Episode 236: Lake Lanier | Morbid

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Hello, welcome to Morbid. It's Memorial Day, Morbid.

It is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's a holiday.

Yeah. It's this holiday. It is. It's the holiday that's here.

Not today, but like this weekend. It's the holiday weekend.

It's the holiday season, except it's not.

Say holiday again. Say crack again. Do it.

It's morbid at night, which means it's weird.

It's weird and it's a little different because Elena and I said, well, all these people are probably going to be celebrating out by the way. water yeah going to some lakes put it on some suntan lotion you know like getting excited to get a nice you know, glow, I guess.

Soaking in that vitamin D. And then just jump into the lake where everything's usually fine, right?

Lakes. Lakes are so peaceful. Lake houses, lake boats.

Lake docks. All those things on lakes. It sounds like you really know a lot about lakes.

I do. I'm often at a lake. Well, honey.

We are going to be covering Lake Lanier, which is in Georgia.

Jaja. Jaja. So what's up, Jaja? I hope none of you are on Lake Lanier this weekend because...

You're going to want to leave after this episode.

We're going to scare you away from it. You're really going to scare you away from it.

Yeah, I think we decided this week was going to be like weird, spooky Bodies of Water week.

Yeah. I don't know. There's no real reason for it.

We tied it to a holiday weekend, but I don't know if it really makes sense.

And you know what? I have to mention this too before we start.

So I had already decided that I was going to do this episode.

A girl I went to high school with that I was like friendly with. posted on her Instagram story like all about Lake Lanier.

And I was like, oh my God, like I messaged her and I was like, I have to cover this.

And she was like, I thought of you. Why have you not?

Which is so funny. So I decided I was going to do it.

I kind of started it and then I was just like, you know, in my research process.

And somebody on Twitter was like, hey, like you guys should consider doing an episode on Lake Lanier.

And I was like, are you in my brain? Like, it's a science.

So weird. I feel like that happens a lot.

It does happen a lot. I'll be thinking of doing an episode.

As I'm thinking about it, somebody will suggest it in the inbox or in, like, Twitter or something, and I'm like, in Twitter.

And... She's a geriatric millennial. The old, just said in Twitter.

You're showing your geriatricacy. Whatever, man.

Whatever. But it happens a lot. So I feel like that's just because... our listeners and us are so connected we're just on the same wavelength yeah i feel like We're always vibing together.

I feel like we're just one. We're on the same Lake Lanier wavelength.

We're all together as one. And we just also wanted to point out that the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell news.

Whoa, holy shit. We, Ash is definitely going to be doing an update because she covered that case so well.

Yes. And so we'll be doing an update on that for sure.

So don't worry, it's definitely coming. We've just been watching it play out.

Exactly. We initially, when they found the bodies on... the property, we were like, oh, we have to.

But then we were like, then I wanted to see what was going to happen.

So we weren't just constantly doing an update episode.

We figured we'd just get it all done at once.

Yeah. So we'll be doing that. So you know what?

Maybe you can. I mean, I'm not promising anything because I don't like to do that, but.

Maybe you'll get a bonus episode next week.

Yeah, there you go. It could happen. I don't know.

I don't know. All right. Let's all sit tight and see what's happening.

Yeah, hold on to your butts. Hold on to those butts.

But what I do know is that you're getting an episode today.

So are you like ready to get into this? I'm ready.

I have my floaties. I feel like I just went back to full cheerleader.

Are you ready to get into this? Okay. No, I have my floaties on.

I have like the white sunscreen on my nose.

Do you have, oh my God, the other day we went swimming and Elena was with me.

It just made me think of this Drew's gonna fucking kill me for telling this story.

I love it. He has one of those, like, nose pinchers.

Because he, I think he, like... I don't know if he, like, learned to swim with his, like, like, closing his nose.

He always has to hold his nose when he goes underwater.

So he was like, instead of holding it, this thing does it for me.

And I was like, that's genius. But then he jumped into the water and I'm pretty sure it fell off.

Well, you know what else fell off when somebody jumped in the water?

Hold on. Okay. Literally, so John was so excited to jump into the water.

It was the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life.

Him and Drew jumped at the same time and they each lost something because John is mid-air cannonball and I'm like...

Why does he have his glasses on? His full ass glasses.

But it was like far too late to tell him.

And he hit the water. And then he surfaced and Ash said, funny, you just jumped in there with your water and with your glasses.

I was like, why did you do that? And he was like, oh, shit.

And they had to dive down and get them. But he was that excited. excited to just jump in a body of water it was so very funny it was really cute yeah I liked seeing them like bro out and jump in a pool together.

They are the cutest. It was very cute. Let me just tell you.

I like that we found people that mesh well together.

Yeah, I love that. Yeah. You always want to find somebody who meshes well with your, like, best humans.

Other best human. Yeah. I'm your best human.

You're my best human. You're my best human.

No, and honestly, based on some of the people that I've dated in the past, woo wee!

Yeah, that could have gone a very different direction.

Elena has never liked a single person that I've dated.

Nope. Never have. Not one. Never have. We'll say that with full confidence.

When Drew came along, I was like, there it is.

Yeah. You guys are like best friends too.

And I'm always like, oh, okay. I love Drew.

Alrighty. I love Drew. Power of a thousand suns.

Same. All right, well, let's get into it.

Back to Lake Lanier. I always say Lanier.

I do too. I looked it up before because I knew I was going to fuck it up.

I don't know why I'm the worst. Lake Lanier is fucking wild.

Any article you read about Lake Lanier will tell you that It was a very controversial project, even from the start.

I love a controversial project. Yeah. You are a controversial project.

I am a controversial project. For years, like before they even broke ground, the U.S.

Army Corps of Engineers wanted to make a manmade lake.

There's a few reasons that they wanted to do this.

They definitely wanted to produce hydroelectric power, especially to Atlanta, which was now up and bustling.

Happen. Happening. Oh, you said hopping.

Same thing. I wasn't going to go. I wasn't even going to correct it.

It was hopping and happening. They also wanted to protect downstream areas from flooding. use the lake as a reliable water supply, and also use it as a fish and wildlife management support.

So... That was on their PowerPoint presentation that they put together.

But there was many, many things that halted this project from even beginning in the first place.

It was kind of almost like the universe was like, No!

Girl! Don't do it! Girl! That's what the universe said.

She was like, no, it's not going to go well.

The universe is out of breath. Yeah, but she is because she was yelling.

The Great Depression actually put the project on hold for a while.

But in 19... That little blip. Yeah, that'll do it.

That'll do it. That Great Depression. Always puts your plans on hold.

Really put a damper on a bunch of shit. It did, it did.

It's like, oh, we can't continue today. It's the Great Depression.

They were like, yeah, we can't spend like 47 million dollars. on making this leak because there's not $47 million even circulating right now.

It's not going to look good. But... In 1947, they did get the go-ahead to build the Beaufort Dam and then go on to create the lake.

Okay. However, there were a few problems.

The first was that Florida, Georgia, and Alabama were all arguing about the logistics of what the lake would be used for. and the requirements that it would consist of because they all had like access to this water there was like two water basins basins that met And they're all in charge of it.

I said that on purpose. I love it. Water bosses.

Water bosses. And then so they got over that.

And then once they got over that, no one was agreeing on what the lake should be named.

Oh, my God. God, they're so whiny. They are.

Everybody get along. And then there was this whole problem of that they had to clear about 57,000 acres of land.

Oh, okay. that little problem that was like like very much being used for um Farming, living, houses, fucking businesses, churches, cemeteries.

Yeah, this is going well. Yeah, I don't really understand the whole plan, but... off to a great start.

It did happen. And they finally broke ground on March 1, 1950.

And actually, more than 5,000 people attended this groundbreaking event.

And I mean like actual groundbreaking. Like literal groundbreaking.

Not like Miranda Priestly, like groundbreaking.

A little different. Like literally breaking the ground.

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And for a long time, like I said, like nobody could agree on the lake's name.

So it just went unnamed for a long time.

Ooh, I love that. And then finally they decided to name it after this like wonderful guy named Sidney Lanier.

He wrote like this awesome song called the Song of the Chattahoochee.

He was a poet, obviously a musician, And he also was a Confederate soldier. oh no so the fucking worst like sorry sydney but you're not it Now, it was also alleged that the sons of the Confederate veterans actually like asked that this lake be named after him.

Damn. And it's... Guys, what the fuck? It was troublesome from the start.

Yeah. The hindsight is 20-20. Certainly is.

But I felt like that was foresight. Bad choice.

I feel like that should have been a little bit of foresight.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think everything leading up to the lakes thing should have been foresight.

Yeah, but so far, this is just like, what are you guys... Also, man-made lakes...

I don't get it. Are weird to me. I don't get it.

They're weird to me. Drew was telling me that there's one in Massachusetts.

Yeah, there's quite a few. So it's not like an uncommon thing.

It's just strange to me. And I don't know why I feel like...

It's like, I feel like it's completely up to the earth to make legs.

I put that shit all on her shoulders. Mother Earth holds that burden for me.

You need to make lakes. That's not... But she did.

She made great legs. She made great ones.

Actually. And, you know, I think we should have just left her to it.

I think, I mean, she's proven her worth in the Making Lakes business.

And we've proven that we don't trust her apparently we've proven that we make like haunted lakes so i don't i don't know yeah i don't know yeah I think we don't listen to her a lot.

We probably should start listening to her.

Yeah, I just don't think we should have elbowed into her.

Her business. Yeah, like listen to Mother Earth and listen to Greta Thornburg.

There you go. I said her name correctly, didn't I? it is thornburg isn't it it is listen to her She knows her shit.

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My brain has been going all day. It really is.

But today, the 692 miles of Lake Lanier shoreline borders Hall, Forsyth, Josson, Gwinnett, and Lumpkin County.

And also, I think that Lumpkin is a much better name for pumpkin.

We should just call them lumpkins because they're lumpy.

It truly is. And they're umpkins. So like, why not?

I love that. Cool. Glad we're in agreement.

I love it. Now the water of Lake Lanier reaches 258 feet at its deepest.

No. And it has claimed, are you ready? 675 lives that we know of.

Guys, don't swim there. 675 lives. That's a lot.

And at least, or excuse me, over 160 of those deaths have happened in recent years since 1994.

What's happening? Authorities say also that there are at least 24 undiscovered bodies in the lake.

And for that reason, many believe Lake Lanier is haunted as fuck.

There's just 25 bodies in that lake. At least 24 undiscovered bodies in the lake.

Just chillin'. Oh no. Bitch, when we get into this, you're going to lose it.

No. So Oscarville, which is a town located in Forsyth County, was one of the main towns that was going to need to be flooded. for the birth of Lake Lanier.

Yes, you heard correctly, they were just going to flood a whole ass town.

Multiple whole ass towns, actually. oh okay yeah okay now we have to talk a little bit about the history of Oscarville because like I think it also was a warning sign to just everybody involved.

Yeah. It's located in Forsyth County, which probably sounds familiar to you if you heard our episode on Tamla Horseward.

That's the county that she was from. The county is historically known for a pretty incredibly racist past.

Yep. And in my opinion, I feel like it could have something to do with like the darkness surrounding Lake Lanier.

Yeah. Because before the lake existed, there was an immense amount of racial tension in the area.

Now, a young woman named Sleedy Mae Crow was viciously beaten, raped, and killed on September 9th, 1912.

She was found unconscious laying in the woods near Brown's Bridge and close by what would later become Lake Lanier.

Now, some reports say that at the time she regained consciousness and was able to identify her attacker. but that could not be further from the truth.

When she was found, she was found unconscious and then they brought her to the hospital and they were...

She never regained consciousness. So. that's just false reporting.

And the reason that they were false reporting is because they were trying to push a narrative that the murder was committed by the black residents of the town.

Of course. Of course. Because back then it was like terrible.

Yeah. And I just want to let you know, this is going to be very triggering, probably.

Yeah. for very much racially charged incidents about to follow.

So immediately the closest Black residents to the crime scene were taken into custody.

Of course. Yeah, that makes total sense.

Like no questions asked. They were just like, who were the nearest black people?

Which is the most fucked up thing. I just... It's so weird to me.

What? It's so weird that people like... It's weird to me that people ever were this terrible.

And then it's weird to me that people still are this terrible.

It's like I can't wrap my brain around it.

Now, one of the people taken into custody was Ernest Knox, who was a 16 year old boy at the time.

He was the one who confessed to the crime and actually named several other boys that he said were involved.

But it was later revealed that he was coerced into confessing because they mock lynched him to show him what would happen if he did not confess.

What? They mock lynched him to get him to confess.

And like probably we're like, this is what's going to happen if you don't confess.

And if you do confess, like you can avoid this.

But yeah, that's exactly what they were doing.

And as we've seen with like West Memphis three and shit, That's a thing.

Real false confessions do happen under duress.

Absolutely. You just don't know. Yeah, so they forced him to admit to a crime that I don't believe he committed at all.

That's crazy. Now, instead of standing by knowing that something terrible was probably going to happen to these young black men sitting in jail now.

Sheriff Bill Reed just decided to go home and leave one fucking deputy.

One deputy. to protect all these prisoners if an angry racist mob showed up, which we all knew was going to happen.

Which that's never happened before in history.

No. That's shocking. Ever. Yeah, they couldn't have seen that coming.

No, never. No, not at all. And actually, I guess the Sheriff Bill Reed had, like, beef with this deputy because they were running against each other in, like, an upcoming election.

Jesus. Definitely did it to be an asshole.

100%. In multiple ways. Yeah. Now, Rob Edwards was another 24-year-old Black man and he had also been implicated in the crime.

And he was in one of the cells that was guarded by that single deputy.

Now in his book called Blood at the Root, which I absolutely recommend reading, it's really good.

Patrick Phillips described what happened when the racist mob showed up at the jail that night.

He said, "...the lynching of Rob Edwards involved a very large crowd gathering outside the jail..." dragging him out of the jail, beating him with crowbars, and then dragging his body around town behind a wagon.

Then eventually his corpse is hoisted on a telegraph pole and everyone in the crowd takes turns shooting into his body.

There's very few times where I literally don't I can't even form words.

No, because it's just how the fuck do you do that to another human being who you fucking full well know did not commit this crime like you you guys all know that he didn't You're just using him as a scapegoat and all these other boys as scapegoats.

And these are young men with their entire lives ahead of them, with families who also were being intimidated at the time. in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong skin color.

Exactly. That's... Wow. Exactly. I feel like that's really...

It's terrifying. Now, Ernest Knox and Oscar Daniel, who Oscar Daniel was 17 at the time, they were publicly hanged as well, even though public hangings were illegal by that point.

Of course nothing would happen. No, of course not.

The night before the hangings happened, The blind that was built to shield people from seeing these hangings was burned down so half of the county's residents could come and see the next day.

Oh. and they did oh yeah so after sleety may's murder uh and the claim of another young, excuse me, another young woman that two black men raped her after breaking into her bedroom. white residents began just tormenting black residents in Forsyth County.

These white residents called themselves night riders, and they would ride around shooting into the homes of any black residents that were still left. in the county.

Oh, I remember reading about this with the Tamla Horsford case when I was doing the research on the background of the town.

My God. Or the county. That was... That's... I mean...

It's like that not only are these human beings that have done nothing.

They own their properties. But it's also like...

You don't know if there's like children in those homes.

They don't care. You don't care at all. They don't care.

About any of this. No. Like, that's truly outrageous.

And not only were they shooting into their homes, they were killing their farm animals to intimidate them. obviously make them lose their money.

And they did this until about 95% of the black community left the county.

And then eventually more and more people left to the point where there was only a handful of black people left and they worked on a farm.

Like for a white man, obviously, which is just so fucked.

And actually to this day, I looked it up.

And I believe the last census, the census that I looked at was 2019, I think.

And by that point, Forsyth County only has a 4.4 black population.

Because I remember it. I mean, not shocking.

Not shocking and absolutely terrible. But shocking all at the same time.

So what? The reason why that ties into Lake Lanier is that some people believe the lake was not only created for the reasons that I mentioned earlier, but also to kind of like just get rid of an incredibly dark past, just literally erase it by just submerging it in water.

Yeah. As most of Oscarville was submerged by water when the lake was made.

Only a few parts of Oscarville are actually around to this day.

But it's like you're not burying it. You're just like... adding another like weird dark layer onto it you know like you're not going to be able to get rid of that bad energy No, absolutely not.

With some water, with 250 feet of water.

Like... No, you're just adding a whole bunch of shit on top of it.

Exactly. And seep into there. It's all going to come out at some point, which we will find out.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began offering property owners money for their land, and in total it's believed about 700 families sold their land. and they got about $30 per acre, which is shit for money.

But most of them regretted selling because they realized they weren't paid enough and also they were like, you can't put a price tag on my home that has probably... My home, my memories, my...

My memories in a lot of these... A lot of it was farmland.

So these farms had been in... families for generations and generations.

Now, the first man to actually sell his property was an 81 year old man.

Which just, I'm like, you took his home and he's 81.

His name was Henry Shadburns and he sold... his 100-acre farm for $4,100.

Today that would be $45,000. Oh, my God.

For 100 acres of land. Holy shit. $45,000.

Wow. There's not even a word. Literally, I was looking up synonyms for the word steal.

And none of them felt appropriate. I was like, steal, stolen, robbed.

There's not even a word for that. Yeah, that's, I mean, wow.

100 acres for fucking $45,000. I wish, bitch.

I can't even picture 100 acres. Like I can't even visualize that.

I can't picture like five acres to be honest with you.

We get to a hundred and I'm like, so that's just a town.

I'm like, that's just a continent. what are you talking about literally I have no idea so the land that wasn't already occupied by homeowners was occupied, I think I said it earlier, by cemeteries, churches, businesses So they say that all of the bodies in the cemeteries were relocated, but a lot of people question if that's actually the truth. especially when it came to relocating bodies in unmarked graves.

That's never the truth. It's never the truth.

It's never the way. Ever, ever, ever. They never move all the bodies.

They never do it because they get tired or something.

They get tired. They get tired and they get greedy and they just want to make their lake.

They don't hydrate enough. They didn't eat lunch and they never move all the bodies.

That's always what happens. They just don't.

And especially, I hate to say this, but the ones in Unmarked Grave, it's just...

Yeah, they just don't. Yeah, they just, they don't.

They want to get home for The Voice and they just stop.

They stop moving bodies. It happens every time.

It does. I've never heard of a thing where they're like, they moved to the cemetery and...

Nothing ever happened. They got everybody in the cemetery and they put them all in marked graves and everybody was happy and no one was haunted after that.

Butterfly is the end. It's always, yeah, they said they did.

But we don't think they did. They definitely did.

I saw one article where some guy was like, they definitely did.

They could never get away with that if they didn't.

And I was like, hey. Hey, so they submerged it in a shit ton of water, so no one would really ever find out if they didn't.

And they've definitely done it. And like, you need to calm down.

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And all of the buildings left standing were either relocated or burnt down to only their concrete foundations.

Awesome. Personally, maybe I'm too much of an empath, but I feel like homes have feelings and vibes in them.

And burning them down that like burning down that many places is just like not good.

Yeah, I think, you know what, I feel you on that.

Right? I feel like it's... especially like homes that people have lived in for generations and stuff it's like they have an energy they have a they have like heartbeats of their own.

Spirits may be lingering there. I don't know.

I think I agree. I do too. Something about it.

You're like, I agree with your statement.

I'm like, I agree with you. Like, you know what?

Me too. I stand by it. Me too. I do. I do agree with me.

And so, yeah, there's... So they were burnt onto the concrete foundations and then trees were left... they were able to be left standing if they would be at least 35 inches below the full level of the lake. damn excuse me oh my god not inches 35 you know what i'm in my head i was like not 35 inches that'd be crazy So they were allowed to remain standing if they were 35 feet below the full level of the lake.

But even 35 feet is not that deep. No. I mean, I'm not swimming down there.

I was just going to say, I'm definitely not swimming in that water.

Still. But when we're talking about trees, it's like, yeah.

Yeah, it's fucked up. So apparently there's just a bunch of old ass trees. and like concrete foundations just lying deep beneath the surface.

All right, I think I might have that thing where you're, because I'm, like, terrified of dark water.

Oh, yeah. terrified yeah in deep water oh like just thinking about it i just got like that like oh It's scary because we don't know what's down there.

Thinking about fucking trees. Trees underneath me?

No, trees are above me always and forever. yeah they need to be like next to me above me not under me ever it's just a standard we personally have it's fine if you don't it's okay and like thinking about like was foundations of houses underneath me, like 35 feet under.

No. Because it just feels like they're sucking you in.

No, that's like I'm getting uncomfortable and I'm on a couch.

I know. A very comfy couch. I feel like we...

No. Yeah, no. Well, I'm canceling my trip to Lake... linear yeah we were never going i'm canceling it and i'm not swimming in that water You think that's bad?

Listen to this. In 2001, the area was going through like a lot of droughts.

There's a lot of droughts going on. And the level of the water decreased so much that the top of the old concrete stone from Looper Speedway, which was an old racetrack, were just visible chilling in the lake.

Oh, no. The stands where people used to sit and watch races.

They submerged a whole ass racetrack, my dudes.

A whole ass racetrack. Are there photos of this?

Just probably somewhere. Yeah. Like all over the place.

I gotta look it up because that is wild.

Me and Drew the other night, we were just watching YouTube videos of divers going underneath Lake Lanier.

It is the creepiest shit you will ever see in your life.

Now that's not it, my guys. Okay. The ferry system that used to be used was put out of business when the lake was made.

Oh, no. No. and divers say i don't want to play they say that as you like go deeper and deeper into the water it gets incredibly murky obviously.

Of course it does. It is the pits of hell in there.

It's literally hell. But when they have been able to find things along the floor of the lake, it's just like super fucking creepy because there's like I said, old house foundations, boats that have sunk to the bottom, and also just like Potentially invisible forces that don't want you lurking in the waters. also potentially the forces of hell that are just under there maybe ready to drag your ass down with them maybe potentially Now this like really experienced diver guy was like, I want to check this out for myself.

His name was Buck Buchanan, which I'm obsessed with.

Buck Buchanan. he said quote you reach out into the dark and you feel an arm or a leg and it doesn't move that's creepy Buck.

Yo. Buck that's more than creepy. Buck that's a crime.

That's a true crime underwater. Buck. Buck, call someone.

You feel like we got to talk to someone?

That's more than creepy. We got to mark the spot with an X?

Yeah, we got a podcast about it. What is this arm and leg that you're feeling underwater?

He said, that's creepy. That's creepy. It's a little more than that, Buck.

It's a situation. One might say that's unsettling.

And then, Mama, many of the people... who were close to drowning in the lake, they say that they feel hands around their legs pulling them underneath the water. get the fuck out of here or like they'll be like swimming like and the other thing is a lot of the drownings that have happened like happened pretty close to the Yeah, because this is a demon lake.

Because this is pale. But it's like people will say that they're like swimming and they're totally fine.

And then suddenly like they just like. all the breath comes out of their lungs and they just like can't breathe and then invisible forces pull them under.

So like, I don't know why you guys are still going.

To be honest with you. Stop swimming in this lake.

But, you know, I will play devil's advocate here so that all of you don't have to yell at me.

I'll tell you, this lake is definitely a spot where people go to party hardy.

Over 7.5 million people visit the lake each year.

I'm confused about why you're all still going.

Yeah, all 7.5 million of you that are listening right now, clearly.

Don't go there. Don't stop it. Don't go there.

Stop it. Stop liking. Georgia actually in the past years has attributed the high death rate to the number of visitors the lake attracts, obviously.

But I don't think they realize that they submerged like hell water.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I tell. But a lot of drownings or accidents have been alcohol related. and so much so that in 2013 they actually changed the blood alcohol concentration level from point, excuse me, 2.08 for operating a boat on the lake.

It used to be 0.10. And I was like, if I can crash my car at that rate, I feel like a boat is almost a little bit more dangerous.

Yeah, because you have more openness. And people aren't swimming in the road, they're swimming in the water where your boat is, you shouldn't be a 0.10 of drunkness.

That's literally a fact. You are right. That's literally in the dictionary.

It's in the thing. It's in the books. That's, yeah, I mean, it makes total sense that the amount of people that go to this lake per year and the fact that they're all, like, partying hardying yeah it's like a party lake for sure and i mean they probably make like good money now because there's like There's fucking like restaurants along the shore and there's like different places to go.

There's hotels. Yeah, of course. If you're going to a lake, guys, I know it's fun to party by a lake, but please be careful.

It's so dangerous. Bodies of water are so fucking...

Like, cool. Get fucked up on the beach. Be my guest.

But stay out of the water if you're fucked up. out of the water and you can't but it's like if you're partying on the beach i know it's fun But like you can't be sure that you're not going to go in the water.

Right. Like because you're acting a fool.

Yeah. So just don't. Don't. Don't. Listen, party girl herself, I love to party.

Like, not anymore. I'm like, we were actually just talking about how different I've become.

I'm just like an old woman. But I never partied on a lake.

No, I just feel like it's just opening up too much.

Like we just covered the smiley face deaths.

And actually that comes in here. We're opening up a lot of like just...

A lot of cans of worms can happen here. And by the way, actually, this lake was never intended to be used for recreational purposes.

I listed a whole ass group of reasons before and not once did I say...

For tubing and swimming and getting drunk and going on your boat.

I didn't say that. I never said that. So I didn't say that.

And there's also like a ton of areas that are marked with no swimming signs and people just ignore them all the time.

Yeah, I mean, the fact that an entire civilization is literally submerged underneath it should... should be like reason enough probably not to swim in there.

Yeah. Usually. I get it. I get it. Everybody wants a challenge, I suppose.

You swimming among submerged trees and people's memories and ferry boats.

Yeah. The pits of hell. Yeah. You know, you do you.

But like, be careful. Definitely be careful because a lot of weird shit goes down around this.

I'm worried about all of you. Yeah, she's a mom.

You're all her children. So a lot of weird shit goes down here. beyond the point of what i've even mentioned so far i'm concerned so let's get into one of the most famous ghost stories surrounding the area Please do.

The Lady of the Motherfucking Lake. The Lady of the Lake.

I added the motherfucking, but... But I bet she'd appreciate it.

It felt right. I don't know if she would.

Well, actually, I don't know her. I don't know her.

It was 1958, so I don't think they said motherfucker that often.

She probably felt a little repressed. Who am I to know?

Maybe she'd like it now. Yeah, actually.

Yeah. Yeah. I think she did feel repressed.

So in April of 1958. Delia Mae Parker Young and her friend Susie Roberts were driving to the Three Gables, which was a local roadhouse in Texas.

Dawsonville, Georgia. They actually like went to a gas station and left without paying.

So that's why I think she maybe felt repressed.

I was gonna say, that's pretty rebellious.

Yeah, they were rebels without a cause. Now Susie was the driver and while driving over the Lake Lanier bridge for some unknown reason, she just lost control of the car. and crashed off of the bridge, submerging the car into the lake.

Oh, yes. Now, they knew that the car had gone into the lake because of the skid marks left on the road and like on the road of the bridge but it would be 31 years before suzy's car or suzy were ever found Now, before that, in 1959, before Susie got found, a fisherman discovered remains floating along the surface of the lake. the body was like very bloated.

I mean, it had been a year at this point and really hard to identify. and they were actually unable to identify these remains or a cause of death for this particular body. but they did note that the body was missing both hands and two toes on the left foot.

What? Yeah. I don't know if it was just like probably like... the elements of hell in the bottom of the lake.

It was just hell. Elements. it was just the elements i like that it was the hell it was definitely the elements But a ton of people thought that the body could have been Susie's or Delia's.

But since they couldn't determine that to be true right then and there, the body was buried in Alta Vista Cemetery in an unmarked grave.

But a lot of locals who experienced the Lady of the Lake phenomenon speculated that the body was Delia's. because Delia had been wearing a blue dress that night.

And since the accident, cars passing on that particular bridge would see like a seemingly lost woman. wearing a blue dress, pacing up and down the area, and she was missing her hands.

Oh! What? Imagine seeing that. No. I don't want to either.

Now when Susie's car and her remains were found, they were doing construction to build a new bridge.

And that's how they ended up finding it, because they had to dredge the lake bed to install the pillars of the bridge.

And when they did that, they found a rusted car with a body sitting behind the wheel.

Not a body anymore, but you know what I mean.

And they were able to determine that it was Susie's body through dental records, I guess.

Damn. which I'm like, damn, your teeth survived that long.

I had to like double check 42 times because I was like, She didn't have teeth anymore.

But she did. Yeah, your teeth are pretty gnarly.

She didn't have a body. It was just made of...

But she had teeth. Now, but this has a happy ending because Now they were pretty sure that the body that they had found was Delia's.

And so Susie was laid to rest in the Alta Vista Cemetery as well. next to the formerly unmarked grave that was now marked Delia Mae Park.

Oh, okay, good. So at least they were able to ID.

I mean, sad. Sad, but good. And I think it makes sense, too, that Delia was the one haunting the bridge because she was the one who was discovered first and left unidentified for some reason. long yeah and she was but i mean she might have been trying to be like hey my friend's still down there exactly you gotta get her i think that's what it was oh I know.

What a bummer. I know, it's like a happy bummer, because they got reunited.

I know, and I feel like one of them was trying really hard to... to help to help their sister out they were each other's best person yeah oh my gosh All right, well, the next urban legend is that of the floating raft. which has been seen by multiple people in the lake at night.

Okay, so this one, this is how it goes. They see a shadow figure just sitting on the raft and holding a pole to steer, basically like to use the ground to like judge forward to judge forward, you know, as one does and a lantern they're holding to see in the dark. yeah that you know that sentence structure was just perfect it was and that's a very normal thing to see in the dark to me Always.

A shadow figure with a lantern and a pole shushing themselves forward on a lake.

Seems pretty chill. Except it doesn't at all.

No. Because there were two fishermen one night that saw the raft in the distance and they were out fishing at like one in the morning. yeah it was like a pretty cold i mean i don't really understand why they were fishing at one in the morning but like insomnia i guess get it It was like a cold night.

It was like, I guess in the middle of fall.

And they probably weren't really expecting to see too many other people out there doing the same thing.

I wouldn't. Me either. I wouldn't be there in the first place, but you know.

That's neither here nor there. Correct. But they spotted the man and right away they were confused because the lake, the part of the lake that they were sitting on and like he was... pretty like sitting on as well, was about 45 feet deep.

But the man in the distance wasn't seeming to have trouble using the pole to let himself forward.

I was just going to say, wait a second. And like the pole didn't seem to be 45 inches long plus.

45 plus inches long? I mean feet, god damn it.

You fucking love an inch. I do. We love the inches.

Give you a foot and you take an inch. Yeah.

That's what it's about. Can you imagine?

If he just has a 40, that's a bad joke. Dad jokes.

Can you imagine though a 45-foot pole and he's just like...

No. Fusion himself forward with it. No. At 1 a.m.

45 plus 2 because the water is just 45 deep.

Just being a shadow figure. I'm just going to not say. uh measurement units of measurement anymore just numbers 40 it was 45 just context clues you'll figure it out But yeah, he didn't seem to be having any trouble moving himself forward.

And, you know. I don't know. Then shit got crazy.

Out of nowhere. Seems suspect. Yeah. The man stood up on the raft, which seems chaotic.

And then shouted something at the Ben to further create chaos.

And then to like bring that chaos level to a hunnit, he dove into the water.

Oh, stop. Like, in their direction. It's the fall, sir.

Shut up. yelled something and then drove into the probably freezing cold water the freezing cold hell water hell water They panicked.

They were like, oh my god, what's about to happen?

But when they flashed their light back where the raft had been...

Nothing was there. Oh, I hate that. I really don't like that one.

So that'd be The Raft. I don't like that one at all.

That's... That's almost like the redheaded hitchhiker on Route 44, how it's just like...

I don't know. It just gave me that feeling of like, no, it's there.

Yeah, it's there and it's not. So why is it not now?

See, now that one, I feel like if I had to choose, like, choose your own adventure between two of those things.

I'd choose The Raft. I would choose the raft because that guy on the redheaded hitchhiker ends up in your backseat.

Yeah, that I'm not okay with. At least this guy doesn't end up on your boat, because fuck that.

No, I don't want that. Get off my boat. Get off my boat.

We're gonna need a bigger boat. Thank you for saying it.

I literally was like... we were literally just watching that thing on jaws the other day too we were as a little side, my kids got very obsessed with the idea of Jaws.

They're five, so they have not seen Jaws and they will not be seeing it.

But I think it was on the Today Show that they showed a quick little clip of Jaws because they were saying how many shark attacks have been happening.

There's been so many sightings and sightings.

Yeah. And so I think one of my, one of my twins was there and was like, what is that?

And I was like, oh, that's not real. And I was like, don't, that's a movie.

It's just about a big crazy shark. Everything's literally fine.

Yeah, I was like, don't worry, that's not how big sharks are.

And so I know them. So I found a documentary about the making of Jaws and I was like, they'll love this. it was cool fucking loved it like my two five-year-olds were so into bruce the fake shark They were all about it.

They wanted to know if Steven Spielberg went to many years of school to become a director.

They were like very excited. interested in this so i love that if your kids are scared of you know sharks or something show them behind the scenes of jaws it's fun you're gonna have to go beep When they yell shit sometimes, but like, it's fine.

It's okay. Just yell beep. They've definitely heard TT say shit before.

In fact, for some reason, I have been saying, oh, that's sexy to everything lately.

Oh, God. And one of your kids was showing me a bunch of stuffed animals that they got.

And I almost just went, oh, that's sexy.

And I was like, I can't say that at all to you.

That's wrong. You're like, no. We don't need that.

I was like, that's great. That's special.

TT's not meant to have kids anymore. TT's rocking the TT life for now.

I love it. I love it. But that was a little side tangent for you.

Go watch that behind the scenes of Jaws.

That was actually perfect, because now we're kind of getting like into some like real concrete shit.

So I needed like a little segue. Oh, good.

Okay. I'm happy to do that for you. Thank you, best human.

Yeah, we're going to get into some real concrete mystery that has gone down near and in the lake. because we're gonna talk about the disappearance of Kelly Nash.

And this is a case that has stumped people for years.

So Kelly was born, on September 15th, 1989 in Alabama to his parents, Alan and Beverly.

He had been attending Georgia Gwinnett college with hopes to become an accountant.

And at the time he was also working for his dad's construction company.

So he was just like doing the damn thing.

He's really doing the damn thing. Yes. And he also had a pretty long term girlfriend named Jessica.

They had been together for three years and they just moved into a home together around this time in Beaufort, Georgia.

But. Kelly disappeared early on the morning of January 5th, 2015, And he had disappeared not too long after he woke up, which is like, it's just like weird to me.

Yeah. Because, like, where'd you go? Right, exactly.

So he had been having a ton of sinus trouble recently. as of late and he wasn't really feeling great.

He woke up coughing and sneezing a ton. And he couldn't get back to sleep, but he didn't want to disturb his girlfriend who was asleep next to him.

He was like, she's got to get up in the morning.

So he decided to head out into the living room on the couch to play some video games.

And he was like, I'll just fall asleep there when I do.

And that way I'm not bothering her. So Jessica did end up waking up around like four and was like, Oh, Kelly's not sleeping next to me. but she heard his video games coming from the living room, so she went to check on him.

He was still there. And he explained that he wasn't feeling well.

That was shocking. I thought something different was going to happen.

I know. That's why I paused that long. He just explained to her he wasn't feeling well, couldn't sleep, yada, yada, yada.

And she was like, OK, cool. Went back to bed.

Cool. He woke up again at 730 to let the dogs out and get ready for work, I assume.

Who let the dogs out? Jessica. Jessica did.

What? Okay, a quick side note. I just found out that that's like a super like feminist song.

Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know the exact fucking explanation right now.

Well, cool. I saw it on TikTok, but it's all about feminism.

I saw it on TikTok. I did. I saw it on TikTok.

I learned a lot of shit on TikTok. Ash's favorite sentence is, I saw it on TikTok.

It absolutely is. But anyways, Kelly was not in the living room anymore at that point.

Oh no. By 7.30 he had... disappeared from the living room.

What happened? So his game was idle. So it had paused itself, I think, is what that means.

Oh, okay. It had timed out. Yeah. Like lack of activity.

It was like it was like Netflix. Are you still there?

Yeah, exactly. Everybody was like, no. And she so she noticed that that was going on.

And then she noticed that the garage door was like slightly open.

Now, Kelly's truck was still parked out front and his wallet was left behind. and I believe his cell phone was left behind as well.

What was missing, though, was his 9mm...

See, units of measurement. There it is. It's throwing you for a week.

His nine pistol. A single clip was also missing.

And in some sources, I read that his car keys were missing.

And then in others, they were left behind.

So... That one's questionable. So, choose your own adventure on that one.

Yeah. But at least, like, a lot of things that he would have needed were missing.

Yeah. Or, excuse me, were there. Yeah. Yeah. without him we're not with him and then like creepy stuff was missing, like a single clip for a pistol and a pistol.

Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. And Kelly's family was like, like freaked out obviously when he was reported missing because they were like this is not like him He had a ton going for him, and he would not have just walked up and away from his life.

I mean, you hear that all the time. His father actually said, quote, He saw what he wanted in life.

He had it figured out and was working to get there.

Strong relationships were what he wanted in life.

Kelly wasn't driven by money, but by doing things the right way.

Yeah. And it's, like, the whole thing of him getting up Because he didn't want to disturb his girlfriend's sleep because she had to wake up early the next morning.

It's like he cared about her. Yeah. He was considerate enough to do that.

It doesn't feel like someone who's ready to just walk away from that person.

No, definitely not, to me at least. So the search for Kelly included helicopters and search dogs, but they just could not find him.

There had been surveillance footage found of Kelly earlier that night at a gas station where he seemed to be acting really normal and he was actually on the phone with his girlfriend and I believe he bought some cold medicine so that was like before everything had happened yeah But they released it because it showed what he was dressed in.

He was dressed in pajama bottoms. and a dark-colored shirt, and that was also the last thing that Jessica had seen him wearing before he went missing.

And then there was also footage of someone walking by that same gas station in the early morning hours around 4.30 a.m.

The footage is like too grainy to really make out any appearances.

But strangely enough, there was also an arson that went unsolved at the gas station that same night.

Huh. So he went missing. Grainy, weird footage where they were like, I don't know if that's him.

And then there was an unsolved arson. Yeah, that's just a lot of weird stuff.

Super duper weird. Now, the body of 25-year-old Kelly Nash was found about a month later on February 8th, 2015.

A fisherman discovered him in Lake Lanier.

I know, I almost said that too. Because I'm looking at it and it's L-A-N-I-E-R.

So I want to keep saying like lanier. Yep.

That's exactly what my brain does. Lanier.

Okay, a fisherman discovered him in Lake Lanier by Shadburn ferry boat.

About two miles from his home and not far from his father Alan's home who lived on that same road.

Oh. Which I assume is actually named after that guy who sold his land earlier.

Yeah. Now, they were able to identify Kelly because he was wearing the dark shirt and the pajamas that his girlfriend said and that we had seen at the gas station.

And he also had some tattoos that were able to be used to identify him.

Now at first they didn't realize it, but upon like the medical examination, he had one single gunshot wound. rumored to be to the head, but you cannot find like concrete evidence that where of where this like no confirmation there's no confirmation of where the gunshot wound was And I have searched far and wide.

I want to see that autopsy report. I typed in Kelly autopsy.

I did it all and it did not work. And his gun that was missing from the house was never found.

While he was missing still, there were rewards of up to $50,000 for information.

And during that time, his family hired a private investigator.

But that kind of only deepened the mystery because his father said, quote, This is the problem.

We can't find anything bad that Kelly was associated with.

While we've tried, you're trying to find a starting point.

Is there something that he was doing that none of his family members would know?

This is not a young man tied up in some dark world situation. there were rumors that like it was something drug related or something like that.

But I think that's like the first thing that a lot of people would jump to.

Of course. But I think his father saying that is like, no, like he wasn't wrapped up in this stuff.

So that only... makes it more confusing like not only did we not know about him being involved in anything like that but like even digging into it We didn't find anything.

We can't even uncover stuff that he was hiding.

Right. That's crazy. Private investigators always find crazy shit, usually.

Yeah. But they did not believe that he had walked two miles in the rain on a cold night to end his life.

Though many people do believe that it was simply a suicide.

And some people say that they think he went out to... the dock that night, like, near the water and shot himself so that he would like end up in the water and there wouldn't be a big mess for anyone.

Yeah. I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility by any means.

No, of course not. Now, other people think that Jessica might know more than she's saying.

And I didn't include her last name just because I didn't want like rumors to start and everything like that.

But while searching web sleuths, actually, I found that she had been previously married to a man named Jason Baker, who died in an accident. which is just like a little bit weird, but you can't find anything about his death either.

That's interesting. for his obituary or anything like that, and you can't find anything about that.

So I'm definitely not pointing fingers here.

It's just like some people say. It's just an interesting...

Story. Exactly. But theories aside from suicide actually point to the smiley face killers.

That's true. Wow. Which is like super duper weird because we just covered that.

Very weird. But I don't really think it's fitting in this case.

Yeah, especially because I don't know if that's...

Even a real thing. I mean, I do, but it fits here.

But other people say that because the garage door obviously was open and people are like, well, maybe he heard something outside. went to investigate with his gun and ran into something nefarious along the way.

Yeah. So it's still unsolved. Yeah. That's all very, it's all very like just bizarre.

Yeah. And honestly, like I, all of the theories seem pretty plausible.

Yeah. I mean, you could definitely... every single one that was presented, you're like, all right, I guess so.

Like none of them are like, oh yeah, that's it.

You know, like all of them are just like, okay, yeah that could have happened yeah which is rare usually it's You lean towards one or none of them really fit the bill.

But this one is like, yeah, all of that makes sense.

That all kind of makes sense. But it's like just the mystery of Lake Lanier.

Yeah. That lake, man. That hellish, hellish lake.

Because no matter what... Even if it is, you know, a suicide, he went to Lake Lanier.

Yeah. You know, it's like, what is the pull there?

Why was he drawn there? Yeah. So that's creepy no matter what.

It really is. And tragic no matter what.

I was literally just going to say I'm so tragic.

We're stealing each other's words. We are because we're each other's favorite human.

Yes. So we're going to talk about another case, but this one is a murder.

And it's also unsolved. A murder. So Hannah True Love is another girl that went missing.

And she was discovered nearby Lake Lanier.

Her death was, like I said, 100% murder, but again, never solved.

She was just 16 years old when she went missing on August 24th 2012.

Oh man. a little baby. Yeah. She had last been seen hanging out with her friends at her apartment building.

She lived there with her mother They were last seen hanging out around 7.30 on August 23rd, but she was later found murdered in the woods. next to the lake the next day.

She had been stabbed multiple times. yes and they said that they weren't sure that like she died of her stab wounds but like maybe like bleeding out or something like that but oh god there was a lot of there was an issue because in the days leading up to the murder Oh, actually, hang on.

Sorry. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to the issue after.

You're like, wait a second. I put my notes the wrong way.

But in the days leading up to the murder, this is super creepy.

She was tweeting just like some very strange things.

She mentioned having a stalker in one tweet.

What? In another tweet, she said, so scared right now.

Then I went to look at her Twitter myself because it's still up and you can definitely tell that she was going through something with her friends like She was tweeting about people being fake and like, oh, you know, like I don't need you.

Like very, very like 16 year old stuff. Like very 16 year old, like going through some shit with friends.

Yeah, and definitely tweeting about a boy as well.

Again, very 16-year-old. But mixed in all those tweets were some more creepy things like, Quote, I'm gonna start driving to school again, mark my words.

It's like, why? I feel like that means something.

I'm not comfortable walking to school. And then she tweeted, I can't do this by myself. what like i can't that to me sounds like i can't protect myself Or, like, I can't handle the stress of this myself.

Situation. So this is the part that I was saying, like, unfortunately – there was a really big storm the night that Hannah went missing.

And when she was discovered, Lieutenant Dan Franklin said she was, quote, laying under submerged water for a period of time.

And so unfortunately, what that did is it washed away a great deal of our trace evidence and blood evidence.

So that's why She did have multiple stab wounds, but they weren't sure if she died of those because none of them were really life-threatening.

Yeah, and that water, man. Water really fucks up a crime scene.

It really does. As we found out last week and the week before.

Exactly. Now, there were a few reports of suspicious cars in the area of the apartment complex that night.

One was a 1990s to early 2000s four-door vehicle. believed to be either a Chevy or a Dodge with front end damage.

And the investigator said of that that they think the people in that car could have some pretty valuable information if they would just come forward. wow but so far i haven't seen anything of them coming forward But it's like, they're definitely... Things kill me.

Well, and I think they're definitely keeping something close to the chest with this investigation.

Because they're like... We know that this car was in the area and we know that the people in there have valuable information, but It's like there's way more to that.

Yeah, there has to be way more to that. Because I agree with you that I think they're just they're holding something.

And it's also confusing because it's like, well, if you knew who they were then couldn't you just like go talk to them?

Yeah. But it's like, you don't know who they are, but you know that they have valuable information.

It's just like, we have like three pieces to a hundred piece puzzle.

That's what it is. It's like, we have like the, we have three of the corner pieces yeah and nothing in between yeah like nothing to connect anything right Now, Hannah had also been seen walking behind a teenage boy who had pulled into the apartment complex with two other teen boys. in a silver car.

Now she was seen alive after that, but what was weird was that she had been walking with this boy behind the apartment, and it was the... where they ended up was not far from where she was later murdered.

Okay. Which, it's just, like, kind of weird, but... Weird, for sure.

Worth mentioning, but... Yeah. It doesn't sound like he... Yeah, like, it's not, like, the smoking gun, but...

Yeah, it's weird now her mother Mona says that her daughter was a quote funny loving compassionate child that did not deserve anything like this and And she thinks that whoever did this was someone who Hannah knew. yeah and she said she recognizes the possibility that it could be a random act but she Has a gut feeling that Hannah knew the person.

Yeah, that's stalker stuff. Stalker stuff.

And then stabbing is personal. It is. I mean, it's definitely... Obviously, like there's times where... I was going to say, that's a...

That's a tough one just because so many people stab people and don't kill them.

That is true. But I think when you connect it to the Twitter stuff... A stalker and... yeah something's a little off there definitely like there was some nefarious dealings around her And just like even, not even like the stalker stuff, but just the fact that she was clearly going through something at the time.

And like seemed to be like arguing. There was some stuff going on. with maybe a friend group or something.

I don't know. It just seems weird. It reminds me of like a Skylar Niece kind of situation.

It does. And Twitter is involved, of course.

And it's always weird to hear these cases where Twitter is a thing.

I know. We deal with a lot of cases where like social media is not a thing yet, especially Twitter.

So it's like, it's always weird when like you can go back on these tweets.

It is weird what state of mind somebody was in leading up to it.

I actually did that with the Elisa Lam case and going through her Twitter.

And like Tumblr and stuff. Oh my God, I actually just got chills because her Tumblr and her Twitter, I don't actually know if, I don't think I looked at her Tumblr, but her Twitter I looked at, and it just left me with this eerie fucking feeling i looked at hers and like she had a twitter that's crazy I looked at hers in like the middle of the night.

Hannah's I looked at like early in the morning.

So it was a little less creepy, but very.

Still creepy. Creepy. And also she was. beautiful.

Of course. Like absolutely gorgeous. Her father said that he knows that one or two people saw what happened and he wishes that they would come forward.

Oh. Now, I don't know if he means like he knows that because he's heard things.

Or he just knows like in his heart and his gut that this happened.

But he wishes they would come forward and just like say who did this to his family.

To his daughter. To scoop closure. Yeah.

Now, anyone with information regarding this case is asked to please call the Hall County Sheriff at 770-531-6885. or Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS.

I will also link that in the show notes or put that in the show notes.

Awesome. Now, bad things really, truly never seem to stop happening at Lakeland.

Yeah, because we're so good here. I'm going to give you like a couple other brief things that I found during the research process.

These aren't like super far in depth, but they are definitely worth mentioning.

They are things. A man named Jason Millen went out to fish on November 17th, 2019.

And while he was like out there fucking lining up his bait, I don't know what he said.

While he was out there, you know, fishing.

Doing that fish thing. What do they say when you're baiting the line?

Is that what it is? You're baiting that fish.

Fucking line. Yeah. That's what they say.

Worms. I don't know. I But while he was doing that, he saw something shiny underneath the surface of the water.

So he went a little closer and actually went over it with his boat, and he realized that it was a motherfucking van.

No. No. His boat was over a van. No. That's a phobia, and I forget what kind of phobia it is, but it's one I have.

Submerged objects. You should Google that while I talk. it's gonna bother me i don't want that at all i don't want that at all i don't like it at all I think I've probably mentioned this story like at least three times between this.

Are you talking about the shipwreck? absolutely and I don't even care because we get new listeners sometimes they need to know when I went I don't it's snorkeling I think in the Bermuda Triangle with Drew.

He was terrified to do it, but he did it for me.

And when we were over those shipwrecks, it was like the coolest, but the creepiest thing I've ever done in my life.

Because you feel... like you're being like like they're gonna like swallow you yeah you feel like it's gonna suck you in I don't know what it or I feel like it's gonna grab me I just I don't Yeah, you just feel like something's going to pop out of there.

It's too spooky. But when the van was in... Submechanophobia.

Submechanophobia. Yes, that's the fear of submerged man-made objects.

All right. Well, like count me in because yes, that's no, that's actually just the fear of Lake Lanier.

It literally is. That's it. Now, when the van was investigated... they found the remains of a 56-year-old man inside.

His name was Van Dobbs and he had been missing since June of 2018.

What? Yes. I guess he just like crashed his car off of the... off of like a bridge or something nearby and ended up there.

And it was a van. And his name was Van. That's weird.

I know it is super, super weird. It was a silver minivan.

Oh, that's so sad. Yeah, I know. I know.

Like people just driving off a bridge or something or like having a crash and you end up in that... hellhole no no thank you and the news reporter this is just like this is a little bit light-hearted and silly the news reporter for the segment that I watched on this, I just saw like a little news clip and he said,

When the lake level drops at Lanier, who knows what you'll find.

I was like, not a game I'm really interested in playing.

I was going to say, it's like... Everybody look out.

Check out. Maybe we'll find some more corpses. everybody look out it's like i'm actually good stay tuned for news at eight okay no thanks okay Now this blew my mind because I did not know.

I knew that this happened, but I didn't know that it happened here. usher like the the star like usher like usher like do need i explain more like Yeah.

Yeah. I was thinking more like these are my confessions.

But his stepson Kyle Glover was critically injured in July of 2012 on the lake.

Lake Lanier while he was tubing with a friend.

I remember this. Yeah. He and his friend Jordan Shep were on the inner tube when they were struck by a jet ski.

And the jet ski was driven by a family friend, Jeffrey Hubbard, who was later found guilty on charges including homicide, serious injury by vessel, reckless operation, unlawful operation of a personal watercraft and a boat traffic violation.

Yikes. Now, apparently before this all happened, he was like just being like super duper reckless on the jet ski. and just pretty much being an idiot.

His mother, Kyle Glover's mother, was on the boat and saw Jeffrey, like, zooming toward them.

So she saw this all happen and her husband dove into the water and, like, like got them.

Oh my God. But. Kyle Glover, like I said, was critically injured.

So he went to the hospital and he was there for like a week or two.

And he was like hooked up to life support.

But eventually they had to pull the plug on the life support.

That's so sad. He was declared brain dead.

I do remember this. I remember that story.

Now, Jeffrey Hubbard was actually sentenced to four years in prison for this.

Damn. And Kyle's Kyle's mother, Tamika Foster said, Kyle was the most creative genius songbird ever. both funny and handsome i'm so grateful for my time with him i can smile today oh this one that gets me I know.

I can smile today because I never missed a beat as his mother.

He knew daily that I loved him so much. Just destroy my heart.

Like ruin me. Destroy it. Now, as recently as this past Mother's Day, there was actually a boat explosion on Lake Lanier.

Oh, okay. Just a boat explosion. Last Mother's Day.

And the cause of the explosion has not been determined yet.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course it hasn't. Lake Lanier.

I was going to say, cause of explosion. Lake Lanier.

Hell. Or is it Lanier? No, linear. Okay, linear.

Okay, sorry. Because I remember when we...

Before we started the episode, I put it into Google and I put the lady's voice on slow-mo and she was like, Lake.

Lanier. Like you idiot. Because we say Lanier.

We say lanyard. I think we do like an eh.

It's lanyard. We do an eh. We do an eh. But back to this boat explosion.

There's a water park called Margaritaville on Lake Lanier.

Yeah, there is. I mean, like, hell yeah, there is.

Yeah, there is. And there's a fueling dock nearby, and that's where the boat exploded.

Now, a family on board included parents Annie and Steve and their three children.

Oh. Taylor and Gunner, who are 16 and 13 respectively, were actually airlifted to the hospital and have since been sedated so that they can get through the pain of their burns.

They are expected to recover. But oh, my God, I saw a report.

The last report on this I saw was May 10th, I believe.

And at that point, Taylor especially, she had the worst injuries and she was expected to have a to have to spend at least another week being sedated.

Because I can't imagine the pain. i can't i can't burns i can't even put my brain in that place i really can't terrible um And this is a little, this is a trigger warning.

It involves an animal. before I say this, their younger son suffered injuries and he's at home recovering now.

And unfortunately, their dog was killed in the blast.

Oh, that's so sad. There's a GoFundMe that they're Lake Family, as they're called.

Oh, stop it. They call each other their Lake Families.

I love that. The Lake family set up a GoFundMe for the medical bills, and I'm going to link that in the show notes.

If you're able to help, definitely do your best.

Yeah. I'm definitely going to. I'm just going to say I want to.

No, and I'm just going to end it here because it's a little. a little more lighthearted.

It's probably lighthearted, most lighthearted that we've got on this.

I hope so. Unreportedly catfish in the lake.

Oh shit, yeah. Whose size I have seen compared to 12-year-old children and Volkswagens.

A fish the size of a Volkswagen. No, thank you.

And also like a Volkswagen Bug, a Volkswagen Jetta, like which one?

Which one are we talking about? What the legend says.

No matter what, no matter what kind of Volkswagen.

It's not okay. Swims by me. I'm gonna be upset it's simply not okay I'm gonna be upset No, this is fucked.

And if you're a vegetarian, probably don't listen.

Or a vegan. Or you like chickens. So legend says that there was a truck in the 80s carrying live chickens and that it... crashed off the Thompson Bridge because there's all like a ton of crashes surrounding Lake Lanier.

Yeah. Now, obviously, it sunk to the bottom of the lake.

And they say that when the divers had to go check out the wreck there just to see what had happened, And like I can't even like say this without like fully panicking. there were huge ass catfish fighting over the chicken carcasses and swallowing them up in one bite.

And I'm going to post a picture of these motherfucking catfish because whoa dang.

Whoa dang. You thought catfish with Neve was something?

Honey, child, let me tell you, you ain't seen nothing yet. a Volkswagen catfish I'm very stressed out there's also There's also some fishermen willing to back that story up, and they tell stories of what they were out fishing. and they like got their line on like like one of these Volkswagen catfish bit their line and just fucking These people had their boats carried around the lake while they were trying to catch these fish.

Of course it is. Of course I did. What?

I am not well after that. I... No Volkswagen should be swimming by me in a lake.

It's just not something I need in my life.

This is like when I'm sitting here telling my five-year-olds, like, no, Bruce from Jaws isn't real.

Bruce from Jaws is so real. I'm hearing that a Volkswagen can swim by you in Lake.

And eat you up in one bite. That lake. Like maybe that's where the undiscovered bodies are.

Yeah. I think the catfish ate him. The Volkswagen fish.

I think the Volkswagens ate... The corpses.

That's not a cat. My cat weighs six pounds.

That's not a cat. Unreal. That's an elephant fish.

And people say that these catfish can also create like, I mean, this is a lake.

It's not fucking wavy. No. They can create like massive waves that have like capsized boats.

I don't like this. This is not the most lighthearted part of this.

This is the scariest part of this. it is.

As far as I'm concerned. You're correct.

I do not like I mean I've mentioned it before I'm not a big water person.

See I am. And I don't like giant things in the water.

It's not something I want to be a part of.

No, I hate that. Blake Lanier has taught me that there might be giant catfish Volkswagen 12-year-old boys. lurking below when i mean i'm not going to lake lanier but i'm gonna go to like another lake they're there There's a Volkswagen under you.

And like catfish lips are just... That's like the whiskers.

Oh, they're so... Yeah. The thought of a fucking...

12 year old boy volkswagen catfish just like they say that they drown people because they just like accidentally get in in their mouth because they're huge that's not real i don't think but I don't know, anything's possible when you fucking submerge an entire fucking multiple counties under a lake. anything is possible if you just don't believe if you just believe Anything's possible if you just travel to Lake Lanier.

I don't, this, no. I'm out. I'm out. I'm a land lover.

That's what I am. I think this is what we need to do.

I think we need to reverse it. I think we need to put our thing down.

I was just going to say, I think we need to flip it and I think we need to reverse it.

I think we need to... I think we need Missy Elliott on the scene.

Yeah. And I think... She needs to press the button and like, oh my God, I remember like when I used to watch Phineas and Ferb.

Dr. Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated he would always want to like like there was an episode where he like took all the water out of a lake and I think Somebody needs to call him.

Yeah, I think we do. I think that's that's it.

And just let's rebuild. we already have the fucking foundations i guess that guy and missy elliott together and i think we're gonna be okay I think that would make a great music video, Missy Elliott, if you're listening.

That guy, Missy Elliott, 2024. Can you say Dr. Doofenshmirtz?

Dr. Doofenshmirtz. Yes. And Missy Elliott.

I vote for them as a team. And they can do a song called Evil Incorporated.

There you go. And also work on a project of, uh, taking this lake back yeah take it back i think they can do it someone has the receipt Yeah, someone does.

Someone's got to take it for store credit.

I don't know. Someone has to. I'll take store credit.

We'll get a new one. I'll take a gift card.

I'll take nothing. Yeah. I'll just give it back to you.

I'll eat it. It's fine. Yeah. You know what I'm not going to eat is a 12-year-old boy catfish.

Guys, that was a serious, serious episode.

And it was a very... That episode ran the gamut of emotion.

It truly did, because in the beginning I was like, wow, this is heavy and I'm feeling like a lot of stress and sadness about this.

And then it just... It just waved. It was like a catfish Volkswagen wave, and it just...

It took me for a ride. It did. It did, man.

You're welcome. Like I said before, I care about you guys, so don't be stupid around bodies of water.

Yeah. Come on, man. Especially not this weekend.

Like I want all of you to live for a super long time and especially past this weekend.

Be safe. So everyone be safe. It's a holiday weekend.

Make good choices. But yeah, just make good choices.

Call me if you need me. Call us if you need us.

We're here. We might be there. We're here to help you.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're here to listen at least.

Yeah. So, wow. Thanks, Ash. You're welcome for that.

And we'll be adding to your fear of water in the next episode.

Yeah, literally tomorrow. So stay tuned.

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We hope you do. And we hope you keep it. but not so whether you get eaten by a giant catfish Volkswagen bye I love you beep beep Blah blah blah blah blah.

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[The Dark Secrets and Haunting Legends of Lake Lanier]-[Episode 236: Lake Lanier]

📋 Summary

The Haunting Depths of Lake Lanier

A Controversial Origin

A Dark Racial History

Eerie Legends and Unsolved Mysteries

Submechanophobia and "Volkswagen" Catfish

Conclusion

🎯Key Sentences

📝Key Phrases

📖 Transcript