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That's it. No, we are finally doing part two of the Ireland Vanishing Triangle.
I went in like a big search about this because I couldn't wait for part two.
It really did. It sucks you in. But I'm sure you're going to tell me things I didn't find.
There's even more stuff with this that I swear we could go on like a week-long tirade about. all honestly the little like offshoots of this and everything but i think i've narrowed it down to the important things that i feel like i wanted to cover yeah But before we jump right into it, we just wanted to say we're excited for the virtual live show tomorrow.
I can't wait to see you guys in our brains.
In our brains. And not actually in our eyeballs.
Well, and meet the people who got the meet and greet tickets.
Yeah. So we're excited to do that and, you know, hopefully we'll be able to do more of these while we wait for the world to reopen.
We do want to do more. And we are also going to try to do some, I think, that are going to accommodate, you know, our... international yeah like the weirdos like so we're gonna try to do some that will be a different because you know what If I have to wake up at like seven in the morning and do a live show just to make it so that you guys can actually see it at a decent time.
I'll do it. That's fine with me. I'm fine because you guys rule.
And so we're definitely going to do that.
We'll be figuring it out as we go, but...
If you didn't get to grab tickets this time, hopefully there'll be more opportunities.
Hopefully this... It's going to be interesting.
We themed this whole thing out. So if this theme goes well, we're going to have to use it again and again and again and again.
It's going to be interesting to, it's basically just going to be like doing our podcast how we normally do it, just talking to each other.
No, I'm like, I'm going to need to remember to like look into the computer and not just directly at you.
It's definitely going to be. a little strange but I think we'll be able to we'll be able to kind of picture that everybody's watching I'm also super excited to be back at AS220.
I'm very excited because I love AS220. Yeah.
Yes. It's going to, I'm going to miss like the crowd noise and like the energy that you get from it.
But you know what? It's going to make us excited for it to come back.
Annie's going to be in the audience. And I was like, I'm going to need you to just be like, give us crowd noises.
I was like, we should make you have like a laugh track.
Yes. We said that the other day. We should just be like, ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha. So yeah, we're excited about that.
The other thing I just wanted to mention in corrections... you know, our little corrections segment here is I know it's killing Texas from the Vanessa Guillen case.
I'm just confused about why you don't pronounce everything correctly.
Yeah, I finally to the point where I don't care.
So at this point, I'm going to give it my best shot.
If I don't do it right, I don't do it right.
But I think I'm going to small town murder this and just go.
Well, and do you know what? Here's here's the thing.
I'm going to lay it all out for you. I try to and you try to.
Sometimes we pause the episode and we like listen to the little pronunciation later. on Google, guess what, everybody?
Sometimes she's wrong. Even she is wrong sometimes.
And then she's out here making me look like a fucking idiot.
She is. So thanks a lot, pronunciation lady on Google.
God damn it. So you know what? We try our best.
But you know what? With this one, I will say...
Uh, I, when I had typed it into my notes, I didn't put the second L. Oh, autocorrected.
So it was spelled like. Like, almost like Eileen.
So like how you would pronounce that. So I pronounced it Ky-leen because in my mind it made sense.
I'm sorry, Killeen, Texas. We still like you.
Please forgive me, I suppose. At least people are a lot nicer about that.
People have been very nice. I mean, we had a couple.
One other place. We won't talk about that other place.
That place that must not be named. I have officially taken my favorite murder, a small town murder stance on it.
I'm going to do my best with town names.
If I fuck it up, I fuck it up. Don't at me.
The end. Just kidding. People are like, ow. the end so yeah so kylie or killing god damn it i know see it's in my head killing texas i'm sorry killing texas And then the... Is there more?
The other thing, this isn't correction, but I just wanted to say that we got so many messages from like military members.
Oh, yeah. Military spouses, like family members, friends of military people. you've all been so sweet and helped us understand some things better about the armory.
Because we had a few Marines and Army people that will tell us, not Army people, that's so civilian of me.
I'm like, Army people. It's okay. I once said Marine Corps was like an idiot.
You sure did. I'm really sorry, everyone.
I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who's been reaching out and like, you know, letting us know that, you know, in their experience, there is only one person allowed in the armor. at a time.
And it's like a sign in, sign out kind of thing.
Yeah. And that like some of these things. things made sense like we had a couple people tell us you know it might not have been weird to see him like lugging that pelican case around and if he was covered in stuff people might not question it because There's so many different jobs around that you could get dirty with things.
So it made sense. I appreciate everybody reaching out.
And that's why we... That's the kind of thing we love.
We love when people will be like, hey, let me tell you about my experience with this.
Like, cool, let's have a combo. Yeah, I love it.
So I just want to say thank you to all those military members and military adjacent people who were so sweet and reached out and made us learn some stuff.
So thanks for that. Thank you. You guys rule.
I think that's really all the business. Yeah, I literally have nothing else.
Yeah, listen to Crime Countdown. It's awesome.
I love that show. I've heard of it. Yeah, it's really great.
I don't know about it. So let's start with the Ireland Vanishing Triangle part two.
Okay. Okay. So we covered the first two, first three disappearances in the triangle.
We are coming up on... A young girl, 17 years old, named Kiara Breen.
So she's the youngest thus far. She's the youngest thus far.
I think we also touched upon Larry Murphy, the savage, like, rapist and... pedophile that was trolling around at this area.
We're going to really talk about him at the end of this.
It was just like a quick dab. Yeah, we just were like, by the way, Larry's up in here.
P.S. So, just little trigger warning. We're going to talk about a case with him and it's...
Rape is involved. He is a savage beast. I just want to let everybody know that is going to be part of this.
So just be aware. Okay. So Kiara Breen was 17 years old and she was last seen February 13th, 1997 in her bedroom.
In her bedroom? Yes. Oh, just like the last victim as well.
Her mother went to check on her at 1 a.m., And she was not there.
That's a fucking nightmare. Yeah. Gone without a trace.
So her mother Bernadette noticed the window in the living room was slightly open.
Oh. No. So she assumed that she had snuck out to meet with friends in the middle of the night because Kiara was 17. and had also briefly run away once with a girlfriend in 1995 when she was like 15.
Oh, no. There was a whole to-do about it, like police searching everything involved when she did that in 1995.
But she ended up showing up a couple days later, and it was just teen angsty things.
Yeah. So according to Missing Presumed by Alan Bailey, which is a great book and everybody should read it. after that incident she seemed to have actually like gotten it out of her system it was kind of chilled out a lot good it was almost like the tipping point where she did that and then she was like whoa i'm sorry Like, I'm not going to be.
We've all had that as teens. So her mom waited up all night.
For her to come home because she was like, I'm sure she's going to crawl back in here and I can nail her and we're going to get her in trouble.
But she never actually did. Well, that's awful.
So 9 a.m. came around and still no sign of her.
Mm-hmm. Annette had actually had a doctor's appointment where she was going that morning and she went and found out that she was diagnosed with cancer.
That morning? Yes. Still no Kiara. So the guard I was contacted.
Okay. Now, this was a big deal that there was a missing child, obviously, from their bed because obvious reasons.
But also because at the time there happened to be a group of pedophiles that were roaming around the area of Dundalk where they lived.
And they had been trying to lure children and teens into like sex trafficking situations.
Oh shit. Yeah, one of these perverts was a woman who was recruiting young teens into sex work and apparently Gardai had been investigating and had evidence that Kiara's group of friends had actually been targeted before.
Oh no. Because she had a big group of friends.
You know they went out to like little you know dining places and stuff.
And these like groups of pedophiles will like stand in the periphery and just like watch them.
What the fuck? That's so eerie. Isn't that horrifying?
Also, that just reminded me of Ghislaine.
Ghislaine. May she get what's coming to her.
So a few things stuck out when they went over this whole thing.
So she had run away before, but this time it just didn't make sense.
Kiara knew her mother had a doctor's appointment that morning and she knew it could end up being like a serious diagnosis and She was very aware of it.
They had actually had like a nice night together the evening before they went dinner out together.
It was like to take her mom's mind off of things.
Yeah. They went home and they watched a movie together.
Like it was supposed to be like a good night down.
Yeah. So she wouldn't have left her mom to face that alone.
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So none of this made sense that she would just up and leave and just abandon all this.
So there was a massive search, forensic searches of her bedroom.
They turned up nothing, but they did see that the window was opened from the inside.
Okay, so she maybe... Yeah, so she left voluntarily.
Right. all fingerprints were from Kiara.
Her key was even found, or the key to the house was found under the window.
Like she was coming back. So it looked like she dropped it when she left through the window.
Oh, okay. There was no sign of forced entry, no struggle anywhere.
Initially, the initial investigators on the case spoke to her friends and family. close associates of hers obviously they all gave statements said and they were like you know she has snuck out before that's been a thing like we've all done this this happening again and then they were like how you know had you seen her with anyone was she talking to anyone in the days leading up to this nothing really came from this but then But then... Two years later, when TRACE, the task force that had been created... Yes, yes, yes.
Was established... They came into the picture and they really started honing in on going back over these interviews and like using a fine tooth comb to look through them.
Mm hmm. And they were like, this is a close group.
There has to be something here. Right. So Kiara and her friends had gone to a place that they often went and they went there the day before her disappearance.
Okay. It was a cafe of sorts, like a dining place.
They hung out there a lot. Well, this one older guy always seemed to be hanging out as well.
And the friends all said that he was super creepy, but Kiara really liked him, like had a crush on him.
Oh. And he seemed to like her. That's not good.
That day they said they heard him ask Kiara to hang out with him.
And she told him that that evening she would sneak out of her house in the middle of the night after her mom went to bed to see him.
Oh no. And like, obviously that's messed up, but she was probably like really excited.
Yeah. He groomed her. Right. That's what they do.
That's horrible. So when Trace talked to the initial investigators to be like, what the fuck?
This looks like good information. Like, why wasn't this looked into?
They said, well, you know, the teens that said this are really not credible.
Like they've had like, they've been like in petty trouble.
Like they've been in petty thefts and stuff.
And like, we're not going to believe them.
But if multiple people say the same thing and it adds up to what you found in your investigation, like what?
And they just dismissed it. And it's also like, why would they lie about that?
Yeah, it's a weird fucking thing to lie about.
That doesn't help them. But when they went back to, so the trace went back to these teens who are a little older now.
And they were like, we need to ask you the same questions and we want to get your story again.
This is like two years later. Did they have the same thing?
Their stories never changed. And they said like nothing changed about it.
Same exact thing. Didn't make it worse. Didn't make it better.
Just same stories. So that's pretty telling.
Well, finally, they were able to convince these crazy initial investigators that this was a good case to arrest the older guy who isn't, they didn't name this guy.
Okay. And they wanted to charge him with the murder of Kiara Breen, even though they didn't have a body.
Well, they ended up having to use a super weird case as a precedent for this because of the lack of body.
They can't just go and say arrest him for murder.
They'd be like, you know, where is she? Bad plans to meet that night, right?
Yeah. So this case that they used was the murder of Captain Robert Narek by IRA member Liam Townsend.
The IRA making another appearance. They're all over this thing.
So the law officers agreed that it did work as a precedent.
So they were going to try to go further.
So older creepy guy was arrested September 12th, 1999.
Okay. They could only initially hold him for 12 hours.
Because they didn't have anything. They had nothing.
So they were really just being like, we need to interrogate him in 12 hours and get this confession.
Make him crack. Yeah. So during that time they interviewed him, interrogated him with every way and method they could think of to try to get him to say this.
He denied even knowing her. So right away, he's a liar.
Well, and right away, that's fucking weird.
Yeah. Already, you're lying. Right. So I know that you're just holding on to it because you even denying that you know her?
That's huge. Everybody's saying you know her.
People know you know her. In fact, in that book, Missing Presumed by Alan Bailey, he said that near Kiara's home, It was spray painted on like a wall somewhere, like on the street.
Yeah. This guy's name loves Kiara. Oh, okay.
So it's like, where did that come from? Do we, I don't know if you know, do you know how much older he was?
No, it's not said exactly, but he was older.
Like, to the point... I'm picturing, like, some 40-year-old doing spray paint, like, I love Kiara.
It totally... have been yeah i mean honestly the way they describe him is like he's a real creepy older guy yeah that should not have been interested in a 17 year old right So this dude held out, would not say,
They couldn't charge him with anything. And he has to go.
And they just had to release him. That fucking sucks.
Isn't that the worst? Yes. I did read reports that he possibly died of a drug overdose.
Oh, that's interesting. Interesting. So that who knows.
But either way, he got out of that and he was able to walk away and live.
Damn, so it's like, now do we know, like, could he have done this to more girls?
That's the thing. So people do believe that he...
He's responsible for the investigators really do believe he was the guy in August 2015
Investigators started randomly searching these specific marshlands in the area.
Yeah. And it was because two witnesses said they saw Kiara on the evening she went missing. around this area uh-huh and then two letters were received by authorities anonymously saying police should search that area for kiara oh damn nothing was found that's weird but anonymous letters and then they go look and it's not or maybe those anonymous letters were trying to lead them in the wrong direction it's true it could have been that or it's like it's marshland and it's like who knows maybe you're just missing something right it's like we don't know that's a lot to search And it's again, yeah, like you say, it's a really hard thing to search marshlands.
It's not easy. So who knows? That was in 2015.
They were still thinking they're going to find her.
So I hope I mean, fingers crossed that they can find her because, you know, this family deserves closure.
That was like a very sad one. It is. They're all sad.
They're all really sad. Everyone you hear, you're just like, man, that one's sad too.
It's just like, they all just like hit you.
Yeah. And in a different way, too. Yeah.
And I'm going to tell like what my theories on this whole vanishing triangle thing is at the end.
But I don't think a serial killer is... You think it's just a sad triangle?
I think it's just a sad triangle. And I think that Larry Murphy has a lot to do with...
A few of them. So, yeah. So that was Kiara Breen.
Okay. Still have not found her. No trace of her.
I really hope they do. I know. It's really sad.
So the next one that we're going to talk about is Fiona Sinnott.
So she was 19 years old. She went missing on February 9th, 1998.
Her story is really sad. Oh. Again, they're all sad.
But like this one just has another element to it that I was like, man.
Hits you from another angle. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bummer.
We're really getting hit by all angles. She was 19 years old.
She was a single mother of an 11-month-old daughter named Emma.
Stop. She was living in a southwest Wexford, in southwest Wexford in a little village called Broadway.
Mm-hmm. She was living alone and taking care of her child.
She was known to be very responsible, very independent.
She loved being a mom. Everyone says she doted on Emma.
She flourished in that. She just found her niche being a mom.
She had a very good relationship with her family.
They lived nearby, but they didn't speak every day, which will... a lot of people were wondering, because she wasn't reported missing right away, and a lot of people were like, what the hell?
When it comes to her family, I think it's just a matter of like, The way they communicated.
They didn't speak all the time, so I think it just wasn't.
But there's another element to it that you're like, why wasn't she?
So... Apparently before moving into her own place which was somewhat recent, she had a very abusive relationship with her child's father.
Oh, no. His name was Sean Carroll, and he was about 10 years older than Fiona.
He was a monster. Like an absolute monster.
There's so many shitty fucking dudes in this story.
Police knew the place where they lived before she moved out.
Because they were always there. They knew it very well. because they were there all the time.
That always makes me so sad when police are like, oh, yep, we knew that place. she was admitted to the hospital many times because of him um in the missing presumed book by alan bailey he says because remember he's one of the lead investigators in the TRACE Task Force.
He says this about one such incident. He said, quote, She told a number of her friends a harrowing story involving vicious and prolonged sexual abuse that this man had subjected her to. when she was heavily pregnant oh god i have personally read with revulsion the various reports concerning this particular assault and can honestly say that if only half of it was true, then her assailant should be stood trial for, and should never again have been accepted back into normal society.
Wow. And then he said the attack bordered on barbaric.
So he's obviously a good suspect in her disappearance already.
Jesus. Yeah. And while she was heavily pregnant.
That reminds me of the Ariel Castro story.
Oh, it's horrific. Horrific. So, with Sean's parents.
Uh-huh. Now, even though he was a monster, they were cool.
She wanted, I don't know how cool they were.
I think she was like, they're her grandparents.
They need a relationship. And they want to be a part of her life, so I'm not going to deny that.
Good for her. That says a lot about her character.
Yeah, that she was like, you know what, we'll let this happen.
So baby Emma was with Sean Carroll's parents.
Apparently, throughout the night, her friends noticed she kept wincing. like in pain.
And they were like, what, what's, what are you doing?
Like, what's the matter? And she said that her upper chest and her arm hurt.
Like a heart attack. Almost, yeah. It seems to me, I'm like, did anyone think to be like, you're having a heart attack?
Or having a myocardial infarction right now?
That's exactly what they would say. uh oh fuck i think she's having a myocardial incursion i don't even think i said what is it a myocardial infarction infarction that just sounds like fart I'm 12.
You are. So she wouldn't say what was causing this issue.
She was just like, yeah, this is what hurts.
That can also be anxiety. Yeah, and they were like, so during the evening, you know, she wouldn't elaborate anymore.
She was just like, yeah, it hurts, whatever, I'll figure it out.
She kept saying she was going to the doctor's this morning.
So she was like, we'll figure it out. Well, during the evening, her ex, Sean, walked into the pub.
Oh. And he didn't come to like hang out with this friend group, obviously.
No thanks. They didn't say a word to each other.
They saw each other, did not acknowledge each other.
He just walked in and he sat at the bar and drank alone all night.
But he was like watching her, I feel. But he's just like on the peripheral.
Here's that. On the peripheral. Or the prowl.
Is what I meant. That's also a really good spinoff of Generation Y, the podcast, The Peripheral.
You should listen to it. It's good. Cool.
So he's just sitting on the peripheral. I don't like that.
Yeah, so a driver driving by the area that evening said that they did see a couple on the side of the road arguing later in the night when all the bars and pubs closed.
And then someone who lived right nearby said they heard a female screaming at the same time.
Oh no. Now, her friends say that... Fiona left the pub when it closed and she left by herself and she told her friends like it was a short distance to her house.
So she was like, see you later. I'm just going to walk home.
Yeah. It's totally fine. They said that her and Sean didn't leave together, but Sean left after her.
Because he was fucking watching her. Exactly.
So it's like... So they were like, now I think they're sitting there being... hindsight 2020 to be like, wait a second, he was following her.
Right. So it wasn't until February 18th that her father Patrick reported her missing.
So that was 10 days after she was last seen.
Yeah. But again, this is because she didn't speak to her family every day, so maybe no alarm bells initially rang.
That's a long time to me, but who am I to judge?
But our family literally is so close. Like we talk every single day.
Yeah. I think it's because I, yeah, we talk every day.
Because you watch shows sometimes and they're like, it wasn't unlike her to not call for like five days.
Yeah. And to me, I'm like, what? I'm fine.
Yeah. Ma would be like. the fuck? Pick up your damn phone.
Ma would have like the National Guard out here.
Literally. But this is, again, they didn't talk every day, so it I can kind of understand that.
I get it. You know, she was working, she was taking care of a baby.
Maybe they were just thinking she was Right.
She was strung out with work and everything.
But the fucked up part. is that her daughter was with Sean's parents that evening.
So in 10 days, they weren't concerned that she wasn't coming back to get her daughter?
Yeah, that's odd. Like... She went out for a night and never came back.
I wonder if because Sean was such a shit stain, he had told the parents shitty things about her.
And maybe because of her age, they were like, oh, well, maybe she just like ran away or like, you know what I mean?
Did they ever say anything? They do believe that. they that this whole thing was set out to make it look like Fiona abandoned her child and just left right but Obviously she didn't, but I could see where maybe his parents think.
Well, it sounds like his parents are not like... the super, you know, light of the universe here.
Oh, no, I'm not thinking they are. I don't think they were super like, oh, that must be it.
I think they were just like, whatever. cool, we have our grandkid.
I think they were literally like, we don't care what happened to her.
I agree. I get that. So investigators talked to Sean and he said, because they were like, You followed her out of the pub that night.
We all know it. What the fuck? And you have your daughter.
What's going on here? So Sean was like, okay, well, he said, I met her outside.
We talked a little bit. I walked her home.
Because I'm such a good guy. Such a gentleman.
And he said he slept on the couch because she was complaining, like her friend said, that she had arm and chest pain.
And I wanted to be there for her because I'm so awesome.
He said he was worried. So he slept on the couch.
The next morning around, and she had told him, I'm going to go to the doctor's the next morning.
So he was like, okay. So the next morning around 9 a.m., his mother, Emma's grandmother, came and picked him up at Fiona's home.
Okay. So again, she wasn't like, hey, is Fiona going to take the baby back?
So whatever. So the mom picks him up. They went back to the grandparents' home where Emma was.
Emma just stayed there forever. and Fiona's parents barely get to see her.
Like that's like they've like cut Fiona's parents out of seeing.
That's horrific. To me, the Carol family.
Also sounds pretty planned. Yeah. Well, it gets even worse.
So to me, the Carroll family has a lot to answer for because I'm like, Sean knows where the fuck she is and I will.
They know. Right. They know more than they're letting.
I agree. So obviously investigators did a search of her home.
They found no evidence of foul play. Everything was pretty normal.
But... There was one big, huh, when they came in.
Hit me up. The house was almost completely empty.
And what I mean is it's like no one had ever lived there.
Everything was gone. It's like it was vacant.
There was no personal items. Ooh, that just creeped me out.
And they were like, wait, where's all her stuff?
A 19-year-old teenager lives here. with her 11-month-old daughter.
There should be shit everywhere. Right. And it wasn't like, oh, there's just not a lot of stuff.
Nothing was in that house. And was it cleaned?
No personal items were in that house. Where the fuck did they go?
Do they find them? Well, then they started asking people who knew her.
They were like, did she just not have anything in that house?
Is she like a very minimalistic human being?
Like, what happened? people who had visited her were like oh no there was shit everywhere in fact she was like very known for being a messy person retweet and she had an 11 month old so it was like toys were everywhere yeah baby things were everywhere right they were like no that was not an empty place so The place was cleaned out.
That's scary. So this case went all over the news, and the news did say that the place was cleaned out. that there was nothing in there.
So suddenly a farmer in the area contacts authorities and is like, He's got a landfill, huh?
He's like, so that girl's house that was empty?
Well, before her disappearance went public, he was checking his cattle. and noticed that someone had dumped a ton of black garbage bags in his ditch.
And it was on his property. But he said that happened a lot.
People like illegally dump on his property.
So he was like he figured it was just somebody else who had thrown all their garbage.
Right. But then he was. like wait a second well he was pissed so he was like you know what I'm just gonna light all these things on fire to burn it and get rid of it Okay.
Because I'm not going to lug all these to a landfill.
I'm just going to light them on fire. Destroyed the evidence accidentally.
Fuck. But... He did happen to open one of the bags to make sure he wasn't destroying anything valuable.
Mm hmm. He just like peeked in and he said he found medicine containers in there with the name Fiona Senate on them.
Stop. So that was all her stuff. And this was days before she went missing?
Well, no, this was before news had broke of her disappearance.
Oh, so this was within the 10 days that no one knew she was missing?
Gotcha, gotcha. He happened to find these.
So it was in that 10 day period where. Where Sean was cleaning out her house.
Exactly. Right. So they had set up roadblocks.
They had asked drivers in the area if they saw anyone hitchhiking matching her appearance.
Nothing came up. They couldn't find anything.
And I think that's because she went home with Sean and that was it.
I think that was the end of it. When speaking with her friends, they mentioned another instance of Sean being a crazy person.
They were like, let me tell you what kind of person he is.
She had met like only days before she disappeared.
She had gone out and met an English truck driver.
And they had hit it off and she spent the evening with him in the cab of his truck.
Cool. Like get it girl. I was going to say she's having a hot girl summer.
She is. So Sean found out. He came to the cab.
He starts slamming on the cab door and screaming for her to go.
So here's the thing. Why is he always just like a little bit away?
He's just around. Because he's fucking stalking her.
He's lurking everywhere. Right. Well, she didn't get out of the cab.
She's like, fuck you, Sean. This guy is awesome.
And he left finally because it was just him.
And but when the investigators then spoke to the truck driver because they found this guy because they were like, now we got to talk to you. yeah um he was like oh yeah that's 100 that happened like we met we were together in my cab And this happened.
And he said, let me just tell you, though, Fiona, the face she had when he showed up was pure terror.
And he said he had never seen someone's face.
She probably went, like, super pale. Yeah, and he was, like, when Sean showed up screaming for her to come out, she was paralyzed in fear.
And he was, like, paralyzed. Like, that man has... broken done horrible things so people think this is may have been the tipping point like this is what set him off and that's what set him off and that at the pub that night she went missing he was just watching her and waiting to strike and just waiting for her to be alone So what the fuck happens to him?
So he happened to also Sean had a bunch of drug charges on him.
And when he had like a gang of like, you know, people that were getting in trouble with drugs.
When his gang, and he was arrested at one point for drug charges, because again, they had no concrete evidence about Fiona.
It's just circumstantial. He cleaned the place out.
All they have is people saying he's a shithead and that he followed her out.
You So when they were arrested for drug charges, of course, they were asked about Fiona's disappearance because now people are saying, how did he clean out that whole place himself?
By himself. He had friends. Have you ever fucking moved?
Yeah, he had people helping him. Well, they all just basically pled the fifth.
So all of them were basically like, we weren't arrested for that.
We're not going to talk about it. When you sit there and plead the fifth, it's so incriminating to plead the fifth.
Like it's just saying. I did it. Yeah. You're OJ Simpson-ing it.
And in this case, that's them being like, I wasn't arrested on this.
So I don't have to tell you. I'm not going to talk about it.
And the idea that he so like basically the idea was floated that he had killed Fiona and then his friends helped him dispose of the body and empty her home.
Great. And it seems like a really good theory.
Good people. Fiona's family and friends had a memorial ceremony in Our Lady's Island Cemetery for her because she was officially declared dead.
And they still didn't have a body. Still didn't have a body.
That always makes me so sad. And they had a plaque put up for her on the wall of the cemetery for her in memoriam.
Yeah. um and they had put that plaque up the day before or they had had it put up the day before and then they were going to unveil it at the ceremony the next day oh no the day of the memorial the plaque was gone stolen what the fuck how do you steal a plaque investigators think that her murderer or people involved with it stole that plaque Why would you even do that?
Why are you so fucked up? I guess one of the guys that they had arrested, you know, as part of Sean's whole inner circle. had started to become somebody near him was like he's starting to crack and he's starting to talk about how he did this he helped cover this up and he's feeling really guilty and he can't handle it anymore.
Let's pile on the guilt. Let's do this shit.
Well... They ended up, that dude ended up overdosing and dying of a drug overdose.
And they don't know if it was on purpose or accidental, but either way, they weren't able to get him to die.
Damn it. To crack. They got to get somebody to crack in this.
So again, I know. I can't believe, and I know it does happen, but it's hard to believe. that that many evil, evil, evil, fucked up to the core people find each other.
I know, it's true. And there's got to be like at least one that you can crack.
There's not many coincidences in the world.
No. And these this seems to be a whole lot of weird coincidence.
Yeah. And just, yeah, I mean, as far as I'm concerned and as far as investigators are concerned, they're pretty sure that.
Like, typically, a lot of coincidences in a case actually just translates into a lot of circumstantial evidence. exactly and unfortunately this is the situation here but again they've never found Fiona that's really sad I mean, her daughter is becoming an adult at this point.
I hope she's been able to see her other grandparents.
I think she's, you know... I can't imagine having to learn all this like later in life and not know where your mom is. who knows what she's been told now.
Oh, and I'm sure she was told at some point, like, you know, your mom just abandoned you.
Right. And it's like... That's terrible.
That'll fuck you up. So that's the case of Fiona Sinnott.
And hopefully, you know, I hope in all these cases, at least we find something here.
It's really upsetting to get to the end of each one of them and be like, and she's never been found.
And it's unsolved. That's what's so frustrating.
The next one we're going to talk about is on July 28th, 1998, and it's Deirdre Jacob.
This one's really weird. And this is where Larry Murphy comes in hard.
So she was 18 years old. Deirdre wanted to be a teacher.
She was going to college in London at St.
Mary's University. She was home with her parents for the summer at the time, and she was super smart, very happy person, had a great home life.
Everything was fine. She was doing great.
She was last seen walking in through the front gates of her parents' home, July 28th, 1998. and was never seen again.
So that's weird. Not even walking through the door, just getting to the front gate of her parents' home, and that was the last time she was seen.
Isn't that so weird? Especially in this case, there's now three people that were last seen on the property of their own home.
Oh, yeah. It's really creepy. So she had been in Newbridge in town that day, just doing some things around town, some errands.
She visited her grandmother, Bridget O'Grady, which I'm like, that's a great name.
That really is. Bridget O'Grady. She's got stories.
Yeah, she does. She has so many stories.
Particularly in town that day, too, to get a bank draft so that she could make sure to secure her apartment in London with a roommate for the second year of college.
So she wanted to make sure to get that in, get that settled so she could make sure she was set.
So she had shit to do. She had shit to do.
She was a girl on the move. She had plans and she was doing it.
Right. So she left around 3.02 p.m. and she called her grandma, like, left town.
Like, she was, you know... On her way back, she called her grandmother again to check in because she was just a good granddaughter.
I love that. It was about a 25 minute walk from town to her home and she walked it all the time.
It was on like country roads. And on her walk, she was spotted by at least eight to ten people who confirmed she was walking home.
Six of these people knew her personally, so I could say, yes, I spoke to her.
Most of these people spoke to her on the walk or, like, waved to her or anything, so they were very...
They knew that it was her. This is not just like random people driving by.
There's also CCTV footage to confirm that she was walking around town that day and that she'd gone into the bank when she did, that she had used the phone.
She was wearing a navy blue shirt. blue jeans, Nike sneakers, and a black messenger style bag with the words cat and yellow letters on it.
Mm-hmm. It was a very distinctive bag and people really like honed in on this bag because not a lot of people have it.
Yeah. But they never found it. Now, her mother returned home from work that night at around 6 p.m., and Deidre wasn't home.
And she was like, that's weird. Immediately, she was concerned.
This wasn't a case of like, oh, maybe she's going to be back.
She was like, nope. Deirdre said she was going to be back around like 3.30, 4 o'clock.
She's not home by 6.00. something's wrong like she would have called immediately because she was like this just isn't deirdre um her parents pretty quickly called the police and the investigation began right away So a ton of rumors began circulating and sightings started rolling in.
Most of them were not helpful. Which is annoying.
I think I saw her here. I think I saw her here.
Just people that want to be involved. Yeah.
Then one sighting came in that intrigued investigators and still does.
So a man called into the Shannonside Northern Sound radio station and said he was driving a truck in the area that day that Deirdre went missing.
And he said he saw her on the side of the road and he said he met her when she was hitchhiking near County Kildare. and he had stopped and asked if she needed a ride he was like where are you going I can probably bring you She was going in the direction he was, so she agreed, and he drove her to Carrickmacross.
I just looked it up. That's exactly what the person sounded like.
They did. I looked it up last night, but then sometimes you like forget.
Like you write it down how it's supposed to say it.
I'll look up something like 42 times and then I'll be recording and I'm like, Fuck, what was it?
Because I get like anxiety. So it's Karikma Cross.
See what you guys have done to us. See. But I'm right about this one.
My Irish ladies and bros can tell me. So yeah, so he drove her to Carrickmacross and he dropped her there.
And he... So he had called this radio station 10 times to try to tell them this story.
Okay. He also wrote a four-page letter detailing this and sent it to the Linestar Leader newspaper.
So this dude was like, I know where she was.
I saw her. I dropped her here. She didn't go straight home.
Like, I'm trying to tell you she was in Karikma Cross.
Okay. So Deirdre had spent time in Carrickmacross recently with, like, friends.
Sure. And people thought, you know, maybe she had met another friend there and was going to visit them and just... failed to tell her family.
But wouldn't she have told Bridget? She would have.
Her family went there a ton of times and like passed out her photo.
Missing posters asked people about her. Nobody had anything.
No one had seen her. The truck driver refused to identify himself.
Weird. So they were like, come on man. So January 9th, 1999, Trace decided the only way to get him out of hiding was to release a recording of his call via the Garda press office. apparently had a very distinctive Northern Irish accent and tons of people, like hundreds of people called in to be like, oh, I know who that is.
Like, that's a very distinctive. Is it Larry?
He's not even a creeper. They were just like, oh, I just know who that is.
Or I at least know where he's from. Like, they'll be like, that accent is from here.
So they had a name now. And they said he lived in a village of Fermanagh. for mana for mana shit look it up and i'm checking it for mana i was right the first time when we listened back to that audio that was really aggressive sounding of my shit You know what?
I wrote down the pronunciation like phonetically.
But then you double take. I still second guessed myself.
Again, look what you have done to us. Look what you've done.
Like, Elena's twitching. Guys, I'm a shell of who I was.
Okay? because of this Killeen and Naperville.
God damn you. Uh, so for manna, um, They said he lived in this village.
It was in Northern Ireland, but he lived in a different jurisdiction.
And so Trace couldn't just extradite him over the border just to interview him.
Wait, I'm sorry. Is Ferman of the village?
I got caught up. Ferman is the village. I'm sorry.
And it was in Northern Ireland. Okay. Okay.
Sorry. But he couldn't just, they couldn't just extradite him over the border where they were.
Right. And they couldn't just do it with just to interview him.
Different jurisdictions. Yeah. They didn't have formal charges.
So they were like, we got to figure out how to get him here so we can nab him.
We need him. We need him. So they found out through badass investigative work that he happened to shop at a local supermarket in Monaghan at certain times every week.
Wow. Change up your routine, guy. I know.
So they waited on the Irish side of the border and they nabbed him as he crossed into their jurisdiction.
Perfect. They interviewed him and he eventually admitted that he was the one who called and he said, but...
I lied about the entire thing. So I was literally going to say that because I was like, she doesn't really sound like the type to hitchhike even though it was super common back then and then all these people saw her walking so it just doesn't make sense no it didn't well he said i lied about the whole thing He had an alibi that checked out.
Why would you write a four fucking page letter?
Well, that's what they were like. So you called ten times and wrote a letter like you were very invested.
He just really wanted to be involved. He said he had lost his young daughter in a car accident that he felt responsible for.
And he thought if he could provide this false account that maybe it would provide her family some hope that she was still alive. that's nice but also like it's sad it's like that's really really sad but also it's like then you led them in the wrong direction for so long For how long they've been sitting here holding on to this hope that you gave them, and now it's just crashing.
And they're like... Well, just to say how amazing her family is, her mother, Bernadette, and her little sister, Kiara. actually were worried about the well-being of this man.
I would be too, to be honest. Like, they were like, we're not... mad like good for that because that is it brutal and did it crush us yes but You have to, then you have to take a step back and be like, obviously he's suffering.
Which I'm like, what? But most people couldn't do that.
That's. I agree like I don't know if I could do that so in their situation so I give them a lot of credit for that But it's a sad situation.
That's a sad, sad situation because that's a grieving father.
Right. And he said, I know how it is to lose a child and I just didn't want them to feel. that they lost a child.
Oh, that's really sad. And I was like, that's a really fucked up nice thing to do.
It's like so many layers of that. Don't do it.
But I get it. It came from somewhere good in there, but poorly executed.
I was like, he just wanted to be involved.
And then you're like, actually. Actually, it's a real sad story.
Yeah, that's sad. So nothing happened for a while after this.
It went pretty cold. Then... A brutal sexual assault occurred close to where Deirdre was last seen and it was tied to pervert of the century, Larry Murray.
Great. Beast. He's a beast. So in 2001, he was convicted of an abduction, sexual assault, and attempted murder.
And we're going to talk about this case after this, so we'll go into great detail.
Okay. And he was serving time at Arbor Hill Prison.
And I guess this prison is weird and lets...
I mean, it lets a lot of the prisoners like hang out and socialize a lot and they get like kitchen privileges. go make some pancakes it's fine this place is also filled with like uh like rapists murderers like pretty bad people So when they get these kitchen privileges, there's this like infamous brew that they do that they brew their own vodka.
Pooch. It's just infamous, the specific vodka they make here.
And they'll often just sit around, get drunk, and spill their shit to each other, which I guess is good.
Maybe that's why they let them do it. That's probably why they let them, yeah.
Because they get a lot of information out of this.
But also some of it might just be like stupid shit you say when you're drunk.
Well, one night in 2011, Larry spilled the beans about his involvement in Deidre's disappearance.
Oh, shit. He and another inmate started trying to outdo each other with shit that they didn't get caught for.
Cute. Yeah, cute, exactly. Larry suddenly starts talking about he abducted a young girl near Newbridge a few years before.
He said he was out driving and he was specifically hunting for a girl to abduct.
As one does. So weird when you hear them being like, and I was out that day.
Think of all the times that you're just driving, doing errands, and the person you're passing might- be hunting for might be out there hunting for a girl to abduct hunting for humans like okay Well, he told this guy that he put some children's toys in his back seat and he had a car seat back there because he had children.
Are you fucking kidding me? And so he said when he would strew toys back there with the car seat, it made females who looked in his car feel like he was a good guy and safe.
Wow. This is how evil this fucker is. So he said he pulled up alongside this girl at the location where Deirdre was seen walking.
And he used a map to wave out the front passenger's side seat.
And he was like, oh, I need help getting to us somewhere.
And when she leaned closer to the window, he just snatched her in. something, he said he grabbed her hair and roughly dragged her into the car, like just flipped her into the car.
It was like, I think Alan Bailey describes it as like a blitz attack, like no time for her to even.
Well, yeah. Literal blitz attack like. just ripped her into the car without even thinking well he rips her into the front passenger seat and he shoves her face and head into the floor of the passenger seat so her body is up a so she's literally stuck yeah and if you think about being in that position You can't get out of that position.
Right. Or it's really hard to, especially if someone's holding you down. and it's terrifying you're literally crunched on the floor like under the well and you probably can't breathe you're like like you just yeah jesus well then he took a hammer and knocked her unconscious oh my god he then drove far away to a secluded area sexually assaulted her and killed her and then he said he dumped her body somewhere What a fucking monster.
So the inmate that he told this to because people were like, all right, A lot of times inmates will come forward.
Like we saw it in the West Memphis Three case.
Right. That little turd that came forward and was like, because Jason told me he put the balls in his mouth.
And it's like, no. So gross. He didn't. Because they want leniency for their sentence.
Yeah, they just want shit from people. Well, this inmate was serving a life sentence for murder.
He wasn't getting out. So he was like, I got nothing to lose.
And he had a daughter. Oh, okay. So he said, when investigators, because Trace went and talked to him, and they were like, listen...
One, we're not giving you anything for this.
You will still have a life sentence. We're not going to protect you.
We're not going to give you anything. You get nothing out of this.
Just so we're clear. And he just thought it was the right thing to do.
And this guy was like, I know that and that's fine.
And then they were like, you might get targeted for ratting out a fellow inmate.
And he said, even if he was killed for it, he was like, I have to say it.
I can't live with this. And then he said, I have a daughter.
And he said, I can't protect my daughter because I'm on the inside here.
And he said, but if this fucker gets out and can do this again, I will fear for my daughter.
Wow. So he was actually like... I'm like that man murdered somebody I know the fuck it's so strange how that how people's minds can work like that like one thing is okay but the other isn't Yeah, and he was in for murder on, I guess it was like a... a cra it wasn't like a planned murder it was like over a debt and there was an argument and he killed someone that is but by no means okay.
No, but it's a different, it's a weird, it's a weird murder.
But. he was a murderer yes so you just are like you shouldn't have those feelings i don't know right right right but okay Thank you.
So they were like, so they took his word and were like, you know what?
He has nothing to gain from this. yeah why would he lie about this and when you look at larry's bullshit it fits right along with what he does wow so here's a little taste of larry's bullshit no thank you I decline this is a this is a tough one so it has rape in it so just as a trigger warning okay So February 11th, 2000, lariates, lariates. i thought you said larry eats and i was like eats what larry eats it was like some trees like what's gonna happen i just put larry and 28 together and it said larry ate So Larry's 28 year old victim who was not named.
She's not named in anything. She left her business, which is not identified because she is not identified in this.
She was 28 years old. She left her business at night in Carlotown.
She was walking a short distance from her shop to the parking garage where her car was parked.
Larry had been following and watching her for some time.
Like a creep. He knew her routine. That she left every night at this time.
She parked in the same spot. That she walked the same walk.
No, don't do that. And he had planned everything to a T.
He told his pregnant wife that he had an appointment so she wouldn't have to worry about him being late for work.
He also had two sons at home. Jesus Christ.
He parked his car with the child seat in the back away from the woman's car outside of the garage.
And he had an entire plan in his mind about how he would abduct her and what he would do.
She got into the garage and walked towards her car and Larry was up behind her in seconds, like out of the dark.
He screamed at her to give over her purse and she pulled it away.
She was like, fuck you. And he punched her square in the face, breaking her nose immediately.
Oh, my God. She fell backwards, and he pushed her into her car.
And then he pushed her face into the floorboard of the front passenger seat.
He ripped her bra off as she was in that position. with blood pouring from her nose, and he tied her hands with her bra.
He then took her shoes off. That's weird.
And in the book by Alan Bailey, which again, everybody read.
He mentions that he thinks this is just like a vulnerability thing.
Because he said, think about it. If you don't have your shoes. shoes off you do have a weird level of vulnerability you can't get away as fast um So he then drove her own car to his own car and transferred her into his trunk.
She was screaming in the trunk, so he turned the radio up as loud as possible to drown her out.
No, I fucking hate that. That is my... That's my thing.
I hate it. I hate it. That's like one of my 84 things.
I hate it so much. So he drove her to a secluded dirt road.
He ripped all of her clothing off. completely naked, threw her in the passenger seat and brutally raped her.
When he was done, he threw her naked into the trunk again and drove off again. to a place called Spinnin's Cross in Kilranalee Woods.
Don't know if I got that one right. I think you did.
You know what? I gave that one my best shot.
So that one's a tough one. So. Spinnin's cross in Kilranale Woods.
He dragged her by her hair into the passenger seat again.
And another instance of, like, hair. Yep.
Like, pulling by the hair. And this time he sodomized her and forced her to perform oral sex on him.
Oh, God. She said she was terrified because he was so unhinged and violent, like he was She was probably thinking she was going to get murdered at any second.
She said, I was just waiting for him to kill me.
So she stopped resisting and just complied because she was like, I'm trying to make him calm down.
And she was like, I feel like me resisting is getting him angrier and more.
It's almost like they get off more from.
Exactly. So she she complied. She started just like not fighting back.
It worked. He tried to literally cuddle with her. after he raped her again what um that's that's so terrifying in and of itself horrifying Then he just so then she says he just started talking about his life and like opening up to her. is you know how like every now and then you get a glimpse of that with like one victim that is That's the weirdest thing.
He just laid there and gave TMI details about everything, and she was like, In my head, I was thinking he's telling me all this because he's going to kill me.
Right. There's no way he's going to love you because he just told me as a wife, he has kids. told me everything.
Right. So now I know so much about him. Like shit he did probably.
Yeah. So he, she was like, awesome. So she's so he's like cuddling with her.
Then he just starts like asking her questions and she's trying not to answer them.
She's being like, oh God, I just wanted him to fall asleep so I could like try to get out of here.
He then all of a sudden out of nowhere gets angry again, grabs her hair and tries to drag her back into the trunk.
Oh my God. But she freed her hands. and grabbed a can of spray paint from the trunk.
Wow. And sprayed it directly into his eyes.
Fuck yes! Except. Like, damn girl. Nothing came out of this break-in.
Wait, I'm sorry, what? Nothing came out of the spray can because you have to shake. a spray can no no no no no oh fuck that's like the scene and scream where she keeps locking the doors but he has the fucking thing on the outside yep Fuck.
Or when like Gale Weathers is like, Time's up, asshole, or whatever she said.
And then the gun isn't loaded. Click, click, click, click, because it's on safety.
Oh, right. You gotta click the safety. That's no good.
Fuck. I mean, what a badass to be like, just swipe that kid's brand and be like, Just shake it really quick.
It's okay. But it's like in the moment. Yeah, you don't have any time.
What are you thinking? Fuck, fuck, fuck.
Nothing came out. He was... Even more. So he shoved her into the trunk.
Oh God. Puts a plastic bag over her head.
No. is trying to suffocate her and at the same time is using his hands to strangle her.
Oh. So he's fucking unhinged, like he's gone.
So she swings her legs over the side of the trunk to try to get out, just to try to get up.
Oh, God. And he, while he's strangling her with the bag over her head, takes the trunk, the door of the trunk, and is slamming her legs over and over again with the trunk.
Oh, God. Like monster. Yeah. She started losing consciousness.
She said she was trying really hard to fight back, but obviously You have a fucking plastic bag over your head and you're being beaten at the same time and strangled.
You have been brutally raped for hours. Yeah, you're exhausted.
Your body is probably like so exhausted.
Well, suddenly a car appears and shines headlights on them.
Oh, my God. So he throws her on the ground naked with a bag on her head, jumps in his car and flies away.
So two men get out of this other car. I say this all the time.
Imagine being the fucking car that rolls up on this.
Well these two men get out. Oh, this poor woman.
She probably all she wanted to see was like a fellow woman.
Just a woman, man. Like, please. I will give it to these men. because they saw this like going on and they thought it was like a couple arguing and they said it looked really like violent.
So they were like, you know what, normally I wouldn't intervene, but this looks... We want to stop this before something happens.
So they were pulling up there to be like, fucker, stop hitting that girl.
Like, they were like... And then when they pulled up and saw it, they were like, what the fuck?
So she saw them and she had a bag over her head and it's pitch black.
She sees two men coming at her, and she's like, he got more men.
Oh my god. And so she runs. Oh my god. They finally- she gets tangled in, like, branches.
Yeah. And they get to her and are like screaming at her like, I swear we're not like we want to help you.
We're not here to hurt you. Like we want to get you to the police.
Oh, my God. She finally, she went with them and they like, they saved her.
Yeah. They saved her life. And she absolutely she was seconds away from being killed.
Absolutely. And it was the day where they got her to a hospital.
This is crazy. Yeah, and they were able to help her identify Larry because they were like, we saw him.
And was that what he was in jail for? Yeah, and this is the one that he was in jail for because they also had known Larry from around.
So they were like, that was him. Like, we saw him.
Oh my God. So when he was arrested for this, his wife Mags, because he was arrested at his home.
What did she say? His wife Mags asked what the hell was going on.
She was like, what are you being arrested for?
Like, what is happening? The police said right in front of them, he looked over at her and said, I raped a girl last night.
Oh my God. To his pregnant wife. What a fuck?
Like that is. Yes. What? Just looked at her and was like, I raped a girl last night.
And then he has to go. Obviously, he's arrested and leaves.
And she's just sitting there with her two small children.
Heavily pregnant. And she just has to bask in that?
Yeah. Well, he gets even worse. So he later would say that the first time he raped this woman was rape.
But the second location? No. He said, no, the second location she stopped resisting.
So you think that's consensual? And so he said it was consensual lovemaking the second time.
Oh, yeah. You're literally disgusting. Like, he's...
He's like, when somebody stops resisting, that's when it becomes love.
Well, he was like, yeah, of course she wanted it.
No. No. No one does. You're disgusting.
No one does. He got 15 years for this. He only served 10.
How do you only get 15 years for something that brutal?
He is free. What? And was spending a lot of time in London and is thought to be living there.
So the guardi are monitoring him and preparing to possibly arrest him for Deirdre's murder now.
Holy crap. And this is actually new, like 2020 new.
2019, 2020 new that they have been monitoring him.
Did this inmate come forward pretty recently with that?
I think so. And they were able to like... actually get more yeah they were able to go back over everything and like gather more wow um So they are monitoring him.
They also believe he could definitely be involved in Annie McCarrick's disappearance and Jojo Dullard.
And possibly like four others. Wow. So they were enhancing the CCTV footage of Deirdre from the day she went missing like digitally.
Yeah. And they haven't released the findings, but it's looking like they might have caught Larry on that footage.
Shut the fuck up. I hope so. The final findings of the new investigation recommend Larry to be arrested for murder. and they've been turned into the director of public prosecutions, and they will be the ones to determine if there is basis to arrest him for the murder of Deirdre.
Another case I need to start following. So that's where we are right now.
Oh, my God. Waiting for it. I hope that like, you know, when we did the Lori Vallow case and then like the next day, shit went down.
Also, the world is supposed to end today.
I hope everybody's good. you did you you knew wow maybe this is another situation where we put it out into the universe and oh my god hopefully that motherfucker Ends up rotting in prison.
You just had me on the edge of this polka dotted seat.
It's a wild story. That poor woman. Can you imagine?
Well, and how do you live your life after that?
Like I would never be alone again. Of course not.
She was just walking to her car. Like she did every other night.
And several times she thought she was dying that night.
I'm on such high alert whenever I get out of my car because of this podcast.
Oh my head is on a constant. swivel baby like I am never my keys are constantly in between my fingers oh hell yeah and actually I keep my key in between one finger and then my bottle opener in between another There you go.
See, I have a little turquoise can of mace on my keychain.
That you don't have to shake. So fuckers.
That was the worst part of that whole thing.
It killed me. It killed me. That was like a movie.
It's something that you think of that you're just like, oh, shit, you do have to shake a can of spray.
I was so remember I was so excited then you were like yeah wait and I was like fuck I didn't even think about you don't think of it they should fix that I don't think of it now, so I certainly wouldn't think of it in the moment.
In the moment, no. I would just be a sea of spran of... spran?
A can of... A sea of spran of cape. Pant.
I would see a can of spray paint and be like, good, I'm going to spray this fucker in the face.
Oh my God. And oh, the anger. Oh, the anger.
Oh, the anger. I gotta catch my breath. It's... Genuinely.
It's a... It's a trip. This one's a trip.
So my final thoughts are, like I said, I don't think this is a serial killer who is taking these women.
I think Larry Murphy did a few, for sure.
Yeah. Especially Deirdre. Definitely Deirdre.
Looks good for some other ones. I wonder if he was at the live music place that night.
That's what I'm wondering. That Annie was at.
And I think that they're doing a very good job of keeping certain things...
Close to the chest. And then other things releasing.
And I think they're doing a good job to gather a case to really get him.
Right. And I think specific suspects are good for like Kiara and Fiona. the exes and the weird old guy.
I think those definitely make sense. When it comes to Annie McCarrick, I'd be interested.
I couldn't find much about what connects Larry to her.
I think the only thing he would have been... Maybe he was in the area.
Yeah, why can't I talk? But with her, I think that IRA...
That's pretty strong. Theory is a pretty good one with her, but...
I mean, the other ones are anyone's guess, really.
Yeah, they really are. But it seems like this is just an area of just bad juju when it comes to this stuff.
It really is. I want to know about the pregnant Fiona, who they have that linked to.
Fiona Pender, yeah. That one's an interesting one because they found the cross.
She was buried here with that specific date that was like important to somebody's life.
I want to know more about that. I feel like that one, and I mean, the good thing is they're still actively looking into these cases.
Yeah, Trace is doing the damn thing. Trace is...
Pretty badass. We need Trace to come on over here and work on a few things.
I know. They need to get on JonBenet. Once they're finished.
I want them on JonBenet. I want that. Well, okay, so...
Are you finished with the case? I'm finished.
That was incredible. I know that we've mentioned like Elon a few times or Ghislaine.
I don't know which the right one is. Really?
Who gives a shit? I don't care. I don't want it.
I don't even want to say her name correctly.
Yeah. I don't even know if I said this to you yet.
You can. Well, don't stop me because I don't know.
I didn't say it to anybody else on the podcast.
So apparently there's this photo going around.
Oh, I saw this. OK. Yeah. So people don't.
So the photo, if you don't if you haven't seen it yet, it's a photo of JonBenet.
And people think that the woman behind her is Ghislaine or that bitch.
Yes. And it's like, holy fuck, that is kind of weird.
Except he who must not be named who I don't want to be sued by is also a pretty good suspect.
There's a lot. There's a lot in that case.
And that picture is slightly compelling.
You're just like, okay, that does look like her.
But then again, a lot of women look like her.
And also, people are really good at Photoshop.
That's true. I mean, I don't think it was Photoshopped.
I don't think so either. It looks like a real photo, but it could just be a random woman.
With a short haircut. With a short haircut.
That could actually be Kris Jenner. It could definitely be Kris Jenner.
And honestly, it probably is. Yikes. I fucking hate the Kardashians and Kris Jenner.
Let me just lay that out there. She does.
We just had a full blown conversation about that before everything started.
We're going to start a spinoff actually.
That's my full stance on them. I think they're gross.
But I want to, I do, I feel like I just need to review the JonBenet Ramsey case again.
The JonBenet Ramsey is the one case that...
Drives me bonkers. Insane. Bonkers. Insane.
Because I really think that you like... We're going to start a whole new episode of OSHA today.
I know, right? But I think the theory of like, it was an accident.
And covered up to save the remaining child.
I know. It definitely is a strong theory.
Seems pretty strong, but you know. I'm not saying that's what happened though.
I don't want Shmerk to get any ideas. No, I'm scared.
We're going to keep them off our channel.
We're going to stop that now. But I just wanted to mention that picture because... It is a crazy picture.
I know, you just don't know. It's pretty crazy.
But anyway, wow, with your fucking episode.
Yeah. And also the other thing is I have been hearing from a lot of like our Irish listeners about this.
Some of them have been telling us different theories and stuff.
And keep it coming. I love a good theory.
I'm loving to hear the people that are like... totally involved in this area and like history and everything, let us know because it's really fun to hear.
And I know I probably messed up a lot of the pronunciations in the first part because people were like, you're adorable, good try.
Oh, I thought you meant this part. I was like, no, we paused 87 times.
No, they were really sweet about it. And but I gave it.
I gave it an even better go for you guys.
You know what, Ireland? We fucking love you.
Yeah. We see you. And you guys have been really nice.
We want to be with you someday. We do. I love Ireland. oh my god i want to do a uk show we will someday it'll be so great but i just wanted to thank you guys for being nice and sharing your wisdom and all your stuff with me and keep it coming and whatever your theories are i'd love to hear them yeah so good so let us know wow that was i'm like hyped because that was so good especially with the ending Well, if you want to follow us on Instagram and let us know if Alina pronounced anything correct for this episode, please do.
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And we hope you keep it weird but that's the way that you go to Ireland and you try to have a good time and everybody there is like super super nice and you love Ireland but then they're might be the serial killer going around, but then maybe there's not.
And then Fiona was so nice. And then the other Fiona was so nice.
And then everybody just ends up brutally murdered and it's really messed up it is is trace gonna figure out what happened i don't know can you figure it out trace and then when you're done with that can you come over here keep it so weird that you come here Yes, I love that.
Keep it that weird. And let's get Larry in jail.
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