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Hey, weirdos. I'm Alayna. I'm Ash. And this is a bonus. morbid episode.
A bonus morbid episode. Because there was some breaking news.
Breaking news. I know you guys saw it because y'all are on top of your shit.
And I woke up to like $47. dms when this happened which we love yes thank goodness for you guys so we could just be like breaking news That's exactly what I was like.
Yeah, that's exactly what I did every time I saw a message.
Well, also, this breaking news makes me question whether or not i'm like a very strong witch and you're like a very strong witch yeah you better include me into that yeah like did we just do this we did i don't know I said on Twitter, I take full, like, we take full responsibility for this dick cheese's downfall.
I mean... Yeah, so where's my crown? Where is it at?
It's crazy. If you have no idea what we're talking about, Chad Daybell has been arrested because...
On Tuesday, June 9th, police confirmed after digging up Chad Daybell's property that they found two sets of remains.
And they confirmed that those remains were the remains of children.
And at first... everybody's like, this has to be Lori Vallow's kids.
It has to be. And we were saying the same thing, because for how long we've been talking about this, we've both been saying... there's no way that they're alive no i hoped like really really hoped and prayed that they were in a bunker somewhere but obviously in the back of your head you know that Yeah.
Homegirl is evil as fuck, and she has dead eyes, and so does he, so they killed those kids.
Yeah, she met her match in Chad Debo. They are both evil fucks. and i not one shred of me believed that those kids were alive not one like i was trying to but i was like no like no part of me Any crime case where something like this happens, you just know that it's so rare.
Right, exactly. And this one just had a stinky feeling about it, and I was like...
Something bad happened here. Well, at first, they did not confirm whether or not that the remains were those of the children, and the autopsy results were still pending.
But on Wednesday, June 10th, officials did announce that Chade, Chade, That's what I should call him.
We should call him Chade. That Chade was me.
That dumbass Chade. Shit. Chad was being charged with two felony counts of destruction, altercation, or concealment of evidence.
And... Okay, JJ's grandma did come out and say that at least one set of those remains was of JJ.
Oh, that hurt my heart. I think you mean alteration, right? evidence yep i'm done thank you for a second i was like wait altercation of evidence that's hilarious altercation of evidence you know No, and hearing that it was JJ first, like, obviously it's sad for both of them, but it was just, like...
JJ's, like, so young. Right. Like, they go so young.
We don't even know if he was seven or eight, because it's like, this happened right before his birthday, so it's like, did he get to...
I mean, obviously, a true baby, you know, a true baby.
And he was autistic and he was just the cutest, like and not for nothing.
He wasn't Lori's kid. Yeah, that infuriates me.
Like, why did you adopt a child if you didn't want the child?
Exactly. Or you were going to claim that he was fucking possessed by zombies.
Which doesn't even make any sense. It's tragic either way, like, with JJ and Tylee.
Yeah. But, like, JJ, you're just like, ugh.
Like, he wasn't even, like... It was, like, the course of, like, everything going wrong.
Yeah. And then as soon as this came out, when all of a sudden they were saying they found two bodies, they were definitely kids. and everybody was waiting on pins and needles to see if even one of them was one of the kids.
Right. It was still for a moment when we were like, wait, what if it's not Tylee and JJ?
And it's like, so who the fuck are these kids?
Like, for a second, I was like, if they're not Tylee and JJ, this just... opened up a whole other.
And in my mind, because I remember talking to you about that since it was like four days ago.
I remember. I remember. Well, it wouldn't have even been that shocking just because of the wake of death left by Chad and Lori.
Yeah, the destruction that they have both left in their path is unfathomable.
So honestly, if there was two other bodies of people we didn't even hear about before, it would be like, whoa, but it wouldn't be shocking.
It would just be like, yep, that's Chad and Lori.
Yep, makes sense. Well, I know a lot of people are wondering different things about why it took so long for his property to get searched.
Yeah, that was everyone's first question.
So I have a theory, and do you have a theory?
Yeah, I think we have the same theory about this, actually.
So I think, because we had mentioned that in part two, Tammy's body had been exhumed and they were doing an autopsy because an autopsy had not been done on this case.
Yeah. So. I think they found something in the toxicology or on the autopsy to prove, obviously, that she had been murdered or like foul play was involved.
And that's why they were able to get the search warrant.
Yeah, I think it's definitely because toxicology takes a long time to get back. right and sometimes it can delay shit and i think they were waiting for that i think something came through on that which i'm i'm honestly hoping at this point just for closure's sake Because I'm sure her family's wondering what the hell happened.
And obviously it's not going to be great if you find out that he murdered her or poisoned her in some way, but it would at least be some kind of answer.
Right. And I think that definitely played a role in it and I think also that Laurie might be playing her own fucking game here.
And I wonder if she came forward and was like, I'll talk or I'll, you know, some kind of bargain is happening, I think.
Yeah. I would not be surprised if she was like, you know what, like, but then again, I don't know if they're going to turn against each other because according to them, the world is ending in like a month, so.
Yeah. Because if you fucking see her, she's just, like, smiling in the courtroom.
Oh, yeah. Like, constantly just, like, la la la like doesn't seem to give a fuck no I think she's just an evil son of a bitch I really do I think they both are And I think it's like the they think the world is going to end on July 22nd.
Is that what it was? Yeah. And then they confirmed they only confirmed that it was.
Definitely Tylee and JJ. When was it? It was yesterday.
It was the 13th. I thought so. I thought it was like literally within hours of right now.
And I did see that and they haven't gone any further, and I don't think they will because both of them are under 18 years old.
But I did see that one of them was hidden in a very shocking way.
Like, concealed in a very shocking way? Yeah.
That... And that's what makes... I'm like, was there a ritual that went into this?
Was... was were more people involved i mean i mean because if you remember melanie's ex-husband yeah who was fucking shot out by probably alex who is also dead now, which is, like, connect those dots really quick.
Seriously. I mean, he thought that this was a cult, and he said people were dropping, like, flies, so... Yeah, and I think...
There's going to be a few ways that Laurie is going to play this.
I think that options of how she's going to play this.
One, she's either gonna maintain this, like, cult, like, crazy... I thought the world was ending. religious thing where she's like, I thought the kids were demons and we had to kill them.
And that's fine. Right. Everybody. And she's going to just be like, yeah, sure.
That makes sense. Yeah, that's totally fine.
And she's going to try to play that whole thing or. she's gonna flip and she's gonna say chad did it he's there i was feared for my life she's gonna play that whole bullshit card Where she didn't protect her own fucking kids because she's going to say she feared for her life.
Yeah, I don't buy that. It's like, I don't give a shit if you fear for your... Like...
Take care of your kids. You looked like you were having a pretty good time in Hawaii, so it didn't look like you were too scared there.
If she plays that card, it's not going to work. because then they ran off to Hawaii and had a good time.
So it's like everybody knows you're not scared of them.
Get out of here. And she's either going to do that thing and she's going to say, or she's going to play the, you know what, he brainwashed me.
Mm-hmm. He got me into this crazy religion where he convinced me my children the only way to save their souls before the end times on July 22nd. was to kill them and it was done very like with mercy and you know i doubt it And she's going to do that whole thing.
Or she's going to say, I wasn't, you know, he did it.
I didn't do it. I had no part in it. I don't know what happened.
But he convinced me it had to happen. And she's going to say, and I've been sitting here and, you know, I've had a come to God moment.
And now I know that that was wrong. You know, she's like, I actually met a, I'm a God messenger, but I was dealing with the wrong God.
I was dealing with the wrong thing. There's so many ways that she could play this.
Yeah. I don't know if she's going to do any of those things or if she's just going to go...
No. We both believe that demons were, you know, they were zombies.
And we had to kill them. Like, she might just straight up stick to her story.
Because I wonder if they're going to stick with each other.
I feel like I'll almost be more mad if she doesn't stick to it.
I know, because now it's like... I mean, I'm pissed either way.
But it's like if she starts turning if she starts turning around and pulling that whole I was brainwashed.
Yeah. Then it's like really go fuck yourself.
That's going to piss me off because I'm going to be like Elizabeth. bitch no not one person believes that you are a victim here so you can go fuck yourself And that's what's going to bother me if she starts playing that victim card.
Do you think because you have a lot more knowledge of this than I do when they, well, they release what happened, like how they were killed because they're under.
18? I don't know, because sometimes, you know, these things get leaked sometimes, too, and then...
I it's really just a matter of I think it's going to have to do with the investigation.
And this is such a high profile case. So I do think people are going to like demand to know.
People are going to want to know for sure.
And I think it will get somehow, even if it's not released, I think somehow leaks to the media will happen.
Yeah, I feel like somehow we're going to find out what happened.
I want to know what happened because we've all just followed it for so long.
It's at this point. I just need the cap on.
Yeah. On it. It's like, do you remember how like, I think there was like a People magazine or like Us Weekly when JonBenet Everything was going on with her and they called her like America's child.
Yeah. I almost feel like these are like America's. children they started to become America's children because everybody was everybody held I saw so many people yeah after we posted our episode be like I'm still holding out hope that they're in a bunker they're in some crazy doomsday bunker somewhere and that sucks but like we could find them and we could save them like that's I saw so many people with that and maybe I'm just like a jaded fuck And maybe I've been- I think you are.
I think I've just been like reading true crime too long and maybe my job has also jaded me a little bit.
Well, and I think you're also just a very realistic person.
And I think... I had no hope. I mean, I wanted to.
I wanted to hope. Of course, but... There's just a difference between reality and what the facts are painting for you as a picture.
Yeah, exactly. And there's certain scenarios where you can go...
You know what? Maybe. I feel like there's a possibility that she's going to be alive somewhere or they're going to be alive somewhere and...
This just wasn't one of those. Just the way that they were acting and the way that Laurie was... telling certain people that her children were dead or telling certain people that she didn't have kids.
Like making up different stories. Or saying they were at a friend's house.
They were here. They were there. To me, it just seemed like.
They're at the neighbor's house. It's just like.
She's not planning on them coming back. Like that was my, she was telling people like, they're gone.
Kids are not here. I don't have kids. Yeah.
Like with the land. Yeah, exactly. And that's what made me feel like, oh, she's not planning on introducing them into the picture again.
No, definitely not. Well, I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds and just to wrap this up, I want to read a quick statement from Kay, Larry, and Colby, who was the older brother of JJ and Tylee.
Yes, and the grandparents. Yes, and the grandparents.
So we are filled with unfathomable sadness that these two bright stars were stolen from us and only hope that they died without pain or suffering.
We own we have only just been told of the loss of our loved ones and need time to process that.
That one part of it where they say we can only hope they died without suffering.
Can you imagine having to hang on to that thread?
Well, and I'm sure that you just go over every horrible scenario in your mind just on fucking replay.
Oh, for sure. Because... Especially when it's a kid like this and when it's like... They're probably sitting there and this by no means...
I'm not indicting them of this. No, I know what you're saying.
They're probably thinking in their head, like, I wasn't there to protect them.
Right, exactly. You know, because when you feel like a responsibility to a child, if something bad happens... Especially for Kay and Larry when it comes to JJ, because...
Lori wasn't even blood related to JJ. Like that... I know I keep saying it, but that wasn't her kid.
Yeah. And it's like... and of course like adoption you it's a family that's your child but in this case that's not the case Like, I think a case can be made that this was by no means an actual family.
Absolutely not. She was obviously a fucking demon.
A diamond. A diamond. And she, you know, was not mothering that child the way that he was.
Well, and I really hope that something comes out too where she... is held responsible for the death of Charles.
Yeah. You know? And then it's like, what the fuck happened to Alex?
I want to know what happened to Alex over there.
And then what the fuck happened to Tammy?
I almost wonder if Alex's shit was self-inflicted somehow.
Yeah. i just need to know because i think he knew he was gone he either knew that he was going down and was like i'm not going to jail again because remember he had gone to jail yeah Or Lori was like, he's a little cuckoo, so I'm not gonna... make him sing because yeah she thought that she was getting away with this yeah because i could see her all i mean this she's wily And I could see her.
Wily as fuck. She's wily as fuck. So I could see her being like, I can't trust this guy because he's- AKA my brother.
He's a little bit- He's a little bit off and I'm afraid he's going to say something that I don't want him to say.
So we need to take care of it. Yep. And then sending Chad to do her bidding or doing it herself.
Well, and I hope that somehow Melanie, the niece, she knows a lot more than she's saying, like I said last time.
Oh, yeah. Go fuck yourself. What do you know?
Because you know. And if you're sitting there holding on to this, then your day of reckoning will come.
And for her husband. to stay with her. His ex-wife must be like...
Oh, I would be losing it. I'd be like, you're not seeing your kids.
I don't know anybody who thinks that that niece doesn't know something.
No. And she's dangerous. Yeah. So for her to sit there and pretend she done it, it's like, all right.
But you know what? It's going to come back around to you.
Karma's a bitch, Melanie. Yeah, there's no way that's going to stay hidden forever.
Right. everything done in the dark will eventually come to light i like that that was so deep right i'm saying And what's interesting too, just like as final thoughts, is like Ash said, Chad Daybell has not been charged with murder.
No. Yet. Right, that's the thing. That's interesting because now we have bodies.
We have identifications of bodies. We have autopsies on bodies.
So it's like... What are we waiting for?
Like, why don't we have... That's interesting.
Well, I think maybe it's just some kind of formality because his bond, the bond for his... charges would be like ten thousand dollars or something around that.
But his bond was set at a million dollars.
Yeah. So in there, he's a flight risk, they're saying.
Yeah, because they're definitely going to up it.
It's just interesting that it hasn't come out yet.
Just a matter of time. Murder. Oh, 100%.
And I want to hear a first degree on Lori, too.
She hasn't been charged with first degree murder yet, either.
And I wonder, I wonder if the way this is all going to shake out.
And that's why I think she might distance herself a little bit because I wonder if she's going to get a lot less time.
But why, though? Because I think she's going to make a deal.
She's going to sing about a few things on him.
Or maybe Sherry did make a deal, and that's why his property was searched.
Exactly. And I think she either made one, she's going to make one, they're talking about making one.
There's a deal in the works. Or she's going to start distancing herself from him a little bit.
This is what I think. Yeah. I'm like, who the fuck knows?
This lady's crazy. Right. Right. But and then he'll get the full brunt of it because she'll probably put it on him, too, especially as a quote unquote mother.
She won't place herself in the killing position.
She will say, I would be very shocked if I hear that Laurie didn't. point at shad and say he did it he's the one who did the blow or whatever it was right And then he'll get the full murder charge and the murder sentence and she'll get something much less.
And it'll be like a Carla Homolka situation where she'll end up getting out. and live in her life and hopefully she'll just be harassed forever oh i think that if she got i don't know where she would go if she got let out other than in directly into the witness protection program yeah Or directly into the bowels of hell.
Yeah, the flaming fucking pits. Well... I don't know if I said this already, but Chad's preliminary hearing is going to be set for July 1st.
So I think a lot is going to come out in the coming weeks.
Oh yeah. and we'll be we'll be paying attention and we'll try to update as we can because i mean if we can throw a little i know this is like a short episode but like if we can throw a little short episode here and there, just update you on things.
We'll try to do that. Here it is. Here it is, guys.
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We're missing our tails to lighten it all up.
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