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Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash.
And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid.
morbid yep yep yep how is it how are you how are you what do you want to do today i want to record okay that's what we're doing yesterday that's what we'll do today yeah we are on tiktok too much that's accurate i think i think everybody relates to that statement yeah or sentiment if if you will.
I think so. I think TikTok is everybody's place.
Do you think that it is like low -key taking over our brains or something?
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
My brain is fucking crazy anyway.
Somebody take that shit over.
Somebody take the wheel of my brain.
TikTok, take the wheel.
TikTok, take the wheel.
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You know, it's the beginning of the week where we're wild, we're crazy, we're kooky.
I'm coming off a vacay, baby.
A vacay. Not really.
I'm coming off of like a long weekend.
I am coming off of a weekend of many kids' birthday parties.
Yeah, that sounds fucking terrible.
That's where I am right now.
I was at Universal this past weekend.
I was living my life.
It looked like fun.
It was great. It was great.
How were your kids' birthday parties?
You know, they were kids' birthday parties.
That answers that. It was that.
But the kids had fun, and that's all that matters.
Hell yeah. So there's that.
But I have a case today that's just really gross.
Oh. This person is a very gross person.
They usually are. they usually are this one just like it's like it just there's a lot here and there's and he's a liar he's one of those that lies a lot about what he did yeah this guy is definitely a liar um and he also he lies so much that it was like an interesting to scrape together the facts of his life because he is such a fucking liar so that's good that gets tough sometimes yeah so So Dave and I did our best to make sure.
You always do. We did our best here.
But I think this story is really sad.
It's another case of people targeting sex workers and people that they think will not be missed.
That's nice. You know, one of those terrible things.
So we are going to talk about the case of Joe Matheny.
I don't know if I know this one.
i've heard it pronounced metheny too but i think it's metheny that's what i've heard more so i'm gonna go with that one um but he's terrible so we're gonna start you off on december 15th 1996 the year that ash was born yeah and also the year scream came out i wasn't here yet though you weren't here yet uh well no you were it was december of 1996 yep you're right i was here wow wow guys i i didn't want to correct you on that but like you were like the world will like i felt compelled to you know in my head i was in fact in my head i was like oh december so like of that year like i wasn't here yet
but just that's the very tail end so i was like you're smack dab in the middle but i was only like six months so i was you didn't know what was going on for sure for sure it's not about me at all so bye but there we go just 1996 um on that that day december 15th baltimore police discovered baltimore maryland they discovered the body of 23 year old kimberly spicer she had been buried under a trailer on the property of a pallet factory in the city's southwest side uh later that same day police did arrest a suspect joseph roy metheny he was a man who actually lived and worked at the factory at the time
he was living on the grounds uh where spicer's body was discovered and it didn't take long when they arrested him to suddenly start connecting the dots to other murders of women in the baltimore baltimore area as well I was worried you were going to say that what's wild is this is only a fraction of the things that he confessed to oh right here there he confessed to a myriad of awful awful things and do you think all of his confessions are for real no okay I don't which no which is like a whole other set of gross that like he just came up with these things and was like i did them claimed them
even like they're fucked yeah so let's talk about who joe metheny was so you can get an idea of what we're working with here okay joseph roy metheny was born march 2nd 1955 in baltimore maryland he was one of six children he was born to parents audra earl and jean metheny i love the name audra that's it is a cool name it's just like a cute name yeah i don't know where audra i think one of the girls in um girls next door was named yeah there was an audra yeah around there for sure now after he was arrested joe did claim joe metheny claimed that he had been raised in a very abusive home he had a terrible
childhood he was very neglected very abused by his parents and he said that he was like shuffled around to different homes almost foster -like situation by his parents now according to his mother uh she said that joe was a very normal boy growing up he was smart he was nice he had a good childhood there wasn't anything of note if he was neglected she said and this was this was her own words she said if he was neglected it was his own fault huh which i was like that's that's questionable that that statement that was a weird way to word that weird way to like if he was neglected as a child that was his own
fault i feel like that's like that's exact opposite of that but she claims none of her children were ever abused they were never placed in homes i could not find any records and neither could dave to indicate that he was placed in any kind of homes growing up i also we couldn't find any reports that said that there was like any phone calls to any social services or anything like that this This was the 50s, of course, and like the early 60s.
So keep that in mind.
But from the sounds of it, he is he is kind of exaggerating how bad his childhood was.
So that's what that's what this seems to be the collective thought.
One, if he has like a pattern of exaggeration that he lies about everything.
So that he very much exaggerates a lot about his life.
So, I mean, he even claims at one point that he has a son.
He doesn't. What? Yeah.
So weird thing to lie about.
Yeah. Yeah. When he was young for a time, the family lived in West Virginia.
And this is where Joe's father worked as a laborer.
And he ended he at first he was the only income for the family, which especially of the time period, that is very common. Yeah.
But unfortunately, when Joe was only six years old, his father died in a car accident.
Oh, man. Yeah. And it was in Terra Alta, I believe, West Virginia.
Now, obviously, the entire family, this is six children.
That's a lot of kids to provide.
Yeah. Yeah and like obviously the emotional toll was outrageous they're all reeling after the loss of their father who by all accounts he he claimed mostly his mom with the abuse stuff like he didn't really claim it like he claimed it against all of them but like it seemed like that he was just like a working hard kind of guy like took care of his family.
The father yeah. Yeah so like they all were really devastated by it.
So while also dealing with this emotional toll and with grieving their father um audra metheny the mom had to now start working full -time just to support all six of these kids out of nowhere you know like a very sudden switch and everything so see that's kind of to me him being shuffled around to different homes yeah different people probably watched him while his mom provided for the family that's what it probably is it was probably that kind of thing because she worked as a waitress she was a delivery driver for like a food service she She was a bartender.
She would take any job.
It seemed like she was really like working her ass off to keep this family afloat.
Yeah. And although they, you know, they all agree they weren't able to afford anything, you know, that we may take for granted.
Most of us like very like even the smallest of luxuries.
Yeah. She kept her family afloat during this time.
They were able to pay their bills.
Good. And she was able to feed her children.
And that's like the most important thing.
They weren't neglected in that way.
and she was quoted as saying it was very hard on me i had to work to support the family and i did everything i could to keep my kids together yeah and so not only did she lose her husband which like like i can't imagine right there then you have to leave all your kids who you're used to being home with yeah and work your ass off like yeah she was and now they are going to be shuffled around to different people babysitting them or them taking care of the little ones like at least you know it sounds like she at least tried to support this family as best she could yeah that's a lot on your plate
now again by most accounts like neighbors friends all that he had a very normal childhood they all say it they're like this wasn't like a crazy family that everybody was like oh what's going on there yeah um he was a good student in reality like he didn't struggle in school he stayed out of trouble yeah wasn't his troublemaker didn't get in trouble with the police didn't get in trouble with teachers that's interesting yeah none of that he He was a relatively average kid, just nothing of note, nothing, nothing of note, poorly and nothing of note, like spectacularly.
Yeah. In Joe's version of the story, though, he says that he made it only to eighth grade and then he dropped out and he received his high school equivalency.
And that's not true.
It's not true. He has a diploma.
Yeah, he did. He made it through school.
Like what? And when he turned 18 in 1973, he joined the army.
army and his mom is like oh yeah he did he joined the army and he was stationed in germany but joe says that he was sent straight to vietnam in the final years of the war and then he spent nearly two years studying physics and serving in the artillery unit and then that it was during this time that he claims he this is when he began struggling with a heroin addiction okay okay you know those photos sitting in your phone the ones that make you smile every time you scroll past them well at smallwoodhome .com they believe that you deserve better than that smallwood home transforms your favorite memories
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with his family yeah um and i think that was really common yeah Yeah.
And this was actually when he was done with the service, it was actually the beginning of a 10 year like period where he didn't speak to his mother.
Oh, wow. Yeah. Like his mother and him did not speak.
So that is interesting.
So that's that. That's the thing.
There's things there that we don't know.
We don't know what happened there.
By all accounts, it wasn't a wildly outwardly abusive home, but no one ever knows what's going on.
No. Behind closed doors.
You look at any of of these things and it's like you can find out horrible stories and be like what i just passed by that house it looks like a normal house oh yeah like i don't hear anything i don't see anything totally so who knows either he lies a lot so i'm sure it's an amalgamation of lies and truths yeah he sounds like pathological um but during his trial later when he was arrested for his crimes he actually told his attorney and the investigators that both of his parents were dead but then a a reporter tracked down his mom and she was alive what so yeah um and he said after after um he
was arrested in 1996 his mom actually said he just kept drifting further and further away from me which could be a number of reasons you know now it's unclear exactly when he returned to baltimore maryland from west virginia but he was arrested by baltimore police in april 1988 for drug possession so he did struggle with addiction okay um he was found guilty for that he was fined a hundred dollars the arrest for possession kind of shows the beginning of this very consistent struggle with addiction and legal troubles that we see in his life from here on out he seems to be in a constant state of struggling
with this um in 1988 he began working for joe stein and sons which was a company that makes and sells wooden pallets um his employment history was never really consistent he was a truck driver at one point like there was a lot of different things he would kind of disappear for long periods of times from this job but stein and sons the owners of this pallet company they liked him they had a soft spot for him and they always were willing to hire him back every time he left there's always that one and have you ever like worked somewhere where that's been the case and you're like how does this person get
away with what they get away with and i come in late and i get like reamed the fuck out but there's always that person that they i just have a soft spot for yeah that this was joe and this is what's wild about him because when you read about him and what he's done and things he said and his confessions he's a fucking monster a monster of the highest order was he able to just like turn something on do you think like that's the thing i have no idea what his deal is and i can't even begin to speculate on it because i have no fucking clue because people liked him yeah he was a likable guy in his social
social relationships for the most part and in his like workplaces people liked him like these people hired him back all the time right they weren't thinking he was some awful guy and being like oh we're just because if he was acting out there then they would just be like cool like it's easy to be rid of him no if he just leaves we can be like we can't hire you back you just left right but it's very strange but he would show back up to stein and sons looking for work and they would would just hire him back um and actually later after he was arrested later one of the co -workers there said he was a joy
just kidding and carrying on he made the day pass by wow so he's one of those guys that you're literally like you made my day pass by like you look forward to working with him which is like on the other side of the planet to what he says and does that's so weird on his other like side of him but that's the thing it's like i always think of that that um ted bundy thing where he's like acting totally like regular in court and then it's just like and then you see the switch and you see the eyes go like animalistic these people that do these kind of things can switch it that's and that's how they
find their victims you know so scary because they charm their victims into like an unsafe situation or a yeah a situation where they can get them it's true but also because he was constantly struggling with addiction and his work history was in flux all the time so was his housing status you never knew where he was going to stay day right he never could keep something for a long period of time he would sleep on friends couches a lot stay at a lot of shelters a lot of like encampments like anywhere he could and he did have a lot of people who would take him in because of his personality um and it
was usually and this was around the baltimore area and at the time of his arrest he was actually living in that small trailer on the stein and son's property the one where kimberly spicer was found oh wow so he He was living on the property of where he was working because they were allowing him to.
And that's what he did.
Yeah. And apparently it was so, like, it was the situation he was in where he, quote, ran an extension cord from the Steins main building to power his stereo, television, and air conditioner.
So that's what, like, Dire Straits, his situation was in.
Wow. Now, while the owners of Stein and Sons may have felt comfortable enough to let him literally live on the property, they did start to grow a little more apprehensive of this decision as we went into the mid -1990s.
So they were letting him live there for a while, like on and off, like whenever he needed to.
Once we hit those mid -1990s, they were starting to be like, oh, I don't know.
this is when they started noticing a lot of changes in his personality because this was immediately following his release after a year in jail because he was constantly in legal trouble for you know drug possession stealing like all that stuff and he had come back to work because they had allowed him to come back to work after a year in jail and co -workers seemed to think that he he made a very hard switch in that year in jail he was drinking a lot he was using drugs more often he was um he was engaging the work of sex workers a lot more often like just seeming to be on this like like really different
path than he was before like a spiral like yeah before i think it seemed like he was always trying to get to a better place but now it seemed like he was just fully diving fully into this yeah um and there were other like bizarre changes like that he would do like he made a 15 foot high barricade around his trailer made of old pallets that's weird yeah and also like that's not your property you can't do that what are you doing and it wasn't just co -workers that were you know initially kind of like enamored by his personality and how kind he was which is very strange he made a lot of friends outside
of work like very easily socially he was was very much able to make people like him according to connie snow who worked at the south side bar in baltimore where metheny often picked up women and actually picked up at least one victim of his she said he was so mannerly saying thank you and please all the time and he was a regular there and he would often just be going there to you know have a drink play some pool hang out with people yeah and um connie snow's sister actually ended up being murdered by metheny in 1996 whoa just to show you how much he can manipulate wow and how easily she thought
he was kind polite never had any reason to worry about him and her sister ended up being murdered by him my god yeah that's horrific it's awful so like much of joe metheny's personal history and his confession that would later come like i said earlier it's really hard to tell the facts from his lies it sounds like it um by his own confession his criminal history began in 1976 where he said he unintentionally killed a man during a bar fight in baltimore okay this killing was followed by the murder of he said two sex workers in 1988 and 1989 now you can find some some stories that connect a little
bit with these dates and the places the names you can't really connect like it's he didn't know the names so it didn't it's hard to connect them to him yeah i don't know if they were current if they were trying to connect them with actual cases but that's what he claimed later okay and i know they did go back once his confession came and tried to like identify these cases that he was claiming and try to line them up with real cases right Right.
But the first documented murder committed by Joe Matheny happened February 22nd, 1994.
OK. This is when he killed 28 year old Tony Lynn in Gracia. So he preyed on Tony Lynn because she had been struggling with drug addiction herself and she hadn't been seen by her family since November of the previous year.
Oh, man. But according to her father, John, she had been trying to get clean in the months leading up to her death.
like she was really trying hard like she was doing her best and days after her death police would far um days after he came across her excuse me police would find tony lynn's body dumped by the side of interstate 95 in baltimore um when they examined her unfortunately she had been sexually assaulted stabbed and strangled oh my god and then he had just dumped her along the interstate that's so fucked up and this is how he saw his victims it was just like just where i can yeah it's so sad now he waited about four months until he killed again uh this time it was early july of 1994 and he killed 39
year old katherine magaziner um like tony lynn kathy had struggled with drug addiction throughout a lot of her adult life she had had a couple of arrests on her record and it was mostly for sex work um this was in south baltimore mainly okay and according to Joe Matheny on the evening of July 2nd or 3rd he met Catherine or Kathy as people knew her yeah um on Baltimore's south side and convinced her to come back to his trailer on the Stein lot they made a transaction um once there he said that they engaged in sex while she was partially clothed but during his confession he said that um he wouldn't
say whether the sex was consensual or not so that tells me it was not and he also wouldn't say if it was transactional nothing about that so to me that says it wasn't yeah um and if you see his behavior later yeah with other victims he's in he's wildly aggressive wildly aggressive he does not like being told no and i could absolutely see this not being even a transactional thing yeah uh which is awful but But he said about an hour after they'd gotten to the trailer together, he said that he had attacked Catherine, choking her with his hands until she passed out.
Oh my God. Once she had lost consciousness, he wrapped an extension cord around her neck and strangled her to death.
Oh my God. He then dragged her body to a wooded area only about 40 feet away from the trailer and buried her in a shallow grave. That's so sad.
And remember, this is a trailer on his work property.
yeah it's like not even his and then he just buried a victim's body 40 feet from this trailer and then eventually people are coming to work trailer yeah now when he came back into the trailer he went through her purse he took whatever money he could find out of her purse and then he gathered up her clothes and the purse and he took them to different areas of the woods and buried them in a small hole like several small holes and then he covered those with dirt and just left now this is like really gross and rough what he does next because he returned to her body several months later and exhumed
her and he told investigators quote i dug it up and took the head out i just took the head and threw it in a box in the trash what do you notice that he's referring to it as it yeah that's not her like disgusting yeah and that's true like took yeah took her head off and threw put it in a box and threw it in the trash months later yeah how fucked up is that and like why what do you want possess you to do that also i just looked up a picture of him he is this scariest looking mother yeah he's foul and there's one like a very big guy too he is over six feet tall and i think he was like 450 pounds
at one point like he's a very like he's an intimidating guy very intimidating and one of his pictures in prison is like is it the one with his tongue out yes it's so scary it's really foul like i can't imagine coming across this man when he was like violent yeah it's that must have been horrifying if you look at him up it's like he's just really a gross person especially when you know what he's done yeah but yeah that's in and you were asking like was that true when investigators exhumed her remains two years later the skull had been taken away from the body and he had left only the mandible so he'd
remove the head from the mandible up and the mandible is like the bottom half of your jaw yeah so he took like the top of her teeth so i mean it's easy i guess when it's skeletal that these does it like unhook it's like easy to take that part off you know but it's like oh it's very bizarre i just hate it so now at this point he was kind of developing a victim type yeah obviously right um but his next act deviated from this because in the summer of 1995 he was living in um kind of like a large informal unhoused community and it was under the hanover street bridge this is along the banks of the patapsco
river okay in maryland um in court documents they they call it quote a lawless community where knives axes and other weapons were kept that's terrifying um yeah among the men living in that camp were two 33 year old men named randall randall brewer and randy piker and apparently there was some kind of dispute between joe metheny and these two men and on the evening of august 2nd he bludgeoned them both to death with a woodcutter's axe oh my god yeah and then he piled the two bodies on an old mattress in one of the darker parts of camp and just covered them with an old blanket some trash whatever
he could find he is terrifying yeah his his it seems like his temper is outrageous and just like his temper seems to like grow and grow the more he does and then it just explodes wow yeah now obviously he did not hide these victims bodies very well because they were discovered a few days later and he was arrested and he was tried in a court for the murders but in july 1996 a jury acquitted him of the charges because quote quote, the evidence was not only insufficient, it indicated he was not the actual suspect.
And after looking at the evidence, I guess the jury felt the crimes were actually committed by another man who lived in that encampment named Cowboy.
And detectives actually found the weapon used in the murder in position and it was in possession of another man who lived there named Larry Amos.
And they said he had actually stolen that axe from someone and used it to kill another man every dowel yeah larry killed somebody with it and then had that axe in his possession so when they said lawless they meant they really meant it like damn so that axe being in possession of cowboy there and that doesn't really mean anything yeah because it looks like this axe is just traveling to other people to do awful shit with so i don't know but they weren't able to connect him definitively to it which kind of doesn't shock me considering like no one saw it and it could be i mean and that acts as traveling
around to everybody and that clearly like people are willing to kill in that yeah so it's like wow like who knows if he did it or not but it looks like i think he did because of what he's done and he claimed to have later and i not that he's not he's a liar so who knows but like considering what else he is proven to have done i'm not shocked by it wow but um he claimed it's a it's just a weird case he's a weird guy yeah a gross monstrous guy and it's just a weird case this must have been hard to put together it was because it's like we were trying to figure out like i want to tell you what was reported
right and but i want to make sure you know that like some of this is not real.
Right. And you're going to hear a very spectacular claim that has no actual evidence to back it up, but it's the thing that is really what everybody looks at for this case.
When you hear it, you might be like, oh, okay.
I might know what this is.
I think I know where we're headed because I saw some pictures that were really untasteful, I would say.
Yeah. But when he was arrested for good in late 1996, he claimed that he had murdered those men and he he said that he did it because he wanted to steal 300 that one of them was rumored to have had at the time now when he was arrested he also confessed to drowning another man from that same area near the river but investigators were never able to find a body or connect him to it but he waited only four more months after his acquittal before he killed again now on the evening of november 11th 1996 23 year old kimberly spicer got into an argument argument with her mother um and i guess kimberly
had uh struggled with drug addiction as well and i think her brother and this is really sad her brother had actually passed away of a heroin overdose only the previous week oh oh my god and i think that her mother and her were in an argument or a dispute of some kind while talking about that probably like probably talking about her addiction and her struggles and maybe that was like a source of contention so they fought and then but she her mother said we would argue a lot like it was it was a little contentious at that time because of what was happening and she said but and she would leave the house
like storm out of the house but she would always come back yeah and so it wasn't this like wild thing that she stormed out of the house and she she did she said she would always leave but she would always come back and her mom Kathy Price said that and that night she left the house and went to the south side bar that's where she ran into Joe Matheny now according to Joe Matheny's confession I want to make sure that you know this he convinced Kim to go back to his trailer on the Stein's lot for a transactional sex and when they they got there he stabbed her 26 times in the face and neck with a black
handled knife and then he said he wrapped her body in a red tarp and hid it so he could figure out what to do and did he say what like why all of a sudden he just decided to stab her that many times i have he doesn't really provide a lot of information about why he does these things at one point he says he really he just likes killing people it sounds like it yeah does he he say whether or not he's like under the influence at any during any of these things every once in a while he will i don't think he really uses that as a so it was just some as a reason to be quite yeah i think it's just like
incidental if he was now two weeks later metheny lured 37 year old rita kemper back to his trailer on the night of december 8th um when they got there he tried to have sex with her and she refused him she said absolutely not and she had come there just to like hang out she was like no and they apparently had met before rita kemper and him like they had moved in the same kind of social circles a little bit right so they knew of each other like he knew her and that's probably why a random person she felt comfortable going back to his yeah exactly so she just thought okay and i kind of know this guy
so like that's fine now but that night she said and she said like he was like a normal guy like i've never seen him lose his temper i saw him the way that everybody else saw him which is like this funny guy and like he's just a jovial guy it's so scary that somebody can present that way and then be this and she actually said his nickname in the group of friends was tiny because he's such like a big guy wow and so she referred to him as tiny when she talked to him i talked about him and when she testified to a jury later which by the way she gets out of this um kemper And she never told the jury
that that night she just saw a totally different guy.
She said you could see evil in him.
Whatever Tiny wanted to do that night, he was going to do.
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what he was saying can you imagine being in that position no and she said and surviving exactly and she testified saying that after they got to the trailer he slapped her in the face twice demanded that she take her pants off was basically going to rape her and somehow he was distracted for just even a second by something and she managed to open the door and run out the door thank goodness but he chased her oh my god and he's a huge guy running after you it reminds me of like texas chainsaw massacre like how leather face like runs full speed and it scares the shit out of me yeah because he's like
this big guy yeah it's the same kind of thing he chased her caught her no and started choking her and dragged her back inside the trailer holy shit then he ripped her pants off and was about to sexually assault her but she was able to get out of his grasp and escaped out an open window whoa and just ran for help holy shit she is incredible rita kemper now it's it's pretty unclear whether she immediately went to police to report this assault or whether like it was is investigated sometime later like it's a little unclear about that okay but metheny's clearly escalating violence against sex workers
and people he considered vulnerable um in the baltimore area was clearly like at a at the height at this point like at a teetering point and this is when it was going to come to an end because in an anonymous employee at stein and sons called police and said that joe metheny quote approached him and told him that he killed a girl and needed help burying the body dude so they acted on this tip and investigators searched the area around joe metheny's trailer on december 15th and that is when they discovered the body of kimberly spicer buried under the trailer because remember kimberly spicer was the one
where he had hid her quote unquote until he could figure out what to do right and it's just like it's like unthinkable like truly unthinkable and um it was katherine who was buried 40 feet away from the trailer right and now he's gone and asked another co -worker to help him bury kimberly spicer's body somewhere but no she was found so they were able to go into the trailer as well at this point because they had due cause they said search warrant search yeah and so they were able to get some evidence of a potential crime scene inside as well so the detective in charge of the case homer pennington said
quote furniture had been removed from the suspect's trailer and attempts had been made to clean up blood stains i bet and they believe that this was definitely the murder site so after they discovered kimberly spicer's body that was obviously grounds for an arrest warrant and they arrested him out and they arrested joe metheny and also joseph stein the owner of the stein and sons company on suspicion of murder because they were seen leaving a company christmas party together that evening oh so well and it's on his property too exactly so joe methaney was charged with first -degree murder and was held
without bail and stein was charged with being an accessory after the fact of homicide um and he was suspected of helping dispose of evidence even the charges against stein would eventually be dropped pretty shortly after um investigators learned that he was completely unaware of the murders any illegal activities that had taken can place on that property he didn't know about and he wasn't part of evidence he did not destroy anything according to the investigation they found nothing all right no evidence that he had any idea well that's good that he was literally just trying to help this guy out
by letting him live there and he had no idea yeah um days later though after a search of the property they found a 25 caliber handgun and stein was arrested and charged with being a felon in possession of a handgun uh so apparently he's a felon dating back to 1985 because he was charged and convicted of arson in 1985 so although there's no evidence of him being like a continuous felon of like just constantly committing crimes since then he did do some arson once he had a 25 caliber handgun on his property and you're not supposed to be in possession of a handgun as a felon so So that's a problem.
So that was interesting.
But once Joe Matheny was charged with murder, he was just ready to confess.
And he seemed very eager to tell all his stories, all the violent crimes he'd supposedly committed over, you know, two decades at this point.
He provided detectives with details on the murder of Kimberly Spicer.
and he also confessed to the murders of Catherine Magaziner and Tony Leningrasia and would later lead investigators to Catherine's body less than 50 feet from where they had discovered Kimberly Spicer so sad which must have been also a little wild for investigators knowing that they were within 40 feet of another murder victim's body when they found Kimberly Spicer and had no idea no idea now and he led them there like eagerly led them there's pictures yeah Yeah.
By the time the interview had concluded, Joe Matheny had confessed to a total of between seven and 10 murders he fluctuated, including Kim Spicer, Catherine Magaziner, Tony Leningrasia, Randall Brewer, Randy Piker, and a third man he claimed to have drowned at that encampment that he was staying at.
and also the man outside the bar in 1976 and three sex workers he claimed to have picked up on washington boulevard in 1989 1988 and 1989 okay he would pull some of those off sometimes put them back on admit to this many admit to that many throw these ones on like so it really fluctuated the amount of people but they were really only able to find him at that time that But he had definitely committed murder against Kimberly Spicer, Catherine Magaziner, and Tony Leningrasia.
OK. In addition to those three murder charges, he was also charged with the kidnapping and assault of Rita Kemper a few weeks earlier.
Right. And during his interview, detectives asked him whether he had intended to kill Kemper.
And he said, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know really what I was going to do because she got away.
What? what like just so haunt callous just like yeah i was gonna kill that human being but i didn't know what i was gonna do she got away so so i guess okay i guess i couldn't like jesus again the announcement came as a shock to everyone who knew him like no one was ready to hear that he was this awful monster it's so scary to think that people like can turn it on and off so easily yeah another bartender named lisa reynolds who works at a bar or worked at a bar called the borderline bar and restaurant um it was a restaurant and bar that metheny went to often to also drink play pool all that stuff
yeah she told reporters everybody liked him he was very friendly and even the lawyer who defended him on the axe murder charge like the one of uh the two guys in the encampment was like shocked by his confessions was like i don't know if i believe them like they're they don't line up he said i found him to be very honest and direct he has a sophisticated sense sense of humor and he always was very very respectful of me he was never rude or violent that's so insane yeah now joseph stein's daughter lisa however had other feelings about him and said i suspected he was guilty but i wanted to believe
he didn't do it it's interesting that it seems like some guys are like he was such a good guy like there are women that said it there's yeah because there's lisa and connie the two bartenders who were like she was great right but it is interesting interesting that the daughter was like, yeah, I saw another side of him.
Yeah. Well, she's just like, I suspect he probably did it, but she's also like, I hope he didn't because like that sucks.
Right. Now, after his arrest and the confessions, he agreed to lease, lead police to, um, to Catherine Magaziner's grave. Like I said before.
Yeah. And although he was cooperating with the locations, like he was like, yes, I will lead you to these bodies.
He was no help with identifying these women in his first confession.
He admitted to strangling a sex worker to death and burying her body body near the trailer that's what he said but when they asked her name he said haven't got a clue and that was Catherine that's so sad yeah now you think maybe because I mean because of like his constant drug use maybe he didn't no I think he just didn't care you think that's what it was yeah I don't think this can be like I don't even think it's like cloudy like whatever I think he literally just didn't care they didn't even yeah learn because the way he's like I haven't got a clue why would I give a shit about that like it
was said like that like very very like, why, why would I have her name?
Like just rushed it off.
He's just gross. Yeah.
Now, because this is such a strange case and was such a strange case at the time, they needed some help with the recovery and identification process because he's not giving them anything.
And unfortunately he has picked a couple of victims that didn't have direct ties with their families at the moment.
So it was hard to identify.
Right. So Baltimore investigators called in the the assistance of William Rodriguez, who was one of a very small number of board certified forensic anthropologists in the country.
It's such a cool job.
It really is. And Rodriguez, such an important job.
Yeah. Rodriguez had also worked as a medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and had worked on some really high profile cases where he assisted in identifying victims of mass casualty cases.
One of these was the 1994 crash of US Air Flight 427, that went down near Pittsburgh.
Those kind of things where mass casualty events happen like that and people have to be identified, I can't imagine the daunting task of that.
The pressure, yeah.
He also worked on the case of a crash of two Blackhawk helicopters during the Iraq War in 1994.
Wow. So he was an expert.
And he was also an expert on decomposition and the effects of the natural environment on decomposing human remains, like the body farm.
um this was a perfect case for him to be put on because katherine's remains had been buried and reburied in the woods for two years because he had exhumed her yeah um so this put the investigators at a disadvantage when it came to determining what damage was done by matheny and what damage was done by the environment and natural causes yeah days after the remains were exhumed rodriguez was able to identify katherine through dental records matched to whatever remaining teeth were in the lower mandible that he left he's a rock star and thank goodness that that lower mandible had teeth right left
on and that it was left there because it helped identify her now joe milaney's confessions uh provided investigators with very detailed accounts of the violent sexual assault and murders that he committed on these women but as they investigated some more of the the claims they started to wonder how much of this is truth and how much of this is exaggerated right they were able to say he is violent he's a violent monster clearly he's a violent sexual offender he's a violent murderer but then there were other things like this is where it's going to get kind of wild at one point he told investigators
that he'd partially cannibalized some of the victims and had even served some of these victims remains to patrons of a food stand that he had he said quote i cut the meat up and put it in some tupperware bowls then put it in the freezer i opened up a little open pit beef stand i had real roast beef and pork sandwiches they were very good the human body taste was very similar to pork if you mix it together other no one can tell the difference jesus christ of course everyone seized on to this part in the press because who wouldn't yeah why wouldn't that shock literally everyone yeah but it should be
noted here that there is no evidence of him having a sandwich stand of any kind yeah maybe he did yeah because he wouldn't go through the process of getting a permit and everything but i could find nothing that says nobody who said they went to that stand nobody who saw that stand no no no business having to do with that stand, nothing.
Who knows? Right. He absolutely could have. And he sounds capable of it.
But I think this is one of those things that he said to shock people.
Because all of the victims that were found were intact aside from the mandible being left, right?
That's what it seems like.
So I don't, he could be trying to say these are the other victims that you can't find the bodies of.
And then you would also think that if he was living at least in that trailer at the time, they would find evidence of that yeah that's what i was thinking you know i think it's him lying right because the other thing is he didn't other than that trailer it doesn't sound like he had a setup home so where was he really doing exactly where would he have been able to do that exactly so i think it's just what a fucked up thing to lie about fucked up lie and i think he said he would have kept going until rita kemper got away like he would have kept going after her and he He said, and this is like really
gross. He said, everything was going pretty good until I ran out of my special meat.
So I lured another bitch up to my trailer.
I got her in there and started to rip her clothes off and knocking the hell out of her.
She was screaming, but there was no one around to hear her except me.
And I just kept on laughing at her.
And he's talking about Rita Kemper.
And she said, he was screaming in her face, scream all you want.
Oh, my God. So that is true.
That's like a nightmare.
there now this is how he described her getting away by the way he said i turned around for a split second and that was my mistake she ran out the door before i could get to her there was an eight foot chain chain link fence with barbed wire on top of it around the front of the company there was a stack of wooden pallets next to the fence about 10 feet high that bitch scaled those pallets like a monkey and jumped the fence and ran down to the main road where some guy in a pickup up truck picked her up and took her to a nearby gas station where they called the cops holy shit she's killed a 10 foot
pallet yeah good for her and he said well i knew the cops were on the way but i didn't run i gathered her up her clothing grabbed the keys to the gate and went out and opened it soon as i step out the gate a cop car pulled up and the cop jumped out and pulled his gun on me and told me to get on the ground and that's where it all came to an end but that's not how that happened right i was like wait i think i missed that part exactly that's not how it happened but that was part of his confession also like hey the cops um they can talk to each other and check each other's they know how it happened
and he supposedly ended his confession with this very crass ending he said well that's my story horrible but true so the next time you're riding down the road and you happen to see an open pit beef stand that you've never seen before make sure you think about this story before you take a bite of that sandwich sometimes you never know who you may be eating haha jesus yep now within days of his arrest his defense attorney margaret mead told reporters i don't know if what the state is calling a confession is really a confession which makes sense for a defense attorney to say but also like yeah probably
yeah and she said that metheny was depressed confused and under a lot of medication when he made that confession And as far as she knew, any crimes committed were done, quote, under the influence of heroin, cocaine or alcohol.
It doesn't mean he didn't murder people.
You still can't murder people like that doesn't fix that.
It's always against the law.
Yeah. What's wild to me about this is she said that then in relation.
So she said that in relation to the confessions about the murders of Catherine, Tony and Kimberly, she said, I have no reason not to believe him.
That's what she told the later reporters.
quarters. So she said the confession is bullshit, but I have no reason to not believe it.
I don't know if the state, what the state is calling a confession is really a confession.
And then she said he's depressed, confused under a lot of medication.
We can't really believe him.
Don't listen to what he says, but I don't have any reason.
But then she says, I have no reason not to believe him.
And then she said, I've always found him to be forthright and honest. So you just fucked yourself, ma 'am.
Like what? Like you literally what?
I feel like the defenses that we're talking about lately like some of them i'm just like you wrote that down like yeah like what then i'm like was that meant to just confuse people maybe it's just like a tactic to confuse people but i'm like i don't know if you should confuse people like that's just gonna have a mistrial that's not gonna win your case but she also insisted that matheny insisted he he adamantly denies that joseph stein had any knowledge or participated in any of these crimes okay so he's is saying like he had nothing to do with it that's also his bro so well and he he constantly
allowed him to work there a lot of exactly there so of course he's gonna i don't know if it doesn't sound like there's any evidence to connect joseph stein to any of these crimes so i'll say that it sounds like he was legally cleared yeah now after working to verify all the claims that he started making in his confession investigators were pretty confident at least about his his confessions to the murders of uh katherine kimberly and tony lynn so on january 30th joe muthaney was indicted for the three killings and a trial date was set for march of nine in for in march of 1997 but by the time the arrangement
came in march the detectives have been unable to find any evidence conclusively linking him to the murder of tony lynn and gracia really so they They had forced the district attorney, Patricia Jessamy, to drop the charges and the third murder because they didn't have sufficient evidence, even though he confessed to it.
And he did not lead them to that body?
No, he did not. Oh, OK.
Yeah. Now, despite confessing to the killings, he did plead not guilty to the murders of Catherine and Kimberly.
And a trial date for that was set for July 8th, 1997.
OK. So now we're only going to be able to get him on the two.
That's sad. So in a press conference following that arraignment, Jessamine, the district attorney, indicated that she intended to seek the death penalty.
This would be the first time it was invoked in Maryland since 1993.
Wow. According to Margaret Mead, the defense attorney, she said the district attorney's office had originally offered a sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole in exchange for a plea of guilty.
But Margaret Mead said that was not a reasonable plea.
guilty yeah she she was not going to allow him to plead guilty okay like okay she's like yeah let's just go up against the death penalty let's try that so july 8th was not his trial because his attorney petitioned for a change of venue they said quote i think with the facts of this case it would be better off if this were in another jurisdiction but don't worry because while he was awaiting that trial he went on trial for the kidnapping and assault of rita kemper in november of 1997 the prosecution for this case went about it by showing the jury that metheny was a violent unpredictable predator who lost
it when rita kemper refused his very aggressive advances and they claimed he was had every intent on killing her and they were 100 right in my opinion abso -fucking -lutely but his defense just said and i quote prosecutors were taking a simple dispute between metheny and kemper and having it blown up to include attempted murder murder kidnapping and attempted rape I'm sorry but if a simple motherfucking dispute ends in me scaling a 10 -foot uh pallet and then hopping over a barbed wire fence also nothing simple about that he later confesses to it he didn't confess to it at this point yeah he confessed
to it later like late like he definitely did this he definitely it's exactly how Rita Kemper said it happened it's how she said it happened and up until the point where he says the cop Opp showed up.
Yeah. Their stories kind of match up.
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On November 17th, after a very short deliberation, the jury returned a verdict of not guilty in the attempted murder of Kemper but found him guilty of the assault kidnapping and sexual assault charges and he did get 50 years in prison for this good this is before he even goes on trial for murder so he's already in there he's already in there for 50 years holy shit i'm very interested as to why they didn't find him guilty on the attempted murder i think maybe they just couldn't get i attempted murder i feel like it's a tough one it's a hard hard one to prove yeah this may have led to how they found
Matheny on Sunday March 22nd in his jail cell this sentence prison guards found him unconscious and bleeding heavily from a wound to his neck he was transported to the University of Maryland Medical Center for treatment and he lived I saw that but after multiple delays he finally did go on trial for the Kimberly Spicer or murder on april 23rd 1997 in a bench trial in the baltimore circuit court also like way to make yourself look guilty yeah like we already know you are but like that exactly the prosecution's case was pretty much the same kind of thing bethany was a violent predator who when refused
by any women just took what he wanted aggressively however he could we see that and they used the confession as some of the most damning evidence against him and it was played in full for the court that must have have been horrible yeah on the tape he he can be heard saying i killed her i'm a very sick person i need help okay yeah and after that prosecutors called detective homer pennington to the stand and he testified that metheny was alert and cooperative at the time of the interview and gave interviewers every reason to believe he was being truthful about the murders of katherine and kimberly
yeah now after the kidnapping and attempted rape and murder trial of rita kemper His defense team probably knew this wasn't going to go their way.
So they went about it by just kind of mitigating any further and previous damages that they could.
Meade told the court that there were, quote, mitigating factors in Matheny's history, like his drug addiction and being raised in a supposedly abusive household.
And this led him down a path, you know, of addiction and violence and the hard relationships with women basically going on that whole train.
it's like chica plenty of people grow up in horrible horrible households plenty of people struggle with addiction and don't murder people exactly after three weeks of the trial judge clifton gordy found metheny guilty of the first degree murder of kimberly spicer um because he forwent a jury trial he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole and although the district attorney's office did want that death penalty judge gordy said that they quote had failed to establish that methanie robbed spicer or sexually assaulted her while she was alive either of these things would have made
him eligible for the death penalty what a wild world we live in yeah it's wild to me that like murder doesn't constitute the death penalty alone you have to be sexually assaulted while you were still alive that's why the death penalty is a wild thing it is weird it's wild i didn't realize that was part of it it's it's At least in Maryland, I guess.
Weird scenario. Yeah.
Now that the Kimberly Spicer trial was done and he had been found guilty and got life, the trial for Catherine Magaziner was upon them and the death penalty was again going to be sought for this one.
So on September 25th, Joe Matheny actually chose to rescind his not guilty plea and entered a guilty plea to the murder of Catherine.
This time he opted for a jury for the sentencing phase, which is interesting.
Throwing everybody around.
Yeah. yeah during the sentencing hearing the prosecution said that joe metheny had committed a capital offense which consummate constituted capital punishment they said he murdered katherine stole her clothing and purse and had later buried had buried it on the stein lot and they provided evidence they played his initial confession where he not only admitted to murdering katherine but also said he took her belongings and later desecrated her body all which was done for quote quote, a sense of power and because he got a rush out of it.
And he did say this himself during his confession.
He said his murder rampages started as revenge, he said, but ended up as, quote, a passion for the taste and overwhelming sense of power that one gets from taking another's life.
Wow. How profound. Yeah.
After four days of testimony, the jury deliberated for just two hours and then sentenced Joe Matheny to death, along with a concurrent sentence of 10 years for the robbery.
Hmm. Which if they were going by the requirements laid out to them by judge Gordy, they were, I guess, right with this sentencing.
Um, standing before the judge at sentencing, he told the jury, quote, the words I'm sorry will never come out for.
They would be a lie.
I'm more than willing to give up my life for what I've done to have God judge me and send me to hell for what I've done.
So he literally said, you will never hear me say I'm sorry, because that would just be a lie.
i i'm not sorry wow in a press conference after the hearing his defense team told reporters that his statement to the jury quote belies his feelings of guilt and self -hatred but he got what he wanted good try good try with that one lie so in 2000 joe methaney's death sentence came under mandatory review by the court of appeals that constitution um and although the the justices agreed with the conviction they said the prosecution had failed to prevent the present sufficient evidence to support the claim of robbery as an aggravating circumstance deserving a death sentence that's also happening a lot
lately in our cases yeah it is it's a factor but it's not an aggravating factor it's true that is that's funny now the issue wasn't whether he had killed and robbed katherine like the justices were like yes we agree with all of that it was if But whether he had murdered the woman in the commission of a robbery, which would make that eligible for death penalty.
And they reviewed the case and the court determined that he had taken magazine or his belongings after killing her, but it was done primarily to get rid of evidence and to take what little cash she had as an afterthought.
It wasn't the primary thing or like you were just saying an aggravating circumstance.
Now in the final report, port justice james smith said metheny was charged with robbery only because the body and the clothing were found in different locations another person who had killed their victim but buried the victim in her clothes would not qualify for the death penalty so as a result all his convictions were upheld but the death sentence was vacated and this case was sent back to the lower court for resentencing which he did end up getting sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole so he was quickly transported to western correctional institution in cumberland sweet
he later during more confessions would claim he had a six -year -old son with a girlfriend and one day while he was at work as a truck driver she took him and he never found them and he later said this girlfriend ran off with another man took their six -year -old son with them eventually the six -year -old son ended up in social service custody because of neglect and abuse and he went off to find them and kill them like the man and his girlfriend uh -huh and anyone who got in his way okay so this was his way of being like this is why i did this revenge and in his confession yeah and in his confession he
said he killed three men and four women on his way to this revenge he said two men i chopped up with an axe under a bridge in south baltimore this is because he said they were two men who did drugs with his old lady and they wouldn't give him any information about her so he killed them okay he said quote i was found not guilty for them because they couldn't prove i did it he then said under that same bridge i killed two women and one man who's fishing and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time i weighed down their bodies and put them in the river i showed the police where i put
them about three years later but they couldn't find them so they couldn't charge me for them he claimed he was it was a very busy night for him that night five murders in seven hours exactly ash just did a face like no i was like i don't think so i found no record of this man ever having a child by the way yeah no record he can't find it it sounds like he's just trying to be like i am such a doting father and that's why this all happened he did not have a child yeah joe mcthaney does not have a child not one he knew about that's for sure now on the afternoon of sunday august 5th 2017 guards at the western
correctional institution in cumberland discovered joe methani unresponsive in his cell around 3 p .m he was pronounced dead a short time later and an investigation was launched to determine the cause and circumstances of his death but to this day there appears to be no cause of death that has been released to the public huh no one knows what happened there no we do not interesting so that is the wild and and horrifying and disgusting and confusing story yeah of joe metheny that was that was a particularly brutal one yeah it's just upsetting and it's so sad um that one of the victim's mothers was like
she always came back that's the thing like she did leave when we would have an argument but always that's so sad yeah because she probably was just waiting for her daughter her to come back and then she finds out what exactly what happened to her it's like oh my god yeah so wow that was a really rough it's just a case that makes you feel really gross afterwards yeah it's just bizarre and the fact i so whenever these like people go after people who they deem to be unworthy of being missed yeah you know that's when it really is like oh it's such an unsettling case too because as much as he is a liar
i do wonder well you just don't know that's the thing that's the problem is you don't know the bounds of his lies and especially like albert fish yeah well especially where he lived in that community for so long and like yeah you know there's truths in there yeah like it's not all lies but he definitely is exaggerating a lot of it i don't believe there's any human meat burgers anywhere no i don't think so either you know i that's a thing that's so gross and just i think it was him trying to be like extra gross well and i think that and him to further terrify people because he was like every time
you go to a fucking meat counter like think of me it's like his little way of being like i'm the boogeyman you know like um no i don't even believe in how but i hope he's there i hope you're somewhere terrible yeah that's for sure something somewhere gross yeah or somewhere really clean because i think that would stress you out more yeah you know just in like a weird like white cubicle yeah just that's nothing with nothing in it and just drive you crazy ah yeah terrible story that was interesting um i commend you for being able to put that together thank you you're welcome with the help of dave
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