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Hey, weirdos. It's me.
It's Alayna. What's going on?
How's your day? I hope it's awesome.
That's all I wanted to say.
No, I'm just kidding.
This is a message because I think a couple of episodes ago, we talked about how we are going back to the OG way of doing things.
We're doing two episodes a week, two big old honking, delicious, juicy episodes with one listener tale a month just as a little cherry little glitter on top of a crazy month and we're going to keep doing that but I think we were also debating what days would be best for this new two episode a week cadence because we figured you know from Wednesday to Monday is a long wait for us and for you too much we'd all be sad we don't want that so we finally came up with a good cadence we're going to drop episodes on Monday and Thursday from here on out so Mondays Thursdays that's when they'll come out on Wondery
Plus then a week later you will get them Monday and Thursday for everybody else so that's what we're gonna do you deserve consistency we want to give it to you I know we didn't do that in the first like three years we were like willy -nilly whatever you get episodes here it is but you know we're on that consistency train and we want to stay on that and yeah I think this is going to work for everybody it just feels better we don't want that big chunk of time between episodes you don't either um so yeah that's what we're going to do too.
Mondays, Thursdays, new episodes.
We're excited about it.
It lets us really put more time and effort into these episodes, which is what they deserve and what you deserve.
And we fucking love you.
And I can't wait to see you every Monday and Thursday.
I know I won't see you.
I realize that I won't even hear you, but it feels like I will and you will hear me.
So we're all in this together.
We're best friends.
Thanks, guys. Mondays, Thursdays.
hey weirdos i'm elena i'm ash and this is morbid it's a listener tale episode and you know what that means it is brought to you by you for you from you and all about you baby it's also morbid uh in the nighttime it's morbid at 12 23 a .m morbid at almost midnight it's just a little past well uh and you know what before we jump into this we have a little bit of like news i suppose yeah kind of a change in process i I suppose.
Breaking news. That.
Exactly that. So we've been, you know, we've been, like, we changed the way we did things.
We added another episode every week with a listener tail on Fridays.
You know, the process has been different for a few months, and we've been seeing how it's going.
Yeah. And it just feels different.
It hasn't, we haven't been able to settle into this enough.
No. And we've been kind of taking your feedback and, like, mulling over it and we've been comparing that with how we're feeling and we're all lining up yeah all of us are all aligned the stars and us are all aligned we're all lining up together and we decided that we're gonna go back to the way things were before when when we started like the way things were when you guys like the way we got you all here the way you came to us you know We started out and after, I don't know, it must have been like a year or two in that we started doing two episodes a week, and that mini -morbid became a full episode.
And then we were at two episodes a week, and we did one episode every month that was a listener tale.
And you guys dug that.
It felt like that was, and we dug that.
I was just going to say, and we dug that.
It felt doable. We felt like we were always able to put enough time and effort into the main episodes.
episodes and i think we're not feeling that way right now no and we have dave who's a really big help he's our like research assistant now and he's fucking phenomenal but like it's a lot and like and so when and when we change to three episodes a week it's just like with you know the buffy podcast and with scream and frozen head frozen head like we're we're burning out a little bit and we're recognizing that we were not but we are what we are like we lied um but and i think people are noticing I've gotten a few messages that are like are you okay yeah I've gotten a lot of messages like that thank
you for giving a shit like thank you for noticing I feel like that says so much about our listener base it does because like that and that's when it started to hit us we're like all right people are seeing that we're getting tired so we we got together we decided you know what we're taking it back old school we're gonna do two main huge episodes every week because I feel like these episodes are getting meatier and meatier and we want to to continue with that because that's the main attraction every time you say meteor I always think that you're talking about a meteor yeah yeah I am no they're
getting more space no no no we're not we are not talking about space she's real scared about space right now but like you can't control it I'm in a phase I it's but yeah you know either way the we want to keep these main episodes like really be able to focus all our attention and like you know we don't want want to burn ourselves out we don't want to burn dave out we don't want to burn you out we don't want to burn you out so we're gonna take it back we're gonna do still do the two main episodes everywhere like that's not gonna change so don't worry that'll never change it's keeping it the same
it's always been but instead of doing the listener tales every single friday we're gonna do it just once a month uh it just feels right it feels like it's gonna be a treat again it used to be a treat you know like it was always that thing that we were like oh guys we're doing a listener listener tail because like, whoa, that case was gnarly.
Like let's have a palate cleanser here.
And now you'll have them to look forward to.
I feel like when it's like every Friday, it's like, it's been fun.
Like I don't hate it by any means, but I'm like, now it's going to be like exciting to do listener tails, like even more so.
Yeah. It becomes a treat for us and it becomes a treat for you guys again.
And that's all we really want to do.
We just want to make this a fun experience for everybody.
If you eat ice cream every night after dinner, it's not that exciting I need to go get ice cream anymore.
But if you get it once a month, it's a lot of fun.
Or like once a week.
So just letting you know that that's what's going to happen.
And again, two main episodes, stick it around.
Don't worry about that.
And we'll let you know because it's going to be instead of the Friday episode, we're going to figure out where these two main episodes are going to release now.
Yeah. This is really just better for everybody.
I think you're still getting the exact same amount of main episodes.
That's not changing.
changing but it's just we don't want to burn out and we don't want to start you know like not being able to put as much as we want to put into main episodes you know yeah so so i think this will be good for everybody and again this is like we're taking your feedback like this is this is your show as much as it is as it is ours and we just want to make it what you want it to be exactly sorry somebody sent mail and it made a noise how fucking dare they so yeah so thanks for like you you know, sharing that and thanks for giving a shit about us and actually like messaging us being like, are you okay?
We are okay. We were just, we really were burning out though.
Like there was, it was starting to get a little much. And, you know, we love this and we love you and we just want to keep, keep doing that.
So. You look so earnest right now.
I am earnest. I know you are, but you just, I love morbid for what it is.
And I want it to be what what it was, you know?
Like, I don't want it to change and keep...
Like, evolving is one thing, changing is a different thing.
You just read my fucking mind.
I was saying that. Because we're taking it back old school.
Kicking it. We always read each other's minds.
That never stops. That's what I was going to say.
I'm just nostalgic right now.
Psychic abilities. So, you know what?
Here we are. We're in a listener tale right now.
Here we are. Here we are.
In six minutes, we should shut the fuck up and get on to it.
We should shut the fuck up.
shot never up so you know what the first tale that i'm gonna read is called the time my grandfather was kidnapped and the time my grandfather arranged an illegal adoption with the help of the capone mafia i absolutely love a two -for -one listener tale who doesn't who doesn't my friend show me someone don't please uh so this one says hi ladies my name is valerie and i'm new here i discovered your buffy rewatcher podcast i love that you found us through the buffy rewatch your podcast. I know that's the first time that we've heard that.
And I'm having the best time listening to you discuss my favorite TV show.
In middle school, my friends and I assigned each other Buffy personas.
I was Buffy. And I named my dog Angel.
Anyway, I soon discovered you have been podcasting about my other favorite subject, true crime.
And my love for you blossomed.
Our love for you did the same.
I started listening from the beginning and I'm catching up quickly.
I'm submitting two Two stories about my grandfather as told to me by my father.
And still somewhat in his voice.
Pick your favorite.
Read both. They're short.
I've attached to Puttapha.
No idea how that's spelled or what it even means.
Again, I'm new here.
But rumor has it that you like to read large fonts, and I support that.
That's the truth. I love you.
All the rumors are true, yeah.
I never got to meet my, not all of them.
I never got to meet my grandfather.
God, no. I was just singing Lizzo.
No, I'm just kidding.
I never got to meet my grandfather.
as he passed away the year before I was born.
From the stories I've heard, he was quite a character.
He was movie star handsome, picture attached, can't confirm.
He was. With a quick and biting wit, so he was a dreamboat.
He found himself in a lot of colorful situations.
Feel free to use our names.
From what I know about my grandfather, he'd love to have 15 minutes of fame.
I love that. My favorite thing is there's a picture of him in an old -timey boxer pose.
I know. I love it. And his shirt says, I.
I. I. His shirt does say I.
No, no, it doesn't.
It says I. That's exactly what it says.
Yeah. It says it in that voice.
This guy's shirt wouldn't just be like I.
It's I. Like I'm going to punch you in your face, dog.
Oh, man. Oh, all right.
This story takes place in the mid -1920s.
Oh, it's for Alena.
Oh, yeah. It's my time.
the hillman department store was one of the biggest department stores in chicago chicago chicago edward hillman jr was the chicago department store heir who was in the newspapers for his glamorous life his marriages and divorces to actresses brought him further local celebrity status my grandfather edward hillman hereby known as ed was a handsome and dapper young gentleman around the same age as edward jr one evening ed meaning her grandfather was accosted by three buttheads forced into their car and brought to their apartment for ransom despite his protests he could not convince these assholes
that he wasn't the edward hillman son of the hillman department store owner oh they had the same name mistaken identity yes they told him that he had had to come up with $5 ,000 in order to be released.
Oh, my God. Ed thought quickly and said that he'd call his kid brother, Herbert, to get the funds and bring it over.
Herbert was a tough 16 -year -old.
He was part of a Jewish gang that was known for getting into fights and minor trouble.
Herb was an amateur boxer called the Smiling Slugger because he loved to fight and fought with a smile on his face.
That's iconic. I love this.
So that was Herbert.
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Ed called his brother and said, matter -of -factly, I'm in a bit of trouble and I need $5 ,000.
Please go pick it up and bring it over.
Telling Herb to bring $5 ,000 gave Herb a clear understanding of what the situation was because it was a lot of money in those days.
And Ed and Herb's combined bank account was about $5 ,000 short of that.
A few hours later, these criminals were looking out the window waiting for their money and they saw a young guy approaching.
Herb knocked on the apartment door and feeling no threat and happy that their mission was successful one of the kidnappers opened the door hello as he opened the door herb greeted him with a hard punch to the face which broke his nose and splattered a lot of blood his mama said knock you out that's righty she did then herb rushed at the second man and overpowered him with a series of punches oh my god the third man surrendered i'm obsessed with that the third guy was like no i don't even want to deal with Oh my god, I just had a smoker's cough at that He reminds me of Arthur Um, Arthur Shelby From Peaky
Blinders Yeah, me too I'm just saying, like he's a boxer and he's like wily Does he say aye He does not say aye All this happened in a matter of seconds Tom, or excuse me, Herb I almost said Tom from Thomas Shelby Herb proceeded to empty Their wallets and take their cash Hell yeah, he was like You want my cash, I'm gonna take yours course he took note of the addresses on their ids and prepared a note for them to sign each pledging herbert 50 for his troubles which he later collected he made them pay for him kicking the shit out of that's hilarious he was like i had to come out of my house and come
beat the shit out of you and save my brother and you're gonna pay me for that that's iconic after thanking the quote -unquote gentlemen nicely for being such good sports herb and ed left my dad my dad asked I asked his father what he was doing during the melee.
He replied, I was filing my nails.
What? As the fight is happening, he's like, I was filing my nails.
Wow. I love that a lot.
Ed and Herb are already icons.
But let's go to this illegal adoption thing.
Let's fucking do it.
In the early 1940s, my grandfather owned and operated a currency exchange in Cicero, Illinois.
Around the corner was a business owned and operated by Ralph Capone, Al Capone's brother.
Wowie Kazowie. The office was used to collect money from bookies, the numbers game, lottery, and other amusements.
Since Ralph Capone collected money in smaller dominations, $1, $5, $10 bills, he approached my grandfather about exchanging these small bills for larger ones, including $1 ,000 bills that the government was taking out of circulation.
My grandfather obliged and got as many $1 ,000 bills as he could, and Ralph was very appreciated.
I did not know that there was ever $1 ,000 bills.
An attractive 18 -year -old girl came to the currency exchange regularly to cash her check.
My grandfather enjoyed talking with her because she was so pretty and kind.
One day, she came in looking very upset.
My grandfather asked her what was wrong.
Was she ill? She confessed that she was pregnant and her boyfriend had no intention of marrying her.
My grandfather remembered that his brother -in -law knew a couple interested in adopting a baby and was growing impatient with the red tape.
My grandfather put two and two together and said to the girl, I think I might be able to help you out.
When you come back next week, I might have some good news for you.
He contacted the childless couple and told them the situation.
They agreed on an arrangement.
Look at this guy just fucking making things happen.
Making dreams come true.
When the girl came in, he told her his idea about placing the child with the couple and told her the financial compensation.
The couple was willing to pay all expenses, including her hospital bills subsidize her wages while she was unable to work plus give her several thousand dollars as a gift oh my god after a brief meeting with her and her boyfriend everything was finalized she had a baby girl and the transfer was made very smoothly everyone seemed very happy with the arrangement months later the baby daddy thought it over and felt that he could have and should have gotten more money get the fuck out i love that he did not want to be there i thought you were gonna say like oh he thought it over and he was like no no no i
want my baby no he just thought he should get more money for his child oh okay he went to my so much work exactly he went to my grandfather and demanded that he receive more money or my grandfather was going to have quote unquote a big problem with him he's like you don't know who i work with yeah after thinking it over my grandfather decided to go visit ralph capone to seek his advice there we go being an amateur actor my grandfather laid the story on so thick that it it brought tears to the gangster's eyes.
Oh my god! Capone told my grandfather to tell the boyfriend to meet him at a certain location and he'll give him the additional money.
I am alive. My grandfather did just as he was told and got to the meeting place a little early to wait.
The baby daddy showed up wearing a big smile walking towards my grandfather greedily looking forward to the money transaction.
At the same time, two rough -looking guys got out of their car.
They took the man by each of his arms, dragged him into the car, and sped away.
Shit! it months later my grandfather was walking near his business and spotted the boyfriend walking towards him upon seeing my grandfather the boyfriend turned and ran in the opposite direction as fast as he could the 40s were fucking wild i love it like there were days where you could just like fuck somebody up for being a dick and everybody was just like okay and everybody was just like yeah i probably deserved it could look the other way yeah i'm gonna look the other way man it's fucking wild wow that was a valerie that was a good one that was a good old tale yeah i loved it so much i am absolutely
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and I think I'll love this next tale too oh this is a good this is a good title I'm getting horse oh that's not the title um it's entitled we could have been on Dateline oh no that's not good no that's not something you want to be on that is definitely not it it says hello I've attached a listener tale about a close call on vacation I call it we could have been on Dateline thank thank you for reading.
I don't know if I can say, I can.
Awesome. It says, hi ladies, my name is Kristen.
You can use my name in all the names in the story.
Thanks. And this listener tells a collaboration of some of your most loyal listeners.
Oh, I love that. Well, almost all of us.
One of us doesn't like spooky things.
It's probably my fault for making her watch The Exorcist when she was 12.
Sorry, Jodi. Sorry, Jodi.
Sorry, Jodi. I'm just kidding.
Sorry, Sorry, Jodi.
Just jokes. We will all be so excited if you choose our story for an episode.
Oh, shit. We'll be famous amongst our nearing middle -aged mom friends.
Hell yeah. We'll call them up and pour a glass of wine because you're famous, baby.
You're about to make it big, kid.
Your name's gonna be in lights.
You're gonna be in pictures.
You too, Jodi. Just kidding.
It's only a podcast. Yay.
This story is about a time when the four of us came close to being featured on an episode of Dateline in the early 2000s.
Let's go back to the summer of 2000.
Let's go back to that.
You know what's wild?
Already trailing off.
I have had that Jonas Brothers song stuck in my head.
And I said I've been to the year 3000 and I'm getting homicidal over it.
That's wild. And 2000 just reminded me of that.
Just made you think of it.
But anyways, we're not going forward. We're going backwards to the summer of 2000 when four friends from Seattle named Emily, Erin, Jodi, and Kristen.
That's you. I think it is, who just graduated from high school, took their first trip together.
That is the most exciting trip.
My grandfather owned a townhouse in Lake Tahoe and offered it to me and some friends for a week as a graduation gift. What a fun way to celebrate our newly found quote -unquote adulthood.
Of course, we had parents who weren't going to let us go unchaperoned, so Emily's mom drove us down in Jodi's mom's minivan.
Once we got to Tahoe, Emily's mom set up her own vacation elsewhere, so the four of us had the townhouse to ourselves.
let me just say that we were good girls like really good girls we created a pyramid of soda cans that we had consumed above the fireplace not beer cans oh my god you're me we went to a museum we swam in the lake we took one of those old tiny photos where we were dressed up like cowboy sex worker bank robbers the riskiest thing we did on this trip was go see a fortune teller in downtown tahoe which make it made us feel like super cool risk takers it's so funny we were We were just talking about that that was you.
The townhouse was a part of a large complex near a marina.
I was about to say marinara.
Wow. Near some marinara sauce.
Near some marinara.
Near a fine chicken parmesan.
The townhouse was a mozzarella stick.
Oh, man. Late night morbid.
All the townhouses.
leave me alone all of the townhouses looked exactly the same from the outside our particular townhouse was three stories tall we walked in a front door from the driveway and up a set of stairs to the main living space with the kitchen and the living room then walked up another set of stairs to reach top floor where the bedrooms were.
Lots of walking. There were two bedrooms. One had double twin beds just off the hallway.
That's where Emily and Erin slept.
At the end of the hallway was a master bedroom where Jodi and I slept.
The bathroom had two doors, one that led into the master bedroom and another into the hallway, so you could walk from the master bedroom through the bathroom to get into the hallway.
There was a queen -sized bed against the back wall and a little love seat next next to the door that led to the hallway.
The master bedroom had a huge skylight.
It also had a door that led to the outside.
We never used this door, as it went down a long flight of steep stairs to the grassy common spaces between the townhouses.
Well, one night after drinking more soda and watching The Cutting Edge or some other 90s rom -com, we fell asleep.
It's important to note that at this time, Jodi had forgotten to pack pajamas.
Oh, that sucks. And had just purchased some that day on a trip to target my favorite place she uh and i had been friends since we were two so we didn't super care about sharing a bed in undies at some point during the night i woke up from a deep sleep and noticed a large full moon illuminating the bedroom at first i wasn't sure what had me wake up and i lay there taking stock of the room it was then that i heard loud snoring my sleepy brain trying to make sense of the situation assumed it was emily snoring sorry i'm not sure why i attributed loud snoring to you.
Around the same moment, I also realized that Jodi was saying something to me in a whisper voice.
Obviously the snoring had woken up Jodi too.
I responded, probably in a louder voice, that I thought, why is Emily snoring so loud?
Jodi whispered back, it's not Emily, it's the man.
What? My sleepy brain couldn't keep up with this new information.
What man? I said, again, probably in a voice that was louder than it should have been given the situation jody shushed me and pointed it was then that i realized there was a very large man what the fuck sound asleep on the love seat on the other side of the room next to the bedroom door perhaps three feet from our bed are you kidding me thank god jody had woken up and made a plan because i was still processing the situation she whispered to me to get out of the bed on my side the furthest away from the man and quietly go through the bathroom door so we wouldn't have to walk right next to him to
get out of the room remember this is 2000 we don't have cell phones so in order to get help we have to call from inside the house we go downstairs to the kitchen jodi picks up the largest knife in the kitchen just in case again she's thinking much more quickly than i am that's a jodi that's why jodi doesn't like spooky things she's lived spooky things yeah jodi knows what the fuck is she's good she is she's preparing for for the next thing you know and she calls 9 -1 -1 from the kitchen phone i can hear the operator ask what's your emergency jody we're staying in a condo on vacation and we just
woke up to a man asleep in our bedroom operator do you know the man bitch why would i be calling 9 -1 -1 man yeah bye see you later jody no we went to sleep and when we woke up he was just there asleep on our our couch operator you're sure you don't know this person you know what let me go check oh it's just glenn oh yeah i forgot glenn comes over and falls asleep sometimes jody no operator what's your address pause for us to frantically find the address of the townhouse on a brochure or something on the kitchen counter operator you need to get out of the house immediately the police are on their
way fuck i almost did it again marinara sauce marina security has been alerted get out of the house holy jody but our our friends are still asleep upstairs operator the police will be there soon get out of the house oh my god as fully grown adults we wondered why we didn't go wake up emily and erin to get them out of the house but at the time it just made sense to just get out okay well you were teenagers at the time and somebody's telling you get out of the house you get out of the house the right thing it's like the end of black christmas she wants to go save everybody but they're already dead
but it's just so what are you gonna get out of the fucking house We hang up, and I'm fairly certain Jodi put the knife back so we didn't meet the cops with a large knife in our hands, and head to the last set of stairs in our bare feet.
Remember how Jodi had just purchased pajamas?
As we stand outside in the driveway waiting for the police, we are somehow calm enough to joke that it feels like we're in an episode of Cops.
And if Jodi hadn't gotten pajamas that day, she'd be the crazy lady standing and waiting for the police outside in her underwear.
It felt like the police and the marina security were there within seconds.
We waited outside for a minute While the police officers asked us about the situation Again Yes there's a man on the couch in the master bedroom No we don't know him No we don't know how they got in Our friends are still asleep upstairs in the room Next to him Because we're barefoot and on our PJ's After assessing the situation They have us come in and sit on the couch While they talk to the man Eventually we see what seems like an 8 foot guy Walk down the stairs Escorted by two different police officers behind him in pjs and with their eyes as wide as I have ever seen them walk Emily and Aaron after he
was gone the officers took us into the master bedroom did you know that the outside door to the bedroom isn't locked what the fuck what we had locked the door or at least we thought we had even though it was a few decades before your podcast we already knew that fresh air was for dead people hell yeah and we for sure had locked that door what we didn't know was that the lock was broken no we hadn't ever checked it from the outside we had no idea that the door which led directly into our bedroom had been open the entire time we'd been staying there it turned out that this guy was staying at another
townhouse at the marina he came back to what he thought was his place completely wasted and walked up the long steep staircase to our bedroom which just happened to have a broken lock holy shit we spent the rest of the night playing monopoly or some other game that we found in the condo because we certainly weren't going back to sleep.
We definitely made some comments about how we could have been on cops or worse, datelined if we'd actually gotten murdered.
The next morning, we all called our parents and told them that we had to call the police, but it wasn't because of anything we had done.
Trust me. Remember, we were good girls.
They were all thankful we were okay and the lock got fixed within an hour.
Reflecting on this now as a parent, I cannot imagine how they must have felt getting that call.
We calmed our nerves by watching more 90s rom -coms, adding to the soda can pyramid and playing more games oh yeah we ended up having a really great trip when I texted Emily asking if I should write this story up as a listener tale she said oh yes man we got so lucky yeah you did we did get so lucky we very easily could have become a full -fledged episode of morbid four murdered girls on a vacation in lake tahoe even though we never saw the man again and his entering our bedroom was apparently an innocent drunken mistake steak jody still swears that she saw him giving her a creepy smirk when he
walked down the stairs with the officers she still remembers how gross it was he didn't even have the nerve to look apologetic oh my god at the time we didn't let ourselves think too much about what could have happened what if he'd stumbled in drunk and climbed into bed with us what if he discovered he'd hit the jackpot and found four innocent terror uh innocent teenage girls to terrorize what if wow thank god the what ifs didn't happen but you can bet that every time i stay somewhere or on vacation i check that the law hell yeah you do and now we will too keep it weird ladies but not so weird
that you got intoxicated so intoxicated that you accidentally fall asleep in somebody else's vacation rental and scare the living crap out of teenage girls holy shit that is christy bananas i am so glad that you survived and that you're here you're here you're here i'm just i'm amazed right now that you just woke up to snoring yeah like woke up to snoring and there And there was a giant man in your room asleep.
No thank you. And the fact that you said he looked like he was like eight feet tall when he woke up.
So scary. I'm amazed right now.
Seriously, I'm so freaked out.
Well, my next one is going to be the story of a creepy lab partner and missing chloroform.
Ooh. Because it speaks to me.
I love that. It says, hi, weirdos.
My name is Taylor. And yes, you can use my name if you read this on the podcast. Even if you just read it to yourselves, oh my God.
We did that and then some.
Back in August I was looking for a new podcast to listen to and found Morbid.
I love all these new listeners.
I know. By the second episode I was hooked and found my new favorite podcast. Thank you.
I love how much research and time you guys put into the stories and now you focus on the victims and their families in these terrible crimes.
But you still spit the facts about the case.
Thank you. Thanks. I sadly have already caught up with all the old episodes.
Yes, I work a very boring job at the moment, but at least I get to binge listen to your podcasts all day long.
I love hearing your lives change and everything exciting going on.
Ash, congrats on your engagement and good luck with the wedding planning.
I hope it is the happiest day of your life.
Thank you so much. That was so kind.
Alina, congrats on the book.
I can't imagine writing a book.
I will read it one day, I promise.
But I'm not a big book reader at the moment since I just spent four years reading chemistry textbooks.
That's fair. You know what?
I forgive you. That's fine.
Free pass. Thank you.
I recently graduated with a degree in forensic chemistry.
Holy shit. Holy shit.
With minors in biology, criminal justice and forensic science.
You're a badass. I'm about to join the police academy and hopefully work my way to become a crime scene investigator, my dream job.
You're the best. You also kind of sound like you went down a similar path.
I know. I'm like, damn, you're awesome.
I'm like, yeah, you're awesome.
So if you can't tell.
I didn't even catch that.
I caught it. I caught it as it came out of my own mouth.
So if you can't tell, I really like true crime.
I have always thought of sending in a listener tail but thought nothing in my life is as interesting as the other tales you have read.
But I thought, why the hell not?
YOLO, am I right? I have attached my listener tail in a double -spaced putt -a -fa, and it takes about six minutes to read.
Oh, look at you. I am sorry for all the typos and grammatical errors.
Please don't get mad at me.
I have never been good at writing.
I'm going to get pissed at you.
I'm already pissed off.
But enjoy. Imagine if we were serious.
Imagine if we were like, fuck you.
You know what? On to the next one.
Forget it. This story starts four years ago when I was a very anxious sophomore in college, sitting in one of my chemistry labs when some guy ends up sitting next to me and asking to be my lab partner.
Nope. A tale as old as time.
We exchanged numbers to ask questions about lab and class, and I did not think anything of it.
Further into the semester, he ended up sitting next to me in our lecture portion of the class and would start to say things very casually that would make me feel uncomfortable.
Uh -oh. Mm -hmm. One day we were talking about organic chemistry and realized we had the same female professor, but our classes were at different times.
A few weeks later we were talking about a test that I did not do so hot on and he said, don't worry, I will just force our professor to sleep with me and blackmail her so she'll give you an A.
What? immediately after lab was over, I texted my then boyfriend about what happened during lab.
And he felt that I should try to, I should be nice to this guy because he seemed like he could be potentially dangerous based on the things he would say and was worried about my safety since we were a long distance and I would walk to and from campus by myself because I was not paying $130 to park on campus.
Um, you're not with that boyfriend, right?
I hope not. Because Because if my boyfriend says then boyfriend.
Because like, be nice to this guy who makes you uncomfortable.
Fuck that. What? That's dumb advice.
Yeah. That's really bad advice.
Yeah. I don't know about that.
After this comment, I was nice to him during lab and avoided him at everywhere else.
But I would eventually end up getting multiple texts a day from him.
Because you were nice to him.
Because you were nice.
That's the thing. You don't have to be nice.
From a nice girly. Don't be nice to everybody.
everybody you know what it's you don't need to do it it's just not necessary be nice to people who are nice to you and make you feel good I hardly even answered any texts but he was not seeming to get the hint and was trying to get me to invite him over to my apartment to study no obviously I never told him where I lived and always made up excuses since I didn't want to reject him and make him mad I feel so bad that you were in this situation I know during the semester he would find me when I was doing homework no matter where I was on campus and would come sit next to me in silence because no way
am I trying to have a conversation with this guy.
The semester eventually came to an end and I thought I would never have to see or hear from him again.
Boy was I wrong. The next year was my junior year and I decided to become a chemistry laboratory teaching assistant.
Look at you. Before school started me and my then boyfriend decided to break up.
This is important later I promise.
I'm actually pretty happy about that.
So glad. The week before school started They had all the chemistry student workers come to a safety meeting because chemistry labs equal dangerous chemicals.
I've heard that. While I was sitting on a lab bench waiting for the meeting to get started, guess who walked in through the door?
No. Creepy ass lab partner.
No. Turns out he got a job working in the stock room where he would be with all the lab equipment and lab chemicals.
We made eye contact and he immediately came and sat next to me.
Please move. He was trying to make conversation with me and asked about my boyfriend, and my dumbass told him that we broke up a couple of weeks prior.
Mama. But you're like, I shouldn't have to lie.
No. This then started, but like, lie.
But lie. This then started the spam of text messages every day, telling me my ex -boyfriend was stupid for breaking up with me and blah, blah, blah.
Once again, I never answered any of the messages.
Eventually, he would start showing up to the labs that I was teaching and would just sit there by my desk to try to start conversation with while I was helping a student understand the lab.
He finally stopped showing up to my labs but quickly started showing up to my mandatory tutoring hours.
Luckily, a lot of my students would also show up to my tutoring hours so I could help them with the pre -lab for the next week so I would never have to talk to him.
also hearing all of these things is giving me like like just blah like back to to chemistry class me too like like getting the doing the like pre -lab fucking pre -labs man I hate it pre -labs um it's just making me think of your book yeah there you go this year on my birthday when I got out of class he was standing outside the door with a birthday present what that I did not ask for no that's I didn't know what to do so I said thank you and quickly walked to my next class My senior year, he ended up being in one of my classes and sat in front of me and would still text me every single day.
Like, bro -y, I'm not answering you.
No. This semester, he kept texting me, asking to meet him after class, which I would not do, and would awkwardly sprint out of the class.
After a few weeks of this happening, he sent me a very long text professing his love for me.
I very quickly texted back saying, I'm sorry, but I am not interested and don't see you that way.
Good for you. This started the spamming of my phone where he would be apologizing and that he still wanted to be friends.
At this point I was fed up with this, so I responded telling him that he was making me feel very uncomfortable and to stop texting me, which of course he did not do.
And I ended up blocking his number.
He would then follow me from our class to my next class apologizing, but I did not care anymore, so I would walk with headphones in and ignore every word he said.
he then brought my birthday present to class to give to me since i was no longer talking to him this was in november and my birthday is in february talk about planning ahead since i blocked his number he had started messaging me on instagram facebook and found my snapchat after a while he eventually stopped messaging me and i thought this whole thing was behind me i ended up meeting my now boyfriend yay one day we were walking to his car because he paid for a parking pass and i was still too stubborn to pay for one and we ran straight into Creepy Lab Partner.
I quickly put my head down and played on my phone until we passed each other and did not think anything of it.
That night I got a very angry email from him through our student emails saying that I lied to him and to go fuck myself and many other mean comments about how terrible I was for telling him I did not want to date him.
His tone went from being sorry to being pissed.
At this point I had no idea what to do so I did the only thing I could think of.
I called my parents and told them about the email since they knew everything else was going on.
They both got very worried and told me I needed to go tell someone on campus that I trusted and explain the whole situation in case something did happen.
The next day I went and talked to my amazing boss who encouraged me to go straight to the head of security of the chemistry department.
After hearing the whole story and sat with me while I talked to the head of the chem department.
They then told me that I should go to campus police and make a formal report.
So the next day, my loving boyfriend drove me to the police station.
I then gave my statement to some police officer that made me feel like I was overreacting and making this a bigger deal than it really was.
Wow. A douchebag is what you mean.
So I ended up feeling like I made a mistake and felt stupid for this whole situation.
The officer told me since he never threatened me, they really couldn't do anything.
thing it's wild like the fucking like you have to get hurt for them to do yeah literally though like has he like tried to stab you though yet no and if he does that let us know for sure seriously I decided to move on with my life and never thought though everything was behind me but nope I was wrong again oh no the next week one of my ta friends told me that creepy lab partner was in the library with her and a friend and he in a friend and he made a comment about how easy it it would be to steal chloroform from the stock rooms. He did not think anything of it until the next day when she remembered
everything that I had told her.
She quickly went to report to the department head and I went to class.
That night, me and my roommates were playing board games when I got a call from a random number on my phone.
Turns out it was the department head and he wanted to let me know that he heard about the comment and went to check the chloroform and some of it was missing.
Oh my God. I immediately broke down in tears on our porch Because holy shit.
He then went on to tell me that he already contacted campus police and made them aware of this.
The part that really sucked was I had a chemistry test the next day that I did not get out of.
Obviously, I failed the shit out of that test. The next day, the department head walked into my lab and told me that the stockroom assistant counted wrong and there was no missing chloroform.
Are you fucking kidding me?
I would have been like, so I'm retaking the test, asshole.
I'd be pissed. After talking to my friend that reported the comment, it turns out she was good friends with the stockroom assistant who checked and there was still some missing, but no one knew where it was.
Wow. So the stockroom assistant is trying to like save his butt by being like, I didn't lose any chloroform.
Yeah, exactly. After talking to some of the other chemistry student workers, creepy lab partner was making multiple other girls very uncomfortable.
That is not shocking.
So after all of that, we have no idea if he took the missing chloroform and I finally graduated and got to move out of that small town and away from creepy lab partner so that is the story of creepy lab partner I still feel like I overreacted you did not but it happened and I can't change it so oh well I guess keep it weird weirdos but not so weird ash take it away I'm not good with words girly me either but don't keep it so weird that you fucking steal some chloroform out of a fucking place where they keep chloroform don't keep it that weird that chloroform place I just feel like students should not be
in charge of chloroform.
And that's my takeaway from this.
That is my hot take with Ash.
Hot take with Ash. Maybe we put, like, the teachers in charge of the chloroform.
I just don't know about this, guys.
I feel like we should have some more protocol in place.
Ash is like, chem students are wilding.
I mean, sounds like it.
It's wild west out there.
Chem students are wilding.
um yeah oh man you did but can we just point out you did not overreact yeah no you did not overreact at all and I hate that somebody made you feel that way there is no such thing I personally believe there's no such thing as overreacting when it comes to your feelings about your personal safety yeah absolutely I don't give a fuck if somebody makes you think that you're overreacting because fuck that person exactly it's like if oh I'm sorry am I stressing stressing you out with my feelings about somebody being a dick to me.
Fuck off. That's your job, campus police officer.
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Oy vey. Well, I think we've got time to read one more.
Listen to y 'all. Which one are we going to do?
I picked my roommate was slowly being replaced by her doppelganger in her haunted chair factory yeah you did pick that because I wanted to know a lot about the haunted chair factory and I wanted to know if the doppelganger was a live person or if they had once been a live person and they are now a ghost I also want to know that well let's find out motherfucker whoop hello deb deb and maybe ashen elena if I charm and dazzle deb deb enough you did you did it let me address ask a couple pieces of business before we get into the fun you can call me nick nick nick all names have been changed attached
as a double -spaced putt -a -fut it is short but it hopefully packs a motherfucking punch i added the motherfucking and now for the affection you ladies have saved my life in more ways than you know thank you keep doing what you're doing your work may uh maintain some karmic order in the universe i'm convinced with all my luck nick that was so sweet damn all right it says until now i didn't think i had any tales to send in but alas there was the doppelganger affair the doppelganger affair oh just that i'm a medical student another thing who was getting ready to match in my reggae fuck i am a medical
student who is getting ready to match into my residency program there you go thanks i'm trying to match into plastic and reconstructive surgery which is hard to do because it's very competitive you're about to be on that nacho nip tuck there you go I would love to just nail people back together what a reference um what a topical reference I think I was thinking of it from the SNL oh yeah episode of nip tuck nip tuck I would love to just nail people back together after an accident or cancer or animal attack etc yeah just nail people back together just nip and tuck them back together returning someone
to some idea of normalcy after a disfiguring tragedy would be the greatest honor of my life wow i really like you you are so kind you're a really cool person nick i know but anyway i currently live with my lovely black kitty who i adore who i love more than my own life i just really threw it i was like you love them no you know you adore them we are bound to each other and will continue to meet lifetime after lifetime into eternity that's how i feel about boba that's how i feel about drew um and my partner he's like animals yeah well and my my cats obviously and my partner he's here too but before
living with them I lived with two other students in a converted chair factory in the industrial area of our city both women were working on their doctorates in physiology holy shit we all met while working in the research lab I got into when I was finishing my master's in physiology I'm a professional student as you can see hell yeah the ladies we'll call them Amy and Sarah spent a lot of time in class in the lab working on research or in the library writing up their findings sarah was a little hummingbird of a person i love that always talking to whoever and having a whole ass conversation extroverted
freak what's that like i didn't say that they did amy was me ultra introverted but all but able to mingle and drain the social battery when absolutely necessary that tidbit of information will be important later the chair factory turned apartment building was an impeding six -story structure that Ooh, I see that.
What a beautiful sentence.
I see that. If I was an English teacher, A+.
A+. A+++. The apartment was a loft with high ceilings and massive picture windows.
I fucking love a picture window.
That brought me to my knees when the heating bill came every month.
Yeah, except for that.
From some quick research, the factory opened around 1910 on the outskirts of an area known known as the black bottom which is northeast of downtown detroit it was named for the rich dark soil in the area that was framed or nope that was farmed by french settlers that soil didn't do it it was framed by those french settlers it was farmed by the french settlers in the prior centuries the area then became a prominent place for black detroiters around the turn of the 20th century They built up the area into a rich, successful neighborhood.
By the 1960s, it had disappeared with the urban renewal that was happening in Detroit.
Like a lot of buildings in Detroit leading up to the city firing bankruptcy in 2015, the factory sat abandoned until good old gentrification swooped in and the factory was converted into needlessly expensive apartments that people living in the area for generations could never afford. That does suck.
All of that to say, this building was old and creepy as fuck.
Hell yeah, thanks for that little history lesson.
I like it. I was mostly alone for the duration of the day while Amy and Sarah were at school curing cancer or whatever it is they were doing.
Curing cancer, you know.
I would stream my lectures online because your girl has raging ADHD and bipolar disorder, so I have a hard time sitting still and patiently waiting for class to be over, respectively.
Yes. People with mental health issues can be doctors as well.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
let this be a lesson to the doubters a mentally ill black girl who was covered in tattoos who grew up well below the poverty line her entire life is going to be a doctor fuck yeah where there's a will there's a motherfucking way and i added the motherfucking nick nick nick nick nick but like i was saying i spent my days alone until my roommate sarah started coming home Oh, I know where we're headed.
Uh -oh. It's not Sarah.
She started coming home mid -afternoon a few days a week.
I didn't think much of this because she was in her fifth year working on her dissertation, so I figured writing at home was better for her writing zen or whatever.
I would say hi in other pleasantries.
She would always simply nod and disappear into her room.
There were instances a few days later when Sarah came home early while I studied at the dining room table.
I smiled slightly and asked her a question about a professor whose lab she worked in.
Hey, how's Mr. Miller doing?
Nothing. She just stared at me with a small pleasant smile on her face.
Thinking she just didn't hear me, I repeated the question.
How's Dr. Miller? Again, nothing.
Just that stare. After what felt like six hours, she broke our mutual stare and casually walked into her room.
She's a tall gray. Yeah, she's a tall gray.
That's what she is.
Not a tall drink of water, tall gray.
Much different. Thoroughly freaked out, I tried to shake it off and focus on my little doctor notes.
About two hours later, I heard a set of keys jingle outside the front door.
I looked up to greet Amy coming through the door, but some of my internal organs fell through the floor when I saw Sarah walk through the door.
Again. What the fuck?
I wish I could say I did something smart, like tell Sarah what happened or launch an investigation like the true scientists we are but i'm a freeze kind of girl i stared i stared a hole through my laptop while sarah chatted eagerly about her day and filled fitted flitted around the apartment never breaking the stream of consciousness flowing from her lips to take a breath shortly amy was also doing the jingle at the door and stepping over the threshold now that there was power in numbers i worked up the courage to ask sarah another question him hey Sarah did you come home for lunch today oh my
god it's not you said hey Siri oh my god oh was that your computer it was my computer being like yeah oh my gosh I heard that weird noise and then there was like a drop in the room next to me like slightly because it's like creaking or something and I just shit myself cool not actively um sorry I'm sorry I'm I'm sorry Sorry.
That just scared the shit out of me.
Okay. So Sarah, did you come home for lunch today?
That was an invitation to detail her entire afternoon.
Oh no, I went to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Did not include our apartment to stare at me like a tiny smiling psycho.
I tried to downplay the question because I was questioning my sanity at this point.
I said, oh, I thought you came home a couple hours ago.
Must've been another other day i was thinking of she continued i haven't come home for lunch in a while weird what the fuck nope nope i hate that i hate that all those times i saw her come home early wasn't her what this piqued amy's attention like at all i've seen you here recently i've seen you here early too recently what i loved and hated that validation i wasn't on the verge of psychosis this but i was still seeing something that i should not be seeing but what do you do about that we basically went on living our lives knowing that there was a creepy silent version of sarah wandering around
our apartment doppelganger gangers are a sign that bad things are coming are they not that's what i've heard so and i wasn't particularly interesting and finding out what final destination shit was afoot yeah me neither but i want to know i want to know now because i'm not in there it seems i was in that a fucking apartment i'd be be like well you know we don't know things so if i was in that apartment i would literally break the fuck out of my lease and live anywhere else that's just like if i was in that apartment i would not be in that apartment that's exactly where i would be not there another
few weeks passed without a sight of silence era oh until one night oh to preface i have the bladder of a small pupperini a small pupper root oh pupperoni i said i said pupperini pupperoni me i got up two or three times every night to go potty so per my usual schedule i awoke with my bladder screaming for relief i crawled out of bed and i stepped toward the door of my bedroom oh no oh fucking no no no bitch nope oh my god upon opening my bedroom door the form of sarah stood outside my door softly lit by christmas lights strung around my room no fuck that Smiling softly, she turned and nearly drifted
to the bathroom, leaving me stunned.
So I thought, shit, I need to go in there.
In that moment, my bladder needed me to assert my dominance.
It needed me to be the head bitch in charge in that moment and kick Silent Sarah out of the potty.
Fully expecting to be dragged to hell through the drain of the shower, I approached the bathroom and flicked on the light.
Nothing, just an empty bathroom.
Fully expecting to be dragged to hell through the tree.
And that's everything.
We didn't see Silent Sarah after that.
We all moved out and went on with our respective careers.
Hate to end it like that.
But life doesn't always deliver a perfect story start to finish.
Regardless, I wish you ladies the best of luck with life, family, and business, and any endeavors you have before you.
And also to you. You too, Nick.
All my love, Dr. Nick.
Hell yeah, Nick. Hell motherfucking yeah.
Yeah. That one was the scariest thing I've ever heard in my fucking life.
That was so creepy.
I just don't even know what to say.
I think I genuinely, this is so foul, but I think I genuinely would have found a bottle to pee in that night.
I'm not jokes. Potentially, yes.
One hundo pee, yes.
Yeah. I don't think I'd be going in that.
I got that from somebody and I can't think of who I got that from what hundo p hundo p I've been saying it a lot lately like you know 100 percent but like hundo p I must have got it from somebody on bravo probably just got to give credit where credit's due that gives lots of bravo vibes yeah well anyways this has been listener tales wow I'm really happy to be back I don't remember if I was on the last one or not um I don't think I was oh you think I was okay maybe I'm not really sure where we are in the rotation we had special guest sheena melwani and tridon at one point they're beautiful souls
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