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Police say the only common threat in the killings is the time of day.
The Night Stalker apparently picks his victims at random entering their homes after dark through unlocked doors.
I'm afraid for everybody, elderly, young, everybody.
I've been very apprehensive. I keep my doors locked and my guns loaded.
Hey weirdos, I'm the Knight. And I'm a stalker.
And this is Morbid. Whoop, whoop-titty-whoop-poop.
Listen to those crickets. Guess where we are?
We're outside again. Because we're covering the Night Stalker.
So we wanted to be in the night. Without a stalker.
Hopefully. Except I think I might have heard a coyote making like yelping noises down the street.
Well, that's all right. And we're surrounded by bugs.
But other than that. Yeah. I really didn't want to be outside, but it's Elena's world and we're all just living in it.
That's right. That's right. Yeah. I'm glad you've recognized that.
You're welcome. No, I'm just kidding. She's Grant.
It feels like fall. So I'm just embracing it.
Oh my god, it really does. We're wearing sweatshirts.
We're comfortable. I wish I wasn't wearing shorts, though.
That's true. I can understand that. I'm wearing nice, comfortable sweatpants.
I'm wearing jorts. Because that's what broadcasting is all about.
I know. I was going to wear sweatpants, but I thought we were going to be in the pod lab and it's normally a little more warm in there.
It's like 400 degrees in there at all times.
Yeah. So yeah, let us know if these crickets are annoying the shit out of you and we won't do this again.
Or you could just get over it. No, I'm just kidding.
But since you guys seemed to dig us recording outside last time for our woods episode...
Yeah, people thought that was great. Yeah, and we're, you know, it goes with the theme this week again, so we're going with it.
I hope I don't get covered in mosquito bites this time, though.
Yeah, I didn't get any mosquito bites. Oh my gosh.
So you must be sweeter than I am. Maybe.
Last time, I was like... Covered. Oh my god, I hope a bug doesn't land on the microphone.
It'll be like... Because we bought our new microphone, y'all.
Yay! I'm kind of sad that this microphone picks up anything because I was drinking a Captain Crunch Slurpee and now I feel like I can't drink it anymore.
It's true. It's amazing. It sounds gross, but it is amazing.
I just love that you handed me it to try it, and she just hands me it and goes, I'm trash.
Well, because I bought an extra large Slurpee at 7-Eleven on my way here.
I loved it. I was like, here, try this. I'm trash.
Here, try this. I'm trash. I am. Sorry, I accept it.
I love you. And then I gave it to John.
I was like, try this. What trash cereal does this taste like?
Try that right quick. He was like, Captain Crunch isn't a trash cereal.
It's true, he got very offended by that.
He was like, that is not a trash cereal.
Also, I think we're going to try and get a P.O. box soon.
We are, so that we can send you things without sending you our actual addresses, because love you.
But I don't know if you're a murderer. But you know.
Just kidding. I know none of y'all are murderers.
I hope. But also, you know, you guys can write to us if you want to because good old-fashioned snail mail is still pretty awesome.
Yeah, I want that. I love snail mail. We'll write you back.
Yeah, we'll write you back. So you know.
We'll get a P.O. box. We'll let you know what it is.
And then you can write us shit. And yeah.
I don't know if there's a lot of true crime news.
Did you hear about the guy that killed his pregnant wife, I think?
Oh, that's what I was literally just thinking about.
And then two other little girls? Yeah, it's horrific.
He... went on like several press conferences being like i just want them to come home they're my world and it's like you're a piece of shit you fucking kill And I'm pretty sure it was a two-year-old and a four-year-old.
Yeah, they were like babies. And then she was pregnant, right?
She was pregnant. Yeah. How do you do that?
Like, I just don't understand how you... watch somebody walk down the aisle towards you and exchange, like, beautiful vows and, like, create three lives together and then just destroy all of them.
And then murder them. How you murder your own children, or any children, for that matter.
Any children, but your own flesh and blood.
Like, I can't even get mad at my girls. Like, I get, like, if I have to, like, reprimand them, like, be like, do not do that and have to use, like, a stern voice, I immediately feel bad afterwards.
I told Isla that she couldn't have another cookie last week and it destroyed me for like a couple hours.
Because you're like, I just want to make you happy.
I just want to give you another wafer. And it's like, I can't imagine.
And that was their dad. Like, that was their dad.
Okay, I can't. I know, I can't even think about it.
No, I can't. Like, John and I brought up the article when we were reading it the other night, and John said it.
He was like, I can't even go into this. Because you just think about it.
Yeah, it's just too much. It's so horrible.
And unfortunately, tonight we are doing, obviously, Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, and...
Fair warning, everybody. It's a real bad guy.
Was that a coyote? Did you hear that? I did, but I think...
I think it was another case of us hearing a car.
Oh, shit. I think it was like a... Misdiagnosing a coyote scream.
I mean, coyotes don't scream. Can you imagine if coyotes just walked through the woods being like, whoop!
I'd be like, girl, you are scary. I'd be like, you're really not scary.
You're kind of funny. Whop. Whop. What if it just said, I'm a coyote.
I'm a coyote. That'd be awesome. I'd be like, hey, girl.
But what I was saying was... This is a very, very heavy one.
Richard Ramirez is literally... He did the damn thing.
By far, he is the worst. Yeah. He's way up there.
When you really get down to the nitty gritty, he is the worst.
And I honestly didn't think that before, because I had read a lot about him.
And I knew a lot about him, and I thought he was awful anyways.
He was, like, top three anyway before. But once I really dove deeper into him...
He's the worst. He's so gross. Like, by far.
Because the other thing is, he's got a pretty high number.
I mean, he has... Well, just killings. Yeah, just killings.
And then on top of it... He had rapes, he had assaults, he had... I mean, he was a real piece of shit.
Like, he molested kids. He killed kids. That's so fucking gross.
He kidnapped kids. He did awful shit to kids.
That makes me so sad. He had no M.O., really.
His only M.O. was breaking in in the middle of the night.
That was it. Besides that, he had nothing.
That was a pattern. So he was completely unpredictable.
He was totally disorganized. Which is almost scarier.
Oh, it is. Because, like... Like, I think of Ted Bundy, Ted Bundy's a fucking monster.
And he has an insanely high number. But he was an organized serial killer, so he had a pattern, he had an M.O.
You knew what to expect. He planned his shit out, which is scary and horrifying, but like...
Richard Ramirez was all over the goddamn map.
And he was just like insatiable. And it's like, He had no line.
Oh, no line. There was no line for him. I don't know if there was a line for Ted Bundy.
I mean, he... Crossed many lines as well.
Yeah, handsome kids. Richard Ramirez really had no line.
Like, none. So without further ado... So without further ado... Here we go.
The Night Stalker. Ooh, something just bit my foot.
It was me. Oh, sorry. Weird. Keep it weird.
Sorry about it. So basically he was the most evil son of a bitch walking the earth at the time in recent memory.
Phenomenal. Like we can pretty much say that.
He's a fucking monster. So he's known to have killed 16 people in 14 months.
Whoa. Back in 1984 to 1985. 1985 was the year I was born.
Yeah. At the end of 85. So when he was caught, I wasn't born yet.
But, whatever. That's good. Yeah. So that's good.
But he also raped and injured a ton more in the process.
And he was suspected in at least four more murders.
So they haven't even... Nailed those, and he's dead.
He's dead now, spoiler alert. But he spent time in jail, so he got his.
And he died of, like, blood cancer. Blood cancer?
I didn't even know that was a thing. Oh, yeah. and apparently at the end and we'll get into this obviously because i should mention now this is going to be a two-parter because there's just so much Yeah, there's a lot.
And we don't want to overwhelm you with a four-hour episode of just mayhem and murder.
Legit. So... At the end, apparently his skin turned highlighter green.
Oh yeah, I've heard that. That's kind of fun. yikes um and like we said he had like no mo he used guns he used knives he would use things usually he didn't bring things with him Unless it was a gun, or he would bring weird thumb cuffs every once in a while.
Thumb cuffs? Yeah. They're used in, like... war situations, like military situations a lot.
That's freaky. Yeah, it's weird. It's more like a... Like the thing that you stick your hands into?
Like that? Almost like that, but they're like actual cuffs.
Yeah, it's so weird. I'll have to find a picture.
But he had other media names before he was dubbed the Night Stalker, which the Night Stalker is a great serial name.
Oh yeah. Like, cereal names. I mean, I knew what you were talking about.
It's the best breakfast cereal. It's a trash cereal.
That is a trash cereal. No, it's a really good serial killer name.
But his other names before he got that one included the Valley Intruder, the Midnight Stalker, which was close.
Thank you. The walk-in killer. That sounds like the walk-in freezer.
This one's by far the worst. The screen door intruder.
No, like someone got fired after coming up with that.
It was from the LA Times. The screen tour intruder.
Like, can you imagine that being the one that, like, we were, like, stuck with?
I am screamed or intruded. I am screamed.
That's what you go to prison with? You tell everyone you know that you were just visited by the screen door intruder.
Yikes. So he was definitely classified as a disorganized serial killer, like we were saying, completely unlike Bundy.
He didn't plan. He would literally walk in places at random.
He did not have a victim profile. He didn't watch his victims.
Like, he walked into a house, had no idea what was going on in there.
And sometimes there were men and he would just, his thing was to take out the man as fast as possible so that he could focus on the woman.
Ugh. Yeah. So he was kind of like the Golden State Killer in that sense.
Right. He made sure the man was... securely tied up yeah like the threat was taking like neutralized before he went and did his thing he was less organized than the golden state killer though way less organized So, young Richard Ramirez was born Ricardo Leyva Munoz.
I'm sorry, I am not Spanish, guys, so I really apologize.
I can just do this. I failed Spanish. Yeah, you do all the tongue rolls and all that.
Munoz Ramirez on February 29, 1960 in El Paso, Texas.
And that's Leap Day. Which is supposed to be this fun, whimsical thing, but it didn't turn out that way for him.
Maybe it ruined his life. It's supposed to bring you luck, I think.
It's like good luck. To be born on a leap year?
Yeah. Oh. I think it's like good luck. I may be making that up.
I might have pulled that out of my ass, but it sounds good.
Yeah, I've never heard that, but there's a lot of things I've never heard.
I'm going to find a source for that. Do it.
There's got to be a source somewhere. Plug source here.
I've heard that somewhere. He was the youngest of five children.
Fuck that. And I'm the youngest of four.
His father, Julian Ramirez, was... actually originally a police officer.
But when Richard was born, he worked as a laborer for the Santa Fe Railroad.
And his mother, Mercedes. Okay. Mercedes.
I don't want to be like Mercedes. I sound very American.
Mercedes. Yeah, sure. Ramirez. Was actually a labor and a boot factory.
Like the boots from last week? Like Das Boots.
Das Boots. Yeah, she was making those. Shit.
No wonder he was a serial killer. Well, it kind of was torturous because she was constantly exposed to dangerous chemical fumes while she worked there.
And she worked there. I'm gonna wait for that plane to go by.
That huge fucking jet engine. Fucking jet that's going over it.
Um, so she was exposed to these dangerous chemical fumes while she was pregnant with all of her children.
Oh shit. So she was sucking in like toxic chemicals. while working all day while pregnant with all her kids.
No bueno. As a result, all of his siblings had some kind of birth defect. like respiratory issues.
They weren't like, you know, all physical, but some of them like respiratory issues, bone deformities, and...
Richard Ramirez is a birth defect. And the Night Stalker.
I think he's just a birth defect all in himself.
So, like, don't do what she did. Don't work around dangerous fumes.
It's not a good idea. Actually, I might have to do that someday. yeah hair masks hair fumes are like actually low-key oh yeah when I was pregnant they like didn't I couldn't dye my hair When people bring their babies into the salon sometime, I'm like,
No, that kind of makes me crazy. Well, one, people are trying to relax, so don't bring your crying baby in.
And you're supposed to be relaxing. two you're relaxing and then three there's a lot of things in there that i feel like they should not be breathing in well that's it's like we shouldn't be breathing that shit in so it's like babies i don't know No, that makes me nervous that someday I might be pregnant around all that stuff.
Well, just wear a mask. I've seen hairdressers that were pregnant and wore a mask. while they did it and I wasn't like you asshole show your mouth you huge douche So just do that because you don't want a little Ricky.
Sure don't. So besides that whole thing.
Richard's father was a super angry dude, and he was prone to fits of rage and violence, which he often directed towards his family.
Phenomenal. His kids and his wife. So he probably had nothing to do with how Richard turned out.
This is like a cesspool of a house. Oh, yeah.
So already that's... Things are going pretty smoothly for a trajectory towards mayhem.
Yeah. But we've added on the fact that as a child, Richard also suffered, not one.
But two major head injuries. Head traumas.
Yep. Two. Guys, watch your kids' heads. Yeah.
Make them wear a helmet for a while. I mean, once they have a major head injury, man.
You're fucked. You might want to return them.
Bring them back to the stork. It's pretty hard to reverse that.
It seems to be a thing. It's not good. John Wayne Gacy had a head trauma.
Ted Bundy had a head trauma. Ed Gein had a head trauma.
You had a head trauma. No, I'm just kidding.
I had a head trauma. It's all bad. so yeah you're basically shit on a look as a parent if that happens so one of them was at the age of two oh damn and it was a dresser fell on him And he had to get more than 30 stitches at two years old.
Tether dressers to the wall, people. Yeah.
If you have kids... tether dressers to the wall how many more videos do we need to see where they're like oh my god look at this dresser it fell on the skin That's so scary.
Because kids climb on shit. Right. And they pull the whole thing down because it's like physics and shit.
Because it's like physics and shit. Dress her to the wall.
I'm saying. Your seat cushion kind of makes my legs a little itchy.
That's weird. Yeah. Sorry. It's okay. I apologize.
I wish I was wearing sweatpants. You're so complainy right now.
I am complainy. It's because my Captain Crunch Slurpee's gone.
I'm sorry about it. Ah, you drank that whole thing.
Yeah, I'm trash. It's impressive that you're trash.
I'm impressed. I'm self-proclaimed trash.
I love it. Thank you. So the second head injury was when he was five.
And he was knocked unconscious by a swing at the playground.
Damn, what a gnarly fucking swing. Was it made of cement or something?
Who was swinging, right? Like, was Dwayne the Rock Johnson?
I almost just spit my shit everywhere. Was Dwayne the Rock Johnson, like, swinging him?
Sorry, Richard! Do you smell? Did you say, do you smell?
When he was a wrestler, his thing used to be, do you smell what the Rock is cooking?
Do you smell? Actually, yes. Richard Ramirez did smell.
I thought that's the joke you were making.
Oh, I didn't even realize that connection.
Wait, how fitting that I'm having a Slurpee right now.
I feel like that's so up his alley. You, like, lived off of that shit.
Oh, God. You don't live off. And you brush it, too.
Sometimes. I'm just kidding. All the time.
You a pretty piece. Thank you. Oh my god thanks.
I like your tea. Wow. I aspire to your tea.
What? We're really learning a lot. It's a moment.
We're having a moment. So yeah, he got hit by Dwayne the Rock Johnson on the playground.
It was after this injury that he actually started to suffer from epileptic seizures.
Oh, shit! And they plagued him until he was a teenager.
And then they just, like, stopped? They stopped.
This is actually kind of funny. They stopped when he started smoking marijuana.
And that is a thing. I mean. It seems more and more to have some kind of connection.
I'm not saying that that's the reason it stopped, but it is a thing.
In his early teen years, he actually, this is kind of sad, but don't feel bad for him because he's the worst.
He used to start sleeping in a cemetery to get away from his house.
Wow. Because it was quiet and he could be alone and... his dad wasn't, like, beating the shit out of him.
That's actually really sad, but I'm not gonna feel bad.
Yeah, it actually sounds kind of lovely.
Um... Like, very peaceful. You get sounds like this.
You could just sleep in someone's backyard.
That's what I would do. That's true. And then just like sneak out in the morning.
Maybe that's a little creepy that I just said that.
Yeah, there you go. Now, as if we haven't already, like, really made a serial killer pie with all of these pieces.
We're missing one, a couple more ingredients.
And don't worry, because Richard... Got all the ingredients.
Oh, he got, like, double pie. So I'm pretty sure this was really... I mean, if everything else happened, maybe he could have...
I don't know. I mean, he's one of those, like, the nature versus nurture thing.
You could argue it for a long time. Because you could really argue for nurture, because...
He had no chance. I mean, this kid had everything against him.
But it's also like, he is so evil that it's like...
He had to have been born with some evilness.
But then again, it's like maybe it was the toxic fumes that his mother was sucking in.
Maybe it warped his brain chemistry from the get-go.
So I don't know. But I know this had something to do with it right here.
And I'm sure everybody will agree. So during his early teen years, it was his cousin Miguel or Mike. who was really to blame.
Fucked. He was to blame for fusing the idea of sex and violence together.
Which is what a lot of these serial killers go through.
Like, a lot of these, you know, especially the ones that are, like, sexual sadists, like Ted Bundy.
Right. Like, a lot of them get sex and violence. fused at some point in a very usually during their like prepubescent years where it's really important to have a good foundation and like a healthy outlook on sex and release ships and all that they always end up getting something fucked up that like You can't really turn back the clock.
So Mike was a former Green Beret in Vietnam.
Oh shit. So already it's like Mike has seen some things.
Woof. My father was in Vietnam. So now when he came back from Nam, Mike brought some Polaroids back.
With him. And it wasn't like... Of dead people?
It wasn't like hashtag food porn or like beautiful scenery.
Uh-oh. Or anything like that. There were photos of him decapitating people.
Holy shit. Raping Vietnamese women. Oh god.
Torturing Vietnamese women. and killing Vietnamese women.
That's literally horrible. And he showed these to a 12 year old richard who takes photos like that a really messed up individual who which mike was and you will see he gets even more messed up oh god Unfortunately, he was showing these things to Richard.
He was telling him how amazing it was and how powerful he felt.
And he was basically telling him how great it was to just... kill someone take their lives take you know rape them do take what he wanted basically so he was putting this in his head already And these pictures were, like, arousing to Richard.
Ew! Because, again, starting to fuse sex and violence together, and these are gonna be his fantasies now.
I just don't get Because he's just not getting a correct view, one, on women.
Like, he's already getting a very skewed, very fucked up message about women, which is...
You want to have sex with them? You take it.
You want to kill them? You take it. You want something from somebody?
You take it. Like, that's what this guy is saying.
That is not what you do. And that's not what you do.
And he was also teaching him techniques used in the war, like teaching him how to shoot a gun.
Teaching, which in and of itself is not a bad thing, but mixed with everything else.
He was teaching them about secrecy and recon and teaching them about creeping the fuck around, which is exactly what Richard ended up using later in life.
I'm going to teach you today about creeping around.
I'm going to teach you about creeping the fuck around.
Today's lesson is creeping around. They also called him Little Ricky.
That's a good rap name. Little Ricky. I'm Lil Ricky.
There's a rapper right now called Lil Dicky.
Of course there is. I wish I was kidding.
So on May 4th, 1973, Ricky was hanging out.
Ricky. I'm like, Ricky, you know. Richard was hanging out with Mike at his house like he did a lot when he was way too young Mike got angry at his wife Jessica And shot Jessica in the face in front of Richard.
What? Who was 12 at the time. Just straight up point blank murdered her.
And she was dead. Like, shot her in the face.
Like, was mad at her. Shot her in the face in front of Richard.
Jesus. Mike was found criminally insane and only served four years.
And then was just out? And then he was out and continued to stay in touch with Richard throughout his killing spree.
What the fuck? Yeah. So, now already we have...
The abusive father. We have the chaotic fumes from the womb.
A chaotic house. We have two head injuries.
Now we have a psychotic cousin who has shown him... murderous photographs raping photographs he's shown him all this and then straight up murdered someone in front of him murders a woman who he's supposed to be his wife in front of richard Now, what the hell is gonna come out of that?
Damn. Because now Richard is seeing not only how to take from women, but also this is just what...
You do. The world is. This is what it is.
Yeah, well, that was his world. You get mad, you shoot her in the face.
That's just how it is. And then you only serve four years.
And exactly. And I bet that's cemented in his head that like, oh, well, you, you know, you get what you want and nothing's going to come of it.
That's so messed up. There's also a little kid playing outside right now.
Yeah. And I keep hearing a little kid voice and it's low-key freaking me out.
Yeah, I heard that too. It's too late. Go to bed.
It's barely summer anymore. Yeah, that's really creepy, actually.
I'm not a fan. I'd rather that coyote that was like, whoop.
I like that you just keep saying coyote.
I know. People are going to be like, you know it's a coyote. right yes I do okay I know so after this whole fun period of life at just 13 years old.
The logical thing is for Richard to move in with his sister Ruth.
And her husband, right? You know, that's fine.
Except, her husband happened to be a disgusting peeping Tom.
Oh, what was up with his fam? And decided to take Richard under his wing and show him how to be a disgusting peeping Tom.
What the fuck? So essentially, Richard Ramirez went through...
Like, he got, like, a master's degree in being a fucked up monster.
Like, he literally, from the jump like who does that that's child abuse he was literally trained so he literally showed him the ropes of being a fucking perverted loser ew Now, her husband was also a drug addict.
And got Richard into acid for the first time when he was in ninth grade.
Was he addicted to acid? Well, he started... He took a lot of hallucinogens.
He started taking, like... Richard or the husband?
Well, the husband and Richard started taking a lot.
He took a lot of drugs later. Oh, damn. Which is why his appearance suffered.
His appearance fell apart because he was just fucking a maniac.
Well, that does some shit to your brain.
Oh, yeah. And this is also when he started... Because he was grown up in a Catholic household.
Yeah. But this is when he started questioning all of that and deciding to rebel against it.
And he decided he was going to turn to Satanism.
And he turned to, like... Because, you know... Satanism isn't actually that bad when you really look into it.
Like, actual Satanists... are not what this is.
Like, he was, like, a caricature. These are the people that, like, give it a bad name.
Exactly. He made it into what... everybody thinks it is exactly like what what satanic panic was all about which is shitty for the people that are actual just like regular if you actually look at like i'm not like I mean, we're not saying we're Satanists.
No, I'm not any religion. I'm agnostic. I don't know what the hell's going on. but i just wanted to be clear that like we're not saying like this is what satanism is yeah and also ACDC was his favorite band at the time and Bummer for ACDC because the media, like, demonized them.
Because they found out that they were his favorite band and that he loved them.
And they essentially blamed them. And it's like, dude, just because this fucking tool bag...
It took lyrics way too seriously and took them in a totally different direction.
So many people have crazy lyrics. Like, have you ever listened to Eminem?
Exactly. And it's like, you can't blame the artist.
No. They're just letting out. They're actually letting it out in a good way.
Exactly. The outside is so spooky. Every noise I hear, I'm like, motherfucker.
Motherfucker. I know, and I feel bad. People's windows are probably open, and I'm like, so are the night stalkers.
Sorry. Were you putting your kids to bed?
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So at 16 years old, because yeah, he's only 16 years old right now.
All of this has happened in the first 16 years of his life.
And that's the, I actually meant to say doing any kind of drug before you're like, oh yeah, because you're what you always used to tell me when I was in high school, don't do drugs because your frontal lobe isn't formed. and it's your basis for reasoning and logical and logical rationale and If you're starting to fuck with your brain chemistry before that's formed, it can stop forming, and then you're really fucked.
Well, when they look into killers and stuff like that, they always check out their frontal lobes.
Yeah, because a lot of them aren't formed correctly.
Isn't that weird that you can tell if head trauma happened?
Like, doesn't it affect something in the frontal lobe?
Well, head trauma can affect anywhere. Oh, okay.
It depends on the trauma. Like, where it is, you know, like, it can basically...
But it can make it so that your frontal lobe doesn't correctly develop.
Oh, yeah. Especially if you hit in a certain spot.
In the frontal area. Yeah. Science. Science.
See, I listened to you for all those years.
You did. I'm proud of you. I learned stuff.
I learned things. So at 16 years old is when he began to work at the Holiday Inn.
Yikes. So he tried to get a job and, like, actually do things.
But while he was working there, he stole a key card.
I was going to say, why the fuck do you think he was working out the holiday inn?
And he broke into a room. And he attempted to immediately rape a woman who was coming out of his shower.
Jesus Christ. Yes, he immediately attacked her.
But her husband had just left the room to go get something and came back when this was happening.
And the husband literally beat him to a fucking pulp. like beat him unconscious which good on him and that's awesome but what's not awesome is the fact that He fucking got away with this because the couple was from out of state and didn't want to come back to deal with the trial, so no charges were filed.
The hotel couldn't even do anything? No, well, it's the people who would have to.
Well, he got fired, I'm sure, but no charges were brought against him. so just another thing of oh I can get away with this once again he's emboldened to think he can literally get away with anything He's seeing evidence of it.
He saw Mike literally shoot his wife in the face and kill her right in front of him and get four years.
That's just fucking nuts. And now he attempts to rape a woman and he gets zero because they don't... And I don't... I mean, especially at this time.
I mean, it's still... Well, especially in the 80s, it was so fucking different.
Because assholes are always going to be like, what did you do to invite this?
And back then it was even worse. Oh yeah.
I'm sure people just didn't want to deal with it.
And to come back into a state you're not even from to have to deal with this shit is like, Now, at this time, there was... So there was one person... in Richard Ramirez's life who was close to him.
And was not a shitbag. No, she was. Well, she's not a shitbag, I shouldn't say that.
But she had some tough... A tough deck of cards laid out to her.
Okay. Do tell. Her name was Donna Myers.
And she ended up not only being his best friend and roommate later, but she was also instrumental in his capture.
Okay, so she's not a shitbag. So she turned out, she's definitely not a shitbag.
But she's, she's just, she wasn't living her best life at this time.
Right. So she met him in 1979. And it was when she went down to El Paso with her friends Armando Rodriguez and Tony Reyes.
And they were two of her friends from the San Francisco area, which is where they were from.
Okay. Now, Armando knew Richard. So that's how they all kind of got together when she went to El Paso.
According to Donna, she said when she first met Richard, I thought he was a real nice guy.
So she couldn't have been more wrong. We've seen that way.
Another little thing about people who were slightly close to him was...
Another childhood friend named Ray Garcia said about Richard, quote, We thought he was sick.
He had this disease. everything would stick to his fingers.
We called him Ricky the Klepto. Because he was...
A huge thief. By this time, like when he was 16, 17, 18, he was fucking a kleptomaniac.
He stole everything all the time. And throughout his murders, you'll see every single murder, he stole shit from their house.
It was always part of it. Trophies. Yeah.
Now, it was around this time when they came to El Paso and they all met.
He actually followed them back to California.
And he started living on Skid Row. Ooh.
So he slept in parked cars, he slept in alleys, and he would sometimes sleep in my- Can you imagine getting into your fucking car and Richard Ramirez is sleeping in there?
I'd be like, you can have it, bye. It's yours now.
It's yours. Congratulations. When he could, like, scrape money together, he would sleep in, like, a flop house.
You know what I mean? Right. But so now Donna, who ended up becoming one of his really good friends, in an interview she said quote we'd see him in san pablo at least once a month he'd do his laundry and stay the day he dressed in dark clothes always dark clothes He liked to eat junk food and yogurt, Pepsi and cupcakes and banana splits and he never brushed his teeth.
He carried a backpack and a small satchel.
He had his clothes, vitamins, and tapes in them.
He always carried a Walkman tape player and wore a black baseball cap.
I thought he thought enough to take vitamins, but not to brush his teeth.
But not brush his fucking teeth. It's like, vitamins aren't going to help you if you have...
If your teeth are rotting inside of your body.
Seriously. And he became very adept at stealing cars.
Oh, shit. Which is important because he stole cars all the time to bring to these crime scenes.
It helped him because... He was never driving the same car.
So it was just another way that he had zero patterns, zero anything that they could... like latch on to to try to catch him well and he didn't really have a home base either so i'm sure that was like a tough exactly because it's like when you're living on the street It's so easy to just disappear into the night.
Yeah. Damn, that's fucked up. I don't know if this is stupid or not, but sometimes I get the cases of the Green River Killer. and the Night Stalker confused.
Like, I, like, I'd tie different details and I'm like, oh shit, that was not them.
I could see that. Well, it's the same detective caught them.
Oh. Frank Salerno. Huh. He's like a rock star.
Cool. Wait, the Green River killer or killers?
Killer. There was only one. Gary Goodjoy.
No, that's not who I'm thinking of then.
Who's the... The whole side stranglers? Maybe that's what it is.
That I get confused. I mean, they're definitely different, but they worked in California.
So, yeah. So he ate like shit. I like that he mixed yogurt in there, too.
I know. He was like, gotta get those, you know... cultures, those live cultures.
Activia? No, I was trying to think of a word.
It was like Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah. Is that what you're thinking of?
Activia? Yeah, I was trying to think of like... Or like Danimals?
Am I allowed to say all these things? What is a good gut bacteria?
Why can't I think of a name? Probiotics?
Probiotics. That's what I was thinking of.
Jesus. Having a moment. So yeah, he just ate like shit.
He lived off of junk food. He lived off of soda. candy.
And then on top of it, it's like, that's one thing.
You're already gonna fuck up your body that way.
But he didn't Not brushing your teeth? That's just so fucking gnarly.
So his teeth were fucking garbage. He got garbage teeth.
You tell the people in your house to stop moving around because they're really freaking me out.
Stop. living. Everybody sit down. Just sit down until we are done.
Same with the coyotes. So what about halitosis?
So halitosis was something he became pretty known for.
Oh, God. Because his future victims all said he smelled like fucking shit.
Do you know that halitosis is the first thing I learned about in hair school?
Because you're so close to people. Oh, yeah.
They literally have a whole chapter dedicated to halitosis.
Makes sense. And, like, personal hygiene and body care.
Because... I remember, because honestly, someone with gnarly-ass breath will stay with you forever. that memory of that person will connect with that nasty gnarly ass breath because I remember I was on jury duty once it was a dude And he was a very nice guy.
He was, like, very put together, very clean.
And he was, like, just chatting with me.
Some people, like, get halitosis. He had.
The worst breath. And I remember literally sitting there and being like, I'm going to barf.
I'm fucking nauseous. Yeah. It is. nauseating.
I used to work with a girl that had wicked bad halitosis.
I'm like, you're a clean cut dude. Like... it's like happening it can be like something in your stomach like yeah it can be like bad gut shit right it's like causing it which is and it's not always people's fault no it's not halitosis in general isn't no halitosis brought on by this shit is oh that was 100% his fault just brush your fucking teeth yeah this is like preventable halitosis like maybe eat a vegetable just like Gargle some Listerine every once in a while.
Throw a mint in there. I don't know. Halitosis is low-key my biggest fear.
I have mints in every single one of my cars.
I have them everywhere. Oh, yeah. Um, so yeah, halitosis.
His fucking teeth were garbage. Yummy! And...
It was sometime in like 1984-ish, which is when he started his craziness. that donna this donna lady said that he started taking cocaine oh shit And he soon started dissolving the cocaine in water and shooting it.
Oh. Yeah. She said quote he broke off a needle in his arm one day.
Oh my god. That's what he told me he ran to the hospital and they had to cut the needle out for him he got so hooked on cocaine he just wigged out What the fuck?
So he was like... He was literally taking the lucinogens.
He was... I mean, you smoke your marijuana, but I don't know if that really, it's not a very violent.
I don't think that had anything to do with it.
But on top of everything. Well, yeah. And then, so he's literally shooting.
He's just always out of it. He's taking hallucinogens.
He's doing all this shit. When cocaine can lead to like fits of rage.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Cocaine is scary. So this is when he really dove into the devil stuff, like the devil worshipping stuff.
Oh, yikes. Donna said, quote, he really got into it.
He drew a satanic star on the upper part of his arm.
He drew a... She called it a witch's star. good her quote on mine he drew a witch's star in a circle on his stomach so a pentagram right and wanted to get it tattooed on He used palm readers.
He would say Satan is a supreme being, like we worship God.
He would tell me that Satan watches over him so he doesn't get caught or get hurt.
Oh shit. Now, oddly enough, his first murder, which happened in the year 1984... wasn't discovered to be linked to him until 2009.
Oh damn. When they used DNA analysis to link it to him.
And it was a nine-year-old girl. Oh my god.
And he never confessed to this one. Which some people are like, oh, do you think it was like he had some kind of...
No, I think he just knew. I think one, he either didn't want to get beat up in prison.
Literally might not have even remembered doing it Because who knows how many of these he even remembers.
Because he was so strung out. And two, he probably just doesn't give a shit.
And he did so much shit. It's like... Well, and especially when you're in prison already, don't they like... like certain prisoners get like real pissed off if you have killed kids but he already had a few that he confessed to so he was already in deep shit that way oh damn But, like, at this time, he started kidnapping and raping little girls for a little spell.
Oh! Yeah, he was a fucking demon. Oh, I hate that.
February 20th. Now, we're going to start going into this.
And again, I said this is going to be a two-parter.
So we're going to talk about a couple of things. these cases and then we will dive back into it next week for part two because we don't this is overwhelming for sure And it gets real dark real fast.
And I really love that there's still fucking kids playing outside and it's freaking me out.
And they're, like, making weird, like, it sounds like the Blair Witch.
When, like, remember they're in the tent and all those little kids' hands are on the tent?
I wish you didn't bring it there. It sounds like it.
It does sound like that. I'm like, please stop.
So, here we go. Trigger warning, everybody.
Because we're starting off with kids. Ugh.
So February 26th, 1985 was a six year old girl.
Oh my God. He didn't kill her. But she told, so when she was discovered alive, she told authorities that she was kidnapped from a bus bench. while waiting for her older sister.
He stuffed her into a zipped laundry bag, molested her, and then dropped her off somewhere else.
And then he did it again to another little girl.
Like why? March 11th. A nine-year-old Monterey Park boy was kidnapped from his home in the middle of the night, sexually assaulted, and then left in Elysian Park near Silver Lake.
He's not gone. These are all him. Now, June 28th, 1984, Ma's birthday.
Ma's birthday. Always. Ma's birthday is in a lot of these.
I know. An elderly woman named Jenny. And I don't have her last name here, so I might need to add that later.
She was stabbed. He broke into her home.
She was stabbed repeatedly while she was sleeping and he raped her.
He also cut her throat so deeply that he almost decapitated her.
March 17, 1985. 22-year-old Maria Hernandez and 34-year-old Dale Okazaki.
These are two women. They lived together as roommates.
Maria was coming home from work, and it was at night.
So she pulls into the garage and she goes to close the garage door.
Oh, God. And he snuck in under the door.
Fuck that. He just immediately points a gun at her, a .22 caliber handgun.
He shoots. I know, this kid's legitimately playing outside right now and I don't know what to do.
And I don't know what to do. Like, we didn't do anything.
What do I do? How do I make this stop? uh so he shot the gun at her but and this is like misfire superhero shit no oh crazier she happened to have her keys like on her finger looped on her finger and like on her palm like she held up her hands The bullet hit the key and ricocheted off.
Holy shit. Now, she had the presence of fucking mind to drop to the floor and pretend that he hit her.
And pretend she was dead. And he just walked over her and into the house, but unfortunately, Dale had heard the gunshot, so she hid under a counter.
And when she peeked out to see if he had gone, he shot her in the face and she died.
Maria survived. But unfortunately, her roommate was killed.
That is so horrible. Now, he wasn't finished that night.
That same night. He found 30-year-old Solly on You.
She pulled over her car and he walked up to her car, yanked her out of it, screamed at her, calling her a bitch. because that was his mo he which we'll find out later he constantly would say like the same line like shut up bitch or i'll kill you jesus And actually what's crazy is he said it so many times and it was reported so many times from survivors. that he used, like, the same line, that when they did, like, get him, and they had somebody look in a lineup, they had everybody in the lineup say, shut up, bitch, or I'll kill you.
So that they could say, like, that's who he is.
Holy fuck. Which is kind of interesting.
That is. Um, so... When you pulled over, he yanked her out, screamed at her, and then shot her several times.
She died the next day. Oh my god. march 20th of the same year an eagle rock girl little girl is kidnapped and sexually molested by a man who breaks into her family's home at night oh my god March 27th.
Now this one's rough. This is when he like, he ratchets things up a little bit.
Here. This is when he started really getting his stride of fucked upness.
March 27th of the same year. He hit the home of 44-year-old Maxine and 64-year-old Vincent Zazara.
Now, he broke into their home at 2 a.m. Vincent was asleep on the couch which always seems like a bad idea in these stories.
It's like there's so many stories of like the husband was asleep on the couch.
Don't sleep on your couch. Like, sleep in your bed.
Well, you just fell asleep. But, like, don't do that.
You're just a sitting duck. I feel like it's just like... Sleeping on your couch is for dead people.
Exactly. Well, this whole story is a lesson. that I've already taught you all, which is fresh air is for dead people.
Close your window. Close your damn windows, because he was just coming into these houses.
So, Vincent was asleep on the house. On the house?
He was asleep on top of the house. You know, you know.
It's comfy. Sometimes it's nice. You can't sleep, you know, just try it on the house.
He was on that. couch he's on the couch couch so these kids are messing me up okay for reals Richard walked right up to him and shot him in the head as he slept.
Oh my god. Boom. Dead. Maxine was sleeping upstairs in the bedroom, heard the gunshots, And she immediately was like, what the fuck, so she grabbed Vincent's shotgun.
Hell yeah. And she was like, I'm gonna fuck this guy up.
Which, this all could have ended. in this moment, which is very devastating.
Tell me what happened. So she grabs the shotgun.
She walks. She fucking has it out. And Richard comes up and she goes, click.
It was empty? It was empty. Oh, my God. You want to know what's even worse?
No. It was empty. Because Vincent had taken the bullets out a couple days earlier because their grandchildren had visited, and he wanted to be a safe... carrying grandfather and not have bullets in his gun oh my god why didn't he tell her so he literally was being a good grandfather And removed the bullets from the gun.
So if she had done that, boom. Richard Ramirez would be done.
This would be the end of it. I fucking hate that.
Can you imagine, like, do you know that feeling when your stomach's gonna fall out your butt like when she did the like and it just went you just know that you're gonna die right then i'd be like what the actual fuck Unfortunately, Richard had bullets in his gun, and he shot her three times in the chest.
Luckily, I guess, she died pretty instantly.
Yeah, no, you wouldn't want to suffer. But then Richard got, like, theatrical.
Oh, God. He gouged her eyes out of her head.
He literally scooped them right out. He stabbed her left breast very intensely.
They said it was like a T-shaped ripping wound.
He cut her face all up. He cut her pubic region all up, her stomach and her neck.
He then put her eyes in a jewelry box and took them home with him.
What the fuck? Yeah. Well, luckily, because this did help later.
It didn't help at the time, but later I guess this was a good thing.
He left his ACDC hat at the same scene because he's a fucking dumbass.
Wow. Which he was probably really mad about, I bet.
Oh, yeah. Like, think about it. You leave your favorite pants at it.
It's like the scene in Mean Girls. I want my pink shirt back!
I want a picture back! I want my ACPC hat back!
He's like yelling it in prison. He's like driving by the house yelling out a window.
God. So he... Now, this is kind of synonymous with him.
Like, it's a very infamous part of this case, is he also left... a sneaker print at this scene.
Oh, yeah. Which is not always great evidence, but in this case...
They must be having like a sleepover or something.
I thought like an angry dad was in there.
I did too and I was like, uh oh. domestic assault is happening on the podcast.
I was like, guys, we might have a case unfolding right now.
We'll be back next week. We've got to figure this shit out.
So yeah. So the sneaker print was the brand Avia.
Or Avia? I think it's Avia. Is it Avia? I don't know.
I've heard it said both ways. It's one of them.
I think it's Avia, actually. Okay. I don't know.
Either way. I think Avia sounds better. It does.
But it might be Avia. It's a pretty specific brand, obviously. not floating around everywhere, like probably tattoos.
And it ended up being that this specific shoe print was found at every scene. so this is how they were able to connect all the scenes part of how they were able to connect all the scenes and be like whoa this is one fucking dude And they were probably like, what the fuck?
For a while they were like, this has to be multiple people.
Because there's just so many. Because there's so many.
Now, May 14th, 1985. It was married couple Bill and Lillian Doy.
Now, Lillian was an invalid who was bound to a hospital bed.
I believe she had like cerebral palsy. Now, they slept in separate bedrooms because of this, because she had to be in a hospital bed.
So Richard broke into their house. and immediately shot Bill in the face.
Oh my god! Bill didn't immediately die.
So Richard beat him unconscious. Then he found Lillian sleeping in her fucking hospital bed in a separate room.
He bound her with thumb cuffs. Those were things we were talking about.
And then he raped her. an invalid like what the fuck is wrong with you even do anything and he knows that she's in a fucking hospital but Now Bill woke up.
Holy shit. He's been shot in the face and beat unconscious and he just woke up.
Saw what was happening. Obviously couldn't fight back.
So he crawled to the phone and dialed 911 to get somebody there for his wife.
No way. Then he fell back into unconsciousness.
Richard heard this happening and he split because he knew police were coming.
So Lillian survived and Bill ended up passing away.
Oh no! But the cops said... she only survived because he because like his heroic effort of crawling to the phone i wish that he didn't die though i wish there were survivors i know it's awful Now, I can't imagine.
Oh, that like stresses me out because I wouldn't even want to live.
Right. I know. I don't know how you go without your significant other.
And all that trauma is like, oh. Now I'm gonna, I think we'll end on this next one.
And this next one is... possibly the worst one great so there's way more after this but this is a really bad one so hold on to your butts I like when you say that makes me laugh.
May 29th. So this was only a couple, like a week and a half after this last one.
So he's really like on a tear. He went to the home of 83-year-old Mabel.
Ma Bell. Legit? Those are people called her Ma Bell.
Fuck him. And her friend who lived with her, 81-year-old Florence Lang.
No, like literally go fuck yourself, Richard Ramirez.
He breaks into the house. He sees a hammer on the counter.
No, no, no. He bludgeons my bell. Then he bludgeons Florence.
He then returns to Mabel, and he's like, huh, she's still alive.
Even though he, like, cracked her skull open, and she's an 83-year-old woman.
So he's like, hmm, what else can I do? So he grabs a lamp, he rips the cord out, and he pulls the wires out of the cord.
And he just starts shocking her. What the fuck?
She was alive this whole time. Nobody knows how long he did these, like tortured them, but he tortured them.
Ew, what the fuck? thigh what what a theatrical piece of shit After all that, he sat down.
He had a can of soda. He ate two bananas.
He peed in their toilet. And didn't flush the toilet.
What a dick. It was just fucking rude. He ate their bananas.
Now, yeah. He like ate the food just sat there. hung out for a little bit okay joe d'angelo this is awful no matter what but both of the women were alive still well he was just hanging out yep They lived for three more days.
Oh, my God. And it was three days later that a handyman found them still alive.
So they were just, like, laying there? Yep.
Because they couldn't move or anything? Because they were so... Both of them had multiple skull fractures.
There was brain matter exposed, I mean it was bad.
How were they alive? They both ended up dying from their injuries, but they survived for a few days.
That's almost worse. So... So yeah. Great.
And we're not even... More to come next week.
We're like halfway there, guys. I almost just said more to come last week.
Now, let me just give you a little bit of hope for the future here, because the way Richard Ramirez is caught... most satisfying... It's like a parade, almost.
Amazing. Like... It's good. Like, trust me, you're gonna feel great at the end of it.
It's fucking, like... Have a party. And, you know, we'll definitely wrap it up next week with a nice little bow.
So... And you know what? Maybe not even next week because we're going to try to record it tomorrow.
Yeah, I think we're going to. We'll just give you a little prezzy.
Yeah, I think we're just going to bang them both out.
We're just going to give them to you all in one.
A two-episode week. A two-episode week, because you know what?
You guys have been so... radical. You guys are the tits.
And amazing. We love you. And supportive.
And just awesome. We love your messages.
Yeah, you guys have been rad. And your likes and your comments.
We're going to give you two episodes. We're going to give you both the parts this week, so you can just...
You can finish it all up in one sitting if you want to.
Should we take a request for the next week?
Yeah. Let's take a request. People have given us a lot of requests, so maybe I'll sift through...
And we'll go through and look and see which one we want to do next week.
Cause maybe we'll hit like a less, a less dramatic one or a less dramatic one.
Maybe. I mean, they're all going to be pretty rough.
It's murder. This one's like a different level, so.
Hell yeah. We'll take it down a notch next week.
I'm excited. And yeah, and we're going to be coming up with some bonus episode ideas.
Yeah, tell me. So we can give some bonus episodes to our Patreon donors.
I know, the first is in like two weeks. I know.
So I think we're going to try to do maybe like a fun horror movie review. which I think would be fun I think we should do like one of the fun 90s horror movies oh yeah we have to do a 90s one from like my my age group's heyday.
And basically, like, what you raised me on.
I was gonna say, when I basically shoved down your throat while you grew up.
We should do The Craft. Well, that's not really a horror movie, actually.
But it's still great. It is a good one. Fun fact, Elena showed me that movie when I was approximately, like, five to six years old when you were babysitting me.
Yeah, far too early. I was very young. Like, I would never show that to my children.
Yeah, you fucked me up. You were like Miguel.
I'm just kidding. You were my Miguel. You showed me the ways of creeping.
I did not have Vietnamese photos. Snuff photos.
Nope, sure didn't. Thank God. But I'm sure... Did I ever show you Rotten.com?
No. Oh, that wasn't something that you guys... Oh, no.
This was like a rite of passage of creepiness in my... What is it?
In my age group. Rotten.com. Is it horrible?
It's pretty awful. It's just all, like, pictures of dead people.
Oh. And, like, various accidents. No, that's horrible.
It's pretty awful. You can't show that to a kid.
Oh, fuck, no. I would never show it to a kid.
Um, but every single- Oh, don't they do that on American Horror Story?
Doesn't she- Oh no, she goes on like the dark web.
That's- That's a very different... I don't even know if I want to cover the dark web in any way.
Oh, I don't. I mean, that's like a whole nother.
That's like inviting weird shit to happen.
Well, not even that. It's honestly like too much. i don't want to research it yeah it's like has to do with like children and stuff nope nope nope it's nowhere i want to be no rotten.com is more like fucking you're a sicko and you just want to look at pictures of somebody that got hit by a train Yeah, I don't want that.
It's like faces of death. Those are like the same thing.
They're like videos of people getting hit by a train or something.
No, that's horrible. I don't want to watch that.
It's fucked up. But so many people used to look at that website.
I mean, there's like, whatever, do your thing.
It was like a morbid curiosity kind of thing.
Yeah, I don't... Like, shout out to all my friends out there.
I have like a very small... Who looked at round.com. gauge of creepiness yeah mine is much more like i'm interested in true crime and that's yeah My netcast's much wider.
Yeah, you like look at crime scene photos.
I never look at the crime scene photos. Well, I think it's like, I always wanted to do autopsies.
So I think I was just repairing myself for not being shocked.
Yeah. I like glamour. And look at me, I'm not shocked.
I used to watch America's Next Top Model.
That was like my mom's dot com. That was a great show.
It fucking was a great show. Like, I'll get on board with that.
Hell yeah. For sure. All right, guys. Go on rotten.com.
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