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Rachel is a, this is a long list, a world -renowned exorcist. She has written multiple books, created the backstory for Lara Croft Tomb Raider.
And really, you're kind of just like an all -around badass.
So, welcome. Oh, well, thank you.
That's like the best advice I could get.
Okay, good. I'm glad.
I really worked on it.
Yeah. and you know it's funny because we were just talking about this before we started recording but this is really exciting because I just came across Rachel on TikTok like one of your videos just popped up on my for you page I immediately was drawn to it watched the whole thing and was like oh immediate follow and then I just started like every time you would come up I was like oh like yes like awesome and then we just like I think somehow we came together and it was like like oh she should come on the show and I was like hell yeah like it was such an organic yeah coming together it felt so cool
yeah and like I I think I'm so terrible at TikTok so that was very validating for me what you just you're great at no we love your videos I'm like I try I don't know what I'm doing I'm just like following like Sinister Pond Babe and that's it that's what I'm yes same we have been shouting the praises of Sinister Pond Babe for months yes the funniest funniest person alive i am obsessed with sinister pombe so good we do impressions all the time and we are not so good at them constantly saying that's sinister babe it's giving dark side giving dark side and every time there's a new one i'm like i
have to watch it as soon as i see it every time if we're in the room together elena's like oh new one i swear that's me that's totally I love it.
So if you guys want, we can kind of dive right into everything.
We have a ton of questions for you, Rachel.
So hopefully that is okay.
Yes, I'm ready. Awesome.
All right. Amazing.
Our first question for you is, can you basically just give us like kind of an overview about what being an exorcist means to you?
Sure. Yeah. So, oh my gosh.
Let's see. I've been doing this work, well, kind of in secret for a while, for over 10 years now in Los Angeles.
I work on everyone from, I don't know, like Oscar winners and heads of studio and rock icons.
Like if you can think of them, they've probably been here.
Let's just put it that way, but I don't have clients.
That's so cool. I never say who, but yeah.
And, and basically what I do, you know, it's exorcism work.
It's, it really is what it is.
It's taking entities out of people and places.
That's what I've been doing here for ever.
I love it. How did you discover that this like was your unique talent that you had?
Yeah. So, um, ever since I was a kid, I could see entities with my eyes and I, you know, would complain about like monsters under or the bed or monsters in the closet like one does but they were real you know and then parents would come in and be like there's nothing there go to bed like you're keeping me up so for me they just never went away like I always could see them and I didn't know that that was weird when I was a kid because like how would you know right so I talked about it I talked about it at school I I talked about it at home.
You're like, you all see these, right?
By the way, like the worst idea ever.
So I found out very quickly that that's crazy and lunatic and you don't do that.
So, you know, I believe that wholeheartedly because there's, I don't know, when you're a kid, everything's so weird and awkward. And so I didn't want more weird and awkward things about myself.
So I just listened and I didn't talk about it ever again.
Like it went to the vault.
And, uh, I had, I always say like, you know how people talk about, they had like some life -changing event and then now they're like, can see spirits or whatever.
Right. That was totally not me.
I, I was able to kind of drown out the sight of it, uh, until I hit like 30 and then I had a fender bender, not like the life -changing thing, uh, but it was like one stressor too many in a week full of stressors.
And so suddenly my site was blown open and I couldn't suppress it at all anymore.
And like, you know, the unhoused person on the street, like screaming, I was seeing who they were screaming at or what they were screaming at.
Entity was just everywhere.
And I, you know, I thought basically like I'm either going to have to check myself in or figure out why I have this.
Like, what is that?
What is this thing?
So I always joke, like I sat down with a bottle of scotch and was like, okay, spirit people, like tell me dive into this.
I love that. Here's my offering.
Right. And, you know, many scotches later, here we are.
But I just kind of learned to open myself up more instead of closing everything down.
And in doing so, I communicated with spirit, with the good things and just started working working on people and friends at first and who would just let me.
And, you know, there were a lot of issues that you don't think about when you see movies about exorcisms. Like, you know, if you put five candles on the ground, you're going to kick them over and start a fire at some point, you know, just the balance.
So I started a lot of fires and did a lot of things wrong and hoped that people would bear with me.
And so then they would have a good experience it and share it with somebody else and and it just was so word of mouth for so long that's the best way to go about things though like word of mouth travels so quickly and then I'm sure you have just people beating down your door at this point yeah well I never thought it would get so public I just thought well I could do this nobody's gonna care yeah right that's not the case because what because that's what it is it's like when people are saying their personal personal experiences with something like this.
It's like, that's the most valuable thing you can have is people telling other people being like, I did this.
This is real. This worked.
I did it. Yeah, that's true.
That is true. And these were people that people respected, I think, too.
And that goes a long way.
Oh, absolutely. Did you feel lighter once you kind of started leaning into it after suppressing for so long?
Honestly, yes. Yeah.
Yeah. I could imagine.
You know, it really sucks to not embrace parts of yourself.
Yeah. All parts of yourself.
like you don't have to be an exorcist to feel that you know absolutely and we do that so often to like not be ridiculed or not be judged or whatever and I even had like a manager at the time not my manager anymore who was like you can never tell people you do this because I'm a writer as well and that's like my job so you cannot tell you can't go public with this you can't tell people you do this don't tell people in meetings like and I was like oh okay but then eventually you know that catches up with you and you're just like this is who I am if you don't want to work with me don't work with me
absolutely yeah I'm not gonna hide this part of myself just to appease people right you make yourself small for people like so many people do that we just like make ourselves so small to make other people feel safe and that's not cool I'm not doing that anymore I'm old for that shit now yeah leaning in and it's funny that you said it happened when you were like 30 because I always say that I always tell her I'm like something about 30 I just hit it and I was like why am I doing like why am I making myself for other people like like I need to I need to be comfortable with everything I am it was like
I hit 30 and I was like whatever I can't wait for that it's so true you do like you just don't care anymore honestly the older you get I feel the less you give a shit about other people's opinions at all you hope for the best yeah you know but they're the worst at the end of the day it's like it's none of my business what do you think of me like that is fine I know exactly exactly so it's so funny that it like coincided with that.
It's so true. And I also say that when you are high frequency, you know how there are online like gurus that always tell you, like, you got to love everybody and you got to forgive everybody.
And you know, everything's the same.
And that's not true.
Like the more high frequency you actually get, the less tolerance you have for bullshit.
Like you just don't want it around at all it's that makes sense I feel like I'm nearing that the closer I get to 30 I'm 27 now and I can see like every year the less and less tolerance that I have oh yeah I love that that's true because it really does like once you get to that place of just being like oh no like I don't give a shit yeah you don't like me you don't like me like that's fine that's cool as long as I like me that's what's good as long as I like me and the people I love and respect like me then like that's it yeah like my whole thought process is like as long as my little bubble likes
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Yeah. And during the autumn months, that's when the veil is the thinnest. And I've actually learned specifically from you on TikTok that right now it is currently the thinnest. Like this is wild.
And I think you said it's from here until like sometime in November.
So for people who don't even know what the veil is, can you kind of tell us a little more about that?
What the veil is, why it might be the thinnest right now?
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So the veil is, you know, between our world and, you know, the spirit world.
That's kind of a big world, you know, that's high beings, you know, that's deceased people.
It's a whole lot of stuff on the other side.
And right now it's the thinnest it's been in years.
And there's a lot of reasons for that.
It's so part of being able to read negative energy, I guess, like my side effect is that I can read when energy shifts in the world.
So I always try to warn people about it and good stuff too like oh this is a really good time for you to be able to manifest things this is a bad time for that you know do that whatever like just stay home and like you know sleep for five days right so right now it's the it's the thinnest because there's a lot of negative activity on the planet just a ton a ton of negative activity on the planet really kind of of i mean we don't even need to get into it everybody knows yeah um and then uh the flip side of that is there are a lot of people more interested in connecting that makes sense those things
work together to kind of thin energy out so it's like a there's a reach going on if that makes sense like to reach across to each other absolutely and so the negative part of that it Well, depends on how you feel, I guess.
But the negative part of that most people feel is that there's a lot of, you know, not so nice energy trying to come through.
So you'll get like visitations from entities.
You'll get, you know, more stuff kind of like I've been getting a lot more of my name called.
It's like out, I'll hear it.
And a lot of people have been experiencing like, oh, I just heard my name and there's nobody here on different voices.
places of that. So interesting.
And a lot of like stuff moving around.
So like doors closing, you know, just you thought your keys were here.
Somehow they were here.
That kind of stuff.
That's so that's really fascinating, actually, because we've had like some stuff going on in our family and with my parents.
They're good now. But like we had some stuff going on the last few weeks and we were in their house, which is the house I grew up in.
And it's like very old house.
house there was always stuff going on in there when we grew up like nothing ever seemed threatening or bad it was always just like innocuous things but we've been in there kind of cleaning and help organize and stuff and I specifically and this has never happened to me I've never heard voices in that house I've never heard anything like that and it's funny because I have yeah and I never have but I was I was like I believe you you have I just never experienced it myself and I was in one room cleaning and ash was in another room across the way on the upstairs floor and at one point i heard a woman's
voice go hello and it was like clear as day and i was like what was that so i was like ash did someone just come in the door like our sister or something and she was like what are you talking about and i was like i just heard somebody just yelled hello when they came in the door and she was like i did not hear anything no one came it was just the two of us and i was was like that was so clear like what you were shook by I was like shook by it and I kind of pushed it aside I was like okay that was weird and then the other day we went into the house again to talk to my parents totally different
area of the house we were in the room me ash both my parents and they all saw me look to the left because I was like someone's talking over there like it was like a man's voice talking on my left and I couldn't figure out what they were saying but it was like so clear and I was like what is going on like why am I suddenly hearing this right like okay that's a perfect example because this has technically been thin since like September 15th ish but the Halloween is the thinnest yeah right so don't people don't do stupid things please don't do stupid things on Halloween that's all I'm asking put
your Ouija boards away people like Like, you know, you know, those conjuring games that people love to play that they're just like scared.
And then I'm always like, what's the plan if it comes through?
Like, what are you going to do?
Where do we go from here?
Please have a plan.
But yeah, it's so crazy that you're experiencing that because like even people, and I don't think this is true of you.
I think y 'all are very sensitive, but like there are people who are like walking around like they're not sensitive at all, like unconscious and they're saying, oh, I just heard this i just heard this that makes so much sense it is crazy that really that was like so validating when you started talking about like voices i was like okay it's like i'm not losing it that's nice to know i get that all the time in in my house my house was built in 1936 and um it's so loud here sometimes like at two three in the morning it always like once a month at least someone's having a party in the living room just
there's just a party going on so we now have uh like a code for it in the house uh we call it the anti -whispers i don't know if you're like over the garden wall fans oh i love that yeah there's like a character called anti -whispers so we're always like well it's anti -whispers again just like have a party i love that i love that so much that's amazing just going for it damn just like popping off at 2 a .m good for them Yeah, you wake up and you're like, oh, OK, cool.
Thanks. OK, have a good time, I guess.
I guess. Yeah, like so loud.
Yeah. Well, you you use the term and we've heard it a couple of times while talking to you right now.
Entities rather than like what people might think of, you know, demons or something.
Right. And in your book, Sister of Darkness, which, by the way, is an amazing title.
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Immediately I was like, oh, grab that book.
you talk about entities like you know the clive a race tricksters realm walkers collectors can you kind of give us a little bit of the differences what those things are what their differences are and kind of how you approach each one if you approach them differently sure yeah so you know let's just be clear too like deceased people and entities or what people called demons are not the same thing.
Deceased people are just deceased.
They're people. They're dead.
Right. Everything else is like not been people.
They haven't experienced that.
Different lifestyle and it shows.
So clybes are the lowest, like if you will, on the malevolency branch and intelligence, um, there are things that people pick up quite often.
I call them Clives, very scientific I call them Clives because to me they look like Clive Barker drawings so I've just always called them Clives, sort of like something between like a brain and a face hugger I don't know if you can picture I can, yeah, as soon as you said that I was like oh, I don't want one of those and they're the easiest to pick up unfortunately they're like the smallest and the easiest to pick up and people when they think about attachment or possession they think about movies right like yeah oh it's like everything is going to hell really fast and you know very obvious that's
not how entity works normally so like with clives for example it's like they attach they're very small they come in they don't want you to know that they exist they are very quiet you know it's not it's very insidious, I guess is what I'm saying.
Yeah, that makes sense.
A lot of people have Clives.
It's very easy to pick up.
So I would say, I don't even know now, like 85 % of the population is walking around with a Clive and they don't even know.
Oh, damn. Not to be silly, but like...
I feel like I definitely have a Clive or two.
Well, the name Clive is like so innocuous sounding that when you're like, you know, you're just walking around with a Clive.
It's like... You know, he's just there.
He's just hanging out.
What it does is it's it's an amplifier.
So like if you're sad, you're depressed.
If you're depressed is worse.
You know, if you're angry, you have rage.
And it just works like it's and it feels really big, but it's actually very small, very easy even for people to get rid of.
Okay. Like they'll walk around with it and then get rid of it without even realizing.
Oh, wow. So you can just drop it.
They kind of like jump to the next person.
Well, if you work on yourself even a little bit and you raise your vibration a little bit, like you've had, I don't know, like six really good days in a row.
Or you're like trying to be positive or you're trying to be like really nice to people, whatever your deal is, or you meditate six days, like it'll pop off.
I love that. That is cool.
Yeah. So Clives are kind of like, you just have to kind of recognize that something is amiss and just try to rectify it a little bit within yourself.
Okay. Exactly. Like they're the leeches of the community, let's say.
They're just trying to feed.
They're just not, it's just, they're just there.
Yeah. You know, it's not personal.
They're just trying to sap your energy.
Exactly. So if you start to starve them out, they're like, eh.
On to the next. That makes sense.
All right, I get that.
But then, of course, it goes up from there.
Yeah, right. Like wraith attachments are attachments that people get that are associated with night terrors and sleep paralysis.
ooh I've had sleep paralysis and night terrors since you were little when I was little so that you know you know not to get into anything because we're not going to point anything out publicly here our business Eric right that there's two ways or well three ways to get that so either you're in the house around someone who has it and you're an extra sensitive kind of empathic person person or something sexual happens to you when it shouldn't.
So people get that from, um, you know, unfortunately molestation and all kinds of terrible things, um, or even abusive partners.
Sometimes you'll get that from abusive partners.
And then the last way you can get that, which is the most rare, but it does happen.
And I've seen it a lot of times here in my practice, us if you will um lineage rates so it came down through someone in the past who had an encounter and it's just hung around that one feels like right that does we have a long line of people who have also dealt with the same thing and i've always been like oh okay like yeah that's interesting and my kids had a few bouts of night terrors like pretty early on and then they went away right and i was always like oh no did i pass this down to you like you kind of thing i could do you confronted it head on and was like you were like you're not welcome
here yeah i just kind of was like this isn't happening for you guys so like i'm gonna take because they they they had like night terrors like the night terrors where you know they're awake but not awake and they're just kind of upset and we would just sit there and like kind of hug them until they were calmed down my poor husband had no idea what was going on because he had never experienced it when he was younger it's usually maternal it is almost always maternal wow my mom had the same thing going on so that makes a lot of sense because they would then they woke up one night we've told this story
on the podcast before so listeners have heard it but uh i one night they woke up and they were so upset the two of them i have seven year old twins and they were saying that a group of people came in their room and were trying to cut their sheets with scissors and i was like that is the scariest mysterious shit i have ever heard in my life but in my head i was like all right you can't react to this like how you want to in your head right now and start screaming just run out of the house right now so i was like all right i gotta take charge of this whole thing and i was like i don't want them to
go through these like i did so i was like all right so i was like where are they are they still here and they were like they're right there and they pointed into the hallway and i was like how did you okay and i was like my husband literally was like that's it's on you dog he was like i'm not no he's like this is a you problem stood in the corner and was like ah i don't see anything it's okay and i'm like it's so i was like all right so i walked into the into the hallway where they said they were and i just stood there and i was like are they here and they were like yep they're right there and i
was like you guys are freaking out my kids this is mean this is our house that is their room those are their sheets you can whatever whatever you're doing is not welcome.
And like, it's rude.
And I don't appreciate it.
And we can all live together if you're not being assholes, but you're being assholes.
And I was like, cut it out.
And then I was like, Okay, never feel better.
Never happened again.
They never had another night terror.
They never saw another thing.
Awesome. And like, also, my guess is that y 'all are high empaths, which means that you feel everything.
And so when you're a high empath, another thing that comes through is a lot of deceased people a lot of deceased people will come through because deceased people love to talk they're very chatty like they they do not shut up disease people and so if they can feel that someone's a high empath even if you don't know it or even if you're like nope don't want that or whatever they try to come through so it's very possible too that your children are high empaths and like i could see that all this wants to come through and like like, talk to them or see them, and they're not necessarily ready for that either,
so it's scary. You know?
Absolutely. Not the way to do it.
Yeah, that was rude.
Don't think about it.
I was like, why are you doing that?
Like, oh my god. It was so specific.
That was the thing.
I was like, wow, you really just, that was too specific when it comes from your kid.
When it comes, when anything comes out of a child's mouth, it's always, like, the scariest thing possible.
Oh, yeah. Always. Because you're like, I know you're seeing it.
yeah like yeah i guess so yeah and they're like so open about saying it where adults even if they saw it were like i'm not telling anybody that's right i'm not saying it but they're just like at the breakfast table being like you know what i saw last night it was wild this is creepy i want to run screaming into the night but i'm not gonna do that but i'm like it's fine like our youngest member skeleton skeleton oh yeah she said she saw she she saw a skeleton but her little voice would call him skeleton and she said he was a nice guy and he just hung out and smiled at her and one day he left scared
of him and then she was like I was like do you see him anymore like I just asked her once and she was like no he went to see his family and I was like oh okay and then he just never came back I was like I hope he did go to see his family good for him well you know what's cool about kids too is that well lots of of things I guess but they're very connected to spirit because they're the closest to spirit you know the older they get the less connected because we kind of well maybe not anymore hopefully but when I was a kid like people definitely were like that's not real so you stop you know opening
yourself up to spirit but one of the things that's really great about kids is that they trust what they feel yeah yeah instead of what they see because oftentimes deceased people come in and And even for adult people, that's too scary.
They don't want to look at it or they'll come in kind of half -formed or they'll come in kind of looking weird or whatever.
Yeah. And the response is, that's scary.
Shut it down. But kids are like, well, it looks like a skeleton, but he feels real good.
Yeah, like, he's nice.
He seems nice. It's all right.
Yeah, he's smiling, so I'll go with it.
Yeah. It makes sense.
I used to see so much more stuff when I was a kid.
You did, yeah. But then I could tell I was scaring people.
So I was like, okay, maybe this is bad.
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah. So it's nice when you kind of keep it going for kids.
And I think more parents are a bit more spiritual now and are like, Oh, being like, tell me about it.
Oh, does it feel, you know?
Yeah. Like asking more questions instead of just being like, no, no, no. Like, yeah.
Just ask a little more better to lean in.
Yeah, exactly. Absolutely.
And what about tricksters sound?
I don't know about that.
Yeah. Yeah. Scared about that.
Tricksters are the ones that form symbiotic relationships with their person because they stick around.
So trickster is a little more malevolent because they're like, yeah, you can see what you want to see.
So I've had clients who, you know, had imaginary friends, you know, that felt not good.
They had archangels with them.
I had a few clients who thought they They had like genies with them from childhood.
I had one client who was, I think, in their 30s who was like, there's a horse with me.
What? There's a horse.
Because they usually latch on in childhood and then keep going.
Okay. So why wouldn't you think, you know, differently?
Yeah. I can't. This is so weird to say.
Well, I guess all of this is weird to say, right?
But like. Nothing's weird here.
It's weird for me. like I've had more than one client come in and be like Archangel Michael is attached like goes with me everywhere we go everywhere wow and I'm just like okay and so to me when I see a trickster with my eyes they always look the same they don't look like whatever they're presenting to this person they just kind of look like I don't know like um it's so hard to explain but like like, like very tall, very dark figures.
So it always looks the same.
I'm not seeing the horse or Archangel Michael or whatever, you know, the grandpa or whatever, whatever it is.
So I'm like, I try to be respectful about it.
Cause you know, we're having a conversation.
I like to have a conversation with people about what they feel is going on.
And so I'm like, okay, so, but how's your life going?
And they're like, oh, it's a shit show.
horrible oh i thank you 10 out of 10 don't recommend and i'm like well okay so how do i explain so you know if you had archangel michael with you at all times yeah but yet your life is reflecting a shit show right maybe it's not archangel michael and we should take that out yeah like maybe he's just trying to make you think he's archangel michael right Exactly.
And how they do that is they can, again, this is like wild, scary sounding shit, but I'm so used to it.
I'm like, oh, here's how.
Oh, we love it. We're like, let's go.
Yeah, we're into it.
They can kind of pull something out of your mind.
So they scan your mind, basically.
Wow. And pull something you want out of it.
So I've had situations where I had a situation where I worked on, um, uh, one particular like rockstar and I've actually worked on several and they always think it's the same entity.
Like they'll see something in their mind and be like, this is what I have with me.
And I'll be like, okay.
Cause it's like a famous, you know, like demon like from pictures, like they'll be like, oh, I have this demon. This demon is the demon I wanted.
I bought him at the store and I'm like, okay.
And I'll just be like, it's really not that, but let's just take it out.
You know, I'm like, I won't even get into it.
I'll just be like, you do.
Okay. Let's take it out.
It'll be a trickster.
It's a trickster. Then they'll be like, okay, cool.
And whenever I take something out of people, I also give them homework because we need to keep the energy up.
Right. So it doesn't happen all over again.
How entity attaches in the first place is it's all energy.
So, you know, we are energy stuff is energy.
Everything's energy.
And we're walking around life with what I call a baseline frequency.
And so that's, you know, how we interact with ourselves, how we interact with the world, how conscious we are, like, how do we talk to ourselves?
All that stuff matters.
is. So like, I don't know if you're walking around, like if it's a scale of one to 10 and one is dead and 10 is Buddha, you know, most people are like a four.
Yeah. You're doing good if you're at a four.
Give it your best go.
It may not be great, but you're like, you're there.
You're here. So when we work on ourselves, we can raise that vibration.
We can raise that frequency, but it takes time.
So it's not fast. It's like, okay, I'm going to do this every day and like, try to do better.
But when we go through a trauma, that baseline frequency takes an immediate hit.
And since we don't really believe in this in our society, we don't know how to handle that.
Like spiritually, like we barely know how to function through that.
Yeah, accurate. you're it yeah so when that happens unfortunately that's kind of a double -edged sword we're in low frequency space and here's this low frequency thing that wants to attach and so that's kind of how it happens so whenever someone leaves here because we have to take that trauma signature out of the body as well as the entity out of the body so that we can raise that vibration for you so you're not just going to attract other things right away and so there's homework right so we want to keep that energy clean and rising.
So whenever I've worked on people in the past and I've done all the work and I've given them homework, especially people that affect a lot of other people.
So very famous, like people who affect a lot of people, I'm like, oh, please, please do the homework.
But with a few people in particular, they would come back like a month month later and be like, well, this demon came back.
I don't know. Did you do the homework?
I definitely didn't do the homework.
And then I'm looking at it and it's not the same trickster.
Interesting. But because they stayed in the place that they were energetically and it scans the brain, it was like, oh, it's me again.
Hi. Oh, yeah. It just knew exactly what to present us.
But it's just a different guy.
That makes sense. But it's not because because when I take them out, I don't give them the opportunity to keep going.
It's like, it's gone.
It's gone. Pooh, done.
Done. Then I'm looking at this and I'm like, oh my God, here we go again.
You're like, I'm going to put your name on the board. You did not do your homework.
I'm not helping you next time.
Yeah, exactly. Like I'm putting up like, you passed a bad check, you're not allowed in here.
You can't come back in.
You're on the red list. You're not welcome anymore.
God, not until you change your ways.
seriously one and you'd think once you get like an entity removed from you and someone like you like a professional is telling you like you should do this to like make sure another one doesn't come in you think that you'd be like uh yeah I'm gonna do that and I'm gonna do more like I was gonna say you'd like research even more like what can I do to make sure that doesn't come back yeah like some people are not ready yeah like they think that gives them something like that's what gives me creativity or that's what makes me write good songs that's what makes me whatever it's like that's not no true
it's like the tortured artist special yeah that's exactly and they're making you think that they're they that you need them right to do that stuff right it's total bs and like yeah i can explain that forever but it doesn't necessarily matter if you're not ready to let it go you're not ready and the funny well i don't know if funny is the right word but like you know let's say i have an actor in here and you know okay we go through all of these processes to take this out and you have all the homework and he's like got it i'm gonna do all this i'm gonna do all this and you don't hear from them again so you're
like okay cool cool cool they're doing it then you go see their latest movie and you're watching it and you see the entity oh wow dude oh my god that's crazy so you can even see things attached to people in TV shows and movies?
Yep, and photos. Wow.
Is that really distracting for you?
Is it hard to enjoy, like, media?
Yeah, it's so distracting.
That's the one thing I can't get over.
Yeah. Like, I'm trying to stay in the moment with the story and all this, and then I just keep seeing this thing.
And, like, if it's a horror movie, I can kind of play it into the background.
Right. Oh, look, you belong.
I'm just there. Nobody's acknowledging him.
That's fine. Yeah, that's fine.
interesting but if it's like some kind of like hallmark movie or something oh my god and to think about seeing that in a hallmark movie wow the stark contrast there wow and totally happens because it's wholesome entertainment not so wholesome a person i guess you're watching this girl fall in love with a guy who ends up being santa claus's son of course and there's like and you're like i can see oh my god my god that's so wild but then there's more right like there are there's uh what are i love these names too these last two names are so ominous to me realm walkers yeah the worst of the worst
oh that's really realm walkers are the worst of the worst they can um attach to people and spaces oh um they're what people i would like from my point of view considered the devil oh wow so they're the movie style entity uh they can carry spaces and i think they're much more dangerous in spaces than they are in people i think the well any entity that carries spaces is much more dangerous because they're more malevolent more intelligent and can do more because they can spaces right with realm walkers there they can do anything an entity below them can do plus and they can attract people can influence
people from miles and miles and miles away and in masses wow yeah they're pretty spectacular um and they can affect people in the space dozens of ways so they can they obviously feed off of high foot traffic.
It's always high foot traffic areas.
So things that a lot of people go through because the ultimate goal is to feed from people.
So in a space, you know, and I talk about in the book, like the Cecil Hotel, which is downtown here in Los Angeles, very notoriously bad place, places that I really want to get in and exercise.
And like, I've had a lot of resistance from everyone.
It's changed hands so many times, and I've had a lot of resistance from every single one because of that influence they like to lean into it a bit yes exactly so i mean notorious murders have gone on there murderers have stayed there the history is very vast and wild you know there's uh the there's rumor that the black dolly was attached to that place you know every time someone wants to compare it to like they just want to say well it's you know it's always been kind of a bad area it's always had a lot of you know whatever clientele i'm like okay but compare prepare that to all of the hotels
legit right around it right yeah yeah they too have bad things it's not like there's no crime there but the crime does not match by far the Cecil Hotel no no way at all especially that you know the Elisa Lam story of her being found in the water tower yeah and like to this day they've done I don't even know how many documentaries on this trying to find a way that that could have actually happened where she closed a water tower onto herself right and they still are like well we don't know but that's you know we're downplaying that there's supernatural situations here of course but there are supernatural
situations there 100 there is a roam walker in that space and but that's what it does so like it'll like like all the police will come and they'll investigate and they'll be like suicide yeah because that's it's like it's suicide like it's whispered you know so that particular entity there's not like a thousand of them or anything on the planet they're they're pretty rare but there's more than one so it it's not something i consider the devil but it's certainly real bad uh in the last one i think is the collectors which to me sounds like the scariest but you say realm walkers it's not it's the one
down from the realm walker so collectors collectors are the most interesting though i think um and i deal with a lot of collectors in the work that i do uh because i do spaces quite frequently so collectors only hold space they don't bother with people that's not their thing they're like because realmwalkers can also possess people and that's the movie style right that's like everything looks terrible everyone's dying it's horrifying but the difference between movies and real life on those things is that realmwalkers will only do that for future world changers oh they don't have time for just
that girl on that farm they don't care about that at all that's interesting that is really interesting They only want the big time, because think about it, the most malevolent and the most intelligent, why are you going to waste your time?
But collectors only do spaces and they do spaces of mass trauma.
So a place where mass trauma has happened, a collector can come in and form.
And what it does is it keeps deceased people in the space.
So deceased people are never stuck.
That's kind of a lie.
It's not really a real thing.
Okay. But they can stick themselves.
If that makes sense.
So, you know, like if they're like, I'm afraid to go on, or I did something bad that was part of this mass trauma.
So I think I deserve to be here.
Or they just don't know what, you know, they just don't have help or don't know.
They just stick around.
So collectors, what they do is they like to pick a high traffic space.
Again, lots of people moving through.
They keep the deceased people and they'll have the, use the deceased people essentially to scare the living people into giving the energy.
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Right, so like super haunted places where they've had mass trauma, you can guarantee there's a collector behind that just kind of pulling out the stops and going like, okay, now you, now you, now you.
Oh wow, it's like their terrible manager.
Yeah, seriously. just delegating seriously you'll get a cut of anything yeah nothing at all yeah so what you have to do when dealing with um a collector is you have to release the deceased people first because you want to take the battery away first because it puffs them up a bit you know right that makes sense all the deceased people out of the equation and that is just conversations with deceased people because you know they're just like us but then you know you just want to have conversations with them and let them know like you don't have to be here anymore this is not for you and whatever
their fears are kind of address them and help them yeah yeah a little talk therapy with these people yeah yeah so like it's i don't know it's important to do that i think it's nice to do that anyway because who wants to be in your own your own hell right so So we get them out.
And then by the time you get them all out, the collector really doesn't have a lot to stand on at that point.
So he's kind of easy to remove, but it feels big when there's like a lot of people in the space.
Certainly when people go through those spaces, they, that's what the kind of space where you feel kind of underwater when you enter.
I don't know if you've felt that sensation.
I don't know if I have, but I've heard people say that.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like your senses become very like, Like, it really is just like you're underwater.
And it's very heavy feeling.
Yeah. Okay. The Lizzie Borden house was like that.
Actually, yeah. Now that I think of it.
When we went there.
Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.
There was a couple of rooms in there.
Specific rooms. Immediately.
I think it was the stepmother's room upstairs.
Yeah. We both were like, oh, I don't want to go in there.
Like, it just had a weird, and I'd never felt that before.
I was like, oh, no, I don't want to go in there.
And the whole time we were in there, it felt more and more threatening.
like you need you should get out of here you shouldn't be in here you know i've never been inside that house but i do have feelings like i wonder what really happened there because i don't yeah okay it's a real heavy there's parts of it that you're like okay like this i you feel a little wonky in there but like you're like whatever but there's as you go up it's like oh yeah the upstairs harbors a lot more and and so does the basement yeah weirdly has some weird energy down there.
Well and I guess that's a high traffic area technically, right?
Because people go a lot.
Yep, absolutely. People like travel from all over just to spend the night so it makes sense.
Yeah. So she's keeping it going.
I sort of buy into the whole someone was hiding in the attic theory.
Yeah, the attic is a scary place.
So we were supposed to stay in the attic and I was like, I will not sleep up there.
I will not stand up there longer than for the tour and then we're going downstairs.
Yeah, she would not.
Like our room was in the attic and we were like Like, no. And we just ended up sitting up in the sitting room, actually, where Andrew died.
Yep. In the exact spot.
Just sitting up. But somehow that felt less threatening.
Yeah. Weirdly enough.
Yeah. You might have been killing a collector.
That might be where he was hanging out.
Yes, I wonder. Because, like, okay, I did an exorcism on the Reinhardt Mansion, which is the American horror story mansion.
Oh, wow. Wow. And this was for a TV show for celebrity exorcism.
Oh, yeah. I was just excited to go do the mansion.
So I said, yes. So we when they told me it was a house, I was like, oh, that doesn't usually have like an entity.
You might have like ghosts, but I don't know because, you know, what house it was.
So when we went, I was like, OK, I will like actually feel this out and see if there is.
but i didn't realize it is still a very high traffic area and so there was an entity in that space but it was in the basement and it wasn't like it so normally when an entity holds a space it can go through the whole space it doesn't have any kind of parameters but it'll have a place where like it likes to hang out and that's probably like an your attic yeah like here they were this entity was actually forced down because at one point it was a church and there were nuns that stayed there and they'd figured out that there was something in the space so they had kept it down and when they died they
stayed wow it's like a whole thing we went through a whole thing um so that like the nuns were on certain levels of the house and then this was forced to one level of the house and by the time we got there to then i was to take it out it was like much weaker than it would have been had it not been for all these nuns fighting for that's amazing but one thing that it did do which i thought was so interesting and this i guess is a well i don't know it's not there anymore but it back in the day when it was there you know when it became the american horror story house people used to go up to the gate
and take pictures with that because it just ends like it's a very open fence and you can see the whole house so it would take little bits from people who took pictures like it would feed tiny bits off of people because it was stuck from people who couldn't take pictures so people would take pictures and then later complain like they had just a small headache or just to got tired or just not it wasn't a lot it was just that's so creepy oh I don't know if anybody's done that now and was like wait a second I know somebody listening is like oh my god that was me yeah yeah, like I did that.
I fed him. Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
Oh my god. So are there specific signs to look out for that some specific entity is attached to you?
You know, most people don't have like high end entities.
It's not like normal.
You know what I mean?
Like they don't have like the crazy shit, right?
People honestly don't know they have have attachment at all.
And that's kind of a specialty of mine too.
Like I love when people are just like, well, I feel blocked in my life or, you know, I haven't worked in a while or, um, I can't find this relationship or my favorite one actually is, um, I've been having a lot of trouble conceiving.
I've helped so many people conceive and I feel really proud of that because Absolutely.
Well, and it's such a big deal.
Some people are fine not having children all their lives.
That's me. I'm fine with it.
But some people, that's all they want.
That's the only thing they want.
That's me. If you have trouble, that's the worst feeling because you're like, why?
Why is this happening to me when it's so easy for somebody else?
Mm -hmm. So I've had a lot of clients come in who had tried everything, spent so much money, had so much hardship we're just like I can't and you know like I live here in Los Angeles people have money and so they'll go to the ends of the earth spend whatever it takes and when it's not working it's so frustrating because it's like you're trying so hard yeah yeah like I don't know what else to do so word of mouth has sent a lot of people here for that And so it's so interesting because so many times they'll be like, well, they're telling me my ovaries are this or like this is happening.
And so, you know, every time or they can't find anything, you know, like it's one or the other, like it's this dire situation where this will never happen for me or like they can't find any reason why this isn't happening.
happening so when they come in here I go through my emotions you know they're so when we do the working here there are moments where I have to put my hands on people I always warn them like I'm gonna put my hands on you because if I see these blocks or these spaces in the body like I want to pull it out I don't want it in the body anymore so like oftentimes when people come in and I've even had clients come in who don't want to tell me anything right very skeptical clients clients that somebody just had a good experience.
And so they said, you should go.
And they come in and they're like, I don't want to talk about anything.
So I'm like, okay, fine.
Let's just get this done.
One of those clients was a client who could not conceive.
And, but I didn't know this, right.
So they didn't tell me anything until I just started working.
So I kept putting my hand in the same place because over like the left ovary area, there was all this darkness.
And I was like, I'm not leaving that in the body.
I didn't know what the plan was here, but I just don't like leaving any of that in the body.
So I just kept going there every round that I was doing this.
That was where it was so concentrated.
And at the end of it, this client sat up and was crying and was like, why did you keep touching me here?
And I was like, I said the same thing.
I just saw a lot of darkness and I don't like that in the body.
And so that's what I took out.
up. And they were like, I have been trying to have a baby for two years.
I don't know what is going on.
Doctors have told me that it's not possible.
They've told me my ovaries are basically dead.
Like that particular one is the worst. And like, I don't know what to do.
And everything that came in from spirit, because finally we were able to talk, right.
Was like issues and trauma trauma with their mom.
They had so many issues and trauma with their mom that the body was stopping that from happening on like a energetic level, because that hadn't been released.
Oh, wow. So I was like, listen, there is 100 % a baby coming in.
Like there is a baby there.
They're just waiting for the opportunities.
So let's work on that here.
And we took all this stuff out, we did all this whatever and i get a call i don't know a few months later and it was like close to the holidays and they were like can i come in can i can i come back and i was like you know i guess oh yeah come back back and i was like what what happened like what's going on and they were like well i'm pregnant oh my god i just got chill i just got like a warm and they were like you know I just want another one just to keep things going.
Just make sure it's all safe and healthy.
And I would say that's probably happened I don't even know maybe a hundred times over the last few decades.
That's incredible. That makes so much sense though.
It's not the only thing, right?
Of course not. It's not the only thing that causes or aids in those kind of like infertility or mental illness or any of those things, but it's part of the equation.
And we just don't acknowledge that enough in our culture.
Like we don't, we don't acknowledge that.
Oh my God, all this stuff that we're holding in the body can be harmful to us.
It's not attachment, even if it's just old shit.
Like, cause we're taught to stuff down trauma so much because this society is like, get past it, get over it, you know, move on.
There's more to do.
Like that happened a year ago.
Yeah. And it's, what does that mean that doesn't mean anything because getting over it means you're not getting through it and if you're not getting through it how are you healing it you're not you're just keeping it it's just stuck somewhere inside of you i tell you that literally all the time she does well and it causes so much like anxiety and depression and all of that too when we do that because it it takes so much of us away like it causes such unworthiness and like inner child child damage and so much shit.
So it comes out different ways.
Like I'll have clients who come in and like, I don't know, like I love my, my like ladies, my ladies who come in just like, yeah.
Cause you know, they come in and they're like, you know, I do everything for everyone and I feel like really good about it, but I just don't know.
Like I'm so sad. And I'm like, you're not sad.
You're fucking angry.
Yeah. Cause you're doing nothing for yourself.
Right. But you've been socialized to not be angry.
That's not an acceptable emotion for for people who are socialized girls.
Right. So it's like you're not allowed to be angry.
God forbid a woman be angry.
And so they're like, well, I don't know why I'm crying all the time.
I'm like, because you want to scream because you want like goddess energy to come in and like tell everybody to fuck off.
that's so true it's very relatable do you always want people to be angry like lean into it feel it if you feel it it's true i mean that's what it's fun because that's what i tell my kids like i have three girls and i'm always telling them i'm like if you feel angry be angry man like you gotta feel your emotions allowed to be angry in this house like you don't have to tell me you're not like so i feel like I feel like there's a new generation of parenting that's hopefully going to be like, because I know a lot of people, all my friends who have kids are doing the same kind of thing where it's like, just
let your kid feel how they feel.
Right. And help them identify it.
There's no bad emotion.
No. People think that.
And they're also taught that like from the same spiritual gurus.
Like, oh, that's a low frequency emotion.
Yeah. No. Actually, it's a high frequency emotion when used correctly.
we're not saying like, go be abusive to people.
No, never, but just feel it.
Yeah. Being allowed to feel it.
And I always tell people too, like when they think there's entity around, like whenever they think they feel like they're, when you feel sensitive and you're just like, Oh, I, there's something here.
I don't like it. I don't like it.
You tell it to fuck off.
I love that. You go, no, fuck you, fuck off.
And I'm like, use the words, use those words.
And the reason why is because that steps you into your power that raises your vibration.
operation, that's how you get it gone.
Yeah, that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense.
That's how I got them gone from my kids' room.
That's how you did it.
I was like, you're being rude as fuck here and I don't appreciate it.
You have to stand your ground.
We are much more powerful than we think we are.
It's true. It makes perfect sense.
Yeah. Do you have any specific tips for people to avoid having an entity attach itself other than telling it to fuck off?
So again, like in movies and not Not that this doesn't happen ever, but it's more common the other way.
Like, in movies, it's always like this nice little religious child who is sweet and, you know, needs to be corrupted by demons.
It's so excited about corrupting the sweet child.
That's not usually how it works.
So the best way to not get an attachment normally, you know, in normal cases, is just not to be an asshole.
That's so easy. You know, because it sounds so cheesy, right?
But it's like, you know, being kind to yourself with your inner dialogue, being kind to people out in the world, like helping a stranger if you see someone needs help and is struggling with something, you know, buying someone a coffee if you can, like, you know, giving up your seat on the bus, like very simple things to protect yourself.
because every time you you create kindness it's the opposite of what that entity is looking for yeah so it once again is like little things to not only raise your vibration but starts to raise the dynamic around you and trickles it out people we're like in a society right now that is incredibly selfish yeah you know overall this is not everybody thank god but you know we see the effects of entity every day.
Let me tell you. Right.
Oh, yeah. Big time.
So being selfish is the easiest way to get entity and attachment because you're so insular and unconscious about everybody else's experience.
The more we open ourselves up to other people's experience and the more we allow that in and we're like, oh, actually, wow, this person's also having a bad day today.
Like I can relate to that.
I'm not going to get something worse to deal with, with my attitude or my whatever, you know?
Right. That helps you not get attachment.
That's it. That makes sense.
Yeah. And it's easy.
Just don't be a dick.
Just don't be a dick.
I mean, you think it's easy.
I know. Well, it's not for some people.
And if you're having a bad day, I guess, you know.
Well, and you saying like one of the important parts of that is being kind to yourself.
That's the hard part.
Which I think is one of the hardest things.
I think it's much easier not to be a dick to people around you.
Other people, right.
Right. But like, I am very guilty of being a complete asshole to myself all the time.
And like, I like ashes of my like self care guru.
She's always telling me like self care is important.
And I've been trying to listen to her because you do so much for everybody else.
And I'm like, hello, and I can be really critical of myself.
Like I get imposter syndrome a lot.
I'm constantly being like, yeah, no, like, why do you don't deserve that?
Like, why are you getting that?
and so i'm constantly having to come and i can feel it how negative it is when i do that to myself so i'm especially lately i feel like you've been like i'm gonna give it to ash ash has been helping me to be like no no like be kind to yourself it feels better and i feel like i'm a better person when i'm kinder to myself of course it's weird i told elena and maybe you can explain this to me i woke up in the middle this is so strange and i've never really had an experience like this but I woke up in the middle of the night a week ago maybe and I just said to myself Alayna needs to do Reiki on her
stomach and I should tell her that and then I it was like I was barely conscious it was just like I woke up had that thought fell right back to sleep and so I told her the next day and I said specifically on her stomach and that was the only thing that like came through I guess but I don't know where that came from I mean again again, high empaths and you're so linked.
Yeah, that's true. Like some wild dream or some wild situation going on.
And you must have felt it.
Yeah. Because she told me as soon as we got to work the next morning, she was like, last night, I woke up in the middle of the night.
You need to do this.
I was like, wow. Yeah.
And I should do it.
And it was like specifically your stomach. Yeah.
I woke up and this happened and you got to go do it.
And I'd be like, listening to that right away.
Yeah. As soon as she said it, I was like, I should do that.
And you said you've been, and I didn't even know, but you said like you've had some stomach stuff going on lately.
Yeah. Cause it's been, we've been so stressed out in the last few weeks.
So I was a tribute and I'm sure it was mostly because of that, that I've just been like, like my, I never have stomach issues.
Like I am a very, like my stomach's like steel.
I feel like I'm like my dad, I can like wake up in the middle of the night and eat buffalo chicken and it's fine.
Oh, I wish. But the last couple I've just been like, oh, like, I'm just like like, feeling off.
And I think it mostly is because of stress, but I was like, oh, maybe I should do that to help me out.
Yeah. And you're going through, you're going through things.
So sometimes that makes you just more susceptible to everything.
So you probably got that and was like, oh, nope, we got to get that before it gets.
Nope. It's true. I love that.
Look at us just being connected and shit.
I love it. That's so cool.
So now that we know a little bit more about all the entities themselves, what does a typical day for you?
I mean, cause this is your whole last job.
What is a typical day for you look like dealing with all of these different things?
Uh, well, you know, if it's a space, uh, I get called to do the space.
I go and unless I know whatever's there is there.
Um, I kind of go take a look, see at the space and then, you know, diagnose, I guess, if you will, what, what needs to be done and what I need to bring and how I need to do it.
Um, I don't like taking other people.
So I'm always kind of a lone wolf in this situation.
I don't like being responsible for other people's safety because in spaces, since an entity can hold a space, they can take that whole place down if they want to.
I've been in spaces where they've taken sinks off walls and done all kinds of...
So they don't usually attack you with themselves.
I've only had that happen once, but they'll pull stuff to attack you.
If you've got a lot of people around, that's harder to control.
yeah higher probability of getting an injury that's a lot it caused a lot of mass sickness too like mass mass whatever or injury yeah just everything so i like to go in by myself which is not the most fun yeah yeah no you're brave it's like you don't have a backup yeah so you're just like okay um occasionally i'll go into it the space is really bad like with one medium so i don't have to do that work while like if it's a collector I can let the medium sort of handle those while I work on the just the entity so in a space depending on how big it is that could last 13 14 hours wow can't stop once
you start not on a person or or a space wow oh okay and why is that well because it starts to agitate the entity that will start fighting back and so I have had that happen so like I said you know when it's a space in particular an entity can control people en masse so I once I clean a lot of sets I'm asked to do consulting on a lot of horror films um that's tv shows because they're like we're recreating this horrible terrible thing in the space or like in another space that's wildly just as bad and so we want to make sure that we don't you know, have trouble.
So I was doing one of those spaces, actually this happened twice, a space like that.
And I'll go on to set, I'll bring my little toolkit, all my resins and all my BS and like, you know, start setting it up.
And inevitably, well, at least in these two times, I keep thinking it's going to happen again, though.
I just keep thinking it's going to happen happen again.
I'll have somebody come up to me and say, oh, well, who are you?
And I'll be like, well, this is what I'm here for.
This is what I'm supposed to be doing.
And they'll be like, oh no, no, we're not doing that today.
We can't do that. Like it's a fire hazard or it's a, you know, I wasn't told about this or you're not on the list or, you know, whatever.
And I don't argue with that anymore.
I just go, okay. And I pack my little stuff and I leave. and then all hell will break loose that day like come back people will get injured cameras won't work they won't pick up audio or they'll be picking up audio from someplace they shouldn't or they'll see something they shouldn't be seeing or just something will happen and I will get a call hours later that's like why aren't you here and I'm like oh somebody sent me home and they yeah but everybody knew you were coming every single person like we had a whole meeting about this like they shouldn't have sent you home so they're like come back
so i will go back and that same producer will come up to me and just like looking at the floor saying i knew you were coming i don't know why i said that i don't know why i told you to go oh that's fucking creepy that is you can see the shock in the face like they're practically in tears like i don't know what the fuck yeah I think I may have been possessed oh that's so scary shit does happen yeah wow that is like I can't even me oh that did seriously that's intense so you've been doing this for a while and you've kind of already touched upon a couple are there any particularly or can you point
to one particularly memorable or challenging experience that you've had in your whole journey.
Yeah, yeah. So I keep a journal of, like, my scariest exorcisms. Ooh, I love that.
Because I don't want to forget this shit, like, in case someone sees this again.
Right. And I, okay, so one time, and this is so bizarre, it wasn't even that long ago, it was, like, a couple years back, never happened before, never happened since.
so it was like its own one -off situation I was contacted to exercise a space and this was like a not a hotel but like a very big inn um and I have to sign NDAs when I sign when I do spaces quite often just because their spaces they're places people go you know yeah they they don't want like a bad reputation.
Like they just don't want, I'm very proud to say I don't sign a lot of NDAs, even with very famous people.
They trust me, but spaces are like a whole different story.
Yeah. Makes sense. You know, I was called into the space.
They were like, there's a lot of shenanigans going into the space.
Like we've had a lot of workers in the space that like keep crossing themselves and we'll go back and falling off ladders and they're seeing shit.
And you know, it was a site of a mass fire at one point like way down this was really old place and they'd rebuilt it and rebuilt it like kind of in you know different ways and they built it before and now there was somebody coming in who wanted to restore it to its old glory and you know so they were going to open like the next week and they were like we need this out whatever this is needs to to go because all my money's tied up in this.
So me being cocky at this point, I was like, no problem.
Yeah, fine. I can get to it.
You know, little did I know.
So I went into this space and there were a lot of deceased people in the space, like a ton of deceased people in the space.
and you all once touched upon I think it was like an Ohio episode because Ohio is the craziest most haunted place and I don't know why Ohio.
You got a lot going on.
Ohio does. Ohio's crazy.
It is crazy but you had touched upon how somebody had said a story about like they could see only part of the ghost because the place had been built and so you know Was that the Paul Feig episode?
Yes, yes, it was. Yep, yes.
Good call. He's the coolest person on earth, also.
The best. I love him so much. I've never met him, but it is a dream.
He's a kind, kind human.
Truly. So, yeah, so in this space, it was kind of like that.
So you'd see deceased people, but because they built back differently.
Yeah. You know, like, you'd see, like, part of the deceased person, because the other part was like on a different floor now or like you just legs coming down from the ceiling right you know that used to be the floor like oh right exactly yeah which is always like weird it's weird even to me now when I see that because I'm like is that an imprint because usually it's an imprint so that just means like they're just reenacting something that they did so that's why they they don't move yeah they don't see it like that so normally that's very very harmless just to put out there.
Like you just see it and it's like, they don't even, it's just like an energy trap, you know?
So in this space, I got lulled into a safe.
Like. Cause you were just like, Oh, it's not so bad.
Yeah. yeah, I was like, oh, it's imprints.
Okay. Like this is fine.
And then wherever this entity is, I'll just get this guy out.
That is not what happened.
So I can't get into all the specifics of it, but let's just say that these ghosts in particular were not at all imprints and they were actually malevolent.
They'd been turned completely malevolent.
They were not themselves at all.
Like whoever they'd been in, they were not that anymore.
The entity that held that the space is the only entity that has ever actually harmed me by touching me no way I have a scar on my hand like you can't I don't know see it but there's like a line here yeah it it gripped me and it was like a burning sensation down my hand and I it it was like so jarring that I I don't even can quite remember exactly how I reacted to it.
I know I took a step, like I stepped away and pulled my hand back, but it left this like kind of bloody opening.
And I, again, to this day, I've never dealt with that again.
It's not normal. It's not their normal behavior.
Um, so I continued working.
I thought about leaving like so many times, but but I do feel kind of an obligation to do the work too.
So I was like, well, shit, you know, there's going to be like a hundred people here, you know, next week.
I can't just leave it.
Like what am I supposed to do?
Yeah. And so it was controlling all of these deceased people, but again, not like any collector I'd ever seen.
Like these people were like full possessed.
It was crazy. Like they were like deceased possessed people.
people so they also were trying to harm you and also trying to be in the way and like normally when you release them they're like oh thanks you know this time they were like we don't want that you know like we're not going so I had to leave that portion of it to do its own thing and just work with the entity and it was hard it was hard to get this entity out it was long story short this entity was attached to something that that was in the space um which is a very specific to this place thing so i can't say what it was but it is very old and it was used for something it shouldn't have been and so there
you go and so this thing came in and it took me so long and it was so draining to do the work to get it out and it finally was out and so i left there like like fucked up, but like, oh, I did it.
At least I did it. Right.
Yeah. So everything's fine, fine, fine.
No incidents has happened again.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
So that was that. I don't know what it was.
I'm not quite sure exactly, but it's done.
I didn't love that, but all right.
But it turns out that it was not done.
It's technically out of the space, but I have seen it it around me quite a few times so wow I'm at this point like okay I did a good job I guess take it out but like it didn't it didn't destroy it and now I'm like is it worse that it's out oh that's scary oh that's terrifying wow like at least then it was in the space you know what I mean right and that's not attached to the object anymore the object's still in the space yeah Wow.
And now it has like a personal problem with you.
So that's absolutely terrifying.
It sure does. It sure does.
Wow. I've made that very clear on numerous occasions when I'm like just driving and there it is, or like just, you know.
Oh, that's so scary.
So do you have a, do you have a process afterwards when you've finished this kind of work to, I don't know, cleanse yourself somehow?
Yeah. So I have protective tattoos that normally work.
Oh, cool. Oh, that's awesome.
That's really cool.
Yeah, and they face inward, so you're not for other people.
They're for me, and that has helped a lot since I've gotten those, but also, you know, mineral hot springs really help for me.
It sounds weird, but like detoxing.
No, it makes sense.
I've seen that a lot lately.
It's like trendy on TikTok.
For ghosts? I don't know.
Just in general, I've seen people doing like mineral baths, and they're like shocked by the shit that comes out of regular like yeah yeah no it's really it's really helpful and I have one that I like that's like three hours away from here it's not too far um so that's really helpful the next day after I work especially if it's a very difficult space or challenging person I don't really move much like I have to recover because it takes so much out of you yeah to do this that I'm just like there is no way I'm responsible for anything thing today just a little r and r not um and and depending on like
a space like that that that takes a lot a lot of recovery time more time than anything just allowing that negative to to leave if you will from your own body because there's a certain amount that you take in when you take it out of someone else that makes sense yeah absolutely wow yeah this is fascinating this this really is this is like fun and i have to ask because you mentioned how you can like see these entity attachments on like film or in a in a photo all that do you see entity attachments over zoom right now because this room in particular this is our recording area we've had to move it
around a lot and like shift energy a little bit because there was a point we had this very differently set up.
My hair is moving over there.
There's a doll of Ash over in the corner and it has like string hair and every now and then the hair will just move around.
It just started as you said that.
But we also get like our weird, our like, our machines will make weird noises.
Like we have a roadcaster and it has a soundboard and the laugh or the applause track will play sometimes at like very specific times.
But it will also cut off and there's no way to possibly make make that happen.
So there's been some weird things that we've been like, what's going on in here?
I don't see entity in there per se.
And if anything were dangerous, I would have told you like right on the jump.
That's what I was like, all right.
But you do have a lot of deceased people around you.
Oh, I love that. So that's interesting because Mikey, our assistant, has cleansed this space so many times and he invites our ancestors in here.
He always invites like.
Well, that's why. So of course, they're like, we're so proud.
We're just going to hang hang out that's so cool they're just hanging out i think we've actually asked before because we one day was like a weird day kept happening like things just kept happening it would not stop like a little uh what's it called um pendulum pendulum to ask like are you like a bad thing in here like like are you are you i think we were like are you like a family member in here and he said yeah so we were like okay we'll go with that especially if it's putting on applause like come on yeah it's just like good job but that's the thing we were like it's gotta be it seems to be
leading us in like good ways it definitely does we'll be trying to figure something out and we'll be like debating it and it will applause at one of the choices and we're always like oh we're listening to the roadcaster it happened right before we went on with you actually it did and it hasn't happened in like a month yeah we and we were saying it the other day like oh I don't know if they left or like what happened and then it just happened right before we sat down for this and we were like oh Oh, well, shit.
That is so funny. Yeah.
So they're just, like, telling you, like, I'm here.
Here I am. Okay, what's going on?
That's really cool.
I love that. That's good to hear.
And they do, you know, they also like to make themselves known, especially when you're having, like, a bit of a time, you know?
That makes sense. We're always having a bit of a time.
I think they're, yeah, I think they're just like, hey, they're here to hang.
We're here. That's probably why I don't see entity either, is because you're always having time, so you're just like, I'm so used to having a time.
I'm just. I don't have time.
Yeah, it's just like we try to sail through it.
Yeah. We're always cleansing this space or Mikey always is.
Thankfully for Mikey.
You cleanse with your space.
Do you know? Do you do Palo Santo?
Yeah, Palo Santo usually.
And that's what I use at my house because I know Sage has like specific rules and I never want to fuck it up.
I just don't think it's as strong as Palo Santo.
Really? I think Palo Santo is a lot stronger.
and then if you really want to go there you burn copal and then frankincense right after okay I have a ton of frankincense so I'll bring some over to the pub lub that's my favorite I'd like to share that a lot that takes entity out of the space if it's mild and sorry what was the first thing you said?
copal C -O -P -A -L adding it to my cart however you pronounce it whatever your choice we gotta go to the local witchy store that we have around us we'll get some I love that place the little discs what's that?
the little discs you know these guys oh no we don't have those we need to get those so if you have like an ashtray or whatever these are so good and you burn the loose resins also resin it's like an amber resin so you just throw it on the disc oh I like that we'll have to smoke that So smoke detectors have to check them first. Been there, done that.
We'll open some windows.
I've done that before and my fiance, Drew, is like, really, did you have to do that right now?
Yeah. I'm like, everyone's in a while.
John will come up here to ask a question.
He's like, what is happening?
He's like, it's real smoky in here.
What is this smell?
Like I'm cleansing.
I'm cleansing. We're just cleansing.
It's okay. We're busy right now.
Okay, don't ask questions.
We're busy cleansing, John.
So going off of that, do you have any advice for anybody who might feel like they have have a similar gift to you um yeah you know just try not to block things out you know people think they're safer when they shut things down but the reality is that's not true so for example I post on my Instagram frequently about or and also on TikTok now um my 30 -day connection to spirit because people are always like I don't know if I have an entity I don't know if I need raise my vibration or I want to just talk to my spirit guides or my deceased loved ones which is your natural birthright gift by the way
um everyone comes in with it so I'm like okay here's how you do it where you're going to sit down for 30 days for five minutes a day and you're going to ask spirit to enter your body and it's just a couple of steps right and I'll always get somebody putting in the comments like this is devil shit when you ask spirit to enter your body this is like bad you don't ask here because you'll invite something bad into the body the response is always that's not true and the reason why it's not true is because you're talking about the difference between high beings you know angels ascended masters however
you phrase it right high frequency beings versus low frequency beings low frequency beings do not need your consent that honestly that makes sense yeah they're just going to come there if they want to if they're not gonna wait for you to talk about their free will yeah the fact is if you're the more unconscious you are the better off they are right but high beings they care about your free will that's why you have to ask them for help that makes so much sense until you ask they want to but they respect you and they want you to walk your path however you want to walk your path so you have to ask
them come in please come in so that's the difference so I always say if you you know even if you don't think you have a gift you do that's the thing even if you don't you were born with the ability to speak to your spirit guides and deceased loved ones it is your birth right you may not remember how to do that you may not think you do but if you do this that will open up for you again.
So I encourage everybody to do it.
And also like, if you're feeling stuck, if you feel low vibrational, if you're not sure if you have attachment, like it's so easy, it's free to you.
And it takes as little as five minutes a day.
It has, it's awesome.
You know, it's something I do.
It's something they taught me to do.
Right. I want to do that now.
I know. I really love that.
I'm going to do that now.
That's really cool.
And you know, I'm sure like Like you were just mentioning, like people would be like, that's devil shit.
I imagine that you get some pushback and some criticism from people who are not open to it, who are skeptics.
And what do you do to kind of either ignore it or what do you do to kind of not let it affect your vibrations, like not bum you out or make you angry?
Yeah, like I get both sides.
so I'll get like very religious people who tell me that this is also devil's work you know because it's like I I'm not a man I have boobs I don't know like a non -denominational kind of situation well yeah right I work I would say even um multi -denominational is probably more yeah because everybody's welcome here like I love that hell yeah yeah but like I even get a you know how dms are you know who slides into the dms like that's like you look how you look so therefore this can't be say whatever I want right or the opposite where you have people who are like this is bullshit whatever don't believe
this this person's just like doing whatever I don't know yeah so for me it's it's like I I'm not trying to convert you yeah I'm not not if you believe it fine if you don't fine yeah that's okay like it doesn't affect my work you know yeah like it's doing the work yeah yeah you don't have to believe me in fact you know don't um people who who are open to it the people who are like you know maybe there is something more in the world than I experience or think I experience I think those people are the people people who benefit the most, because I don't know, it's kind of sad for people who are so closed
off that they're just like, there's nothing but this life and that's it and everything that you see and that's all.
It's like, that's awful.
Like that sucks. Yeah.
Like why wouldn't you want to be open to beings who want to help you and, and guide you through life and want you to know that you're supported and not alone right it is a very nice feeling i love the feeling personally idea yeah yeah because you you know that's the truth though yeah it is the truth like they're there if you want them to be yeah whether you believe it or not like i get that it's it creates a whole lot of cognitive dissonance right if you've been taught like the world is one way and then someone's like here's a different way of looking at the world and yeah some people You know, looking
out here in the world, or like, I can't possibly question my beliefs.
That would be terrible.
But I think if you are a person who's open to like going, well, I don't know, maybe.
Yeah, that's all it takes.
Down a road of something really beautiful.
It's true. That's all it really takes is just going, maybe.
Possibly. I don't know.
I think it's hard to say that you know everything.
Like, that's the thing.
Right? It's so weird. Well, you just can't possibly.
At least you'll be a little open to, like, I don't know everything.
So there's a very real possibility that there's something beyond my world scope that I don't know about.
And I don't know why that's difficult.
But I also don't know why apologizing or taking responsibility for nonsense is difficult for some people.
It's not very difficult.
You get it. It's very true.
You get it. You get it.
The girls that get it, get it.
It's so true. I think you, your question is next.
Oh, sorry. It is. I was just blanking.
So our last question for you, actually, or I think...
Second to last. Yeah, second to last is, what do you hope that readers are going to take away from your book, Sister of Darkness, and your experiences as a modern exorcist?
Oh my gosh. I guess I hope the thing that they take back with them the most is that yes, okay, we all exist in the world with all of these things, right?
That's just how it is.
But at the same time, you are so much more powerful than you think that you are.
I love that. We have the ability to keep ourselves safe.
We have the ability to live our dreams. we have the ability to manifest things, like all of this is in the same realm you know, so yeah, you have all of these low things and that sucks, and that can be a trouble you have all of these great things, you have high beings, you have the ability to create what you want and visualize it for the world, and you are strong enough to do that one person at a time you know, it doesn't we don't have to do it all together at once to make a difference in the world one person make a difference every day.
I love that. That's a great thing to take away from that.
It's like very inspiring.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
And I know I took a lot away from it.
So I know, I know anybody who reads it will take just that away from it, I would say.
100%. I appreciate that.
Truly. Absolutely. And honestly, because it was such a great book, and this has been such an amazing conversation.
Like you're a fascinating and badass human.
magical human uh can you do you have any upcoming projects coming up you know like anything related to you your work as an exorcist your work as an author anything yeah so uh well one of the things that we're working on right now is uh taking that journal of mine my my scariest most challenging stories and bringing them to uh feature so yeah so i'm I'm really excited about that.
Um, and you know, trying to do, uh, trying to share with the world, I guess, cause I feel like, I don't know, whenever we see Exorcism on screen, right.
It's really similar.
It's like almost always the same kind of story.
And the reality is even just talking today, like there are so many other kinds, a myriad of things.
Well, many, and I think, you know I can't speak for everyone but like as a horror lover you know and a horror writer like every time I watch them I'm like super psyched for something different and it's so rarely something different and I'm just like and as an exorcist I'm like damn this is different you know so now we're actually doing that we're literally doing that as we speak right now yeah I'm super excited about that like our own series of cool shit to show you that's totally cool i'm excited for that awesome thank you yeah and then i've been working um kind of not again not in secret but it
it's not really been announced we've been working on the sister of darkness scripted tv series for the last years um i'm partnered with well like the coolest smartest person whoever was was Pamela Adlon.
Oh my God. Lots of things, but most recently better things.
And we've been working on a horror comedy for FX for the last few years.
And we've been writing and writing and writing away, like trying to get like the most perfect vibe.
What's the line between actually so scary and horrible and we're going to show you how horrible and scary that is, but also really funny and safe feeling?
Oh, I love when there's a dark comedy element.
that's always really cool yeah yeah but like you know we're really trying to throw it at you like here's the theory that's actually looks and feels right for sure um and also dealing with like all the issues because i i grew up in trauma with my mother my mother was crazy abusive and um oh that's awful i'm sorry well it's okay she she's long past now and um she still comes to me and we've we've worked it out since she's done i'm glad that's my biggest fear we have we've worked it out since she's died it took her a minute like we've had such funny conversations though too like at first when she
first died she was trying to come in so fast and then i was like no you're not ready i am not ready for this i had and we're actually writing about this this is like an episode of the show we've talked about where i would i was like we're not talking directly i'm getting a medium to come in and you have to talk to her hell yeah i love that we need a middleman we are doing this my way therapist we needed a therapist yeah so that's what we did we and so until she was like calmed down enough to have a normal conversation with me oh my god we didn't do it so we went i went to the media and we had
a conversation i was like she's not ready it'll be another six months oh my god wow that's great though that you got to do it on your terms because when you do go through like an abusive relationship with somebody it's not on your terms yeah so it's nice that you got to turn that around well and also I found out a lot about things that had happened to her when she was a child after she died you know that she didn't tell me and not that that makes a huge like you're if you're an asshole you're an asshole you're being an asshole you know at least then I was like oh okay like I can get it more right
you know you can empathize yeah exactly so I had more empathy for her and eventually she was like she was that person who took no responsibility in life for absolutely anything so like in death I was like until you can we're not having conversations we're not having the same relationship happen I'm over here taking notes I know eventually she did she did she was like oh yeah shit okay good like yeah good you deserve that you know it's funny working with Pamela because doing better things she was the person who put put her own life basically on display.
And so now I'm doing that with her and you couldn't do it with a better person because she definitely knows how to do it properly.
For sure. But she's so funny because you'll be having a conversation and just going into something like, oh, this terrible, horrible, traumatic thing that happened to me as a child.
And she sits there and then she'll look at you and she'll be like, that's funny.
I can make that funny.
I can work with that.
But she's always right too.
that's the thing you're at least you're like what the fuck you're like it was not like no no hear me out and you're like oh my god it is it is funny yeah I feel like you know what I feel like working through trauma and humor go hand in hand 100 exactly yeah yeah exactly and it's nice working with someone who's navigated that so well and makes you feel really safe like she'd be so I don't know I don't know what she'd say to it but I think she'd be super honored that I'm like Like, she makes me feel safe.
She does. She makes me feel safe through that.
Because it is hard. This is hard stuff to talk about.
Not just the email, but the work.
Like, I didn't know.
Like, one of the reasons why I didn't tell people and haven't been that active or, you know, out there as much as I guess I'm starting to now is because this is a hard thing to be out there with.
Absolutely. Yeah. It's not for everybody.
I'm not for everybody.
Yeah. yeah so I was really hesitant about you know doing stuff out there um but it seems like it's time and it's nice to have you know people who navigate that with you absolutely yeah of course totally make you feel safe about your decision to do it yeah exactly exactly that's awesome I'm so excited for everything that you have coming up well thank you so much I appreciate that I'm I'm excited to to share something new with the world you know the world needs it i was going to say the world is going to be excited to receive it so let's go yeah and thank you so much for taking the time to talk
to us this has been so fascinating truly cool conversation we can't thank you i i'm so glad like i really really wanted to do this as i told you like i love you guys so thank you i was like i I was like, yay.
Love is mutual. Oh my God, I was just gonna say that.
Well, I'm happy to hear that.
I want us to be friends forever.
We will. Yes, you're welcome back anytime.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for having me.
Thank you so much. And where can people follow you on social media if you want to plug any of that?
Oh, yeah. Well, if you want to see these TikTok videos.
Yes. And you need to.
It's just rhstavis.
you know it's like Davis with an ST it's also Instagram RH Davis I try to keep it the same and easy and we'll link them all in the show notes so it's easy to find but again Rachel thank you so much this has been awesome and guys go follow Rachel I was going to say everybody listening go follow Rachel follow the TikToks and we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird © transcript Emily Beynon So If you like Morbid, you can listen early and ad -free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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