Episode 316: The Kreischer Mansion | Morbid

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I'm Ash. And this is Morbid. It is. It's morbid, but it's morbid with a sick gal named Elena Urquhart.

Yeah, you know what? In the last episode, I got a few comments that were like, Was that Elena?

Which is hilarious. Can you guys imagine if we were like, just switch somebody in without saying anything?

We just didn't think you would know. No, you know what, that was the beginning of this illness and I was trying to push it away.

Here's the thing. We've had this random virus.

It is not COVID. We're all COVID negative.

But it's been this random virus that we all keep passing around and it just will not leave.

Yes. And I'm assuming it started in like a kindergarten classroom and just mutated.

100%. And then I, in particular, run myself into the ground, I will fully admit. you do that's why so I'm not doing myself any favors here by resting at all or anything like I just don't do it It's bad.

Don't do that. I've learned my lesson with this one.

Because finally... Ash, this has been lingering forever.

It just keeps coming in and out. Weeks, weeks and weeks.

And it's hilarious. Let me interrupt you because I got better.

But like maybe what, like two weeks ago, you were like, you need to go to the doctor.

I know. and i was like you need because i care about you i care about you too But it's, you know what it is?

It's like, I just never shut off. And like...

I, which like you have to, you have to shut off.

I shut off. you need to shut off. And especially like I'm lucky.

I'm very, very lucky. to have a husband, like a partner who will take over in like an instant. and I don't take advantage of it, so I really should have.

And Ash and John were both like, you are going to the doctors.

Because I woke up last week after we recorded my episode, actually.

I woke up the next morning and my voice was gone. i walked into the house in the morning like thought we were recording like thought we were gonna start the day of work and this bitch straight up says to me oh and i go what like i think a lot of us like i've like lost quote unquote my voice where it sounds like this or like a little Just it's not where it needs to be.

I've never full on not been able like laryngitis style.

Right. Not been able to like freaked me out.

So that's when you guys were like, you need to go to the doctor.

And then let me explain to you all what happened at the doctor's.

This bitch got diagnosed with bronchitis, which they then said was going into pneumonia.

It's like she came at the perfect time. And she comes.

I didn't get to go in because I don't know.

It's the doctors. Why would I go in there?

I was sitting in the car watching TikToks.

But she comes back and she goes, he just said it's a casual case of bronchitis.

And I go... First of all, we have the same doctor actually.

Yeah, he didn't say exactly that. He did not like there's not a casual case of bronchitis.

He used different verbiage. Yeah. when he said it.

Casual case of bronchitis. He basically said like toot toot next stop pneumonia.

That's essentially what he said. And he was like, who is this man you see?

Because it's not the same as me. He was basically like, you got to chill.

Yeah, there it is. He basically said that.

And he was like, here's some medicine. Like, sit your ass down.

Stop talking for a while. And I was like, oh, no.

And so I decided to listen. That's why this episode is a little late because one, I physically could not speak.

And to even when it was starting to get to this like sultry era.

Yeah. It took a minute. It took a while and it just wasn't going to be at all pleasing for you guys to listen to and...

I think quality over quantity is best here.

You guys deserve to not listen to horrible voiced...

So I mean, John just had to. Yeah, exactly.

So I just wanted to let you guys know what was going on.

I'm totally fine now. I've been taking my antibiotics.

I've been fine. I'm resting. I'm doing what I have to do. my voice still is not obviously where it normally is, and it's a little...

Well, like it's it hangs on the balance there.

Yeah. By the end of the day, it's like gone, gone.

And if I speak a lot, it just leaves. So we're not going to do any like business in the beginning of this after we end this whole shebang, because I want to maintain this voice so I can respond to everyone.

I know, actually. I got a good one today.

And I'm excited for this episode. We just aren't going to like, there's, you know, I'm sure there's like true crime news and stuff, but we're just not going to touch anything today because I just need to.

I need to be able to like maintain this for the rest of the episode.

So we just wanted to update you guys, let you know.

Thanks for all the well wishes. I know.

We missed you guys. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Uh-oh.

It felt weird being away from it for a minute.

I know, it's been almost a full week, so... which has never happened.

Everybody be careful because my doctor was saying this kind of virus and like bronchitis and all that is like... rampant right now.

Because we've all been like home. Yeah and he said it's either COVID or these weird ass viruses and they just don't leave and that's That's where everyone is sick right now.

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If you are able to slow down, just give yourself a little bit of time when these things happen.

Care is important because I'm learning my lesson.

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That's where it's at. Central. So without further ado, let's get into it.

We got a fun one too. Well, it's like not fun, but... Fun in like the spooky stuff.

It's fun in the spooky sense and then we do get into murder, which is not fun at all.

Which is never fun. Never ever fun. No. But I am bringing you today the case of the Kreischer family mansion and also a murder associated with said mansion.

Hell yeah, you are. It really covers all the morbid bases.

We have a rich family from the 1800s. a haunted mansion, and a murder.

So we got everything. Like, fully rounded there.

Fully morbid. Fully morbid. So if you're from Staten Island, I feel like you've definitely heard of the Kreischer Mansion.

It sits on top of a hill named Cresher Hill at 4500 Arthur Kill Road.

And if you're not from Staten Island and you've never heard of this place, you better buckle up and get ready for a wild freaking ride.

Over the years, there have been tons of rumors circulating on the island about this old Victorian mansion.

It was built in 1885. Some of the rumors are not true at all.

They have no substance to them. but some of them, they ring true and there's like evidence and shit.

So it's interesting. So to know the Kreischer mansion is to know the Kreischer family.

So let's get into it. I thought you were going to say to know the Kreischer mansion is to love the Kreischer mansion.

I mean that as well. To know her is to love her.

To know her is to love her and to know her is to know her family and where she came from.

Yeah. To fear her. You have to know everything about her.

She starts with a man named Baltazar. As all good stories do.

Do you understand how hard it was to type the name Baltazar as many fucking times as I had to type it?

I'd end up just naming it. In my head, I had to just write Balthasar.

Yeah, Balthasar. Balthasar, but it was Balthasar.

It is. And he was born in a Bavarian village in Germany on March 13, 1813.

Yeah, he was. So he was not only a Pisces, but he was born into a family known to manufacture bricks. one of these things is not like the other.

I was going to say, I see the correlation.

I just wanted to slip in his zodiac sign per use you should i was like pisces and bricks yeah i would be upset if you didn't thank you i know So his grandfather actually had his own brick manufacturing business.

And then his father had learned the trade.

So when the time came, young Baltazar left school early and started working as an apprentice the family business, learning how to make bricks.

He learned all about masonry. I think that's how you say that.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think I looked it up.

And throughout his training, he actually became like an incredibly skilled worker.

So he was 23 years old when he migrated to America, and it was in the year 1836.

And that was just one year after the great fire of New York had destroyed 674 buildings.

Thank you. Oh, just a casual, complete destruction of an entire city.

Yeah, I think it was literally like 17 blocks.

Wow. And that was one of three fires that happened like way back when in New York.

There was like a lot of fires. Fires were like a real thing.

They still are, actually. They happen now?

They do. Fires all the time. I thought that was of the past.

No, it's still a thing. Do you have... a gas stove oh I do.

Fire. Check it out sometime. I'm going to look.

I'm going to investigate this further. Try it out.

Just be careful. Stop dropping rules. So the damage totaled about $20 million back then. which today would be $653 million of damage.

Oh boy. Yeah. So it was going to be expensive to fix.

A cool chunk of change. Yeah, a hot ass chunk of change.

So needless to say, there was a lot to rebuild.

Yeah. And Balthazar was stepping on the scene ready to get his hands dirty when he came to New York.

He always is. He got to work right away as a builder, and soon he made the acquaintance of a man named Charles Mumpeton.

These names are just really killing it. Love it.

Charles Mumperton. Mumperton. Mumperton. but together they opened their own factory in 1845 that produced fire bricks. of building material that would become pretty popular after almost 17 blocks of New York City had been destroyed because of fire.

He saw it and he filled it. He did. Were they called Mumpeton and Sons?

No, I will tell you what they're called in a second.

Wow. Actually, right now. Great timing. Opportunity missed.

Their company was first named Chrysler and Mumpeton.

Do you know why? I have no idea. Just kidding.

No. But over the years, they actually changed their name like a ton.

So it's funny that you ask that. because Charles Mumpeton died just four years after the business was established.

And then Baltasar's nephew stepped on the scene to help out.

So at that point, the company, the name changed to B. Kreischer & Co., Okay.

And then later on it became B. Kreischer and Son and like so on and so forth.

There was a lot of name changes. evolution.

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So in between the time of stepping on the scene in the American soil, opening an incredibly successful factory business and.

All that jazz, Baltazar somehow found the time to fall in love.

Oh, this is great. It's beautiful. This is beautiful.

It's gorgeous. Wow, that was like so Irish.

It's gorgeous. I've been watching a lot of Below Deck Sailing Yacht and I love Daisy. and she's irish i knew that meant nothing to you until i got to the end Me too.

I love Daisy. You would. She's a bad bitch.

She doesn't rest either. So anyways, he fell in love.

He met a woman named Caroline... Hanchen, I believe is how you say it.

And it was the same year he moved, like kismet that he moved that year.

Truly serendipitous. And Caroline was also a German woman, so it was like two Germans falling in love with each other.

What better? A love story for the ages. Absolutely.

They were married for 17 years and they ended up having eight children together.

They had four girls and four boys. I said girls weird there.

Girls. Girls. Girls. Chronologically, it went Catherine, Caroline, Henry, Frederica and George, who were twins.

Louise, Charles, and then lastly, Edward.

Wow. Henry, one of the little boys there, unfortunately died when he was only six years old.

No. Yeah. And then Caroline, the wife, died in 1853, just a few days after their son Edward was born.

I couldn't figure out exactly the circumstances surrounding Henry's death, So my assumption is that it was probably just like an 1800s illness.

I was going to say just the 1800s of it all.

Exactly. And then Caroline is said to have died from childbirth complications.

But she must have, like, really been going through it because it was in the days following. oh it wasn't like right then and there oh man probably infection Yeah, honestly, probably.

So by the time Caroline had passed away, the family was actually readying to move to Staten Island.

The original factory that Balthazar had opened with Charles Mumpeton back in 1845 had been sold, and it was a Manhattan property.

It was just too expensive to keep up with because Manhattan was getting more expensive.

Also, they wanted to move because Balthazar had discovered really great clay deposits along the water in Staten Island.

And clay is a key ingredient in the fire bricks that he was producing.

Yeah, it is. It was a win-win situation.

I literally had to Google if clay was used to make bricks.

I didn't know. Did you know? I didn't know.

Okay, cool. I was like, what the fuck are bricks even made of?

They're just made of brick. What even are bricks?

Sometimes I think that about jeans, too.

I'm like, what's denim? What's denim even made of?

I know, when you really... Because we never think about... these fabrics or any kind of material.

It's interesting that we use literally every day.

Yeah, so there's clay and bricks. Who knew?

Look at that. You need some rich-ass clay deposits.

You know, you just said that. A million people are going to say, I knew.

That's true. That's very true. But that's okay.

I'm glad that you knew. We all know or we don't know.

Those are really the only... options there are so the more you know 50 50 chance now i know and if you don't know now you know yep we all know now The cold medicine up here is rife.

I was just going to say Robitussin. but doesn't so the new factory it was being built right along the water in 19 not 19 in 1854 and the year after Caroline had passed and within a handful of years Baltazar would actually actually go on to construct his own beautiful mansion that looked over both the factory and the water.

And so he named his place Fairview. You got to name your place.

Because it had a fair view. It had a fair ass view.

It did. i like that i love it i like that he's just not even he's like not fucking around he's like fair view gorge that that view is fair It's fair.

I mean, back then, like that, if you were fair, like, oh, yeah.

So Balthazar, he had made a fortune by this point in his career, and he was really reaping those benefits.

He also had remarried a woman named Matilda, and he had two more children with her.

And at that time, the area that they were living in was called Androvetville.

Androvetville. It's a mouthful. Ooh, that is.

But it was named after a wealthy and powerful family, the Androvettes.

They had actually been in Staten Island dating back to the 1600s.

Them just coming over. Coming on over. Coming over first.

But when Balthazar opened up the new factory, he gave jobs to a ton of people in the area and and he became known as like an amazing boss and just an amazing person to work for he ended up building a ton of homes in the area So that his employees could live basically like on site and not have to travel into work every day.

Wow. And actually have like time to spend with their families.

Look at this guy. Like he actually cared about his workers and they actually built most of the homes as duplexes so that they could fit two families in one building so still today it kind of actually made duplexes popular around this area oh that's cool Yeah.

So four of those houses, by the way, are still standing in what's known as Charleston.

That's so cool. Isn't that so cool? And that's Charleston, New York, obviously.

I love that shit. And they became landmarks in the 90s, so nobody can tear them down.

Nice. Awesome. We love to see it. Yeah, it's really cool.

So eventually, because the factory had created so many jobs and because of the way he was known to treat his workers, The townspeople actually decided to rename the town and change the town's name to Chryserville.

You know you're awesome when the people want to rename the place you live.

Because you're just so kind. Just because you're a kind human.

That says, like, immediately I just felt so connected to this story afterwards.

After I heard that, I was like, you know what?

I fucking love Baltazar. That's what you strive to be.

You do. You strive to be a Baltazar. And he did.

And he took a lot of pride and the respect that he had throughout the town.

But he also like wasn't really somebody who seemed to let it go to his head.

Good for him. And in a time where sick pay was honestly really unheard of, He offered it to his employees.

And they actually, unfortunately, the factory burned down fast. for the first time in 1877 and Baltazar continued to pay his employees while he also had to spend a small fortune rebuilding his factory.

Wow. So luckily he had the money, obviously, because at the highest point, the business was producing more than 20,000 bricks in one single week. workday.

Damn. 20,000 bricks. have been like a greedy greedy mcgrederson totally like most of these bosses would be and it wouldn't matter how much they were making they would be like well it burned down i have to pay for it You're not getting your wages.

Like, sorry about it. Yeah. And not only did he do that, So he's paying his workers, he's rebuilding his factory.

And once his factory was rebuilt, He went on to build a church in the town that still stands today.

Look at him. Uh, back then it was named the St.

Peter's German evangelical church. but now it is known as the Free Magyar Reformed Church.

I feel like this is the... church this is the church yeah i would just call it the church the church i would call it Baltazar's Church.

Baltazar's Church. Church of Baltazar. Church of... Chryserville.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't name it Church of Balthazar.

I'd name it Church of Elena, but... you would name i want to clarify you would name his church your name no if i made this church oh if you made this church the church of elena yeah i like that I would name mine the Church of Ashkel.

Why? I don't know. Anyways, he built a church and he also built a post office branch and he funded multiple different stores being built in Chryslerville as well.

This guy. And one of the last things he did before his death in 1886 was build two identical homes aka mansions for his sons charles and edward Look at this guy.

So like I said, these homes were really mansions.

They were built facing each other and as mirror images of each other.

It's a little weird. It's a little weird.

Like, it's confusing. I mean, like, wicked weird.

But, like, go off. It probably wasn't that weird back then.

Like, I think it was probably just a flex to be like, look, I just built these two motherfucking mirror images. of each other because I also I think it's just like kind of like an eccentric rich person thing that you're just like yeah like like a fun quirk that doesn't really bother anybody.

You're just like, that's weird. and I can do it but like good for you yeah for doing it like making two a mirror image of each other facing each other Yeah, it's a lot, but it's cool.

It's wicked weird, but that's fine. So they stood... two and a half stories tall and they were built in victorian style oh of course the gudge outside each house had a veranda A veranda.

I almost just said Vernada. It had two Vernadas.

It had these things called Vernadas. I don't know if you heard of them.

No, they were verandas. That would be the most like 2000s and something of you ever to be like, it had like a vernada.

Yeah. be very young. Never heard of that.

They had verandas. They had that like gingerbread trim along the roof a corner tower which you could literally like go inside and climb up to and just like overlook the property.

Like a turret. Yes, correct. Exactly. Give me a turret.

Absolutely beautiful. It also, it like overlooked the factory in the water too.

So it was gorgeous. That's beautiful. There were multiple chimneys because almost all of the rooms in the house... or excuse me, almost all of the 14 rooms in the house had a fireplace.

Damn. All of the fireplaces, of course, were made with Kreischer bricks.

Yeah, they were. Yeah, so if you're ever able to visit the house, take a peek at the bricks along the bottom of each fireplace and you'll see the name Kreischer like basically engraved into each one.

I want to see these. I know. They're really cool.

We should go. Staten Island. Yeah, that's not far.

Yeah, exactly. like stone's throw, you know?

Let's go. Each house was also about 6,700 square feet inside.

Oh, just a little shack. I'm not great at math.

So like for my fellow not good at math people, that's massive.

Yeah, big is, I was going to say big is not the word.

Yeah, it was massive. Massive. There were five bathrooms and five bedrooms in each house.

That's a lot of upkeep. 12-foot ceilings, and then this is my favorite part, this really ornate wallpaper that was made from a combination of leather and limestone. linoleum oh yes it is like absolutely beautiful you would totally have it in your like spooky office Oh, my God.

I want to see this. I'm going to show it to you after.

Cool. Charles and Edward, the two brothers, they were going to move into these beautiful mansions, like each of their respective mansions.

With a pair of sisters that they had married.

Yeah, they are. Right? Yep. Charles had married Antonia and Edward was with a woman named Frida.

Yep. Of course. Yeah. I absolutely love it.

I love all of it. It seems like both brothers only had one son, by the way, just like to tell you a little bit more about the family. based on what I could find for family records, I pulled a U and I signed up for Ancestry.

Yeah, you did. It was hard. A lot of fucking Baltazars randomly.

Oh, yeah. You really have to, like, commit.

Exactly. So they're moving into these beautiful mansions, but Baltazar dies just one year after the mansions are finished.

R.I.P. Baltazar. So he died August 25th, 1886 at 73 years old.

So like, he lived a really long time. For that time period, yeah.

He lived a super long time. Because I don't know what the average...

I think I tried to look up the average lifespan in that time period, and it was kind of hairy.

There was very different answers. Well, I was going to say, it gets very...

Like, like you said, it gets hairy because a lot of people are like, oh, you live to be like 20.

Right. It's like that's not necessarily the case.

Right. So it's like one of those weird. And it also just like depends on lifestyle.

That's exactly. There's so many factors.

Yeah. Contributing. factors. But still, 73 in the 1800s, I do feel like that's a long life.

Seems like it should be. Now I'd be like, oh, man.

I know. What a bummer, right? Yeah. he did so much throughout his life.

So like, I'm really proud of Balthazar. He left a good legacy, man.

He did. So now we're going to get into like this kind of like wild part of the story let's go in my personal opinion it's an offshoot just so everybody's aware but i'm a gemini so there's going to be offshoots everywhere there you go So I read in every source that his body was transported to the Greenwood Cemetery.

Do you have to cough? No, I'm good. Okay.

You looked like you had to cough and I was like, we can pause.

I think I was just like sucking in air. I'm screaming.

So yes, he was transported to the Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn on a block of ice.

Give it to me. Things that make you go, hmm.

So I was like, why the fuck would they transport his body on ice?

And every source just casually writes that like transported his huge body on a block of ice to the cemetery.

Yeah. They also all say that he was huge and I'm like, we could come up with a better word.

He was huge. We could say like his... Magnificent.

Magnificent body. His triumphantly sized body.

Thank you. Like make it sound like good for him.

Yeah, like a man. But when you're just like his huge body.

It's like that's not even like... Use a thesaurus.

That's not even a good word. It's just like, okay...

Leave. It's just not nice. Leave. Just leave.

So I was like, OK, why is he on ice, though?

And I found out that it would be for a couple of reasons.

And I found all of these reasons on Casket and Funeral Supply Association of America I'm literally obsessed with this yeah they've got a website they do so You need to look into this, by the way, because this is like just one subunit of casket and funeral supply.

Oh, yeah. Life. Life. Yeah. So around the time that Balthazar died, something called ice caskets were becoming actually popular.

I know I've read about these before. I think it would actually be like a very interesting thing to somehow incorporate into a future episode.

Yeah. I love this kind of stuff. You do.

Yeah. So some of the first patents for these kind of caskets were submitted in 1870 and and they made them as late as the 1890s, like they were around for a while.

And they did so because obviously the use of ice slowed down the decomp process. and allowed the body to be viewed in the home for a couple extra days.

It also, and I'm assuming this was not the reason in Balthazar's case, but for some people, it was actually cheaper than having the body involved.

That makes sense. Because around that time, embalming was actually a new process.

Oh, yeah. if you wanted it to be done. Yeah, so you just stick them on a block of ice.

Yeah, but they would just leave the body on a block of slowly melting ice.

Yeah. And according to that Casket and Funeral Supply Association of America website, the whole process would freak out little kids.

Because they would hear the ice stripping in the night after everybody left.

Oh, yeah. And they would think that their loved one was just like, it was like blood dripping from the body.

Oh, yeah. How fucking creepy is that? That's gnarly.

What a wild time. Yeah, it was a really, that was a wild time for death.

It was. It truly was. And apparently it's also where the term icing someone comes from.

Like it means you're going to kill them.

There you go. Isn't that crazy? I like that.

But also, it makes sense when you think about the fact that he died in August on staff.

Staten Island. Because they don't want to... Especially for viewing purposes, it makes a lot of sense because... back then that viewing time was like a very sacred, very long drawn out.

Oh, yeah. And you can imagine, I mean, this is Chryserville and, like, the man who invented Chryserville, essentially.

Oh, yeah, they're going to pull out all the stuff.

Yeah, everybody's going to want to come visit.

And they don't have AC, so it's not like if you're set up in the living room, they can just keep you cool.

Exactly. So yeah, that's ice caskets. I love that.

So anywho, when Baltasar died, he left each of his children about $300,000 between cash and assets.

In today's money, that would be like if your dad left you $9 million when he died.

Just a sweet ass $9 million. fucking nine million dollars and that's like each kid like each kid got that damn and then he in his will he put his oldest son george and a man named william linderoth who just randomly appears in the story, but they were both put in charge of executing his will. and he left the business to his remaining children to be split evenly amongst them.

Even the girls, which was... kind of crazy.

Progressive for the time. It was. George ended up buying his sister's part of the business.

He was just like, I'll take that. Thank you.

But thank you. He compensated them. So whatever.

He bought it. And they still had about like $900 million.

Not actually $9 million. But they had a lot of money.

Um, so then George told Charles who had been pretty involved up until that point that he could take it from here.

He was like, you don't have to be involved anymore.

You can step aside. And he made Edward and this guy named William Linderoth and himself the heads of the business.

So it's unclear why George didn't want Charles involved with the business.

Like, I couldn't find anything to say that they had a feud.

There's no tea. By all accounts, this family seemed to get along really well, but I don't know.

But power and money come into it, man. It changes people.

And George is the oldest. So he has to like play that card. of course, but Charles didn't really seem to mind too much.

He actually had a bit of a me moment and he traveled around Europe for a little bit.

And he actually went on to work for another brick company.

He kind of stuck it to the man. He was like, I don't need you.

I don't need you. Rich people, self care and sticking it to the man.

We love that. Rich people self-care. Like that's just traveling to Europe.

Yeah. That's rich people self-care. Yes.

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Bye. So they take over the business. Charles, he goes away.

He just does his thing. Bye. And the business actually was doing all right for a while.

But then... another fire came in 1891 and the factory burned to the ground for the second time.

My goodness. Which is like ironic because they're building fire bricks.

It's crazy. Yeah. So even though they were able to rebuild it quickly enough, it really wasn't smooth sailing like the first time because, you know, Baltazar wasn't around anymore. you're missing a vital piece.

Yeah, you really are. Now, they weren't bankrupt quite yet, but they were definitely making their way there.

And there were also rumors spreading in the town that the three partners were not necessarily on great terms.

Uh oh. Now like I said, according to the family, George and Edward got along just fine. but then other people close to the family, like family friends, and even actually some of the workers at the factory,

They had different standards, it seems, when it came to getting along.

They were like... I don't really know if they are getting along that well.

By our standards. Exactly. They disagreed.

And they said they were like, no, like, they're not just good old brother buds.

Like, I think something is brother buds.

I think something's going on. I think there's some ruffled feathers here.

So the rumors surrounding their relationship only grew after Edward's death in June of 1894.

Edward's body was found on June 8th laying next to a gun, which had inflicted a single shot into his head.

Oh, man. So it was eventually ruled a suicide, but it was a questionable suicide.

People were not... not so sure that this was suicide.

Edward had actually been at the factory just before he was found.

And he seemed to be completely happy and in good spirits, according to all the workers, which...

You know how that can kind of be like a toss-up.

Oh, of course. But people... who didn't feel like he would have done this to himself, they actually started pointing the finger at William Linderoth there.

That random guy. And yeah, like he literally just steps on the scene.

You're the rando. I think he's just like a family friend.

Like he was definitely, he grew up with the family and everything.

Baltazar actually, like, really respected him, obviously.

He pointed him to kind of, like, help run everything.

Exactly. So but other people were not so fond of this guy and they were like, maybe you have something to do with this.

Yeah. Maybe you led him to do this. And according to Miami Ghost Chronicles article written on this great article, check it out.

I'll link it. Yeah. The factory workers completely hated William Linderoth and they actually chased him out of the factory one day and demanded that he leave town.

Whoa. They were like, get the fuck out of here.

Wow. That's not just asking him to resign.

No, that's chasing him out of the town with like pitchforks, essentially.

So those who didn't blame him, which didn't really seem like a lot of people, Of course, they pointed the finger at Edward's wife, Frida, and rumors started going around Cricherville, about her and a doctor from a neighboring town.

And these rumors were alleging that she was having some kind of affair with this doctor, who was Dr. Walker Washington.

Oh, she was. 100%. Dr. Walker Washington, you are definitely fucking him.

It also just sounds like something that would be on like Days of Our Lives.

Yeah. Like that's, it's like Dr. Carlisle.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So those people who were like, no, she was having an affair with Dr. Walker Washington.

They said Edward must have found out somehow and been so distraught that he felt the only way to deal with this was to end his life.

Oh, that's... Like so tragic. Now giving like kind of, is it, do you say like giving credence to these rumors?

Sure. Yeah. Is that how you say that? Yeah.

Cool. Frida did end up marrying Dr. Washington.

Yeah, because they were fucking... About a year and a half after Edward died.

Absolutely. But I do wonder if the rumors about her and the doctor started before they were married or if they started after.

Because I can totally see the people like pulling that like, she moved on so quickly card.

You know, it's like if they started before, I feel like there must have been something that started them.

But if they started after the marriage, I think it was the whole she moved on so quickly thing.

My instinct. I mean, Walker Washington sounds hot as hell.

My instinct is... I'm never going to blame Frida.

It was going. Yeah. And here's the other thing.

She and Edward had an 11 year old son together.

Oh boy. So I could see probably part of the reason that she moved on and remarried which like some people felt was too quickly, was maybe for some kind of stability for her and her child.

Security of some sort. You know? Yeah, I can see that.

Because, you know, like, obviously the Kreischer family is well off, but she married into the family.

She's not blood. That's true. You never know.

So you got to be careful. Yeah. You got to cross your T's and dot your I's.

Yeah. And the other thing is, by all accounts, she was very torn up over Edward's death.

And people who have heard a woman crying in the Kreischer mansion in modern days think that this might be Frida's ghost crying, like, on a loop over Edward's death.

Oh, that's so sad. It is. It's horrible.

Now, so that's that whole thing about Frida.

But Edward's brother Charles, who again had been removed from the business in the early days, he was incredibly upset by the loss of Edward.

And he actually held seances in his own mansion trying to get answers as to what happened and whether or not his brother actually killed himself.

Oh, wow. So that could be another source of all the supposed hauntings of his mansion. which is the only one still standing.

I gotta see it. So it's a common belief among people who have studied the history of the mansion throughout the years that that Charles might have opened some kind of portal and not properly closed it during these seances. leading to a whole bunch of spirit hullabaloo.

A slew of... Spooky shit. A slew of hullabaloo.

That's right. I had to Google how to spell hullabaloo, by the way.

I love that you had to spell it right. in your own notes I cannot have typos in my notes because it red underlines it and yeah that is frustrating telling me that I'm wrong and I'm like yeah I have to be And you're like, no, that's a word.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So hullabaloo. In 1899, the Chrysler's business was lost, unfortunately, and the factory ended up being auctioned off.

Weirdly enough, an Androvet family member, Captain Peter Androvet, bought it at auction.

Yeah. Now, because he respected the family so much, he did keep the name of the company and he went on to run it for almost 30 years.

Wow. until it closed in 1927. The roaring 20s.

The roaring 20s. But by 1936... They tore down the building, and Chryserville was simply a memory by that point.

Damn. Because in 1916, the town's name changed again, this time from Chrysherville to Charleston.

Now the reason given for this name change was that it was just after the First World War had come to a close, And this is like absolutely horrible, but people weren't too fond of hearing German related names or sentiments.

In Chrysherville, Chrysher is obviously a German name.

Yeah. So people were like annoyed about it.

Okay. But the book American Murder Houses written by Steve Leto, a really great book.

I actually shared it with you. You did. And a few other sources suggested that the town's name was changed to Charleston in honor of in honor, excuse me, of Charles Kreischer.

I was going to ask that. So they still kind of like got there.

Yeah, they get it in there. It's in there.

Yeah. Because I immediately thought that when you said Charleston.

I was like, oh. Yeah. A lot of people think that's why.

And a lot of people claim like it's fact that that's why.

I'll take it. So, unfortunately, Balthazar's mansion was destroyed by fire in the 1930s.

My God! And Edwards Mansion either burned down during the Great Depression or it was torn down.

My money is unburned. My money is on bridge because everything is burning.

My God. Fire seemed to be like the number one serial killer over here.

Like literally. What the fuck? The theme of this story is when a fire starts to burn, it starts to spread. right you know what i mean i don't but have you never heard that song what is that song I don't know.

I think it's like called Fireburn or something.

Fireburn. It's probably not. It's called Fireburn.

It's called Fireburn. People who made fire bricks.

I know. There's a lot of fires happening.

Well, people are like, was this family cursed?

Like, is that what it is? Because of their fire brickness?

Just adds to the story. I think it was just a lot of series of unfortunate events.

Yeah, I think it was just the 1800s of it all.

Yeah, exactly. These are also very spread out events.

It wasn't like everything burned year after year.

It wasn't like a fire, fire, fire. Right.

Exactly. So more about the descent of this family.

George died in 1910 in New York. Charles died in 1917, also in New York.

And now the only members of the Kreischer family...

No, there's no members still. That said memories.

You're like, the only members... Are the no members.

Are the zero members still alive? Are none of them.

Yeah, the only memories of the Kreischer family come from the Kreischer bricks that actually still line some of the walkways in Charleston.

I gotta see these. And, of course, from Charles's haunted mansion that sits on top of Chrysler Hill.

The haunted mansion. The haunted mansion.

The mansion itself was declared a landmark in 1968.

Good. And in 1982, it was placed on the National Register of Historic Places.

I love when shit happens like that because you can't touch them.

Exactly. It's good. You cannot touch them.

You can't tear them down. So over the years, there have been tons and tons of stories about the history of the place and a ton of Staten Island's occupants think that this place is haunted as fuck.

I do. Now, this woman, Tina Cassman Dunn, she works with the Tottenville Historical Society, and she told Inside Edition...

Staten Island is an old community full of history, but everyone's always interested in this house.

They always want to know if the ghost stories are true.

I do. So I'm gonna tell you all about these ghost stories.

Bring on the spooky. So... The first paranormal experiences reported from the mansion actually came from the 90s, when part of the home was converted into a restaurant.

Hmm. Very interesting. So during that time, a man called Joe McBratney owned the mansion with his wife. and allegedly at this time, the restaurant was actually a front for the mob.

Oh. Yes. We're going there. And this is interesting because... because it's not the first or the, well, it is the first, but it's not the last time that the mob is gonna be mentioned in relation to the Kreischer Mansion.

Staten Island. Staten Island. So according to the New York Times, the FBI was actually able to confirm that a Bonanno soldier met with a Gambino family captain the Chrysler restaurant in 1998 damn now just to explain the soldier slash family captain of it all for anybody who's not familiar with the hierarchy of the mafia.

A soldier is kind of like level one, of the mafia, I guess you could say.

Soldiers are also sometimes referred to as made men.

They're the ones who have like the most to prove to the family because they have to take this vow of silence called the Omerita, which basically just says that they're going to keep their mouth shut about any crime related activity.

Oof. And obviously that's something that's taken quite seriously.

Yeah. Now, a captain, from my understanding, is one step above a soldier, and they're the person who reports to the underboss, who then reports to the actual boss, AKA the Don in some cases.

Oh, yes. Yes. I did a whole project on like... like mafia and mob families and like organized crime and all that in college when I was taking a criminology class, it was...

Fascinating. I wish that we could dive more into it on Morbid, but...

It's a scary thing to approach, you know?

Mama's staying over. here when it comes to that we're gonna like dip our toe into the pond for a second but But it is, I find it so fascinating.

It is, it's really interesting. Interesting.

I also grew up watching Mob Live, so. And we also grew up like, like at least like when I grew up.

It was right next to Boston. Oh, yeah. When Whitey was just running the streets.

When Papa, like Papa was so fascinated by Whitey that I think we talked about it as a family a lot.

We did, yeah. And he was, you know, like he, it's...

It was just like always a part of discussion.

Yeah. It's fascinating, but fucking terrifying.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, in New York, authorities believe that there are about five different families within the mafia there.

And two out of those five families, interestingly, have connections to the Kreischer Mansion.

Look at the Kreischer Mansion. Yes. Yes.

And again, just like a weird little aside for people who are kind of like up on their mob mafia knowledge, if you...

Do you find it intriguing? Joe McBratney's father, James, was actually killed by John Gotti.

Oh, that guy. Yeah. You know that guy? Big fucking deal.

And again, according to the New York Times, James's murder was the one that actually got John Gotti into the Gambino family.

Oh, damn. Yeah, just like a crazy aside there.

So it is interesting that during a time... when the Kreischer mansion had more connections to the mafia than I think the original family would be too happy about. the paranormal activity started ramping up.

Yeah, that makes sense. People are dying.

Yeah. So people who worked in the restaurant would hear voices all the time when the restaurant was already closed and like they were cleaning up for the night.

One busboy who worked at the restaurant said there was this one specific night where he was working, and he kept hearing voices coming from the basement.

It sounded like there was like some kind of argument going on between a couple of people.

And all of a sudden he started hearing doors slamming.

So he's like, what the fuck is going on down there?

And he goes downstairs and there's nothing there.

I hate that. Nothing is going on. But he's like, I fucking heard it.

Like people actually slamming doors. Like I heard slamming doors.

I heard people yelling at each other and I go down and there's nobody down here.

Like. That always freaks me out when it's like a scene that they hear, like people yelling or arguing and then it's nothing.

Yeah, it's like, why was a whole scene playing out down here?

Now, at least that busboy just heard the spooky stuff.

Uh-oh. Because other employees at the time would run to Joe McBratney and tell him that they'd just been grabbed, especially in the basement.

Right. What? And they described the feeling like somebody's hands holding onto them and it like almost like holding them back from going upstairs. oh no thank you no now i quit oh i would put in my resignation that day Yeah.

So people who worked there were not the only ones subject to the hauntings because like, actual patrons who were coming to eat at the restaurant would just be sitting there and all of a sudden they would hear it doors are just like slammed all the time in this place.

They would hear doors slamming. Or they would see a picture literally just fly off the wall across the room for no fucking reason at all.

Damn. I mean, pictures usually don't fly across the room for a reason.

I was going to say... I would love to know a reason.

I would too. But they would literally be sitting there enjoying like, I don't know, some pasta.

And then boom. Just boom. Like what? Ooh.

And multiple people have said they've had this experience.

This is very mafia because it's very aggressive.

It is very aggressive. It's just angry. It is.

Now around this time, like while the restaurant was going on, a rumor started going around that a German cook had either killed himself or been killed in the restaurant's kitchen.

Now there's no concrete evidence to support that theory, so it could just be a rumor.

Or maybe it's related to the mob and it was one of those hush-hush situations.

It's one of those on a need-to-know basis.

Right. But people will hear like pots and pans slamming around in the kitchen when no one's in the kitchen.

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Now, even the owner at the time, Joe McBratney himself, had quite a few paranormal experiences in the house. between feeling like he'd just been stabbed while walking through the dining room in particular.

Oh. He felt hands touch him just like his employees had, like pulling him back, like holding him.

And then this experience that he recalled to Nick and Katrina from Paranormal Lockdown.

Ooh, it fully sent me. So he told these two paranormal investigators that one night he was sleeping in one of the upstairs bedrooms.

They were doing like a ton of work to the mansion.

So I think he was like... have to sleep here.

He woke up in the middle of the night and there was a woman standing in the doorway of his room.

And he said she didn't say anything to him, but he said...

I just know she was trying to tell me something.

And he was fully convinced that this woman was a Kreischer.

Holy shit. Fully convinced. And he said he felt like anyone connected to the house, like living there, staying there day in and day out. was in great danger.

And he told them, quote, quote, this house consumed me.

I had to run from it. Wow. And run from it he did.

I always wonder in those scenarios where someone's like, I woke up and there was someone just standing in my doorway or at the end of my bed.

I'm like... What was your reaction? Like, did you scream?

I don't want to know your thoughts. I want to know your physical actions that you took to get the fuck out of that room.

Because no one ever says they like ran out of the room screaming or something.

Someone's in my room. I'm grabbing the golf club.

I'm swinging for them. When it goes whoosh right through them, I'm out.

Then you have to walk through them and what if they go into you?

What if they becometh you? Out. What have you becomeeth so ghost?

I've becomeeth so lame at that point. You've becomeeth so crasher.

I leave. You can't. I'm out. I just always wonder, I'm like, how are you not, how is there not a U-shaped hole in the wall?

How are you not Kool-Aid man? I would literally be like, oh yeah.

And just run through. You'd be like, oh no.

At Dane Cook. i truly would um i don't know but i also want to know what the reaction is like after like did you just go back to sleep and some people will be like i was just so tired that i went back to sleep and i'm like no The adrenaline coursing through your veins at that point, you did not go back Because you know what?

I'll see my sleep paralysis demon. I know it's a sleep paralysis demon.

Yeah. I don't sleep for hours. I will see like Luxor or Franklin Shadow walking through the room and know full well that it's my fucking cat and be like, I don't know.

Can't chance it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to sleep.

If I accidentally wake up at 3 a.m., I'm like, well, I guess I'm up until the sun comes up. hate when that happens I hate it so much and I'm like I end up like hiding under my covers and I'm like okay go back to sleep go back to see I'm just like I know there was a reason I was woken up at this time and I don't want to be awake at this time.

It freaks me out so much. So yeah, it freaked Joe out too.

And he was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here.

And he was like, Good for him. So around 2000 is when the mansion changed hands over and it was to a developer. named Isaac Yamtovian, I believe is how you pronounce it.

I looked to see how you pronounce it. And I couldn't find anything.

It sounds great. I think it is. And he bought the mansion for $1.4 million.

Damn. Now, he said that he had to put another million dollars into restoring the mansion back to its original glory.

Because when he first bought the mansion, he heard all these kind of stories about paranormal happenings And people would come up to him with pictures that they'd taken in or outside the house.

And there's some pictures, which I'll definitely post, if you look in the windows, like there's this one picture of people outside, and if you look in the window, There is a ghost woman in the window.

I showed it to you when I decided to do this case.

Yeah, wild. But look at it again. It's wild.

And you'll just see like people like lurking in the back.

It creeps me out. But that didn't really freak him out.

And instead of being deterred from the place, He actually just poured some good ass vibes in there.

He said, he literally said, quote, precisely because of that, I thought.

It's a good idea to renovate and preserve and bring this house back to its original shape.

I love that. He was like, maybe the ghost activity is so rampant because everybody changed it.

I think that's wonderful. He was like, I'm going to restore it.

That's what I would want to do. I always love when people want to restore it to like the original thing.

He did. Like the people in Salem, how they did that into the last live show we did.

Oh my God. The Daniel's house. Yeah. The Daniel's house.

They restored it to the exact same. Like, it's out of this world.

If you ever get a chance to stay there, it was one of the coolest fucking places I've ever gone to. the vibes are just right the vibes are good there they're right they're creepy but I don't they're not threatening no because I think that The house appreciates that it is what it is.

Houses have energy. Even if they're not haunted, I think houses have energy.

Every house. Vibes are there. Yeah. Vibes.

Vibes. Vibes. So, you know, Yamtovian wanted to get the good vibes rolling.

So he got to work. and he started painting the outside of the house back to what was popular in the time that it was built.

It's a mustard yellow, maroon, and green color.

Beautiful. I'm going to be honest. It's like not gorge, but you know, it's... historic yeah um and then he restored different parts of the house that had fallen into disrepair over the years Now, he also has like all kinds of knickknacks in there that are like of the original time period.

And he has the windows dressed in, like, dark draping curtains.

I love that. And, of course, all the Kreischer bricks are still in the fireplaces... which I think is so fucking cool.

Now, Mr. Gamtovian hasn't actually shared any of his paranormal experiences, if he's had any.

But he did own the mansion while one of the biggest tragedies occurred there.

So a man named Joseph Young was hired to be the caretaker of the mansion.

He was to live on the property. to make sure that there was always somebody there and basically just to keep up with the place.

Now, Joseph Young was a former Marine, and he was originally from Florida.

And he had made some not so great connections while he moved out to Staten Island.

He was an associate of the Bonanno crime family.

Eek. One of the five most notorious mafia families in New York.

Now, I said before that a soldier is like the lowest quote unquote ranking in the mafia's hierarchy.

Associates go even below that. Oh, wow. Now this I got so fucking into this part.

According to the FBI's mafia chart, an associate is, quote, An individual who is part of a crew, but has not been made and commits crimes under the protection or direction of made members, and remits a share of his illegal proceedings to his direct maid superior and his maid like you've killed someone essentially Maybe.

You've proved yourself. You've proved yourself.

Okay. I don't know. I'm not in the mafia.

I don't know. I don't either. I'm not even going to think about it ever again.

Don't worry about it. So essentially, an associate kind of, to me at least, sounds like a soldier in training.

It's like you prove yourself and then I think you prove yourself.

It's like steps, like you prove yourself even further when you become a soldier.

So the soldier that Joe was reporting to was a man named Gino Galestro.

Galestro had met Joe while he was a bouncer at Fresca's restaurant in Tauntonville.

And as the two of them got to know each other more, Galestro kind of felt like Joe was someone he could trust.

Which is pretty big for a mafia person to trust you.

And on top of that... He knew that he was someone who would be interested in joining the family, if you will.

And Galestro also needed a favor. He had somebody that he wanted Joe to take out.

He had told Joe that 39-year-old Robert McKelvey, excuse me, who he claimed was another associate, had been bragging around town about being associated with the family and like different jobs that he got to be a part of.

And on top of the bragging, Galestro also said that Robert owed him money.

Not a good thing. Not good. So Galestra wanted Robert McKelvey dead, and he wanted Joe, known among the family as Joe Black... to do it for him.

Okay. So they settled on a price of what the FBI reports as $10,000. but literally almost every news outlet reports it as 8,000.

So I'm not sure if the outlet's reporting are considering the amount that Joe would have had to share with the family and that's why the numbers are different.

They take off a certain percentage. It doesn't really matter because no amount of money is worth a human's life.

No. Yeah. So... It's going to get bleak here.

I can feel it. Real bleak. The plan was put into motion on the night of March 29, 2005. at the kreischer mansion joe was there with a couple of other associates and somehow he was able to convince robert mckelvey to come out to the property that night to chat with him, he said.

Immediately upon arrival, Robert McKelvey was ambushed.

As he walked through the front door, Joe had been hiding behind the door of the foyer, and he jumped out. and stabbed robert immediately oh damn so robert mckelvey tries running back outside, and he actually makes it a little ways down the property. but Joe catches up, tackles him to the ground, and starts trying to strangle him.

Damn. Now, it was too much of a struggle for Joe to strangle him So he started dragging Robert to the garden pond on the front side of the mansion. and drowned him to death holy shit in like a shallow pond which weirdly is grave-shaped Oh, that's so gross.

So gross. So he stabbed him, strangled him, and then drowned him.

In a pond. In a pond. Yes. It's like a little garden pond.

Oh, that's even creepier. I don't know why.

It is creepier because it's supposed to be this really beautiful, peaceful thing.

Like, serene. Like, people would sit out there and maybe have, like, tea or write poems.

And you're just, like, brutally drowning another human in there.

You're just decimating the area. Ugh. So when Joe was sure that Robert was dead, he went back inside to all the other guys that were there. and they all went back out together to drag Robert's body to a shed in the back.

And now this is literally the most horrific part of this entire story, other than him being brutally murdered.

They all went to fucking Dunkin' Donuts after this.

That's some mafia stuff right there. Are you joking me?

Nope. Just a quick snack break before heading to Home Depot to buy the supplies that they would need to dismember a human's body.

My God. So when they got back to the mansion after their quick Dunkin' and Home Depot trip, they also brought along a mattress into the kitchen. and then brought Robert's body inside to place on top of the mattress while they dismembered him so that the mattress would soak up all the blood.

Oh, like they were very prepared for this.

I always just think whenever you talk about the process here, like dragged a mattress in there, I'm like, What were you guys talking about?

That's the thing. What was the vibe here?

Because to me it's like... I don't know.

This is just like House of Horrors kind of shit.

Oh, just wait. And it's like, were you talking?

I don't, I feel like, I feel like they were, I feel like they were, I feel like they were just chatting.

I don't know. Like that's the vibe I get here.

Well, and I'm like, did you bring your coffee?

Like, was your coffee just like your Dunkin'?

Your beautiful Dunkin' was just sitting alongside while you like literally did the worst thing you could possibly do.

Just feels like so, it's so foreign to my brain to like comprehend, which is a good thing.

Should beat all of ours. Yeah. But I just think about it.

I'm like, what were you talking about? What were you doing?

I think about that in a lot of cases, like what were you doing?

How do you just sit there and do this to a person?

If I don't say, like, have a nice day to someone that I don't even know, like, I don't know, like at the drive-thru or something, I'm like...

Well, I'm a shitty person. I'm going to go to limbo forever because I suck.

I'm on my way to purgatory because of that.

That's really funny. On my way to purgatory.

Like, can we put that on a shirt? I love that. like that a lot.

On my way to purgatory. That spoke to me right there.

I feel that. Because I think I'm on my way there because I don't think I have a good day every time.

I actually did very much. I was just going to say you wave at everybody.

Yeah, I'm friendly. You are. When I'm having a day and I don't want to be friendly, I think that's bad.

And I'm like, these people could take themselves to this level of place.

I don't know. I cannot. So they finished dismembering the body, and they brought what was left down to the mansion's basement... and burned the remains in the furnace.

Eventually, they discarded the ashes and whatever was left, including bone fragments, into the septic tank.

Ugh. Yeah. And after that, they had about a year to go about their own lives, knowing full well that they had murdered a man and just brutalized his body decimated him i know i already said that so i don't want to say it again Oh.

But you can say it. You know what? That's smart.

Yeah. I got to like sparingly object it.

You got to vary it up. So Robert McKelvey's sister reported him missing very quickly after the murder.

But the police took a while to figure out what happened.

Most likely knowing that organized crime definitely played a role into the missing persons case?

Smells fishy. It does. It wasn't until a year after Robert McKelvey was killed that the police actually learned what happened to him.

And they learned what happened to him because another associate of the Bonanno crime family, named, I don't know if it's Steven or Stefan.

I'm going to say Steven. Go with it. And the last name is Chakali.

So Stephen Chakali became what the mob would call a turncoat.

Oh, I know what that is. He started cooperating with the feds to save his own skin, which is a... scary thing to do if you're in the position that he's in, I'm sure, but a great thing to do because they could actually discover like a man's body and you know, know what happened at least like his family.

I mean, it's horrible that his family has to know what happened, but they don't have to wonder where he is.

Yeah, exactly. you want to know it's a horrible situation there's really no good here there's none there's no positive outcome yeah So the police were coming in hot on his tail, and he obviously knew that telling them everything about the murder that happened in the Kreischer mansion... would at least get him some kind of deal in this case.

So he spilled everything he knew to the authorities, everything that I just told you. and then they had to go out to the mansion, obviously, to verify this story.

So while they were investigating at the mansion, all of the evidence pieced together and told them the same story that he had.

There were bone fragments and what they described as personal effects of McKelvie found in the septic system.

Excuse me. Jesus. McKelvey's blood had actually stained one of the stairs leading down to the basement.

Wow. Mhm. Unfortunately, the furnace though had been replaced since the murder. because before this investigation even started, there were plans to convert the mansion and use the land around it for an assisted living facility for seniors.

Stop. Thank gosh that hadn't happened yet.

Can you imagine? Like, they're having to clear all these senior citizens out of this place to investigate a brutal...

Yes. Both. Murder. Like, imagine? Thank gosh that hadn't happened yet.

No. So the fact that they weren't going to be able to get any evidence from the furnace really wasn't too much of a hit for the prosecution working the case. because they had so much other evidence from other parts of the mansion, and they had an informant wrapped around their fingers at this point.

He was gonna testify as well when the time came.

Obviously, you gotta testify if you want that deal.

Oh, boy. Yeah. So the time came in May 2006 for all the men involved to be arrested and indicted on charges of...

Murder, assault, arson, robbery, carjacking, loan sharking, and illegal firearm possession.

So like a very light list. Yeah, totally.

Yeah. Joe Black, Gino Galestrol. Galester, excuse me, Stephen, yeah, I said Stephen Ciccali, and two other mob associates were all named in the indictment.

So there were two other men there that night.

I'm like, I just don't want to say too many names.

I was just some guys, some dudes in there.

The case, though, didn't go to trial until 2008.

But when it did, Gino Galestro actually pleaded guilty to ordering the hit.

He was out on bail when he ordered the hit for another case that was against him, obviously.

And for this case, he ended up getting sentenced to 20 years in prison, which people were like, that was lenient but yeah it was really i think it was just like the charges that he had that was the best they could do yeah Now, the informant obviously testified against all of the men involved in the case, and he was eventually let out of jail with time served and was ushered into the witness protection program.

I was gonna say. What a deal. You're there for a you snitch and then... You become a rat and then you just get to... and then you get like the deal of a lifetime.

Exactly, you could just start a whole new life.

How? Okay. Yeah, I'm glad you said that.

This man gets to start a whole new life while he was there while involved in the process of taking away another man's life.

Yeah, like I understand that like you gotta give and take a little in these cases, but...

That seems incredibly unfair to me. Oh, yeah.

There's no black and white injustice here.

There's not. It is just a bunch of gray area.

I like thought about how fucked up that was that he got to like go in the witness protection program.

Like, I think that's fucked up. But when you really think about it, it's like, wow.

Yeah, exactly. Like the whole thing is just.

That is not fair. Woof. So Joseph Young was convicted. not only on murder charges, but on what would make up an entire double-sided PDF of other charges.

I'm going to tell you, all of which had been committed while he was working under Gino.

He had attempted to set a car on fire because the owner of the car had like crossed Gino in some way.

Of course. He robbed an illegal massage parlor in New Jersey at gunpoint.

He had illegally obtained firearms and then taken them across state lines and also scratched off the serial numbers.

He had literally burned down a home in January of 2006 while two people were sleeping inside.

Oh my God. Luckily nobody died, but one person almost died of a heart attack.

Yeah, that's like attempted murder. Truly.

He also extorted somebody for money in October of 2005, which I'm sure there was a lot more of that going on.

Oh, Just like not reporting. Just once in 2005.

Yeah, just one time. He dabbled in that.

Yeah, he conspired to rob a pizza place, of course.

He assaulted a man with a police-issue baton in a crowbar. because the man was a mechanic whose business rivaled another fellow crew member.

They broke his kneecaps that night. Oh. I can't even say that without my kneecaps being like, don't hurt me.

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We love you, Jordan. He explained to the court, oh wait, before I say that, also during the trial, it came out that on his MySpace, he had his occupation listed.

What do you think his occupation was listed as?

I'm sorry, back it up. He had a Myspace?

Yeah, it was 2006. Of course he did. That motherfucker had a Myspace?

Everybody had a Myspace. know everybody out of my space but like he out of my space why is That's so funny.

I'm a Myers-Briggs. Why is that so funny?

I don't know, but you gotta guess. His occupation was...

Consultants. No. They said, what was your occupation on MySpace listed as?

And his response in court testimony is...

Death. Death. He thought that he was some slick-ass motherfucker and listed his Myspace occupation as deaf.

I do death for a living go fuck yourself I take lives for a living.

Girl, you're on MySpace. Like what? Tom would not approve.

I'm all of that. All of that. I do wonder, like, was his top five like his fellow crew?

That's the thing. I'm still stuck on the MySpace thing.

You're not wrong. Did he have like a profile song?

Was there? Did he know HTML? What do you think his profile song was?

Did he also learn coding like the rest of us just to make your profile cool?

Girl, I just learned copy and paste. I'm...

Truly. I'm speechless that he had a MySpace.

I know everybody had a MySpace, but like...

No, everyone had a MySpace. No, I know you're right.

I need to. I didn't even think of what his MySpace song would have been.

Oh, my God. That's the first thing I thought of.

The first thing I thought of was what his quote was.

Oh, my God. You're like awakening all these different things that I forgot about.

Oh, yeah. My entire, like... We had a playlist.

You taught me how to put a playlist on my MySpace.

I wasn't just settling for one song. No, that's wild.

One time I had the song, I think it's called Baby By Me by 50 Cent.

And it's like, how about baby by me? Maybe be a millionaire.

Meanwhile, keep in mind, Ash was like...

4.5 years old. Yeah, I think I was like, honestly, like 13.

Like way too young. I did love Fitty. But my mom left me a note.

I had that song, and then I had music is my hot sex.

Yeah, I like... At like 13? At 13. And my mom left a note on the computer desk that said, inappropriate, please remove.

Okay. And actually she wrote, music is my hot, hot sex, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, please remove, inappropriate.

And I was like, you know what? That's a parenting win for you.

You're like, you know what? Parenting win.

You're correct. Fair. Fair woman. Valid.

Other things, not so much. Anyways. Wow.

I'll never get over that. Yeah. He listed his occupation.

Not the music is my hot hot sex. I mean, I'll never get over.

I mean, we'll never get over. This guy having a MySpace.

Yeah, he did. He did. Just like the rest of us.

Wow, there's so many questions. And, like, death.

Like, you're not cool. So he explained to the court, quote, I have no excuse.

Okay, correct. You don't have an excuse.

I like to think of myself as a little... Well, I don't like to.

I was going to say you like to. But I'm like... honest with myself and I do think of myself as a little irresponsible from time to time.

Like, not really anymore. But I don't think I would describe what he did as...

Irresponsible. I'm irresponsible. That's why I murdered someone.

That's why... viciously murder people. I'm an irresponsible guy.

So irresponsible. I just don't like responsibilities.

No, that's like evil. Like, sir, wrong. No.

Now obviously we're talking about somebody with a family here.

Yeah. Like Robert McKelvey had a family and they loved him.

And his sister who reported him missing said he was a, He was being a big shot because these guys impressed him.

My brother was not a gangster. He was a stupid kid, but he was not a member of the Bonanno crime family.

He was a stupid kid that was just very impressed with the gangsters.

Oh, that hurts my heart. For some reason, I got chills reading that.

Because you just think of... The way she's describing him is like, my brother's just a stupid kid.

Like my kid brother. And he was just impressed by these guys.

Right. That hurts because you just like know that that's like a real thing.

Of course. And that's like a sister being like.

That's how you do talk about your brother.

He's a stupid kid, but he's not a bad guy.

He's a stupid kid, but he just got wrapped up in something that was so much bigger than him.

And I can only imagine that while he was alive, like she was like, come on, like, you got to get out of this.

Like she was probably like you don't want to be wrapped up with this stuff and it's so horrible to think that like this happened yeah it's so sad absolutely So my heart goes out to his family.

Yeah. But when Joseph Young went to prison, obviously a new caretaker had to be hired.

And a man named Rick Rispoli was the lucky winner.

I'm fucking obsessed with Rick Rispoli, just so everybody knows.

I will show you a video of Rick Rispoli.

If you hop onto YouTube and check out the Inside Edition video, He's the guy giving the tour of a mansion.

Everybody go do that because we will all collectively fall in love with Rick.

Amazing. There's just something about him.

Something about Rick. Something about Rick.

But before he was the caretaker of the mansion, he was actually a concert promoter. in charge of putting on different events at the mansion.

I'm not sure whether he was the one to like orchestrate this event or not, but in 1998, the B-52s performed on the lawn of Chrysler Manor. that's so random i love shack baby i love shack wow like love that love that a lot More than I love, not more than I love Rick.

I love Rick. I feel like Rick's great. He is.

You just wait. So when Rick first took on the caretaker job, he worked alongside a woman named Elizabeth Marino.

And the both of them say that one day they walked into the mansion and guess what they heard?

A door slam. Yes, they heard doors slamming, like multiple doors slamming.

Yeah, they did. And they heard a woman crying.

Oh that's sad. Could it be Frida? People always hear a woman crying.

Maybe it is. I think it is. I think it could be.

Now, during their time at the mansion, obviously people have told them tons of different stories about the hauntings.

They say there's been a woman spotted on the front porch from time to time wearing like Victorian era clothing.

Oh, damn. And then this is so fucking creepy.

They say that you'll hear scratching coming from the inside of a closet. in the mansion because there are rumors that back in the day, children used to be locked inside of closets as a punishment.

What the fuck, everyone? I really didn't want to look too much further into that, to be honest with you.

So we'll just leave that there. I'm just going to take their word.

Yep, just gonna leave that there. But just to leave you with, I think I wrote down one last spooky story, but I think there might be one more after this.

This is a great story. Another woman who works with Rispoli, her name is Carla Gaor, I think.

She was working one day at the mansion, getting ready for this like haunted hayride.

And they were putting it on like they do the whole month of October.

They do haunted houses. I want to go. Yeah, exactly.

Same. But so she's getting ready for this.

All the employees are around the actors, everything like that.

And she kept seeing this little boy running around the property.

And he was pretty hyper and just like straight up having a good time running amok.

Amok, amok, amok. But everyone who saw him, including the person driving the tractor, was like really worried about him getting hurt.

He was like, I can't see everything. And he just tears out.

I can't have this kid running around. So they were like, is this someone's child?

Does this belong to anyone? Does anybody know this one?

So they thought that it was a specific actress's son.

So they went over to her and they were like, hey, can you just keep an eye on whatever her kid's name was?

And she goes... Uh, well, like, I left him at home today, so I think he's good.

So, like, I think someone's keeping an eye on him?

That's not my kid. Oh. She literally said, I didn't bring him to work today.

And then that kid was, like, unaccounted for.

He didn't belong to anyone. Yeah. No. No.

What's interesting about that story is that it's not the only time people have reported seeing a boy.

And the way they describe him is very similar all the time.

Running around on the mansion grounds, people see him all the time.

I love that he's just having a... Fucking blast.

Me too. In the afternoon. Just vibing. Yeah.

A lot of people wonder if it's one of Baltazar's children with either Caroline or Matilda that died when they were little.

Uh-huh. Because remember, Balthazar and Caroline's son Henry died at six. and that people say this kid looks right around the age.

Yeah, right around then. But also Matilda and Baltazar had two children that didn't survive into adulthood.

So it could be one of those children. Maybe.

Just playing at their brother Charles' house for all eternity.

Yeah, just psyched. I love it. So, yeah.

The latest on the Chrysler Mansion is that it went on the market in 2021 for $7.4 million. and it's supposed to be bid at on an auction and Now the end goal, which I don't know, it kind of bums me out.

I think it's going to bum you out too. The end goal is to build condos on the land surrounding the mansion.

No. And it's for active adults. is how it's described?

No. Do you think that's like 55 and older?

Yeah, that feels like that's what that is.

And they think so they're going to do like condos around it.

And they'll have the mansion kind of be like the common room, like the commonplace.

I literally. hate this. To gather for like meals and games.

No I hate it. I don't really like it. No.

I mean, maybe Balthazar and like the Chryshers would have been happy about it because they did like giving back to the community.

Yeah. But it just... I don't know. It doesn't feel right to me.

I think it should just be like... A museum.

Me too. Like, turn it into, like, keep it how it is.

Keep doing the haunted hay rides and all that stuff.

Keep doing the haunted shit. Just keep it up.

Yeah. Oh, come on. Don't do that. Well, the Isaac...

And Isaac there wants to sell it because he has like a lot of West Coast projects going on.

And I think he's just ready to kind of like. put this into different hands, but I haven't seen any updates since last June.

But a few articles that I read on the ongoing project pointed out that Isaac Yamtovian will have to get a couple different permits since the mansion is a landmark.

Yeah. So I guess that makes things tricky. and maybe that's why there hasn't been an update.

Why don't we all, every single person listening right now, let's band together.

Yes. Let's all chip in 10 bucks. 10 bucks.

Let's buy that mansion. Let's buy that motherfucking mansion.

Let's turn it into its fucking glory. Yeah, like we can just fix up whatever.

I think Isaac took great care of it. Yeah.

From the sounds of it. So we'll just keep it like a museum.

Like don't build on the land around it. Yeah.

It can't be used for like bingo night. Yeah.

That's not. I don't. I can't. I don't want that.

It just doesn't feel right. It doesn't. And just like a little fun side note to end this on.

If you've been looking at pictures while we're kind of talking about this, you better not be driving.

Yeah. Just kidding. Well, you better not be.

But if the mansion looks familiar to you, It's because it's actually been on a few TV shows.

Like, they filmed on location here. Boardwalk Empire.

Gotham. And bones have all filmed there.

Oh my god. Yeah, right? Look at that. And then, of course, paranormal lockdown, ghost adventures, and a show called Haunted Encounters.

Ooh. But apparently during the Boardwalk Empire filming, a few members of the cast and crew experienced like some paranormal shit.

People said that they felt like they were grabbed.

There were props that would move on their own.

Cameras would turn on and off with like nobody touching them.

And some of them saw a little girl dressed in period clothing.

Creepy. I don't love that. So creepy. I'm telling you, ghost kids.

Totally, 100%. That's where I'm out. And then I did watch, you should totally watch the paranormal lockdown because they got a bunch of EVPs.

One of them said, kill him. Oh, that's mafia shit.

One of them said, I'm so sorry. Oh. Another one said, I'm Edward Kreischer.

Nice to meet you. No, it didn't say nice to meet you.

I love that. He's just like, what up? So they got an EVP and they thought that it said better watch out, which is like super creepy.

But to me, it sounded like I got locked out.

Oh, I like that. I thought you were going to say it sounds like Santa being like, you better watch out.

Yeah, no. I got locked out. I got to listen to it.

And so while they were there, they had like a psychic come in, like a medium, and they performed a seance and they closed the portal.

They attempted to close the portal and they believe that they may have closed it and sent all the good spirits to the light.

And hopefully like sent the bad ones wherever they came from.

Wherever the bad ones go. Exactly. Damn.

So wild. And oh, about that little girl in the period clothing.

They felt like everybody that saw her felt like she was lost.

Which I was like, oh no. That's really sad.

Is she looking for someone? You need your parents?

What's going on? I know. And then again, on the on the haunted house side of things, because of everything going on with the sale of the mansion, I'm not sure if they're doing the tours or not, but they did used to offer different time slots for tours during the day.

And then, of course, at an elevated rate, you could do a nighttime ghost tour.

Oh, my God. I want to do that. I would do it.

I want to do it. Amazing. And I, they did like the haunted stuff last year.

Like they did all the haunted stuff in 2021.

So I'm like, maybe October. Uber. Maybe.

Road trip anyone? I want to go. I want to G.

Go. Go. Oh, I want to do it. So that is the Kreischer Mansion.

It is fascinating. It really is. Yeah, and just the fact that so much went down at this place.

And that's the thing. So much went down at this place and we're just going to turn it into like a place for active adults.

Thank you. That's the weird thing to me.

It's like. There's so much history. There's a lot of history in that place and, like, gnarly history, too.

It just doesn't feel... correct to do that i don't know i mean i understand like i guess people don't want it to be like a Museum or something because they I don't know if it's they're worried about like people breaking in when someone's not there Yeah, I can definitely understand the thought process for sure.

But like, I don't understand. I'm just like, no.

And I don't understand the other thought process of turning it into like a. condominium place.

No, I don't get that. That sucks. No. We gotta stop turning everything into condos.

We need to get a little creative here. We don't need that many condos.

No, there's so many fucking condos. So many.

This earth is just crawling with condos.

That's not even an overstatement. It's really not.

Yeah, I think we should all go on a road trip and like... maybe we should like set up a protest let's do it let's do it We're all going to do it together.

I love you guys. We can do this. We can do this, guys.

Let's do this. Let's do this. I should have done this in total ASMR because I'm officially losing my voice now.

Well, that's perfect because we're at the end.

Perfect. We hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it. but not so weird that you end every single episode with ASMR because imagine if we started doing that, it would be kind of so spooky to be honest with you.

And it really fits with the spooky title of the Chrysler Mansion episode.

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[The Haunted History and Dark Secrets of the Kreischer Mansion]-[Episode 316: The Kreischer Mansion]

📋 Summary

The Legacy and Hauntings of the Kreischer Mansion

The Rise of Balthazar Kreischer

Tragedy and the "Curse" of Fire

Mafia Connections and Brutal Violence

Paranormal Activity

Preservation vs. Development

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