Episode 15: Richard “Stanky Chops” Ramirez AKA The Nightstalker Part 2 | Morbid

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Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid. back in the pod lab oh yeah so we're not as you can probably hear there's no crickets There's just a creaky rocking chair.

Only a handful of you didn't like the crickets, but...

We're catering to you. We're catering to you, yeah.

Because we care about everyone's opinions.

Exactly, and it's less editing for me later, so that works.

I hope you can just hear the burp that I did inside of my mouth.

I didn't hear it, but who knows, because this microphone is intense.

This picks up so much. In fact, I'm sorry if my rocking chair creaks.

Well, you can edit it out maybe. I'll edit out the creaking of my old lady chair.

So before we say anything else, I was waiting to tell you something.

Do you know how last week you asked me... Well, maybe not last week, but like...

At some time recently, you asked me if I went on a murderous killing spree, what song would I do it to?

Because that was like a thing on like Facebook or something.

Yeah. I decided to change my answer to Tainted Love.

Ooh. Because I heard it on the way here.

That's a great one. And the end is so creepy.

And he's like, especially when it's like... oh my god yeah that would be a great one so that is for sure my answer I like that thank you mine is still Halloween spooks If anybody doesn't know that, just go ahead and look it up.

Yeah, just go look it up. You should insert a clip of it here.

I'll probably post, maybe I'll post a clip onto the Instagram.

Yeah, that's allowed. Yeah. That's allowed.

I can post whatever I want on Instagram.

It's the rules. The rules are do whatever you want.

The rules. So, yeah, hope you guys seem to dig part one.

Mm-hmm. And that's why we're giving you part two before the week is over.

Here you go. Because we are recording obviously right now.

And then again on Sunday. And then tonight I'm going into the morgue and I'm going to edit this podcast.

It's going to be authentic. I'm going to go to bed.

Yeah. So hopefully it'll be out on Friday, which won't matter to you because it'll already be out.

I'd consider even Saturday the week. if you I'll try to get it out tomorrow I'm going to try my hardest If I don't, don't hate me.

Alayna really tries so hard for you guys.

I do. I try a lot. I try really hard when we're recording. to be funny and present and other than that I just can you succeed you know I do what I can you do it man if you need help call me but um you just really take a lot thank you thanks and i just want them to know that thank you yeah Well, you know what?

It would be shit all without you. Yeah, it'd be, like, wicked boring.

It really would. If it was just me talking to myself.

Yeah, fuck that. And if it was anybody else. it would be oh yeah fuck everyone else yeah no one else i think everybody can agree with that if anything happens to me this podcast is just yeah this is gonna have to be over yeah Because I don't think I could Aaron Mankey this.

I'm not Aaron Mankey. No. I can't make it good by myself.

Or I'm not Alison Horrocks from the Strange and Unusual podcast, which you should go listen to, too. right now because she's great but I don't have that charisma you know what I do I get hooked on one podcast and I just like don't allow myself to like listen to other ones because it feels like cheating See, I listen to a lot of podcasts.

I just listen to like one or two. And I like rotate.

Like I get through them all and then I start over because I always have a new episode to go to because I have to go through all of them first.

Yeah. like hit all the new episodes and then I can just circle back around and I got all new episodes waiting for me.

Smart. It's a good way to do it. Do you know what it felt like today?

What did it feel like? Fall. It felt like fall.

And I said it so many times at work and all my friends at work at the location I was at today like really love summer.

And I was just like, who are these people?

I was like, guys, it's fall. It's fall. And then I fucking ordered.

So tell me how fucking awesome this sounds. a dirty chai oh i've heard of that so it's just like a chai like a nice chai with a shot of espresso ooh and i got one today i gotta try that because i've heard it i've just never ordered it do you want to know what happened though So it was really, really good.

But then I was putting on my sweater because I brought a sweater to work today.

And I just really, like, I don't even, like, I just screwed myself over because I whipped my sweater on and me whipping it on knocked my...

Dirty chai off the counter. That's a badass day.

I probably just like had my serving size and then the world was like, stop.

And the universe was like, take it out. The universe was like, you are literal trash.

We gonna fix this. You're trash. Where's your slurpy bitch? with your trash cereal i'm never getting one of those again i got so sick did you i'm just gonna leave it at that I mean, I feel like you would.

For two days. Like, if you were like, I felt great after that, I'd be like, you're super human.

I was sick for two days. I believe it. Yeah.

I mean, it was called the Captain Crunch slushie.

Yeah, and I got it at 7-Eleven at, like, 9-ish o'clock at night, so...

I really just did that to myself. Here try this, I'm trash.

That was my favorite thing ever. Here try this, I'm trash.

So there's been a lot of true crime exciting things.

There's been a lot this week. Why am I saying exciting?

There's been a lot of true crime awful things that have happened.

I mean, in our world it's exciting. It's exciting because it's things, but they're awful things.

Yeah, horrible. Well, exciting that for the, if you want to talk about the first one that he got caught.

I was going to say that's the one good thing is in the Molly Tibbetts case, which I was following that for like. the whole month she's been gone to me about it yeah because john was the one who brought it up to me and he was like have you heard of like when she was first missing And he was like, what the hell is going on here?

And it freaked him out because they brought up that she was jogging alone and that that was the last time she was seen.

Do you jog alone? I don't, but I used to.

Really? Yeah, I used to jog around the neighborhood by myself.

Now I don't. I haven't done it in forever.

You only do that in like the afternoon. Yeah.

I didn't know you did that. Yeah. Don't do that.

And then, no, I don't. I don't exercise, so I don't have those words.

I'm so glad that he was found. And I'm so glad that he confessed.

The only thing that really... I mean, there's a lot that pisses me off, but the biggest thing that pisses me off... is that he was saying that he was driving by her, he saw her jogging, So he looped around a few times to stalk her while she was still like a fucking creep.

Like go away. And then he got out of his car and jogged next to her.

Like he got out of his car? And behind her.

And he said, eventually she said to him, get away from me or I'm calling the police.

And he continued. So then she started running, like, away.

And he said he chased her down. Like, you're a fucking piece of shit.

But then he said the next thing he remembers is placing her in the cornfield where she was found.

He said he blacked out. No, you didn't. You remember it.

And you fucking did it. How fucking convenient.

That you don't have to remember. It's such an easy way for them to take complete responsibility away from themselves.

I blacked out. You know what, though? They fucking say that.

But I hope that they think of it every single night that they're laying in jail.

I hope he thinks. And you know what? He's going to have a fun time in jail.

Oh, yeah. Like, worst. Worst. And it's like... That was just a... I mean... most crimes are senseless, but that was so fucking senseless.

Just jogging down the street. And you know what her crime was?

Just being a woman. Not even being pretty.

She was beautiful. Just being a woman jogging down the road.

Like, that's the issue here. Well, it's like what we were saying last week with Richard Ramirez, how he, like, learned if you want something, you take it.

Exactly. Men today. Yeah. So many of them.

But it is a big fucking problem. Not all men, obviously, but it's a big problem.

And I'm sure a lot of men even agree with this, that This is a big problem that they're being taught to kind of just take what they want.

Take what you want. and that's and one thing i want to say to people is like take to like women especially and ben like take self-defense classes like i want to take one i do too I used to do karate when I was younger.

See? And one thing that is good to know is that if somebody ever attacks you from behind...

Bend yourself forward and slam the back of your head against their face as hard as you can because the back of your head is very thick.

Wicked smart. And it can take a really good hit and it can fuck their face up and it will at least fuck them up enough that they might let go of you and get disoriented and you can get the fuck out of there.

So if somebody grabs you from behind, bend forward and then slam your head back as hard as you can into their face.

I love that. Just do that. Hopefully you never have to use it.

If it's a dude, kick your foot back to it.

Yep, kick your foot back and try to bend your butt into them because it's a very odd position to bend yourself forward and kind of push yourself forward away from them.

So just, you know, hopefully you never have to do it, but hit them in the face with the back of your head.

Do you know what my strategy is? I'm far too heavy to pick up.

That's my strategy. You're welcome. Can't catch me.

But you know what? Because I'm not running.

Think about the story that was in the Murderino group.

A couple, what was it, like a month ago?

A lady that was nine months pregnant. I know, that's wild.

And this guy still attacked her. Like, you're not safe anywhere.

Honestly, true crime will make you become a corpse.

It's true. As I'm sure everybody has noticed.

Hi, I'm a true crime agoraphobic person.

That we're making everyone as paranoid as we are.

That was funny. I loved. I can't remember the guy.

I can't remember the guy's name. Oh my God.

His name is Robert. Yes, Robert. I don't have his username right now.

It's Robert Zero, I think. I laughed so hard at that.

I was like, I had tears coming out of my eyes.

I showed my husband that because I was like, this is so funny. funny.

It was funny. And I loved the shade at the end.

He tagged us. I don't know if everybody saw it But he tagged us in his story after he listened to the Richard Ramirez episode.

He just tagged us in a video of him latching his window and then like violently. like all very quickly like fuck that and it was just all like no words just that it was so funny and it's exactly how i feel about this situation And then today the girl that tagged us when she was sleeping on the couch and she was like well shit.

So I'm sorry that we're making you guys.

Sorry guys. But like think about. We're just trying to help you out.

Yeah. morbid tips you know fresh air is for dead people sleeping on the couch is for dead people yeah I'm just trying to give you a good... A lot of your daily activities are for dead people.

Yeah, it's not for dead people. Honestly, sleeping's for dead people.

You're so fucking vulnerable. It really is.

You're so fucking vulnerable. But at least lock your doors and windows if you can.

You know, give it a shot. But the other bummer...

True crime story that we touched on briefly last episode.

Yeah, we did. Is, like, that asshole. I don't even remember his name.

Good. And I don't care to look it up because fuck that guy.

But... I wish that more things focused on the victims' names.

I think that's another big problem in society.

And the victim's name is Shanann and Bella and Celeste and little baby Nico. oh my god in this so this was the one we talked about last week last episode i keep saying last week like it happened a long time ago And it was the guy who killed his entire family.

And then... Before he was caught and admitted to doing this, he was on the news begging for their return.

But it was such, you knew from the second he was on there that it was bullshit because he couldn't even, it almost looked like he was smiling.

Like he couldn't form a tear. Which is fucking disgusting.

And it's like normally I don't judge people's reactions because I'm like everyone...

I don't know how I'd react sometimes I laugh in very inappropriate situations like you know that you sure do like I have when I get nervous I laugh so I can't Totally judge that.

But now, knowing what he did, I'm like, you piece of shit.

No, he was definitely. But what makes it worse... is his confession now is that first of all they found out he was having an affair with his co-worker of course With his pregnant wife.

Like, seriously? So he's claiming that the night that they went missing and were murdered... that he came home and told his wife that he wanted to separate.

Because he's such, you know... Oh, he told his pro?

Yeah, and he's claiming that this is hella pregnant.

I don't think she was super pregnant, but she was pregnant.

And he's claiming he told her that he wanted a separation and that she flipped out.

And then he looked on the baby monitor after a while, and she was strangling the children to death.

So now let me just, I'm going to put this out here.

So you murdered your pregnant wife and your two children.

And now when she is not here. to defend herself, you're claiming she did the worst thing that a mother could ever do?

You absolute fucking monster. That's not what happened.

I don't believe it. Because you know how I know that's not what happened and how he definitely killed those kids?

Because you know where they found their bodies?

In an oil tank that was filled with crude oil.

He dumped his four and two-year-old into a fucking tank filled with shit oil.

Oh my god. If you gave... If you are a parent on any level or love anybody... you know that that is never, ever something you could ever do with your children's bodies.

I'm not even a parent, and I don't understand that.

Like, someone could have a gun to my temple and tell me to do that.

I would never... You would die before you did that.

I would never do that. You do not disgrace your children's bodies if you really gave a shit about them.

He's a fucking sociopath. He killed his family because he wanted to be with this new chick, this side chick.

That's what this was all about. He was having an affair.

He had a family. It was too much. He wanted a new life.

Just run away. Exactly. Just get the fuck out of their lives.

They'd be better off without you anyways.

But instead you just... It infuriated me, though, that he's... And to claim that this poor woman... did the unthinkable to her children when she's not here to defend herself.

Right. And he claims that he strangled her because she strangled the kids.

So he's the hero. And it's like, I hope you get such prison justice.

Oh my god. Because when they find out what you did to- little tiny see you later goodbye god you're gonna be someone's favorite snack in prison and i can't wait I want to hear about it.

That was a great, like, I love that you just said that.

That was awesome. I just, ugh. So, yeah.

That's our fun depressing. And it's only gonna get worse.

Oh, we have to talk about the Patreon. Oh, yes.

Donators. This is a happy thing. So let's bring it all up again.

Just slam it all back down. Let's really lift their spirits.

So we have been absolutely over fucking whelmed by the support you guys have given us on Patreon.

I can't believe it's this active already.

I honestly didn't expect any... I was like, you know, I'm just going to put this up here and give it a shot.

I... Can't even, we cannot begin to tell you.

Thank you guys so much. Yeah, how much we appreciate it.

Because now it's really making us want to pump out more material.

We're trying to improve our audio as we go here, which hopefully you're hearing a little bit each time we're trying to get better and better.

I personally think that we sound so much better.

Oh, I can't even, I'm not even going to listen to the first few episodes.

No, I just, I wish they would disappear, but like you guys can keep them.

Yeah, definitely keep them. I mean, they were great.

Content was good. Content was great. Audio quality.

So we're going to step it up for you because you've really stepped it up for us.

Yes. Really appreciate it. And we want to shout you guys out.

Okay, so we have... I think there's four tiers to the Patreon, am I right?

There is, but only three are active right now.

Okay, so the window latching coven. evil onion and jagged little bitches are the ones that are active so i'll start with window latching coven Shout out to Ashley Oxley, or Oxley, not positive.

Yeah, Ashley. I like how you spell your name. um jennifer madden jennifer madden your last name is richard madden's last name and he's super hot so i bet you're super hot You probably are.

Joanna D. Yeah, Joanna D. Love it. Um, Kelly Bath.

When I was writing down Kelly Bath's name today, I just said out loud, that's a really cool name.

It's true. I actually said like, actually loved your name.

She had a moment about your name. Jacinta Edmonds is also part of the Window Latching Covenants.

Hell yes, Jacinta. And that is... Thank you, Window, Letch, and Coven.

All five of you guys. You guys are fucking awesome.

You guys keep closing those damn windows.

Let's call the corners together or some shit.

Fuck yeah. You guys are a coven. now for uh the band evil onions hell yeah evil onions we have uh four members of this band so it actually could be a band so it really is like a band and we have one of your favorite people Lily Turner.

My Lily Turner. And I don't know if she likes Lily, so I'll say Lil.

I always call her Lil. But I love my Lil.

And Lil, you're the best for supporting us.

This next name is, like, hella fancy, and I just want to tell you that, girl.

Ooh. Grace DeLowry. Ooh, Grace DeLowry. Like, DeLowry is such a, like, fancy-ass name.

Ooh. like I feel like she had a um what's that thing that they do on Gilmore Girls that I wanted to do oh a coming out party like a what's it called though like debutante debutante she sounds like a debutante you know what if she didn't have one she should because she has one now have one now um there's also lauren sutherland thank you lauren My little sister's name is Lauren.

There you go. But she doesn't listen to this podcast, though.

But this Lauren does. Shout out to you if you do.

And then our last member is John Bielecki.

Yeah, John. John was actually the first one, so special props to John for jumping right on that.

So thank you, John. That's not a word. And also, I love it, though.

Okay. I think it's good. Let's just create it.

I'm literal trash. Also, my husband's name is John, so rock on.

Rock on. For having a good name. Okay. And then the last group that is active right now is the Jagged Little Bitches.

Yes. And you guys, I feel like that just reminds me of Pink because of, you're just like a pink.

Or Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morissette.

Yes, that too. Oh, I just sniffed really, really intensely.

Sorry, I don't want to edit it out. Okay.

So there's three members of the Jagged Little Bitches, so they're like, A nice little trio of jagged little bitches.

Yes, exactly. I like it. Your girl, Samantha Trott.

Samantha. Who I feel like she is like my friend by association.

You should be friends with Sam because she's amazing.

I think she's really cool. She's amazing.

Lil and Sam. I think Lil and Sam need to meet each other too.

I've never met Sam, but I met Lil like once at Target.

You did? Yeah. At Target. They're both amazing people.

I love them. Thank you, Sam. Yes, thank you.

I really hope I don't say her name wrong.

Brandy... B-E-L-C-I-K. belsic i think belsic she's active on our instagram so i recognize her name thank you so much brandy the tits you're the tits brandy and then this next one is like my middle name so i bet she's really cool Yeah, what was that?

We're inside and that just scared me. What was it?

I think it was John closing the door downstairs.

When John closes the door, he does it with the authority of like...

A Thousand Huns. Oh, okay. Yeah. That was intense.

It felt like he was closing the door up here.

Yeah. That's what it feels like anywhere in the house. um sorry nicole we just got really off track nicole speckin yeah nicole speckin so thank you guys are fucking awesome guys Seriously, we're in awe.

This is not even real life. Sorry if you're hearing me put this paper down.

Bye. So guys, seriously, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I can't even appreciate how much I appreciate you.

I can't even appreciate it. That's not what I meant to say.

I can't even understand or comprehend. Yes.

How much I appreciate you. Yeah. We have, we're so, we are humbled to say the least.

Like people want to listen to us. This is amazing.

Oh yeah, and that's another thing. We do want to start because we asked you guys for merch ideas, like quotes, and you guys gave us fucking amazing things like i love that people have crabbed onto so many i know they have some things that i didn't even know realize that when it came out i was like oh yeah i do say that i like bananas i say that a lot So yeah, we're going to try to get some merch together for that.

Try to get some t-shirts, try to get some buttons, some stickers that we can send to our Patreons too.

And I believe the first of the month is when you will be billed for your Patreon donation. and that's when we will start gathering up all the fun stuff to send you guys and get out our bonus episodes for you guys because we're going to get those rolling.

Love you on the lookout for that. Woo! And I think that's all the business we have to attend to since we're like 20 minutes into this thing already.

Oh shit. We're going to turn into like the people that talk forever.

I know. Okay. Ready? So part two of Richard Ramirez.

So, I mean, things are going to get pretty rough.

It was already really rough, but there's a couple in here.

We ended on a rough note. Yeah, we ended on Ma Bell.

And her friend Florence Lang. Which, by the way, what I've noticed about this case is there is a lot of conflicting information about names.

For some reason, victims' names get twisted around or named totally different things.

There's so many. So I just kind of picked the ones that I could find the most.

And if I couldn't find something that...

I was confident enough to say I don't say it.

So I'm not going to give you wrong information here.

One of the other things I'll just add in here is somebody emailed us or DMed us about the pentagram thing.

Oh yeah, you told me about this. Because he uses pentagrams a lot.

And they were kind enough to actually explain the difference between a pentacle and a pentagram.

And so it made me want to do further research because, girl, I love to research.

So give me anything and I'm going to research it for like three hours.

And so I went. into the whole history of the pentagram and pentacle.

Because I was like, oh, we said pentagram this whole time.

And everything I've read about him says pentagram.

I've never read Pentacle. I don't think we were technically wrong.

Okay. Just made it on a technicality. And I'm not trying to be like...

We're not wrong, you know, but I think basically it is what you attribute the meaning to it.

Like, because back in like the... This dates back to like the 14th, 15th centuries when... like occult practices started taking over they were rooted in judeo-christian symbolism and mysticism so they started taking christian symbols and turning them okay And so the pentacle and pentagram are kind of interchangeable in that sense, where it's like the meaning you attribute to it.

Okay. And like, I think it's like, it doesn't really matter if there's a circle around it or not.

It's kind of just... the meaning really is the meaning behind it it's yeah it's kind of like you can put the pentacle without the circle or the pentagram without the circle whatever the hell it is And if you're attaching a terrible meaning to it, then it is what it is.

So I think we're going to continue calling it a pentagram just because from what my research, that's what I've found to be okay.

Mm-hmm. But, you know, we're not trying to offend anybody.

So I did no research. So just do what you tell me.

And I think also Hollywood has something to do with this, too.

They've called it a pentagram, so it's become a pentagram kind of thing.

Oh, okay. So I think... In Richard Ramirez's eyes, it's a pentagram.

So I'm just saying pentagram because that's what he was using.

Yeah. We're a fucking witch's star. Like, what's her face like?

Yeah, like a witch's star. That's ridiculous.

And whoever, I'm sorry, I can't remember your name, who DM'd us.

I'm, like, tired. But thank you for bringing that. my attention because it was actually interesting to research so i appreciate it So we're going to start off after the Ma Bell and Florence Lang terrible, terrible murders.

Go back to part one if you want to hear about that.

Now, during this whole murder spree, Richard was living in and out of the Cecil Motel, which is what you mentioned.

And Ash was the one who brought it up that we need to do a whole episode on that.

We could do multiple episodes on that. For sure.

We should do an entire episode just dedicated to the things that have happened in that hotel.

There's so many interesting things. Yeah.

And he, during these... These things. He was basically... He would go back to that place when he could scrounge the money together by stealing shit from people's houses.

Because every time he murdered someone...

He stole shit from their house like he was a fucking thief.

He was Richie the Klepto. And he would come back to the Cecil Motel and he would dump his bloody clothing in the dumpster in the back of the hotel.

Which I'm sure no one was paying attention to.

And literally the place was such fucking unmitigated chaos that like no one noticed.

And he would like walk back to his room like half naked.

I want to know who was working there. And it's like, what?

Because they were not paying attention. Well, and I know other serial killers, like, worked out of that place because of the association with Richard Ramirez, too.

So it got, like... Yeah, so that's fucked up.

Is that what Hotel was based off of? Yeah, it was.

It was, like, loosely based off of that whole thing.

So we're up to now. The more I looked between like the names and the dates.

The dates of some of these get fucked up too.

It's like different timelines say different things.

Should we not say the date? I'm saying the dates that I have cross-referenced with each other and feel confident about, but some dates I'm just leaving out and not saying the dates because I'm not going to.

Because you don't want to be wrong. I don't want to spread a ton of wrong information.

So we're up to May 30th, 1985 now. And his next victim was 41-year-old Carol Kyle.

He broke in. He... And he basically just raped and sodomized her.

Oh. He left her alive. Oh. Carol... Did she live?

She did. She was left alive, and she described him as, quote, good-looking...

Which, weirdly, if he wasn't a garbage person and he had taken care of himself...

He has beautiful cheekbones. I will actually show you a picture of a kid that I graduated high school with and he looks...

Like, if he was cleaned up and not a garbage person, he would be a decent looking dude.

Like, he could have modeled. He had the bone structure of, like...

He is like a normal looking dude. He's like very... So, I mean, a lot of them described him as like... somewhat handsome and as you'll see later he had a lot of groupies so we'll get to that later though Guys, he didn't brush his teeth.

Well, she was the one who said that he smelled like wet leather.

She described it as wet leather. That just like reminds me of a wet dog.

Right. That's what I think of. I think of the wet dog smell immediately.

Okay. And it's because of his fucking halitosis that was caused by him.

Oh, halitosis. Like, that. Oh, my. So that was...

He's racking up descriptions now because he's leaving some people alive, which...

No rhyme or reason. He's just some people he decides.

And he will say later it made him feel more powerful to decide.

Whether or not somebody like he could walk out of there and leave you alive.

And he was like, God, because he just saved you.

Like he was like your God. Excuse me. Yeah.

So this is one that the data isn't very clear.

But it's 66-year-old Harold Wu and 62-year-old Jean Wu, husband and wife.

He went after so many like elderly people and like makes me crazy.

So he broke in and shot Harold in the head immediately as he slept next to Jean.

That was his thing. That was one thing he did do all the time.

Jesus. He left her alive. And he later said that this was one of those times that he left the person alive because he could.

Because he can do whatever he wants. He can choose to leave you alive.

Fucked. So this is another one that the date is unclear, but the next one was 41-year-old Ruth Wilson.

He broke into her home in the middle of the night.

This one's a little scary, but... There's a child in this one, but the child was left unharmed.

So just know that going in. He found her 12 year old son.

And he used him as bait for her to show him where all the valuables were in the house.

So he like held the 12 year olds. So when I say unharmed, I mean physically unharmed. not emotionally and mentally probably not but he would take he took him him around the house and was like show me where all your fucking valuables are or i'm gonna kill him So she showed him everything.

She brought him to like a very valuable necklace.

I believe she was a widow too. And I think the necklace was like sentimental.

He ended up, after she got him all the valuables, he handcuffed the son and locked him in a closet.

Jesus. And then he sodomized and raped Ruth. like she gave you all her stuff so can you just leave and i think that was one of the things she was like i will give you everything like just leave He then slashed her once and then bound her and her son together.

Slashed her? He just slashed her with a knife.

Jeez. And then bound her to her son and then left them both alive.

Like what? The next one was June 2nd, 1985, and it was 29-year-old Edward Wildgen's He was shot and killed by Ramirez and his girlfriend was violently raped but left alive.

Oh my god. So, I don't know what his thing is.

That's so horrible that he's just, like, leaving all these women alive, like, without the people that they're, like... With all this horrible emotional damage.

And you killed their... Yeah. They're a significant other.

They're human, exactly. And I feel like that's probably part of it.

I thought I found that, yep, so did I, and I was literally like, well, not coming out.

Woo. I almost unplugged the computer, guys.

So. Anyway. Again, he's starting to, he's leaving too many witnesses.

He's leaving too many people that can describe him because he wasn't wearing masks.

He was just, he thought he was unstoppable.

He thought he was God. Exactly. Now, he was always using stolen cars for this whole thing because that way they can't track him and it's easy.

And he just was really good at stealing cars, so he just did it. fucking sneakers exactly uh there was one night where he tried to break into a home, but he saw a man awake and conveniently cleaning a gun.

No way. So he bailed. He's like, you know what?

Fuck that. So he tried to straight up kidnap a little girl in Eagle Rock.

Jesus. But she started screaming and fighting him and someone called the police.

Good for her. Yeah. And so he bailed again.

So he gets back into his stolen car and he runs a fucking red light in the stolen car.

Because he's so, like, frustrated at this point.

Yeah, he's just like, he's everywhere. So the cop, a cop pulls him over.

A frenzy. A frenzy, exactly. He's in a fur-a-tensy.

He's in a fur-a-tensy. You know that. That's like a serial killer frenzy is a fur-a-tensy.

Yeah. That's a clinical term. It is. I'm here to say it.

Well, so a cop pulled him over and the cop had heard the description of the man who had tried to kidnap that little girl like moments earlier.

He was like, oh, hey, you look just like that fucking guy.

And the description matched Richard, obviously, because it was fucking him.

Let me guess. The cop was like, no, I don't think so.

No, the cop actually asked him jokingly, hey, you're not the guy killing people in their homes, are you?

You're kidding. L.A.P.D. Get your shit together. how are they do you know what there's so many situations like this like at this very moment If I could time travel, I would go back in time to the LAPD and I would show them all of the things, like I would gather all the articles and all the dumb shit that they did and And be like, look how much you're going to botch.

You can stop this. You can just like stop being so dumb.

Yeah. Thank you. I'm going back to the prison even though it sucks a little bit more.

I think that's a really good idea and I'd like that to happen.

All right. Because there's just too many cases like this where it's like.

Come on, LAPD. I'm going to look into time travel after this.

You really should. I'll research it. Just for this.

Basic-est amount of time travel research.

The basic-est amount, but it needs to happen.

I'll give it a look. Because come on, LAPD.

Jesus. I just cannot. And he responded, no way, man.

When are you guys going to catch that motherfucker? course he did because duh so the cop just walks back to his car to read to you know like do his shit and he then he goes to like call in the red light stop And the stolen car that he found out that he's like, oh, this is a stolen car when he runs the plates.

And Richard just gets out of the car, draws a pentagram on the hood of the car, and runs away.

Like, did the guy fall asleep in the middle of this?

All of the cops wasn't noticing because LAPD.

I like that he also just drew a pentagon.

He's like, let me make sure. Okay. And it sounds like... just I don't even know like over the top he's like ha ha he just like draws a pentagram and is like beep beep and then just like boops off exactly that's what I think of it's like you can't catch me was it a really like twirling his mustache was it a really big pentagram or like just a I don't know I think it was like a fairly big one Either way.

Wow. Fucking drop into Grimm on a hood of a car while a cop's standing there.

Yeah, that takes time. We were drawing them in your driveway the other day.

We were with chalk. Which is, like, maybe fucked up.

Yeah, that's all right. They were the pentacles.

Yeah, exactly. Because that's better. Or whatever.

Well, our meaning attaching to it was not bad.

Yeah, it was Jordan Pink once. Exactly. So I'm going to end all of these situations with just like, because LAPD.

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So, a couple of days later, after this, June 27th, 32-year-old Patty Elaine Higgins He slit her throat ear to ear while she slept.

Like, what the fuck? Now, a few days later, July 2nd, 75-year-old widowed grandma. mother who had survived two bouts of cancer mary louise cannon Oh, Jesus.

And then stabbed her with a 10-inch butter knife.

What? Yep. He stabbed her with a butter knife?

With a butter knife. Yeah. And let me tell you, it's hard to stab someone anyways.

Like, I'm not saying I've stabbed. I was like, where are we going?

But like during an autopsy, even when I first started training, they had to tell me like, you got to put some force behind it because it's harder than you think.

With a butter knife? Like, we use sharpened blades.

I can't imagine a butter knife. Damn. Like, that blew my mind.

And it's like, this lady. survived two bouts of cancer and it's richard fucking ramirez that takes her out like that makes me angry cancer so he really is well and cancer got him later so July 5th, 1985.

This one's scary. 16-year-old Whitney Bennett.

She lives. But he broke into her room, knew that her parents were sleeping in the room next to her.

Hits the sleeping 16-year-old in the head with a tire iron.

Oh my god. Rapes her and then leaves. She was left needing 478 stitches to close up the wound that he left on her skull.

I'm sorry, so legitimately almost 500 stitches?

Literally. And he raped her, a 16-year-old with her parents in the next room.

Did she have like brain damage? I don't know.

Oh my God. I mean, and think about it. He hit her with a tire iron, opened her head up enough that she needed 500 stitches.

I'm surprised she didn't do that. And while that was going on, he's raping her.

Oh god, ew. Like, you're an evil, evil, evil beyond.

But, so this was, that was July 5th. July 6th.

So he's really on a tear. Damn. 60-year-old Joyce Nelson.

She was asleep on the couch when he broke in and violently beat her.

She was stomped to death. what literally he stomped her to death which is the most violent aggressive thing i've ever heard i didn't even know that was a thing the amount of rage and aggression.

What is wrong with him? Well, this is the thing.

It's like... He changes it up all the time and he gets worse.

Like he comes out with different awful shit to do.

I mean, he covers the spectrum. That's insane.

There's very little that he does that... I mean, there's very little that he doesn't do.

I don't think there's anything he doesn't do.

I can't really think of anything. I mean, every serial killer is awful, but most of them stick to one awful thing or two awful things.

He literally hits everything. Jeez. He's got torture, rape, sodomy.

I mean, beating to death, stomping to death, stabbing to death, shooting to death.

He literally has everything. What don't you do?

He has nothing that he hasn't done. That's so fucked up.

So he left that Avia footprint on her face.

Wow. They were able to see the literal footprint of that shoe on her face, which is, that's another connection.

That's horrible. Now the same night as he stomped Joyce Nelson to death, 63 year old grandmother and nurse Linda Fortuna was attacked in her home around 3.30 a.m.

He held a gun to her head and woke her out of a dead sleep.

So she was woken out of a dead sleep with a gun to her temple. and he held a hand over her mouth and said make a sound and i'll kill you so that's what she woke up to 63 year old grandmother ordered her out of bed and brought her into the bathroom, ransacked her house.

Then he brought her back into her bedroom, put a pillow over her face and a glove in her mouth.

Tried to rape her, couldn't get it up. Tried to sodomize her, couldn't get it up.

Because he's a flaccid penis little shitbag.

And each time she said he was getting more and more angry that he wasn't able to perform.

Because again, he integrates sex and violence.

And if that's not happening, something is going to set off in him.

Like that's going to enrage him more than anything.

And so he, she said, cause she survived.

Oh my god. She said she was getting more and more scared.

First of all, she thought he was going to suffocate her because he put the pillow for so long i'm sure and she was like this is how it ends but he didn't and then she goes she said every time he couldn't do it He was getting more and more angry and she was like, he's going to kill me just out of rage.

Out of rage, yeah. But he didn't. He cursed her, like, called her a bitch, all this good stuff, and then left.

And left her alive. Wow. Yeah. Again, makes no sense.

So July 20th, 32 year old. Now this one. is the doozy.

I would like to put a pretty big trigger warning on this one.

There is a child in this one. The child lives, but...

He does something awful to this child. So I just want to warn you, if you want to skip a few seconds ahead, if you don't want to hear this, I understand.

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I've signed up for this. You've signed up for this, you have to say.

So, strapping. 32-year-old, now I'm sorry if I butcher this name, it's a really hard name, Chetat Asawahem.

I'm sorry if I butchered that name. He is shot immediately with a .25 caliber handgun.

And his 29 year old wife was beaten and forced to perform fellatio on Ramirez, which is so disgusting.

Then he rapes her. he then finds their eight year old son and he rapes him with a bottle of baby oil So he sodomized an eight-year-old with a bottle of baby oil. she said the now the mother is still alive and so is the eight-year-old she said that he kept asking her where the money is throughout this whole thing and she said that She said, she quote said, I swear to God that there's no money.

And he got angry when she said that. And he started telling her, you swear to Satan.

What the fuck? Then he raped her again and made her swear to Satan and then he left.

Now, her statement after this was, quote, he's dangerous beyond words.

So brutal, so mean, so cruel. His eyes were like an animal's, not human.

That is the most... Oh my god. Yeah, that one... I don't even know how to continue to do this podcast right now.

I know, my insides are like... garbage right now.

I actually just felt like I was going to throw up.

That one was hard to get out. I don't like kids things, man.

It's not... That one, when I read that, and it's, like, I have to, like, erase that from my... Well, I mean, you have to say it.

Like, that's... It's the truth. In order to understand what I meant when I said he is...

By far the worst. A disgusting, horrible monster.

That needs to be said. Because you need to see...

The depths of depravity that he sinks to.

I mean, he has no limit. I just don't understand.

There was no... Like, plenty of... I'm sorry.

You know what? I'm just going to go ahead and say it.

Plenty of people go through horrible shit in their lives.

Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, I get that your childhood was horrible and I'm sorry for that.

Other people go through that and don't do even nearly as bad things as that.

Exactly. They just go through life and they get better.

That is... And that's why... What the fuck?

He's a very good case study for nature. Because it's like...

Yeah. Nothing makes you do that. No. Nothing.

It's one thing to have an abusive childhood and you turn into a shit, violent human being.

But that's beyond. It is so wild and like inconceivable in my mind to think that anyone could ever like even think to do that yeah that's the thing it's like you just literally can't wrap your brain right now yeah it blew me literally blown away It blew me away.

I mean, that's like beyond. And this poor, this poor mother just had watched her husband just got shot in the head next to her.

Out of nowhere. While they're sleeping. She must have been in shock forever.

And then your eight-year-old, that happens while you're there and you can't stop.

That's what really got me. Well, what can you do?

Is this poor mother. Couldn't stop that.

And that's like... I don't know how you get by after that.

I really don't. I think... And I almost think...

And maybe he's not this smart, to be honest.

But it's like there's somewhere in his brain thinking I'm leaving these people worse off than if I killed them. no I think like somewhere he's probably sitting there being like this is worse so I'm gonna leave you alive I think he was that evil Right?

I think it's like, that's what I think. I think he was that evil that he wasn't just going, oh, well, I'm powerful and I can do this.

I think he was going, no, no. I'm literally leaving you with the worst fucking possible life I possibly can.

So he's even worse. Because he would be doing them a favor to kill them at that point.

Yeah. Like, at that point, as that mother, I would be like, honestly, shoot me in the face.

Like, that would... How do you ever... So it's like that kind of thing.

That's what I mean, man. He is beyond. He's so gross.

Like so gross. Beyond gross. And... If you thought that was crazy, he's not done that night.

But that was the worst. That's the worst.

Okay. Yeah. I would say that that's definitely, that one stuck out to me as the worst.

Because I'm actually like in shock right now.

Like my brain is not saying a lot other than holy fuck.

That'll make you want to bomb. Well, that same night of July 20th.

Oh, he wasn't done? He wasn't done. He went to 68-year-old Maxon Kneading. and his 66-year-old wife Layla Ellen needing.

He went to their house. He brought a machete with him to this one.

What the fuck? Where do you get a machete, Richard?

He's literally, he is everything. What are you doing?

He's got everything. He hacks them both in bed with the machete and then shoots them both in the head.

And then he robs the home and chops them up more after death.

So he mutilates their bodies. So again, he has literally no fucking pattern.

Like you can't understand what's going on in his fucking brain.

Did he have any explanation when they caught him about like what the fuck was wrong with him?

He's evil. That's what he said. He said I'm evil.

Like he literally is like, I am working for the devil.

This is what I'm doing. That legitimately makes me believe that like, there is some crazy force out there that, like, yeah takes over people i feel like it's like a demon yes yes like it's a demonic thing because it's like he he literally attributes it to like i'm evil i'm working for evil And it's like, yeah, you are.

You are. Like, 100%. Like, he doesn't give any, no other explanation.

It's just I'm evil. That just gave me the fucking chills, dude.

Well, and at this point, obviously, he's done multiple in the same nights, everything like that.

So the media was going crazy. But he wasn't even named the Night Stalker yet. at this point they were calling him the walk-in killer that was like their one they'd landed on for a while the walk-in killer Well, at this point, gun sales shot up in the area.

People were sleeping with axes and tire irons next to their beds.

Fuck yeah. No windows were open, even though it was a super hot summer.

And fresh air is for dead people, so good on them.

Get an air conditioning. Even an air conditioning.

I'd be like, you know what? I'll just sleep in the sweltering heat.

It's fine. I don't want it. The LAPD was a fucking mess still.

They had no idea what was going on. Who worked for the LAPD back then?

August 6th. 36 year old Chris and 27 year old Virginia Peterson were sleeping in bed.

They were, he came into their house, he shot Virginia in the face, and then he shot Chris in the temple.

They fucking lived and fought him off. After being shot in the face?

He got shot in the face and he got shot in the fucking temple.

And he fucking bailed like a little bitch because these two people, after getting shot, I'm going to reiterate, in the face and in the temple.

Fought his ass. Like, not all heroes wear capes.

Did the bullet just not go all the way in?

Apparently. It couldn't have penetrated far into certain parts of their brain.

But they both lived and they were both able to give a description of him.

What a bunch of motherfucking badass mofo. craziness because like not only do you live through that which is like what are you but then you fight him to the point where he bails because you've like like you're working for a force like you are you're working for me like that one made me happy that was like a glimmer of good good things because i want them to be my brother from another mother right like i want to talk to them i want to be like you guys are Can we interview that?

Seriously, just be like, can you just talk to me about being a badass?

Like, wow. Well, now it was August 6th.

You know what, though? How the fuck do you ever fall asleep again?

Exactly. I would stay awake for the rest of my life.

I would just be drinking coffee at all. Like, just. mainlining espresso well and two days later because again he's on a tear August 8th 35 year old this one's sad too No, but they all are.

Yeah, it really is. They're all awful, but like some of them just hit you.

Um, I believe his name is Elias Aboath and his wife Sakina were sleeping in bed.

He was immediately shot in the head and killed like that.

His wife said that she was because she lived through this.

Oh, God. She was immediately punched in the face and thrown to the floor out of dead sleep.

So she heard the boom next to her. She was punched in the face and then thrown on the floor.

Like that's what you wake up to. He then threatened to kill her children if she didn't provide valuables because she had two children in the house.

He made her swear to Satan, per usual, because that's his thing now.

And he raped her several times. They had kids aged three years and two months.

They were unharmed. But this case is the one that finally gives him the Night Stalker name.

I don't know why it just happened to be.

And I did read something that said that the three-year-olds did walk in in the middle of it. and he tied the three-year-old up and put them in a different room.

Oh my god. So... I read a CBS Los Angeles article about this one, and her sons are like 30 now, obviously.

Does he remember? No. And her son said that their mother waited until they were older to tell them what happened to their father.

She originally told him that he died of cancer to protect their... I would... And...

One of them is quoted as saying, she is such a good mom.

She never wanted me to know about any of it.

She held all of it in until I was 16, one of them said.

I'm not joking you. I legitimately feel like I'm about to cry.

Like she didn't tell them anything. What a, oh my God.

Like what a mom. that is like because she knew there's no reason it's like she had to hold all that inside How do you fucking do that to somebody, dude?

And it's like, so what a... And she never remarried. like she said that like and she when she talked about her husband she was like he was such a good person such a good father like you're trying to make me cry Well just like it's like.

No that's horrible. Like he's just walking into these homes and just destroying.

I hope that every single day Richard Ramirez got like Sodomized, like, through his eyeballs.

Really? Seriously? With baby oil? Like...

Fuck you. Well, luckily he, it's like a great thing that he died in this awful way, but it's also like, he died at like 53.

I wish he had lived until he was like, I think 120 exactly fucked up every day exactly and it's like he really only had I think he had 23 years on death row which is a lot that's good Still, not enough.

I would like more. I just burped. Sorry, guys.

Excuse you. But no, Detective Frank Salerno.

I'm sorry. who is a fucking badass. You'll hear his name in other cases from here on out.

He's the one who nailed this case. He's fucking amazing.

And like we said last week, I believe we said he caught the Green River Killer too.

He said this case was literally enveloping his every second.

Like he said he could not. And he said his kids were coming to him.

He had young kids and were like, please catch the bad man, daddy.

And he was like, Literally, I could not think of anything else but getting this guy off the fucking streets.

Like, he's like a detective. He's a fucking detective.

This is like, I don't know, this is fucked up to say, but can you imagine living through... something like that like it would be like horrible we have a couple we have someone on our instagram that said they were growing up in los angeles around that time like That's fucking wild.

Like, I can't imagine. Like, Ma was... My mother was... in boston and was a young woman during the boston strangler stuff and she lived with a bunch of girls in an apartment where you could open the apartment with a credit card yeah And I was like, Ma, how the fuck did you sleep?

Like, that blew my mind. Crazy shit has happened to Mom.

But enough about my amazing mother. Yes.

So he's the one, Frank Salerno is the one who connected the Evia footprints and all the pentagram symbols and stuff.

He started connecting them all and saying, this is one guy.

Thank you. you Frank So he actually went down himself to places like Skid Row and would match footprints to his Avia footprints.

He would talk to people on Skid Row. He would get descriptions.

He was matching shit. Like he was putting himself in that shit.

Yes. LAPD couldn't manage to fucking figure out what the hell was going on, and this guy's like in there talking to people on Skid Row.

Their thumbs were inserted heavily into their assholes.

Like, thank God for Detective Frank Salerno.

So after this last case, he called a press conference and he told everyone that there was one serial killer, that this was one and that he was operating around the area and that he had killed almost a dozen people by this time.

He literally told everyone, buy weapons, lock your doors, and try to stay safe.

Like, he was literally on a press conference saying...

Guys, buy fucking weapons and lock your doors.

Can you imagine seeing that? I would be like, I'm moving.

No, I would probably move. I'm not kidding.

I couldn't. And obviously a lot of people couldn't just pick up and move.

I would go on vacation. We say that, but it's like... No, I would try to go somewhere.

But it's like, can you imagine not having the option?

Well, yeah, I right now would never have the option.

It's like I can't even imagine. So that's terrifying.

Now, his description was being passed around everywhere and there were sketches.

These sketches are so bad. Oh, God. First of all, they get him with gray hair, which I'm not...

I have no idea what that's about. Maybe because it was, like, the middle of the night.

And they had him with, like, bulging eyes.

It just... I'm gonna post him on the Instagram because... They were like, let's make him look as evil as he sounds.

If we thought that, like... the ted bundy ones were bad they're those ones were so accurate compared to this one it's so bad So now he knows that the heat is on him because he's starting to see that they're zeroing in and that they're connecting all these things.

So he knows L.A. is bananas right now for him, so he leaves town for San Francisco.

For San Francisco. Wake up, San Francisco.

We have two very different thoughts on that.

So, while he's in San Fran, he's like, I'm not gonna... This is my vacation time.

He breaks into the home of Peter and Barbara Pan.

Yes, Peter Pan. Can he just take a vacation?

No. He killed 66-year-old Peter Pan with a gunshot to the temple with that .25 caliber handgun.

62 year old Barbara Pan was beaten viciously and raped before being shot in the head and left for dead.

Oh my god. I couldn't find accurately. I'm pretty sure she lived.

So he then drew a pentagram and wrote the words Jack the Knife on the wall in lipstick.

What does that even mean? Jack the Knife is from a Judas Priest song, so I don't know.

It goes back a lot further than that, but I'm assuming it's...

Maybe he was listening to them. Yeah, I'm sure he was listening to Judas Priest.

He was making all these bands look horrible.

Yeah, he was giving them bad press. He was really taking their record sales down.

Now, this is when the media finally revealed that it via shoe print evidence.

And Ramirez was obviously very into watching the coverage of his crimes.

Of course. Because he thought he was the titties.

And so he saw this and he immediately threw those sneakers over the side of the Golden Gate Bridge that night.

Wow. Yeah. So then he returns back to L.A.

Now, when he goes to L.A. Yeah, probably.

He goes back to L.A. He's probably getting like a no-name.

He like ran to pay less. Yeah, he's just getting like a Vida.

It's like the generic version of a Vida.

Uh, so he returned back to LA and when he got there, he attempted to break into James Romero's home.

And I think his family had just returned from vacation.

Now, his 13-year-old son happened to be awake at the time.

Oh, God. And he alerted his parents that some creep ass was prowling around the house.

Because he could hear him. He was like, I hear somebody outside of the fucking house.

That's terrifying. James scared Richard off.

How? I think he ran outside of the house with like a fucking gun and was like, get out of my house.

Scared him off, but he was able to see the vehicle he left in and got a partial plate.

So he thought this guy was just because he just thought it was a burglary attempt.

So he called the police and gave that. I'm sorry, was this in San Francisco?

No, this was in LA. But I think he was just like, I don't know if it wasn't that late or if he just was like...

He figured he probably would have scared off this crazy motherfucker.

But he called the police and gave them the description of the car and the partial plate.

Whoa. So I believe it was the same night there was an engaged couple, 30-year-old Bill Carnes and 29-year-old Inez Erickson.

He broke into their house. He shot Bill three times in the head immediately.

Then he said to the woman, quote, you know who I am, don't you?

I'm the one they are writing about in the newspapers and on TV.

Then he made her swear to Satan and beat her.

He tied her up with neckties. He sodomized her while making her say she loves Satan.

What? He didn't kill her. And then he said, tell him the Night Stalker was here as he left.

Can you imagine? All you know about this dude, all you've been warned, and that dude walks out and is like, tell him the Night Stalker was here. throw up all over myself like knowing what he's capable of and what he's already done to you for the rest of my life Well, Bill survived.

No way. After being shot three times in the head?

Yep. Yes, Bill. He survived. And Inez could give a detailed description of Richard Ramirez.

Yes, you know what? Go fuck yourself. So police now had the descriptions that they were getting in from everybody.

And they were able to take a, what's it called?

Casing? Footprints casing? What is it? Like a mold?

Yeah, mold. Why couldn't I think of that word?

I was like, is it that simple? I was like, a fucking case?

What is it? A mold. I'm like making a weird gesture with my hand.

Somehow you got that. A mold of the footprint that was found at the Romero house.

Oh, okay. And I think they were able to match it at least with the size.

Are we nearing the end? Because this is the best.

We are. It's getting really good. So then they found his stolen car abandoned, the one that he fled in, and the one that they'd already gotten a description of and a partial plate from James Romero.

And they dusted it for fingerprints. He had wiped it clean except for one partial print on the rearview mirror. boom, positively identified as Richard Ramirez.

Fuck yeah. He had been arrested before on drug charges and, like, traffic violations and shit.

Okay. So they already had him. There was a mugshot there.

So they already had his fingerprints. So that's why he was so careful about leaving fingerprints because he knew he was in the system.

Wow. Well, boom, he came up. So now one night during this whole thing, Remember his friend Donna Myers?

Yeah, I do. Who he lived with on and off.

Who you said that you weren't going to say she was a shitbag.

Yeah. Maybe she was. Because she did help.

I mean, I think I'm more, I was being like judgy about her lifestyle.

You know, people live their lives. So, I mean, I'm not going to judge.

But they were sitting, this was his friend in LA, they were sitting watching TV together one night and a police composite flashed on.

This was before they had his mugshot. Can you imagine sitting next to the Night Stalker and being like, hey, I think you're the Night Stalker.

The police composite sketch flashed onto the screen and he said, hey, Donna.

Do you think I'm the Night Stalker? And if she remembers saying, hell no, Rick, you ain't got enough guts to kill anybody.

And she was like, she thought it was just a joke, but she said he wouldn't leave it alone.

So he said, aren't you afraid of being alone with me in the house?

I'd be like, now I am. And he asked, and then he said, what would Donna, what would you do if you broke into a home and found out people were home?

Would you kill them or what would you do?

And she was like, I just wouldn't break into anybody's home.

And she said he just thought. He was having a, like, he's a strange guy.

He has a weird sense of humor. He's just like being weird.

So she's like, we were on drugs. Now, Thursday, August 29th, Donna Meyer's daughter went to the police with jewelry. which was a pearl ring and a gold bracelet, and she said she got them from a man named Rick, who sometimes stayed with her mother.

By the next day, Donna Myers had given the police Ramirez's name.

So she helped. Okay. Because she all of a sudden was like, you know what?

There's something fishy here. So they were starting to close in.

I know what happens and I'm on the edge of my seat.

Police connected it all. They have the mugshot of Ramirez taken eight months earlier.

So they're just trying to find out where he is now exactly so this was after the stolen vehicle and the prints were found along with the descriptions, the mugshot, they have everything.

Now they're literally just being like, okay, guys, we have them.

We just got to find them. So the police decided to release the mugshot to everybody.

It was broadcast on TV news shows, Facebook. friday evening it appeared in la newspapers saturday morning and during a press conference they stated we know who you are now and soon everyone else will There will be no place for you to hide.

And there wasn't. August 30th. Ramirez took a bus to Tucson, Arizona to visit his brother.

Now at this point, they had just released all this shit the night before.

He had no fucking clue that his mugshot was plastered all over fucking Los Angeles.

No idea. And, like, gets on a bus. He had... Now, he didn't end up seeing his brother in Tucson...

So he returned back to LA early in the morning on August 31st.

Again. No idea what he's returning to. So police were actually staking out the bus terminal he came through, but he walked right past them.

Dude, get your thumb out of your bum. Like, come on, guys.

Like, jeez. So still having no idea that he's plastered everywhere, Ramirez just stops at a convenience store and grabs a copy of La Opinion. newspaper that morning and sees his photo on the front page as well as several other periodicals along the shelf so does he run the fuck out So obviously he starts to fucking panic.

And then shit really gets ratcheted up because some two old ladies in the store... were looking at the newspaper, looked up, saw him, and started screaming and pointing at him, El Matador, which means the killer.

It means the killer. So they were all screaming, El Matador, El Matador.

Yes, this is my favorite. He starts fucking... No, he's wearing a black Jack Daniels t-shirt and black jeans.

He set off on a four-mile run through LA, dodging through alleys, backyards, and he stopped several times to try to fucking carjack people.

Wow. Because he just panicked. So he keeps running.

He reaches East Hubbard Street where he makes the really bad mistake. of trying to steal Festino Pinion's red Mustang coupe.

Now Pinion wrestled him to the fucking ground.

So he gets away from him. He races across the street and attacks a woman named Angelina de la Torre. who's 28 years old, she was leaving in her own car to buy birthday presents for her daughter.

And Angelina surrenders the keys and is like, fucking take it.

It was a Ford Granada. She was like, take it.

So she runs screaming for help. Now this guy named Jose Bergeron.

I think Bergeron. Sorry if I say that wrong.

Bergeron? He was 55 years old. He heard her screaming, saw this whole thing.

He promptly ran across the street and grappled with Ramirez.

Like no one's scared of this motherfucker.

Like, I'm going to take you. This community is a bunch of fucking bad ass.

Like, they are like, fuck you. This is my favorite thing that's ever happened.

Because they say, like, you terrorized our community.

Like, we are one. Well, now, after... Jose is grappling with him.

Now Angelina's husband, the one whose car he just tried to steal and she ran away, He comes out, Manuel de la Torre, 32 years old.

He arrives with a steel rod that he has taken from his front gate.

Yeah. He smashes Ramirez on the head. Fuck yeah.

Then Ramirez keeps running with an entire fucking community chasing him down the street.

Like a parade. manuel was able to catch up with him and fucking beat him again with the metal wasn't there like kids and shit oh yeah everybody literally He caused him to fall against a fence.

When he fell, Jose's son, the guy who first was grappling with him, His sons, Jamie and Julio, arrived as well.

And he was literally getting the shit kicked out of him by an entire group of mob of people.

This is my favorite thing in the world. Now, they held him down and mercilessly beat him.

Good. A police officer was stated later saying if we hadn't got there, they would have killed him.

Which I'm glad that they got there and that he had to go to jail.

When the police officer came through the crowd to arrest him...

Richard Ramirez said to the police officer, Thank God you came.

Oh, you mean thank Satan, you dumb pussy asshole.

You mean Satan, you fucking dumbass? Like, thank God.

Oh, I'm sorry, you believe now? Talk about a fake...

Motherfucker. Oh, you're thanking God suddenly that you're alive?

That somebody spared you? Yeah, and you know what?

No one spared you, sweetie, because guess where you're going.

And honestly, knowing that he looked up at a police officer and said, Thank God you're here.

That's delicious. It's delicious. I wish that police officer kicked him in the face and was like, swear to Satan, bitch.

Well, there's actually pictures of him being led away from this and in the police car.

His head is fucking violently bleeding. like he looks like he got the shit the back of his shirt is black and you can see the blood stains on the back of his shirt so it's great I'll post some of those too.

They're great pictures. You want to fuck with people?

He'll fuck right back with you. This is literally my favorite way that a serial killer Like, no, you can't top that.

I feel like they should all be taught that way.

And later, the police said, they were like, we are so, like, the police.

Proud. I think maybe the police would feel like they'd have to be like, don't take vigilante justice.

No, do it. The police came out and we're like, like all the investigators were like, we are so proud of our community right now.

Like you guys are fucking. Because that's just not like.

Because he had terrified the community for over a year.

More than a year. So, when this whole news broke, Julian Ramirez, Richard's father... was bewildered by the things that people were saying his son had done.

And he was quoted as saying, in my heart, I can't believe he would have arrived at that.

But if the authorities there have proof, what can we do?

Yeah, Julian. You must have zero idea why your son could do something so fucking terrible, right?

Like, he didn't know. You definitely didn't abuse him.

You didn't allow his mother to breathe toxic fumes while pregnant with him.

You didn't let him hang out with his sociopathic cousin Mike.

You definitely didn't let him move in with his other sister's peeping Tom husband.

And then you didn't let him move to LA to live on Skid Row when he was 16.

Yeah, you have no idea why he could have turned out to be a bad guy, right?

Yeah, he's bewildered. How? We were so... Like, fuck you, Julian.

Thanks a lot, Julian. Like, I'm not saying it was totally his parents' fault, but I'm saying, like...

You played a hand. Regardless of what happened here, like, with him, it's like, you created a violent human being.

You sure did. Because you showed him violence.

So it's like, fuck you for being like, what? yeah he's a violent person that's crazy it's like i know i am you beat his mother and his siblings and him on the reg like fuck you julian That just pissed me off.

No, that makes me mad too. So, now an interesting thing is he called every woman he encountered a bitch during the attacks.

Because I'm sure that was... Probably, probably partly his father.

I'm sure his father said awful things to his mother while he was beating the shit out of her.

Yeah. And then also cousin Mike was teaching him not to give a shit about women.

So I'm sure that was put in there somewhere.

Now, because this was such a prominent thing that he said, when they had a lineup that included it with him for the survivors to pick him out, they had them all say, shut up, bitch. because they wanted them to be sure that that was the voice.

That's just a little interesting tidbit.

That is crazy. Now, his trial became like a shining moment for him because he loved the fucking attention.

Of course. Because he's a little bitch. He drew pentagrams on his hand and he shouted, Hail Satan, like out of nowhere. in the courtroom and then yeah and then there was and some of these pictures man are like beyond i'd be like do you He came into court with, like, aviator sunglasses on.

His hair all nicely fluffed out. nice suit on and he came in and was like leaning backwards smirking like laughing and then he turned to the like groupies that came because oh yeah What the fuck is wrong with you?

And it was like the same with Ted Mundy.

They would fucking come and sit behind him.

No, I have no problem saying what the fuck is wrong with you.

No, that kind of shit. It's like, what the, especially with Richard Ramirez.

And how disrespectful to the family and the people. that he killed.

He would turn around and like wink at them and smile at them and like I posted one where he was waving behind him.

With his fucking creepy ass He even had, they had to, like, do something with one of the jurors because he was, like, literally, like, seducing her across the room and she was, like, getting into it.

Also, Chica, he has halitosis. Exactly. So it's like, really?

Really? So... Like we said, he had a ton of groupies, but the luckiest lady of them all was Doreen Leoy.

She was like a magazine editor, like a freelance magazine editor, and people said she was a fucking...

Like she lived in a fantasy world and was like a recluse herself.

She wrote him upwards of 75 letters during his incarceration, and in 1988, he proposed to her. and on october 3rd 1996 they got married in san quentin state prison like what is wrong with you Now for a while, she claimed that she was going to commit suicide when he was executed.

But they ended up separating before that happened because weirdly enough, that marriage did not work out.

How do you propose to somebody when you're in prison?

I don't really know. Like, I have this licorice that I could maybe turn into a ring.

Would you like this licorice? So then, on September 20th, 1989, he was convicted of 13 counts of murder... five attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Jesus Christ. Now those are just the ones they could prove.

There was money more off, obviously. He was sentenced to die in California's gas chamber on November 7th, 1989. uh when he was brought out after this sentencing he smirked at the cameras and it's on tape yeah we'll like play a little clip of it And said, big deal.

Death always went with the territory. See you in Disneyland.

What the fuck? Yeah. The trial actually cost $1.8 million.

Holy shit. It was the most expensive in California's history until OJ surpassed it. in 19 what was it 96 that's wild yeah So while in, this is, this is really interesting actually.

While in jail in 1987 awaiting trial, he was actually in the same jail as Sean Penn.

Who was in there for reckless driving and punching an extra on the set of the movie like he's known for.

Because he's known for being like a hothead.

They saw each other around and shit, and after about a month, Ramirez asked a guard for Penn's autograph.

And Ramirez then wrote Penn a letter later saying, What the fuck?

Sean wrote back go fuck yourself quote you know Richard it's impossible to be incarcerated and not feel a certain kinship with your fellow inmates Well, Richard, I have done the impossible.

I feel absolutely no kinship with you. I hope gas descends upon you before sanity does.

Good. Which is an awesome response. That is awesome.

So I thought that was interesting. But unfortunately, on June 7th, 2013.

A day before my birthday. Yeah. He died at Marin General Hospital from liver failure due to complications from B-cell lymphoma.

He also had several complications from years of substance abuse and chronic Hep C viral infections.

So his body basically just shit the bed.

Wow. Now, at the end, he turned bright highlighter green because the reason for that is liver failure is often associated with jaundice.

And he had a very severe case. So there's a substance called bilirubin, and it builds up and causes jaundice.

It's created when hemoglobin, which is the part of the red blood cell that carries oxygen around your body... Mm-hmm.

It's when it breaks down. Normally that's flushed out when you pee or poop.

But when it builds up, then it turns you green because the substance itself is green.

So green is just self. full of shit. So he was so full of just dirty, fucking toxic Billy Rubin that he was dead.

Wow. So yeah. Richard... Ramirez and I think he was only like 53 years old I wish that he got he spent like 23 years on death row I like that Sean Penn wrote him and said that.

I love that. That's my favorite part, too.

That is a great one. So, yeah. That's the conclusion of Richard Ramirez.

That was a doozy. That was a doozy. I'm like, whew.

Yeah. Take a breath after that. I need a Captain Crunch Slurpee after that.

I know. Now I get to go in the morgue. I get to go to bed and I'm a little nervous.

I know. I think I'm gonna listen to a Bravo podcast.

I'm about to listen to Straight Up with Stassi.

I'm going to listen to Watch What Crappens.

Everyone listening to this podcast right now is probably like, who the fuck is Stassi? they're probably all like what just happened did she just die how did you both just turn like that totally the other way yeah sometimes you gotta have like I'm a Gemini.

Funny shit. I am not. I got two sides to me.

But I need to survive. Not all the Gemini haters are going to come out.

After talking about all this. Well, there's a lot of serial killers that are Geminis.

I know. A ton of serial killers are Geminis.

And Virgos, I think. It's like a split personality thing.

I got my eyes on you. So, yeah. So that's Richard Ramirez, The Night Stalker Part 2.

Hope you enjoyed it. What are we going to do next week?

How about we hit the lake bottom murders from Finland?

Yeah, because you just told me about that.

Yeah. I feel like that sounds like the Diet Love Pass sound.

Yeah, it's got like that vibe to it because it's like a mystery.

So it's a fun mystery from Finland. And I think it's like the biggest case from Finland.

Okay. For a while. So I think that's a fun one to do.

Camping stories are fucked up. Because it's fucked up.

For sure. Because all these are going to be fucked up.

But it's less intense. Than this one, it's more like... just spooky the die out love pass was intense in like a a different an exciting way yeah it's like conspiracy theory kind of shit.

So yeah, we'll do that. We'll do the lake bottom murders.

And so stay tuned for that next week. We'll record it on Sunday.

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[The Night Stalker: The Depravity and Downfall of Richard Ramirez (Part 2)]-[Episode 15: Richard “Stanky Chops” Ramirez AKA The Nightstalker Part 2]

📋 Summary

The Night Stalker: The Depravity and Downfall of Richard Ramirez

A Pattern of Unrelenting Violence

The Depths of Depravity

Community Resilience and the LAPD's Failure

The Final Capture

Legal Consequences and Legacy

🎯Key Sentences

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