were able to get arrest warrants.
And it seemed that after more than three decades, somebody was finally going to stand trial for the murder of Timothy Coggins.
It's about time, man.
By the time Oscar Jordan was taken off the Coggins case in 1983, he had a pretty good idea of who killed Tim Coggins and why.
Yeah. And knowing that much of his removal from the case had affected Jordan, Coleman called the former sheriff's deputy.
I was so hoping that this—I've been thinking this whole time, like, please tell me that this guy got to be part of this whole thing in some way.
Actually, you're gonna shit yourself.
Coleman called him in mid -October and asked him if he would like to be among the officers to make arrests.
Oh, shut the fuck up.
I am so happy right now.
I was thinking this whole time.
I'm like, if anybody— colman is such a real one such a real one yeah jordan happily accepted colman's offer and on october 13th 2017 after being deputized by sheriff dicks oscar jordan led a team of officers that arrested frank gebhardt and bill moore for the murder of timothy coggins also arrested that day were millner police department employee lamar bunn and his mother Sandra, and Spaulding County Sheriff's Officer Gregory Huffman for the role that those three played in obstructing the original investigation.
Amazing. In his statement to the press, Sheriff Daryl Dix emphasized to the reporters, there's no doubt in the minds of the investigators that the crime was racially motivated, and if it occurred today, it would be presented as a hate crime.
When asked why the case had been reopened by the GBI and the Sheriff's Department, Dix explained, many of the witnesses interviewed said they'd been living with the information since Coggin's death, but had been quote -unquote afraid to come forward, or had not spoken of it until now.
Wow. So some people hadn't even talked about this because they were so scared of these two men.
Holy shit. And the people they were associated with.
Yeah. So they were harboring these secrets for 33 years.
Just for fear of their own safety.
Exactly. But with Frank Gebhardt and Bill Moore in their older years, now those witnesses weren't intimidated by them any longer And wanted to do the right thing.
So for Daryl Dix, the arrest felt like a major step in the right direction toward rebuilding the trust with Spalding County's black community.
When asked whether reports from 1983 accurately described the murder, he replied, he replied, yes and no. It was more than a simple murder.
It was done to send a message.
It was overkill. And Coleman echoed the sheriff's opinion, telling a reporter, the death of Mr. Coggins was very clearly a lynching.
Wow. Which it was. Absolutely.
They put him underneath a hanging tree after torturing him.
Absolutely. For who knows how long.
Now, at Frank and Bill's arraignment a few days later, District Attorney Ben Coker argued both men should be denied bond, citing their long history of witness intimidation and the frequency and pride with which they boasted about the murder, both of them.
Superior Court Judge Fletcher Sams agreed with the district attorney and denied bond, noting that to decide any other way would be, quote unquote, inappropriate, which, like, hell yeah.
In early December 2017, a probable cause hearing was held to determine how the case would proceed.
An interstatement to the judge, Marie Broder, explained the theory that Tim had been murdered because of his relationship with a local white woman, and the crime had 100 % been racially motivated.
evicted frank gebhart and bill moore quote wore the crime as a badge of honor she said which can you they just went around town or this with like a badge of honor and they were treated like it was i was gonna say other people in the community like other people in the community feel on the back yeah no one no one contradicted that that way of thinking no so they just thought yeah what we did was good yeah we're we're hometown here they were treated like hometown town that's for that's almost too much to to really comprehend comprehend like that truly is it's it's hard to comprehend that even a couple
or a few people are this gross depraved and depraved but it's like when you really think of the far reach of this you're like like it's almost too much for your mind to even go to to be like i can't deal with the fact that there's that many people in like that are so for this and justify this and would do this or support this or just turn a blind eye to this like that's a lot to to think about it's scary and to think that like we're all human like we're yeah we're all the fucking same we all the same on the inside like yeah we all got the same stuff like people will do this to one another like
a human will do this to another human and other people will pat them on the back instead of can consider going to the police and exactly condemning them it's it's heinous it is in his testimony jared jared coleman elaborated on their theory telling the judge they were proud of what they had done they felt like they were protecting the white race from black people wow which is like what the delulue the deranged the cognitive dissonance the the detachment from reality frailty is monsters absolute monsters to support the case though broader cited the numerous accounts from witnesses detailing the men's
proud confessions and the recordings in which frank can be heard saying if you give me a name of a witness they won't testify so he was going to continue yeah to to fuck with witnesses and to to scare people and intimidate them damn for the coggins family many of whom were hearing the details of the murder for the very first time the grand jury was obviously a very difficult experience to say the least sitting directly behind frank gebhardt during the hearing heather cogan said it's always difficult when someone isn't sorry for what they've done when you understand they're not sorry for what they've
done it makes it easier for you to not be sorry for what's going to happen to them yeah because it's like he sat in court unapologetic completely without any without any remorse whatsoever so ever sitting in front of this man's family yeah and knowing that like oh and for Tim Coggins family to have to sit behind this man and see this man whose hands were capable of doing what they did to their loved one to be in the same room with somebody that hateful toward your race must be one of the scariest like most intimidating experiences like the fact that they had to sit there for this and we're we're
willing to is remarkable it's yeah it's just it's and for this guy to be completely unapologetic and zero remorse and to fathom and only worried about his own ass it's like yeah that must be a whole new level of just to sit in the same room with him to fathom that that guy is is breathing the same air as yeah but luckily the judge ruled in favor of the prosecution, and on December 5th, a grand jury was convened, who also sided with the district attorney, agreeing that the case against both men should go to trial.
So Frank Gebhardt's trial began in late June of 2018, and in her opening statement, Murray Browder replayed the theory that Tim was murdered because of his relationship with Mickey Guy, but also noted that the murder likely would have been solved decades ago had it not been for the racist ideologies that permeated local law enforcement agencies.
She told the jury the sad and incredibly bleak truth.
She said they didn't care about Timothy Coggins and then she asked them to atone for the sins of the past. Frank's defense attorney, Scott Johnston, seized on Broder's remarks about the shoddy initial investigation, emphasizing that the state's case was built on nothing more than circumstantial evidence and hearsay testimony from several known criminals.
He noted the missing pieces of critical evidence, including the makeshift club, extra clothing and the jack daniels bottle asking rhetorically where did it go according to johnston it was incumbent upon the state to prove his client's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the prosecution quote shouldn't get a pass just because the case is old the fact that this is even being like brought into the conversation is wild is insane and also like the what about the evidence that is there i'm sorry is all that shit we're ignoring that in your backyard what's in your backyard well that's a thing i'm like
i'm sorry you got you got bloody shirts in your backyard and also victim shoes you gotta explain to me logically and realistically how these inmates regardless of how shitty they are knew that these things were in that well if that man didn't put them in that well and tell them that he put them in that well exactly people didn't even know that well existed he said he hit it and literally built a shed over over it and he did but then you found all the stuff that people said was going to be there there he i mean jesus this guy even said of all the knives that they confiscated they're not going to
find the one that i did it with because i threw that down the well well and then they found it in the well i'm sorry how do you explain that exactly like legal bullshit doesn't do shit for me with that it's like no explain it explain it in reality exactly every step how that makes any fucking sense any other way, but he put that shit down there after he committed the crime.
His argument essentially was like they didn't have some of the clothing in the Jack Daniels bottle or the makeshift club.
It's like, okay, but they found one of the murder weapons because, again, there were various.
And the victim's clothing.
And the victim's clothing and shoes.
Like, I'm sorry, no. Like a tattered shirt.
There comes a time when you have to hang it up.
Exactly. Hang it up.
But it wasn't just the missing evidence and questionable character of informants that was working against Broder in the district attorney's office.
Much of the newly collected evidence, like the recordings of Frank and the evidence discovered in the well, did present challenges.
The defense pointed to the discrepancies in the various confessions, noting specifically that the motives seemed to differ between racism and drugs, depending on who was asked.
And after more than 30 years, it was reasonable, quote unquote, to question whether the rumors and boasting from Frank were exactly that.
Exaggerations and lies.
Finally, when it came to the evidence in the well, the defense noted that it had been so degraded by the elements that it was impossible to conclusively connect it to Tim Coggins.
Maybe forensically, but come the fuck on.
Like I get that. I get if you're if you're coming down to like brass tacks and like forensically, we cannot conclusively link this.
OK, that's reality.
Like that is reality.
I get that. But for me, science, that's it.
But if I was sitting on that jury and I heard six people said this this specific shit was going to be found in this well and then it was found in this well and this man could confess to murder and his girlfriend was cheating on him with this man that was was murdered and he had known ties to the KKK and KKK infiltrated law enforcement, reasonable doubt gone.
There's a lot here.
Reasonable doubt gone.
Call it all circumstantial, but that's a lot.
That's a lot. That's the thing.
And there are cases that there's way, even way less circumstantial evidence.
That have been convicted.
Still gets a conviction, exactly.
Yeah. But despite the, I don't know, despite the quote -unquote lack of evidence, it's hard to even call it that.
I know, it literally is quote -unquote.
But, you know, Broder remained laser -focused on the brutality of the killing and the racist motive for the crime.
She said, it deserved fire and passion.
I wanted those jurors mad about what happened to Tim Coggins.
I wanted them rocking back on their heels.
So the prosecution called more than a dozen witnesses and used every piece of evidence to demonstrate how Frank Gebhardt's racist views and connections to the KKK had not only led to Tim's murder, but also contributed to a casual conspiracy to cover up his involvement in the crime.
In his closing arguments, the defense made one last attempt to undermine the case against his client.
He insisted, It's a made -up story.
It's a reasonable doubt because it's a made -up story.
But are all the things they found in the well made up?
Is that made up? Or is that physically something that you can look at?
I'll never be past that.
No. The well, I'm sorry, I can't get past the well.
If they didn't have the well, I could see there being a reasonable doubt.
Yeah, because I could see just...
There's just no evidence.
Legally, I could see there being reasonable doubt.
Legally, exactly. And it's like, but I can't get past the well.
I can't get past the well.
But reminding the jury where the witnesses had come from, he said, it's just trash.
That's what those witnesses amount to.
That's what all your jailhouse witnesses amount to is just trash.
The same thing that was found in the well.
To say that that evidence that was found in the well is just trash.
If they're all singing the same tune and the tune happens to be correct, yeah, they're garbage, but they were right.
I don't know what to tell you.
To call that evidence that they found in that well trash, I take my trash out once a week.
Never have I ever found a murder victim's shoe.
Never have I ever had a bloody t -shirt covered like tattered because yeah, somebody was stabbed wearing it Never have I ever found a murder weapon that matched the exact murder weapon of a victim that I had ever been tied to No That's not just trash.
That's what doesn't it just doesn't Vibe like that's not a riveting argument.
No But despite the degraded evidence and the questionable and criminal character of the witnesses The jury did not take long in their deliberation before returning to the courtroom to announce that after 33 years, Frank Gebhardt was guilty on five counts, including first degree murder, battery, and assault.
After sentencing him to life in prison plus an additional 30 years, Judge Fletcher Sams addressed Frank Gebhardt saying, hopefully, sir, you have stabbed your last victim.
Wow. Later when asked what it was that swayed the jury the most, the foreman said we counted 17 times that Mr. Gebhardt admitted to the murder in some kind of way over the years.
And that's just the way the ones that have come out.
17 times. 17 times he has admitted to that.
17 times that they have been able to find or hear about.
You don't accidentally high on drugs admit to a murder 17 times.
17 times that you didn't commit.
No. Exactly. That you didn't commit.
It doesn't fly. Now, remember, there's another person here.
For Bill Moore, who was scheduled to go on trial in a few months, the conviction was an ominous sign of things to come.
So a few days later, he agreed to a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
I'm sorry, what? I don't know why this deal was presented.
I think they could have convicted him.
Wow. I don't know all the logistics, but wow.
He got a 20 -year sentence.
A 20 -year sentence.
sentence i think a lot of it had to do with the fact that the murder weapon was was found in frank's uh wow on his property and the fact that he had in many of those confessions said he was the one who stabbed timothy coggins but manslaughter 20 years for this crime that's outrageous were they at least they must have been older at this point at least like middle -aged yeah you know Absolutely.
It was 33. I think they were around their early 20s when this happened.
So, like, in their 50s or something like that?
Yeah. And Frank was already in jail.
Yeah. But on October 19th, 2021, Moore died at the Augusta State Medical Prison after serving just two years of his sentence.
Whoops. Rest in distress, asshole.
Whoops. For Coleman and Broder, the investigation and trial were just the first important step to righting the countless wrongs that have been committed against Spalding County's black community by local law enforcement for decades.
Broder told a reporter, this case changed me forever.
I had never experienced evil purely based on someone's skin.
You really know nothing and you have to recognize that and say this happened.
It happens and in order to confront this evil, you cannot shy away from it.
You have to confront it head on.
Wow. It gives me chills.
For the Coggins family, the convictions were a remarkable turning point they never expected to see.
No, they probably thought they would go to their graves, never having anything happen in this case.
For more than three decades, they had been denied justice and just left to wonder, not wonder what happened to Tim because they saw that he was brutalized, but they didn't know the specifics and they didn't know who had done this to their loved one.
and some of them were unable to ever get those horrific images of his brutalized body out of their minds because remember law enforcement was circulating a photo trying to get an id on tim but thanks to the hard work of jared colman oscar jordan daryl dix and marie broader among others they could put those thoughts to rest somewhat and move forward remembering and celebrating tim for the person they remembered him to be unfortunately tim coggins mom viola didn't technically live to see justice carried out but and this will make you possibly cry or like have chills in some other worldly way she
did see justice and wesley lowry's article about the about tim's case for gq which i definitely recommend it's going to be linked in the show notes definitely read it he opens up by recounting the night that viola had somewhat of a vision into the future she was pretty much on her deathbed and her daughter talisa was there making her her comfortable and viola declared just seemingly out of nowhere they found out who killed tim and this was before i literally just it went she continues and she continued they found out who killed tim i ain't gonna be here for it but they're gonna get who killed
tim oh my god i feel you do you ever feel chills in your head yes yeah it's like a weird like all the way up to my skull it's like a whoosh holy shit I don't know what she saw and for her to say I'm not gonna be here for it but they're gonna get it fuck yeah they are a mama always knows and I'm happy that while she didn't get like physical piece she knew she got some kind of piece she saw something wherever she was who like i guess she hadn't like eaten really in days i i want to say it was either kidney failure or liver failure i think it was kidney failure but she was like in the throes of that and then
all of a sudden came to and said that to her daughter talisa and it was like she hadn't she hadn't said much in days and imagine being talisa on the day that they were sentenced oh my god sitting there being like she was right like she knew oh i'm i can't like i just keep getting chills i'm so happy that she got that and 20 though me too in 2020 uh talissa coggins told wesley lowry black people have a way because of all that we've been through the way we the way we was raised forgiveness is the first thing that black people learn after all the stuff that black people have endured from slavery
up till now we are still a forgiving people wow it's like that makes you want to cry that like forgiveness is the first thing you have to learn as a black person because your whole life you're gonna have to that like you you people are going to wrong you like people are going to wrong you and you learn this whole history of how everyone before you like in your community was wronged and how to move on and just to end that with we're still forgiving people damn like that's a big person yeah that family's a very impressive family i I found this case actually through Wesley Lowry's GQ article, and he
opens it up with that story of Viola, and I read that first couple paragraphs, and I was like, we have to cover this.
Like, we have to cover this.
It's such a gut -wrenching story.
Oh, it's a horrific story.
But the fact that after 33 years, that family got justice, Talissa got to see it, Viola knew it was coming.
She knew it was coming.
and oscar jordan a black man who was taken off the case got to arrest those racist motherfuckers the fact that they called him back to i'm like absolutely incredible you can't write that like that is and i was the whole time you were talking when after he was taken off the case i was like he's gotta come back this man doesn't get some part of this like justice here i'm gonna be so angry just because like he was so close and they just yanked him away right when he had it and like Like Sheriff Daryl Dix deputizing him in that county or however it had to work.
And the fact that he was like, fuck that.
The fact that Dix was like, I'm not continuing this same way that we've been going down here.
We owe this to the black community in our area.
We owe this and then something.
It's about time, people.
You know, that kind of stuff.
People step up. Wow.
wow i'm very happy that that story has at least an ending that is satisfying you know like in a justice sense okay like something something right came out of that and i just wanted like i'm i'm so happy that viola viola excuse me somehow knew that it's like otherworldly and you just have to wonder what did where she was and what she saw like yeah just i i just like go into this like like different part of my mind to like trying to picture that you're out i'm it's crazy it's a crazy story wow it's really sad but i'm happy that it ends the way that it does it's one that needs to be told yes so with all
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