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This is a very brutal one. It also involves domestic abuse and domestic abuse ending in murder.
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Yours. But you know what? I think this is kind of important just to begin.
I'm going to be ending this podcast with some like hotlines and some places that can.
Anybody who is in a situation of domestic violence where they don't feel safe right now will be able to contact for help.
Because I know in quarantine right now, one of the biggest things and one of the things that none of us really think of, I didn't think of it until I saw an article about it and was like, whoa.
Yeah. is that not only are we all stuck in isolation and we're all kind of freaking out, just being like bouncing off the walls.
There's some people that are now trapped inside and quarantined with their abuser.
I can't even imagine. Yeah. So I think that this is kind of pertinent for the situation at hand.
And again, If you are finding yourself in that situation, first of all, know that you are not alone. and we all are here for you and there's people that are there for you and at the end of this episode I'm gonna try to give you some way to at least try to get out of it so hang in there everybody i feel like my heart is so heavy already it is So this is the really tragic case of Kelly Ann Bates.
Okay. Kellyanne Bates was born May 18th, 1978.
She was born in Hattersley, which is an area in Greater Manchester in England.
She was born to her mother Margaret Bates and her father Tommy Bates.
She was very close to her parents. Very good daughter by all accounts.
Just a sweet kid. She was known to be athletic, spunky, fun to be around.
Often described as bubbly and energetic, she was going to school, had a part-time job at a graphics firm, and she had dreams of becoming a teacher.
Yeah, so she's just like this regular, just bubbly kid.
At the time, in 1992, she was 14 years old.
I was just about to ask you how old she was.
Yeah. 14 years old. That's when she met a guy named Dave Smith.
I bet I hate him. Yep, you're really going to hate this guy, for sure.
At first, nothing seemed amiss with this relationship, but then Kelly seemed to change a bit.
Okay. She was acting a bit more rebellious.
She was sneaking out, not checking in with her parents.
Sometimes she would be gone for like a couple days at a time with no word. at 14 yeah at 14 and her parents were obviously concerned uh it seemed like she had just fallen into the classic teenage lovesick situation to them.
So they were kind of looking at it as like, they're not happy with this and they're concerned, but they're like, they weren't thinking anything dangerous.
They were thinking like, we got to get her away from him because she's obviously becoming too...
This is very connected. Jeremy Stanky-esque.
It really is. So you think, you know, when you're a teenager like this, you think you're in love.
You spend every second together and suddenly you're like. like flaking on your responsibilities, you know?
And then you get the rude awakening. When I look back at who I thought I loved at 14, I'm like, oh, girlfriend, it gets better.
Oh, honey. So then at this point, they hadn't met Dave.
They've talked to him on the phone, but they had not met him.
Okay. Then they met Dave. Okay. Dave was 32 years old.
Oh, okay. So that's... Well, okay. Yep. So Dave was 32 years old.
She was 14. I'm just going to go ahead and say that's not okay.
Oh, no, that is absolutely not okay. Yeah, okay, cool.
And, like, right now you're getting ready to send us an email to tell me that that's okay.
Control-Alt-Delete. Yeah, don't do it because it's not okay.
It's just not if you believe it is that that's your prerogative, but I don't need to hear it.
That's all I need to know. So when they met him, they were shocked, obviously.
Correct. Because again... How the fuck do you even meet somebody that's 32 when you're 14?
I guess they met when she was babysitting for someone that he knew.
Oh, okay. No, not him. He was friends with the dad.
I think he was friends with whoever she was babysitting for and they met through that.
Jesus Christ. Yeah. So she had made him out to be like a schoolmate, but he was a grown-ass man.
Uh-huh. Now, they had answered the phone when he called previously and somehow they didn't catch his voice as not being a 14-year-old boy.
But I haven't heard his voice, so it's very possible he has a younger voice or was able to disguise it as such.
Or maybe they thought he was like a couple years older.
Well, and again... You're not thinking your 14 year old is dating a 32 year old.
That is not the first thing you're going to think of.
What? the fuck you're 32 aren't you i'm 34 holy fuck i wouldn't even date somebody 34 right i'm saying So they both both of her parents said that when they met him, they sensed something off about him immediately. besides the fact that he was dating a 14 year old i was literally just gonna say that so and obviously and what's really creepy about this is he had groomed her like all predators do of Of course.
He had clearly done that. Her parents said that they tried everything, everything they could to get her daughter, their daughter away from this man.
But we all know that sometimes this just pushes them closer to them.
And she resisted all of their help. One of their biggest fears was that they were going to lose her.
So they were trying to play their hands carefully.
And you have to. And it sucks because that must have been horrific for them.
Because as parents, you just want to lock her away and be like, no, now you're staying home forever.
And I think it's really easy for somebody to be like, well, like you shouldn't have let her do that.
But it's like, do you want to completely lose?
Well, that's in every interview I've seen with them.
It's like, you don't understand unless you're a parent.
And you don't. your biggest fear is losing your kid now you feel like you're losing your kid to this horrific predator hang on to any but you don't want to lose them by pushing and it's like so they're in this rock in a hard place Really, their only option would be to like lock her up and not let her out of the house.
And obviously she's going to be pissed off at them.
And honestly, in this situation, I don't know what I would do.
I can't tell you what I would do to fix this.
Yeah, I don't know. Because in my head, I'm like, I'd lock her up.
But would that work? I don't know. Yeah, she's 14.
She could sneak out and... yeah it's like i feel bad that you could lose her i really do i feel bad for margaret and tommy really bad i do The town of Agde in France is famous for sun, sand, sea and sex.
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They're like, he's going to meet someone his own age.
He's going to meet a nice, you know, 25 year old or something.
So Dave and Kellyanne would break up sometimes for like a day or so.
And she would come back home. He began to be, and this is when he'd begun to be outwardly possessive of her.
When she would spend time at his place, he would physically put her on a bus home when she would leave.
Jesus. because he had timed it down to the minute and if she wasn't walking in the door at that time he would fly into a fucking rage because he was like, she's somewhere else, like freaking out.
What the fuck? Yeah. So then she started showing back up back at home with huge bruises all over her.
I would fucking, I know obviously I'm not saying they should have, but I would murder the person that touches any of my children.
Yeah. And this is the part where it's like, again, I'm not saying I know what it feels like to be in these parents position.
I don't. And I can't say I would literally have.
But I'm just saying if anyone hurt my child, I would kill them.
Yeah. This is just how I like. That's just how it would be.
I don't even have kids that I'm raging. But again, I'm not judging these parents because, once again...
I don't know. This is just how I would react, but I can't tell people what is right and what is wrong.
Um, so she was saying that, you know, she was the classic stuff.
I walked into a door. I fell. I was just down the stairs.
She had an excuse for like all of. The classic abused person answers, you know, I walked into the doorknob, you know, that stuff.
One day she came home and half of her face was covered in black bruising.
Oh my God. And Margaret was like, what the fuck, Kellyanne?
Like, this is not okay. What is going on?
And she said, oh, I was jumped by some girls on the way home from the bus.
And an older couple brought me home and helped me.
And her mom was like, no, that's bullshit.
Like, no girl, like a bunch of girls did not like beat your face in like this one.
And two, if an older couple got you, they would have come in.
They would have called paramedics. or something like you know i mean like that's this just doesn't make up and every time she would say like no this doesn't make sense kellyanne had no answer for it it was clearly dave Then one day she came home and she had a deep, like, very deep, almost infected bite wound on her hand.
Oh, my God. god she claimed it was something totally different like that she like hurt her hand somewhere else but her mother was like it was a perfectly formed bite mark like there was no And it was deep and like vicious.
So whatever, like however she got it was very intense.
Yeah. oh my god yeah so the act of biting another human being oh that's talked about it yeah during the west memphis three and we talked about it during ted bundy yeah but it will never cease to amaze me it's such a specific pathology of a person like that bites someone you're an animal you really are And it was at this time that she had begun to physically deteriorate.
Obviously, because he's breaking her down slowly.
Yeah. And I mean, at this point she had lost a ton of weight.
She was not bathing anymore. Like she wasn't taking care of herself.
She was wearing baggy clothing. Because it's like you become a shell of yourself.
Exactly. And she just seemed like down and quiet.
They said she was like keeping her head down. a lot fucking talk and again remember she was a bubbly energetic everybody said fun girl this is very different So this was I mean this was clearly the result of severe domestic abuse going on.
And again, this is classic because the abuser will make it a point to demolish their victim's self-esteem.
Right. They'll make them feel worthless and also make a point of trying to make sure no one else wants them.
So they'll be like, you know, they take your beauty routine away from you if you have one because they're like, why do you need to get beautiful for someone else?
You should only be being beautiful for me.
You can't walk out this door looking like that.
Who are you trying to impress? You know what I mean?
Like they totally remove that from them and that's why they'll suddenly stop. you know tanning stop doing their nails stop doing their hair because they're like i can't do this for other people oh my god that's i can't imagine And the baggy clothing is classic to hide wounds and also to hide their body because they're not allowed to flaunt their body at all.
Flaunt, quote unquote. Again. There's no reason for them to look or feel beautiful for someone else, according to their abusers, only for them.
And before we get into the really terrible end results of this whole thing, I feel like it's important to discuss why abusive relationships can end this way. yeah um because you're right like we were talking about this earlier and many people say like why didn't you just like try to get out yeah like why did she stay Why would you stay?
What would you do? You don't know what you do until you're faced with that situation.
It's so easy for any of us who have not dealt with it to sit there and be like, I would never let someone do that and it's like i've honestly i'll be fully 100 i've said that before yeah like i would never get into that situation of course i think we all have before we've all just ignorantly been like Of course.
And then the more but that's the thing. It's like you need to educate yourself because you don't realize like.
No. all all of the different factors that go into that exactly and that's you it's like and i've heard people like why would you let somebody abuse you And it's like, well, no one lets someone abuse them.
It's very complex and very complicated. It's not letting someone do that to you. the whole term abuse itself is like they're taking yeah exactly it's removing control from you exactly And often what people don't understand is that they don't walk into these relationships and they start these guys or women. but mostly men but there are women abusers of course yeah these people don't automatically show their stripes right away they And not only do they not show their stripes, they will seduce the shit out of you.
That's their whole game. It's like they wind in time you first. oh yeah they're gonna charm and make sure that they they're gonna make you feel like you are in complete troll control troll they're going to make you feel like you're in complete control.
That's their first thing. They're going to give you all the control.
Here you go. It's all yours. And then they're going to Pull that rug out from underneath you just when they have you absolutely enamored and unable to just cut ties.
Right. Because they're going to get you so wrapped up in them that you're not going to be able to just be like, whoa, fuck this, you know?
It's going to be such a more complex situation.
And this topic always really bums me out because everyone else seems to be able to see it but the abused person.
And that's just the unfortunate reality of it.
But it's psychological. That's what it comes down to.
Exactly. It's so psychological. On like on a surface level, think about like a bad relationship that any of us have been in.
Even just like a bad, not necessarily like a full-on abusive one, but like just a bad relationship that you had that you stayed a little too long and you were like, what the fuck? fuck was i doing staying that long yeah it's a similar part of that that you got wrapped up you weren't able to just cut ties because they did something shitty right like I had an ex-boyfriend who was not physically abusive at all.
He was for sure psychologically abusive.
Um, and like, he cheated on me a ton of times.
Like I found this out, I stayed way too long.
It's just, and I think we all have been in that situation.
But it's weird to think back on it because I'm like wow I was legitimately brainwashed And now it's like I totally understand how somebody could get.
And he wasn't like abusive, but he did all the classic things like. like nobody else really liked him but like you were like no there's so many good parts exactly like he has you being like oh you don't know him like I know and I remember you saying that it's like i was too young to understand exactly you remember it yeah and i and for one you feel like they're gonna change And you feel like you're the person that's going to change them.
I'm the person who understands them the most.
I will change them. and i also felt like you know he's just so in love with me and that's why he's so aggressively jealous and why he's so intent on sticking with this, like, it's us against the world mentality that he kept pushing. and I thought it was like Bonnie and Clyde romantic thing but in reality it's not Bonnie and Clyde were in a toxic relationship as well and Bonnie was too enamored with Clyde to realize that he was just fucking hell in a hand didn't really end well for them either and stop romanticizing body and Clyde everybody yeah Bonnie's own sister said that Clyde knocked Bonnie across a room once and she just popped right back up for more.
So it's not like they had this beautiful fairy tale romance.
They weren't out there dancing in the moon.
No, they certainly weren't. But just as an example of how these... people can be so charming and so manipulative which is why i just want to push this so people aren't doing the like why would they why would she stay there was a time i caught my ex like red-handed there were two times i one time let's preface this with everybody knows what a bad bitch alina is we all know This is what, because I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent human.
No, no, no, no, no. Who would not allow.
Very intelligent. But it shows that even when you think of yourself as a very in control, very intelligent person.
Rational. Very rational, which is like how I see myself, that you can easily be put in this situation if you meet the right person.
Mm-hmm. Or the wrong person. But he had lied to me about like seeing a movie and we saw this movie together and he guessed the ending.
And it was like a weird ending that I was like, how the fuck would you guess that?
Like what? And I was immediately suspicious.
But he was like, oh, I'm just lucky. I'm just so smart that I just came up with the ending.
Or you're a giant. Well, I found a ticket stub for a different day where he had seen the movie well before we did.
And who the fuck was he seeing the movie with?
Not me. So when I confronted him, I had the ticket and he convinced me that the movie time and day we had seen it was the same movie time on that ticket, even though I knew it wasn't.
Wow. And he convinced me it was. I fucking hate that, too.
And I had the proof in my hands. And then there was, this one's even worse.
There was a night he said he had to go to the bathroom.
I listened outside. as he had a full conversation and made a date with another woman.
Listen to the entire thing. fuming outside the door.
When he came out, I'm standing there with my arms crossed.
I'm trying to be tough. I'm like, you're a fucking asshole.
I was leaving. He somehow convinced me that he was listening to a voicemail.
And you're like, but why are you talking back to me?
I had heard him speaking back to this woman and he told me, that's just my jealous brain making things up.
He wasn't cheating. I'm being crazy. That's insane.
Yeah. Thank God. And I stayed for much longer.
And I can again, I consider myself a very rational person, but he was able to manipulate me that way. because he was psychologically abusive.
That's just what it is. So Kelly, being a 16-year-old girl at this point when this was happening.
Oh, so now it's two years. years yep oh my god was way more vulnerable in age mind frame just every she was so much more and this is her first fucking relationship exactly You don't know anybody.
That's what this is. This is what love is, apparently.
Like, this is just what it is. Especially when being groomed by an abusive older man.
Right. There's just so much working against her.
And abuse like hers is so severe and so complex.
So in her situation, it was likely a case where... you know, the abused person is going to live for those few really great moments.
And they will bask in the highs and then live through a series of punishments just to get to that next high moment.
It's the honeymoon. Exactly. It's like when they're great, they're so great.
But it's like only that one time and then you'll go through months and months of punishment.
I still remember like freshman or sophomore year of high school.
We had a whole obviously you go through so much of that in health class.
Yeah. And there was like, there's a chart that the woman drew and it was like the honeymoon phase where he buys you flowers.
Yep. And it starts off like that and he brings you nice dinners.
Yep. And then he hits you. Yep. And then... like something worse happens like right across from the honeymoon phase and then he slowly will say i'm sorry and everything will get to back together and everything will be okay and then he hits you It's like this whole pattern of behavior.
And when you're in it, I'm assuming you're, you know, because again, I was not, I was never physically abused in any relationship I've been in.
But I'm imagining I'm imagining, you know, these these poor people that are in those situations. are living for those few times where this person makes them feel like they are worth it and that they love them.
Not even in a romantic relationship. Like, people go through that with, like, parents.
Oh, absolutely. Like, my mom was never, like, actually physically abusive, but I would...
Like I when I was going through everything, I would live for times where like my mom was actually in a good mood and having a good day.
And that's when you'd be like, okay, it's fine.
Yeah. You know? And then they will remind you of that too.
Like when they're trying to win you back.
They use it. they use it what about the time we did this and I did this for you remember when I did that for you we did this yeah and you're like oh okay they do love me yeah like And then it also justifies, you know what, I didn't appreciate that.
That's why they're being this way to me.
Which is shoving you down a step And it's just making you feel like, oh, I deserve this.
And like, I pushed them. So I understand now.
And then it just starts back up again. And again, it's like you can't really know this until you've lived it, really.
So after all, abusers, again, are notoriously charming and manipulative.
That's how they get you in the first place so they can turn it on. a second like you know my ex could charm the skin off a snake but he could also shut it off with the snap of his finger yeah then he was a cold motherfucker and it was like oh two different people so that's i imagine this is how dave probably was it sounds like it and So Craig Malkin is a clinical psychologist at Harvard Medical School and in a Time Magazine article about domestic abuse that I found.
I'll link it in the show notes. He said quote the person being abused is focused on the positive and waiting for the next positive.
There's a psychological effect like gambling.
The moments of tenderness and intimacy are unpredictable.
But they are so intense and fulfilling that the victim winds up staying in the hopes that a moment like that will happen again.
Eventually, there's sort of this wearing down for people on the receiving end of their abuse where they continue to tolerate more and more over time.
And they feel less entitled to being safe.
And it's so true. So abusers can also do psychological warfare as a means to keep victims around. withholding food, withholding sleep deprivation, threatening family members or pets, rape. can be involved which is obviously physical and can lead to a sort of like stockholm syndrome thing where the abuse starts to become attached to the abuser right Um, abusers also isolate, they remove you from your home base, your family, your friends, so they can convince you at the darkest times, they're all you have.
Yeah. And that's it. And I think with Kelly, she was taken out of her house.
She was slowly being brought into his home, which eventually she moves into.
And for her, it's like, that's exciting.
Yeah, you think you're like, it's this big romanticized thing.
Playing house, you know what I mean? And it's like, and he knew that.
And as we'll see, I'll get into it, he has a history of choosing younger, more vulnerable victims and abusing them for the entirety of their relationship.
So at this point, he was probably an expert.
Oh, he was a full on expert by this point.
And Kelly likely felt again like she loved him.
And it's hard to tell love from dependence sometimes.
It is. And an interesting and really sad note is over 70% of domestic violence murders happen after the relationship has ended. yeah because now the abuser has nothing to lose when the person actually gets away from when they actually show their control and that they take control back that's when it usually snaps and i'm sure it just puts like a fucking rage and oh i'm sure they have no control over you they spiral because that's what they live for is the control yep On November 30th, 1995, Kelly did move into Dave's home. uh in gorton no one friends or family spoke to her after she moved in oh no he isolated completely and they did her parents received like random cards like on their anniversary and stuff but they were written by dave not they didn't have any writing by Kelly that's awful so once his crimes came to light later Which we'll go over.
It was discovered that he was not 32 years old.
Oh my god, is he older? He was 48 years old.
Yep. And his name was not Dave but James Patterson Smith.
What the fuck? He was a year older than her father.
What the fuck? And again, she's 16 at this point and he's 48.
Oh my god! Yeah, so he lied twice about his age.
He was also unemployed, he was divorced, and...
He was a piece of shit that beat every girlfriend and wife he ever had.
How was he even able to live on his own if he was unemployed?
I don't really know. What the fuck? He got divorced in 1980 after 10 years, and he had beat that woman the entirety of their relationship.
He then dated a 20-year-old named Tina Watson from 1980 to 1982.
She said she was a literal, quote, punching bag for him and even abused.
He even abused and beat her when she was pregnant with their child.
Oh, no, no, no, no. So he's a literal monster.
Anybody who abuses a pregnant woman should, I mean, whatever.
Yeah, just, you know, paint a picture. And what she said was, quote, at first it was now and again, just a little tap.
But in the end, it was every day. He would smack me in the face or hit me over the head with an ashtray.
He would kick me in the legs or between the legs.
He also tried to drown her while she was in the bath.
She escaped, luckily. um he then dated 15 year old wendy modder's head he beat her all the time too and also tried to drown her but this time he held her head under the sink in the kitchen oh my god around her april 16th 1996 dave strolls into a police station to say he accidentally killed his girlfriend kelly in the bath after an argument and he had tried to revive her but couldn't.
And he claimed that they had been quote going at it in the bathtub and she accidentally swallowed water.
No, that's probably not at all. Actually, that's just not what happened, Dave.
Well, when the police arrived at the home, they found Kelly naked in the bathroom and And the state they found her in was nothing like any of them had ever seen. and it begs the question how did he think he was going to pass this off as she drowned because people that's the thing people like that are so scary it's true because they think they can convince anybody of anything because they think everyone is below them in intelligence so they think that they are smarter than everybody and they have an answer for everything but when you see her injuries you're like bro How were you going to hold on to this?
It was clear that she had been extensively tortured.
Oh, no. In the end, it was discovered that she had spent about four weeks being completely tortured for four weeks.
She had over 150 separate injuries. According to the Guardian, the pathologist was William Lawler.
He said, quote, but I've never come across injuries so extensive.
Oh, my God. By somebody that she was dating.
She had been, now I'm going to go through these injuries.
They're really bad. Trigger warning. This is bad.
Oh, God. She had been starved. She lost around 44 pounds in weight.
Oh my God. She had not had water for several days at least.
Her knees had been crushed so she couldn't walk.
She had scalding to her buttocks and her left legs with boiling water.
There were burns on her thigh that were caused by branding with a hot iron.
Oh, God. What the fuck? Oh, my God. Both of her hands were crushed with something.
She had mutilation of her ears, nose, eyebrows, mouth, lips, and genitalia.
There were wounds that seemed to be caused by a pruning shears and a shovel.
What are pruning shears? uh those like giant hedge clippers that you prune with yeah oh my god Both of her eyes had been gouged out.
Wait, what? Yep, there were also stab wounds in the empty eye sockets.
And this is really bad. Now it was later revealed by the pathologist that her eyes were removed before death.
Oh my God. And he said they were removed, quote, not less than five days and not more than three weeks before her death.
So she could have been dealing with that for up to three weeks.
Oh my, I don't even... They also said that it appeared that her eyes had been ripped out with hands.
Now, she was also partially scalped. At times she had been tied by ligature to radiators and furniture, or she was tied by her hair.
Her cause of death was drowning, and this was after weeks of torture and abuse, and after she had been knocked unconscious with a showerhead.
I can't even breathe. I know, I had to take a deep breath.
She went through three or four weeks of, I mean, the worst terror any of us can ever imagine.
And that's just what they could discern. i need i like can't get a deep the eyes were the thing that got that she it was one before death she did not die of having those eyes removed so she lived with her eyes gouged out and then he stabbed the empty eye sockets how do you do that in her mouth That shit, and then hobbled her, crushed her hands so she couldn't leave.
And he claimed, now his claim, when they were like... oh she just drowned in the shower like are you really sticking to that story bro And he said, I didn't do anything that she didn't ask me to do to her.
Wait, what? And they were like, she asked you to gouge her eyes out?
And he was like, well, she liked to be hurt.
And it's like so wait you're trying to paint this as an S&M thing which it is fucking clearly not.
None of this was consensual. I've never heard of S&M involving eyes being gouged out.
Because it does not. Like what the fuck? fuck is wrong way to paint snm as this like fucking as murder like that is ridiculous And her blood was found in every room in his house.
Oh my god, this poor girl. Her father had to ID her body.
Oh god. um they said quote people called him an animal but an animal wouldn't do that to another animal he's a very very evil man I think about how much pain she must have been and how she must have thought we didn't love her. yeah because she how she must have thought we didn't love her because we didn't save her Oh, my God.
That just like... Yeah, this case is... Sorry, I just had like a moment.
Because I'm thinking of like these poor parents.
They're sitting there being like my... This was happening and I didn't know.
My baby was being tortured and she was probably thinking, why aren't my parents saving me?
To have that in your brain... i can't i can't believe i'm like tearing up right now no i mean you're a mom that to me was like the hardest part about this was thinking of these poor fucking parents i mean this poor girl obviously so I know this is a podcast I don't even know what the fuck to say right now I'm so it's so beyond um Peter Openshaw was the prosecutor and he said, quote, it was as if he deliberately disfigured her, causing her the utmost pain, distressed and degradation. the injuries were not the result of one sudden eruption of violence they must have been caused over a long period and were so extensive and so terrible that the defendant must have deliberately and systematically tortured the girl.
The cause of death was drowning, immediately prior to which she had been beaten about the head with a shower head.
He said, quote, her death must have been a merciful end to her torment.
My God. Which is true. That's all I could think of.
I was like, death must have been a welcome end to that.
He went on trial and again denied any wrongdoing.
He actually blamed Kellyanne saying she would put me through hell winding me up.
So he was literally like, she pissed me off a lot. clearly but like are you kidding me because you're just i don't even i can't well after only one hour of deliberation he was found guilty i can't even believe it took that long he received a 20 year minimum sentence uh the judge said quote you're an abuser of women and i intend so far as it is in my power that you will abuse no more which is like yeah for the first time during this this is really telling of how bad this was For the first time, every juror was offered counseling after and during the trial.
Every single juror. Because did they have to see like photos and everything?
Yeah, they had to see everything. Oh my God.
And every single juror accepted the counseling for the first time.
This had never happened before. I feel like I need counseling after listening to this story.
They were so traumatized by seeing the evidence and hearing the evidence that they all took the counseling. um because that's the other thing like this is it's almost like what we said in the jamie claus story because she was so young this is like what we know happens like what they're allowed to put on exactly I can't imagine what they couldn't In putting pictures to this, I'm picturing in my head what she looked like and it's bad enough. seeing it must have and seeing her parents in the room you're you're just adding all this like level of humanity to the whole thing and it's like That's so true.
An animal wouldn't do that to another animal.
No. An animal would not cause another animal deliberate pain in that kind of methodical way. just it is astounding to me that people exist like this it's It's not even fathomable.
He's, I mean, he is truly, and he had been doing it forever.
He's like more than evil. i mean he had been doing it those kind of injuries i'm like you i mean you need to be cemented into a wall for all eternity like like worse like we should brick him up in a wall like they did on American Horror Story Hotel when like James Patrick March like to like brick people up in his wall and so did H.H.
Holmes we need to do that to him I think that's what he deserves just to live out his days in a wall After we rip his eyes out.
And just scream and cry for the rest of his life.
We should rip his eyes and his tongue out.
Yeah, I think so. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, unfortunately, that is the end of Kellyanne Bates' story, but... Oh, my God.
Like I said in the beginning, I know this has a lot to do with domestic violence, domestic abuse.
Like I said, I know people are in this situation right now. probably somebody who's listening to this podcast right now um if you find yourself in the situation right now where you are quarantined with your abuser There are different methods to get help.
One of them is advocates at the National Domestic Violence Hotline.
They're available 24-7 at 1-800-799-SAFE, which is 7233.
And it's available in more than 200 languages.
There's also Battered Women's Support Services.
You can find them at 604. 652-1867 or you can send them an email if you can't get on the phone. at intake at bwss.org.
You can also call 604-687- 1-867 or 1-855-687-1868 and you can also text 604-652-1867.
Because again, if you can't get on the phone.
Right. Also, last week, local authorities in Spain and the Canary Islands were encouraging domestic abuse victims to... go to pharmacies and tell someone of the abuse and the way they were telling them to do it is to Use the code word MASK19 and that a pharmacist will get you help.
Okay. And in the UK, the Independent Office for Police Conduct advises anyone who is in this situation to dial 999.
Listen to the questions from the phone operator and then respond by coughing or tapping the handset.
And if you can, press 5-5. Wow. So if you find yourself in a situation where you need help, hopefully one of those can help you and stay strong.
And you're loved. You are loved. So many people love you.
If you're in a bad situation, do not feel like they are all you have. they're not all you have and they don't deserve you if somebody is hurting you they do not love you, they do not have your best interest at heart, whether they're hurting you physically, mentally, emotionally,
No one who loves you should be intentionally hurting you in any way.
And I promise you this. and don't let them convince you it's unintentional because it's not yeah and it's I know it's hard when you feel like wrapped up in someone but you nobody deserves to be treated like this man no i know it's hard people that would treat you the right way exactly you deserve to meet them So, you know, stay strong, everybody.
And if you feel like you know someone in this situation, like, try to help them out.
Try to... maybe call one of these hotlines and try to help.
So that's the tragic tale of Kellyanne Bates.
And I'm sorry it's such a bummer, but I felt like it was an important one, especially with you know quarantine happening right now i just feel like somebody needed to hear how bad it can get So hopefully you're all doing okay after that.
Yeah. and we'll have something a little lighter for the mini episode we will the mini is going to be lighter i promise we're going to take it to a more spooky spooky place so yes exactly You know, if this bummed you out too much, just wait for the spooky, spooky mini.
And if you need to, go contact any of those numbers that Elena mentioned.
Yep. And we'll also put them in the caption.
Yeah, I'm going to put in the show notes and in the caption on Instagram.
We'll put the the numbers just so that they're in multiple places.
And so you can go ahead on our Instagram and find that at Morbid podcast.
We'll tweet them out. A morbid podcast. If you need help. please gmail us morbid podcast at gmail.com um you can join the facebook group anybody that's going through a hard time right now Oh, yeah.
I have seen so many people on that group.
Like, so many people rush to help them and love them and just...
It's the most delicious little community of people.
If you have anything negative to say about the Facebook group, there's so many people, so I don't want to hear it.
Yeah, because I've seen so many people just say I'm having a bad day or I'm having a really dark time right now.
And I've seen so many thousands of people rush on and thousands. cover them and support so it's if you feel like you need a boost that's definitely a good place to find it because there's some awesome people in there um and that's morbid colon a true crime podcast facebook group and if you like we said before just on a lighter note uh if you need to get tickets to the shows you can find that on on our website at morbidpodcast.com.
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