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And... this case i okay so i've seen the picture of the guy in this case i've like run across it before okay Never actually knew what case it was attached to.
Never looked into it. Never heard of this case.
And it takes place in Massachusetts on the Cape.
On the Cape. And I was like, how do I not know about this?
That's weird. It's my own damn state. I know about all these other cases.
How have I not... And then I started reading further into it and I was like, what?
I've definitely heard of this, but I don't know any details whatsoever.
It is an outrageous case. It's also crazy because it's in one of my favorite places.
That's the thing. Because it takes place, a lot of it takes place in Provincetown.
The best. And in Truro. And, you know, they mention Hyannis.
They mention Dedham. They mention Foxborough.
I used to work in Dedham. Yeah, they mentioned all these places and I'm like, what, how, how did I not know?
Who, what, when, where? Who, what, when, where, why?
And then I ran across this book and it's called In His Garden by Leo Damore.
Or demore? See, normally that would be like, oh, like a gardening book.
So sweet. But that's really ominous knowing that this is a true crime show and that's what that book is called.
In his garden. Like that's, I know. Doesn't that just give you the chilly willies?
It gives me a visual that I don't need. Yeah, it reminds me of that movie.
It's like... Oh, that one, I know. You know that movie?
Yeah, it's so good. Is there a movie where that guy kills women and then puts them in like the lake and he makes like an underwater garden?
I don't know if I've seen that. It's a great movie.
Fuck, why can't I think of the name? I'm sure... either people are listening and being like, that doesn't exist, Selena, please go away now.
Or they're listening and being like, it's called this, you idiot.
So I'm sorry that you're screaming it because I do that all the time with podcasts.
I'm like, it's this. Why aren't you saying it?
But sometimes people are like, it's this.
And I'm like, no, that's not it. And you're like, that's not it.
Like my dream. Like so many people said that.
People probably sent me like 30 different movies.
It was none of them. None of them? Wow. I think I made part of it.
I think it was a dream. I think you did.
Well, this one's called like, house by the lake or something or lake house it's something like that that sounds and it's like he kills women and then he like puts like weighs them down in his lake and has this garden of women that are just like weighted down that he can go visit is he like a scuba diver like he's just like yeah it's real fucked up that's gnarly it's pretty gnarly but It reminds me of this, but not underwater.
Okay. is that case on land this is not really anything like that case but just in his garden because he called it his garden yeah No, I feel you.
Yeah, you know, I've gotten off the beaten trail.
Things remind me of things that have nothing to do with each other, so I get you.
So this took place in the late 60s, early 70s.
Yes, baby. Provincetown was like. you know full of hippies and full of fishermen that's and they coexisted well together Yeah, because hippies can coexist with anybody and fishermen are like chill.
That's a very false statement. I know. That hippies can coexist with it.
True hippies. That's the most false. The real ones.
Nope. Still false. I don't know. I like them.
A lot of people hate hippies. I know that's true.
So they can't coexist with anyone. So it's actually kind of shocking that fishermen and hippies like chilled together.
I think they just knew the other one wasn't going to bother the other one, so they just existed.
Well, yeah, because they're like out on boats, the fishermen.
They're just out on boats. They're just chilling on the boat.
And then the hippies are like smoking doobies on land. yeah exactly like very symbiotic very symbiotic I don't even know what that means to be honest it worked good job thank you So this guy's nickname, just to give you a little hint to what he's all about.
Okay. His name was... Tony Chop Chop. Oh.
The Cape Cod Casanova. Oh. And the Cape Cod Vampire.
I hate all of those except Tony Chop Chop.
Tony Chop Chop. Is one of the worst names for a serial killer because it's...
Simultaneously horrifying and hilarious.
Yes. Sounds like something you would name like a mobster character in like a parody.
Tony Chop Chop. Like, oh, it's Tony Chop Chop.
I just want to say like raindrop. Raindrop.
Raindrop, chop, chop. So his name is Antony Costa.
Okay. He goes by Tony. Yes. Yeah. We're not.
Yes. Yes. Yes, he does. I'm like, I got that.
I don't know if you know that, but Tony Chop Chop goes by Tony.
He was born August 2nd, 1944 in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Heyo! It was real weird reading this book because it's like everywhere we know and That is weird.
Like they talk about like the Harvard co-op bookstore at one point where they bought something and I was like, that's where I got my books.
I guess like that's weird. Harvard Square.
Hyannis. It's like, oh, that's where I visited my grandparents.
That's sweet that you have that memory. Provincetown.
Remember the Thanksgiving that I went to a club the night before and my phone got stolen when I was a sophomore in high school?
Yeah, that's Ash's memory of Hyannis. That was in Hyannis.
Mine is like, oh, I visited my lovely grandparents.
I visited an underage club. Yeah, and then got in a lot of trouble.
All the trouble. Didn't work out for her.
T9 for a long time. That's right, she did.
Because my iPhone got stolen. Anyways, this is about Chop Chop.
So he was born to Cecilia and Antony Costa.
Okay. His father actually died when he was really young.
Basically before he even knew who he was, he was like an infant.
Because he died in World War II and he died heroically.
Okay. He saved a fellow soldier who fell overboard.
And when he saved the soldier, he got him back on the boat and he actually hit his head on coral and drowned.
Oh no. Isn't that sad? Also, I bet he was like really disappointed in his legacy.
Right? Like, that's not awesome that this came out of that.
It's like this hero. Yeah, no good. And then this happens.
Well, Tony was very spoiled. He was an only child for a long time.
He got whatever he wanted. He wasn't really told no.
Not like it wasn't like this terrible thing.
It's not like he was this like total shit of a child.
It was just like he was definitely an only child.
Yeah, that's like setting you up for a little bit of not success.
Yeah, and by all accounts, his parents, you know, his mother was a good mother.
He had a happy life. you know home life there was really nothing to point to it into like oh there's the trauma right because he also didn't know his father so it's not like he lost him but when he knew him really well it's not like a super traumatic situation of course like never knowing your father is trauma all in itself sure you know A lot of people have gone through that and don't kill people, so.
Not an excuse. Yeah. Not an excuse. So he was also, he was pretty smart.
He was good in school. He wasn't like, you know, above intelligence, as we'll learn later when he goes through psychiatric exams.
He's very average intelligence. Same. Nothing to write home about but he's definitely not dumb.
Cool. but he loves to have an air of intelligence about him.
He has that whole like, I'm smarter than everyone in the room.
But the problem with him is he's not. So nothing to fall back on.
Yeah, it only works when you actually are smarter than everyone else in the room.
It doesn't work when you're not. We all know somebody that thinks that and they're not.
And I know that you and I are thinking of the exact same person right now.
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He was a very devout Catholic because his parents were.
Cool. His whole family was. They went to church every Sunday.
Yeah. Uh, he was until about 12 when just on his own through his own research, he was like, I'm not really buying it anymore.
Okay. and he said he believed in god he believed in like christ but he was like i just didn't believe in like what they were telling me in the bible He was like, I didn't take it literally anymore.
I didn't take it as like he's the savior.
He just kind of like believed what he believed.
Sure. Which you're like, yeah, like, get it.
Yeah, love that for you. His mother did eventually remarry to a man named Joseph Bonavieri.
He was a stonemason who was apparently described as a jolly man.
Oh. And he was a hard worker. He provided for their family.
I guess he was a very good stepfather. See, this is where I thought we were going to be like we could point to something.
We're not taking the turn. We're not doing it.
They ended up having another son together.
So he has a half brother who is only 22 months younger than him.
So she remarried like right away. Oh, okay.
Yeah. So she remarried like. when he was a baby right um and they got the i guess the half brother in him in the beginning did not get along because I think... Jealousy.
Yeah, I don't know. It was just like... From his point of view, his mom favored the other one, but I think that might just be his point of view.
Well, and I also think like, he probably didn't feel like he belonged to the stepdad in some sense.
He's almost the outsider. Right. So exactly.
Because it's like, this is the family and I'm the half brother.
Right. almost, you know? So I think that's what it was.
Yeah. But later, I guess they became close.
So they got through, I think it was like in adolescence, they kind of like...
Yeah, butted heads, and then they got close later.
That's good. And his name was Vincent Bonavieri.
Cool. Now, he comes back a little bit later, so that's all.
Tony and Vince. Now, his mother and stepfather did divorce in 1962 and they moved from Somerville to P-Town, to Provincetown.
What a move, that's a wild move. I know, it's a crazy move.
When he was younger, I guess during like adolescence, it was said that he was not kind to small animals.
There's what we can point to. And he was very weird with girls in the neighborhood.
Okay. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
Nothing was truly alarming, I guess, until he was 16.
When he turned 16 in November of 1961, this was before he had moved to Provincetown.
This was in the Somerville apartment. He broke into the Somerville apartment of a 14-year-old girl named Donna Welch at 4 a.m.
Oh. He had known Donna. They like were like neighborhood friends.
Pals. Pals, if you will. At one point, he had tied her up for a game. before this and like got in trouble for it.
What game? He was like, oh yeah, we were playing a game and she was fine with it.
And I guess she was like, yeah, okay. We were kind of playing a game.
Uh-huh. Well, at 4 a.m. In November, when he broke into her apartment, he just stood over her bed. watching her sleep, nay nay.
And then he bent down to do something and she woke up and started screaming.
She was like, what the fuck? Yeah. He got scared and ran out of the apartment.
You would think this would scare him enough to like maybe stay away from her.
It would scare me, but no, it did not. Three fucking days later, he broke into the same apartment to try to get the same teenage girl again. what yeah and he tried to drag her down the fucking stairs okay so Clearly it's like, what the fuck is he going to do to her?
But neighbors heard the commotion and saved her and held his ass down and called police.
And then she got a restraining order. Yeah.
So he got in trouble for that. Damn. And he ended up, he served a one-year suspended sentence for it with three years probation.
So nothing. And this is when he was sent to... They were like, you're going to P-Town to like...
I think he ended up living with, like, other family for a little while, but the mom moved to P-Town as well.
Okay. And what's crazy about this is later they bring this up to him once he's arrested for later crimes.
And he's like, oh, yeah, you have the wrong idea about that.
And he was like, she had said it was like she had, you know.
She had acted strange to me, so I wanted to talk to her about it.
And so I broke in there to talk to her about it.
What? At 4 a.m. And then the way that he tells it is like he bent down and she woke up.
And was excited to see him. And then asked him to like come into bed with her.
And he was like, no, no, we need to talk.
And then she started screaming. And then he just dragged her down the stairs.
And then he said three days later I came in because I wanted to talk to her again and she wouldn't talk to me.
So I grabbed her by the arm and started dragging her down the stairs to talk to her. downstairs because I can hear better when we're on the ground level. want to talk to someone, especially like you're a male and definitely when you want to talk to a female, definitely drag her down the stairs.
That's what you do. That's how all my conversations with males have started.
So it's like, okay, tone, tone. Also, where were her parents?
Yeah. Well, I guess she's like 16. She was 14.
14, yeah. I'm assuming that when she was dragged down the stairs that I think he broke in when they weren't home.
Damn. But yeah. Now, during high school, which all of this went down, so he gets sent to P-Town.
He's got to live there now. They want to get out of there.
Imagine knowing this kid in high school.
Right? In high school, he was a member of the Future Teachers of America.
No, I don't want you to teach me anything.
Isn't that crazy? Guys, we're going to have a seminar on how to drag people down the stairs today.
It's... insane what and he finished his high school experience in p-town he started in somerville but he moved to p-town okay Um, he never really fit in well, like he was considered kind of like weird, not like, not like super.
It wasn't like one of those where he was bullied and nobody talked to him.
People probably just got a weird vibe from him.
I think, yeah, I think it's because and it's that whole thing where he had that air of like, I'm smarter than everybody.
So I think people were just put off by it.
They were like, he just seems like kind of a dick.
Yeah. Because he just seems like he thinks he's smarter and he's not.
Well, and you don't want to have a conversation with any, even if somebody is like that, you don't want to have a conversation with them because you're just like, okay. exactly that's it you're like we're not gonna get anywhere that's exactly what i'm not gonna convince you of anything we're not gonna have a lively debate you're just gonna shut me down So he developed a hobby, which was taxidermy.
And taxidermy is a perfectly normal hobby to have.
Sure. Like taxidermy is fine. A lot of people have it in their house, like all that, like that's very normal.
But when you put it in conjunction with what happens later, you're like, ah.
Yeah, I feel like it was practice and it wasn't necessarily taxidermy.
Because it's like he was picking up roadkill, which often taxidermists will do.
And Kesha. And Kesha. There's the correlation.
There's Ash's addition to this. And Kesha.
In case anybody can't tell our voices apart, you now know.
Like who's who. If you don't know, now you know.
Now you know. But when the problem arose was that cats in the area were starting to go missing.
See, I don't want to talk about that though.
And you know, That's not what you should do as a taxidermist.
You shouldn't kill animals to taxidermy them.
You should... Take them when they're already dead.
Correct. Yeah. So just that's my message for you.
Now, in April 1963, at 18 years old, he married a 14 year old girl.
How though? Her name was Avis. That's a cool name.
I guess she was pregnant and so they were like, we should get married.
With his child? Yeah, with his child. Okay.
And I guess at first they had tried to get permission because they needed permission to marry because she's 14. exactly and her mom was like no and so she was like so we so we made it a point to get pregnant so that she would have to oh so they planned this that's a good reason to get pregnant interesting yeah So they ended up having three children together, two boys and a girl.
Wow. He was... Kind of disappointed in the first two kids being boys.
That's weird, I think. Yeah, and he was psyched about his daughter, I guess.
See, usually that doesn't happen. Yeah, apparently she was...
He was all about her. And the daughter's name was Nicole.
Or about. I guess by all accounts I couldn't find anything to say it was in a bad way.
Okay. He genuinely was like psyched to have a daughter.
All right. But again, when this all goes down, she was still very young, like a baby.
Mm-hmm. So I don't know if things would have changed later had he been given the opportunity to do something monstrous.
Yeah. but he kind of was out of their life at that point a little bit, so.
Sure. working as a carpenter and like a handyman in p town he would like paint shit and like you know He had a ton of tools that he would use.
He could fix anything, whatever. He also grew pot and had his own garden filled with it.
That's great. This garden, I guess this garden was behind the Pine Grove Cemetery in Truro.
I don't know exactly where that is. Yeah, I want to know where it is now because after hearing this, I'm like, well, shit.
Because Churro is before P-Town, right? I think.
Or is it after? I think Churro might be even further than P-Town.
I'm pretty sure. Turo's the furthest point of the cape, I think.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's further. Not that that matters literally at all.
But we're just trying to figure it out. So he had his own little garden.
It was in like this little, there was a clearing and then this little wooded area behind the cemetery.
Okay. So it was very out of the way. No one would find it.
It was down like a dirt road past the cemetery.
Because that's pretty brave for back then.
You think about now, obviously pot is legal.
But back then, you could get in a lot trouble well and that's why he put it here right because it was a perfect place no one was looking for pot back there Teens loved this.
And they knew he was the guy to hang out with.
He called it his garden. He would often like get girls to come back there and it was always teen girls because he was very into younger girls.
Yeah. This just became a thing. That's why when you said he had a daughter, I was like, oh, I don't like that.
Well, that's the thing. It's like, so by...
Again, by all accounts, nothing happened, but the daughter was a baby at the time.
Right. I'm willing to bet that would change later as she got older.
That's just me. That's what I think. Well, when you, I mean, you've studied this case in and out.
Yeah, he just seems like he definitely has a thing about degrading women, but he also wants to come off as being very like... hippie free love like i love all women i love women i respect everybody but like that's just bullshit like he's actually a fucking monster So yeah, that's what you have to look forward to.
Awesome. So yeah, he would bring teen girls back there.
There was a number of teen girls that came forward after this and were like, oh, yeah, I went back there.
Or some that were like, oh, I said no to going back there and I'm really glad I did.
Oh, yikes. Yeah. So in June 1966, his marriage is starting to suffer.
Probably because of all these teen girls coming to the garden.
Exactly. And the fact that she was 14. yeah and literally a child like that could be the fact that like she is not even a real like human being it's like the Dorothy Stratton case it's like oh I grew up and I realized like I'm an adult and like I've matured I evolved as a human because I was literally a child.
And now I'm like, you're not what I want.
Like, hello, me at 14. The most I can't I don't even know that person. uh you don't know that person yeah you really don't know that i don't even that who is that bitch who is that where are her eyebrows That's honestly, I was saying that basically through high school.
I look at pictures of me through high school and I'm like, where are your eyebrows?
I used to shave. like not all of them off, but I would like shave them down so that they were just a line.
I just didn't draw mine in and I'm so pale that like they disappeared.
Well, you weren't supposed to draw them.
And I look at pictures and I'm like, they're gone.
They're not there. Nowhere to be found. Yeah.
So, you know. Weirdly enough, their marriage started suffering.
He said at one point he said he was driving to California and was going to drive two teen girls to Pennsylvania on the way there.
And he was like, deal with it, Avis. And Avis was like, okay.
She was like, so hey, I'd like a divorce.
Yeah, like cool, cool. The two girls were Bonnie Williams and Diane Federoff.
They were never seen or heard from again. awesome yeah except not at all no not at all he was questioned about this and he said he dropped them off in hayward california and that That was it.
He never saw them again. Wow. Which he tends to do a lot.
He's like, yeah, I just dropped them off.
I never saw him again. next and they're like no like you can't no you were the last person with them not exactly how that works sir So he returned to Massachusetts like a few days after questioning for that.
By January 1968, the marriage has completely fallen apart. part because what they would do is like separate, come back together, separate, come back together.
He moved to San Francisco for a while and moved in with a girlfriend of his because he had girlfriends all throughout their marriage. named Barbara Spaulding.
A few months of knowing, it was basically a few, they had only known each other for like a couple of months.
Yeah. And they were already living together.
And she dropped her child off to be watched by her parents at one point. oh no and no one ever saw her again Oh, no.
The same day she went missing, he weirdly went back to Massachusetts.
Oh, that's such a weird coincidence. Yeah, so weird. it's obviously believed that he murdered her but she has never been found oh no yeah And there's a few cases of that where you're like, he definitely did that.
Oh, yeah. But you can't prove it. Right.
And we'll find out why, too. So May 1968, again, he's been working as a handyman and a carpenter, and now he's working as a handyman for a doctor's office in p-town okay um there was a young girl working as a receptionist of the office oh He took a liking to her.
He did? He started trying to flirt with her.
And the receptionist was like, no, thank you.
Like, not into it at all. IMO. underage yeah she was like no and so he was like he asked the doctor like who's the young girl at the reception desk and he was like that's my daughter And he was like, so you can fuck off and leave her alone.
Oh, my God. And the doctor was like, yeah, no.
Well, mysteriously, $5,000 worth of medical equipment and drugs were then stolen from that office shortly after he told him to fuck off. and don't touch his daughter.
That is the craziest. I know. And it's even crazier that later when he's in custody, he was like, oh yeah, I did that.
Yes. So. So he admitted to it. No way, Tony.
One week later, 18-year-old Sydney Monzen was said to be... living with tony in dedham um this comes back later so remember her name's sydney monzen Sydney Monson.
She left one day from her home and was never seen again.
She wasn't reported missing for three weeks because they assume she just took off.
Oh, no. Because hippies. August 1968, finally him and Avis divorced officially, and he moved in with his new girlfriend, Susan Perry.
Okay. Now, one week later on Labor Day, she goes missing.
She's... Why is nobody like, hey, that guy seems to have a lot of missing bands?
Weird, like young girl baes that are going missing.
Young girl baes. He was questioned and he was like, oh, she went to Mexico with friends.
Oh, okay. You know. Totally. Yeah. interesting that she's like out of the whole place yeah she's just gone out of the whole place out of the whole place out of the country she's just out of the whole place He was arrested for driving without a license and then held for failure to pay child support. oh come on dude yeah and he was held until November 8th he's a dick He like doesn't give a shit about his kids.
Grade A asshole. Yeah, he sees them as like a burden.
Of course. This whole thing of like he loves his daughter.
Like, yeah, he likes her when she's around, but like he doesn't care about them.
You probably out of sight, out of mind. Exactly.
Right away. Now, he's been using drugs like on and off.
Well, he's a hippie. and he becomes but he becomes a known drug user like he becomes like he's using LSD he's using pills he's very into pot obviously but like he's starting to get into other stuff harder shit A lot of pills.
He was very much into like sedatives and like tranquilizers and like all this shit.
That will fuck you up. Yeah. So now he starts dating this girl named Christine Gallant.
And this was on November 23rd. OK. Or excuse me.
And on November 23rd, she ends up. Now, remember.
He was let out November 8th for this failure to play child support.
By November 23rd, his girlfriend Christine Gallant was found dead in her NYC apartment.
She was in a bathtub and it was ruled that it was a drowning slash overdose.
Interesting. Now this comes back later as well.
So remember her. Okay. But they said that there was like, they said that, Multiple reports said that there was injuries to her chest as well.
Now, January 24th, 1969... this is when shit really goes down.
It was a Friday. two women named Patricia Walsh and Marianne Wysocki.
They both went to Rhode Island College. Patricia was a second grade teacher.
She had a strict Catholic upbringing, very close to her family. uh marianne was also very close to her family she was a math major at rhode island college she tutored kids who couldn't like afford tutoring oh yeah um she all around great people she wanted to be a teacher as well um they both had like on and off boyfriends that were like very close to them.
They decided to go to Cape Cod for a weekend getaway.
And it was in the off season in January.
They were like, we just want to like go for a couple of days.
Yeah. So they rented a room in a guest house on Standish Street owned by Mrs. Patricia Morton.
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Rules and restrictions apply. Now Tony Costa was also renting a room there.
Oh, goody. Yeah. Now he immediately established himself with them there.
He helped them get their bags. He offered them some pot. like just immediately patricia morton said like they started hanging out immediately Almost the entire time they hung out together, Patricia's boyfriend and parents had not heard from her.
And they were like, this is strange. and when she hadn't shown up for school on Monday morning, this was not like her.
Right. And they were only supposed to be gone for a couple days.
Yeah, this was like weekend. Yeah. Now when her father spoke with Marianne's mother, she told him that Marianne had told her of the trip and said if they were a day late not to worry too much because they would be meeting up with a boy she had liked and they were dropping him off somewhere.
Okay. So she was like, she told me it might be a day, but she told me a day.
She told me that's as much. And again, the fact that they hadn't heard from them was like, this is weird.
Right. Like, yeah, sure. She told us about the day, but she would have told us again.
Now, they disappear the same day that Tony leaves that rooming house.
That is wild. Yeah. Also, can I just ask, is Tony like good looking?
Like, it doesn't make sense. Yes. Tony is good looking.
He's definitely like hippie good looking.
Okay. When he was younger, he's actually like a very good looking guy.
Sure. I'm sure his lifestyle affected him over the years.
Like when he got together with Avis and like...
Then he started, like, you know, he grew his hair kind of longer and he got a mustache and, like... you know, glasses that didn't really none of it really worked for him.
But like, I get why. it makes sense of the time he was definitely like oh look at that guy okay yeah So Patricia's father spoke with the Massachusetts State Police, the staties.
Mm-hmm. They searched accident records because they were like, maybe something happened on the way home.
We don't even know about it. They could be in a ditch somewhere.
Yeah, anything could have happened. They couldn't find any issues that occurred with their car, which was a light blue 68 VW Bug.
Yes. And this becomes a very big thing, this BW bug.
They didn't find any accidents that had to do with a bug, nothing like that, nothing in the area that they would be.
So the next day, Patricia's father filed a missing persons report.
It described Patricia as 5'9", 138 pounds, dark complexion, dark hair past her shoulders, and hazel eyes.
Okay. They were very pretty. I was going to say she sounds pretty.
An all points bulletin was put out in P-Town for the girls.
Everyone was looking. Mm hmm. Now police spoke with Russell Norton, who was the boy that they had said they were going to be dropping off somewhere on the way.
And he was like, oh yeah, we had that plan.
And he said he was in P-town and stayed with another friend. but he was like we were going to be meeting up the next morning and they were going to drive me. but they didn't meet me.
He was like, I was literally like waiting in the area.
I was asking people. And he said on Sunday he left and returned home to Provincetown.
And he said he called Marianne's house. And he said her mother said she hadn't heard from her since Friday.
Oh no. So he was like, something's weird.
So even he was like, yeah, I don't know.
Now February 2nd, a man named Carl Benson was driving with his two children to get the paper early in the morning.
I love driving to get the paper. Just like early in the morning, just driving to get the paper.
It was driving in the dirt road behind the Pine Grove Cemetery because it like connected to another road.
People didn't often use it, but like once in a while people use it as like a cut through.
I was going to say like. Like if you like, you know, a shortcut.
And he was like a local townie. So you probably knew.
And he noticed up in a clearing kind of near the woods a VW Bug.
Uh-oh. And he was concerned because it was really out of place, like really strange.
So he stopped and he said he was going to get out of the car and just check to see if the person was He didn't see anybody, but he was like, I just wanted to make sure.
But he said he stepped out of the car and he said immediately he got this like sick feeling.
It was like it just like washed over me.
He said something was wrong. Something's ominous.
Something told me don't go towards that car. and he said he swore he heard someone running up the hill in the woods oh shit and he felt like he was being watched Oh, I don't like that.
So he jumped back in the car and hauled us out of there smartly.
This should be a movie. This would make a great movie. notified police, and actually returned to the scene with Police Chief Harold Berrio.
They found the car and it had a note under the wiper blade that Carl said wasn't there before.
He was like, I did not see that. So, you know, he saw him leave and down there to cover that note because he was like there. probably going to come back now what did it say it said engine trouble will return Mm-mm-mm.
And someone else, a few other people called after this, the police, and were like, oh, I spotted this VW bug up in this clearing, so they must have passing through too and we're like what the fuck is that yeah now police found out so they're like we're gonna hold this in our pocket we're gonna leave it here for now Because especially at that time, they're not just going to take the car.
No. It's hippies. They're like, somebody will come back for it.
Yeah. Police found out where the girls had stayed in P-town because again now it's like a big search for these girls.
And they called Patricia Morton, the lady who owns the rooming house they stayed at, to ask more about it.
She said they were indeed there and had paid $24 for two nights.
Oh, my God. fucking imagine. I know. You know what you have to pay in P-Town now?
Woof. Me and Annie had an anniversary there either a year or two ago, and it was so expensive.
Oh, it is. It's crazy expensive. Yeah. And that's where my parents love to have their anniversaries too.
Yes. I love that they go there. I know, I copied them.
I copied them. So she said they were there, they paid the money for two nights, and she said they were hanging around with a man named Tony Costa. and Tony Costa had actually left a note on their door like the morning that they went missing asking for a ride Okay.
She had not seen him in a few days either.
So she was like, he's gone too? But he didn't like checkout.
So she's like, this is weird. Sergeant James Meads was the one who actually spoke to Patricia Morton.
And he was like, oh, Tony Costa, I know that name.
And he was like, yeah, he spent time in jail for failing to pay child support and He spent time in Barnstable House of Corrections and during this whole thing He had recruited Tony as a drug informant for a small period of time to like shorten his jail time.
Oh, wow. That's how we got out in a small span of time.
We got a rat. Exactly. So he's like, oh, like things are getting weird here.
So he called Tony's mom. And she said she hadn't heard from him, but she would contact the police if she did.
Turns out that Tony's mom was definitely scared of him when he was older.
Aww. Um, and didn't like him hanging around.
Like she was not into it, but she would also like try to help him.
Sweetie. I know. That's hard. It's so hard.
And that's like her baby. Yeah. Like that's her first born baby.
Now, February 7th, Marianne's mother filed a missing persons report.
The reason she waited a few days was because she actually thought the missing persons report Patricia's father had filed would cover...
Marianne as well. So she had no idea that that didn't cover it.
Right. I would assume that too, honestly.
I would too, because they were together.
She described Marianne as 23 years old, brown hair, blue eyes, light skinned, Five foot eight and 135 pounds.
Now, Patricia Morton. suddenly remember like thinks about this more because she's like what the fuck is going on in my rooming house like what happened here Yeah.
So she all of a sudden is like, I got to talk to the police again.
So she calls police and she was like, you know what?
I started thinking after I talked to you, I'm really concerned.
And she said, I would really like to take a peek into Tony's room.
So she went up there and she said she, cause he just left.
So she was like, I can go in that room now.
So this is my fucking place. Yeah. And she found a torn up letter in the trash.
And she was like, I don't know if you guys just want this because it's just something.
Yeah, why not? So they show up and they piece it together and it says, Greetings, people.
I've been sitting here stoned on hash and downs. drawing plans for my houseboat for the summer.
I really intend to build it soon. I want to share it with one or two people.
It will be a complete home on the water.
I will show you the plans as soon as I complete them.
Three chicks have been staying here and they're super nice, super groovy head people.
Oh my God, yes. But Christine is still on my mind.
Christine Gallant. Okay. making a collage for you all.
We'll present it to you soon. I may come up to Hyannis for a couple of days.
Okay, Ron? Until then, go in peace always, Anthony of Rome.
And there was a drawing of a hypodermic needle dripping, and it said, there is no hope without demonstration.
Nope. Wow. He's like a parody of a hippie.
He is. He's like a city. You know who I'm picturing?
And I can't think of his name, so I almost didn't say it, because people are going to be like, really, Ash?
It starts with an L, the guy from That 70s Show.
Oh, you're thinking of... It's not Lenny, is it?
No, it's... Shit. We'll think of it. Yeah.
It's going to pop in my head. You know what?
I'll Google it. Yeah. Yeah. He really is.
He's literally a parody. Of that guy. Of a hippie.
Yeah. He's what SNL would show you a hippie is.
Yes. So the letter was addressed to Georgia Pinesis, who lived in Hyannis.
And again, this will all come back later.
So it's funny that he mentions Christine, the three chicks being groovy, don't know who those three chicks are.
I wonder if it was just those two girls and he would just add one.
But he's so fucked up that he's like, maybe he thinks there's another one.
Who knows? He saw two of one. leo oh there you go leo there you go that is literally him and it's tommy chong there you go So she said the thing was that Tony was an ideal tenant and she actually liked him.
She was like, he's very kind and very polite.
He has good manners, very neat. Like, there was really nothing that I was concerned about.
And everybody who knew him, like, from afar said that.
They were like, he came off very, like, manners and...
Quiet. He came off very manners. He came off very manners.
You know how people do? Very like lots of manners thrown at you.
Very polite. Please, thank you. Boom, boom.
He's just launching with a T-shirt gun. He just throws a please at you.
But he just... Guys, okay, I'm sorry. This is just rude.
But we have the Today Show on in the background and there's like a very, it's like family portrait segment and it's real. weird.
Yeah, there was just a weird photo of an old man in a bathtub that came up shaving his legs.
Yeah, I'm not really sure, so that's fun.
Again, he came off very nice. Very polite.
Nobody really had anything, you know, people who didn't know him well Didn't have a lot of bad things to say about him.
People who got to know him were like, yeah, he could be a dick.
Yeah he's a jackass. And everyone said he definitely had that air of superiority that's for sure.
He's arrogant. He's definitely arrogant.
So the officers ran into Chief Berrio on the way back to the station from the rooming house.
And they asked him if he had seen the VW bug matching the description of Patricia and Marianne's.
And he was like, oh, shit. I have, actually.
Why would you not check and see at least who it's registered to?
Well, that's the problem. So, one, they didn't check to see who it was registered to.
And the problem here was that Providence Police had heard... this missing persons report at the end of January, and they never shared it with Truro. or provincetown police no providence because that's where they were from the girls were from providence okay remember they went to like rhode island college gotcha gotcha So Providence police had never shared this missing persons report with the police in Truro.
Oh no. So they had no idea that they were supposed to be looking for this VW bug.
Wow. So they had seen it. bad police work that's just bad police report like work all around yeah on both parts failures So they went to the spot.
They were like, he was like, oh shit, let me take you to the place where this VW bug was.
It's gone. It's gone. Knew it. So they looked it up finally and it matches Patricia and Marianne's registration.
Yeah, maybe you should have just looked it up. looked it up when they found it right because then you could have taken that in for evidence exactly my god i could even be a police person.
I couldn't. A police person. A police person.
So they're They started searching in the woods nearby where it was found, like around the area, and in the woods they found Patricia's registration.
They also found a sales slip and proof of insurance ripped up and scattered around.
That's freaky. No good. So shortly after this, now a huge search party went out around the area that the VW bug was seen.
Because now they're like, oh, no, like this is not good.
No. Like finding all the ripped up shit, the fact that it's gone now.
That's weird. the weird shit of like hearing someone in the distance when he first found it it's just then there's a note when they're And I guess there was about 75 people that came out to search.
Around 1130, part of the rescue squad noticed an olive green cloth poking out of a weird depression in the earth.
Aww. Now, they pulled it out and it was an army duffel bag. okay and they were like okay what the fuck and it was like soaked in blood And it smelled terrible.
Smelled like something was rotting. So they dug a bit. and they found a bone, which they then pulled free, and it had a human foot attached to it.
Now they called in Dr. Daniel Heibert. He was a 79-year-old medical examiner.
Fuck yeah. Which... It shows. Oh. You're old and it shows.
Because at first I was like, wow, get it, Dr. Hibert.
And then I was like. retire like it's like that's really cool that you're trying to do this you're like it's the for me so yeah so he brings he comes in and he looks at it and he's like yup that's a human foot like good job everybody awesome really glad you pulled me in here yippee so they keep digging and they find a leg and two arms, and then they find a plastic bag.
And these are all detached. All detached.
They find a plastic bag with a severed head in it.
Oh, see, it's always when you find a bag after finding bones that that's the head.
The bag is never gonna be a good thing. It's always the head.
It's never just gonna be like a bag of like really good like pumpkin chocolate chip cookies.
That was ridiculously specific. Ridiculously.
I really want some pumpkin chocolate chip cookies.
Noted. But it's never going to be that.
It's going to be a severed head or a torso.
Yeah. And it's just you don't want that.
Like I don't want that. You don't want that.
We know what you want. We don't want that.
I want pumpkin chocolate chip. I'm going to make some.
I have the stuff to make some. I'm going to make some.
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Wow. That will stay with you for quite some time.
That would be a lot. I don't know. I have to say, I don't know how investigators and like detectives and all kinds of law enforcement. sleep after seeing that.
Because remember how we said the Moores murders we saw was at Marianne's body?
Yeah. Or the crime scene? Oh, Leslie. Leslie and Downey, yeah.
I will see her sometimes as I'm falling asleep and like have to like, like I wake up again.
Like it. it rents room in your head yeah it lives there right free yeah it really does like and it's all of a sudden it'll just like pop up and you're like Like, I'll wake up at 3 a.m. and just be like, oh, boom, in my face.
Yeah, just like all of a sudden it's like, get out of here.
I don't know how you do that day after day.
Honestly, one, that's why a lot of people get upset with law enforcement and people that... deal with like the dead and all that, like making like dark jokes or like sick humor.
And it's like, you have to get through it.
Somehow. That like goes up my ass sideways when people will be like shitty about that because I'm like, you do it.
Yeah, exactly. You do it and see how you need to cope with it.
It's like gallows humor is a way of coping.
It's a coping mechanism. Honestly, it's necessary.
Yeah. It's necessary or it's gonna turn dark real fast.
And you can't let it turn dark. It will envelop you.
It will envelop you and it will also compromise how you are able to handle the situation.
And to function. To be able to see it as a surface situation and not bring your emotions.
And disconnect. Exactly. And that's the way most people disconnect.
And it's like, let them do it. You just have to.
It's effective. Sorry, I went off on a tangent there, but I just had to say that.
Well, a lot of the investigative. in this case actually said in the book because um the guy who wrote the book leo demore i think his name is sure he did I highly suggest reading this book because it's super long, super detailed.
So much is in it that I'm not even going to talk about.
I want to read this. I'm really interested. this case i mean he did research for years about this case he interviewed everyone involved yeah he knew everything about it i mean it's so thorough and he said most of the investigators were saying that they would wake up in the middle of the night to like horrible nightmares of these bodies that they were finding.
I believe it. So it really affects them.
They just try to push through it. Because when you see something like that, you're just imagining what this person went through in the last hours.
A lot of them were saying they had kids, they had daughters. and they were like immediately i was like that's someone's daughter yeah like that's all you can think of that's somebody's baby right that was someone's baby right that sucks So this 79-year-old medical examiner said the victim was about 50 to 60 years old.
Oh. And they were like, okay. So they found the hips and the backside and both had been flayed of skin.
Oh. Yeah. um the torso was wrapped in a white sheet and inside of so the chest cavity had been split open oh Yeah.
And the skin was like flayed back. Okay.
Which is something we're going to see a lot. okay it's a very strange thing that is um and somebody they had they had like stuffed something in the chest And what they had found was a pair of underwear with Thursday on them, like day of the week underwear.
That is bizarre. and there were multiple stab wounds to the chest yeah the medical examiner said it was likely an axe used to dismember the body into eight distinct pieces.
Wow. When the autopsy was done by someone else, Dr. George Katsis, He determined that the body was not a 50 to 60 year old woman, but was one between 17 and 19.
Well, they have a head. Well, he was like, so I guess what the original medical examiner thought was she's missing four upper teeth.
That's age. And they also, the head was... not in good condition.
It's not like this was a 19-year-old's vivacious head. part of her head was literally sunken in and like crushed it was discolored it was swollen in parts so i can understand why they weren't immediately like that's a young teen teenager.
They were probably like, what the fuck? Right.
And then she had no upper teeth, like four upper teeth.
So you assume she has dentures or something.
Yeah. Something's crazy. But what they said was the missing teeth were clearly knocked out forcibly.
Right. Which is even scarier. So it's like, okay, we need to put this man into retirement.
A little bit. So she was tiny. She was only five feet tall, like 105 pounds.
And the fact that she had suffered that kind of beating at that, she's so like a small person.
See, I thought that this was one of the two girls.
No. And it's not, obviously. Exactly, because the other girls, remember, their missing persons report said they were around 135 pounds.
Right. They were tall, like both of them.
I was going to say like 5'9". Yeah, 5'8", 5'9".
So this is not one of them. So they said she suffered an unreal amount of violence to her body.
And also, she was more decomposed than what we would find in Patricia or Marianne.
That's why I was so confused. Yeah. Thank you.
So that's why they were like, wait a second, what's going on?
Right. Now, like we said, her chest was torn open.
And her heart and lungs were missing. Her breasts were also missing. her liver and upper abdominal organs were missing and the diaphragm was slashed a bunch of times.
Um, and the rest of like her legs and stuff are also slashed. they found.
Weird. Literally slashes everywhere. Now the pelvis was emptied of ovaries, uterus, and intestines.
The heart was found stuffed into her vagina, basically.
Oh, wow. yeah wow yep she had a wedding band on oh and they believe she had been buried for about six months or so oh god Now her hands were very decomposed, but to get fingerprints, they amputated them at like the second junction.
And they injected them with hydral tissue builder, which is used by morticians to like plump up Skin?
They did something similar. I don't know if it's that exact thing, but in the Brenda Sue Schaefer case.
Exactly. Yeah, they do it often now. Yeah, that's really cool.
They let it set and then they inked them and boom, it prints.
Now, they spoke with the owner of the guest house they stayed in again, Patricia Morton.
And basically, they're just trying to find more about Tony because at this point, they're like, what? the fuck's going on like this is in the area the vw bug was found so something's weird and tony's connected to those girls and yeah He's being weird.
And right now they're like, so who's this girl?
And how is she? Is she connected to Tony too?
Right. Because now we have two missing girls.
We have this girl that's been missing and now who knows who she is.
Right. And it fits the victim profile. It's just no good.
So they want to talk to Patricia Morton again and be like, you got to tell us more about these girls and about Tony.
So she said they left a note when they checked out, the two girls, but Tony just left and took his keys, which is against the rules.
You're supposed to leave your keys. She said Tony's mother had called asking for his hair dryer. and she was like well when he brings back my keys he can have his belongings yeah don't blame her And I guess he had left a few other things and she was like, no, I'm going to hold these until I get my keys.
Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. So when they searched the room again, because they went back with her and searched his room again...
And it was cleared out, but then they found a case with a hair dryer in it.
When they opened it up, they found out this was Marianne's hair dryer.
This was not his hair dryer. Okay. Among his belongings that Mrs. Morton had kept as collateral... was a sweater that they also found out likely belonged to Marianne.
Oh. So now they're like, uh-oh. Now they get in touch with Tony finally.
Finally they track him down. And he says, sure.
Like, he's like, you know, I... I had them because I hung out with these girls and they had left it in my room.
He was like, we hung out the whole time.
They were planning to head back to LA. He said they were planning to head out to LA to get an abortion.
Oh, and he said they drove him to a construction site for work one morning.
That's what he had asked them. for the ride for and he said they were off to hyannis first and that was the last i saw them They dropped me off at that construction job because I asked them.
Yeah. They were going out as far as I know to L.A. to get an abortion.
Okay. So... How shitty of him. Well, and that's... They're like, okay.
So they're like, that's... Strange, but all right.
And just to be clear, I don't disagree with abortion.
I'm just saying, like, how shitty to say that that's what they were doing, but it's not.
And it definitely wasn't. And that's like a good point because later they determine that.
No, neither one of them were pregnant and neither one of them were looking to get an abortion.
I just wanted to be clear because I said how shitty of him.
How shitty of him. There's a lot of shitty of him.
Yeah. Now, they found out from Tony's friend that he was trying to call around to get a VW Bug painted. some exotic color.
Ah. So now his friends are like, ugh. Like something weird is happening.
Also, listen, Tony, if you're so groovy and you're so handy, paint the fucking bug yourself.
If you're so goddamn groovy. Tony. If you're tripping balls on LSD, paint a car.
Do it. Yeah, just paint the car. Pro tip.
If you're tripping balls on LSD, go ahead and paint a car.
Yours. Yours preferably. Don't paint somebody else's.
So he's getting a lot of heat on him now.
And so he called the police and said, you know what?
I have information about that VW bug. So crazy.
And he was like, and I'll talk to you. So they picked him up.
He seemed very nervous and anxious. Yeah.
Because he's a murderer. But they tried to use the, you know, these parents need information about their daughters, Tony.
Like, they're so upset. They need something.
Just give us something. Because apparently he supposedly loved his daughter so much.
Yeah, you're a Exactly, and they said he seemed like he was about to say something like really let something out.
But then, you know, he just brought it back and he was like, okay.
But he was like, I don't know a lot. I can't really help a whole lot.
But he was like, I just wanted to let you know that I bought the van from...
Marianne and Patricia. And he said he bought the van for 900 bucks so that they could have cash to get Patricia an abortion in Montreal. but we're okay so now she's going to Montreal and also how are they getting there and also his stories change about it I've never seen a criminal change their stories with such like confidence in my life.
Well, this isn't even like a minor change.
This is a complete change. Completely different story.
And he will say it. He'll be like, I didn't tell the truth there.
Let me start over again. And just like start another story.
And you're like, bro. Honestly, though, that makes it so confusing for the investigators.
So I do wonder if. part of that was purposeful.
It was partially just to make it all confusing.
Because you said that they dropped you off and now all of a sudden... you bought the van exactly so how the fuck were they getting out and that's part of the thing they keep asking him like well how are they gonna get to and he was like i don't know And he just won't answer those things.
So he said he bought it for $900. They were going to get Patricia an abortion in Montreal.
And he said there were drugs involved like heroin and hashish and he had $600 on him. but he borrowed $300 from his brother, Vincent.
Now, he provided some flimsy bill of sale that was like clearly like handwritten.
Yeah. like didn't match a lot of things so he so they were like you know, this is weird.
Like you might, can you tell us more? So he was like, all right.
Well, they said, they actually asked me, If they could use the van for another week to like get their shit together and then they would just leave it in the clearing where it was found and I would just pick it up.
Oh, that's a really weird place to leave that.
And the police were like, it's a really weird setup in general. why the fuck wouldn't they just park it in front of the guest house where you guys all stayed?
Like, why in the woods? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
And he was like... I don't know. Okay. Weird.
Awesome. I would just be like, cause there's a lot of drugs in it.
And they were also like, Okay, so you paid $900 for this car.
And then they were like, hey, can we keep it for another week?
And you were like, sure. And you just trusted that they were going to come back with it?
Yeah, like you don't know these girls, really.
Like you have no idea. Like what? Who would do that?
Right. Like no one would do that. No. So after being pushed some more, he was like, Sorry that wasn't true.
I didn't tell the truth there. And he literally was like, sorry that was not true.
I wish you could see Alina's facial expression.
The way that you like closed your eyes first is funny.
Sorry, that was not, that was false. That was incorrect information I just gave you.
So then he was like, all right, So I actually met them last August.
And he was like, I sold them drugs, which they didn't pay for.
So you did not sell them? Nope, didn't sell them, just gave them drugs.
But he was like, they didn't pay for. And he said it was supposed to be like 700 bucks worth of drugs, which I was like, wow, that's a lot of drugs.
Especially back then. That's a lot. That's a whole garage full of drugs back then.
It should be said now, everyone in Patricia and Marianne's life were like, Nope, they smoked pot every once in a while.
They did not do hard drugs. Yeah, we're talking about teachers.
They literally didn't. Like Catholic school teachers.
Yeah, they just didn't they were like everyone who knew them was like sure they smoke pot every once in a while everybody it's the fucking 60s they're like no Like they did not buy drugs.
They did not sell drugs. They did not inhale.
$700 worth of drugs. So he said he happened to see them again this time in P-Town when they came for their vacation.
Well, wait, you know what? Sorry. Also, you're sitting here saying that you sold them $700 worth of drugs that they did not pay for.
And then you're saying... You sold them the van or bought it off of them, and you think they're going to come back with the $900 after they already owe you $700.
Exactly. So no. Yeah. Well, and that's it.
So now that he's totally negated that other story and now he's starting with I met them last August. sold them the drugs, didn't get paid for it, 700 bucks.
So he said he happened to see them this time in P-Town when they came for their vacation, just ran into them. oh totally um and he said he took their car as payment so he said and he said he didn't take it he told them like you need to give me your car as payment And they were like, okay.
Yeah. Cause everybody would do that. They were like, well, this car is worth more than that.
Like you need to give me some money for it.
So he gave them 300 bucks to make up for the difference.
Okay. So he was like, so I paid like, you know, it was worth a thousand.
So he's like, I gave them the 300. And they were like, the cop was like, no, sir. no sir no they were like that's a strange story that you just told us do you want to try it They were like, you should write a book, but also can we get to this first?
They were literally like, Tony Chop Chop, do you want to try that again?
But they pressed and asked if he still... They were like, okay, so you...
You gave them $300, right? Right. And he was like, you said that in the first story that you had to borrow $300 from your brother.
Yeah. So they were like, did you still borrow that $300 from your brother?
Is that still true? Is that part true or no?
And he was like, yup. And then when they asked when, he said a week earlier.
But they were like, um... But you just said that you didn't know they were going to be in P-Town.
You just ran into them. Right. So he was like, why did you borrow $300 from your brother? to give them when you didn't even know they were coming.
Like this doesn't make any sense. And he was like, oh, I originally borrowed it for something else and then I just used it for that.
Okay, that's perfect timing, huh? And then they were like, okay, so...
And he was like, and then, you know, I had the they left the car in the clearing behind the cemetery.
And that's when I picked it up. And they were like, OK, cool.
How did they... And he was like, and they did this at night, on this night.
And he was like, okay, cool. How did they get out of the cemetery? without a car at night in the middle of the winter.
Right. How did that happen? And he was like, Yeah, I don't know.
Crazy. Those girls are wild. He's like, those girls are so chaotic.
Like, so adventurous. So adventurous. So adventurous.
Much hippie. Yes. Much hippie. So that's... So he's like...
That's not true either. No. And they're like, dude, they're like, hey, we just like to like pencil you in to tell the truth.
So can you let us know when that's happening?
So now he's like, all right, I'm ready. I'm ready to tell you what it is.
All right. Okay. So now they're both pregnant and they both want abortion.
So this is like the eighth story. at this point and he's like and now instead of going to Montreal they're going to California again and they needed money because they both have to get abortions right So that's why he bought their car.
So he bought the car again. So that whole thing before was just bullshit.
Okie dokie. Then he said he... Then he was like...
I just, I didn't know where they were going to leave the car.
I just found the car in the woods on chance.
And he said he found it with two friends of his, Timmy and Steve.
Timmy and Steve, do they exist? They do, weirdly enough, because when I first heard it, I was like, there's no Timmy and Steve.
Get out of here. So then he was like, I took the car and I parked it in front of my brother's home in Boston.
And then he claimed the girls just came and stole it back.
Wow. But the police were like, but they didn't have the keys, Tony.
Oh, my God. How did they steal it back?
And he goes, I don't know. Oh, wow. And they were like, did anyone see him do it?
No. No. Nope. No one saw him do it. Then he said, Russell, the friend they were supposed to pick up and bring somewhere, who was like, I didn't see, like, they never met me.
Like, they didn't show up because... They had been killed by Tony.
He said Russell called him. And said the car was at an airport in Burlington.
How the fuck does Russell know you? I know it's at an airport in Burlington.
Wow. So he said he went there. He went to Burlington, Vermont.
The car was there. And he's like, oh, and then I just ran into Patricia and Marianne in downtown Burlington.
Wowee. Just on the sidewalk. And they were like, sorry.
Sorry that we took that car back. My bad.
And they were like, oh, we're going to Canada because we just want to run away. again i just want to run away so he's like so i'm just such a good guy yeah That even though they stole back the car that they gave me, I drove them to the airport again.
And they got on a plane to Montreal and that was that.
I never saw them again. Okay. And police were like...
I thought you said that you never saw them again after Provincetown.
And he was like, my bad, Burlington. He was like, I lied. my bad i forgot that we went all the way to vermont yeah he was like there's a lot of places So many places in the world.
A lot of places, a lot of things, a lot of time periods.
You know, California kind of sounds like Canada, so that's my mistake.
You know, Canada. Oh, Canada. A C. It's just, yeah, I can see how he's confused.
You know? So the police are like... Wow.
You lying. Yikes. No, the police are like, why you always lying?
That's literally what the Provincetown police did.
Then he told them... That he only came back to P-Town because his mother told him all about the missing girls.
Oh. And since he had their car, he figured he was like, I should come and clear things up, which is like, wow, you made it about as clear as mud.
Yeah. Buddy. So it's like I came here to clear things up by telling you 15 different stories that don't make any sense.
Right. Thank you so much. And also I didn't tell you until you started looking into me.
Exactly. Weird. So it's like, okay. So the officer was even like, wait, so where are they?
Like do you know, like are they in Montreal?
He's like, I never saw them again, bruh.
Because at one time, he also said he was going to go meet them somewhere.
And he was like, well, then where are they?
And he was like, I don't know. And he told that he was like, I think they're in Canada.
That's where they last went. I'm going to Montreal.
And he was like, the police officer was like, okay, because he was getting annoyed with the police officer being like, they're in Canada.
And he was like, oh, I'm sorry, you've told me so many things, I forgot where they ended up at the end of the story.
So then... Tony suddenly gets angry. Uh oh.
Because now the guy's like, you changed your story.
And he's like, what? No, I didn't. I did not.
So he gets angry and he says, do you think I killed them?
And the police officer's like, he's like, whoa, I didn't even think they were dead.
He didn't say anything about them being dead.
They're just missing. We just want to find them alive and bring them back to their families.
What are you talking about? And so he was like, what do you know about this?
And he literally goes, you're not going to find them.
Oh, and then he just was like, yeah, I don't want the car back or the bill of sale.
Like you can keep it. It's cool. And they were like, oh, okay.
Like go off. Yeah. And they were like, okay.
Well, I mean, really, do they technically have anything to hold him on?
No. They don't. All they have is that he's a creepy fuck and that he clearly has something to do with it, but they can't.
Because they also don't have bodies. They have nothing.
What can you do without a body? What can you do without a body?
I don't know. So they found out, they were like, all right, we got to start talking to people more about this Tony character because we got to find out more.
So So they find out from people talking to people about Tony that he's a complete asshole and Especially to Avis, his ex-wife.
He had... You know, he at one point had been abusing her and the children.
He would rape her. He liked to... He and friends said this whole act about loving his kids is like bullshit.
Of course. It usually is. He never saw them.
Like literally never. And he was like, and when he did, he was annoyed by them and said they were like a big Well, and also you love your kids, but you don't pay child support.
Nope. And he said like he would go home and like friends would see him and like the older kids would be like oh my god daddy and like jump and like run all over him and he He'd be like, he'd just like walk through them.
Like wouldn't acknowledge them. Cool of you to make kids and think they're annoying.
Very cool. Now, Officer Berrio at the time or Chief Berrio at the time said he had heard rumors around town at the time when that Avis had been rushed to the hospital at one point, very ill.
And it was because Tony had fed her embalming fluid.
What? because remember he's a taxidermist he has it i was like where did he get that i forgot this is it for taxidermy right Now, and apparently he also, and I think I mentioned it later, but I might as well mention it now. that Avis said that he liked to have sex with her while she was unconscious.
So he would often like ask her if he could like choke her out or like give her something to make her unconscious.
Oh, so I don't know about you, but to me, that makes me think that you like to fuck dead bodies.
Yeah. That's necrophilia. Yep. That's something.
Brought to you by necrophilia. So now they're like, let's find this Timmy and Steve he mentioned in one of his stories. because you know he's definitely implicating people now so we might as well chat with these people yeah Turns out their names were Steve Grund and Timmy Weed Atkins.
Not real. Weed in quotations. So apparently he was just called Weed.
That's incredible. Oh, Timmy Weed. Now, so Steve comes into the police station.
And he says February 2nd, they were walking down Commercial Street in Provincetown around 1030 p.m. and they saw Tony at a phone booth, and he had his bike leaning against the phone booth, And he like pops out and is like, oh, hey guys, I just need to chat with you for a second.
And they were like, okay. Mm-hmm. Now he asked if they wanted to go to Boston because he said he had a car.
Mm-hmm. and they were like okay so steve agreed and he's like you know we and so tony was like we have to take a cab to go get the car Because I had to park it somewhere the cops wouldn't find it.
So already Steve is like, giving information of like no that car wasn't there he said he parked it there right so that cops wouldn't find it Now Steve's worried a little bit and is like, uh... Whose car be this?
Yeah, like, what the fuck? But Tony's assuring him his...
It's not stolen. Everything's fine. Everything's legit.
So they got a ride out there to the clearing behind the cemetery and there was the car.
And he said he would tell them how he got it on the way to Boston.
Okay. I'd be like, that's okay. No. I don't need to go.
No. So on the way, he said the whole story about two Providence girls... who bought hashish from him last summer, never paid him, so he took their car from them and paid them a couple hundred bucks.
Okay. He said they were going to Canada and he was going to be meeting up with them soon.
Okay. So they were like, okay, that's weird.
So he ended up later. So they, I guess they drove him to Boston where he got a couple things and they drove him to like, he ended up driving to Burlington or something. uh but that's not really important so he ended up later trying to sell a gun to timmy but steve told him Steve told Timmy, no, like that's strange.
He was like, that whole situation was weird.
I would not buy shit off of him. Especially not gums.
He was like, it's definitely stolen. It's definitely dirty.
There's something in here. It was like used in a crime. yeah so he advised timmy against it and timmy was like okay i won't buy the gun Okay, like I'm not trying to tell you like how to do murder, but like you live in Provincetown.
If you want to get rid of the gun, just throw it into the water.
Well, that's actually, I think that's what they think ended up happening.
Okay. But yeah, so, and Timmy was only like 20 years old.
He was like a young kid. Weed. I think he thought like weed was going to take this and like be fine with it.
So Timmy corroborated Steve's story to the police.
Okay. So they then got Tony's police record and those nighttime break-ins came up. when he was younger.
Yeah, duh. And they were like, oh, it's starting to look more and more like he is, there's some shady shit going on.
Right, right, right. Now, a missing persons report comes through for someone named Susan Perry.
Okay. Okay. uh you might remember susan perry from earlier she was a girlfriend and lived with tony yes Now, her mother put in this missing persons report.
She said the 18 year old had dropped out of high school, You were so close.
And went somewhere with, I know, and went somewhere with friends, but she had not heard her since like Labor Day.
Oh, no. Now the police were like, ma'am, that was six months ago.
And they were like, why did you wait half a year to report your daughter missing?
Like, what is that? And she was like... hippies you know like just hippies and you're like Okay.
Alrighty. That's your child. But okay, like, that's fine.
Live your life. Like, it was just like the 60s.
This is just very 60s. I know. That must have been hard.
There was probably a lot of parents that had kids run away.
And can you imagine being the police back then?
You're just like... When did they leave?
And they're like, I don't know, four years ago.
And you're like... Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
There's not a lot I can do here. I don't think I can help you i think that's that's ending now so at this point they thought the body could that they had found in the behind the terroir cemetery yeah they thought this might be sydney monzen Who had gone missing before.
Did she also date him? She did. Yes. Okay. she had been missing since Memorial Day and she matched the description.
So they were like, all right, Because when this missing persons report for Susan Perry came in, they didn't even think of it yet that that could be her.
So they spoke to Sidney Monson's sister, and she said last time she saw her sister... she was getting into a car with Tony Costa.
And she said she had been hanging around with Tony Costa for about a month, They said they didn't like her hanging out with him.
None of them liked him. No. He was known to be creepy and shady, a hard drug user, and that he liked younger girls. no thanks so they compared her prints to the body didn't match No.
Not Sydney. Not Sydney. So now Tony has changed his story again.
Oh my God. And he said he actually gave the girls 300 bucks and borrowed 600 from his brother.
He just, whoops. When are we going to call his brother?
Yeah. But now, so they had already talked to the brother, the police.
And he confirmed that he lent him 300 bucks.
Okay. So now he's like, no, I didn't give him $600.
He's like, what do you think I am, an idiot?
And so they bring that to Tony. They're like, Tony, that's a lie.
And Tony was like, no... Vincent's mistaken.
And they were like, no, brother. No, he was not.
No, brother. So then he says that Marianne and Patricia were really hard drug users, deeply addicted to heroin. and a hashish.
Not true. And the police said that's not true.
Nothing indicated that in their backstory.
Like we talked to everyone they know. We would know that.
Also, they're literally teachers. Literally.
And so then they also asked about the hair dryer.
And the sweater, they were like, tell, why were those in your room?
It's also weird that the, I'm still confused about why the mom asked for her hair dryer.
That's, and it's weird. It's strange. That's not a coincidence.
I think it was Toni asking her to call and ask and she just didn't ask anything.
I think she was just like, can he have his hair dryer?
Yeah. So they asked about that. And he said, those were already in my room when I got there.
Which is literally impossible because he was already at the rooming house when they arrived.
Before them. So they were like... No, that doesn't make sense.
And he was like, I don't know. I don't know.
And they were like, fuck. So they were like, dude, get a lawyer because we're pretty sure we're going to be arresting you soon.
Like they were like. You should get a lawyer because you're real fucked and you're not helping yourself.
So now, meanwhile, everyone in Marianne and Patricia's life were saying they were definitely coming back to Providence after this trip.
There was no indication they were going anywhere else.
They were not going to Canada. They were not going to LA.
They all confirmed, including the girls' boyfriends, that they never used drugs.
They just smoked pot every once in a while.
They had a crime scene investigator look at the VW bug, and they finally located and took custody of it after... i was gonna say jesus christ they did a test for blood you know non-visible blood sure And it lit up.
So the steering wheel, the front passenger seat, a ton was found on the back of the front passenger seat.
There was also visible blood smears on the handles and rope that had been found in Tony's possession. had brown female hairs in it and there was also fuchsia lipstick and blood on it Oh no.
They tested his boots that he had left at the rooming house and there was also blood on those.
Uh oh. Meanwhile, he had been in and out of his mother's apartment on Cape Cod.
And she had said they were having that since he had left, like since he had been there and left.
They were having plumbing issues suddenly in the upstairs bedroom where he was staying.
Okay. And she was like, I'm pretty sure like he's flushing things down the toilet.
And I don't know what. Imagine your grown ass son, like, and that's what you're dealing with.
I'd be like, Get out of my fucking apartment.
I literally can't. And she, again, said she was afraid of her son and she didn't like him hanging around.
Oh. That makes me so sad. Yeah and she was like there's something going on.
So they came to, she had the police come and they had the cesspool pumped and found pictures of women ripped into shreds that had been flushed down the toilet.
Okay. Now, they're continuing their questions of anyone who knew Tony. and they find a girl that he knew named Masha Mowry.
Now, she's a teen, still in high school, because he's a fucking pervert.
And she said he often took her to his garden where he kept his plants.
And one time in 1967, he brought her there and brought a bow and arrow and targets. because he was apparently a known like very good archer.
That's terrifying. they were walking back she was ahead of him and she got shot in the back with an arrow Her heavy coat was her savior, I guess, because it stopped it from like really, she was punctured with it.
But he told her he was trying to send the arrow next to her into a tree to scare her.
But everyone said he's very skilled with arrows and wouldn't have missed that badly.
Wow. Yeah. So he was trying to kill her.
Yeah, pretty much. She was also friends with Avis and she told her Tony made her take tranks a lot because he preferred to have sex with her when she was unconscious.
I mean, how good friends are you with Avis if you're messing around with her mans?
Exactly. Now, she also said he beat her with a belt.
That's not nice. They forced Marsha. Her name was Marsha.
I said Marsha before, but I... It was auto-correct.
It's fine. Masha. Masha. So they forced Masha to... to show them the garden because at first she was not, she didn't want to.
She was like, but they forced her to and it was close to the place where the unidentified body had been found so they were like oh it's all coming together and the bug and the bug So they began searching the garden and they found a purse and a wallet with Patricia's cards in them.
They kept searching. They found two ID cards from Rhode Island College cut in half. they were patricia and marianne and i'm sorry this is in the garden in the garden okay Also found items from the colleges like a report card from fall 67. a student schedule for fall 68.
And these were all Marian and Patricia's.
Yeah. They also found a bill from the bursar.
They also found a receipt for the rooming house signed by Patricia Morton for the days they had stayed there. they knew they were close to finding them because why the hell would literally everything they own and came with be in this random place near another dead body yeah so they were like they have to be here yeah uh the next day they went back because they needed light they had found these things at night They found bits of red stained rope around a tree. a lot of drug paraphernalia, and a razor blade.
As they moved around the area, they came upon a gold earring.
And they begin moving away. some leaves and like, you know, some earth that looked disturbed.
And they found this big area that looked like the earth had been dug. recently, like clearly someone had dug and refilled a hole.
Right. Officer Edgar Tom Gunnery who started digging with a shovel about three feet down and then he started using his hands to dig.
Dude was crazy. Also on the scene was officer Bernie Flynn.
Officer George Killen and Chief Francis Marshall.
George Killen? George Killen. He had to be a cop.
He was. They eventually uncovered a human hand.
Oh. And a wrist, which was protruding upwards out of the soil.
And it was wearing a ring. Then they found hair, which was attached to a scalp.
They pulled the hair to try to, like, move it a little bit, and it, like... came off the scalp.
Flynn, so Officer Flynn cupped his hands around the head to pull it up.
And it was a severed head. It pulled right out.
It was of a woman. The nose was clearly broken and the left cheek was swollen and bruised.
Just like the past rotting the NIH. identified one.
Exactly. They pulled out more parts including a headless torso with arms attached but severed in the middle of the abdomen.
And was that one missing a hand? This one...
I don't think so. Okay, so this is one of the two.
Yeah. The chest was sliced open on this one and the skin was flayed back to the shoulders like the other one.
They also found a green dress, nylons, boots, and also a blood-stained rope.
They immediately put out a warrant for arrest for Tony Costa as they kept digging.
So while they put out the warrant, they're still digging.
Yeah. These dudes... Were badass. I love that.
They dug with their bare hands and shit the entire time.
Like, they excavated this entire scene. That's insane.
Incredible. And one of them, I think it was Officer Flynn, was saying that for like... days and days afterwards he kept trying to wash his jacket but like it just wouldn't get rid of the smell so he ended up having to throw it away As they kept digging, they found a green, very 60s embroidered smock.
More nylons, more pill bottles. Then they went to another area nearby and saw some more disturbed dirt.
Uh-huh. So they began to dig again, hoping to find the other body.
It didn't take long. About two feet down, they saw human remains, a woman's legs severed at the waist. and slashed up with flesh flayed all over.
They also found the upper portion with the same opened up chest and flayed back flesh.
The face was beaten badly and they knew it was Patricia Walsh.
Oh, no. In the same grave they found a pair of women's legs and a pelvis separated. which they were like, probably belongs to the other body.
Uh-huh. And it's interesting that the pelvis was a thing in the unidentified body it's very weird and the legs were again viciously slashed down the front and back they found a white blood-soaked sweater and brown pants.
Now these bodies were very preserved, these two, Because they were pretty recent and it was freezing.
Okay. So the ground was freezing. It just preserved them.
But the smell in that second grave. or in both the graves was terrible.
I can't imagine. So they were wondering where the fuck it was coming from because it...
It wasn't coming from these bodies. Because they weren't super decomposed.
They were pretty preserved. And you'll see when a body's in a cold air, like you don't really get too much of a smell you'll get like a little of the smell that makes sense it really takes some warmth to think of like this is horrible to say but like think of like cold garbage versus hot garbage.
Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. So they were like, what is smelling so bad?
Yeah. So they're like, we better keep digging.
So they did. They find another body underneath these two bodies.
Now this is the fourth total. This is a fourth body.
It was posed and dismembered but with all the pieces placed in the right position.
That is so terrifying. Something about that is real creepy.
It's so much. But it was missing one leg.
And it was black, like blackened skin, like clearly black. very decomposed and badly rotting, like very old.
With exposed jaw and teeth, which they said made it look like it was smiling.
Oh, yeah. No, no, no. The body had long, dark hair.
And with this body, they found a shirt, jeans, and sandals.
Okay. So now they have two new bodies that they have found dismembered in the same area as the third body. unidentified body that has also been dismembered.
And then they also have one that has been buried underneath the newer two and has been there for a long time.
Right. So they're like, what the fuck is going on?
And now they know this is the area the VW bug was found in.
They know this is Tony's garden that he's been to a million times.
Right. but now they just need evidence like they just need like the actual tangible evidence or something But now they're like, you know what?
Because before they could... They were going to pick up Tony... for automobile theft, like felony automobile theft for the VW Bug.
Just to hold it. just to hold him, but they were holding off on doing that because they didn't want to scare him until they had stuff to hold him with.
Like longer. But after they found these three more bodies, Immediately picked up Tony Costa for felony automobile theft for the van.
And then when they got him in there, they booked him for murder.
Incredible. And I'm going to stop right there.
You bitch! Because, holy shit. shit waiting to you here the next episode is going to have the autopsies because shit gets worse um We identify the bodies and we talk about Tony after the fact.
Wowza, wowza. Guys, this case is nuts and I am so remiss that I didn't know about it before.
It's so, I feel like, I don't know if I'm, like, super interested because it happened in our home, like, near our home.
Yeah. Like, I don't know what it is. Probably because it's the 60s and we all know me.
But I am I want to read this book well now and it sounds terrible But a lot of people I guess like to go to the area where this was all found and stuff and I'm like shit I want to go I'm not gonna lie to you I kind of want to go because I really want to go and it's weird because usually I'm not somebody that wants to do that You really don't but I need to go.
I want to go. And it's so close. And I fucking love P-Town.
I do, too. So who doesn't? Well, this isn't true, but same deal.
It's like right there. So and it like he's from.
P-Town the whole thing started in P-Town so it's like so weird to think of how many times I've been to P-Town and like walked around and like not like And they were likely killed in P-Town and then brought to Truro.
Right, because they stayed in P-Town. Yeah, exactly.
Wow. This is, first of all, like, hello, great job.
Thank you. Per usual. Wow. It's crazy. So part two will be out shortly.
I am not quite done with it, but it'll be done very shortly.
I want it now. I know. I want it now Elena.
I want it now. I'll try to get it done as quickly as humanly possible.
We'll try to get... It'll either be, you know... you know tomorrow or it'll be the very next episode that we'll do early i'm so excited Depending on what I can get.
Because I just keep finding more and I want to add more.
So I just want to make sure I have it how I want.
Well, we have to record for Scream tonight.
We do. We're recording for Scream. Oh, by the way, I'm going to be on Scream.
Oh, yeah. Ash is going to be on Scream tonight.
So for the next episode. Spoiler alert.
Yay. All right, guys. Well, that's everything for now.
That's everything for now. So in the meantime, give us a follow on Instagram.
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But not so weird that you do a bunch of drugs in P-Town and then you don't have a good time because Tony is in town, Tony Chop Chop, and he's going to chop you off and it's not going to be so grand.
Don't keep it so weird that you change your story like 85 times.
Don't do that because it makes you look like so, so, so guilty.
And you are so guilty. Fuck you, Tony. Chop chop.
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