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And I'm Alayna. And this is Mobbed. It's Mobbed.
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You're here. We're all here. We're here and we're queer.
At least one of us is. You're pretty weird.
I'm queer adjacent. Queer adjacent. So I think today I know what the case is because Ash warned me ahead of time because she's a loving human being.
Yeah. this is a gnarly one yeah so I just we just want to warn you ahead of time Yeah, this involves sexual assault and abuse and it is of a young child.
Yeah, it's... If that's not your jam, then I will see you for Saturday.
I am not psyched. I know. but I do feel like it was like an important case to be told.
Oh, Every case is an important case to be told, so it's as gnarly as it is and how much I don't want to hear this.
Yeah. You gotta do it. You gotta do it.
You gotta do it. And actually, as I was, because I was like, oh, we're doing a child murder case.
Crazy. And then I was thinking about something somebody tweeted at us recently.
I think it was like yesterday. Yeah. And I started looking into it and I was like, holy shit.
So this is way like super new, ongoing. But I figured it was worth mentioning because we definitely want to follow this.
In Lancaster in California... This 34 year old father of, I believe, four.
He had a 12-year-old, 13-year-old, 8-year-old, and a 9-year-old.
Yeah. He's a personal trainer. He was doing like Zoom personal training sessions.
Suddenly he doesn't show up for his Zoom sessions and his clients are like, that's weird.
He always shows up. He always shows up on time.
He would never not show up. Well, they're like, maybe he was murdered.
They found out he had decapitated His 12 and 13 year olds, a son and a daughter.
Oh my god. put them in their bedrooms, and then his other two kids, his eight and nine year old, he showed them the bodies.
Yeah. Then for five days, kept them in their bedrooms with no food.
With no food? I didn't read that part. Walked to them.
What the fuck? Fuck. For five days. And then so because he missed the Zoom That's how they discovered that something was weird, but I guess somebody thought it was like a gas leak or something at first, and that's why they showed up.
And I guess there is a woman that they found in the house as well, and they assume she's the mother.
I guess she's being questioned as well, but they don't think she had obviously anything to do with it.
She might have been a victim as well. Wow.
So... Obviously, this is very new, very ongoing, but I just wanted to mention it because Holy shit.
No, that's a lot. And then you wonder, like, This is the thing that like this, like it's so hard, like this lockdown and everything.
It's so necessary, but it's so hard for like.
People who are dealing with abusive households, people who are fragile mentally, you know, anyways, like this is... tough it is it's a lot let's roll out that vaccine yeah let's do it But yeah, this is one of those situations where it's like, oh God, I can't imagine what that household was like.
I know. Especially before this, because it couldn't have been a happy house to begin with.
Well, that's the thing. Things like that, it's always like a lead up.
And it's being exasperated from, because I'm sure, I think people were saying they were going through financial issues and stuff.
Always. It's all just a big old mess. But it's like decapitated.
Decapitated. It's very... I can't find the right word, but it's very strange that only two of them We're killed in such a gruesome manner.
And then the other two and potentially the mom were just like...
I wouldn't say untouched, but. Well, they were like starved and it's like, what was he planning on doing?
I don't know. And then to think that he's just like working out on Zoom.
Yeah. His decapitated children are in his home.
It's very strange. It's terrifying. It's a strange, weird...
Scary story. That I just had to mention because it was just like blowing my mind.
Yeah, that's a lot. There's another true crime case like unfolding right now.
And a ton of people have been tweeting us about that one, too.
And it's this Instagram influencer, Alexis Sharkey.
They just found her nude body on the side of the road, I believe in Texas.
And she left the Friday after Thanksgiving.
She went missing. And then they found her nude body on the side of the road.
And they're they like haven't ruled foul play out, but they also haven't said definitively like. she was murdered.
Yeah, it seems like some things with that case are being kind of held.
Yeah. Because there's some Some shadiness happening?
There's definitely some shadiness. Her, I mean, they always look at the boyfriend first, of course.
And actually, she was married, so the husband.
You got to look at the spouse or whoever they're in a romantic relationship with first.
He's saying, like, she's my world, she's my everything, la-di-da-do.
But I guess some friends – I was just reading a People magazine article – but her friends were saying that they were having financial and marital troubles.
I mean, that raises red flags no matter what.
It's like you got to know you're going to be the first.
Well, that's something they look at. And if you act even slightly shady...
You're going to raise a ton of red flags.
With that being said, I watched Gone Girl the other night because after we did that. movie.
It is. After we did the Angela Diaz story everybody kept being like oh my god this has Gone Girl vibes and I was like I need to watch that.
It does. Had you not seen it? No, I have.
Oh, I've seen it like so good, but I hadn't seen it for a long time.
And Annie had never seen it. so I showed it to her and at the end I turn around like turn and look at her and she's like what the fuck did I just watch?
She's like can we watch Drag Race now? She's like please don't gone girl me.
I do not have that capability. And I could never slit Neil Patrick Harris's throat.
No, who could? Freaking Amy. Freaking Amy.
That's too good. Amazing Amy. Amazing Amy.
That's a great movie, guys. So good. Go watch it.
It's on Amazon. There's some good movies coming out on like Amazon and stuff and like on demand now because obviously no movie theaters.
Seriously. Which I personally love because movie theaters, as I've gotten older, I've gotten more and more germaphobic, even without COVID.
Yeah. So movie theaters always gave me like a real, real vibe of like.
Yeah. lice and like other things like i'm always very terrified of like the headrest Yeah.
I get that. Because it's just you don't know.
But now most of them. You just don't know.
I know you can probably. like lice can chill on leather but I feel a little bit better now that they're the leather seats instead of those like old cloth ones oh the cloth ones those were a moment get out of here that's that's Those like reclining leather ones.
I miss the movie theaters so much. Yeah.
Yeah. I miss the cinema. I did always like to, John and I for our anniversary would always go, because we never go to the movies.
We used to go when we were dating all the time, but since then it's declined slowly.
And we would go to the Lux level, get the food, get a drink.
The popcorn on the Lux level tastes different.
It's better. It's just different. It's a bougie popcorn.
Yeah. And we, well, for our anniversary, like, you know, we don't know how this started, but But we just started seeing like disaster end of the world flicks on our anniversary.
You truly did. And it just started, and then we just made it a tradition.
We'd see Godzilla. I love that. Just any, like... And there was one with The Rock, and now, of course, I can't remember what... Oh, it was, um...
San Andreas. That was awesome. It's all movies that I would The whole world ending, some crazy earthquake that's destroying the planet.
That's so funny. fucking hate those movies it is and and we always like halfway through the like we'll be quoting like Before the lines come, we're like, we always know some scientist is going to go, mother of God.
And take off his glasses. And then at the end of San Andreas, it was perfect.
Oh, God. Because, like, spoiler alert, it came out, like, years ago.
Yeah. whatever but at the end of it like the you know chaos has ensued throughout the entire movie And then all of a sudden one of the survivors looks at Dwayne the Rock Johnson, of course, and says, what do we do now?
And John literally goes, we rebuild. And then he goes, re-rebuild.
And I was like, you nailed it. I love it.
That was my favorite moment ever was we rebuild it.
I feel like I remember hanging out with you the next day and you telling me that.
That is a real ass story. I was so impressed.
I love that. So impressed. See, whenever Annie and I go to the movies, we don't have a specific genre that we pick, but Annie has a very different... like movie taste than I do.
Yeah. And so it will be like, oh, it's your turn to pick and then it's my turn.
So we just see like the most ridiculous movies.
Oh yeah. If you put them all on a page together.
Because you're covering just a wide net.
We once went to see freaking the Christopher Robin movie.
Oh, yeah. Like Annie literally started sobbing through the entire thing and your girl fell asleep.
Annie's sobbing. Hello. Oh, I have a landmine now.
This has happened before I think. Sorry everybody.
Who is it? Who the fuck calls a landline?
Why is there a landline in my laundry room is what I want to know.
It's probably just a telemarketer. No one's going to answer that.
I just want to be real about that. Yeah.
And it's too far away for me to shut it off.
So I'm sorry. Let's just keep bantering through this.
People are gonna be like, wow, that's a long fucking intro.
It certainly is. I'm like, well, Jake from State Farm is calling, so please hold.
You know, we're just going back. We're going back to our roots real quick and having a 10 minute.
Sometimes I miss them. Sometimes I'm like, today at work I ordered a venti-ventilized chai and I spilled it on my arm.
Those were the best ones. People were like, who gives a fuck, Ash?
Shut up. But these were all relevant, I feel.
Yeah, these were. And it's just me delaying the inevitable. of getting to this stage.
I was literally just going to ask you. I'm like, are you just trying to put this off?
Yeah. All right. Well, you know what? Here we are.
We're going to start. Let's get this going.
I know some people skip over the intro, so I just want to quickly say again.
This case is about a child and it does involve sexual abuse, rape and assault.
So if that's not your jam. See you on Saturday.
Which it shouldn't be your jam. No. If it is your jam, seek some help.
Seek help, please. But yeah, that was a really poor choice of words.
It's not your jam. That's not your jam sesh, man.
Just go jam somewhere else. No, I'm sorry.
I'm a horrible person. All right, so let's get serious.
Let's get into a state of depression. Yay.
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So Sarah Haley Foxwell was born on May 18th, 1998 in Salisbury, Maryland.
And I Googled how to say that. So if I'm wrong, blame Google and not me.
She did. I heard it. Thank you. So Sarah was the middle child in a really big family and her nickname was Haley Bug. oh okay just kill me now yeah sorry because like i said her middle name was hayley so they'd call her hayley bug Sarah's mom said that she was like the referee in the family.
She would always like break up any like arguments between people because she just wanted people to be happy all the time.
She's the mediator. She was always trying to make other people happy.
She was always happy. Like, Her mom said no matter how hard her day had been, that she was smiling through it all.
Oh, good. Yeah. So when she turned 11, she started sixth grade.
She just wanted to be called Sarah. She was like. no more hayley bug my fucking name is sarah yeah she's evolving as a human being she is You know, when you get to sixth grade, you're like, cut my weird nickname.
Yeah. Like I'm being serious now. Like it's just Sarah.
I'm Sarah. Yeah. So she was getting older.
Like I said, she didn't need her nickname, but she was still sweet.
And even though the difficulty she and her family were going through, she was sweet through it all.
But the family was definitely having a difficult time.
Sarah and her siblings were living with their mom's sister, Amy. and their grandpa in 2009 because Jennifer, the mom, was having a really tough time, but she was still going to be spending Christmas with them.
Okay, so it's kind of vague exactly what was going on, but put two and two together.
And Jennifer, I got a lot of information from Crime Watch Daily.
It was like a little YouTube video. But she told them she remembered that she was trying to work overtime to make sure. everyone what they got what they asked for for Christmas that year.
And she told Crime Watch Daily that Sarah wanted a pair of Chuck Taylors.
And that she didn't know what they were.
She was like, I didn't know what they were, but I had to get them.
But I was like, how fucking rad is this little girl?
She wants some chucks. I'm actually, oh my gosh, I'm wearing my chucks right now.
I love that. So on the night of December 22, 2009, Sarah and her siblings were dressed in their Christmas PJs.
Okay. having pizza for dinner and just like goofing around the house, like getting ready for Christmas, talking about how excited they were.
And around 9 o'clock it was time for bed.
So Sarah and her little... little sister Emma literally skipped down the hallway, like her aunt remembers that they skipped down the hallway to their bedroom.
Now, the house was like an older barn house, but it was converted into like a home home, actually kind of like our house that we grew up in.
Good, good. But I think it was one floor from looking at it.
It seems like it was. I'm not totally sure.
It also doesn't matter at all. but um so it's also not relevant it's also not even slightly relevant me me just like going off track just to like like let's talk about something else i'm like that bedroom.
Like I said, their bedroom was down a hallway. at the end of the hallway next to the back door.
Okay. Yeah. Now, that freaks me out. Me too.
Like having a door near... Like it's fine.
I don't want it near my bedroom, but if it's between my bedroom and the kid's bedroom, it's going to be next to my bedroom.
Yeah, I feel like I... Given the choice.
Yeah. If I have a choice. Yeah. Based on everything I know about true crime, I'm just like, literally never put your kids near an exit.
No, don't do it. As much as it would make sense, like, God forbid there was ever a fire or anything, they could get out first.
But I feel like true crime. is more likely to happen than a fire.
And it's like, I would not be able to relax for even a second.
Knowing that there was a door near my children.
No, I feel like putting your children to bed in general, like you don't ever relax.
No. Because you're constantly just like, are you breathing? yeah but like i'm gonna have a monitor on my kids till i think they're like approximately 16. i don't blame you like they're Kids are like really precious.
They are. They're precious cargo. And you're fucking in charge of them.
That is the biggest like. woe of life is like when you have a kid it's like oh shit like I have to be really careful with you yeah Like, I have to keep you alive, I have to keep you thriving, I have to nourish you, I have to nurture you. the shit out of you I have to teach you literally everything you will ever know I have to teach you the English language and I can barely do it it's It's a lot.
It is. But it's great. But it's a lot. It is.
So these girls freak me out. We're skipping down the hallway to the bedroom next to the back door.
So sad. Now, all the doors and windows were locked that night, like tight, tight as the rest of the house went to bed.
They locked all the doors and everything.
And everybody went to bed. Now, something wasn't quite right the next morning when I believe the grandpa woke up. that went to go wake up the kids to get them ready for school.
And then he went to Aunt Amy and was like, Sarah's not in her... Well, this was Christmas Eve, right?
No, it was December 22nd. Oh, December 22nd.
I thought. Yeah. So he said he was waking them up for school.
OK. And. He went to Amy and he was like, Sarah's not in her bed.
Like, have you seen her like throughout the house?
And Amy was like, no. So they start like ransacking the house, looking for Sarah.
They're looking outside and they can't find her anywhere.
And then Amy goes to the bathroom like just to check that out and realizes that Sarah's green toothbrush is missing.
That, I don't know why, that sends fucking chills down my spine.
You know why? Because I was talking about it to myself because of who I am as a person.
What the fuck? Something so like because that's a very like mundane task brushing your teeth.
Yes. That's just something you do every morning every night without thinking.
For that, like a little, and it's very innocent, like a little girl's green toothbrush, for that to be missing...
Yeah. It's very unsettling. And it tells a lot about intentions.
Yeah. Like, a lot about what was going on here.
It's just not... It's not something I want to even...
Let my mind wander into? No. It's a dark place.
That brings you into a dark place. And we can kind of talk about it a little bit after, because I, you never really find out exactly, like, why her toothbrush was gone, but we can kind of talk about it amongst.
Yeah, we can kind of. Me and you. I'm like amongst ourselves, all of us here.
We can infer. So the other thing was that Sarah's shoes and her coat were still in the house.
So that was weird. So Amy immediately called her sister Jennifer and was like, Sarah's nowhere to be found.
But other than that, all of her important things except for the toothbrush are here.
So like, what the fuck? Like, I don't know what's going on.
So right off the bat, Jennifer was like, something is wrong here, obviously.
But also it was 25 degrees out, two days out from Christmas, and it had been snowing.
So where had Sarah gone without a jacket and without shoes?
Nowhere good. Nowhere good. So Jennifer headed out to the house and the police got called like right away.
Now, when the police arrived on scene, they started searching in the house, outside of the house, like just any... like looking for any sign of Sarah and they double checked like all the doors and the windows because Amy was like No, like they were all shut tight.
Like every door and window, I double check them every single night.
Yeah. Whoa, that just scared the shit out of me.
Sorry for that siren if you heard it. So they looked for any sign of a break-in.
And all the doors and windows were locked, just like Amy told them.
So they're going through and they're checking every single one and they get to the back of the house.
And the door just opens. The back door just opens right up.
It was unlocked. But she knew that it was locked the night before.
She knew that it was locked the night before because she locked it herself.
She was like... You even chasm. Oh, my God.
Why? The world is trying to get in contact.
Seriously. But can you imagine? Like, I know I say this all the time.
I think people always say it like you say, can you imagine?
We both do. But how can you not? When you're going telling these stories, you have to put yourself there.
Immediately your mind goes to... Like, holy shit, what if this was me?
And if my brain didn't go there... I feel like I would be officially desensitized from everything.
Honestly, it shows that you're an empath.
It's, you have to put yourself, especially when you have like kids or family, people you love.
Yeah. I was just going to say loved ones.
Just loved ones in general. Yeah. Knowing you locked that door the night before.
And then having it be unlocked. And then just going to open it and click it just opens.
Because that's your safety net at first.
Even though she's gone, in her head, she's probably sitting there thinking, I locked that door.
So no one came in here because I locked that door.
Exactly. And as soon as it clicks open, it's like, well, fuck.
There goes any hope of... This didn't happen.
It's like in How I Met Your Mother, except like completely different, but when the glasses.
I was like, yeah, it's so true. All of a sudden that like perfect little like image, naive, you know, blissful ignorance, just perfect.
It's gone. They're like, okay, you said you locked all the doors, but this one's wide open.
She's like, no. There's no reason that should be open.
And then she kind of trails off and she's like, that she's like, there's a spare key.
Or like, I don't know if they asked her, but she was like, I keep a spare key on... the porch under this like little garden decoration.
So they went to go check and see if the spare key was still there. and they were met with an empty slab of porch underneath.
So the spare key is gone. I'm a big proponent of no spare keys outside.
I'm also a big proponent of literally no spare keys.
I'm just one of those. If anything, keep it in your car.
Yeah. Like I just, you know, just if I can't get in the house, that's one thing.
No, I don't want anyone else getting in there.
So now they realize whoever was with Sarah not only knew where the spare key was hidden, but also knew exactly which bedroom to go into.
Because remember, there's a lot of kids in this house.
And they went to that exact bedroom. And they took one specifically. child exactly because like i was just gonna say remember she shares the bedroom with her sister emma Oh, yeah.
But this person, whoever took her, just wanted Sarah.
Oh, that's even worse. So that goes to show this is somebody that you know.
Yeah. So that's super weird. And then on top of that, all everyone was super confused that somebody had come into the house because now the police are like well somebody must have come in here like who do you know that knows where your spare key is but they're like the dog didn't bark Oh, so this now this is somebody who's very familiar.
Yeah. Solidifying the fact that this is somebody who's been around this family for a while.
Wow. And the police explained that like whoever they were searching for totally knew this family and specifically had targeted Sarah.
They were like, whoever this is has like a fascination with Sarah.
Holy shit. So at that point they put out a statewide Amber Alert and police started searching for her 24-7 just hoping that they'd be able to get her home for Christmas because remember.
At this point, she had gone to sleep on the 22nd.
This is the 23rd now. So we're like not far from Christmas at all.
So the sheriff, whose name is Mike Lewis, encouraged people to search their properties on their own and tie a little yellow ribbon around their mailbox if they had searched and nothing had come up.
And he went to do a helicopter ride just like pretty quickly after he made that announcement.
And he said the entire community was lit up with yellow ribbons. really oh yeah so everybody everybody was searching which was like a touching but haunting reminder that she was still out there waiting to be found.
So every officer they had was working around the clock and almost like all of them were working.
And there were special dogs that got brought in.
Law enforcement across the country swooped in to help.
There were people who had come all the way from North and South Dakota ready to, like, search for Sarah.
Oh, shit. I mean... When a child is taken out of their bed in the middle of the night.
That shit is so beyond nightmarish. Yeah, that will rock a fucking nation.
Oh, yeah. Easily. So the family was all stationed at the house just waiting to find anything out.
Again, like I said, there's other kids in this house.
They still have to take care of these other kids.
Oh, my God. I would never. How are you even mentally capable at that point?
How do you ever sleep in a different room than your child after that?
I don't know. I would literally be like you're sleeping in my bed forever.
Forever. And like never letting you go.
I don't know how these I give these parents and like guardians so much credit for like being able to. continue on this i know well and they're just sitting there like who do we know that has a spare key who would have like taken Sarah, like who has a weird fascination with her?
I can't think of anybody. Now, while that's going on, Sarah's little sister Emma, who, by the way, was six years old and she's the one that she shared the room with.
She comes over to her grandma, who's at the house with the whole family, and tugs on her nightgown.
And she says, I have a secret. Oh, no. Oh, she's six.
She's six and she says, I have a secret.
And she the grandma whispers or the grandma leans down and Emma whispers to her that she knows who took Sarah.
Oh, my God. She said a man was in the room that night and woke her up, but she pretended to be sleeping because she was scared.
But she heard everything that he said to Sarah and knew exactly who he was.
She said... I saw them talking and then I saw them leave.
And she said he was wearing blue jeans, white sneakers, and an orange coat, and his name was Mr. Tommy.
I hate this so much. This case is so fucked.
Now we're going to talk about who Mr. Tommy was.
Oh, no. So Thomas Legs was a well-known name in this community, especially to the police.
This dude is like an absolute monster. So again, warning, if you don't want to hear about some gruesome shit, now's your chance.
And we're going to be real hard on this guy, so if that upsets you, maybe...
Don't listen. That shouldn't upset you, but whatever.
So he was a registered sex offender, not only in Maryland, but also in Delaware.
And he had previously been sentenced to seven years in prison for the fourth degree rape of a teenage girl.
Now, she's listed as being either 16 or 17 years old at the time she was attacked.
Somehow they let this motherfucker out early on good behavior after serving six months of his fucking sentence.
Come on. Six months of a seven year sentence for raping a 16 or 17 year old girl.
And I'm sorry. You're good in prison. So you get out early, even though that doesn't prove that you don't have these compulsions anymore.
Well, and I'm sorry to be really blunt here, but there's no little girls walking around prison.
Obviously, he's being good. He can't do what he... is what does best like fucking disgusting come on man So obviously that letting him out ended up being a huge mistake because He landed himself right back in prison, this time on charges of a third-degree sexual offense involving a child.
Oh my god, I want to kill this guy. It only gets worse.
For that offense, he only spent another six months in jail.
And because a leopard never changes its spots, as soon as he got out, he reoffended almost immediately and landed himself back in jail.
Because he's doing like five minutes in jail each time.
Right, and I'm seeing a pattern here. At this point, he probably knows I'm going to get...
A slap on the wrist. I come back out. I do the same thing.
And then I come back out. Someone give him a fucking consequence.
Right. It's like you're letting him trick the system.
God. So like I said, he ended up in jail again.
Now, this last offense was reported by a 24-year-old woman who told police that he crawled through her bedroom window at in the middle of the night and she woke up to him almost completely naked he was wearing boxers His clothes just scattered on the floor around him, quote, committing a sexual act over her as he watched her sleep.
What the fuck? So essentially, you know, over her in the middle of the night as she's sleeping.
If only she had something to cut it right off.
Cut it right off. Lorena Bobbitt that shit.
And here it is again. I've said this before.
Anybody who comes into your fucking house in the middle of the night.
Crazy person. Is so beyond... Unhinged.
A terrifying human person. Like... That's a daemon.
A daemon. Like a straight up daemon because they have no idea what they're coming into and they don't care.
They don't give a fuck. They don't know if they're walking into, I mean, you could have like 17 shotguns pointed at their window.
They have no idea. And they don't care.
They're just going to come in anyway. That's fucked.
That's the scariest thing. That should scare the shit out of anybody.
Home invasion, scare the shit out of anybody. of me in fact invaders are some of the scariest people it is we have um i'm going off track here but we had like a maintenance team come in the other day to my apartment to flush a water valve.
I don't know. we have like just like a regular door lock, but all of the maintenance people have the key to that.
So we added like a dead nut. What's that thing called on the top?
Like a latch? Yeah, like a chain. like a chain lock but i was like so freaked out that anybody had just a fucking master key to my apartment hate that I was like joke's on you we added another lock and you know what guys get simply safe because it makes the do do do do exactly So, but okay, so he broke into this girl's house and she goes to tell the police.
Now, she told the police and reporters that she had met Thomas and invited him to her home actually on an occasion before this.
But he got super weird and she like basically forced him to leave.
Oh, no. He got weird in a sexual way. It's not totally uncovered what he said or did.
Yeah, it's not detailed. Right. But he, I guess, apologized a few days later, like, for the initial thing.
And they made amends. But then she woke up to him that night. doing this over her nope And like I said, she told him to get the fuck out.
Now, she said she noticed later that he had cut open the screen to one window and and almost completely removed the screen on another bedroom window.
So this motherfucker came right here. removed the screen to her bedroom window.
That is so indicative of... like the scariest pathology.
And it's like when law enforcement, doesn't see this and doesn't act properly with this shit ahead of time, this is the shit that happens.
Yup, exactly. You ignore that kind of indicators of a really scary pathology.
A very dangerous human. Look at the escalation that's happening here.
Exactly. We went from... You could have stopped it.
Sexual offense, sexual offense, sexual offense, sexual offense.
Probably, like, I can't even... I don't even know how many are on this guy's rap sheet.
Because some of them, like, the charges were dropped because... we all know how sexual offense gets dealt with.
Yeah, and it's like somebody fucking look at this shit yeah and it's like yeah you just gotta you gotta nip it before it gets this exactly Now, and here's the fucking kicker here.
This last offense happened just a few months before December of 2009.
So he would have he got incarcerated again, but he posted Bond and was able to get out and do this to Sarah.
Because, spoiler alert, obviously he's the one that took Sarah.
Like the deranged animal he was, he's ready to prey on his next victim.
Hello? I hate that. I also, like I said, I want to point out that these are just the reported crimes.
And I can't imagine how many other young girls were assaulted by him.
The Baltimore Sun also reported, That on the same day, his newborn daughter was being brought home because this guy's a father.
Fucking kidding me. On the same day his baby girl, his brand new baby girl was brought home, he attacked a 13-year-old girl.
So clearly we're talking about a guy that will literally just stop at nothing to just wreak complete havoc on society.
And you know... It's so much. I just want to scream.
It is. It's a lot. Because also, first of all, the fact that he was having a child when he's clearly a child predator is so beyond my brain capacity.
Unreal. But then on top of that, you have a baby girl.
And she's being brought home. And that doesn't change. anything about the way that you view That alone shows you how deep. this sickness is in him like it's it's crazy get make him go away He needs to get away from society.
But that didn't work for Thomas. That's not what happened for him.
Now, we've been talking about, like, all these people that he's assaulted, and it kind of seems like these girls are at random, but I've been saying this person knew Sarah and had a with her.
So how did he know Sarah? How did he know Sarah?
He had dated her aunt Amy. Oh, fuck. Now, while dating Thomas, Amy did find out that he was a registered sex offender and she confronted him.
But somehow he convinced her... it was all a big mistake and that he hadn't actually done anything wrong.
Little did Amy know there was no mistake because Thomas's own ex-wife knew that he was dangerous.
She divorced him three years earlier and had a restraining order put out against him. to not only protect herself, but their daughter, because she reported to the court that one night their daughter was, like, super, super sick,
And for some reason, Thomas was pissed off that she was sick.
And she said that after punching a wall, he told her he was gonna kill her.
And that if she took any legal action against him, he would also kill her.
Okay. So... When you bring a person into a home with children... Uh-huh. if it comes up that they're a sexual, you know, a rapist.
Yeah. and they tell you, no, it's just a big misunderstanding, go find out if it is a big misunderstanding.
Do a little more research. You can find some stuff for yourself.
Yeah, and it's like, Thank you. Don't bring a rapist into a house with children.
No. I think that's a pretty good thing to say.
I'm sure someone's gonna yell at me about that, but...
I think that's a pretty generalized good rule of thumb.
No matter what mistake somebody claims was made, if they're a registered sex offender, Do not keep them in your life if you're around young children.
Yeah, you just you can't. Exactly. And that's just that's just reality.
And here's the deal. The she, the ex-wife was actually granted the restraining order while he was out on parole for sexual assault.
Yeah, I mean, come on. Like, he's a web of sexual assault.
And high. It's really hard to get a fucking restraining order.
So the fact that she was granted one goes to show this is a dangerous dude.
It's true. He is. It's ridiculous. And it's, I mean, he's got plenty of rap sheet to back it up.
Oh, yeah. There was no mistake made at all.
Because the first assault that landed him on the sex offender registry in general was a sexual assault made on a 12-year-old girl in 1997. seven honestly fuck this guy like fuck this guy so this girl girl had been with her friends at a haunted house where they met Thomas who at the time was 18 and he was like volunteering on like the trail to like scare people.
Now he spent the rest of the night hanging out with these girls.
12 year old. 18 and he's hanging out with 11 and 12 year old girls because some of them are 11.
Now it's kind of sounds like it was like a camping place or something because he spent the rest of the night with them.
They're like playing cards. So I don't know if it was like a crap or something like that.
But he stayed up with them and one of the girls was like specifically very shy and her friends were like, oh, it seems like he likes you. i don't i guess they were guys whatever but they went off and they like left their friend with thomas and she's 12.
I'm not gonna go into detail because I don't even wanna say in detail what he did to this girl.
Oh no. But the girl was sexually assaulted and her parents found out shortly after that. by reading her diary because she wrote about it in her diary she was like completely traumatized Now, he was sentenced to four years in prison for this.
Four years. Okay. I'm sorry. So fucked. And yet again, he was out.
Somebody goes to prison for like. ever for like having like an ounce of weed on them.
Right. And this guy raped a 12-year-old.
Right. And he's in prison for four years.
That's fucked. Exactly. And I should say he didn't necessarily rape her i just don't want anybody to get mad and say i said the wrong thing but he sexually assaulted her a 12 year old like yeah come on Now, again, I said he was sentenced to four years, out in a matter of months.
Because the system was so fucked at the time.
It's so fucked up. Now that first offense that he pled guilty to happened just four days before Sarah was born.
Isn't that crazy? Oh, my God. And I should point out the Baltimore Sun.
That's where I found that. Oh, I hate that.
Which I was like, wow. Now, so we're back to present day.
Police go out to Thomas's address just to few miles away from Sarah's house, a few miles and they knock on the front door of the home But it turns out that the home they were at was actually his parents' house.
And do you want to know where he lived? I'm shocked.
He lived in a shed on their property. Ugh.
Like, if you live in a shed, that's totally fine.
I bet it's super chic. But this guy's shed was disgusting.
And you know what? He doesn't deserve a shed he doesn't even deserve a shed he doesn't even deserve a box he doesn't deserve shelter So they head out toward the shed, the police, and they took them in for questioning.
They later searched the shed. and found it to be filled with pornographic material like magazine and films.
And all the investigators said that being there made their skin crawl.
But even when they left, they still felt like so fucked up by being there.
Like they were like there was something like completely like just horrible.
Yeah. place. Yeah, this guy's fucked. So Thomas was completely unemotional. during his questioning.
You can actually go see it on the Crime Watch Daily, the little video I mentioned.
And I can post the link to it. But he was super unemotional, super uncooperative.
He told the detective... I've been dealing with this shit for the past 10 years.
Oh you've been dealing with it. Exactly.
I'm like, you poor fucking little baby. I literally wrote, oh, I'm sorry that you're a revolting vile man and people are angry about it.
I'm so sorry that you traumatizing children all over the fucking town is something you're dealing with how hard that must be for you oh my god like fuck off can we all line up and punch this fucker in the face Yeah, punch Thomas' legs in the face.
It's like punch a Myra Hindley supporter, just punch Thomas' legs in the face.
Punch a Myra Hindley supporter, punch a Thomas' legs in the face. seriously punch all of them so he said he tried to be quote very cautious with the girls I don't be alone with them so I can't make mistakes you're disgusting i don't be alone with you're disgusting he also provided an alibi for that night saying that he was at a bar with his friend until 1am that morning.
So that statement might have been true. He very well could have been in a bar until 1 a.m. leaves the entire rest of the night literally the entire night fucking idiot and Nobody, not even his own parents, could account for where he was between the hours of 1 and 7 a.m.
Oh, God. So where's your alibi for that time, okay?
Oh, God. Now, when the detective asked why Emma specifically... would have said that he was in the bedroom that night.
He basically called her a troublemaker and said she was always doing, quote, odd little things. oh that six-year-old she's such a troublemaker oh my god he's calling her a liar A fucking six year old.
When you know what you did to her sister and you know that you were in that fucking room that night, you're going to call her a liar?
And you know, and again, he knows he's traumatized even this six-year-old child who had to witness this entire thing. and had to hold that shit in her fucking, that poor little girl.
He probably loves that, though, because it's like, it's assault adjacent.
Yeah, he loves that he's able to keep this assault happening from afar.
Exactly. Now, he also claimed that it had been a month since he had been to Amy's home.
But that was super weird because the police went out there and they...
They found the exact same tire marks that matched his tires in the snow.
Oh, weird. Super weird that he hadn't been there in a month.
Yeah, it's so weird, this thing like forensic.
Yeah, it's so crazy. It's also super weird that once they got inside that 2003 Dodge pickup...
Sarah's missing green toothbrush was there next to a lollipop on the floorboards.
I want to kill him. Yeah, super weird that you haven't been there in a month.
A fucking lollipop? You disgusting... fucking troll i know that for some guy for some reason that the lollipop pop i was just like that's the classic like here's some candy oh god it's disgusting like the kid catcher and chitty chitty bang bang Like, he's that disgusting predator.
So scary. He's a fucking cliche, a parody of a predator.
He is. Disgusting. I'm so angry. No, it's horrible.
It's absolutely horrible. So obviously the police have their guy, but they still need to find Sarah, because that they're still holding on to hope that she's still alive because this fucker isn't telling them anything.
Hope they're not they're thinking it's not promising but everyone's super hopeful that they're gonna get her home in time for christmas like you have to hold on to some hope or else I don't know how you get through your day.
So the county sheriff, Mike Lewis, said, This was his most difficult case in his 35 years of law enforcement.
Oh, I believe it. He said it did show like a different side of people though because people were coming out in massive numbers to find Sarah.
And when she hadn't been found by Christmas, people gave up their Christmas celebrations just to search for her.
Oh, I love that. So her mom, Jennifer, told Crime Watch, it literally took my breath away.
They didn't care that it was freezing. They didn't care that they had Christmas with their families.
Now, the command post actually had to be relocated to a local baseball stadium because so many people were coming to help.
It's like the worst side of humanity and the best side of humanity all in one.
Over 300,000 people came to look for her.
Holy shit. Actually, I'm not going to say this person's name because they didn't say whether I should or not, but one of our listeners suggested this case. worked passing out waters to volunteers yeah so she like gave up her christmas that day And I think she was 10 at the time.
Oh, my God. High five to you as an adult and you as a 10 year old.
I know. So the police were able to use cell data from Thomas's phone to see if they could narrow down a search area, kind of like in the Sydney loop case that we just did.
Cell phone pings, man. I fucking love a good cell phone ping.
Thank goodness we're all addicted to our cell phones.
I know. And this was in 2009. So yeah, that was really cool.
And they were able to triangulate a location based off of three towers that his cell phone pinged off of.
So they searched all day long and unfortunately, but also fortunately, right around four o'clock in the afternoon, they found Sarah's body.
It's going to get, like I said, I already gave a trigger warning at the beginning of this, but I'm going to give a second one just because of the way that her body was found.
Okay. I'm not happy that I'm listening to this.
I know. This is probably not for you. Okay.
So, Mike Lewis described how her little body was found right on the Delaware-Maryland state line.
It was found on Lily Lane, which is like a little road.
And I guess it's like 60 feet into the woods, according to Chilling Crimes.
Quote, she was laying on her back with her little arms reached out to the sky to heaven, her fist clenched.
She had been kidnapped raped and choked.
Thomas attempted to drown her in a mud puddle but that did not work.
So, and they found this out because mud and debris were later found in her lungs during an autopsy.
Thomas left her there when that didn't work to go get gasoline, came back to burn the body. allegedly he thought that Sarah was already dead.
But the autopsy later showed smoke inhalation, meaning that she was still alive when he lit her on fire so she was breathing on her own fumes exactly And DNA linked him to Sarah in a number of ways.
Her pajama fibers her pajama fibers that she was wearing that night were left on the passenger side of his truck.
So he sat there and tried to say that he didn't do this.
It's like, then why is her toothbrush found in your car?
Why is a lollipop with her DNA found in your car? pajama fibers that belong to her in your car.
How are you going to explain that? Her Christmas pajamas.
No, this is the most appalling. This is fucked up and disgusting.
He was still wearing the same underwear. when he was brought in for questioning and Sarah's DNA was found in that underwear.
The same underwear. Put me in a fucking room with him.
Seriously. And give me a chainsaw. Like, what?
What a vile monster. An absolute monster.
Now the sheriff said quote if there was ever a case that screamed for the death penalty it was this case.
It was the brutal kidnapping and brutal murder and brutal destruction of this little girl's body that had screamed for the death penalty.
100%. deserve to die. Yes. You actually mentioned something to me because I told you a little bit about this.
Normally, Elaine and I don't tell each other about the cases that we're going to do, but I wanted to make sure it was okay with her that I did this.
Which I appreciate. No problem. But you mentioned something to me when I told you about how the body was found.
Oh, yeah. Because her arms were like up and fists like stretched toward the sky.
And you explained to me why that happens.
Yeah, that's often referred to as like boxer's pose and it's how people know that like there was an attempt to light someone on fire.
Because oftentimes when a body is lit on fire, your hands will go into boxer's pose.
It's just this like phenomenon that happens.
Yeah. So as soon as I had, like, you had told me, like, her hands were, I immediately was like, was she lit on fire?
Yeah. And you were like, holy shit, she was.
And it's like, that's what it is. It's called like boxer stance or boxer pose.
Which I had never heard of. And researching this whole thing, I never saw that mentioned once.
Well, the thought that she was partially drowned and then left alone.
Yeah. Out there? Yeah. Like, in whatever state she was?
It's very reminiscent of the Polly class case.
It is. Because you think of Polly, she was, I believe she was in the trunk at one point when he was being detained, right?
Yeah, it was like, it was just, there was a lot of weird And this also reminds me, and it's a case we're going to be covering soon, actually.
The Shanda Sher case where she was lit on fire and she was clearly alive because the same thing, they found evidence of it in her lungs.
And was she found in the boxer's pose, do you know?
I believe she was in like a fetal position.
But I think her arms were curled up, too, because I think she was on her side in a fetal position, but I think her hands were curled up. like in the boxer pose that's so it's weird like what your body does In her Christmas pajamas.
In her Christmas pajamas. This little baby in her Christmas pajamas.
Like two days, three days before Christmas.
And is found alive. on Christmas Day. Everybody doesn't agree with the death penalty and that's totally fine.
Oh, again, we've always said we're in the middle, that it's a gray area.
This guy, 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. So he was facing the death penalty, but yet again, he lucked out because he was granted a plea deal.
Now, normally, I would be really pissed off about that, but I'll explain in a minute why it wasn't.
It better be a good one. It is. Now he received two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.
One for first degree murder, one for first degree sexual offense, and then an additional 30 years for kidnapping, an additional 20 years. for burglary.
Okay. I believe the burglary, I don't know If that was Sarah's case, I think that might have... Because remember, he got out on bond for... the case with the 24-year-old, I think that might have been applicable to that case.
Oh, okay. Because I'm pretty sure he didn't steal anything. other than Sarah from the house.
Um, so like he got a lot of time, thank God.
And like I said, no possibility for parole.
So he'll be in there forever. Yes. And honestly, that's almost that's almost better.
Not because I think he's going to have to think about what he did because he doesn't give a shit. no like that's not one of those cases where it's like you have to live with what you've done think about it he doesn't give a shit that doesn't work We don't want him to think about it either.
It's the fact that he can't do it. Exactly.
That's the fact that makes me happy because that motherfucker needs to do it to survive.
So it's somewhat comforting to me that it's like, killing him.
You can't. That he can't. And as we all know, and I will get into that actually in a second, sexual offenders of children do not do well in prison.
No. Love that prison hierarchy. Now first I want to explain why I'm like happy that the plea deal was brought into play.
It was made so that Emma wouldn't have to testify in court.
That I love. I guess like to this day, or at least to the day that the Crime Watch Daily was filmed, she hadn't said what was said in that room.
Like she won't talk about what he was saying to Sarah.
And that hurts me even more. Because it's like that poor little thing has that inside of her.
Exactly. You know, that's a lot of... that's some heavy to hold on to really heavy i hope she's been able to like talk to someone get some kind of counseling like a therapist about it a psychiatrist about it just to get it out yeah Somebody who doesn't need to go anywhere else because he's in prison.
So it's like... But just get it out. Because that shit will live in your nervous system.
I just don't want her to have to have that.
That's like a whole different kind of trauma.
Yeah, that's a whole different kind of assault.
It is, absolutely. Well, it's literally, like I said, assault adjacent.
Yeah. So that plea deal was made so she wouldn't have to testify in court.
And then they also didn't think that they were going to really get the death penalty, unfortunately.
It's tough. The governor at the time was actually working to get it off the table.
Abolished, exactly. And it's a hard thing to get, because again, we've always said we can see both sides.
Yeah. It's easy to like passionately be like kill him because like obviously I want to kill him with my bare hands.
Yeah. But there's obviously been other times where it's been a mistake.
Right. So it's a really hard thing to have like a...
Like, kudos to you if you have a full, like, concrete stance on it.
I just waver so much. I do, too. For this one, I do like the death penalty.
I can get down, though, with this, like... life in prison without parole.
Me too, because also I think this is somebody that has been shown by the legal system that he wasn't going to get much time.
So, you know, he was probably fucking shocked when they were like, oh, yeah, you're never getting out.
You're not even going to get a chance at a parole.
This isn't one of those you're going to be on good behavior for a couple months and get out to do this again.
Nope. And like I said, you're also not going to do well in jail.
No. Now, Thomas Legs was attacked almost immediately.
Good. By a fellow inmate, like I said, pretty quickly once he arrived in prison.
He was slashed three times in the neck, hands and head with a homemade weapon while he was eating in the dining hall. get it so this motherfucker was just trying to eat up some oatmeal and he got good he got got he got got none of his injuries unfortunately were too serious It's kind of awesome though.
It is. Just keep hurting him. Yeah it's fine.
Just have at it. That's honestly what he deserves.
And you know that was just like Welcome.
This is just the beginning of what you're going to go through.
Welcome to prison, Thomas. So some good did come out of this fucking nightmare.
It really shook the system and people realized that there was a lot of work that needed to be done regarding it. how we handle sexual assault and sex offender cases.
Because somehow he just slipped through the cracks time and time again.
And no one was seeing the escalation. that was occurring.
No, because again, now I'm going to tell you one woman's story and she was actually encouraged not to even say anything in court that this guy was a sex offender.
What? So this woman, Patty Rothwell, told the Baltimore Sun.
I got a lot of information from this article, too. quote, this little girl would be here today if the system hadn't failed in this case.
Yeah. So Patty's daughter had been subjected to Thomas' legs when they lived next door to him.
Their daughter and her friends one day were just like sitting on the porch and Thomas came up to her and just like just started talking to her and all these, like, little girls on the porch.
Do you know how old they were? I did not say.
I believe they were... I don't. But either way.
But they were young. They were young. Yeah.
Yeah. So the daughter and her friends, like I said, they're sitting on the porch and he walks up and he goes. quote, I've watched you playing in your yard and I can tell you're a wild one.
Playing. Playing. I've watched you playing.
Because you're a child. In your yard. Because you are a child.
Yep. And you're a wild one. That just sends like the icky ickies throughout my whole entire body.
Oh my god, I just want to take a bath. Well, he then grabbed something off the porch and hit the girl on the butt with it and then, quote, spanked her. right as he finished that creepy ass statement.
So he's like saying it and then he hits her on the butt with something and then slaps her butt.
I honestly give this woman so much credit because after finding that out.
Oh, yeah. I would have literally murdered him with my bare hands.
On my property, yes. Like I would have gone to his home and murdered him with my bare hands.
Yeah. So Patty's daughter like runs inside to tell her mom what's going on.
And Patty realized that she had seen this guy before.
She's like, he looks super familiar. Because when they moved there, she looked at like the sex offender registry, like because you can see sex offenders in your neighborhood.
Yeah. And that's where she recognized him from.
So that event, the events of that day later went to court and he was found not guilty on all three counts that he was facing.
And it was because Patty was encouraged not to mention during the trial that he was a sex offender.
This is a sexual offense, sexual assault case, and you're not allowed to say that he's a sex offender?
That's insane. Because people were worried that he wouldn't get a fair trial.
Oh, come on. It's like, if anything, the trial isn't fair because you're withholding information about this person's character and what they're capable of.
Oh, come on. It's unreal. So the sex offender, being able to see it in your neighborhood is a very good tool when you're moving. moving to a new neighborhood.
Obviously, there's not a lot you can do about it, but it's like, it gives you the information.
And it can factor into if you're going to get that house or not.
Knowledge is power. So it's just, you should know where they live.
Seriously. Now, a county state's attorney said, quote, Many sex offenders are masters of manipulation.
They dress well, they're articulate. And the only witness is a minor.
These are different kinds of cases and they should be handled differently.
Yes. And at the time they weren't. But after Sarah was murdered, 84 new bills were introduced by legislatures after.
Good. Sarah's law was passed. Now Sarah's law mandates all child sex offenders in Maryland to serve a minimum of 50
15 years with no possibility of parole. Good.
Requires lifetime parole supervision for offenders been convicted of sexual abuse to a child younger than 12.
Good. And life in prison is now the maximum penalty for offenders who commit certain categories of sex crimes against children younger than 13.
Good. So, a lot of good came from this horrific, excuse me, unfortunate nightmare.
And in her name. And in Sarah's name. Sarah's mom, I'm going to end this by a quote from her mom.
She says, she's everywhere. I don't think anybody will forget about her.
I know and her grave you know the find a grave memorial thing I went to look at it and her grave is engraved with a photo of her and it says our christmas angel never forgotten Fuck.
And you know, Christmas must be every single day that's the anniversary that your 11-year-old baby was found. was stolen from her bed in the middle of the night from someone she knew.
Three days before Christmas. Three days.
Honestly. fucks me up oh my god but i wanted to tell this case because i wanted to tell you you can live your life however you'd like But don't leave a spare key and don't let – if you do want to leave your spare key – you and like your partner should know where it is and that's it.
Yeah, that's it. Like, because why did he know that that was there?
That's the Why did he know? Unless I, maybe he was like just looking.
Maybe he was just searching around. And sometimes people don't think of the fact that like under like a planter and shit is the first place people are going to look.
Or like in your mailbox. Or like one of those fake rocks and shit.
Like don't. Just don't do it. No. And honestly, get Simply Safe because it's awesome.
Oh my God, get Simply Safe. Because you know what?
If you open the door, even with a key and that alarm is on, you have to disarm that alarm before and you have like less than a minute.
Exactly. So that shit would have been like, ding, ding, ding, and the whole house would have heard it.
Exactly. I'm just saying. It's scary. I'm just saying, I, like, that is one thing that I, a security system is... Oh, it makes you feel so...
The comfort level it brings is beyond. This is not an ad.
It's really not. It's just, like, it honestly is, like, the only thing that really gives me peace of mind.
Well, and it could prevent things like this, you know?
Yeah. It just can. It can scare away a number of people trying to get in your house.
That can scare them away. Of course, there's always going to be the...
The one person. But look at this case. This woman locked all the doors.
Locked all the windows. Instead, she was like, I do this every night.
I triple check. I'm taking care of these kids.
Sometimes it's not enough. But if there's an alarm or something, at least it will inform you.
It's like a double security. At least it will wake the house up.
Exactly. And in most cases, we'll alert the police to come to your house.
Mm-hmm. So this case was just so sad. I know.
Merry Christmas, everyone. Seriously. Oh my.
So yeah, I'm going to post some pictures of... She's like the cutest little thing.
Oh, she's like a... A sweet baby angel.
Like, so sweet. Like, that's taken right from Georgia, from my favorite murderous mouse. a sweet baby angel but that's that's truly what it encompasses exactly who she is she That phrase was created by her for... cases like this.
And I obviously I'm going to post pictures of Thomas because that's how the Instagram works.
Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm not kidding you because I researched this like late one night, like into the night.
I can't read these things at night. It's really hard.
I ended up having a lot of nightmares that night.
Yeah, when it's stuff like this, I can't do it.
Ever since we started this podcast, I don't talk about it a lot, but I do get way more nightmares than I used to.
Because it, like... festers you know but he obviously they like put pictures throughout articles and just like passing through his face at like midnight I was like oh my god, get off my computer screen.
I fucking hate you. Get the fuck out of here.
So terrifying. I hope he is... having a miserable existence.
I hope every single one of his toenails isn't grown.
And you know what? I hope he lives a very long life.
Me too. 100%. You know, stay healthy. and Thomas this is probably not okay to say but like here I am I literally hope that like the inmates make it the worst possible experience for him Oh no, I hope they beat the shit out of him every single day.
It's like Jeffrey Dahmer. It's just like...
It just has to happen. Yeah, it's just sometimes the universe just takes over and this is one of those things.
Because at first I was like, Give him the death penalty.
And I'm like, actually, actually, wait a second.
No, it actually worked out. Yeah. It actually worked out okay.
Oh, so that was terrible. Disgusting human being.
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I just got really stressed out. That's okay.
Thank you for joining me. I liked the solidarity at the end of the episode.
Did you see my eyes? I was like, bitch, what are you doing?
That's okay. We needed to be together in that moment.
Yeah, we did. I needed to hang on to you.
I got you. So... But not so weird that this happens.
I don't want to do one right now. Too weird.
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