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Hey, weirdos. I'm Alayna. And I'm Ash. And this...
It's morbid. Oh, I came to the right party this week.
You came to the right party. Okay. It's a morbid party.
Everybody be a creep now. Creep. creep creep creep creep creep Here we are.
Hey guys. We are back. We back. For part two.
David Parker Ray. I'm surprised I came back, actually.
I'm actually surprised you came back. Welcome. have like what's that um when you come back to the captor or like you start to feel bad stockholmson or not yeah Stockholm Syndrome.
I have that with you. You like captured me into this podcast.
See? And I just keep coming back for more abuse.
That's right. Forever and ever. Awesome.
Great. Well, and I want to say this week is this week is going to get worse.
Oh, good. But then it's going to get like slightly better.
And then worse again? Kind of. I'd say worse, better, and then like medium.
And then like you just have to like... move on like we're yeah we're gonna end on a note that's just like okay and then maybe next week we said that we'll do something a little lighter yeah you know how we kind of told you we'll do like a fun fucked up case like something yeah like something flowery fluffier you know we we kind of decided that we wanted we were gonna stray away from murder for a week yeah you know like um so maybe we shouldn't say so um we're from boston so we're just gonna talk take from that what you what you will Yep.
Just saying. Alright, so we're from Boston and it's almost October.
And we're going to be talking about some whimsical things.
Some magic, if you will. Some spooky whimsical thing.
All right, and that's it. So it's going to be spooky.
We're not giving you anything like... Yeah, I mean, this is a fucking morbid podcast.
When we say fluffy, we mean like how like a werewolf is fluffy.
Yeah, I like that. That's what we mean. Yeah, we don't mean like a fluffy puppy dog.
So we're staying on brand. Don't worry about it.
Yeah, so we're not gonna let you know exactly what we're doing, but you'll be getting it.
Hopefully this episode is going to come out quick.
I'm gonna try to do a quick turnaround with this.
I'm hoping to get it out on Monday. So if you're listening to it right now and it's Monday, hooray for me.
Should we talk about some happenings this week?
Let's talk about some happenings. So, this is not exactly true crime.
It could have been. It's kind of crime, so...
No, it's crime. It was almost a crime. It was attempted crime, that is for sure.
So let's talk about Lindsay fucking Lohan for a minute. yeah I bet you didn't think that's where we were going with this but I got it it's so relevant it's just so relevant And I love it.
Lindsay Lohan tried to kidnap two children on Instagram Live this week.
And she did this all while speaking in some kind of like... Version of an accent.
Mashed up like... Middle Eastern slash European accent.
Like kind of British. that just kept flowing in and out and her voice has become so deep and raspy that it's just became very frightening.
And she was following these people who she began at first nobly.
Like she said to it. Yeah, like she was saying, I know this Syrian refugee family.
They're living on the street. They have two kids.
I want to help them. Let me help. Then she walks up to them, which I was like on Facebook live.
I was like, okay, really doing charity lens, like throw a camera in their face.
Like throw an iPhone X in their face and be like, how can I help you?
And they're like, fuck you, Linz. But so then they're like, yeah, no, we're good.
Please go away, Lindsay Lohan. And she just keeps pressing and following them.
And that's when she starts getting, like, super aggressive.
And she tells the kids to, like, take her hand.
She's like, take my hand. I don't know what happened to that poor girl.
But in the end what happens at the end? So at the end, this mom finally gets fed up with Lindsay Lohan following her and trying to fucking take her kids away.
And she punches her square in the face. To which Lindsay Lohan falls back and just goes, ah!
And this all she's like she tried to grab the kid and she was yelling that they were trafficking their children.
But I think she was just real confused. And it's like, those are their kids.
How are you just saying they're trafficking their children by this?
You began this very friendly. I don't understand.
It was a very weird video. it was just so much maybe she's a part of MKUltra there you go she probably is man I think so Listen to the last podcast on the left.
They have a whole thing about MKUltra. It's really interesting.
This Friday, we are going to be recording with Right Wrong Turn podcast.
So you'll be getting an episode with a little collaboration with them soon.
And then... The Saturday we're going to be collaborating with.
Oops, we watched it again. And we're going to do a fun Halloween movie episode.
So stay tuned for that. I don't want to give too much out, but yeah, so that'll be fun.
So stay tuned because we got a lot of little collaborations coming up and it's going to be fun.
It's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome.
Yeah. In true crime news, there's really...
I mean, there's a lot of shit going on right now that I think everybody knows what's going on.
But there was another little story that came up on the news that was... struck me right away as odd.
And when I went online to kind of check out what other people thought about this.
It seems like there's a general consensus of people Who feel the same way about this.
So it's a sad story. It's this little six-year-old boy with autism.
Named Matic. Was in a state park in North Carolina with his...
One thing I read was with his father and his father's girlfriend.
Initially, it said his father and his father's friends, so...
Right now I'm reading an article that says it was him and his girlfriend.
They were with Maddox. They let Maddox run ahead of them.
And then the father said that he got like interested in a jogger, like just started running out the jogger.
Like he wanted to catch up with him. So he just let him run.
And then he lost him. Like he couldn't find him all of a sudden.
Which literally doesn't make sense. My thing is, the first thing I think is no.
Don't let your kid run to you. First of all, you have an autistic child.
The red flag right there that you let an autistic child run that far away from you in a state park. like a very unfamiliar yeah there's so many other things that could have happened big open air it's like that's just a lot and then Two, at first I was like, well, you really couldn't catch up with your child?
Like, really? That doesn't make any sense.
Apparently other people asked him that. And the father said he has diabetic nerve damage, so he can't run that fast, which, okay.
But you were with somebody. Yeah, why didn't they- So why didn't that other person catch up with your son?
Like, none of this makes sense. It's just- And when I saw it on the news, I said to my husband, he did it.
And John was like, you are super jaded. And I was like, no.
It's true, though. After a while, you learn, like, what seems... you just get a feeling that's the thing and this just didn't seem legit to me and i'm really hoping i'm wrong in this but i don't think i don't think you are And it seems like a lot of people felt this way, like, right away.
Well, didn't you say that the people never saw the boy come in?
Yeah, the people who worked at the park were the ones who called 911 like an hour later because they weren't informed until like an hour after you went missing.
And they said that they didn't even see that kid in the park.
And they typically see everyone. Yeah, and from what I've read, the FBI, because they're investigating it, said...
They have evidence that he was in the park, but they won't release what evidence.
And then the people also said that the father and his girlfriend didn't seem very concerned.
That their child was missing. Oh, that their six-year-old with autism was missing.
Which struck them as weird. And... It was a few days later.
It was like close to a week later that they did find Maddox.
Unfortunately, not alive. And I think he was like halfway in a creek, like a mile away or something like that, which is awful.
Shit like that makes me so fucking angry.
And it's just and he was nonverbal apparently.
It's like the whole thing. I'm I'm curious to see what comes out of this.
No results have come from an autopsy or anything, but I'm curious to see how this pans out.
Because it's gonna be a real bummer if it comes out that it's the dad.
It's also just really fucked up. I mean, it's gonna be an... it's sad no matter what i mean it's a kid if even if it was an accident but it's like if this is the dad it's gonna be a real bummer So hopefully, you know, we'll have an update on that whole thing.
But we'll bring you back up a little bit to our amazing Patreons. oh okay I was like we're bringing them back up with the case we're talking about this week we won't dive into it quite yet but we had a couple new patreons that we want to tell how much we love you Yeah, we have three new Patreons this week.
So thank three new people. Yay. Our first is Kevin Koop.
He is a part of the Window Latching Coven.
Welcome to the coven, Kevin. Thank you, Kevin.
We also have another Window Latching Coven crew member, Veronica Montalvo.
Veronica. I love the name Veronica. That's a cool name. and we have that's a cool witch name it is veronica is a very she's part of the coven for sure right it makes sense thank you thanks veronica you the best And then we have a custom Patreon.
Her name is Rebecca. I'm sorry if I fuck your last name up.
It's either Siempa or Kiempa. Either way, I love it.
Yes. And I like how you spell your first name.
It's R-E-B-E-K-A-H. I like the name Rebecca too.
Yeah. These are all nice names. You know what?
Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Veronica.
And thank you, Rebecca. Thank you everyone.
You guys are bad asses. We fucking love you.
We really do. No, I actually really fucking do.
And good things are coming. Because we're going to get a motherfucking P.O. box tomorrow.
And we actually are. Like, this is a plan.
We're hanging out tomorrow and we're going to get one.
Like, we're going to be together. We're going to go do it.
We're going to hold each other accountable.
Yeah, we're doing this. Because we need to get these things, some things out to you guys.
And, you know, we want to have it there to make everything work.
Yes. So that's going to happen. All right, let's just get this over with.
So let's get part two over with. I'm hoping this will be a shorter episode, but who knows?
We did talk for a long time in the beginning.
Yeah. So I have one little correction before we begin this.
You already fucked up, man. I already fucked up.
No, it's just a correction from the first part of the Toy Box Killing episode.
A listener, Sean Barber, messaged us after the first...
He just wanted to let us know that it probably wasn't Viagra that David Parker Ray had called when he was younger.
Remember when I said he called Viagra to say, will this help me not have to hurt somebody to have an erection?
He said it wasn't Viagra probably because that didn't hit the market until 1998.
And he said he knows this because he did like a whole research thing on it.
And... He was correct. And I had it half wrong.
So he didn't call Diagra when he was younger.
He did it later in his life. So he did do it when it came out in 1998 because it was brand new.
So he called to be like, is this shit going to help me?
Like, what's going to happen? And they were like, no.
So I did say it incorrectly last time, and he is 100% right.
And when I researched it further, it was Viagra that he called about, but it was...
Later. Not when he was a teenager. So, Sean Barber, thank you for pointing that out because that was incorrect of me to say, so I appreciate it. and again we are always down for corrections and constructive criticism so send it our way yes please So where we left off was Cindy Hindi had started talking.
Okay. I'm ready. Now, she told police... that he had made it very clear early on that he believed he owned all women, everyone around him, all the women around him. and that they were around solely for the purpose of giving him pleasure.
And like we said, He was doing this for like 40 years or so.
He started way early on in his life doing this.
And he had actually told Cindy about his first murder.
Oh. And he said it was when he was around like 20, 19, 20 years old.
And she still fucking got into a relationship with him?
Yeah. She's crazy. Hindi girl. What's wrong with you?
Yeah, she's about to be possibly released anytime now. actually.
Oh, fucking awesome. Now I'll really sleep tonight.
From an article from like... exactly a year ago actually they were kind of readying her for release because she struck and i'll explain this at the end of this episode that she struck a plea deal so um don't they always right exactly and it says here that the parole board executive director joanne martinez said that If and when she's released, she'll likely be on a GPS monitor and will be under a high level of supervision as a sex offender.
Well, that's good at least. Which is good, but it's like, holy shit, that lady's gonna be roaming around.
Well, people fall through the cracks sometimes.
Like fucking Cindy Hendy. is going to be roaming around.
All right. Now I really need to know what happened.
I know. He told her when he murdered someone.
So his first murder was around 19 or 20 years old.
He said he abducted a girl randomly like a schoolgirl and tied her to a tree.
He then raped her, beat her and strangled her to death.
Oh my god. And he's told Hindi that he loved it.
He became aroused by this whole process including the murder part.
So it wasn't just like the you know he liked weird torture games he liked killing her too At what point in your relationship is it acceptable to start talking about that?
I feel like it's like some people... say you're like finally comfortable when you can like fart in front of somebody but if you can talk about your murderous rampages but I feel like Talking about your first murder is like next level.
That's when you know. That's when you know you found your soulmate.
For sure. True love. I'm telling you, it's a love story.
Cindy Hindy and David Parker-Raphael. Cindy Hindy.
Gross. So now from that point on, he kept going.
It's not like he stopped and was like, well, that was nice.
I'm not going to do that again. He kept so obsessed.
But he didn't strike at random again. He kind of... He planned it out.
He found that he liked targeting specifically sex workers because...
You know the old thing where they are, quote, less dead.
Because... people don't always know what they do people people consider it like they're putting themselves in a dangerous position i'm not saying this is true i'm just saying this is This is how these killers work.
They think, well, they're putting themselves in this position and they're usually runaways or they're You know, they have substance abuse issues.
Yeah, they're estranged. These people are going to be easy to take.
Nobody's going to be looking for them. I can keep them for a long time.
But it's not always fucking true. true exactly uh cindy said he did have a type and he liked to abduct abduct women that he found physically attractive He didn't just because a lot of these killers will just like anything that moves, you know, but he liked to abduct his type, which is kind of funny because his quote type. is not Sindahindi.
So it's like... Well, maybe that was good for her.
I know, right? Since she didn't die. Tend to like women of Asian or Latina persuasion.
And he liked big... chesticles. Oh. Awesome.
What did Cindy Indy look like? Cindy Indy is like blonde.
Yeah. Like very... She's kind of just like American looking.
Like plain. Like very... Yeah, like if she walked by you, you wouldn't be like... you wouldn't even damn you wouldn't you wouldn't notice that she walked by oh okay until she took on a ball gag and tried to drag you into a van oh then you would notice her Thank you very much for that lovely picture that you just painted.
That's when you would notice her. That's typically when I notice people. now apparently he had initially lived in fence lake new mexico which is a super tiny place.
It's like a population of like 50 people.
And it was mainly ranches and farms and all that shit.
He owned farmland. And he raised cattle and such.
Well, he told her that while he was living there...
He had been interviewed by the FBI in connection to the disappearance and homicides of like a ton of women in the area.
Were some of them his victims? Well, they were coming on a tip that he was involved in some kind of human trafficking slash slavering slash murders.
Oh my god. And the tip claimed that Ray had been kidnapping women and trafficking them out.
It's alleged that this tip came from none other than...
Jessa Rae, his daughter. Yep. Now... Later, you're going to see that Jessie Ray did this, and then later, she flipped to the other side of the coin.
Which we'll get into. He didn't leave. He was smart when it came to what he was doing.
There wasn't any real tangible evidence, so the FBI investigation kind of halted.
So he had told Cindy this proudly and claimed he had, quote, talked his way out of the situation.
So basically, he was saying to her, I got away with it.
Like I did it. He was kind of admitting to her like I did it.
I just talked my way out of it. And she's like, yeah, I think I'll go on another date with him.
Yeah, she's like, you know what? I think I should move in.
This is like my hinge date nightmare. Right?
Like, she's like, I think I should move into your crusty old trailer now.
So it's like when my friends go on dating apps and they're like...
Maybe I should like go out with this boy.
I'm like, but what if he's a human trafficker?
What if he has a toy box? Yeah. That he spent $100,000.
I can't even. I went out with my friends the other night and I made them walk me to my car.
All of them. Yeah. I made every single one of my friends.
Smart. You're all coming. Smart. They were like, you're podcasting too much.
And I'm like, I know. your pocket you're like well i'm gonna stay alive okay hopefully because i'm that's my goal my head is on a swivel at all times people are like what are your goals this year i'm like staying staying not getting murdered that's my goal that's my new year's resolution yeah every year every year keep it going it's the only one I keep so after this he moved around a lot after he left this ranch he became kind of a drifter At one point he lived in Alaska working on some like drilling job.
So he was like everywhere. He was all over the place.
This whole time, he was using a police badge to kidnap and torture women everywhere he went.
Where did he get a police badge? He got like a fake one.
Oh. You can buy one. It's like... Ted Bundy used one.
Remember? He was like... That's fucked. Maybe we should stop selling those.
Yeah. But I feel like people will just make them.
But this could be why there aren't a lot of bodies are evidence because he was moving around so much.
Drifters are tough to nail down. It's like Otis Toole and Henry Lee Lucas, like they were able to kill a ton, which we'll cover later.
They were able to cover a ton of area and rack up a ton of bodies because... drifters are drifters man they come in they blow in they blow out now because he lived and that's what i'm wondering too is they're not finding bodies because maybe he fed a lot of these bodies to like animals on his farm like pigs like once pigs get a taste for blood like they'll destroy a body yeah You can feed bodies to pigs and nothing will be left.
Bones, all. Everything. It's really gross.
I know. And, uh... he also like everything will be gone yeah you can that's like one way to do it man I'm not trying to give anybody advice.
So he told Cindy that he had killed over 30 people over 40 years.
I believe it. He said about 18 of them had happened in Sierra County where they currently were residing. he said the bodies could be found there could be bodies found in Texas in Arizona in Alaska because he was drifting everywhere Okay, but here's what I'm confused about.
What? Why didn't he just use Cindy Hindia as his, like, sex slave if she was into it?
That's why. And they went together. Because he doesn't want somebody into it.
Dumb question. He knows she's faking. Even if she pretends to be in pain and stuff, because she was into it enough that she could help him.
And a lot of these, which we'll cover more, we'll cover more like couple killers too, because a lot of times...
Having a woman as part of it helps these men get the trust of other women.
Because when you see a woman there, it does lower your guard.
You think it's not just a man. I mean, not, not me.
Not me. Don't try me. I'm not trusting you.
Don't trust me. Don't trust me. Don't try me.
I mean, don't trust me either. Don't trust anybody.
Just don't. Like I said, don't, I mean, don't trust anyone.
Don't help anyone. No. Just keep to yourself.
That's all. That's our advice. She also told police that he was incredibly meticulous when it came to removing any ties or connection to himself from these victims.
Damn. He would remove all identification as well as like jewelry, clothing, anything that could be used later to identify them. even like if they had any kind of like specific jewelry that had names on it or something or something that somebody could point to to be like she always wore this he would remove it and they I mean they found what was it over 401 items in that yeah that was bananas that was not him or Cindy's it's like They came from somewhere.
Now, he told some very detailed stories to Cindy about other various murders throughout the years, like shooting girls in the back of the head. and such and in one instance he said that he was dumping a body and he didn't tell her where but he said he was out dumping a body wherever he did it and he threw the body into a ravine and and he had tossed some dirt over it and left, but before he got home, he was like, huh.
I'd really like to keep that particular girl's skull as a trophy.
Did he? And so he went back when he got there.
There was a big giant dog just sitting on top or standing on top of the makeshift grave and he took that as a bad omen.
So he just split. Oh, wow. But he told her that like very specific story, which he's obviously like that seems like he's telling the truth.
He's not just bragging and making shit up.
That's a very specific story to tell. So that was a weird one.
A lot of the devices found in the toy box were made by Ray himself.
Ew. Because he was a mechanic. He was like a tinkerer.
He knew how to put things together. He was really good at his hands, really good at putting things together, making different things out of... like repurposing different tools and i mean unfortunately he used that kind of like for smart mind for evil shit but he could have gone to MIT and it would have been great.
You fucked up, David. We mentioned in part one that they found a leg spreader. i hated that part it was exactly what it sounds like but if the woman attempted to close her knees spikes would impale into her legs on either side shut the fuck up Yeah, it's crazy.
Oh, besides the leg spreader, at this time they found that he had a freddy fucking kruger glove that he made and he named it the freddy kruger glove you're fucking with me nope It was a glove that had blades on the fingers.
Not kidding. Oh my god. I mean, he's even more horror movie villain than we originally picked him as.
Because he literally, like, tried to be.
He's literally, like, he had a Freddy Krueger glove.
That he named that. That's really fucked up.
And he made himself like Freddy Krueger.
I... I want to post to on the Instagram, um...
Part of the documentary I was watching was showing one of the sex toys, I'll call it.
No. And he made it out of PVC pipe. Oh. And it's gigantic.
And he had marked the inches. Like how big it was?
This one contraption has also nails on it. that he melted into the PVC pipe so that it would literally tear up someone's insides and outside.
What the fuck happens to people? But don't worry guys, I'll post a photo of that on Instagram. what the fuck so this is the documentary that I took a lot of information from uh had the investigator going into the toy box and showing off some of the artifacts that were in there.
And here's a little clip of the guy talking about a special little sex toy, if you will. and then he had the dildo fashioned out of looks like a plastic pipe actually These are nails that have been melted into this plastic collar, and this would be inserted in her vagina or anal canal.
And he would work it and work it until he could get it all the way in, and then they would have these spikes here.
They're going to go in, you're going to get poked, it's going to be very painful and rip their inner thighs out.
Who would even want to go in there and see all of that?
I know, I feel like even, it's funny because in the clip, the guy's like sweating buckets.
It's like a weird attraction. It's just like a very unfortunate place to be.
And it's probably like, ugh. no there's demons in there buddy there is you couldn't pay me all the money in the world to fucking step foot even near that yeah no So just to really hammer in.
Some of you who read the transcript probably know what I'm going to. mention here just defer in case you didn't really know that this was like the worst dude on the planet Part of his audio tape, which I won't read because it's really horrific.
Nope. was explaining to the woman that, remember how I mentioned that there would be a dog involved?
Oh, I thought we were going to get out of it without the dog.
We're not. So I just really want to hammer in how bad this dude is.
Uh, he would tell the one, it's part of the audio tape that they would hear immediately getting there that he said, you're going to like, cause you wanted to let them know what they were in for.
And he said, one of the things I like to do is he said... Now, I mentioned that he had a contraption in that toy box that was... meant to forcibly bend a woman over and keep them in a position to rape them. uh he said that he would like to have he would have people over sometimes for a party and he liked to bring his sex slaves out In front of the party.
What? Put them in that contraption. Put a little like breeding spray on them.
From like dog breeders? No. Bring his German shepherd in and have his dog rape the woman in front of a party of people.
I wish you could see Ashley's face. What?
Yep, he did it. Did any of these people that were at the parties get caught?
That's what kills me. I don't know what happened with that.
It's like I don't know. he clearly hung out with i mean like the degenerates of the earth but it's like dogs don't Well, and he said in the thing, that's why I said like, I don't even know how to explain this.
This is animal abuse. This is animal abuse, but in a different way.
You know what I mean? I didn't even know how to...
Really? How do I preface that? There's no fucking book on that.
So... But yeah. So that was part of the whole thing.
And the way he... And I'm... Again... Those who have read the transcripts know the details he went into.
And I'm not going to get into them, but he went into a lot of detail.
I refuse to. ever read about how terrible it would be for her and it's it just like conjures up the worst images in your brain that you can possibly ever think of Yeah.
But, yeah, so... Wow. Now, she also... corroborated Cynthia's statement about Ray taking a ton of pictures of her throughout the torture.
Ew. and also showing her photos of previous women because Cynthia had said I saw other photos he has them on the walls he would show me them like I saw this.
I know he's done this before. She was only there for three days and she saw so much fucked up stuff.
Well, Cindy said Ray loved taking pictures of the process, but he would often, because again, he's...
He's pretty smart. He would often destroy each set of photos after a particular amount of time so that nothing could ever be found.
Like, he would keep this collection of photos and then he'd get someone new and he would destroy those and get a whole new one because he was like, I can't.
As much as... Which that's a lot of impulse control too.
Right. A lot of these dudes keep this shit and that's how they end up getting caught because they can't help themselves.
They need to have it. Where the fuck did he get those photos developed?
Right? I wonder if it was Polaroids or something.
Do you have a whole lab? I must have been.
Because I feel like it's like, exactly, like, where are you getting that?
Can you imagine being that photo lab person?
Nope. I quit today because minimum wage.
I don't really want to do this anymore. So, aside from the journals that we spoke about previously that he... really was into and those journals kept detailed you know information about the dates of abduction the location the details of torture he inflicted on these women He also kept something he called physiological forms.
What's that? These were forms that contained, like, weirdly clinical information about the victims, like weight, height, age.
He was being adopted? And shit. Like he was playing doctor.
It's like bizarre. And it seems like he just like needed, he like really liked having paperwork.
I'm sure. That's so bizarre. He probably had ways to weigh them somehow.
Ew. Cindy said she was, she first said she was never present for a murder, but then she confessed to helping Ray abduct and torture some of these victims.
She was fucking there for a murder. Go fuck yourself, Cindy.
And in fact, she came out with a pretty big confession relating to that.
She said in February of 1999, the same year, only a month before abducting Cynthia Vigil.
She helped Ray take a woman she called Angela.
That's the only name she would give. No, this woman was released alive, according to Cindy.
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Uh huh. She said they left her on the side of the highway after her torture.
And, of course, the first thing you're thinking is, like, where the fuck is Angela?
Like, if they dropped her off alive, why has nothing come out about this?
Well, we'll get to that. So now Ray wouldn't talk and police were like scrambling to get any information at all.
From him, about him, aside from what Cindy was telling them.
So they found out that his co-workers and boss were... shocked beyond belief that he was even being accused of all this and called, they all called him one of the nicest guys you could ever meet.
That's so scary how people can really totally have two separate sides.
One person in one situation and totally different the other.
And his boss went as far as to put him on paid leave during this whole thing while he was waiting for trial.
I literally was like, you're fucking kidding me. he was just so sure that he wasn't guilty that he was like I'm gonna take care of him while he's dealing with all this I wonder how he feels about that now I know, I can't imagine.
And I saw in a documentary about the case, they interviewed one of his former coworkers.
This guy was just like, yeah, he's a real nice guy.
And they showed off his car. They're like, yeah, this is Dave's car.
That he used. Yeah. His like state park truck.
Yeah. And they showed off a welding mask that was his.
And it has his name on it. Oh, that's creepy.
Right? And they still have it. And they still haven't used original tools that he made by hand. to catch he made these tools to catch snakes around the park yeah and he wrote he like made them out of like you know different things right And he had written on them, snake catcher on them.
And they still use them. Oh, that's fucked up.
Like, they were showing them and I'm like, maybe don't use it.
Like, maybe make them... Again, don't use those.
So that's bizarre. Now, Ray's sister wasn't shocked.
She was like, yeah, you should have grown up with him.
She was not on the same level as these Parks guys.
She was like, no. And... She's like, I found some weird shit in his room.
Exactly. She referred right back to those sketches and photographs that she found when he was only 14 when she found those.
Oh, my God. Can you imagine, like, you think you have a creepy little brother and then you find that shit out?
Exactly. And at 14... he flat out told her, I can't have sex with anyone without hurting them.
Yeah, that's really fucked up. And she was like, I don't know what to do.
She was like, well, you're 14, so why are you having sex right now?
And it's like, you're 14, what are you doing?
So he did, again, he had Jesserai, and he also had David Jr., a son.
His son was not close to him, but was raised mostly by his grandmother.
He didn't really know David Parker Ray. Okay. out of him even through all of this and basically like abandoning him as a child His son said he burst into tears when they asked him about it.
And he said, I just don't know. If I can turn on my father that way.
Wow. Even after everything. So it's like he had some kind of.
That's like a situation that you don't know what you would do until you're faced with it.
Because I would be like, no, I would totally turn my dad in.
I don't know until that happens. Yeah. It's like you want to believe you just automatically do, you know, what was right for society.
But it's like... There's still that biological connection.
It's a strong connection. So obviously... we have multiple victims and a huge shit storm of chaos in this case.
Like everything is just kind of like, um, Now the journals he kept had dates, locations, details about the torture, but no names. oh it was it was compelling but not good for identification purposes which is what he wanted He wanted that.
He wanted his own log, but not something that would incriminate him later.
Yeah. He knew he could explain that away if he figured it out.
I'm writing a book. Yeah. And in those journals, he wrote down and they show like in some of the documentaries, like they have the journals.
He wrote down the number of times he tortured these women.
Like he like crossed them out like with tick marks.
What the fuck? Yeah. Now, since their capture, the news went bananas around the area.
Like national news stations coming, swarming around.
And this was actually a good thing because the coverage led to a woman coming forward.
Well, that's the thing. You probably wouldn't want to because you're afraid.
Well, and he made sure that these women didn't come forward.
So this woman was Angelica Montana. She was a former resident of Truth or Consequences.
And she hung around the same haunts that Cindy did.
She was living the same haunts. She was living in Colorado now.
But Wednesday, February 17th, 1999. Mm-hmm.
So this is the February. You're right, the Angela.
That Cindy, like a month before Cynthia Vigil was abducted.
Sure. So Cindy was hanging out with Angelica at like some bar, wherever.
Cindy invited her back to their house, to her house to hang out.
They ambushed her when she got there, chained her up the same way Cynthia was.
Can you imagine you just thought you were going to hang out with your girlfriend and Yeah.
Like your friend. It's insane. Like, cause she was literally just hanging out with her friend and she was like, oh, come back to my house.
So she came back. You wouldn't ever think twice. about that yeah and just like came into the house and they just ambushed her that's so fucked up yeah she was kept for days as well And she said Cindy helped Ray the whole time.
Right. She said it was four days that she was kept repeated rapes, torture, and beatings.
She claimed that she started to beg for her life and told them she had a young child to care for.
And it was actually Cindy that seemed to listen and like kind of soften to that.
Oh, my God. Yeah. And Cindy convinced Ray to drop her off alive somewhere.
So she was just dropped randomly somewhere and wanted, she immediately was like, I just want to get to my mom's house.
So she started hitchhiking. i don't know i can't i don't know how she like started i how do you get in another car How do you trust another human being?
I feel like you must just have to get as far away as possible.
It's just survival. Exactly. So they just let her walk out?
They just dropped her off and let her walk away.
Now, she... was picked up by an off-duty police deputy oh wow and she told him the entire story And he did nothing about it.
He thought it was crazy. He was like, no, that's insane.
Like, no, that's not real. So he never reported it.
What the fuck? Right? What? Like, yeah, crime is crazy.
Yeah. Yep. That just made me so angry. oh no, that's just dumb.
He was literally like, that's too over the top, which I realize that this story is out of control.
But if someone's telling you that this just... Just follow up on it.
Why not even just follow... I wonder how he felt when this all came out.
Because it's like, even if she's not telling the truth, follow up on it.
That's your job, right? You're literally, that is your job to follow up on things that get reported.
That's it. I'm done. Yeah, so this is obviously the Angela that Cindy was referring to in the interview.
This led investigators to now start really believing that there was a lot more victims than...
They initially thought the FBI decided to release some of the images they found among his items in the trailer.
Oh, God. In some of them, there was a woman with a very distinctive swan tattoo on her ankle.
Oh. That one, they found an entire video of some of her torture.
Oh my god. and she's in the video she's completely naked strapped to the gynecological chair there's bits and pieces of this video that they show that It's horrifying.
They show it? Well, it's hard to explain.
Like, I know it sounds like it would be very awful and graphic.
They show bits and pieces of it. So it's like grainy.
You can see someone strapped to a chair and you can see him moving around her. you know what i mean like it's very odd it's it's just unsettling when anything and you can see she's strapped to the chair she can't she's very out of it and he's like touching her Because they drugged them, right?
Yeah, which we'll get to in a little bit.
But in this video, right before the video... yeah um he they they said they because when the fbi was searching these things they found a lot of like nonsense videos that you know everyone everyone recorded tapes back then VHS tapes.
And so this one they found was him in his toy box And he was setting up the video camera and like testing it, moving over to the chair and being like testing one, two, seeing if he could hear his voice.
What a fucking. like fucked up like he was trying to make sure he got the best sound yeah like what we do before literally like sound checking and then they said it was like a lot of that and they were like that's weird But that alone, they're like, maybe this is just something he likes to do with his partner and he's trying to make sure that he can get good video of it.
That alone is not... fucked up whatever people do what they want to do but then all of a sudden they started hitting well all of a sudden this one tape cuts out And then it comes right back and this woman is in the chair.
It's spooky. So yeah, in this one video...
This woman had a very distinctive and very specific swan tattoo.
It wasn't on her ankle. It was on her calf, on the side of her calf.
So they they like were enabled. The FBI was able to enhance that tattoo and they were able to show it on TV and And be like, if you have this tattoo... Please come forward.
Come forward. So... This woman named Kelly Garrett or Kelly Van Cleave.
I think her name, her married name is Van Cleave. uh came forward she came forward and said holy shit that's me in the video Did she not remember?
Now, she was a nanny at the time and she was friends with Jessa Rae.
Oh my God. But had never been, she said she had never been to the Parker Ray residence.
So this happened to her and she didn't remember?
Yep. So she didn't remember it completely because he had drugged her before he let her loose.
Now, there's a quote. I'm going to quote the video, the audio tape again.
Why do you do this? This isn't as unsettling.
That's the other one. So this is what, this will just explain what happened.
Now this is part of the audio tape that he would play for every single one of these women.
It says, quote, I get off on mind games.
After we get completely through with you, you're gonna be drugged up real heavy. with a combination of sodium pentothal and phenobarbital.
They are both hypnotic drugs that will make you extremely susceptible to hypnosis audio hypnosis and hypnotic suggestion you're gonna be kept drugged a couple of days while i play with your mind while i play with your mind By the time I get through brainwashing you, you're not going to remember a fucking thing about this little adventure.
What? So he would literally drug these women up and then just fill their mind with like literally just warp their brain and memory.
And then let them loose. So these women would be like, wait, what just happened?
Like, what is going on? Exactly. And this, this Kelly Garrett or Van Cleave that I saw, I saw an interview with her and she said that she for like a whole year she was like i had these weird nightmares where i would be like I'd be chained up to something and I couldn't get loose and like I'd have a gag in my mouth and it would like freak me out.
I'd wake up freaking out thinking, why am I having these random nightmares?
And so she was like, what the hell's going on?
She had no idea that it was actually real.
So... In July 1996, she'd been living in Elephant Butte with her husband.
They had a fight, and she left to blow off some steam at the local bars.
Yeah. Where one Jessa Rye liked to hang.
There is where she struck up a conversation with 29-year-old Jesse Rye.
Now, after hanging out all night, Jesse told Kelly that she would give her a ride home on her motorcycle.
She said, oh, I just got to stop at my dad's house real quick.
Is that cool? Always answer no to that. No, I got it.
Always say no. It's not cool. That's a major inconvenience.
Also, just don't go home with people randomly.
It's not a good idea. When they got there.
Kelly waited in the living room of horrors while Jesse went to chat with her dad real quick.
And she said everything was like, whatever.
All of a sudden, Jesse and David come into the room with fucking weapons and duct tape.
Oh, my God. She was incapacitated and put in the toy box.
Kelly doesn't remember all the details after this because David forced those drugs into her that caused all the amnesia.
But after three days of torture, he took Kelly... in his state park uniform and park ranger vehicle, back to her in-law's house and said he found her wandering on the beach.
Oh my god. So he literally dropped her back off wearing his park ranger uniform in the park ranger vehicle and just said I found her wandering and I wanted to get her home.
What the fuck? Yeah. She said she never reported it because she couldn't remember so much and she started believing it was a nightmare.
She was like, I don't know what happened.
This whole thing could have been in my brain.
That is so horrible. She couldn't believe it when she saw herself in the video.
Oh my god, that must destroy your life. Like, you're just like, what the fuck?
That happened to me. Because they showed her the video.
And now, obviously, this was back in 1996.
So Jessie Ray, like, enjoyed doing this weird shit with her dad?
And that's what I think this... I think there's like more to that.
I just think there's more to that. And this was way back in 1996.
So this was before Cindy and he had even met.
Oh, wow. So he was just using Jesse before her.
Oh, damn. As like his wingman. So this makes me think now, because in the audio tape in part one, he says in that original tape that it was that the original one remember he says like i don't know the details about your abduction because this was made I'm making this tape in 1993.
Yeah. But in that he says, me and my lady have some weird hangups.
And when I first heard that, I was like, but you don't have Cindy then in 1993.
Oh my God, so it's Jessie. Exactly. And I was like, that's weird.
So he was talking about fucking Jesse, I think.
That's so disgustingly horrible. Like, I'm pretty certain there's incest there.
No, there's gotta be. Like, so certain.
I don't think I've been more certain about anything.
Did anything happen to Jessie? Well, yes.
Continue, continue. Now, immediately, Jesse Ray was arrested.
Okay, good. On April 6th that year. Right before the formal charges were announced, Cindy's lawyers offered the DA some information if they agreed to reduce charges against her.
Out of nowhere. Now, because this was right after all these women are coming out.
So she was like, I have more to say. Exactly.
So she agreed to testify against David. And she said he introduced her to his passion for abducting and torturing women in his toy box pretty early on.
And she said she was super shocked first.
But she was so obsessed with him that she was like, fuck it.
All right. Like, I'll just go with it. Like, why was she so obsessed with him?
I'm like, what? First of all, if you look at this dude.
He's nasty. he looks like a fucking beat up leather shoe you look like a leather shoe sir he looks like a fucking leather shoe that has been through some shit And then also, I heard part of the tapes, like the audio tape.
I don't want to look at him, but I'm going to.
And his voice is like this little dink-ass hick voice.
He says, naked. Naked? Like, he's like, you're gonna be kept naked?
And it's like, what? Ugh. I just looked at him.
Isn't he gross? Yeah. Ew. Yeah. And she was like, I'm so obsessed with him that I just went with it.
Ew. It's so gross. Wow. Yeah. He's a rough looking dude.
I have a quick clip of David himself. in the audio tape that he would play for the girls and i'm not playing you a crazy clip don't worry it's just i want you to hear how gross his voice is so here's him talking about what's gonna happen to them hello there bitch I'm going to tell you in detail why you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen to you now.
You are obviously here against your will.
You're going to be kept chained in a variety of different positions, usually with your legs or knees forced wide apart.
Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. No. No.
Nope. I'm done. Broken ass. I'm broke. Ugh.
He even sounds like a leather shoe. Sounds like what a leather shoe would sound like.
He does. He sounds like a little shitty leather shoe.
It is a little shitty. That has holes in it.
Yuck. And it's stanky. And you get rocks in it.
It smells like it needs some gold bond. And it smells like Richard Ramirez's breath. yeah it's just bad news so she claimed in the one month after she moved in she helped him abduct several women Only in one month after she moved in.
She said they were all in like surrounding towns.
And she said they let some of them go like Angelica and Kelly. but all the others were killed damn she said she knew of at least 14 girls that he had murdered she knew of So that's all that she had her for like a few years.
Literally not even a few years. They were only together for eight months when they got arrested.
Oh shit. Yeah. I forgot that part. So in that whole span, she knew of 14 girls.
Oh, in a couple months, he was doing this shit.
Yeah. Now, he had told her... That he used Elephant Butte State Park to dispose of the bodies.
Which is not shocking. Which is brilliant because it's like fucking state parks.
They're huge. And they're huge. You just can't.
You can't cover everything. He told her, and this is so spooky.
I hate it. He told her that he learned... throughout this whole thing that in order to that you know you can't just dump a body in the water even if you weight them down eventually the air is going to shoot them up to the surface so what he learned throughout this whole thing was To make the body stay in the water, you have to eviscerate the body cavity before weighing them down.
So like empty out all their organs? Literally just empty them out.
Because otherwise gases and stuff are going to trap in there and eventually they're going to shoot to the surface.
I don't have words for that. No. Elephant Butte.
Lake. is 23 miles long, 3 to 4 miles wide, and at some places 90 to 100 feet deep.
Oh my god, so you can't even dive. So divers went right into this lake after Cindy.
I'm like, you can't dive. you can't dive in there but well they after cindy said this that he told her this that this is how he disposed of them They went right in.
They were like, we've got to find something.
They haven't found anything. And they said, we literally can't search at all.
It's 23 miles long. Right. It's huge. He picked a perfect place, unfortunately.
Oh my god. Then she said, this is like a bombshell, she said, it was not just David, Jesse, and Cindy doing this.
Who else was it? There was someone else that helped them.
She said the fourth person had actually helped David murder one of his victims.
This guy was named Roy Yancey, and he was a younger kid.
And he was like a real piece of shit kid.
Truth or consequences had to cancel Halloween one year when he and his friends were young because they were killing cats and destroying tombstones.
Oh my god. So they canceled Halloween. Like, little kids couldn't go out.
That's so fucked up. This is a dick. So they tracked down Roy Yancey and brought him in.
They tell him Cindy's story. Bam. He just like breaks.
Oh, shit. Like he's like, boom. And he just confesses the whole thing.
He did it. He said he was one time, he said he was not involved in all the murders.
And he said, but one time he was forced by David to murder a woman named Marie Parker.
Why? Royancy and Marie had been dating. He took her to a 4th of July party at David's house in 1997.
Why did he kill her? Everyone was super drunk and David had drugged her.
And David then forced Ray to go with him and drag her back to his toy box.
Oh my god. He said he had heard rumors of this toy box, but he never actually saw it until then.
He didn't think it was real. He then held a gun to Roy's head and handed him a rope and he said, you know what you need to do.
And he said he had to make a choice, and he made a choice that would haunt him forever.
So he... Good, I hope it fucking does haunt you forever.
He said David then drove he and Marie's body to Monticello Canyon and buried her.
Which is like in the desert. Holy fuck.
Yeah. He just forced him to murder his girlfriend for no fucking reason.
Just because he could. Just because he could.
What a leather shoe. A fucking leather shoe.
Like a shitty leather shoe. he then so roy yancey agreed to lead them to the burial site and he did and they went did they find her Well, they didn't find anything.
But Roy said he 100% believed that David had come back and moved it.
I moved her. Because he said he knew that he would never allow something to be a liability to him.
And even though he had Roy Yancey as the one who killed her.
Like, he could be like, I didn't do it. He killed her.
He could still be involved. If he knew where that body was, he was like, nothing is being traced back to me.
Like, he's that... Hardcore. So they're gathering what they can now, and now they have the testimonies of Roy and Cindy.
With no bodies, a first degree murder conviction was... really tough but they were doing three separate trials one for kelly one for angelica and one for cynthia They didn't count on the fact, though, that David was a fucking charmer, even behind bars.
Really? He could manipulate shit from prison.
And so five months before David's trial for the rape and torture of Kelly Garrett.
Van Cleave, suddenly they get word out of nowhere that Roy Yancey changed his mind and refuses to cooperate.
Was David allowed to talk to him? Well, according to prison guards, Roy had received an anonymous note a few days earlier that simply said, quote, rats die in jail.
Oh, shit. Prosecutors were sure it was from David.
Roy was fucking terrified, they said. And instead of cooperating, he just pled guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
Oh, my God. So instead of... Testifying against this dude?
He was like, I'm gonna go to jail for 30 years.
Like, I'm guilty. What? So now all they had was Cindy.
In November 1999, the DA got news that Cindy was suddenly recanting her confessions.
Why? When David had learned that Cindy was turning on him and was going to testify against him, he started smuggling love letters to her and wooing her in prison.
She fell for it like a fucking dumbass. Because she was obsessed with him.
And then she filed a motion to withdraw her plea agreement.
And he, at one point, got a tattoo in prison of her name.
What? Yeah. He got a prison tattoo that said Sindahinde?
That said Sindahinde. Wow. But she fell for it.
Well, yeah, she's fucking dumb. He got exactly what he needed from her, for her to withdraw everything.
Now I'm getting real interested. I know.
So Judge Myrta handed Cindy 36 years in prison for Cynthia and Angelica's abduction and torture.
Mm-hmm. Kelly testified. I know. Kelly testified at her own trial, which is badass. and said she didn't want him to get the death penalty because she wanted him to suffer like she had yeah Now, all they had was the video of Kelly's torture to really nail this guy for something big.
His lawyers just claimed his lawyers like what pieces of shit they just claimed it was consensual BDSM.
Oh yeah, totally. Like that video of Kelly, like literally out of it, barely awake and being tortured in the toy box.
They were like, that was consensual. she's not fucking coherent are you kidding me oh my god they said every woman he had in there agreed to it for payment or for exchange of drugs Oh my god.
Some of the jurors bought that shit. Yeah of course they did.
And they came back deadlocked. Two jurors ended up being holdouts and thought it could have been consensual.
So the judge had to declare a mistrial. Oh, my God.
Now we're on to Cynthia's case. So in 2001, they went to trial, and she was obviously coherent throughout her ordeal.
It wasn't even that long ago. I know. So they had that going for them that Cynthia could tell them this is what happened.
She wanted to be damn sure that that jury knew she was not a willing participant.
Did she testify? She did. So she testified against him.
She was in tears and obviously distraught throughout.
She even yelled at him and called him a bastard in the courtroom.
Good. Before the jury broke to deliberate, suddenly, David's lawyer stands up. and says he wants to do a plea deal.
You see, Jessa Ray was about to stand trial of her own for helping him.
So his deal was he would plead guilty to all remaining charges if Jesse was released with time served.
What? They agreed, and he was sentenced to 224 years in prison.
Oh my god, 224 years. Yep. good glinda glinda jean ray jessa ray is walking the streets He pleaded no contest to kidnapping charges in 2001 and was sentenced to two and a half years in prison.
Plus five years of probation in connection to her father's shit.
Now, Ray found God in prison. Oh, don't they all.
So everything was forgiven. Don't worry.
Totally. In May 2002, David contacted authorities and said, I'll talk.
So they were like, holy shit. So they scheduled a meeting as quick as they could.
Right before it, he died of a heart attack.
No fucking way. Yep. Do you think he knew he was gonna die?
He died eight months after sentencing. He only served eight months after his sentencing.
Well, that sucks. He'd been held for two and a half years while awaiting trial and retrial. but only eight months after of 224 years.
God, that makes me so angry. Yeah. Do you think that like people can give themselves heart attacks?
Sometimes I wonder about stuff like that.
I just think it seems like it was his last little fuck you.
He got out of it so fucking easy. That dude didn't pay for anything.
No. It's hard to find updates on this case because they have no bodies.
So they're having trouble kind of... Getting anything.
One thing that they seem to be connecting to him is in 1995, Jesse Ray's girlfriend. disappeared her name was jill troya i believe it's pronounced she was 23 she was last seen at the frontier restaurant in albuquerque With her girlfriend, Jesserai.
Ray told police that she left the restaurant after they got in a fight and that her father, David Parker Ray, picked her up.
Now investigators are suspecting that he had something to do with her disappearance.
She might have been... Brought back to the toy box.
So if I can find any updates, I'll update, you know, on Instagram or whatever, wherever I can.
But yeah, so that is David Parker Ray. The Toy Box Killer.
I know, she is rough. yikes this is just a bunch of rough people looking people yeah we'll post pics doing rough things Yeah, I'll post more pictures.
This case is something, man. It's something.
Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. I'm done. We definitely broke ass.
But don't worry, we're going to bring you back up.
Oh, God, bring me back up. We're going to bring you back up this week with some history.
Some spooky history. False gods. I mean, it's still going to be like shit.
It's always going to be some shit, but it's not going to be...
This shit. It's gonna be some fluffy shit.
It's gonna be fluffy. Again, I say, like a werewolf, fluffy.
Mm-hmm. Not like a fluffy puppy, like a werewolf.
Like a dire wolf. Yeah, like a fluffy dire wolf.
So it's going to have some bite to it, but it's still going to be fluffy.
I don't have words left. I know it's a lot.
Are we done? We're done. So again, if you haven't read the transcript and you want to...
Don't do it. Just don't do it. I've kind of given you all the information you need to make an informed decision about whether you want to.
Guys, all the people that said, they were like, you know what, we didn't listen to Elena's voice. and we read it.
They regret it. So don't do it to yourself.
Don't do it. You could just live the rest of your life and not read that transcript.
Honestly, living the rest of your life not having the words of that transcript in your brain at all is probably better for your brain. mental stability because... I'm not reading it.
I read the whole thing. I... It's... the most messed up thing i've ever read i'm never reading it for sure but not not interested I mean, it doesn't stick with me because I'm able to kind of like compartmentalize it.
I'm not. I don't know if everybody is as removed as I am, so I don't recommend it.
Yeah, I just don't. But yeah, so that's that.
Thanks for listening. We'll be back in a couple days with another episode to fluff you up.
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We are. We're going to be all up in your ear meat.
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For Sheezy. I think I want to make Ash watch House of a Thousand Corpses, so maybe that'll be our next one.
That one's a fun, campy adventure. It's real fucked up, but it's real campy too.
I don't want you to talk about adventures.
Yeah, I shouldn't use that phrasing. Just don't.
Just don't do that. Remove that from my vocabulary.
Please. But yeah, so... Peace out, bitches.
Sleep tight. Do not build a toy box. Yeah.
I was going to say, do not let the David Ray spike.
I was going to say that too. Yeah. I mean, don't do that either.
Or the Jesserai. Oh, the Jesserai. And you know what?
If you're running to send a hender... Punch her in the face.
Run the other way. Yes. Because that bitch is strong as fuck.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Apparently. So, go away.
And prison just makes it a bit stronger.
Exactly. She was probably pumping iron, so stay away from her.
You ever seen Double Jeopardy? Yeah. Watch that one.
That's a great one. I'm sorry. Thank you.
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