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Hey weirdos, I'm Alina.
I'm Ash. And this is Morbid.
and that's the computer and that is life save it for the outtakes oh i said that in my send it to daryl voice and i'm wearing that sweatshirt hey look at that hey uh so hey what's going on we We just changed the lighting in this room because we got little fancy light bulbs.
Yair. On Mikey's recommendation.
And that was a great recommendation that he had.
Yeah, they're these cool light bulbs.
And you can change them to different moods.
Yeah. Right now, we're in peaceful.
Yeah, earlier it was so dreamy.
But I was like, it's a little too dreamy in here.
I think I'm about to z -z -z -z off to sleep.
It's because it's gloomy outside of Massachusetts today, which is delightful.
Yeah, always welcome.
you're welcome but you can't have too dreamy a mood when it's gloomy outside or you'll just fall asleep exactly and we have a ton of candles lit and stuff so the vibe is right it's hella cozy in here it's hella cozy and it smells like the witchiest shop you've ever walked into it does i just did some sage before that i went and did some palo santo we really have cleansed our asses up in here not like a not like an enema but like a i did like a spiritual enema yeah there you go A spiritual enema occurred in this room.
And we feel good. Yeah.
Yeah. How do you feel today, listener?
How do you feel? Let us know, listener.
Hello, listeners. Everybody listening was just like, what the fuck?
Like, did we break up?
Like, are you dating someone else?
Why are you calling me listener?
Weirdo. Weirdo. How do you feel today, listener?
Who was that in my body?
It was a soul. It was.
It was a soul. it was it was it was what's happening i don't know i'm so tired i had more end of the world anxiety last night so i didn't sleep good somebody a couple people messaged me actually and were like ash i felt crazy that i had end of the world anxiety until you said you had it and like that made me feel better so you are seen you're all in this together yeah i reached out out to a therapist last night.
It's true. And then me and Mikey were like, we will be very real with you and try to logic it to the other side.
It really did help.
So you know, we try.
Thank you. We're all in this together, guys.
We're all just trying to get through the day.
You know? Couldn't have said it better myself.
Just trying to get to lunch, really.
Yeah, and we did that.
We did that. With some chicken fingers.
We did. We had chicken fingers, so we're okay.
Anyway. Quick little side note.
What's up? Just before we restart okay um takis controversial what the fuck is up with those uh i know weird out of the blue but it's not if you were in my head because or in the room or in the room i keep seeing people eating takis and i was like well i love a strange snack so like let's do this and they usually they're they're like fiery they're spicy and i love a spicy moment and i've never had them so So today I said to Mikey and Ash, I said, I want Takis.
And they said, order Takis on DoorDash.
Why leave the house?
We live in the 21st century.
You can have whatever you want.
Go get you some Takis.
So I did. I ordered one and I said, oh, this is yummy.
It's very artificial, but it's very spicy.
And I enjoy that. You liked it in the moment.
I had one bite and I was like, too spicy.
Too spicy. I liked the spice, but I was like, wow, this is extraordinarily artificial.
And I like Taco Bell.
So that's saying something.
Yeah, that's the most artificial.
But I was like, okay, like this is fine.
Within 10 minutes, I felt like I was going to throw up for like 20 minutes.
And I was like, oh, I'm not going to eat Takis again.
And that's the thing.
I'm not saying Takis are like poisonous or something, you know, like I'm not trying to down Takis.
They just aren't for me.
And I'm a little sad about it.
And I just wanted to share that with you guys.
That's the thing. You were really excited to try them?
Yeah. And I think I'm a little sad to know that my body has like a food boundary.
A limit. it yeah i've never met i've never met that boundary before and i just met it with takis do you remember when i met it with the captain crunch slurpee yes we all know when you met it that was crazy that was such a different time in my life where i was willing to put a 711 captain crunch slurpee that i bought for perhaps 90 maybe 89 cents it was it was was fucking the most artificial blue.
And then let me tell you something.
I was blue for quite some time.
You were green. But yeah, it's a weird moment when you figure out like, oh, I can't just eat anything.
Growing up is weird. It's horrible.
And again, weird because I've never, I love spice and I still like, it just made me feel yucky for a little while.
So I was like, oh, maybe that was just a little too much. And that's the thing.
It wasn't even like Like you ate them too fast or anything like that?
No, I just had a couple.
She just had a few.
You don't even have that many, really.
No, but me and Takis, we're not.
That was Elena's Taki journey.
That was my Taki journey, and I just wanted to share that with you.
Now, you can't do the thing that they do on TikTok.
Remember we were talking about it the other day?
With the pickle? I wanted to have you try that.
You wanted to have me try that.
I love that. No, honestly, I wanted to try it until I had a Taki, and I was like, I don't like this.
I was like, but I want to have you try that.
It's a sad day when you meet your food limit.
and you meet your maker the taco yeah that is a sad day i thought it was happening for a second but alas i did not i'm good now though yeah you look great she dyed her hair darker yeah i dyed my hair darker i ate a cadbury egg and i was right as rain everyone's like maybe that's what no i'm just kidding everybody's like where what boundary is that explain your boundary if you don't like cadbury eggs you can get the fuck out of your cream eggs guys so good so good i even even like the caramel ones yeah those are the cream ones are my favorite superior yeah but you know what we're not here to talk
about that nope but you know we have we had to get our you guys are like who we talk to so we had to like get all that out real quick no one else cares about my talkie journey yeah our two minute like hey what's up corner yeah listener listener dear listener so we are in a part two situation right now yes and i left you guys on a little bit of like a excuse me, what?
Yeah, I was pissed at you.
Yeah, and it was mostly because, like, this whole next part of this is just so infuriating at times, and you can just see how ridiculous and how negligent a lot of this was.
So when we left you, we were talking about Detective Eddie Bulger there, the detective who was incredibly racist. I was going to say the racist part.
I was like, I don't know a nice way to say that, and I don't care.
uh so he's an incredibly racist detective and he was kicked off of the case and then he decided to insert himself back into it he apparently photos were found in george whitmore's coat pockets they were of a woman he said he found those in the trash and then he was just using them to like kind of like hype himself up to his friends and be like this is my girlfriend yeah you know he's a young kid yeah he's a like you know like he's like he's he's a teen and like i i have a feeling feeling he has nothing to do with this that's adorable it is it was in a weird way he's just trying to be like this is my
girlfriend yeah and detective bulger there decided to declare that that person in those photos was janice wiley incorrect i feel so now he is being charged like he's being looked at and suspected at the very least of killing janice and emily yeah and that's where i left you which was like oh no what's gonna happen that really is where you quite now detectives interrogated you're like you quite literally ruined my life pretty much so detectives interrogated george whitmore for 26 straight hours jesus 26 straight hours and after which he not only confessed to the assaults of elba barrero but also to
the murders of janice wiley and Emily Hoffert.
Yeah, after 26 hours of straight prodding I might confess to a lot of shit that I didn't do.
I think a lot of people would.
He also confessed to the murder of Minnie Edmonds who we talked about that was killed a week before Elba Barrero was attacked.
At no time was he informed of his rights or asked whether he wanted a lawyer.
The interrogation resulted in him signing signing a 61 -page confession that included very intimate details of the Wiley -Hofford murders only the killer would have information about or someone that was at the scene.
Or the detectives. Including descriptions of the broken bottle during the attack and the knives used to kill both women, the fact that the knives broke, like all those little details that they hadn't released to the public yet.
Right. According to the Whitmore statement, he had entered the apartment building unseen.
unseen so he said he somehow got into that apartment building and no one saw him okay um and had been on his way to the roof when inexplicably he just left the stairway and entered the corridor for no reason he couldn't come up with a reason why he did that probably because it didn't happen and he said he entered the corridor on the third floor and just began trying doors until he came to janice and emily's which he found unlocked but it wasn't does Does everyone remember part one?
Uh -huh. That door was locked.
It was locked when Pat got home.
Right. That door was not unlocked.
And they found no evidence that it was unlocked.
In fact, that was what was fucking them up about, like, obviously, aside from the obvious brutality, that's what was fucking them up about this crime scene.
They were like, how did someone get in?
There's no way somebody got in.
There's this open window, but we're on the third floor there's no fire escape but now he's saying in his confession the door was unlocked it reminds me a lot of the Jesse Mescheli thing I was thinking about where there's there's blatantly wrong details but they are just pretending that's fine like just what don't worry about that like no look at this other detail yeah this detail's right though and it's like well that's wrong and that's a big one like that should negate the other ones so for eight months frustrated investigators in Manhattan had been under intense pressure to solve the Wiley -Hoffer
murders at this point.
But they had not made even a single step of progress at this point.
Despite the, you know, a lot of efforts, they were canvassing the whole place and they had unrestrained resources.
Like the entire Manhattan Police Department was on this.
And because of this, reports of Whitmore's arrest came as a huge relief, not only to the residents of New York, but also to the investigators and politicians who were feeling that intense pressure.
So this is not a good mix of things because everybody's like, great, we got someone, don't care if it's the right person.
Within days of his arrest, however, several people began to doubt the credibility of the confession.
At his arraignment for the murder of Minnie Edmonds, he actually recanted his confession, with his lawyer telling the judge that George had been coerced into signing the document by Brooklyn detectives and was beaten into it during that interrogation.
Like, he was very much not doing that under his own volition.
And you know, Detective Bolger, if he was there, you know that guy was definitely beaten.
Yep. That's so sad.
That, like, hurts my heart.
Yeah. And George even, like, requested to take a lie detector to prove that he was telling the truth.
I mean, come on. Like, he's not going to...
Obviously, there are cases where someone's the killer and they're like, yeah, I'll take a lie detector test because they're just so confident, but...
this guy is younger right his IQ is very low oh and he is like not understanding what's going on no one's even and the other thing is like he's not understanding because like he's dealing with that whole thing but also no one's explaining things to him right like no one's even trying to make him understand what's going on so it's like he's not gonna yell I'm gonna take a lie detector test just to be like I can take lie detector test and I can fool it you know like he's doing that because he's like I'm innocent and that'll prove it right and he's a teenager Major?
He's 19. 19 years old.
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Despite his continued claims of innocence, Deputy Police Commissioner Walter Arm told reporters, quote, this man came up with details that could have only been known by, could have been known by no one but the police and the man who committed the crime.
He had information that was never released publicly.
And like, again, we said, The person who committed the crime and the detectives.
Brooklyn District Attorney Edward Silver made similar remarks to the press.
He said, I would not proceed as speedily if I did not have more than a confession.
What else do you have?
So yeah, that's the thing.
Let us know what else you have. Proceed speedily to tell us what else you have. Now, for some of the investigators leading the team in Manhattan, it was really that extent of the details in the confession that were actually suspicious to them as well.
In fact, it was as though the confession was a little too good, a little too detailed.
It didn't just contain information never released to the public.
It contained details about the crime scene so minute that only someone processing the scene with a keen eye would have noticed them.
That's exactly, because in the craziness of all of whatever took place, no killer is going to notice, like, and then this blood stained over here, and I saw it.
he's going to be like it was chaos I know what I did I know what I saw in that moment but that's it but he's like you said he's not going to notice these little details that a crime scene technician would exactly then there was the photographs that were found in George Whitmore's possession at the time of his arrest which detective Bulger claimed were of Janice Wiley when he was shown the photographs he repeated what he said he said that's I don't know who that is I found them in the trash I don't I honestly don't know who that girl is if it's janice wiley i didn't know that i just found them
which of course they were like yeah yeah like likely story but then they asked max wiley janice's father oh no and they had him look at them and he told investigators they were definitely not photos of his daughter and he had never seen the woman in those photos before and he was definitive about that wow and these weren't like strange photographs that you were like i don't know maybe it's a woman like he knows his daughter he's looking at the woman's face he's like that's not my kid like i think he would know yeah and again for this man he's probably hoping they're catching the guy of course
who did this to his daughter so he's gonna hope that this is the guy so he's not gonna if anything he's gonna kind of not hope it's like hard to word it but he's not gonna want this to not be the end of the stuff the closure that they want you know what i mean so for him to say closure Yeah, so for him to say that's not her, that's not her.
Like, he's gonna want this closed.
And if it's not the guy, he wants the right guy.
Like, he wants the right guy off the streets that did this.
Yeah, definitely. Finally, there was also George Whitmore's alibi.
And this one's, this one blows my mind.
He claimed he was at work when this was happening, washing dishes in a Wildwood, New Jersey restaurant at the time of Janice and Emily's murders.
So he's all the way in New Jersey?
That's what he's saying is his alibi.
Nearly all of George's co -workers confirmed that he was at the restaurant at that time, and they distinctly remembered this.
And they said they remember this because we were all watching together a televised speech given by Dr. Martin Luther King at the March on Washington when Whitmore was supposedly in Manhattan killing Janice and Emily.
and that held no ground whatsoever like they were just like what?
All his co -workers were like he was there with us.
He was watching it.
And they're just like nah he wasn't.
Nah he was in Manhattan killing two women.
It's like he's a whole state away.
I know obviously New Jersey and New York are close but like what?
But it's like he has an alibi.
Yeah. That people are confirming.
Like how is that not worth anything?
Oh it makes you feel like so shitty that there wasn't like cameras and shit i know because you're like oh i just want them to be able to see here he is like washing dishes right there now in october whitmore's attorney successfully petitioned the court for his client to at least be evaluated by a psychiatrist at the very least after what he described as quote the longest study of one patient in bellevue's history the hospital's director of psychiatry dr arthur zitrin declared george whitmore sane and able to stand trial for for the murder of Minnie Edmonds.
But although he was declared sane, that didn't necessarily mean that he was competent to stand trial.
Okay. He had actually, like we had said, dropped out of school in the eighth grade, I believe it was, and had an IQ that was well below average.
So he didn't even know what was...
Like, he couldn't understand the complete heaviness and gravity of everything that was happening, And he couldn't understand how he was being fucked with.
Yeah, he's like, I was at work.
Yeah, like, he's just sitting there telling you.
I found them in the garbage.
Yeah, like, he's telling you the truth.
I found these in the garbage.
That's not even of her.
I don't even know her.
I was at work when this happened.
I have people to, like, confirm that for you.
How scary is that? That you can have all of those...
A whole restaurant of co -workers say that you were there.
All of that defense behind you and they can still railroad you.
Yeah. that is so scary and despite that and all the questions surrounding the confession and the supposed evidence against him the district attorney in brooklyn moved forward in the case against george for the assault of elba barrero that's shocking yeah well shocking it is and it's not unfortunately now in november 1964 george whitmore went on trial in brooklyn supreme court for the attempted sexual assault of elba barrero in court barrero told the jury her assailant caught up with her on the sidewalk and grabbed her from behind in november 1964 george whitmore went on trial in brooklyn supreme
court for the attempted sexual assault of elba barrero in court barrero told the jury that whoever attacked her had caught up with her on the sidewalk and had actually grabbed her from behind and she said snatched her pocketbook placed his right hand over her mouth and his left hand around her neck and said if you scream i'll kill you That's so scary.
Now, Barrero then claimed that she and her attacker, quote, walked face to face for two blocks to 192 Bristol Street, where the assailant took her down a flight of stairs to the basement, pressed her against a wall, and briefly removed his hand from her mouth.
This is when she started screaming.
Following her testimony, Elba Barrero again identified George Whitmore as the person who attacked her that day.
Wait, she said they walked face to face?
Yeah. I don't even know how to picture that.
Yeah I don't know if like Like one of them was walking backwards and the other was walking in front of them.
Yeah that's what it sounds to me.
That's how it's described.
I'm not sure exactly what the logistics of that are.
But then she also when it had originally happened said she couldn't quite remember the person's face.
Yeah. So it's just weird how that changed up a little bit.
Like I'm not saying that she's lying.
I'm just like did somebody tell you to say that a certain way so it sounded better?
Yeah there's definitely some strange things surrounding this Because, I mean, right from the way that they made her identify him was completely tainted.
Completely wrong. Yeah.
So it's like a lot of this is like, uh -oh.
From the start. Yeah.
Now under cross -examination, Elba Barrero admitted to Whitmore's defense attorney, Jerome Leftow, that she had already met with lawyers from Newsweek to discuss the $10 ,000 reward money.
And when asked whether she had met with them before or after her appearance before the grand jury, She replied, I don't know.
However, on redirect, she told the assistant district attorney that she had been entirely unaware of their reward when she went before the grand jury.
Okay, so that's a little flip -floppy.
Whatever the intention here is, it's just not coming off clear what's happening here.
You're not coming off clear in what is going on here.
Not at all. And after a week of testimony, the all -white, all -male jury deliberated for nine hours.
So not a jury of his peers whatsoever.
Nope. They deliberated for nine hours before finding Whitmore guilty of the assault and attempted rape of Elba Barrero.
Wow. The conviction carried with it a maximum sentence of 10 years for the attempted rape and five years for the assault.
And they said, quote, unless psychiatrists find him to be a perpetual sexual menace to the community, in that case, he can be imprisoned for life.
Oh, my God. Yeah. And that's just this one crime.
Just others that he's going to trial for.
Yeah, there's more that are coming.
However, Judge David Maubin elected to withhold sentencing in the case pending the outcome of the cases against Whitmore for the Wiley -Hoffert murders and the murder of Minnie Edmonds.
OK. Now, while they waited for the judge's decision, Jerome Lefthau had petitioned the court for a new trial after receiving a sworn affidavit from one of the jurors claiming that, quote, another member of the panel had made invidious remarks to the jury room about black people.
The affidavit also noted that during the trial for the attack on Barrero, jurors were made aware of the additional charges against George Whitmore for the three murders.
others. That is completely not okay.
That's the thing. I'm like, how many conflicts of interest are we at now?
47? And left out, obviously argued that this could have further biased the jury against their client.
They've biased everyone against him from the start.
Putting him in an interrogation room and telling him that's the suspect and then having Alba Barrera identify him, you've already biased her again that she thinks he's a criminal.
Wow. And now he's in there.
You can't tell them that he's up for three murders.
Like, that's, what are you doing?
That's insane. And then this jury member signed a sworn affidavit saying members of this jury are racist and made racist remarks against Black people while deliberating.
That's so heinous. It really, like, that breaks your heart.
What the fuck? And both the prosecution and the judge were wholly resistant to the claims. Didn't want to hear it.
That's also racist. With Judge Malbins telling reporters, quote, I'm not going to make searching inquiry.
We want to protect the sanctity of the jury as to what happens in the jury room during deliberations.
We want to protect this racist -ass jury is basically what that man just said.
Yeah, I want to let them be racist if they want to be racist. I don't, like, no, I'm not doing this.
Wow. Cool. Cool. Meanwhile, one of the jurors later said that he actually heard another juror say in that room, quote this is nothing compared to what he's going to get in new york oh my god so they were well aware and all assumed he was guilty and were like kind of giddy about it like can't wait to watch that that's gross while the prosecution and the majority of law enforcement were honestly committed to believing whitmore's confession and guilt were genuine which is really upsetting there were many who had been skeptical of the case from the start like there were a lot in of investigators that were like,
I don't buy this. Like, I think this is fucked up and dirty, which is at least good.
That's good. Good, I guess.
Now, just two months after his conviction for the attack on Elba Barrero, a source within the Manhattan District Attorney's Office told reporters that the case against Whitmore for the murder of Janice and Emily was, quote, shot full of holes.
Mm -hmm. So he told a reporter, like, this is bullshit.
Wow. Not happening.
Now, officially, the DA's office refused to comment on the state of the case against Whitmore, but many in the press felt that there was a strong possibility that the case was going to be dropped against him.
That's how bad it was.
I hope so. Now the district attorney wasn't the only one skeptical about the potential for a trial against Whitmore.
George's own lawyers were feeling pretty confident that the charges were going to be dropped and they were more than happy to fill in the reasons why.
Like they were like, fuck this.
His lawyers said, quote, the facts show that a picture the police said was of Miss Wiley and was supposedly stolen by Whitmore from her apartment is not a picture of Miss Wiley.
It is instead a picture of a girl named Arlene Franco who lives in Wildwood, New Jersey.
Oh, they found her and that's where he works?
That's where he works, where Whitmore's father runs a junkyard. Dude.
And he said he found it in the trash.
Yeah. Whitmore's lawyers went on to emphasize the number of other discrepancies in the case against George, including that several people placed him in New Jersey at the time of the murders and that he had an intelligence quotient of 60 and could not possibly have comprehended the language in the confession that he supposedly made wow there was no way that he could understand all of that language so it's just point after point after point after point of why he's not guilty oh and that button that was taken that elba barrero had ripped from her attacker's coat yeah the fbi gave a report court that stated
the button did not match Whitmore's coat.
So what are we even fucking doing here?
So they introduced that button in that trial, and they used it kind of as like, here it is, like a smoking button.
Didn't even match. But they said it did?
Yeah. They were like, this is from his coat.
What the fuck? How are you even able to get away with that?
Well, just two months later, Judge David Malbin, who didn't want to hear about the racist jury, wanted to let them be racist if they wanted to.
Did he also not want to hear all the evidence as to why this black man didn't commit this crime.
Yeah, he was like, no, I don't wanna hear it.
He vacated Whitmore's conviction in the Barrero trial after it was determined that the jury had been racially biased and may have been influenced by learning of the other charges against him.
Maybe, perhaps. Weird, two months later, he was like, after all this heat came, he was like, you know what, I think you're right.
On second thought, I just can't sleep at night.
Given the questionable, on second thought, I just can't sleep at night.
It's like, wow. Yeah, given the questionable nature of the confession, and the evidence against him in the other case, we would all assume at this point that the charges are going to be dropped.
Like, looking at everything I've just told you, logical brains would be like, absolutely.
But who's going forward with that?
Based on these fuckers, I'm like, nah.
Yeah. In April, the district attorney in the Edmonds murder case proceeded as though nothing had changed.
I really hope that he, like, ended up suing the district attorney at some point.
In that case, the jury deadlocked, But the prosecutor vowed to try Whitmore again.
What? In the meantime...
Wait, I'm actually shocked that they deadlocked.
Yeah, right? In the meantime, because I think they had nothing.
I think that was literally...
They probably deadlocked based purely on like, some of them were probably racist. Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's like, they didn't have anything in that case.
Like, that was just like, what evidence do you have?
They have that confession.
That's about it. Right.
And it's a shitty confession.
profession in the meantime the district attorney in manhattan decided not to pursue the case against whitmore for the murders of janice and emily but that didn't mark the end of legal troubles for george whitmore don't think that was the end of everything the following year the district attorney in brooklyn retried george for the attack on barrero and he was found again guilty so that was vacated that's why they were able to retry him retried him again for the elba barrero attack and And he was found guilty.
This is literally, this is a manhunt.
And he was sentenced to five to 10 years in prison.
Oh my God. The conviction would be overturned a year later.
But had he already spent a year in prison at that point?
And probably longer.
On the ground that the judge had refused to allow the defense to cross examine police concerning the false confession in the Wiley -Hofford case.
Why? For what reason?
Why not? Just like, nah.
Yeah. I decided I can't sleep at night these days.
Different judge? No, well, that was the same judge that they were, they were talking about.
That's why it was overturned.
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Now, the same year, it was alleged that Whitmore was actually under the influence of Truth Serum, which he, when he was evaluated at Bellevue Hospital, that, like, before this all started.
Okay. Finally, that came out.
That's kind of shaky, right?
That's kind of shaky.
But he was under the influence of that.
And during that time, he kept insisting he was innocent.
So not shaky right now.
They usually use Truth Serum to be like, tell us that you did it.
Yeah. And he was like, no, I'm innocent.
And his confession, he kept saying the confession was coerced.
I was beaten into saying this.
And because of this, there was an investigation requested into this because now they're like, wait a second.
Did you beat him into this?
Now, days after this was revealed, New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller refused the request for an investigation.
He said he, quote, had no jurisdiction over the courts and therefore it would be inappropriate to seek to intervene in matters pending before them.
he's like i don't want to like seek out justice you know like we don't want to do that it's like i don't want to make sure that people aren't being beaten into into confessions we don't want to check up on any of our systems in place we just want to let them roll you know that that answer is essentially why bother why bother yeah i don't really want to is really the answer i don't feel like doing it like it the da's office tried whitmore for a third time and he was again Again convicted and sentenced to five to ten years in prison.
How many years and years of this man's life were disrupted because of this?
Dealing with this shit.
By 1972, George Whitmore had begun to lose complete hope of clearing his name.
Like, he was like, this is it.
Then a journalist from the New York World -Telegram received an affidavit from Elba Barrero's sister, stating that prior to identifying George Whitmore as her attacker, Elba had already identified two other men as the assailant kind of iconic that her sister was like hey I love my sister but it was in an affidavit she was being truthful on the affidavit saying like I'm not saying he didn't do it I'm not saying she's not but I'm just telling you she identified two other guys before that so that doesn't hold a lot of weight wow the way he was is identified in the fact that two other people had already
been identified I mean come on and how many years later did this come out like Jesus Christ this poor fucking man yeah and in fact Elba had only identified Whitmore after detective Bulger racist motherfucker had made her aware of the ten thousand dollar reward being offered by Newsweek so they literally just waved a bag A bag of cash in her fucking face.
And that is precisely when she agreed to change her statement.
That's disgusting. That is disgusting.
Like, I know that's a lot of money, but that's not worth sending somebody to jail for.
That's disgusting. That's a human being that you're falsely, yeah.
Like, that's fucked up.
That's on another level.
At the request of the newly appointed Brooklyn District Attorney, Eugene Gold, the case was reopened.
And the statements from Elba's sister were confirmed.
and that's when Whitmore's convictions were overturned and he was officially exonerated.
So luckily the new Brooklyn district attorney was like, whoa, whoa, open that shit back up, put these in here, like put all this new information in here and he got it overturned.
Wow. After being released from prison in 1973, George sued for violations of his civil rights, but he lost his case.
In what fucking world?
and received no compensation.
How did he lose that case?
No compensation. What?
This whole legal circus and truly nightmare he found himself in.
For years and years.
Actually ended up being one of the catalysts for abolishing the death penalty in New York as well.
And it also aided in the Supreme Court's Miranda ruling in 1966 that guarantees criminal suspects the right to consult with an attorney.
Oh, wow. Okay. So something good came out of it somewhere.
i suppose that's the thing though it's like yeah because i know we talk about the death penalty a lot and like you say like you're a little less gray i'm always pretty gray but then a case like this comes along and it's like that'll throw you for a loop that yes like genuinely because he would have been facing the death penalty you can fuck it up so badly and then what if all of that came to light after they had already put this man to death yeah like he was he would have been sent to death for these murders wow that's that like that actually just turned my stomach yeah and And what makes the cases
against George Whitmore so egregious is that the charges against him in the two Brooklyn cases were mostly just a pretense that would have validated the charges against him for the murders of Janice and Emily.
Right. Making Eddie Bulger there and the Brooklyn detectives look like fucking heroes.
That was the whole, the whole thing behind this was Eddie Bulger and his little cronies wanted to look like fucking superheroes at the end of the day.
Please tell me that that man got karma.
Please tell me. The problem here was that even before Whitmore went on trial for the attack of Elba Barrero, investigators in Manhattan were fairly certain he had nothing to do with the Wiley -Hoffer murders.
Investigators were like, no, we don't think he did this.
So, even though Detective Bolger was like, I want to get my hero status and get this all, most of the investigators were like, fuck off, this doesn't work.
In October 1964, police arrested, out of, this was like something totally different, arrested 35 -year -old Nathan Delaney.
for the murder of a rival drug dealer.
Oh, wow. As this was his third arrest for a violent crime, Delaney knew he could receive the death penalty.
That's a three -strikes rule.
It's a three -strikes rule for the murder.
So he offered to tell the DA the name of the real killer in the Wiley -Hoffer case.
Damn. At the time, there was still intense pressure to close this case, and the DA's office knew the case against Whitmore was in shambles, like he didn't do it.
So they agreed to Delaney's conditions.
Because remember, there's still a case against George Whitmore for this part.
Yeah. They only were able to exonerate him for the Alba Barrero situation.
And Minnie's murder, right?
And Minnie Edmonds.
But like this, they're still - This was still hanging over his head.
They were still trying to fit pieces into this one.
Now, according to Nathan Delaney, he had been at home on the afternoon of August 28th, 1963, which is when Janice and Emily were killed.
And he said there was a knock on his door.
So he opens the door and Delaney was surprised because he saw his acquaintance, whose name is Richard Ricky Robles.
He was covered in blood and visibly shaken.
Now, Ricky, who had just been released from prison, told Delaney that he had gone out looking for drug money and had killed two women.
What? And the way he said it was that he said, quote, he just iced two dames.
What the fuck? That's how he described it.
And Delaney claimed he gave Robles a new set of clothes and his wife, Delaney's wife, gave him a garbage bag for the bloody clothes, which I was like, wow.
You guys are disgusting.
Now, Nathan Delaney agreed to wear a wire.
Holy shit. And together with his wife present, they engaged Ricky Robles in the conversation, just a regular conversation.
And during that whole time talking, he again admitted to killing Janice and Emily.
on the wire they were able to like steer the conversation to like remember that time and he was like oh absolutely so he was just looking for drug money he was so we'll go he'll explain so all of this was recorded him admitting to the whole thing and it was submitted to the prosecutor and the taped confession was enough to get a warrant for his arrest and ricky robles was taken into custody on january 27th 1965 at the station ricky robles maintained his innocence sense and asked for a lawyer.
So nice that they gave him that, in case you were wondering, he is white.
Yeah. So he got a lawyer and he was registered.
And I'm sure they read him his full rights, yep.
He was promptly provided a lawyer and the two were left alone in the administrative office.
And after about 25 minutes, Robles' lawyer needed to leave the room and ask the officers waiting outside to watch his client until he came back.
In the interrogation room, the detectives offered Ricky some food and he declined.
And at which point one of them said, Rick, did you ever think it would wind up like this?
And without thinking, he replied, he thought it would from what he read in the newspapers, that he thought someday he would be arrested for killing those two girls.
So his lawyer left the room after 25 minutes to go like get something to eat or drink or like piss or something like that just for a second.
And those detectives were like, hey, Ricky, you do this?
And he was like, sure did.
Sure did. Like, as soon as his lawyer left. So does that matter, though, that his lawyer had left the room?
Is that a conflict?
I think it ended up working out.
It worked out. Okay, okay.
So I think it's fine.
It's okay. Because I think it was just in casual—like, they weren't interrogating him.
They were just like, did you ever think— That was just convo.
And they didn't even say, did you ever think you would get caught?
They just said, do you ever think it would wind up this way?
Yeah, that's innocuous.
And he was like, yeah, it's crazy.
I murdered people. And they were like, wow, I didn't know you were going to say that.
Like, I don't understand.
So when they asked what happened, Robles replied, don't know.
I went to pull a lousy burglary and I wound up killing two girls.
Just to be that callous about it?
Now, according to Robles, this is what happened.
He had gone out that morning with the intention of finding an apartment to rob, which is what led him to the building on East 88th Street, which he said he chose because there was no doorman at the time.
I thought there was though.
There was a doorman, but I don't know if the doorman was on break or like wasn't at the door at the time.
When he entered the lobby, no one was present.
So he just walked right in.
And he was able to get into the maintenance corridor and found his way to the third floor.
That's terrifying. When he found all the doors locked, including Janice and Emily's, because remember, it was locked.
Even though George Whitmore's confession said it was unlocked, locked.
Uh -huh. Ricky Robles is saying it was locked.
That's a big part of this.
They were all locked.
Robles poked his head out of the windows and saw that a window in apartment 3C was open.
So he's in the maintenance like hall.
The corridor. And there's windows.
He peeked out the window in the corridor saw that there was an apartment with a window open.
So he climbed out on the ledge and slid over to the window.
So he did scale the building.
Which is how he got into the apartment.
So one of my My comments in part one was like he couldn't, like, nobody could, like, scale a building.
He literally essentially did.
So technically he didn't scale up.
No, right. But he scaled over.
Sideways. What the fuck?
Which they were not even thinking that was a possibility.
Because you really wouldn't.
Like, a third floor in New York, like, obviously that's not super high for New York, but.
But, like, you're going to land on concrete.
It's like, that's dangerous.
Like, that's a broken boat at the very least. Wow.
You think you're safe at that point.
You're on the third floor.
Yeah. Like, why not leave your window open?
He went over a ledge to get into that apartment.
That's terrifying. So Janice Wiley was just in her room.
And this man just crawls through the apartment window.
And she's probably getting ready for work at this point.
Like ready to head out for her day.
So once inside the apartment, Ricky Robles found Janice Wiley in her bedroom.
He said, quote, with a sheet wrapped around her.
And he said he immediately decided to sexually assault her.
Oh my God. So she was still sleeping.
Yeah. Yeah. Now, according to Delaney's wife, while he was assaulting Janice, Robles, quote, heard the front door and he got up against the wall.
And then the girl with the glasses came in.
That's Emily. Just as she got to him, he tried to take her glasses off her face as soon as she walked in.
And she said, don't touch me.
Leave my glasses alone.
So as Robles tied the two women together, he heard Janice tell Emily to do as he said and they won't get hurt.
So Janice was being like, let's just do as whatever he says and we're not going to...
She really thought they weren't going to get hurt.
Oh my God. But Emily was angry.
Yeah, I would be fucking angry too.
And she sees this guy sexually assaulting her friend and roommate.
And you're pissed. And she's panicked too.
And so she repeatedly had said she wanted to, quote, get a good look at him to identify him later.
Oh man. And she was trying, like she was pissed.
Yeah. But this caused Ricky Robles to panic.
And he went into the kitchen where, according to Delaney's wife, he thought it over and in about five minutes decided he was going to kill them.
With his decision made, Robles grabbed the glass bottle, a kitchen knife, and then returned to the bedroom and stabbed both women to death.
With both of them finally dead, he stole about $20 or $30 from Emily's purse and then fled the building.
and they were each stabbed over 60 times with three broken bottle a knife that ended up breaking and then a bigger knife so he went back and forth between that kitchen at least twice did he ever did they ever say if he was like under the influence because that just seems he was um he was a heroin addict and he was breaking into this apartment to get money to get more heroin so that is part of this is that he was that was the intention here is to get money right and he He specifically, he is quoted as saying to get more heroin.
That was the whole point.
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So that's why this happened.
And that's when I did it.
And it's like, no, you piece of shit.
That wasn't it. No. Like, you're a piece of shit, and you were going to, like...
Like, just run out of the apartment.
Don't try to put it on her.
Because that's the thing.
it's like she's saying i want to get a good look at you get out of there yeah get out of there get the fuck out of there then shouldn't be here in the fucking first place yeah cover your face and run out wow but i just don't like regardless of whether she said that or not because we don't know if she said that the only people who know whether she said that is janice and emily and him and he's the only one that can talk and to be quite honest he's not fucking credible as far as i'm concerned so he's a piece of shit so ricky robles went on trial for the murders in october 1965 and a jury deliberated
for five hours before finding him guilty you scared me guilty of two charges of felony murder in the first degree good after the verdict was read reporters asked assistant da john keenan why police had pursued george whitmore when they knew he was not the real killer and keenan replied quote there were good and bad policemen and he insisted that the the defense had used Whitmore as a, quote, smoke screen to cloud the case.
At least he was honest. Like, there's some bad fucking policemen out there.
That's the truth. They were on it.
There are bad ones.
A month later, Ricky Robles was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 26 years.
Why? Yeah. He is also, you know, he's not getting parole.
It's not happening.
No. Now, once investigators settled on George Whitmore as their suspect, nearly everyone seemed convinced of his guilt and never bothered to consider any alternatives.
And look what happened, regardless of any of the evidence.
After being kicked off the case in Manhattan, Detective Eddie Bulger believed his arrest of Whitmer would make his career and vindicate him in the eyes of anyone who disapproved of his methods.
That was his whole thing.
How did that turn out for you?
I was like, did that help?
Yeah, did that work out?
You also hope that...
I mean, this is very obvious that he just steamrolled this entire thing.
Yeah. Was any action taken against him?
neither he nor anyone else involved in the false imprisonment and false arrest of george whitmore were ever held accountable at all for any of the reprehensible actions that they committed nope wow they got nothing wow the fact that this man like we were just saying like steamrolled this entire fucking thing totally derailed it just was like bye see you later like this is what i think so this is what happened and let's just throw this poor man in jail forever and he just got to he just got to keep on doing that probably who knows how many other cases race factored into that he was on exactly and he
probably just did that like do you do the same thing like our other where other people falsely imprisoned because of him like this isn't the first time he's done this or the last time like this is not something you just do and that who who's i forget who the person was that made the comment of like there are good and bad police it's like you sit there and you admit that and nothing is done about it?
Yeah, nothing's done.
They got nothing. Wow, what a frustrating case.
Yeah. I'm glad that at the end, like, obviously, like, it's horrible.
But I'm glad that at the end of the day, the right person got put into prison.
But it's like, but it's, but it's, he didn't.
So after he was released from prison, George Whitmore went back to New Jersey, where he briefly owned and operated a fishing boat.
Well, good for him.
And eventually worked who'd worked odd jobs and just floated around.
And George, he struggled a lot after this.
He went through a lot, and he ended up dying of a heart attack on October 8, 2012 at the age of 68.
That's so young. Although his case and exoneration have become one of the most taught examples of coercion and false duress in the United States, the state of New York never made any attempt to right the wrongs committed against him or take responsibility for anything that happened during this.
Just the fact that he sued and didn't get anything in return, what he was put through is out, but it's so similar to the Jesse, Miss Kelly and the West Memphis three of it all.
They don't get anything.
Just get out of here and shut up.
Yeah, and deal with the rest of your life.
Deal with what's happening.
Wow. Now, Ricky Robles, when this was all going on, because remember, he was just out in the world while George Whitmore was being railroaded here.
He watched the whole thing play out.
He watched Whitmore almost die for what he had done, and he was quoted as saying, quote, I didn't know what to do.
I didn't know how to get him off.
And then he said, I didn't want the guy to go to the electric chair, but how could I help him without implicating myself?
Well, that's the whole thing.
You couldn't, but you knew what to do.
Why can't you implicate yourself?
This man should pay for what you did.
And it's like, you did it.
He didn't. Like, that's what?
what that's somebody that just like doesn't have a conscience or a soul and like that's that's completely soulless no and there is there's a lot of sadness at the end of this case too so following the death of his daughter max wiley did become like a crusader against you know these kind of crimes and he ended up authoring a book in 1964 titled career girl watch your step uh like many in the media and law enforcement at the time max wrote no matter how accustomed to your own community you may become never grow to feel safe in it feel threatened you are threatened you are never safe that is such
a social commentary on being a woman yeah no on september 24th 1968 janice's mother isabel actually died from cancer oh god and the following year janice's sister pam died of pneumonia oh my god so he was like just alone he lost everyone with his children and after so much tragic loss in like the smallest span of time in just like quick trigger warning because this is a very sad end to this case max wily checked into a motel in fredericksburg virginia on september 21st 1975 and after calling the front desk to report that he was having a heart attack he shot himself in the head with a 38 caliber
revolver oh my god yeah Yeah.
During the trial, it was also learned that during the initial canvas, the police had spoken to Ricky Robles.
No. But his mother lied to detectives and told them on the day of the murders her son was at her apartment asleep on the couch. You know, there's no excuse for that.
There's no fucking excuse for that.
You can't see me, but I'm flipping this woman off right now.
No. Fuck you. No. No. Two people's daughters were viciously, brutally, savagely murdered by your son?
You can go ahead and say, I don't think he did it, but you know full well he was not asleep on your couch. Yeah, you don't lie, man.
I understand the inherent need or urge to protect your child, but not when they're in the wrong like that.
And you don't lie. You don't lie.
say he was there when he wasn't because it's like dude that's gonna come back you don't know that you're that's gonna come back and how do you i'm sorry how do you live with yourself yeah i couldn't derailing and that's the thing derailing the investigation and then look at george whitmore exactly like come on man what a frustrating case all the way to the very end ricky robles maintained his innocence until 1986 when hoping that he was going to win parole he admitted to the parole board that he murdered janice wiley and emily hoffert and robles has consistently He's consistently been denied parole and is currently
serving his sentence at the Attica Correctional Facility in upstate New York.
Wow. Because after he admitted to it, he, of course, was like, no, I'm innocent.
This is all bullshit.
And that is the career girl martyrs case.
Oh, what a tragic, frustrating.
Janice Wiley and Emily Hoffert.
So sad. And just how senseless that was.
And the brutality attached to such a senseless murder.
Yeah. Wow. wow wow like flabbergasting it really is it's the crime itself is so fucked up and so brutal and so horrific and then the investigation afterwards is even it's this it's it's also brutal and horrible and fucked up well and i was so expecting i was i was so expecting you to say that it was somebody that knew janice and like yeah had previously dated her or like felt as As though she wronged them in some way.
Yeah. Just because of...
That's what they were going off of too.
Like how just personal it is to stab somebody over 60 times.
And he... And she seemed to get more.
Yeah. She did get more than...
I mean, Emily was also brutalized, but like Janice too.
Yeah. It's just so crazy.
Because he had also...
He had come in there and immediately decided he was sexually assaulting her.
and it was and i didn't go into the details because i just don't want to it was a brutal sexual assault oh she went through a brutal sexual assault by this fucking pig he is a pig before he did so it's like he he's a monster wow we need a palate cleanser brother yeah we do oh so yeah well with that we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but Yeah, and that's how weird that you watch somebody take the fall for a heinous crime that you committed.
Yeah. Don't keep it that weird, listener.
Don't do that. Don't do that.
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