Episode 20: David Parker Ray AKA “The Toy Box Killer” | Morbid

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Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid.

No, it's not. What? It's something else entirely Oh, should I go?

No, you can stay Did you miss me? I missed you so much.

I was only gone for a weekend. Ash had to go ahead and be good at her job.

Yeah, like sorta. you know so i was in new york in new york that's where john and i got engaged fyi I didn't really get to see anything like that cool because we stayed in, not to like shit on Times Square, but we stayed in Times Square, which is like Wigan Tourist.

I feel like you have to do that once, though, when you go visit New York.

That's like the thing you have to do. Yeah.

At least once. I literally like didn't go shopping.

Like I didn't go anywhere except for class. literally class and I went to we went out when we got there on Saturday night and all the bars the line was so long all these like club promoters oh yeah like for the shitty clubs though that you don't want to go to kind of show imaginable especially in times square oh yeah It was wicked fun.

Well, I'm glad you had fun in New York while we all just sat here waiting for you.

Well, I do have to say that I am a Boston girl and I liked New York, but I don't think I could live there.

No. I love New York. Like, John and my, when we were dating, like, engaged, even when we first were married, we went there.

You remember. We went there all the time. that's that was like our trip yeah it's going to new york especially during the holidays because i love it during the holidays yeah i want to go back during the holidays it's just more magical yeah It's like everything you want it to be during the holidays.

But so is Boston. But New York is just on a grander scale.

It's different, right, because it's fucking huge.

But every time we would go there, we were like, I love visiting New York.

But I couldn't. I'm a Boston chick, man.

Well, and I give people like mad credit that live there.

It's a fast fucking piece. Yeah, that's a tough city.

So if you live in New York, props to you, man.

Yeah, cool city. Because Boston is a lot less...

We're like a smaller, more scrappy version of New York.

Do you know what, though? I'm really fucking pissed at myself.

Why? I didn't eat one ounce of street meat, and I really wanted to.

Like I was like, I'm gonna get a hot dog and I'm gonna eat it or I'm gonna get like an Italian sausage.

Or something. I am giving myself salmonella on the strip.

So help me God. God damn it. But I've actually been eating really healthy.

So street meat would have been a bit of a deviation from that.

So do you know what I did instead? Like the trashy bitch I am went to the 24-hour McDonald's.

You know what? I support that. I needed something to eat.

I support that. Hairdressers fucking party, dude.

And I am learning how to keep up. See, autopsy technicians don't party a lot.

I wonder why. It's not really like an, well, not that it's not exciting, but it's not like a party.

Let's not party about the death. yeah definitely no partying afterwards yeah no so i can't relate but i'm gel it was fun but i'm a dead woman right now you look great Do I?

You do. For being a dead woman, you look great.

I used a lot of under eye cream. That's a good call.

Yeah. I probably look, I don't look like Quasimodo like I did the other day.

I don't know if you've ever looked like Quasimodo.

I totally did. I should have taken a photo of it.

Did you get that surgery? No. I'm a good fucking sister.

Did you go ahead and get that surgery? Did you do that fucking surgery thing?

I've been gone for two days. Have you got surgery yet?

I feel like I haven't gone for much longer.

I know, I feel like that too, actually. No, but I think a few episodes ago, back in June, Remember, we mentioned that my two and a half year old had poked my eye.

Yeah, she's a fucking savage. Well, I've been having issues with it on and off ever since.

So now I have to get some weird ass laser procedure to, cause every time now it's like every couple weeks I wake up in the morning and tear it open again.

Just by opening my eye. That must, that hurts like a bitch, am I right?

Oh, it's excruciating. Are you like afraid to open your eyes every morning?

I am because I, you know, I have a really high pain tolerance.

Oh, yeah. So this is by far the worst pain.

Yeah, fuck that. Because I and I like slowly will open my eye in the morning now and I have to put goop on my eye at night.

Goop. Which I'm sure John is, like, loves.

Because I'm like, okay, good night, John.

And I look over and I have a goop, like, falling out of my eye.

It's like when you have conjunctivitis. But I won't have to do that after I get this laser thing.

Because the laser thing is going to fix everything.

Because the issue is that it's not healing.

So it just keeps ripping open. This laser thing is going to fix it, I guess.

But yeah, so I looked like Quasimodo for a little bit.

Fun. But that'll not happen again. Oh, you know what?

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I love the name Norma. Because it reminds me of Norma Jean Baker. wow one merlin that was really fucking very very girl of us that was very girl of us it was very valley girl of us very valley girl of us So we have Joy Megala.

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I was going to say, you are such a joy, Joy.

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Shut up. You know what? Joy brought us joy, so let's be joyful.

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My favorite little bitch is Shana Ribeiro.

And it might be Sheena, but I think it's Shana.

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Thank you, Cameron. And Cameron, thank you so much.

You're the best. We love you. You're awesome.

And I believe you're from England and that's really rad.

Pip cheerio. Again, I was trying to think of an English thing to say and I couldn't.

Pip pip cheerio. Exactly. See? Ash nailed it.

Thank you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Erin Brotherton wrote that she wants to be friends.

And we'd like to say, Erin, we're friends.

So. That happened. So thank you. Here we are in our friendship.

I have to mention, guys, how amazing you all were.

Because I was posting that negative review we got, or in case you guys didn't hear it. some random review.

I think it was from Australia, which we love Australia still, in case people listening don't know what we're talking about.

I posted on Instagram a negative review we got where somebody called us, said we were just another couple of pretentious Americans who think we're cool by swearing a lot.

Oh, and then they ended with, so not funny.

I had to post the negative review because it's fun.

Oh, yeah. When somebody really goes out of their way to tell you how not funny you are, I have to post it.

Yeah. So just know that in the future. And the response we got from our listeners.

That was the best. I was dying. I was like, you guys are fucked. fucking amazing.

Like the responses had me rolling. I felt so good afterwards.

I was like, I love this weird little tribe of listeners that we love it i love it weirdos you guys are amazing And I just had to tell you that again because I can't stop telling you how amazing you are.

Was that thunder? I don't know. Spook. I think that's really all the business we had to take care of.

Well, I read this funny thing and I just wanted to go over it real quick before we dive into this week's episode, which is going to be...

Guys, I'm fucking afraid. Trust me. But there was just some quick little news thing I saw that I was like, wow, this is kind of funny.

And she didn't tell me what it was. I didn't tell Ash what it was.

So I saw this thing where Six Flags St. Louis, there's this contest going on in October.

And I thought it was a pretty interesting contest that our listeners might appreciate.

Because I thought it was funny. So people are going to be competing for $300 and season tickets to Six Flags and then like a few other.

But this is in St. Louis. I can't do it.

In St. Louis, yeah. And all you have to do to get this is spend 30 hours in a coffin.

Nope. And he just turned around like, bitch, what the fuck you said?

Yeah, literally. So they're going to be like participants are going to be chosen.

And then they're going to spend 30 hours in a two by seven foot coffin from 1 p.m.

October 13th to 7 p.m. October 14th at the park.

And it's like celebrating the 30th year of Fright Fest, I guess.

Wow. I couldn't do that. They said they'll get brief... um bathroom breaks but that's it the rest of the 30 hours you're in the coffin what if you have to poop It's not so brief.

I guess you gotta hold it. And people are gonna get two 2019 gold season passes and stuff, but...

Then also, if two people last the 30 hours, because, like, what if, you know, they're banking on one person winning.

Yeah. If two people get it. then they do a drawing to see who gets the 300 bucks.

So you might spend 300 hours or 30 hours in a coffin.

For nothing? And not get your 300 bucks.

Fuck that. Like, I'd be pissed. But you also get to keep the coffin. the fuck would you do with a coffin you'd be like hanging up yeah let's just put it in the corner of the room Can I give some of these people a strategy if they're going to try?

Yeah, go ahead. Just take a little bit of fucking Advil PM.

You'll be out. That's my secret. It's fine.

Yeah. They're not going to test you. I mean, I would never.

I'm pretty claustrophobic. I could not. do this on any level putting me in a coffin is not a good idea I feel like I just have to smoke a lot of weed beforehand I couldn't do anything to make this okay for me.

I would fall asleep if I smoked the right amount of weed or took some Advil PM.

So there you go. But I don't know if, not for 30 hours.

Well, that's the thing. That's a long time.

That's a long time just to lay down anyways.

Yeah. But yeah, I just thought that was an interesting little tidbit.

What if somebody snucks sedatives? Snuck sedatives.

Is that what that's called? I wonder if they drug test you before you get in the coffin.

They're like, listen, Linda. You have to be clean.

I fucking know. It's like the Olympics. That you took. the shit listen i know you have the scissor so just leave linda Save this for the real heroes, okay?

The real heroes. Oh, fucking Linda. Fucking Linda, man.

And speaking of Linda. Oh. This has nothing to do with Linda.

I was like, oh, I didn't mean to do that.

Oh my god, look at that segue. What about that segue?

Let's just, let's... Let's say what our case is today, which Ash didn't know what our case was today.

So she's going to be. taking this journey right along with you guys.

Oh, and you guys are excited, but I'm not.

Let me just tell you, this is going to be scary an experience you might as well just go spend 30 hours in a coffin instead of listening to this episode so we're gonna be covering the toy box killer david parker ray i'm scared we're gonna be be doing this in two parts because the more I went into it the more I just realized there's way too much that I don't want to leave out and it's just you need to know the whole here and it's a lot to take in so I don't want to make it this big long episode that you have to digest in one serving so we're gonna we're gonna heap this out into two Okay.

Now, I'm going to go ahead and put this, I will remind you as the episode goes.

Viewer discretion is advised. To get into something rough.

But I'm going to put it out right now. This is a...

Very disturbing case. There is a lot of descriptions and mentions of sexual assaults and rape and torture.

So if that is not something you are into, I fully get it.

This reminds me of when I turn on a show on HBO and it's like...

This program contains subject matter that is not... We need that.

We really do. What did they say? Not warranted for all viewers?

It's not recommended for... Like younger audiences.

This is definitely not recommended for any young audiences at all.

So yeah, if you don't feel like this is something you're into...

You know, we'll give you something else soon.

Because we'll try to get the second half of this out soon.

You know, don't worry. We'll come right back around to something a little more jaunty.

Yeah, next week we'll have to do, like, a nice murder.

We'll do, like, a nice murder. Yeah, you know, like flowers.

Like a fun murder. Yeah, a flowery one. So here we go, guys.

No. This one is truly a hold onto your butts moment.

I have an hour to drive home, you fucker.

Yeah, this is going to be rough. So... Now, I think, I'm astounded that a lot of people don't know this case.

Including Ash. Yeah, and a lot of even like true crime fans will like find that they're like, because I remember I was listening to this on last podcast on the left, like years ago, or like a year ago or something.

And Henry was saying how he didn't know this case.

And Henry is like a big... Serial killer fan.

Henry is a big serial killer. He's a big serial killer fan.

He's a big serial killer like aficionado.

So yeah, this is one of those that's like a really deep.

You have to be really, really, really into true crime to know this one.

So don't feel bad if you don't know it. I'm surprised he's not bigger. in like more like i because this guy is top three at the least i mean he is in america or other places too i mean ever I mean, he's depraved beyond your wildest imagination.

I don't want to. I like to think of him as part BTK.

Part Robert Berdella, part Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs with a little jigsaw from Saw thrown in.

And he's like kind of living the real life version of the Firefly family farm on House of a Thousand Corpses. wow yeah so again uh it's gonna be rough so let's start shall we no david parker ray Sounds like a fucked up dude.

Sounds like a country music star. Yeah, he actually does.

He was born November 6th, 1939 in Belen, New Mexico.

Ugh, that means he's a Scorpio, I think.

There you go. No. Maybe I'm wrong. I have no idea.

I'm a Capricorn. That's all I know. Yeah.

David was created, he did have an abusive childhood.

But he was created by a different kind of abuse.

A scary kind? He was the product of severe neglect.

In childhood. Okay. Which a lot of psychologists actually believe neglect is actually... has worse consequences on a child's development than more like aggressive.

He was constantly passed around to different family members and basically his mother didn't give a shit about him.

He mainly spent a lot of time with a super aggressive and like pretty abusive and stern grandfather.

Oh, I was fucking right. He is a Scorpio.

There you go. He's a Scorpio. Sorry, continue. those bitches are crazy as a result he retreated to writing in journals for like hours at a time Which comes back later in his life.

That's too long. And he really relied on like a fantasy world.

Fantasizing was a huge thing, which happens in a lot of these cases.

These dudes end up just retreating into a fantasy world.

Now, his dad was an abusive alcoholic who was never around.

He would just drift into his life every now and then.

And when he drifted on in, he would just show up, he'd be a dick, he'd beat everyone up, and then he'd just leave a bag of magazines for David.

Thanks for coming, bro. So nice to see you again.

Magazines. Did you bring them this time?

Thanks. It's fine. Punch me in the face.

Just leave a magazine. Cool. And now these weren't just like highlights magazines.

Aw, did he leave them weird porn magazines?

He definitely did. aww dude they were torture sadomasochistic porn magazines like what images of women being bound and tortured and beat up how old was he when he was dropping these off like this was from when he was young up until teenage years.

I picked these up for you. Yeah, like here's a bag of S&M magazines.

Like not even just like a Playboy magazine?

No. They were like fucked up magazines. My dad's not a regular dad.

He's a cool dad. He's a cool dad. He leaves me sadomasochistic porn mags.

The other second graders are like, yeah, my dad brings me to the baseball games.

We have different childhoods. My dad packed me gauze and brownies.

I love it. I like that we both just said things at the same time and it described perfectly who we are as people.

My dad brought me to the baseball game. I'm like my mom packed me a Twinkie bitch.

No Captain Crunch Slurpee, but it's aight.

We're gonna need this. We're gonna need this attitude going forward.

Now, this kind of porn and this kind of fantasizing became an obsession for him.

And like most other ones we spoke of, it really shaped his ideas of sex and women.

Makes sense. Now, he was actually kind of bullied at Mountaineer High School in Mountaineer, New Mexico, where he attended because he was super shy.

He like withdrew into himself. Which is sad.

Why do people just not leave shy people alone?

Or just be like, hey, want to eat lunch with us?

Just leave them alone. They don't want to talk to you.

So he was especially shy around girls because, like, what fucking basis did he have for learning to speak to girls properly?

He's like... He was like, hey, can I tie you up sometime?

Literally, can I tie your hands behind your back?

I feel more comfortable. So because of all the awfulness in his childhood and the porn he was devouring way too fucking early.

His sexual fantasies were mainly things, you know, like raping, torturing, and even murdering women.

Awesome. That's like how he figured he was going to get his jollies off.

Sorry, where was his mom again? His mom was just, like, she just, like, didn't give a shit about him and just passed him off to his grandfather.

She didn't really raise him. So it was around this time that his sister ended up, and we'll talk about her later, because they did talk to her when they caught him later.

Because, spoiler alert, he got caught. So his sister discovered his drawings that he used to draw and he carried this into later life too.

He used to draw women, like, tortured and tied up and beaten and murdered.

That was his thing. And she found them, and she also found...

Some erotic photographs of bondage acts.

No one did anything because no one gave a shit.

Now, after he got out of high school, he worked as an auto mechanic and he also attended the army where he received an honorable discharge from it.

He worked as a general mechanic in the army.

He ended up marrying and divorcing four times.

Damn. Shocking. He had two children. They're like, yeah, stop tying me up.

Yeah, like, I'm not into this. I have no feeling in my wrists anymore.

Can we fucking have vanilla sex now? Can we just make love?

David. Oh, man. He's like, fuck you, bitch.

No? Okay. So, one of his children was a son who he named David Jr.

Oh. Imagine being him. Yeah, no thank you.

Fuck that. They talk to him later, too. It's really sad.

He's like, I changed my name. And he also had a daughter who he was pretty close to.

I don't want to know anything about that.

Named Glenda Jean Ray, who they called... jesse dolly calder jesse are they are they from the south well we're in new mexico Do you think they called her Jessi?

Or do you think they actually just called her Jessi Ray?

No, I think they were like Jessi. Jessi Ray.

Because you can't say Jessi Ray. You have to say, Jesse Ray.

You have to say it. It sounds like just a ray.

You can't just be like, oh, hello, Jesse Ray.

You have to be like, Jesse Ray. Where you at?

You're making my stomach turn a little bit.

Sorry, Jesserai. Ew. All right, so Jesserai.

And, uh... He ended up, after he got out of the army and, you know, started being an adult, kind of, he...

Started working as a park ranger and mechanic in the Elephant Butte State Park in New Mexico.

Elephant Butte? Yes, and it's spelled B-U-T-T-E, which kind of looks like elephant butt or elephant booty, but it's Butte.

No, it's booty. Elephant booty park. He was known by his coworkers.

As super chill. Super chill, though. Like, literally, these people, like, I'll get into it later how shocked they were.

Like, his boss. and I'll mention it again later because I'm sure you'll forget, but when he got arrested, his boss put him on paid leave.

Because that's how much he believed in him.

He was like, no, this is crazy. He didn't do this.

He's coming back for it. Yeah, so he really, they said he was super charming, pretty quiet, but not like too quiet.

And everyone said he was the guy who literally went out of his way to do favors for people shit like he was like a reliable dude and he would help people out and he also apparently threw like insane parties a lot I mean, I'm always down for the same party.

Ash is like, I'm on board, David Parker Ray.

I'm a hairdresser. I can do this. I'm a hairdresser.

I'll attend your party. I'm just kidding.

You don't want to attend his parties. Nope.

So clearly no one knew that he also happened to be one of the rarest types of sinister personality types, which is a sexual sadist.

Oh, no. This is someone like Ted Bundy, for example, who can literally only get off... by having another living person being tortured or put through some kind of immense pain and suffering.

Can you imagine if that was the only way that you could do your thing?

And apparently... There was a thing where they found out that he had contacted like someone at Viagra customer support when he was young, like a teenager.

Because he couldn't get it up? No, because he asked them if Viagra would help him achieve an erection without having to hurt someone.

And Viagra was like, red flag. And Viagra was like, uh, sorry, the connection's really bad.

You know, and they're like, we're recording your call for customer service.

They were like, did you hear that warning?

No? Okay, bye. Bye, little David. But yeah, he literally wanted to find out.

So that's how bad... bad it was for him when he was a teenager.

He was like, will this help me be normal, achieve a normal?

That makes me sad because it's not his fault at that point.

He was conditioned. Right. He was programmed.

I mean, you don't have to. And he was literally being like, will this help me just have sex with someone without hurting them?

I'd be like, no, but a psychologist might.

I'd be like, I need to go. It's my lunch break now.

So the other person that's going to be involved in this case is a little lady named Cindy Hindy.

Shut the fuck up. Shut up right now. No.

Sindahinde. Sindahinde. Shut the fuck up.

Hi, I'm Cindy Hinder. See? So, Cindy Hinder.

Shut the fuck up. Who does that mean? It's his much younger girlfriend.

Oh, how much younger? Who participated in some of this.

She's not crazy younger, but... Much younger than him, okay.

So send a handy. Shut the fuck up. That's her last name.

Her first name is Sydney Hindi and her last name is shut the fuck up.

It's hyphenated. Yeah. So, Cindy grew up in a nightmare as well.

Yeah, because her fucking mom named her Cindy Hindi.

Yeah, it's like, come on. Nightmare on day one.

She was born on February 6th, 1969 in Seattle, Washington.

Mm-hmm. She was pretty much ignored throughout her childhood by her beauty pageant obsessed mother.

Oh no. Her mother didn't put her in beauty pageants.

She herself was in Beanie Pageants. So it wasn't like a honey boo boo child?

It was not a honey boo boo child. It was not a Cinda Hinda child.

Oh, no. She could have benefited. She could have.

She could have had a TLC special with some cheese puffs.

She could have used that. But yeah, she just didn't pay attention to her.

She was psychologically and sexually abused previously.

And at one point, throughout her childhood, her stepfather sexually abused her, molested her.

And at 11 years old, she finally got the courage to tell her mother.

And her mom didn't give a fuck. Her mother, the stepfather was like, I didn't do that.

And so the mother decided to choose the stepfather and kicked her out of the house at 12.

Where do you go? So your 11-year-old comes up to you and is like, yeah, the dude you married has been sexually assaulting me for years.

And you're like, yeah, I think you should just leave. like you little 12 year old 12 year old so she ended up on the streets of seattle at 12 years old And she started dealing and doing cocaine pretty young and being just a super violent human.

She started doing cocaine at like 12? Pretty much. she went through a ton of awful violent relationships with dudes and she was she was tiny at like 105 pounds because she was doing fucking coke all the time.

But she was apparently like pure muscle.

Really? Like everyone who knew her said she was fucking pure muscle.

Or was she just in a coke rage all the time?

Probably. It's probably a little mixture.

She was just lifting cars everywhere. And several people close to her at different times in her life, including ex-boyfriends, said she could easily beat the shit out of a 250-pound person.

Wow, good for her. Yeah. I mean, well, like now, but she did end up having a son at 16 years old while living out on the streets.

And by her late 20s, she ended up having two more children, two daughters.

Oh, wow. And by two, three different dudes.

Yikes. So she obviously couldn't take care of them because like, why are you having kids while living on the streets and doing copious amounts of cocaine?

I don't know. But so when the youngest was like 10 years old, she just sent them away to live with their grandparents.

Her mom. You know, the really good grandparents.

And her dad that raped her. Well, her stepdad.

You know, give them a proper home. A plus childhood.

So in 1997, she got in some deep shit for selling cocaine to an undercover agent.

Oh, no. So this was at around 37 years old.

Oh, no, girl. So after this bust, she was ordered to take a drug course, and she wasn't going to do any of that.

And she was like, let me tell you, I know a lot about drugs.

She was like, you know what? I'm not going to do that.

She's like, I could teach this course. Exactly.

So after bailing on her kids, she left Seattle for New Mexico.

And she became like a huge bar rat and just a piece of shit by this point.

So she got busted for a DUI and was sentenced to 30 days in jail with six months probation and 50 hours community service almost immediately.

Yeah. arriving at Truth or Consequences, New Mexico.

That's the actual name of the town. Truth or Consequences, New Mexico.

That's crafty. Right? I guess it was named after, like, a radio show.

What the fuck? Yeah, that, like, said...

If a town named themselves after their radio show, they would broadcast there or something.

And they were like, yeah. But then it becomes very ominous when a serial killer starts doing his thing there.

So she performed her community service at the state park where one David Parker Ray worked.

Oh, and he was like, look at that cute little Cinderella.

This is where she met him. And they became regulars at the Blue Water Saloon, which is a place where a lot of, you know, bar where lots of locals and parks employees live. hung out regularly sounds like a lifetime and they hit it right off because one of the biggest things they shared was a love of sadism oh she liked that too It's a real love story.

Yeah. It's a real love story. This is the original notebook. is it did they just like re-script the whole thing they tweaked it a bit yeah But it's basically the same.

So by January 1999... Wait, they're like, Cindy Hendy doesn't work for the female role.

We're going to change her to Allie. You know, I had no idea what that girl's name was.

I was going to say, instead of Cindy Hendy, it's... But I didn't know her name.

It's Allie. I saw that movie once. I think it's Allie.

I have no idea. I hate that movie. I'm pretty sure it's Noah and Allie.

I think The Notebook is a terrible movie. um i'm not a huge fan either i don't hate it as much as you do but i saw it once and that was it In high school, I used to watch it if a boy broke up with me and then I was like, what am I doing dating boys?

What am I doing dating boys? Love it. So by January 1999, Cindy moved into David's house of whores.

Good. They were only together for eight months when this thing is all said and done.

Damn, that's not a lot of time. But the love story remains.

Okay. So Cindy Hindy and David Parker Ray are living together in this house.

David Parker Ray did his thing, which we're going to get into, for what authorities believe could be like 40 years.

Wait, how old was he? He was like 57, I want to say.

So he started when he was, I don't math.

A teenager. And they believe in that time he may have kidnapped, tortured, and murdered.

Somewhere between 40 and 60 women. What the fuck?

So he's, like, prolific. Now, why do they feel so sure about this?

Because David Parker Ray kept detailed, meticulous diaries.

All through adulthood. He started that shit when he was young to escape his household and his family, and he continued it.

Whoa. Now, he didn't just keep diaries of like, today I had Eggs Benedict and a very weak cup of coffee.

Your girl loves an eggs, Benny. I had no idea.

I don't love a weak coffee. No, I hate weak coffee.

But his diaries were records of his crimes that included dates, times, locations of where the kidnap happened.

Like a fucking confessional? And literally the victims with detailed descriptions of their stay in his house of horrors and the torture he inflicted upon them.

Oh, so they stayed in his house? Oh, yes.

So she did know. She had no way out of it.

Oh, yeah. Trust me. Ew. I don't want to do this.

You're here. You're here. You're with me.

This is like when you show up to school because you think that you have like a cool assembly. and then you get there and it's like and you're like I don't want to be a part of this about like not smoking weed and you're just like why are we here this is your assembly about not smoking weed I feel like this is your assembly about not torturing fellow human beings.

And I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna. Well, he would not just describe in detail what he did to these women and how he took them and everything.

He would write about whether they were turned loose... after he tortured them or whether he was killed them, but he never wrote where he put the bodies.

Wait, so he would turn people loose? Some people he let go.

A lot? And you'll find out why more of them didn't come forward or even know. in sometimes what happened no what oh god start talking it's gonna get intense he never wrote where he put the bodies Now, this guy, he was smart.

I mean, he was a mechanic. Well, they are. he put together a lot he could he could build things like you know he and he could engineer things very well And he was just smart about what he was doing, unfortunately.

And no bodies have ever been found in this case.

Ever? But it's because one... He never wrote down where he put the bodies.

And two, he lived next to a large expanse of desert, which we'll get into in a little bit. in one of the largest man-made lakes in the United States.

Did they check the desert and the lake, though?

Many places to put those bodies. Well, they did, but you can only...

Check so much of it. It's like you can't get every square inch of the desert.

So he was also, as we'll get into in a little bit, he was also, he was a drifter for a while.

He didn't stay in one place for a long period of time.

So let's just set a scene. Okay. On March 22nd, 1999...

At 322 p.m., a 911 operator in Sierra County, New Mexico, received a kind of weird call.

Mm-hmm. It came from a residence in the area, but the caller wasn't responding when she answered the phone.

All she could make out was what was clearly a scuffle and a fight happening, and the phone was clearly off the hook.

The caller eventually hung up, but the operator was like, All right, something was weird.

So she called the number back. A woman answered and she was annoyed out of breath.

It's clear something was going on. And she told the dispatcher that she had accidentally phoned 911 and that everything was just fine.

But it wasn't. And then hung up really quick.

So the dispatcher had her instincts firing at fucking maximum velocity that day because she was like, nope.

So she called the local police, she reported the situation, and she requested a welfare check at this address.

So it was Deputy David Alston. that was sent out to 513 Bass Road.

It's located in Elephant Butte, New Mexico. booty elephant booty new mexico i want to live there no i don't now truth or consequences or uh t or c is what the locals call it It's tiny.

Very tiny. It consists of mostly trailers with dirt roads.

Are we moving? Yes. To true their consequences?

Yes. We're just leaving. We're just gonna, like, take off.

Up and go. Yeah, we're just gonna up and go.

Sick. So... Let's do our first live show there from Truth or Consequences in a trailer.

Hey, guys. We have Jesseray with us. No, we don't.

We do not. No, thank you. So it sits along the vast Chichuan.

Chichuan? Chichuan. Chichuan Desert. Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chia.

Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chia Desert. Want to sponsor us?

That'd be awesome. So that desert is the third largest desert of the Western Hemisphere and the second largest in North America.

Okay. Just after the Great Basin Desert.

Okay. Geography. It offers the more depraved among us a lot of caves and just wide expanse of nothingness to hide. terrible things freaking great so that's good so side note uh elephant bootay is tiny With a population of like maybe a thousand people or so.

And it's supposed to just be like a chill place that people go to like retire from.

All right, what happened? Who answered the door at the welfare check?

Oh, it's coming. I don't care about geography.

I dropped out of college. I'm setting the scene.

It's very close to Elephant Butte Lake, which is that big lake I was telling you about.

And if you don't run into David Parker Ray, it's a great place to retire, like I was saying.

All right, cool. It also sits next to Elephant Butte State Park, which is the largest state park in New Mexico.

Where Dave worked. That also happens to be where David Parker Ray lived.

Was gainfully employed as a state park ranger and a mechanic.

Probably wouldn't go there, but there's dead bodies.

Yeah. Oh, for sure. So, we're going. We're not there yet.

Is that at the end? No, it's coming. So, while this Deputy Olsten is on his way- You're rude.

To the residence, okay? Two state park employees-

Chris DeGasse and Michael Lanford hear that some stuff is going down on the police radio that they had in the office.

They just set off to offer Deputy Olsen assistance.

Oh, wow. Together. So they knew he was doing the welfare check.

They're like, have no fear. Park Rangers are here.

When they got near the address... Dun-dun-dun.

And when she came over and started to speak with them, she was upset, she was flustered.

And she said she had just seen a naked woman...

Covered in blood with a chain around her neck running down the road.

What the fuck? Yes. they had this woman that was telling them to stay where she was.

And since more police were coming, they just left her there and were like, you stay here, police are coming. you we're gonna go to where this is because it might be connected spooky So they ended up being the first to arrive at 513 Bass Road that day before Deputy Olson.

Now, this house was exactly what you're picturing in your brain right now.

Yeah. Like, guaranteed. It was sitting behind a metal chain link fence with a beware of dog sign on it.

Oh, no. Which, um... No, nobody technically hurt.

I'm not going to mention a dog being hurt or anything like that.

But later, probably in episode two, there's some fucked up shit with the dog.

No. Just warning. I didn't sign up for this.

I know. Nobody did. Right in front of the fence was a wooden sign like the kind you would see marking in state parks.

And it said, David P. Ray, 513 Bass Road.

The house itself was gross, dirty, ramshackle, fucking single story place with a flat metal roof.

Just like a scary-ass Texas chainsaw massacre.

Like House Hunters. 100%. I'm looking for this.

So... I'm looking for this. My budget is $6.

My budget is this old shoe. around it was just like shit.

There were just piles of garbage, remnants of semi-truck trailers, boats, like old ass boats sheds were like decrepit everywhere like davy ray clean up your shit like david needed to get it together But when DeGasse and Lanford came, like, they walked up to the house, they knocked on the door, no one appeared to be home.

While they were waiting for the police to show...

Something else came through. No. The scanner.

911 received another call. that a naked, bloody woman with a chain around her neck was running down another road in the area.

Why didn't she knock on anyone's door? Well, she was trying, but most of the doors she knocked on, no one was home.

And then she was trying to get into people's cars as they passed, trying to flag people but people were, like, accelerating.

Can you fucking imagine a naked bloody woman trying to get in your car?

Well, that's, it's like, you gotta look out for number one.

That's like a, like, do you stop? No. I'm sorry.

You don't help people. I'm sorry. That, no.

Yeah, because you don't know. Girl. Like, maybe she's just trying to... I'm gonna report it?

For sure. Oh my god, that's like the fucking lady I drove by.

Exactly. Oh, I just got chills. You're gonna report that shit?

Like, right away? Yeah. But you're not coming in my car, girl.

I don't know what you're bringing. I don't know what's following you.

No. That reminds me of the movie It Follows.

And I feel really bad. Yeah. So Deputy Olson, they're listening to this 911 and they're like, what the hell's going on right now?

Yeah. Why has this happened? I'm on the edge of my motherfucking seat.

So Deputy Alston finally arrives at the residence.

DeGasse and Lanford told him that no one seemed to be home, and Alston was like, what the fuck?

Someone just called 9-1-1 from inside of this residence.

Like, was it the naked body woman? A few minutes ago.

Wow. Or was it Cinda Hinda? Oh, Let's see.

Call me. So send him. So Sierra County Sheriff's arrived on the scene now.

And the four of them were like, let's just search the perimeter.

So they searched the perimeter of the home.

And then they entered because they were able to be just to make sure no one was in there. like needed assistance that was their like probable cause to get in there they didn't have a warrant yet so they couldn't do a full search oh shit but no one was in there They did find some interesting stuff.

Tell me. Every window was covered in a heavy dark shade that kept all the light and visibility out of the house.

Sounds like my room. The living room contained was like dirty, dark. just shit on the floor, like just awful, like hoarder style grossness.

Sounds like my room before I moved out. Exactly.

Hopefully the comparison stops here. Okay.

The living room contained a bed in the corner of the room.

A weird, out of place bed. Okay. There was broken glass around it and a broken lamp near it as well.

More horrific was the fact that the mattress was completely stained in blood.

And there was a bloody ice pick laying on the floor next to the bed.

What's an ice pick again? It's what they used in I Know What You Did Last Summer.

Right, we talked about this. And it's what they use, like, on, you know, like, when Barry's trying to scare Max, why I remember all these names, and he, like, Yep, got ya.

So now in each of the four corners of the bed, there were shackles and padlocks. arranged in a way that would keep someone spread-eagle if they were attached to them.

Above this bed was a pulley kind of system where chains and hooks were dangling from, and against the wall near it was a human-sized box that resembled a makeshift coffin.

When they opened this box, there were restraints and shackles in it, clearly to hold someone in there.

That was just the six flags thing. Yeah, that's all.

It was for the event. Like, they were just ahead of this.

Right. Yeah, I get it. They were just giving them free tickets.

They were. They were just giving them season passes.

To Six Flags. And $300, okay? If... Nobody else won.

If they were the only winner. I mean... Probably shouldn't compare people's fucking struggles in this house to that, but... comedic relief you know what gallows humor is necessary here Now, obviously a scuffle of some kind happened here, but like, what the fuck was this bed and all the shit around it?

I couldn't be a police officer because I'd be like, you know what?

Bye. Like, I retire. Yeah. Day one. Bye.

Another look around the room revealed a pegboard on the wall, like a corkboard.

Okay. But, like. Yeah, where you put your fun pictures in your dorm room.

Yeah, your bulletins. Or what was there?

On it were a bunch of hanging torture devices.

Most appeared to be like DIY jobs, like jagged scrap metal shops.

You know, like things you find on Pinterest.

Yeah, you know. And when I said DIY jobs, I shimmied.

She did. I'm not sure why. I think I'm just... DIY jobs.

I'm having a moment right now. I don't know.

I'm uncomfortable. So going further into the home, in one of the bedrooms, There were two giant chains hanging from the ceiling with more hooks, restraints, and chains around them.

The walls were covered in photos of hardcore disturbing pornography mixed with crude drawings of women being tortured.

There was also a bed and a dresser. The top of the dresser was covered in a myriad of spooky, disturbing shit. including pliers, scissors, clips, clamps, harnesses, muzzles, and various sex toys in all shapes and sizes.

Is that the photo you posted? Nope. Okay.

Oh, that was another thing. So now BDSM is fine.

If two or more consenting adults want to get... freaky then like by all means live your spooky life live your kinky life but this was like not just a kinky household this was sinister as fuck and you will find out why

Well, if there's no blood, it's like one thing, but if there's blood, you're like... Well, and again, consenting adults do what you want, by all means.

Like, have your BDSM fun. I support you.

But this was not that. So I don't want this to be confused with people who... enjoy bdsm right right right now how do i know that this was not just bdsm fun because Well, as this is being discovered, another 911 call comes in.

From a woman who said, I'm calling for a young lady that just ran into my house.

She says she's just been raped. She's got a chain on her. send someone right away.

This lady is naked. She says they've been holding her for three days.

Oh my God, this poor girl. That we wouldn't let into our car.

Right? I'm sorry, girl. So, Sierra County Deputy Peter...

I think it was, responded to this 911 call because now they're having to send people everywhere because it's like naked women.

There's just like all kinds of craziness.

And when he arrived... Good for this girl, though, like, breaking out.

Oh, however she did. Wait until you hear how she did it.

It's amazing. So this girl was, the way she maintained her brain here is unbelievable.

And so this guy responded to this call. He went to the residence that they called from to say she was there. and he said there was an elderly man waving him to the residence.

Oh, he was like an old couple? Yes. He said his name was Donald and that this random naked woman with a chain on her neck had literally barged into their home in a blind panic.

Oh, my God. And was begging them to help her.

His wife, Darlene, was the one who immediately called 911 and he said she was in there helping the woman and trying to calm her down.

As he was telling the officer this, the woman ran out the front door towards the officer wearing a pink robe that they had draped around her because they're just like fucking good people man yeah and the officer could she see she was cut bruised beaten blood all over her oh my god She also had a metal collar around her neck that was closed with a padlock.

There was a chain attached to this that was somewhere around five feet long.

Holy shit. When she ran out of the house, she literally screamed to the officer, please don't let them get me.

Oh my god, this poor girl. Now this woman was 22-year-old Cynthia Vigil.

Oh. She ended up being the last known survivor of David Parker Ray and his girlfriend, 39-year-old Cindy Hinde.

She was kidnapped by the pair days earlier and said they chained her up in their home.

She said she was repeatedly raped and viciously tortured throughout the experience. oh no at the time she didn't know the address of where she was held but she had seen their faces and knew that the people holding her went by dave and cindy oh she also said to the police officer she pointed to him and said he's one of you Because he was a park ranger and their uniforms looked a lot like police.

And he pretended to be a cop to kidnap her.

Oh, no fucking way. So she thought he was one of them.

I'm gonna get into, like, some more details about her abduction in a minute.

Um... It's intense. So now another parks ranger named Byron Wilson was getting ready to leave for the day at this time.

And he's like, now I can't fucking go. He heard commotion on the scanner about the naked woman in the Nightmare on Bass Street.

And he knew that address was a parks employee's home.

So he decided to try and compass him and help as well, because apparently the state.

Parks employees are like, dun-dun-dun-dun.

Yeah. And as he drove there, he passed a cream-colored motorhome RV with two people inside, and He was like, oh, I know that driver.

It was 59-year-old co-worker David Parker Ray and his girlfriend Cindy.

He... So he just passed by them. They waved to each other.

And he went to the residence. And he noticed that it was David Gregory's property.

And he was like, oh, shit, I just passed him.

They're probably fleeing. So he told the police and they raced to the area where he just came from to try to approach them from all sides and like catch up with them.

It ended up being Wilson that found them again, the same guy that had passed by them.

Oh, shit. Yeah, because he joined the police.

He was like, oh, shit, I just saw them. They thought, I think they thought they were going to try to escape through the desert.

Yeah. But they ended up just like going through town like idiots.

Well, their name is fucking Cindy Hindi and Dave Array.

So it was Wilson, the park ranger, who got them to pull over. and a bunch of other police surrounded them as well and he was ordered to step out of the vehicle like on the loudspeaker and all that And he, David Parker Ray yelled back, this isn't necessary.

I'd be like, uh, have you seen your house, bro?

I've seen your collection of dildos. This is very necessary.

Sir, you've got a real problem on your hands.

Pretty necessary, David. He finally got out and was immediately arrested.

Cindy got out as well, but she was bleeding.

She had a huge gash above her left ear and was immediately arrested as well.

She was taken to a hospital. David was taken to Richard R. Cooper Boat Safety Training Center that was located in the state park.

Because it was closer and apparently had better resources than the local police department.

That's alarming. It's troubling. But whatever.

Now, this was a huge case for this place.

They had no idea how to handle it. I mean, who knows how to handle this, really.

Right. So they called on the New Mexico State Police for assistance.

The state police criminal investigator, Wesley LaQuester. arrived at around 6pm to the place where they were holding him.

He immediately told everyone, do not talk to him.

The first person we need to hear from is Cynthia Vigil.

The girl, the woman. So Cynthia was at the hospital this whole time, obviously.

As soon as they got her, they brought her right to the hospital.

Yeah, she needs to get treated. The entire time she had been there since like 4 p.m., she just repeated over and over, I'm safe here to herself over and over again.

So she was just sitting there going, I'm safe here.

Oh, that made me like want to cry. She hadn't eaten for days.

Oh my God. Oh my God. That really actually made me want to cry.

I know. Right. Right. oh you're safe girl like you're safe oh I actually just got an overwhelming sense of pride she's safe and she's a badass i mean this woman a lot of emotion it's she's i have no idea how her brain functioned on such a high level do they give her some food So she hadn't eaten for days, so they did feed her, but she immediately threw it up because not eating for days.

Yeah, it fucks you up. She was covered from head to toe in cuts and bruises.

She had a lot of external injuries, like burns, puncture wounds, cuts, bruising, but none of them were fatal.

Okay, good. The collar was actually the thing that was causing her the most pain. distress, and the hospital had to have a maintenance worker cut it off of her with bolt cutters.

Well, yeah, because she, I mean, duh. It was literally like padlocked onto her.

And when it came off, she launched it across the room.

Like, immediately. Wow. It came off and she threw it across the room.

Because it's like almost like a significance.

Oh, 100%. You're not a prisoner anymore.

Well, and when it came off, they said she like immediately calmed down.

Like, as soon as that thing came off of her.

Yeah. I just had to take a deep breath. So this is where shit is crazy.

Yeah. So if you this blew my mind. If you remember, Cindy Hindi came out of that RV with a gashing head wound.

Oh, my God. Are they at the same fucking hospital?

And they brought her to the hospital. shut the fuck up this is a movie was brought to the same hospital for treatment and they escorted cindy hendy right past cynthia in the hospital And did she start screaming?

Cynthia saw her and freaked out. She started screaming, that's her, don't let her in, she's here for me, screaming.

Oh my god, can you fucking imagine you get away from these people and the fucking bitch that let this happen is right there?

Is walking right by you? Oh my god. So Cindy...

When she was walked past Cynthia, Cindy Hindi, Cindy Hindi informed the doctors and nurses that she'd been hit in the head with a lamp.

And she was treated and released back into police custody.

Okay. Before they got her out... She pointed at Cynthia and said, that girl should be checked because the bitch is on heroin.

She was then brought to where David was at the training center.

Did they inject heroin into her? No. Okay, good.

This is when Cynthia was interviewed by the police because the police got there and remember the police investigator was like, We need to go talk to Cynthia.

Why did she say she was on heroin? Is that going to make sense?

Yeah, it is. So they wanted Cynthia to be able to talk as soon as possible for like the most accuracy, because obviously it's better when you get it fresh.

She, so she admitted to the police that she had lost her mother at a young age.

She was very close to her mother. She turned to drugs as a way to cope.

She'd become estranged from most of her family and was working as a sex worker to get by.

She admitted that specifically she was a heroin user and had used it two days before her abduction.

Oh, no. So she admitted that. Now, this will come back as to why Cindy Hendy yelled that.

It'll come back later. You'll hear it. Okay.

Now we're going to go back to her abduction.

We're going to tell you about it. This is what she told the police.

On March 20th, somewhere between 10 and 11am, she had been walking to a restaurant in Albuquerque.

She was passing through a parking lot and she ran into someone who she was like kind of familiar with.

This guy pointed to a motorhome parked nearby. and said, like, that dude in there would like to hire you for your services for the evening.

So she was like, I don't have money. I need money.

And she went over to the motorhome. She said the man behind the wheel was older, tan, and had very wrinkly skin from, like, sun-baked skin.

Uh-huh. slicked back gross like light hair and a bushy mustache The exact description of David Parker Ray.

Oh, no. They discussed Price. He introduced himself as Dave, and she said he was normal, very nice, everything was fine.

Once they left the parking lot, he showed her a badge and said he was an undercover cop and she was under arrest for solicitation.

So when he did this, Cindy Hindi appeared from behind a curtain behind her and tried to handcuff her, but she fought because she was like, you, guys you're not a fucking cop so she started fighting well he had to pull the motor home over and david got one handcuffed on her wrists and then dragged her into the back of the rv oh god he tried to handcuff her to a pipe that was fitted in the back of the rv But she kept fucking fighting.

So Cindy busted out a cattle prod and threatened her with it.

So he chained her to the pipe. And kept driving with Cindy now in the passenger seat.

A cattle prod? Yes, a cattle prod. And well, Cynthia was not going down just yet.

She kept messing with her restraints, the handcuffs, and she noticed that the screws that were holding the pipe to the floor were loosening. as she was fucking with them.

So she started slowly turning each of them until she took them all out.

Oh my god. She was able to slip off the pipe, but right as she did that, the motorhome stopped at a traffic light.

She didn't know that was going to happen.

She like fell into a and made a sound. The noise got Cindy up out of her seat and she went by there and used the cattle prod to...

To make her compliant. They then stripped her naked, duct taped her mouth, and chained her to another part of the motorhome.

Oh, God. no she said the drive was very long and when they stopped once for gas cindy used a gun and warned her that if she screamed they'd just kill her So when they finally got to Rae's home, it ended up being 150 miles from where they abducted her.

So she was back there naked with duct tape over her mouth and chained to something for 150 miles.

They pulled the RV right up to the house so that she couldn't get a look at what was going on.

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They had shackled her ankles and they forced her into the house really quickly.

She was then led down a hallway to a living room, she said, with brown striped wallpaper.

Gross. She said a bed was tucked in the corner among trash and other gross fucking hills have eyes type shit.

This is when the metal collar was put around her neck.

So right away. I'm so stressed out right now.

The end of the five foot chain that was attached to that was chained to a hook on the wall over the bed.

She was then forced down on the bed and was chained to the four corners, like Spread Eagle.

They then blindfolded and gagged her. She suddenly heard a tape recorder turn on.

What? So I'm going to read some of this.

Please don't. It's really bad. It's really bad.

I'm only going to read some of it. I'm going to leave the rest.

If you want to find it, you can find it.

There's transcripts everywhere. The actual audio I don't think is out there.

No thanks. So they played this for their victims, like, right as they got them there?

Yes. This was what every victim was played when they were, as soon as they got there.

Like, I'm sorry, you're not running a fucking carnival.

It starts out... No, this is like horror movie shit.

No, it literally is. This is a horror movie.

This is Jigsaw. So it says, hello there, bitch.

Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.

Wrists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded.

You're disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine.

Perfectly normal under the circumstances.

For a little while, at least, you need to get your shit together and listen to this tape.

It is very relevant to your situation. I'm going to tell you in detail why you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen to you, and how long you'll be here.

I don't know the details of your capture because this tape is being created July 23, 1993.

This was 1999. Oh, my God. And she's like, oh, great.

As a general advisory tape for future female captives.

The information I'm going to give you is based on my experience dealing with captives over a period of several years.

Now, you are obviously here against your will.

Totally helpless. Don't know where you're at.

Don't know what's going to happen to you.

You're very scared or very pissed off. I'm sure that you've already tried to get your wrists and ankles loose and know you can't.

Now you're just waiting to see what's going to happen next.

You probably think you're going to be raped, and you're fucking sure right about that.

Our primary interest is what you've got between your legs.

Ew! You'll be raped thoroughly and repeatedly.

That's pretty rough. I'm not going to read it.

You can find that if you want to. Because basically you've been snatched and brought here for us to train and use as a sex slave.

Sound kind of far out? Well I suppose it is to the uninitiated, but we do it all the time.

It's going to take a lot of adjustment on your part and you're not going to like it one fucking bit.

But I don't give a big fucking rat's ass about that.

It's not like you're going to have any choice in the matter.

You've been taken by force and you're going to be kept and used by force.

What this amounts to is that you're going to be kept naked and chained up like an animal to be used and abused anytime we want, any way that we want. okay can we stop now and you might as well be getting used to it because you're gonna be kept here until such time as we get fucking tired of you Okay.

And we will eventually in a month or two, maybe three.

It's no big deal. My lady friend and I have been keeping sex slaves for years.

We both have kinky hang-ups involving rape, dungeon games, etc.

We found it extremely convenient to keep one or two female captives available constantly to, uh, satisfy our particular needs.

I'm not gonna go. That's it. That's it. That's it.

We're done. We're done. That's a wrap. That's a wrap.

If you want to read it yourself, go ahead.

Bye. That's a fucking trip. Yeah. I'm going to circle back to this transcript at one point.

No, that's okay. I'm not going to read the whole thing.

But I am going to read another small part of it when it becomes relevant.

I'm emotional. Basically, these women, that's what she heard. and she heard a lot more than that that was a very small snippet of how long was it it's a real it's a real long and she's looking at it right now what the fuck there's like two sides so close it i don't want the words out Close it.

And that was not... Close it. That was not the bad stuff.

You have no idea what comes after that. No, I don't.

I'm never gonna. That was not the bad stuff.

I'm gonna barf. Yeah. So, Cynthia said, quote, the way he talked, I didn't feel like this was his first time.

It was like he knew what he was doing. He told me I was never going to see my family again.

He told me he would kill me like the others.

So her ordeal was fucking horrific. She was led into a room at one point with whips and other torture equipment with... mixed in with like legitimate medical equipment like that i use in autopsies like scalpels and shit And like forceps, all that kind of stuff.

She was hung by chains that were attached to the ceiling and was sexually assaulted and tortured while hanging in the chains.

They used an old motor that was attached to her by clamps and cables and used it to administer electric shocks to her for extended periods of time.

It was so bad that she would pass out several times as a result.

What the fuck? said that when they were not actively sexually assaulting and torturing her, they would chain her to the bed by all four limbs and her neck while they just sat next to her on the couch and watched TV.

Like, casually. Like when they would get breaks where they didn't feel like sexually assaulting her or torturing her, they would just watch TV with her chained up next to them.

What? Throughout the whole thing. How does that happen in your life?

Throughout the whole thing, David Parker Ray took multiple photographs of the torture while it was happening.

He also showed her photos of other women he had done this to.

March 22nd, the third day she was there and saw David Parker Ray wearing a uniform she thought was a police officer's uniform.

Obviously it was a park ranger uniform. Before he left for work, he told Cynthia that he had a surprise for her.

His toy box. This had been discussed vaguely a bunch of other times around Cynthia, but she had no idea what it was.

But she had heard the word toy box. So before he left, Ray thought Cynthia had to be too weak and exhausted to try anything, so he removed the chains from her legs and arms, but left the collar. that was attached to the wall.

The whole time she was alone with Cindy for the whole day.

Cindy just sat around and watched TV mostly because she's a big fucking low-fass.

And at one point around 3 p.m. that day, the phone rang and Cindy answered it.

She placed the keys to Cynthia's restraints down on the coffee table.

Moron. Cindy was just talking on the phone and... she just like walked into the other room while chatting.

Cynthia took this moment to stretch her leg out to the table, and once she got it, she hooked her foot around it and pulled the whole table towards her.

She grabbed the keys, and instead of immediately unlocking her restraints like anybody else would...

She took a second to think and she was like, Cindy could walk into this fucking room at any second.

And I need to be smart about this if I'm going to make this work.

So Cynthia slowly started pushing the table back to where it originally was.

Because she was like, if Cindy walks back in, she's gonna see that table moved if I don't move it back.

And if she doesn't see it moved, then she might not notice that she put those keys there.

Nothing will be a mess, right? Well, as her leg was outstretched to push the table back.

Cindy suddenly walked back into the room.

She saw her. She was fucking pissed. She drops the phone and lunges at Cynthia.

So she tried to get the keys from her hand, but she couldn't because Cynthia was like, no way.

So she grabbed a nearby lamp and... hit cynthia in the head with it oh good no oh no no bad fuck cynthia and cindy cindy hindi hit cynthia in the head with the lamp bad Good.

So she got... a lamp shattered over her head and she kept fighting.

Like, that kills somebody. Oh, yeah. While they wrestled, Cynthia grabbed the phone that had dropped on the floor and dialed 911.

Oh, my God. this was the call that was originally answered where they heard all the scuffle.

When Cindy went to end the call, Cynthia grabbed an ice pick that was just casually laying on the fucking floor.

I was going to say she had lots of tools.

And slashed her on the back of the head with it.

She was now Cindy Hindi is dazed and bleeding immediately.

So Cynthia took that opportunity to quickly unlock her chain and run out of the fucking house.

Holy shit. She had no idea where she was.

She was 150 miles from where she was taken.

She hadn't seen during the drive where she went.

Right. So she literally has no idea where she's going.

She finally sees Donald and Darlene's mobile home and she ran into the door and begged Darlene not to let them get her.

Darlene said, the woman who helped her, she said, quote, her wrists looked like hamburger meat.

She had beautiful long brown hair and it was all matted with blood.

She was dirty all over, her breasts were black and blue, and there were more bruises all over her arms and legs.

Donald heard the commotion and ran out of the bedroom to see this whole thing.

When she saw Donald, Cynthia begged him to take the collar off her neck. like immediately was like, please get this off my neck.

But he said he wanted, he really wanted to.

But he didn't know how. He said he felt it was also something the police should probably do because he was like, something happened here.

I don't want to tamper with what's going on.

Yeah. He was like, I really want to take this off of you.

I just, I don't think I can. So he was the one who grabbed the pink bathrobe to cover her with.

While Darlene called 911. And while they waited for the police to come, Cynthia hid shivering under the kitchen table.

Oh my god. That's how scared she was. Now, this whole interview where Cynthia told this whole thing was done by the criminal investigator Wesley LeQuester.

After he spoke with her and heard all this, he went back to where David Parker Ray and Cindy Hindi were being held in separate rooms. at the boat safety training center.

I hope they hurt them so badly. They both claimed that they did kidnap Cynthia.

But they claimed it was for the purpose of aiding her in kicking her heroin addiction.

Oh, yeah. You know, by like chaining her to a bed and beating the fuck out of her.

Well, they just were trying to get her through the super rough withdrawal period.

Obviously. Ash, stop judging, okay? Stop judging.

I hate when people do horrible shit and they're not like, I didn't do horrible shit.

Well, no one bought this because it's the dumbest story ever.

Yeah. Like it doesn't make any sense. And she's like covered in horrible bruises.

Yeah, it literally did. And one walk into that house.

And like we saw your house. Yeah. So both of them were charged with one count of kidnapping, one count of assault, one count of criminal sexual penetration, and two counts of conspiracy.

After being charged, they were transported to the Sierra County Criminal Detention Center, and that's when they stopped cooperating.

They stopped talking. March 23rd at 7.30pm, the search warrant for David Parker Ray's property was officially approved.

Where do you think that they put all the shit that they find in people's houses?

How do they get rid of it? Well, they don't get rid of it.

It goes in an evidence locker. Oh yeah, that was a really dumb question.

It was, but I love you. Thank you. I'm just like really like not okay.

Well, this is a lot. I'm emotional. This is a lot.

Yeah. So this was like a double wide trailer basically.

It was disgusting and cluttered with trash and gross shit.

It had a master bedroom, a smaller bedroom, a kitchen, a living room, and a bathroom.

The clothing that Cynthia was wearing the day she was kidnapped was found in the bedroom, along with a ton of other things.

There were actually 401 items that did not belong to David or Cindy.

Lots of women's jewelry, among other items like women's clothing and women's accessories.

401 items. Now, this house sounds like a fucking nightmare, right?

You have not heard the worst of it, my friend.

What's the toy box? Beside the house was a large 25-foot white semi-truck trailer.

A huge steel deadbolt was locked on the door.

A locksmith was brought in to unlock it, and what they found in there...

One of the walls was what I posted a photo of on our Instagram.

And is that the toy box? Yes, that's just one corner of the toy box.

This was David Parker Ray's toy box. When you walked in, signs were on the wall that said Satan's Den and the Bondage Room.

For good reason. The main feature of this toy box was a DIY gynecologist chair.

Oh my god. It was black and in the center of the trailer.

It had stirrups, cables with electrodes, and straps all over it.

What the fuck? Fuck. It was on a small track on the floor that allowed someone to slide the chair backwards and forwards?

No. What? No. Shit's gonna get very, uh, warning.

What? Warning, everybody. It's real, real, real, real right now.

So just like hang on. Hang on. All under your butts.

Every square inch of the walls, ceilings, and shelving in this trailer were covered in various methods of torture.

There were leg spreaders, a branding iron, leather belts, paddles, clamps, sandpaper.

Saw blades. No, no, no. Suction cups, forceps, whips and speculums.

What's a speculum? It's what they use during a pap smear.

I wish you could see Ash's face right now.

Where do you... I feel like I should take a...

No! No! There were several syringes and bottles of ammonia and chloroform.

The place was fucking chock full of sex toys.

And they weren't just, like, run-of-the-mill sex toys.

They were made from wood, metal, and plastic.

Perhaps even most disturbingly. Get ready.

No, no, no, no. A 15 inch motorized dildo was found.

It was attached to a giant motor with some kind of switch that had three levels.

Buzzer, light, and probe. I'm not laughing at this.

I'm laughing at Ash's face. 15 inches. Yep.

Motorized. Yep. Ropes, pulleys, handcuffs and chains hung everywhere.

In one corner, there was a wooden contraption that seemed to be handmade, and it was used to forcibly bend a victim over to rape them.

I feel... No, I'm not kidding you. I feel nauseous.

It's rough. There were medical books on anatomy in porn magazines everywhere.

Why did you pick that? this uh there was also lipstick mouthwash perfume perfume perfume shampoo perfume Shampoo and baby lotions.

Ew. A cork board. of other females being tortured in drawings of fantasies as done by David Parker Ray as well.

Scattered along the walls were also medical photos of anatomy and detailed diagrams of methods of torture.

One of the large metal drawers pulled out to reveal a slab, not unlike those found in the morgue.

One of the most disturbing pieces of paper in the toy box was a list of instructions that was found on a wall that detailed how to use a mechanized tool to inflict maximum damage to a victim's breasts.

When you... So what the instructions said... No, I don't want to know.

This is what it said on this thing that was used to... Hold your titties.

Destroy... breasts it said quote this process is very painful and due to the constant motion the body will not adjust to the pain During the operation, the subject will remain in extremely painful duress.

So that's fine. a sign above these said the lure of satanism and he also had placed two fake skulls nearby with candles like shit you would find in like a 16 year old emo kids room like fuck you guy hung up on one wall was a long black robe with a red cape and a barbie doll wrapped in chains There was also a clipboard with a list of names, and alongside it was another paper that contained some words of encouragement.

Not for the victims, but for David himself.

It was kind of like an affirmation of sorts.

It's not, I know what you're thinking. It's not like the ones that like your life coach or your yoga teacher gives you.

It's not kind of the same. It read, quote, "'Remember, a woman will do or say anything to get loose.'"

They will kick, scratch, offer money, bite, yell, beg, scream, run, offer sex, threaten, lie, wait for opportunity.

Standard excuses are sob stories, menstruating, pregnant, venereal disease, AIDS, kids with babysitter, etc. have to work, a sick baby, a sick parent, claustrophobia, missed by husband or friend, bad heart, can't miss school.

Don't let her get to you. If she is worth taking, she is worth keeping.

And she must be subjected to hypnosis before the woman can be safely released.

Never trust a chained captive. So he, one of the things he says in the audio tape that he plays for these women is like, whatever you say, I'm not going to believe it.

Like. you can say whatever you want it's not gonna work i mean i think this is to remind himself like no matter what they say don't let them go or like don't give them any sympathy There was also an old television that was mounted on the wall at the foot of the torture chair that also had a video camera aimed at the torture chair.

And it was on like a tripod. The entire trailer had been soundproofed so no one outside could hear anything.

Oh, my God. Now, when they went in there, this is what they found during their search warrant.

So this is when the FBI was called in because holy shit.

They went to town. Like, can the FBI even call anyone for help?

Literally. Like, they're like, hey, God, are you busy today?

Or do you not fucking exist since shit like this happens?

Like, what's happening? They went to town gathering and processing evidence because there was just so much of it.

I mean, like, where do you even start? The FBI's behavioral science unit was utilized for this case as well.

This is when Cindy Hindy started talking.

Why? She agreed to be formally interviewed by the behavioral science unit.

Was she, like, excited or something? And what she said... was she decided to come clean.

She said she did know that David was a dangerous, sick dude when she got together with him.

She said he had informed her about all of the shit he had done over the 30, 40 years or so before they met.

In wait... Until you hear what Cindy Hindi has to say.

Because... We have not even scratched the surface.

What? We haven't even scratched that surface.

No, no, no, no. We've only talked about Cynthia Oh my god, do we have to talk about other people too?

We haven't even talked about the people he murdered.

He murdered people. And we have not talked about the other ones that got away.

How many are we talking about? Part two is going to be... the conclusion um hey you know how like you call in sick for work I'm going to call in sick next week.

I'm feeling kind of sick. Yeah, I'm not coming in today.

Well, I have something lined up for next week and it's much, I had something intentionally.

Is it fun? Fluffier. Fluffier. Is it fluffy?

It's fluffy. I need a pillowcase. We'll do a fluffier one, trust me.

So this is part one of the Toy Box Killer, David Parker.

How long is part two? We're going to wrap it up.

We're going to wrap it up in a nice sandpaper bow.

I literally told my husband, you might not want to listen to this.

I'm going to tell everyone. I know you might not want to listen to this.

Everybody listens. I'm going to tell everyone I don't want to listen to this episode.

Yeah. Annie, I'm not okay. Next week, we're going to get more into Cynthia.

We're going to get more into, you know, what happened after they were arrested.

We're going to talk about the stuff they. found after he was arrested, because they found that he had murdered people, they found videotapes, they found a whole myriad of spooky, awful shit.

So we're going to get more into that stuff next week.

So you'll hear more about how... Because Cynthia has... been on like id discovery no she's not been on ellen i don't think this is really an ellen topic but i feel like can we call it can ellen host next week I don't want to host.

Ellen, do I have a story for you? Can Dr. Phil host next week to see what the fuck is wrong with you?

For doing this to your fucking nice little sister.

You're fucked up, Elena. You're fucked up, man.

So yeah, I promise, part two, we're going to give some more shit.

You're going to find out. It'll all be wrapped up in a bow that's at least... somewhat satisfying.

Not all satisfying, but somewhat satisfying.

I feel nauseous. Yeah. So we're gonna I think we're gonna try to put both of these out this week because why not?

I think we should just rip the band-aid off.

Just get it all done. So then we can give something fluffy next week.

Okay. But, uh, so we'll try to do that. And I think I've literally, I think we've like broken out.

I think she's broken. I am. We broke her.

We broke Ash. I'm on Do Not Disturb right now.

We're only on episode 20 and we broke Ash.

Ash is no longer available. I broke this one out too quick.

You did. Well, we'll be okay. So, until then...

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Yeah. You're all amazing. So we're going to get going because this has been a thing.

I think my butt's going to fall off. Ash did not properly hold on to her butt, so... We will... I feel like that joke's not funny anymore.

I think it's pretty funny, so... No, because, like, torture.

Gotta have callous humor. What if somebody like, sawed off his butt?

I mean, what if he's unbroken? She's taking a journey without us right now into her mind.

I don't want my mind anymore. I don't want it.

I feel like this was a success, everybody.

I feel like this was good. So, we hope you...

Keep listening. We hope you keep it weird.

Notice the difference in inflection this week.

So... Goodbye. I'm never gonna go anywhere alone anymore.

Don't go to truth or consequences. Yeah.

Because there's always consequences. It's no truth.

Just consequences. This is going to make me a, what's that called?

Agoraphobic. Yep. Yeah. Stay tuned for Yes or Right.

Is that the daughter? Yes. Bye, everyone.

Sweet dreams. Bye. Help me. Does Jesse Ray get involved?

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[The Dark Reality of the 'Toy Box Killer': An Overview of the David Parker Ray Case]-[Episode 20: David Parker Ray AKA “The Toy Box Killer”]

📋 Summary

The Depraved World of David Parker Ray: A Case Summary

A Childhood Programmed for Cruelty

The "House of Horrors" and Cindy Hendy

The Survival of Cynthia Vigil

The "Toy Box" Transcripts

Conclusion

🎯Key Sentences

📝Key Phrases

📖 Transcript