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With a guest! Woohoo! Guys, we have Corey on the show today.
Corey is a TikTok star, a legend, an iconic human. and she's going to tell us all about herself.
Well, you just made me sound a lot cooler than I am.
So thank you for that. Thank you for that.
I'll send you like $5 quick pay after this.
Love that. Thank you. But yeah, yes. TikTok star, I guess.
Yeah, you're at like 2.1 million followers.
That's crazy. That's wild. Yeah, it was like in...
I think it's just been a little over a year at this point.
Wow, that's a lot of growth for one year.
That's crazy. That's astronomical. It's been an insane journey, an insane journey.
How did you like get started? Like what made you go to TikTok and what kept you there?
So it was like right before COVID hit and like we were like preparing for COVID. this what you guys call a panorama a patricia whatever it is Right.
And so I was super bored and I'm a clinical therapist.
And so I was like, yes, yeah, it's interesting.
That's for sure. And so I was like, you know what?
I have like a creative side. I want to lean into that.
So I started doing TikTok videos about just like mental health and like how, like, Quick tips, different therapy techniques, information, education about mental health and raising awareness for it.
And so that's how I started. And then after a while, I was just so...
I get burnt out from it because I do it 40 hours a week at my job.
Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah. And it was my outlet.
So I was like, I got to have it be something different.
And so I leaned into, I was like, okay, well, what else am I?
And Obviously, when you're a mom, you have no other identity.
Oh, yeah. Right. And so I was like, all right, I'm just gonna do mom content.
Like, this is my life. Having a kid is a shit show as...
You know Elena. Oh yeah. So I just started saying the things that nobody says.
And I was like, you know what? I love that so much.
I feel like I needed it in the beginning of like, I mean, my daughter's four, so.
She's still obviously in the early stages, but like even just like the baby stages, I'm like, man, I wish I could have heard this.
So I started it and it took off and I'm super grateful for it.
And, um, It's been an amazing journey so far.
I can only imagine. Did you start using it recently? figure out some of your family dynamic and stuff like that because you're adopted?
Right. Yeah. So I... Okay. So long story short, I knew I was adopted ever since birth and just going to start it off that like my mom and dad are my mom and dad you know I don't call them my adoptive parents yeah like they went to my ass I'm sorry no one else did like That's like how I am with my grandma.
She's my mom. Say nothing otherwise. Exactly.
Exactly. So I but I was always curious. So I reached out to my birth mom when I had my daughter.
And long story short, it was great. And then she just turned to a psychopath and it didn't work out.
And then that was the first time I was like, well, you know, I guess it takes two to make a baby.
So like... What about my biological father?
That was the only time I actually ever thought about it.
Right. What's the other half of this equation?
Exactly. Yeah. So I reached out. I tried to do it myself, like researching things.
Cause I knew his name and I just like, wasn't finding anything.
I'm also like horrible at the internet. Yeah.
But I just I can't work it like me doing an email is like a huge accomplishment.
So, yeah, so I went on TikTok and I was like, okay, well, I have this following.
Maybe they could help me. Here's my cat.
The cutest little meow I've ever heard. That was awesome.
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Kevin. The best. Kevin is the best. Oh, my God.
And so I made a video. And I was like, hey, guys, this is the information I have.
This is the name. I this is the area where I know he. lived in.
And at this point I knew he had passed away.
And the only information I had for how he passed away was through like a brain tumor.
And that was all I knew. So, oh my God, within a day, I had hundreds and hundreds of messages of people being like, I think this is what I found.
I love this. This is your family's Facebook.
This is like your, you know, it was insane.
And so I followed up on those leads. That's wild.
And I eventually found where my... So he was with like a bunch of different families.
He had a bunch of different kids, but his latest family was who I got in contact with.
And so his like latest wife and he had three kids.
And so I reached out. So like my half siblings.
Right. And they were like, oh, my God, like we had no idea you existed.
Like, this is crazy. Like, you know, like I would love to like set up a conversation with you.
And I was like, yes, like I, I need to find answers like as an adopted child like it's just super healing and yeah always something you think about for sure biological you can't fight it Right.
And so I did a Zoom call with them and I was like, okay, so like...
What was he like? Tell me about him. as cool as me?
Like, what are we doing here? Is that where I get it from?
Right. Well, then here we go. And then they're like, oh, you don't know.
And I was like, oh. Like, what are you about to tell me?
Whenever someone uses those words, that particular sentence, you're like, oh...
Here we go. What's following that? Yup. My heart started pounding.
I was like, okay, like this... Like, what?
Was he like... I knew he was a drug addict, but I'm like, okay, so maybe he just did something like drug wise that was like not approved of. sure not savory literally be anything at that point you have no idea Right.
And they're like, yeah, well, you know, he, he passed away.
And I was like, yeah. And they're like, well, he was in prison, um, He was life in prison at the time he passed away.
I was like... I'm sorry. But why though?
Like, what? I'm like, life in prison? Like, you gotta kind of have a... crime big old crime it's gotta be felonious whatever's coming next I was like, okay.
So... For what? And I'm like, do I even want to know this answer?
Do I just hang up now? Like I didn't know what to do.
And so they started explaining it more and they were like, well, you know, he was super abusive and I guess to them and like, the wife at the time oh no that's and I was like yeah and I was like I am so sorry like the fact that I even like had to trigger this or bring this up, I'm like, you guys don't have to tell me like, you know, I, it's okay.
Cause I don't want to trigger them anymore.
Right. And, and they're like, no, it's fine.
Like they've been in therapy. They're like, you know, we've processed this so much.
And I was like, okay, well, whatever you feel comfortable telling me and I didn't push it at all.
And, um, So supposedly he was very abusive throughout the whole thing.
Um, to the point where like the, his wife, ex-wife was pregnant.
And, um, pushed her down the stairs. She, like, lost the baby.
He was super abusive to the kids. And so finally, the mom was like, get the fuck out of here.
Like, get out of here. I'm like, hell yeah.
Get that foot down. This dude's an asshole.
And so I guess he retaliated, got really upset and tried to mass murder his family.
Oh, gosh. By arson. What? Oh my gosh. This must have been so intense to hear.
I was like, Because you're never prepared to hear it.
How do you prepare yourself to learn that?
Exactly. What? Right. You're like, okay, I'm receiving this, but I don't know how.
I swear for the next week, I was like calling my mom, my dad. my boyfriend, my best friend.
And I just kept repeating the story because I was like, I can't grasp this concept that my biological father tried to mass murder his family.
My God. Right. And so yeah, it was by arson.
He tried to like lock all the doors somehow and set them on fire.
I did not push for more details after that.
And he eventually got life in prison and died in prison where I was like, thank fucking God. like yes you kind of deserve to die you asshole I mean oh my God.
Wow. So that's connection to true crime, I guess.
That's what I'm saying. I'm like, you know, I was kind of like meant to go on this because I'm like true crime by blood.
You are. I love it. I love that you describe it that way.
I literally told my therapist it was so funny.
And I was like, do you think like I'm like destined to be a murderer? she's like what no but i don't blame you for saying i get that Cause I have like strange motherhood connections and I'm like, am I going to be my mom?
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Right. You chose a different path for sure.
And it's so funny because like I got my domestic violence certificate.
I'm a recovering addict. I obviously am a clinical therapist, mental health wise.
So it's like everything he was, I like did the opposite.
And it's just so interesting. it's so interesting to see how, how that plays out.
But yeah. Such a like, Thing to show, like, nature versus nurture.
Yeah, right. Like, how it can just... Right.
And fight against nature. Yes. It was insane.
So. Yeah, so that's how I'm a murderer by blood.
Wow. Oh my goodness. Welcome. Welcome to the show.
I guess we were meant to have you on. It's so funny because Corey reached out to me on Instagram and she was like, I have a huge connection to true crime.
Like, I love morbid. I want to be on. And I was like, oh, I'm obsessed with your TikTok.
Let's do this. But I had no idea it was like all of that.
I was dying. And for some reason I had it wrong.
I thought it was your grandfather. So I was emailing and I was using grandfather.
You're probably like, what is this girl talking about?
No, I don't. I probably said grandfather again.
I barely have my life together, so I likely said grandfather.
No, it was my father. Wow, that's wild.
That's so insane. And it's funny because Ash brought up your name. and I was like, why do I know that name?
And then I was like, oh, I follow her on TikTok and I've been obsessed with several of her videos.
That's the core you're talking about? I was like, I feel like We've definitely like sent them back and forth before.
Me and my husband have sent them back and forth because we're always sending like parent TikToks to each other.
Right. Just to be like, this one's so perfect.
How do people, the accuracy in which people know our lives.
Because it's true. the humor that needs to be added with being like a parent is just needed.
Like it's survival at that point. If you don't have a sense of humor, I don't know how you survived.
I'm not an ex-parent and I feel like as an aunt, I need a sense of humor. humor to survive the day here sometimes yeah that's how my best friend is so we call her aunt And she's like, it's like three hours.
And she's like, I'm sorry, like, I have to go like I have to exit at this point. out of here to leave that's me when I leave sometimes I mean like I love being here but there's some days where I'm like Deuces.
And I'll just stand on the porch waving at her as she drives away like, take me with you.
Flying inside. Have so much fun in your place alone.
That's so funny. It's so true. Well, I feel like there's no real transition into this case because, whoa, this is like a crazy case.
Have you heard of the TikTok suitcase murders?
So I know you had like mentioned it and I was like, don't look it up.
Don't look it up. Sorry. I want to be surprised.
I wanted to be surprised, but I only knew like a little bit about it.
So I'm like, really excited to kind of get into the nitty gritty and details.
Cause yeah, All I remember is that they wouldn't take it down for a while.
So yeah, that's all I am aware about it.
So that's like basically all I knew about it when I was getting into it.
And then I got into it and I was like, Oh, okay.
I'd really like to be out of this now because it is gnarly and ongoing somewhat.
I only saw that one TikTok about it. Yeah.
That quick little thing. That's all I really saw.
And actually... Even though they took that video down, I went on the other day just to see if I could find the kid talking about it at all, and you can't.
But there's so many other creators that are still using that particular video.
So it's still circulating TikTok all the time.
So it's still going around. Yeah, it's still going around.
Like other people using screen captures or like something like that, which is shitty.
Because if you're somebody on TikTok and you are sharing that video, just know that the family doesn't want it out there.
No. Absolutely. It's so disrespectful. Yeah, that's somebody's daughter, that's somebody's son, like somebody, that's somebody, somebody.
And it's like very graphic. That picture, once you know what it is, like when you don't know what it is, it can look very innocuous.
But like, once you know what's happening here, you're like, that is...
Right. Like, that's a lot. That was just on TikTok.
All right. So let's get into it. let's do this so our story starts with Jessica Lewis and her boyfriend Austin Wenner Jessica Lewis was 35 years old and she was living in Seattle with her boyfriend, Austin Wenner, who was 27.
They had been dating for like eight years at the time of their death, and everyone who knew them said that they were just like super good-hearted people.
Jessica was born in Maple Valley, and by all accounts, she was like a super hard worker.
First of all, she had four children, so you guys know that's a job in and of itself.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Four children. Oh, yeah.
She also had two jobs on top of that. One was where she worked at an assisted living, and then the other one was... was a nursing home.
That's a superhero. I was going to say, she's choosing jobs outside of her already. completely you have to be selfless job.
Right. She's choosing other selfless jobs.
She was clearly just like, like a very good-hearted person who very wanted to help other people yeah yeah And Austin was born in Kent, Washington, and he was known among his friends as Cash Money, which I just thought was really great.
I'm obsessed with that. I love that. Love that.
He also was a father. He had one child of his own from a previous relationship.
I didn't get like a ton of information about his background just because there really isn't a lot, but they were just like super, super in love and you could tell they were happy together.
Oh, now at the time, I know, I know. And it gets weird.
Like there's a lot of things that. It seems like there's a lot of things people did know that they were doing but there's a lot of mystery in this where people didn't know exactly what they were up to so...
I'm also just going to throw a trigger warning out here.
There's like abuse that we're going to get into.
There's also like sexual abuse that we'll get into later on down the line.
So if you want to sit this one out, feel free.
But not you, Corey, and not you, Alina. We're stuck.
You guys are stuck. We're stuck in this.
Yeah, we are in this together. So at the time of their deaths, they were... renting a room from this man.
They were renting a room in a house, and this man was 62-year-old Michael Lee Dudley.
And boy, is this guy a fucking dud. He lived in the house along with his tenants.
So he was like living with them. This house was on Obwom Boulevard in Burien, Washington.
He was charging them $1,500 a month for one room.
Girl, that's more than my rent. That's literally like essentially what my rent is and I have a whole ass apartment.
For just a room. One room. I was going to say, they just rented the room.
I'm sure they had access to the kitchen or whatever, but...
They literally were renting a room. Wow.
And I was glad because along my research process, other people were like, what the fuck?
You're like, okay. Huge red flag and they were having a hard time making the rent month to month because you know obviously they're living in this situation like they they're having a hard time with money like they don't they can't get a place fully on their own and it's like You would think this guy would kind of help them out a little bit, but not at all.
And he was getting more and more angry with them that they weren't making rent every month.
And then he said that it wasn't only the rent he was upset about.
He also alleged that they had brought criminal behavior into the house.
Was that ever specified? like somewhat, but it's not like totally determined.
So we'll get into it. Because it definitely seems to be true that there was something criminal going on around the time that Jessica and Austin were both murdered. multiple witnesses came forward after their deaths and they said that there was an issue going on between Austin and and the Samoan Americans living in the area.
And no one was quite sure what had gone on between them, But one of the witnesses said that it was either over COVID-19 relief cards or some kind of quote, check thing.
Huh. What was criminal was the $1,500 rent payment.
That's what was absolutely criminal. That was definitely something criminal happening there.
In addition to the COVID-19 relief cards or the check thing that was going on, I'm like, what does that mean?
But they also were saying that Austin had stolen vehicles on the property that he had stolen from Samoan people.
Okay. But that's never been like... What's the word?
Fill it in for me. You got this. Confirmed.
Confirmed. Thank you. I don't know why I couldn't think of the word confirmed.
I almost said convicted. I was going to say that's never been specified and I don't know why I was going to say that.
I was going to say that too, so we're on the same page.
Okay, good. I'm glad. So yeah, that's never been confirmed.
But whatever was going on was definitely escalating quickly.
Because another witness who was left unnamed in the affidavit said that Austin told them he had pissed off the wrong Samoan man. and that the man had put Austin's name on a bullet and left it in the mailbox of Dudley's home.
And in addition to that witness's statement, Austin's aunt had come forward and confirmed that same story so it seems like that is confirmed oh wow Wild.
That's intense. Yeah. And then on the morning of June 9th, which is the morning that they were believed to have been murdered later that day.
So the same day that they were murdered.
But before that, they were at Austin's mother's house, the two of them doing some yard work, and they were hoping to earn some money from his mother. and she said that they were both in a state of panic and they told her that people had broken into the room where they lived They were carrying guns, and after they beat the two of them, they demanded money.
Whoa. Yeah. I'd be panicked as well. I would also be panicked.
Yeah. Absolutely. I'm just like escalating.
This whole thing just sounds like straight out of a movie.
I'm like, what is going on here? Like, how did this all start?
I have no idea because there's so much because it like I said, it still is ongoing like he the man who they think did this. hasn't even gone to trial yet.
So it's like, what? It's just weird. So now that same night, the night of June 9th, 2020, is the night that, like I said, they believe Austin and Jessica were murdered.
Neighbors heard a man yelling, please don't do this, just let me leave.
And then heard multiple gunshots. Oh my god.
So they immediately called 911. The call was placed around 7.15 p.m. that night.
Police showed up. No one answered the door.
And so they left. What? They literally left because nobody answered the door for them.
After someone calls and is like, I'm pretty sure someone's getting murdered next door.
And they're like, we should knock on the door.
No one answered. So everything's probably fine.
And it's like, nope, somebody probably got killed in there.
And someone yelled, please don't do this.
Just let me leave. And then you heard gunshots.
And you're like... Knock, knock, knock?
No. Anyone? Okay, we'll go. Everything's fine.
Eh, never mind. Yeah. Seems like everything's fine in there.
The situation must have rectified itself.
They went to sleep. It's cool. It's like, what?
What? Wow. Crazy. So obviously Jessica and Austin were murdered that night.
But their bodies weren't found until June 19th, which was 10 days after they were believed to have been killed.
Man. Now, as we know, like we were talking about in the beginning, their bodies were discovered by a group of TikTokers.
And the TikTokers were using this app called Randonautica.
Have you guys ever heard of that? Yes. I have never heard of that.
Okay. I had never heard of it either. It's a crazy app.
I went in a deep, dark hole, like, just, like, researching random nautica.
I swear I spent, like, two hours just being like, what the fuck is this?
Mhm. So the app is for people to use if they want to like explore a certain area or have some kind of adventure.
Now when you download the app, you're asked to set an intention for what you want out of this whole thing.
You could say you want to see something inspiring.
You want to find money. You want to find money.
You could say that you want to see something that makes you uncomfortable. and the app will generate a set of coordinates for you to find.
And there's all these stories that people will find... these things that they're intending to find.
And I have a couple of these stories right now, so...
People get like intense outcomes from this.
And you do have to... of wonder what is staged with this and what's not, especially for TikTok content.
I think some people are definitely... taking an extra mile you know who who did a video um not a video a podcast episode on this is and that's why we drink Oh, did they?
Yeah, they did like a random Nautica adventure.
Oh. I didn't even know they did that. Yeah, I don't know what episode it is, but we'll shout it out if we can.
It's a good one. Do you know what they ended up finding?
I don't know exactly what they ended up finding, but I think it was like, there was some weird things that like lined up with what they were looking for, I think.
Yeah, it is weird. So I found a BuzzFeed article.
Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, is it still up?
I think it is. It's still an app? Okay. You can still use it.
Yeah. Um, so I found a Buzzfeed article where one set of users stumbled across just this wide open field and they went in the middle of the night.
And there was just a man like by himself just walking around this fucking field alone.
No. Not a chance. Did they ask to find something uncomfortable?
I couldn't find what their intention was.
But then... Unsettle me. And then just bring me there.
This one? Right. Next one somehow is scarier than that, so clearly Randonautica is just wild and out.
Oh no, now I want to use it. I know, I kind of want to use it too.
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Another set of users, I don't know again what their intention was, but they stumbled across this like small little village in the middle of the woods and And there was all these like structures, like little like houses and like hut things that were clearly put together by people.
I have to assume. And they were using trees and branches.
It was like very cool, rustic, chic kind of vibe, but also like Blair Witch kind of vibe.
Also terrible. Yeah. Yeah. So those are some of the things that people stumble across.
I have no idea what is going on with that.
I think before I could get burned, I'll just burn myself at this point.
Yeah, seriously. That's how scared I would be.
I feel like I got this. Don't worry about it.
But either way, Randonautica has tips for people that are new to using it.
And some of them kind of seem to be in place as precautions.
They tell people if they don't normally venture alone then they should go with a friend or a group.
They say that it's best done as a daytime activity, which you're like, but why though?
Why? Because at night they're going to lead you to a field with a random guy just standing in it.
They also say that you should be sure to have your phone totally charged and to use situational awareness.
Because I'm like, don't blame us. I'm like, y'all know what you're doing here.
What's happening? Doing something weird.
What do they mean by situational awareness?
Like... I have no idea. Common sense. You need to be specific.
You've got to leave right now. Yeah. Okay.
Okay. I'm like, all right. You're like, I don't want to do this anymore.
But either way, these TikTokers got a lot more than what they expected.
So that's what they used when they stumbled across this suitcase.
And the app generated a set of coordinates that ended up being on Alki Beach in Seattle.
And they saw that there was this black suitcase like right in the spot where their coordinates had led them to.
So that's just like obviously a weird coincidence.
This is a very wild way to find this. Very weird.
It really is. So they thought that it was part of the app.
To me, I'm like, oh, did they say that they wanted to get money? because they thought that the suitcase was full of money.
So they started opening it. and then they were poking it with a stick just to mess around with it, I guess.
But as soon as they started opening it more and more, the smell permeated the air and they said that it was the worst smell they had ever smelled in their entire Oh, my God.
I'm not sure how long it took for the police to show up because in a couple of sources, it said that it took hours for them to come.
I read that too somewhere. And I'm like, based on the fact that they left when they thought that somebody could have been being murdered, maybe they did take hours to show up.
You know, I was gonna say it's not that far off.
Maybe something's really going down around this area.
They came to the suitcase, knocked, no one answered, and they left.
Yeah, maybe that's what happened. like literally they were like nope don't see it alright sorry gotta go so when they got there the suitcase actually wasn't where the kids said it was gonna be So that's why I'm like, yeah, I think it took them a while to get there, but somehow I mean, I'm assuming the tides or something probably had something to do with it and the suitcase had gotten back into the water.
And there was a bag floating nearby because the bag that was in the suitcase got free.
It appeared to have a torso inside of it.
Oh, my God. Wild. So they called the harbor unit because they were like, hello, back up, please.
And while they were waiting for the harbor unit to arrive, the police found another bag floating in the water just a little bit farther away.
Now this one was a large duffel bag, and as they discovered that bag, a smaller white bag floated from underneath it.
Now all of the bags had the remains of 35-year-old Jessica Lewis and 27-year-old Austin Winner.
So horrible. Three days after that discovery, um, Another bag was found with more additional body parts belonging to the couple. in the same river or body of water?
I couldn't find what body it was, but it said it was different bodies of water.
I just couldn't find the exact one where it was.
So whoever had done this had clearly tried to separate them out and hide them.
That's horrible. So sad. The fact that people found this...
Just doing some fun little adventure on an app.
Doing a randonautica thing. A random app that's just supposed to bring you weird stuff, like a random guy in a field.
And they found like, you can't make this up.
If somebody wrote this in a movie, you'd be like, that's ridiculous.
Like that would never happen. Well, a lot of people when the TikTok happened thought that it was fake.
Yeah, I would have. Like, I think I remember seeing it and being like, yeah, fucking right.
Yeah, I was like, that's not real. Right.
And that's so traumatizing for the people that have found it.
I know. That's not easy on them. Oh, my God.
There's no way to prepare yourself for that, and there's no way to ever –
I mean, you literally stumbled upon someone's child.
No matter how old they are, they were someone's someone. like you just stumbled upon pieces of them in a suitcase like that will stay with you forever I would think yeah you can't unsee that Now, I guess we'll blame this on trauma, because...
Even after knowing what they had discovered was a human body, one of the kids from the group, like we said, still decided to upload the video.
Yeah. And he captioned it, something traumatic happened that changed my life.
We found this black suitcase. We were joking that maybe the suitcase would have money. but the smell was overwhelming.
And then alongside the caption, he added a couple of hashtags, and among them were hashtag crime, hashtag murder.
So I do feel like he kind of wanted to go viral with this.
How old were these kids? Do you know? I don't know their exact ages, but I think they were probably like 16, like around that age.
So I think one of the things you could probably say, by no means am I justifying it because it's not okay.
Young and stupid. But as a 16-year-old, I think... they are of that generation that grew up sharing Literally everything online or seeing that everyone shares everything online.
They never had a period of time where they weren't. sharing everything online or seeing everything being shared online.
Right. think it's just another thing like this traumatic thing happened to me.
I'm going to share it online because that's what we do.
And I don't think they... I hope that they didn't think farther than their own nose there and just weren't thinking of the fact that this is... someone's life and this is someone's family member this is someone's friend yeah you know see i definitely like i think in the beginning of it i would hope it's ignorance And I think it definitely was, but then it got to the point where they were asked to take the video down and they were refusing.
Okay. And that's just, so that's, that's just fucked up.
Yeah. That's fucked up. Well, so their brain isn't even fully developed yet to speak like in that rational logic way.
But also like... If they didn't take it down, I'm thinking of like obviously getting that shock value, getting followers, getting attention and all of that.
And it's like, you almost begin to crave that more than the ethical side, especially when you're 16.
Because that's just an important thing to you.
Right, right. Exactly. No, I totally agree with that.
And you're right. It did go viral, like super, super viral.
Yeah. And actually TikTok like itself, like they asked like TikTok to take it down.
And TikTok said they couldn't really do anything about it because technically it didn't violate any of their guidelines. which is a load of BS because there's so many like plus size models that I find. on TikTok and their videos get taken down all the time for violating guidelines. when other creators don't get taken down for wearing the exact same things. and then this is two people's bodies that we're finding, like dead bodies, and that doesn't violate your guidelines.
That's so messed up. It drives me nuts. TikTok drives me nuts sometimes.
I bet. I see it all the time with some of my favorite creators like you, where all of a sudden they'll put up a video and be like, well, this got taken down three times and I'm not really sure why.
And it's always something completely innocuous that you're like, Why did that get taken down?
There's nothing in that at all. And then that doesn't?
What is the standard here? Right. I once had a video sorry educating like my daughter on like uh like different types of families, like adopted families, gay families, all of this.
And it got taken down. And I'm like... What?
What does that violate? What does that violate?
What does that violate? it's like that should be shared widely i don't understand like what what thank you yeah that's That's wild to me.
I can't. It's so ridiculous. Like, I follow Remy Bader and she's, like, a very body positive, like, girl that, like, she's an influencer.
And her videos will get taken down sometimes where she's trying on clothes and it's like, She's not being inappropriate at all.
It's so weird. I don't think there's an actual standard.
I feel like there's some kind of weird picky choosy thing.
I think so too. Yeah, absolutely. It's like whoever's working that day.
Yeah, exactly. If Susan is working, your videos are getting taken down.
Whatever mood they're in. Yeah, exactly.
Literally. So, like I said, load of BS, and the family of the victims continued to ask that the video be taken down, and finally it was.
But at that point it had been viewed over 30 million times.
Wow. So that's ridiculous. And nobody actually knows if it was the creator that ended up taking it down or if it was TikTok themselves.
That's still something that Nobody really knows what happened.
That's interesting. Yeah. Now, before the video was taken down, Jessica's aunt, Gina, who is like, really prominent in this investigation.
And she's like very vocal and has been very vocal throughout the whole thing.
She organized a GoFundMe that was originally set up for reward money, like before they had known the person that was involved in this.
And she posted to the GoFundMe, TikTok should have pulled the video down the moment it was confirmed that it was human remains.
They should have pulled it the minute Jesse and Austin's names were leaked to the public.
They should have pulled it the moment the family asked them to.
Countless times. If possible, if you two could please ask TikTok or the creator.
She used his name, but I'm not going to just because I think he's like younger.
If you can please ask TikTok or the creator himself to please remove the video off their website, I'd greatly appreciate it.
These were real people. Both TikTok and the creator got their celebrity status.
Now please have some respect for human life already.
Their parents are going through enough. Yeah, I mean, that shouldn't even be a thing that she has to, like, plead to have that taken down.
I feel like it says so much about this generation as a whole that that even has to be put out somewhere.
And where social media is as a... where we are right now that it's like she had to make a like a desperate plea to get that taken down yeah it's sad Yeah, it is.
It really is. So The King County Medical Examiner was able to determine that Austin had actually been shot once in the torso and that was how he died.
And again, he was believed to have been killed on June 9th.
Now Jessica was determined to have been killed the same night as well. but she suffered seven gunshot wounds.
Wow. Now, I saw both of them were also determined to have been beaten before they were killed.
And some people theorize... Because, again, nobody knows exactly who was involved with this.
They have one man that 100%, in my opinion, did this. but they do think he had help.
So one theory is that Jessica was killed first and maybe was being like tortured in front of Austin.
And that's why there's such a difference in the manner that they were killed.
That's horrific. It's terrible. So from what I've heard, especially you guys in other episodes, That's personal then, right?
Like having that beating and then being shot that many times.
It seems like it. I would think so. Personal or at least motivated by, in my opinion, money.
I was going to say trying to get something out of Austin, probably.
I think there definitely must have been like something that was. in there in the person who did this opinion like stolen from them.
Yeah. I think. Or a punishment for Austin.
Yeah. Because it's like the person he loves.
Exactly. Like I said, I mean, they were together for eight years.
Yeah, they were so in love. I think that is gut-wrenching.
It's so sad. And Kathy Taylor, the forensic anthropologist, looked over the autopsy report herself.
And that's when she said that this was likely with the aid of other people.
Now the reason she believed that to be true was because the cuts made to the bodies were disorganized And it was clear that the cuts had been made using different tools and in different manners.
Oh, okay. That's interesting. Which is definitely interesting.
But then it's like I've seen cases like, again, that we've covered. where different tools are used because this is so terrible, but you know, maybe a blade gets dull or maybe they, Or one works in some way and doesn't work in another way or breaks or...
Exactly. So it's like, yeah, maybe other people were involved, or maybe this was the person we think it was, and he just had to use... different tools to do this wow didn't have to but did use different tools to use this well and shooting is also a really like a Sounds terrible, but it's like a quick method of dispatching someone and disarming someone.
So it's not like they were stabbed or something else or like that would take more than one person.
You know what I mean? That like indicates more than one people.
Like when... Shooting, it can more go towards one person because you can easily... disable someone quickly with one shot i can see that and i have a quote later on from a person involved that we'll see it does it I just don't think multiple people were involved.
But I just don't. I'm not totally sold, but... where I'm at right now in the research process with this whole thing and like from what we know I do think it was either solely this guy and like maybe he had one person that helped.
Okay. But before we get to that, we'll finish this part of it.
It was believed that they were killed and dismembered inside because there was a lack of insects. on the body, but there were also some strange findings.
There was grass found inside of Jessica's And there were animal feathers found on the bodies.
What? Huh. Animal feathers. Animal feathers.
Do they know what kind of animal? No. They weren't, I don't think they were able to determine exactly what kind of animal, but Michael fucking Dudley had chickens on the property.
I would say that's pretty interesting. And some internet sleuthing done by a YouTube channel called Popular Crime.
They actually got all of the affidavits and everything put together.
I couldn't find them anywhere, so I don't know how they got them, but I'm like, thank you for getting those. because that was so fucking helpful and I actually found them through one of our favorite YouTubers Stephanie Harlow Oh I love her.
Who also did a video on this. Shout out to her.
Go check out her video. But Popular Crime found out that Michael Dudley actually at one point in time was using Airbnb be to rent out Jessica and Austin's room before they lived there.
And a guest who stayed in their particular room was the one to point out that, yeah, he did have chickens on the property.
And once a chicken had actually gotten into their room through an open window.
I was going to ask that if they entered the house at all.
So I like... Yeah, I guess it makes sense that there would have been feathers inside of that house and apparently particular room.
Like, can chickens jump like that? I think they fly like a little bit.
Do chickens fly? Can we confirm? I think if they like...
I'm like, I think if they bounce, I don't know.
Like, I think if they get a little bit of leverage, they can tune up in the air a little bit. eat themselves through the window yeah just eat themselves through a window but either way chicken got in there my dudes I don't know how That's wild.
So I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility that the feathers got onto the bodies while they were being dismembered inside of the house.
Yeah. And if it was, I don't know if there's a basement in that house or anything like that.
Okay, because I was going to say if there's another room in that house, that chicken's could have gone that it's easier to access.
Yep. Maybe. Or even just think of like, maybe this guy went out and fed his chickens and like, had to wrangle them up.
I don't know if you wrangle chickens, I guess you do.
But maybe he had feathers on his clothes or something, you know?
Yeah, you don't know. And trailed them in.
I don't know. I don't have chickens, so I don't know.
Anything's a possibility here because I don't have chickens.
When chickens are involved, anything is possible.
It's true. Including double yoked eggs, which are some of the yummiest eggs.
Yeah, and they're good luck. Just putting that out there.
Yeah, so investigators were finally able to obtain a search warrant of the home on Obwom Boulevard on August 19, 2020.
So it did take a while, but search warrants do.
They found bullet holes in the walls and in a nightstand and blood in Jessica and Austin's room.
So all the bullet holes and the blood and everything was found in that specific room.
They had also found that the room had a fresh coat of paint.
That's interesting. Very interesting. They also, while they were there, found a nine-millimeter handgun in Dudley's truck, I believe.
Okay. So he was being questioned and he told the investigators he knew that the blood was from Jessica cutting herself earlier.
But other than that information, he was like, yeah, I don't know how those bullet holes got there because, you know, like. bullet holes just randomly form in our houses sometimes and we don't know how they get there. going to say that's not one of those things that you're like, yeah, you know, there's just like a hole in the wall and maybe like an a mouse made it or maybe we bumped into it.
It's like, yeah, I don't know how that bullet hole got there.
Yeah, it's like so crazy. My kids were playing. the other day and a bullet hole happened a bullet hole just materialized it's like a wormhole it's like like that doesn't happen to everyone Yeah.
Like what? You guys don't get ran over without a gun or a bullet?
He's like, I actually wanted some advice from you guys on like how to figure this out.
Do I just putty over that or is it going to come back?
Is it like one of those stains that won't go away?
What is this? It's also like, who do you think you're talking to, sir?
This is the police. They know that bullet holes don't randomly just fucking occur.
I would hope so. And they were less than satisfied with his answers.
He also had stated that the couple had locked him out of the house twice that day.
So I think they were like, oh, cool. Now you're just giving it up to us that you had motive to do this somewhat.
Yeah, right. So he was immediately arrested for the murders.
Wow. Now I'm assuming they had some other stuff, but Like I said, this is still ongoing, so I think there is some stuff that's available to the public and I think there's other things that are kind of being kept under wraps right now. maybe because they do think other people were involved.
It's smart. So three nights after Dudley's arrest, And this is where I get to the point where I'm like, are other people involved?
Three nights after he got arrested, three people were arrested because they were reported to be trespassing on his property.
The police got there while they were in the middle of trying to tow a car away.
Yeah, that's sus. That's so sus. You're being suspicious.
Yeah, like, don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious while we tow this car off of a murderer's property or alleged murderer.
I couldn't find any information about who these people were other than there was two men and one woman who was arrested.
I couldn't find anything about the type of car that they were trying to tow away.
But it does make you wonder about something we heard about earlier about those allegedly stolen vehicles that people were saying Austin had stolen and brought onto the property.
That makes a lot of sense. Because it's like, was somebody trying to get their stolen car back without involving the police?
Or, on the other hand, was it somebody trying to help out Michael Dudley because they knew that maybe there was evidence in a certain car?
That's what I'm wondering, but then I'm like, did the police not search the cars on the property?
Yeah, it's strange. But maybe they didn't.
I don't know. Well, maybe they only had, because I think that's the other thing that I was wondering, because I know they got a search warrant for the house, but then I believe that nine minutes, millimeter handgun was found in his truck and I think you usually need separate warrants for like vehicles and like a house, I would assume that they have searched these cards already.
Or maybe it was one of those things where They had a search warrant for that, his house and his car.
But then when they showed up, there was other cars on the property and they didn't have warrants for those particular cars.
I'm not sure. I don't know if it would be because it's on the property that it would be... contained in this whole thing, especially with like murder charges and the fact that he's being arrested on murder charges.
Right. And then the other thing was, like I said, you couldn't find anything about whose car this was.
I don't know who it was registered to. Mm-hmm.
It was just that these three people, like again, not even named, were in the middle of towing a car.
Just towing a car. On his property. And we still don't know, like, whose it is?
No, still don't know, which is weird. And there's a lot of random people involved in this case, and those last three are not the only ones.
Because later in the investigation, police were able to speak with a woman who actually moved into Jessica and Austin's room the night that they were presumably killed i'm sorry what moved into that particular room the night that they were killed like What?
With a bullet hole. Okay. In the wall. Yes.
Oh, it gets crazier. What? It gets crazier.
So she was taken to the house by another friend who I believe put her into contact with Michael Dudley.
Now, Michael Dudley, I think, takes in people, but I don't think he does it out of the kindness of his own heart.
I think he does it so he puts them in a position where they owe him something kind of thing.
Wow. So this woman was going to be staying there.
She moved in her things and then she hopped in the shower.
And I guess before she got... Excuse me.
She got in the shower before she ever saw the room.
So she showered and then she walked into what was supposed to be her room.
The story's so weird. And it only gets weirder right here.
There was a pile of clothes in the middle of the floor that was her floor at this point.
And she said there appeared to be some kind of figure laying beneath them and she saw a hand sticking out of the pile.
No. Nope. nope yeah at that point wouldn't you just be like like get the fuck out of here I'm out.
So I think she had already been dropped off by that point.
And it doesn't sound like she had a way to get out of there unless she asked him to leave.
So then it's like... What do you say to this man to get yourself out of there other than like, hey, I think there might be a dead fucking body in my room.
What? Like, you want to tell me about that?
Now, when she got there, she told police that she noticed earlier in the evening before she saw the body in her room. that his glasses were broken and that he had multiple what she called defense wounds and scratches all over his body.
Oh. Now, when she asked Dudley what the fuck was up, he told her, oh, I'm gonna clean up the room, but, um...
Can I actually just take you somewhere else?
Like you have anywhere else you could go while I get this finished for you?
As if that wouldn't be something he would do in the first place?
Right. Like, what? Now, she was like... I agreed because I needed to get the fuck out of there.
But that... That she agreed and he was like, hang on one sec.
I just have to like do something really quick. and she saw him laying out huge sheets of plastic in the basement before they left.
She apparently jokingly asked him what had happened, and his response was this.
Let's put it this way. His gun misfired.
Mine didn't. What? I also have no idea if she ended up going back there and like staying in the house after seeing a hand, a potential dead body and hearing this man say to you that he essentially killed someone.
And what do you do in that situation? Like you said, she's in a real bad situation.
What does she do? Because you can't just run out the door.
He's going to chase you. Right. If he's a murderer, this is bad.
And then it's like if you don't come back, is he then going to come hunt you down?
Because now he knows that you know he did something.
And if you don't have somewhere else to go...
What are you supposed to... What do you do?
That's... Like I would just be like, oh, cool.
You know, like fun. It's so fun to go run to the grocery store and never come back.
And literally never come back. Right. Now, another witness who is also left unnamed in this affidavit. used to use one of the rooms in Dudley's house as like a storage kind of area and she had met Jessica in Austin on multiple occasions and And when she asked Dudley where they were, he allegedly told her, you're not going to have to worry about them anymore.
Nice. Wow, he's really being conspicuous here.
Don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious.
Wow. Like what an idiot. Seriously. Like you're just telling everybody.
What an idiot. Those are the kind of dudes, though, or kind of people in general that think that they're above it all, and they think everyone around them is so stupid. that no one's going to catch on.
That's actually like what Stephanie Harlow was saying.
She was like, I don't know if he just thought he was like, gonna get away with this like if he's some kind of narcissist and he was like nothing's ever gonna happen to me probably and it It seems as though he is because in a second we're going to get into his past and you're going to be like, what the actual fuck?
Oh, go ahead. No, I was just going to say the first thing that came to my mind even earlier was is like he's a narcissist just for even like how he was talking to the cops like you think yeah right he thinks he's gonna get away with it because he's like some god complex or whatever.
Because he's like, no one's as smart as I am.
Right. I'm sure I can say, I don't know where those bullet holes came from.
And they'll just take that at face value.
Because I'm so trustworthy. It's ridiculous.
No, sir. Now, before that woman who was like, he said, like, you're not going to have to worry about them anymore.
Before she asked, she also said that she saw garbage bags in the back of his truck that smelled foul.
And then on a completely separate occasion, he had asked her if she would drive a U-Haul to Portland for him.
And she was like, I don't know what she said.
The answer is always no. Don't drive anything.
Absolutely no. But she found out that the U-Haul allegedly had Austin's belongings inside of it.
And the plan, quote unquote, never materialized.
Air bunnies, air bunnies. So they just never got around to doing that, but.
I feel like she knows a little bit more than she's saying.
Seems like it. Seems a little suspicious.
Yeah. So now let's look into Michael Lee Dudley's past.
This is where if If you have made it this far, I'm just going to remind you again, trigger warning, trigger warning.
We're going to talk about sexual abuse and a lot of other terrible things.
Cool. So... We're really dealing with a monster here.
This guy's rap sheet includes a conviction for carrying a concealed weapon in a vehicle. multiple vehicle thefts, a DUI in Oregon, And a VUSCA felony, which is violation of a uniform controlled substance.
Oh, okay. And people closest to him have said some very terrifying things as well.
His ex-girlfriend, I believe you say her name is Meryl Gordon.
She said that she couldn't believe that he would do something this evil, but she did say there was an altercation where he quote, started to hit me and grab my hair out of my head he threw me onto the floor and hit my head into the hardwood floor Then he threw me and my stuff on his patio out the door and came and hit my head on the patio.
Oh my god. Wow. That poor woman. I can't even imagine.
And she said, horrific. She was like, I can't believe I'm the person saying that.
I can't believe he would do something like, murder somebody I was gonna say that but she was like I just couldn't even believe he would do that even after everything that I went through I mean who would ever picture someone that they were like in a relationship with at some point could be capable of that even if they are like a monster in your relationship.
Right. You always hope. You're never thinking that they're going to turn into a brutal murderer.
Right. And you would hope that they didn't.
Now, that night obviously left him with another charge to add to his rap sheet, which was assault.
Now, in June of 2018, Michael Dudley's own daughter filed a sexual assault restraining order against him.
Oh, my God. This gets really dark, just so you guys know.
The report stated that he sexually assaulted her over a period of nine years.
And that it started when she was 10 and didn't end until she was 18.
She told police that he had drugged her on multiple occasions and raped her multiple times.
Oh my god. She was forced to share a bed with him and forced to watch him watch pornographic material.
Oh, my God. among other things. She went on to say that he took out his gun on multiple occasions while this was all happening to threaten her into staying quiet.
And she said even now she was afraid to leave her house to go to work.
Like she was afraid to go anywhere. Michael Lee Dudley didn't face a single charge for this because his daughter was told she should have filed the report as a domestic fraud. violence report instead of a sexual assault report oh fuck off fuck no Fuck off.
Like, why would you not just say, like, here's the paper to do that instead?
We'll just put it onto a different fucking paper for you.
That is so sad how they failed her. Like hugely.
There's not even a word for the way that they failed her.
Right. Well, they failed her. And then on top of not following through with that, you have no idea...
The repercussions, right? This would have happened and they just failed a lot of people.
The system fails a lot of people. It's so sad.
I just can't imagine going through that and then finally...
Getting up the courage to go and get the restraining order, that's scary in and of itself because people don't follow.
You don't know what's going to happen. And then to have law enforcement look at you and be like, yeah, you didn't file that the right way, so we can't do anything.
I'm sorry, what? How can you not do anything about that?
And that's the thing. And the courage it took for her to just file that and to just do that.
Right. Right. And to have it just shot down in her face like that is wow.
And then it makes you not want to obviously like go through that process again, because like we said, to even get yourself there.
Then it's like, do you even want to go through that again?
Cause you're thinking the same thing might happen.
You've lost trust in the system. Right. Right.
Like, if they can't protect you who can like I can't imagine that feeling and then that's your father like that's your own father oh that's the thing The amount of times this poor girl was failed by just everybody.
Yeah, the person who's supposed to protect you.
Whenever parents do that kind of stuff to kids, it's like so fucked up.
Those are the people that are supposed to protect you and keep you safe.
Those are the people who you're supposed to be able to go to when... things are scary in the world.
So it's like when they're the scary ones in the world, it's like, I can't imagine that feeling.
No. So sad. Now, Gina. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
No, I was just going to ask, was there other siblings?
Did you say that? I couldn't find if there was or not.
I just saw that the daughter had said that that happened.
Okay. Now, Gina, Jessica's aunt, who I had mentioned earlier, she later said that all of these allegations made against Dudley by his own daughter She told police, this is a direct quote, Sometimes he would break their car so they couldn't leave.
He put trackers on people's cars. Anytime he ever got into a dispute with anybody, he would tell them to leave but try to keep them in the house.
He's a monster. He's so scary. This is an animal cruelty warning as well.
She also told police that he had killed a dog in front of Austin and Jessica to scare them. and then left the body of the dog in front of the house so that they couldn't leave she said this is terrible terrible terrible He beat this dog to death with a hammer because it got one of his chickens.
He just left it out there for the other dogs to look at and sniff.
He's a freaking psycho. My God. Dude, like, I just don't understand how this man did all of this and was just walking around.
I was going to say, I don't understand how he was not put away for something earlier.
How he was able to get to this point to be able to do something like this.
A psycho to say the absolute least. Wow.
So in court, Dudley was charged with two counts of second degree murder.
Like I said, he hasn't gone to trial yet, but his bail was set at $5 million.
And in March of this year, though... His defense attorneys, Bradley Barshies, I believe is how you say it, and Harry Steinmetz requested that the bill be reduced to $500,000. so that he could get out of jail and be put on electronic detention at home.
They said that he was being treated so unfairly I'm sorry.
What? Are we supposed to treat you fairly?
No. Jesus. And he said that or his defense attorney said that the state of Washington still hadn't finished gathering the evidence against him. so that should be reason enough.
Eleven people wrote letters to the judge vouching for Dudley.
But I can't really imagine that the judge cares how popular you are as a human when you're on... file for two murders yeah i don't that's gonna help you out and but they were trying to paint him as like this amazing man he had gone to California and helped people put out wildfires and stuff like that, but it's like,
Yeah, people tend to do those things to try to cover up what a terrible fucking person they are. wow right Jessica Gina's excuse me Jessica's Aunt Gina again said she was there at the hearing over the bail and she told the judge she was worried about him getting out for multiple reasons.
One of which was that, again, they believed he didn't act alone, but nobody else is in custody yet.
So it's like. what? Like he could just link up with those people.
Yeah. She also pointed out that his own family tried to sell his home for money while he was in jail so that they could pay for the bail.
But obviously they can't do that because it's like an active...
Crime scene. Crime scene, exactly. And she also said that she was contacted by somebody who was unnamed. who was so terrified that if Michael Dudley got out of jail, he would directly come to that person and kill them.
And it's just at this point, it's like I see no reason why he should be.
No. Like there's no valid reason that he should just be allowed to leave.
He should be in jail for the rest of his life regardless of whether he did these murders, which obviously at this point we know he fucking did.
But simply because of what he did to his daughter and his ex-girlfriend and a dog, it's like, Wow.
This guy does not need to be out on the streets.
No, he definitely doesn't. Wait, wait. Sorry, go ahead.
Please tell me he didn't get out on bail.
No, he didn't. The judge denied the request to lower the.
It stayed at $5 million. So he's still, nobody's going to be paying $5 million for him to get out of jail, I hope.
Oh God, I hope not. He was arraigned on September 8th of 2020, and he pleaded not guilty to the two charges of second degree murder.
Now his trial was supposed to take place on October 1st, but it did not, and I haven't found any update past the arraignment.
But I know that trials can be pushed off like a ton of times.
And especially with COVID and everything, I'm sure.
It's literally everything in the world. And then again, like, we said they were still trying to gather evidence against him.
So I think that obviously has something to do with it.
But just to wrap this up, it's really important to both of these families that Jessica and Austin were known for who they were in life instead of how they were murdered.
So as always, I just want to end it on a quote from the family.
I have two. Jessica's aunt Gina said, I don't want them to be remembered in a violent way.
I want them to be remembered for their humanity and their kindness.
She said Jessica was a beautiful ray of sunshine and she was a very thoughtful person to others. and austin's mother said he had faith a big heart and loved the outdoors country music campfires trucks dogs jessica and his family oh i just got goosebumps i know that's so sad man so we're definitely gonna have to update this as soon as anything happens in the trial and I'm so so hoping that Number one, they find out if other people were involved and get them arrested ASAP Rocky.
And also hope that he gets put in jail, also ASAP Rocky, in prison forever.
I know. Let's hope the right guy is being convicted and that he is convicted.
Seriously. Yeah, we can only hope so. I mean, it definitely sounds it.
What do you guys think about the other people involved?
Alayna, you go first. What do you think?
I mean, honestly, it sounds, of course, it's always probable that there's more people involved and it's always probable because more people makes a crime easier right but it also makes it harder because more people can't keep their mouth shut like More people is going to be messier.
And the way it was done... He definitely could have done it himself because you incapacitate two people with a gunshot.
That's easy to do. Yep. especially in a room if you're sneaking up on them in a room just opening the door and doing it and he was known to like lock people and He's known to trap people in there.
It's his house. He knows it. He knows it like the back of his hand.
They don't. He's got a lot of areas that he can take them.
He's got a lot of, I think it might just be him.
I don't know if more people involved in the actual act.
Maybe more people were involved in the planning or the- The leading up to.
Or knowing about it, but I feel like- It might just be one person in the act.
That's pretty much what I think. What do you think, Corey?
I definitely think the same. I think just because of how evil this man is.
Seriously. what I thought is like, okay, so yeah, I think he did it himself and all of that, but like maybe he had some threats to other people that like, they owed him something or they were just like terrified of him or like they, I don't know, took the car or something or tried to, they'll clean up in some way.
Like I think, I think he was just an evil person and got other people involved somehow.
Yeah. Because there's definitely something to those people towing that car off the property.
Yeah. They were doing that for a long time.
And so soon after he was arrested, it just, it's strange.
It feels like there might be a string of just mess. behind this that is 100 that is going to have to be unraveled and maybe being unraveled right now and that's why it's It's probably taking a little while because it's probably a web that they're going to have to untangle of what's going on.
So that is the case of the TikTok suitcase murders.
Wow. That's rough. That was a rough one.
Yeah, it was really tough. Hopefully everybody got my trigger warnings in time and was able to skip ahead.
I think so. It was a doozy to research.
I was like, I had to walk away from it multiple times.
Yeah. This is tough. There's so many layers to that one.
Yeah, there really is. Especially with it still ongoing.
I know. I know. Seriously. That's the thing because this could be ongoing for a while.
I think it might be. Yeah. Especially where there's like It was supposed to happen in October, the trial, and then you haven't heard anything.
I feel like maybe they got some new information or. found some new evidence that they're working through so yeah i think we'll We'll definitely keep this on our radar.
Oh, yeah, for sure. And you know what? If you see that video, don't share it. yeah like just just don't share it yeah don't share that video because the family does not want that video out there and it's really shitty that people aren't listening to that yeah just listen to the family That's all you need to listen to.
Just have some decency, like respect. Just some human basic respect.
I know it's really hard these days, but really try to pull that good side of you up.
It's a visual of the crime. Once you know what is happening, that's... their family members in those bags you don't need to see that that's a lot not for you to see no definitely not But thank you so much for coming on and doing this with us, doing this sad, sad case with us.
Thank you. Seriously, it was an honor to be here despite how... dark cases can be you are welcome back anytime because this was so much fun you're gonna have to come back because we'll have to update yeah Once we get the update, I need to come back on this one because I'm invested now.
And yeah. We're in this together. We're all in this together.
We'll start our own task force. I can't talk today.
I mean, I can't talk any day. I'm so here for it.
So yeah, I love it. And plug anything that you have like upcoming or anything you want to plug at all.
I'm not that cool. I don't have cool things coming up.
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I don't know. You won't. I can vouch. As a fellow parent, I can vouch.
If you're a true weirdo, you're definitely in for this.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. But yeah, I appreciate you guys having me on so much.
It's been so fun and amazing. So thank you.
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No. Or share that video. Don't keep it so weird that you keep sharing that video.
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