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So what do we want to talk about first? Something really exciting that's happening this year.
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Okay, so January 2020, we're going to be at the Gramercy Theater in New York City, New York.
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I'm a little nervous. Yeah, that's going to be. wait should i like outfit change oh are you gonna outfit change probably not i take myself way too seriously i'm definitely not going to outfit change Well, we probably won't have time to have a change.
No, we won't. You can dream about it for sure.
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Well, anyways, enough about me. Also in May.
It's CrimeCon. Yes, CrimeCon is right before Nashville.
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Actually, somebody involved in the case that I'm going to be talking about tonight is also going to be at CrimeCon.
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So many. Billy Jensen is going to be there, I think. oh my gosh or at least i hope i don't know i don't have that confirmed we're not friends yet yet yet Are you going to lose your noodle if he's there?
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Oh. And it's Ash-centric. So what case are we covering, sister?
Today, I'm going to be covering the case of Alyssa Turney.
Ooh, this is such a crazy case. I know it really is.
So Alyssa Turney was born April 3rd, 1994.
Her mother was Barbara Lee Farner and her father's name was Stephen Strom.
So Barbara had an older son named John, who she had when she was younger.
I think she was like 19 when she had John.
But things didn't work out with his dad.
So when she met Steve, it seemed like love.
But after Alyssa was born, the couple started to have issues in their marriage, unfortunately.
Uh-oh. Yeah. Around the same time that they started to have like these marital issues, Barbara meets a man named Mike Turney.
I know that name. Oh God. So Mike describes their meeting as this like crazy act of heroism where Barbara and Alyssa are hiding in the park. after having had a fight with Steve, like they're hiding from Steve supposedly, which is their like biological father, right?
This is Alyssa's biological father and Barbara's husband at the time.
Oh, OK. But other family members remember their meeting way differently.
They just like met by happenstance. And then Mike started sending Barbara flowers every single day.
That seems like a lot. Yeah. Well, they started an affair.
And when Stephen and Mike, sorry, when Stephen and Barbara got divorced, she married Mike like almost the next day.
You know, love is love, I suppose. Yeah.
So Alyssa was three years old when Barbara and Mike got married.
Mike had three sons from a previous marriage.
So together they kind of became this like Brady Bunch blended family.
I was just going to say. And a lot of people say that.
Compare them. Yeah, it's in like every documentary or everything you could possibly hear about this.
Because that's a lot of kids. That's almost three and three, right?
So that's, yeah. Yeah. yeah it's uh three and two so five so yeah yeah close um a year or so after and actually perfect timing a year or so after marrying barbara and mike had a daughter together named sarah Officially the Brady Bunch.
Six kids. So like I said, everything was pretty picture perfect at first, but then eventually they ran into their own marriage issues.
What the fuck? fuck yeah because i was just gonna say tale as old as time like starts being super controlling yep but that's like real That's like that's like that's where you're starting.
Yeah. I was just going to say that's that's when you level up.
That's not where you start. Right. Well, that's where Mike started.
Jesus, Mike. And Barbara would try to meet her friends for coffee if she really needed to talk about something.
She'd be like, why don't we go get coffee?
Since this line is a recorded line. Yeah.
So it became clear to her friends that she also might have been being physically abused at home because one time she said the holes in the walls weren't always from the boys.
Oh, that makes me sad. really sad because that's and that's a lot of kids in the house with whenever abuse is happening period yeah it's awful but like when kids are in the house seeing this it's like oh god it's just not a good environment Yeah.
Well, and CPS became involved on multiple occasions.
And for anybody who doesn't know, CPS just stands for Child Protective Services.
Um, once they came when a very young Sarah somehow got out of the house and was hit by a car.
Yeah. And then they had to come another time when Alyssa somehow got into her father's medication and had to be taken to the hospital to get her stomach pumped.
Oh my god. None of this should be happening to young children.
No. Jesus. Things really just started to be like unraveling at the seams and quickly.
When Alyssa was seven, she had to be taken to the doctors, and it became evident that she may have been experiencing sexual abuse.
Oh, my God. That makes my stomach turn. Yeah, there was like tissues that I don't know exactly how all of that works, but it became evident in her vaginal tissue.
It's usually like damaged tissues. Yeah, exactly.
Inflamed or damaged. That makes my, it literally makes my stomach sick.
At seven years old. Oh, baby. Baby. That's a baby.
That is a baby. Yeah. So at that point, Barbara was ready to get out of this.
Like, there was so much fucking going on in that house.
She had her hands full with six kids. She was babysitting other kids to make ends meet.
She wanted out of this. She started saving money of her own and she started like planning a new life with her children away from Mike. because I think she was scared of him.
Good for her. Unfortunately, that never happened because Barbara got diagnosed with lung and bone cancer.
And aggressive cancer at that. Man. While Barbara was going through radiation, Mike moved the family to a place called Reading in California.
And he told everyone he was doing this because there was better doctors out there.
But friends and family argue that, no, there were actually better doctors where they were in Phoenix.
Yeah, I mean, that would make sense, I would think.
So... Well, and also even just like in such a scary time in Barbara's life, why would you move her away from all her friends and family?
Well, that's the thing. That's a very intense time.
As we know, we have a mother who's going through cancer. treatments and that's a really intense time and you need to be surrounded by people you love yeah you need to be as comfortable as possible surrounded by people.
You don't need to be moving to another place in the midst of that.
And moving in general is like, how do you even move when you have fucking cancer?
Moving when you are perfectly healthy is the worst.
It's one of the most stressful events. It literally is.
And then add on cancer to that. And six children.
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Well, a lot of people felt like Mike was isolating Barbara. to like just like a control thing like part of the only have me and these kids like that's all you have yep once you take away everything around the person you can go you don't have anything else i'm all you got right So toward the end of Barbara's life, people remember Mike belittling her and being pretty unsympathetic in general because he was upset that she was going to leave him with all these kids.
Like it was her fucking choice or something.
And can you imagine you are struggling at the end of your life with cancer and the person that's supposed to love you and take care of you is...
Making you feel bad for having cancer? Yeah.
Like, wow. Already a shit stain. Wow. Just wait.
That just, like, hurts my heart for her.
Me too. It really does. It's just so sad.
It's awful. That's such a that must be like such a time where you feel so alone anyways.
Yeah. And then to have like somebody there like trying to help you, I'm sure is like all you need, but you already feel alone.
And then to have somebody there that doesn't want to help you, it's like...
Oh my god. That just must be the pits of despair.
Honestly. And then it's like all these kids are going through... losing their mother in this horrific way because cancer fucking sucks.
It's awful. And they're losing their mother in this horrific way and And now they're having to deal with this guy who doesn't give a shit and is only concerned with what he's going to have to deal with after she's dead.
Exactly. Like, what? Yeah. He allegedly started looking for another woman to remarry and help with the children.
He started talking about Barbara's sister, Lynette, and focusing in on her as if he actually... or excuse me, as he had actually with some of his previous sister-in-laws.
Like, yo, this is not like a line of succession, bro.
No. Like, one doesn't just move into the spot after one leaves.
Well, Lynette was married. Yeah. Yeah. So that wasn't going to work anyways.
But he had a history of doing this. Actually, if you listen to Sarah Turney, she has a podcast that I'll talk about more toward the end.
But She goes into depth with like all the different various family members and everything.
I didn't want to go too crazy into it because it's her family and it's her story to tell.
Yeah. I kind of just wanted to tell like the surface of it all.
Good call for sure. Yeah. And you guys should follow her on Twitter because she is constantly getting her sister's case out there i actually just retweeted something of hers on my personal twitter yeah so go follow her guys definitely um i'll i'll pull up her twitter handle at the end of this So it came out later while Sarah was digging through evidence that her father actually had sexually assaulted Lynette.
Oh my god. It was never reported because during such a crazy time, Lynette probably didn't want to cause upset in the family or anything like that, but... it allegedly did happen so he sexually assaulted the sister oh my god yeah and you can again you can hear more about that on sarah's podcast her podcast is amazing Jesus.
It also came out that Mike quit his job toward the end of Barbara's battle with cancer, knowing full well that he would lose all of his benefits, including health insurance. i i really don't know like who you're not a human being you're a monster you're a legitimate monster So unfortunately, Barbara passed away on February 28th, 1993, and Mike Turney requested that no autopsy be performed.
Which is just a little strange in my opinion.
Yeah, totally normal. Absolutely. And again, if you want to hear more about that whole beginning setup story, you really do have to go listen to Sarah's podcast.
She fills in a lot of the blanks and a lot of questions that you're going to have. um her her podcast is called voices for justice oh yeah i have heard of that i've been meaning to listen to that it's really good i'm glad i have that to listen to right after this i know So now I'm going to skip forward a little bit and tell you about May 27th, 2001.
Alyssa was 17 and Sarah was 12. It was the last day of school for kids in Arizona.
But Alyssa got picked up from school early and unfortunately disappeared later that day and still to this day has never been seen or heard from again.
Like I said, her sister Sarah is now a huge advocate for Alyssa.
She hosts the podcast Voices for Justice, like I said before.
If you want like a wildly informative deep dive and firsthand accounts like phone calls, Mike Turney is even on the podcast via phone call.
You need to go listen to it. But here's the rest of the story from like my understanding of what everything that I've listened to.
So Alyssa was picked up early from school in Arizona on May 27th, 2001 by her stepfather, Mike.
Alyssa and Sarah were the only two kids left in the house, and Mike was apparently crazy strict with Alyssa. like claiming that she needed to be more protected and looked after because she had learning disabilities. which was not true.
He even went as far as to sue the school and set up an IEP for her Because he wanted her to join the classes for kids with learning disabilities.
What the hell is the end game here? But the teachers were like, she was like an average student.
Like there was no indication that she had any learning disability whatsoever.
So it's like, why? Why? Right. The school informed him that if Alyssa did join these specific classes, that she would have to ride the bus with the children who also had learning disabilities.
Meaning she wouldn't be able to be on the bus with all her friends from her other classes where she was doing just fine.
Well, and that's the thing. And it's like, there's just no reason for this.
It's like, if she had learning disabilities, sure. right then yeah like let's give the extra attention but if she doesn't and the school was like no she doesn't and they're like we kind of do this whole thing where we're a school kind of our job we kind of know about this.
It's like our forte. It's kind of like our thing.
I mean, to me, it seems like he got some weird enjoyment out of making it seem like Alyssa wasn't as smart as her other siblings.
Yeah, kind of like just making it so that she had negative attention on her.
Right. Well, and again, it's some kind of isolation.
Like you're taking her away from her friends.
You're putting her in these classes where she doesn't need to be.
Oh, that's a good point. That really is another. abusive form of isolation absolutely and it's just like fucked up yeah um according to sarah Alyssa's sister, Mike made these big charts that were rules for Alyssa that he hung up in the house to quote, remind Alyssa since he said she had issues with her memory.
Okay, this shit is weird. It's so weird.
It's like so uncomfortable. Because even if like you have multiple children and one or two of them like needs more attention. you make it so all of them you blend together yeah like you don't make it so obvious that one of them needs this special attention or needs to be told because they're not as you know on the ball as the other one right like it just seems like even if this was the case which it's obviously not right That would be the complete wrong way to go about this.
100%. Because you're making her feel like an outsider.
Again, isolation. Well, and that's exactly what I said.
I was like, to me, it sounds like he just wanted to isolate her from her family too.
Yeah. And what better way to do that? And bring down her self-esteem.
Oh yeah, 100%. There's like videos of, and he claims that no one was allowed to use the word stupid or idiot or anything like that.
And then there's fucking home videos. Of him going, Alyssa's a stupid moron.
And she turns around in the video and calls him a pervert.
Good for her, man. Which is very, very interesting.
You don't just call your father figure a pervert.
No, not at all. For no good reason. No. Something was going on.
He also surveilled Alyssa during basically every moment of her life, especially when she became a teenager.
Ew. Mike made it seem like Alyssa was like this crazy wild child who did drugs, skipped class, stayed out late.
But her sister Sarah said that she was pretty typical for a teen.
Like she tried smoking weed and maybe drank here and there.
But it was just like experimenting. She was 17 years old.
Which of us didn't try like some alcohol at that point?
She wasn't Jasmine Richardson. No, she wasn't like blowing lines and fucking hanging out at the strip club.
Like she was just living her 17 year old life.
Yeah. It's exactly what I was doing at 17.
Mike didn't feel the same he had video cameras set up and vents around the house to keep tabs on her no wrong no yeah i mean my kids are gonna have like gps trackers on them but i'm not gonna survey them no I'm not going to watch them do anything.
He had a system that recorded All the phone calls, like I said, that went in the home or out, like, ingoing or outgoing phone calls.
It surveyed everything. That's insane. And he even went as far as to follow her to her job at the Jack in the Box and tape her there.
What would be the purpose of that? I like to make sure that she was there, but it's like, why are you like, you can go and make sure she's there.
You don't have to videotape it. It's one thing to be like, I don't know if she's going to her job.
Like, whatever. Kids do stupid shit. And you want to make sure she's going to her job every day and you follow and be like, okay, she got there.
She's in there. Why the fuck are you videotaping?
She's already there. She's there. She's there.
That's it. And there's videos of it online and it's like chilling as fuck.
Sheila's like, like she'll be doing something and she'll see him, I think.
And she goes like away, like out of camera frame.
Which is crazy. Crazy, because that makes it seem like that was so normalized to her, that behavior, like he just films me.
Well, if you go... This is just what happens.
Like, that's fucked. If you watch the video, it's fucking terrifying because at the end, she comes out of the Jack in the Box and she's like...
Dad, like you got me in trouble. And he's like, what do you mean?
And her manager was like, your dad can't do that. she was like, you know, like, I told him, like, you're just excited because it's my first job.
Like, okay, let me drive. Like, this was so fucking normal to her.
Like, super casual. Like, yeah, I just told them that you were filming me for this reason.
Right. But we all know why. It's like...
No. No. Not normal at all. Fucked up. No.
Horrible that you had to grow up that way.
Like, so sad. This poor girl. You know, all these kids, these poor kids.
It's awful. It kind of reminds me of the Susan Powell case with the videotaping.
Yeah. I was actually thinking about that.
Yeah, it's weird. So back to the last day of school.
Mike picks up Sarah from Paradise Valley High School early, but never told anybody that he planned to pick her up early.
He later says that he picked up Alyssa early per her request because she was planning to break up with her boyfriend that day and was avoiding him in the meantime.
That wasn't true because she had plans later that day to go to a party and her boyfriend was going to be there.
So it's like, no. And when she was leaving school, she ducked her head into his classroom and was like, oh, I'm leaving early.
Like, see you later. Yeah, so that doesn't make any sense.
They were fine. Yeah, she wasn't, she was clearly not trying to avoid him.
No, and anyone who knew them said it's just not true.
She and her boyfriend were doing completely fine.
So Mike says that he took Alyssa to lunch and that they got into an argument about her wanting more leniency with the rules and And this is so gross.
He said something along the lines of, you have to live by daddy's rules or daddy will be a nervous wreck.
Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. Gross, gross, gross.
It just doesn't sound right in that context.
I hate it. According to Mike, Alyssa didn't like this answer and when they got home, she stormed into her room and he left to pick up his other daughter, Sarah.
Now, Sarah... who reminds you was 12 years old.
She went to like a water park for the last day of school and she was supposed to be picked up by her dad. okay like i don't know if she was supposed to be picked up at the water park or school but he was supposed to be there at a certain time to pick her up doesn't show That's fucked.
Doesn't show up to pick her up. Are you kidding?
So she's, like, hella confused when he didn't... In 12.
In 12. When he didn't show up to pick her up, but she was in seventh grade, so she went to hang out with her friends and smoke cigarettes, because...
That's what you do when your parents forget about you.
Yeah. Trust me, I'm an expert. She remembers being really nervous when she did get into his car when he finally did fucking pick her up.
Because she was nervous that he was going to smell cigarettes on her.
And it was, like, a number one rule in their house that, like, no smoking was allowed.
Because their mom had died of cancer. But he was too preoccupied.
He didn't notice at all. He was telling her about him and Alyssa's fight and how he was worried because she wasn't picking up the phone.
He had Sarah call Alyssa multiple times, but Alyssa never answered.
So when they get back home, Sarah runs to Alyssa's room, finds it a fucking mess, which was... completely unlike Alyssa.
Like she was very neat. I don't know if it was like the rules, but like she was very neat and tidy. um her backpack was open everything that was previously inside the backpack was strewn about on the floor and And a note was left for them, 100% in Alyssa's very distinct handwriting.
The note said... wasn't dated by the way the note is not dated okay but it does say dad and sarah when you dropped me off at school today i decided that i really am going to california sarah you said you didn't want me around look you got it i'm gone that's why i saved my money dad i took 300 from you alissa but that was not dated Not dated, which I think is important.
Yeah. I'll get to that later. Yeah, because I have a thought.
I have a theory. So they call her... I have a theory.
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So they call her cell again and they realize that it's sitting on her dresser.
So wherever she ran off to, she didn't bring her cell phone.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Or her makeup or her hairbrush or her fucking school shit.
She left with nothing. So literally everything was left.
Everything was left. Like toothbrush, all that.
Everything. She didn't have anything on her.
Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. No toothbrush, no hairbrush, no nothing.
Also, she had a bank account set up and in the bank account was eighteen hundred dollars.
Which, personally, in my mind, that's a lot of money for a 17-year-old to save up.
I was just going to say, good for her, saving that much money.
She didn't take a penny of it. Yeah. And it was remained untouched until I think Mike touched it at some point, but it was remained untouched from like any outside source.
Okay, that's usually a bad sign. Yeah. And while we're on that point, why would she have taken $300 from Mike if she had $1,800 of her own?
Exactly. Right. Or is that just to set up why that bank account isn't being touched?
Right. Just putting it out there. Yep, exactly.
So Mike called the police and he told them about Alyssa while he was being calm, cool and collected.
He didn't make it seem like a big deal, just that she had run away, left a note and was probably going to head to California to stay with her aunt. which had originally been her plan for the summer.
She was supposed to go out and stay with her maternal aunt, But then I don't know if Mike said like she couldn't or if they were still working on that.
But something fell through. Yes. So no formal search party went looking for Alyssa that night.
No Amber Alert was put out. She just vanished and law enforcement seemed to accept the fact that she was a runaway.
That always makes me insane. Like she's a 17 year old girl.
And no matter what. So what if you're wrong and she did run away?
Expend all the resources. And have her tell you that herself.
Exactly. I would rather them overreact than underreact.
And when they underreact, it goes up my ass sideways because it's like she's a 17 year old.
Sure, she could be a runaway, but overreact. expend all the resources because you know what it's like well okay we spent all that money in that time and here she is right it's better than being like well she's probably fine and then having somebody murder her exactly Drives me nuts.
So back to the note. It makes a lot of people wonder if there was no date on it.
If she wrote it at a different time... and then never acted on leaving.
That's what I wondered. And maybe Mike found it and saved it and used it to his advantage.
Or maybe someone made her write that note.
Like, in the midst of whatever was going on.
Yeah, I could believe both of those things. things the first one makes me feel like she because with all the shit going on in that house i could see her suddenly being like you know what today's the day i'm leaving yep 100% writing that never giving it and then Mike finds it because he's in all her shit anyways and then just holding on to it thinking this is a perfect Perfect little alibi.
Yep. Because he's a douchebag. Woof. So about a week after Alyssa quote ran away, Mike called the police and said that he had received a phone call from Alyssa.
He said the phone call was scrambled and that when he said, is this you Alyssa?
She replied with a few cuss words, said leave me alone and then hung up the phone.
Convenient. Why would she even bother calling if that's all she was going to say?
And it's like, if this all went down the way he's saying it did, that they just had a disagreement over, you know... like the rules being slacked a little.
Is this really how it's going to go down?
Right. She's going to call you from a scrambled random phone and be like, you know, Like, beep, beep, beep.
Leave me alone. Like, no. It doesn't make any sense.
It's not a proportionate response. No. Well, according to him, he told the police what happened and he asked them if they could trace the call and they were like, nope, sorry, can't help you.
Oh, good. He says the police were no help at all to him. and that he had to take Alyssa's case on himself to hopefully figure out what had happened to her.
Interesting side note. Mike himself had been a police deputy in the 70s.
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Well, and so you would think that the police would be eager to help him, like a fellow policeman.
Absolutely, one of their own, of course.
Right. But apparently they weren't. Also, keep in mind, maybe Mike just knew all the right things to say to make it seem to the police like this was just a runaway case.
That's all it was. Somebody who is a former law enforcement officer would know these things.
Yep. But then he knew that to everybody else he had to make it look like he was this grieving father and he was so upset and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Of course. And that's what Sarah believed.
She said whenever he spoke to the police, it was brief.
And he really harped on the runaway thing but then when he talked to family members or friends he played the card of the grieving father and said he thought something awful happened to Alyssa.
And how convenient of a former police officer knowing that by using that the old the police are no help, they're not doing anything thing.
People are going to go, oh, of of course exactly people are going to believe that because he knows as a former police officer himself he's probably dealt with it with people underestimating what you do So it's just the way it goes.
Very convenient. Yep. He has all the fucking ins and outs.
He does. So back to that phone call that happened a week after Alyssa vanished.
Yes, I'm interested. Mike actually ends up he's been in like a crazy amount of lawsuits and this is just another one.
He ends up suing the phone company to figure out where the call had been made from.
And interestingly enough, it did turn out that the call really did come from a payphone in Riverside County, California.
Okay. So that is weird. That's very weird.
Nothing really ever comes of that. Oh. It's just like a weird kind of thing that happened, but...
And that's odd. You'd think that would be, like, really harped on.
Mm-hmm. Mike says that after that, he went out there and handed out flyers of Alyssa, asked if anybody knew anything, but no one in California or Arizona had any answers for him.
Okay. So the case really was at a dead end from basically when it fucking started until 2006.
Okay. And finally, 2006, the Turney family thought that they were going to get some answers.
Oh, shit. What happened? A man already serving a life sentence in prison for murder confessed to killing Alyssa. oh jesus so this man's name was thomas hymer um his nickname was apparently psycho Oh, that's very casual.
Awesome. He was arrested in Georgia for the murder of Sandra Lee Goodman who was 30 years old.
Her body had been found, unfortunately, under a bed at a motel in Fort Lauderdale.
Oh, boy. I feel like that's very familiar.
I may know that case. You might, yeah. She had been stabbed in the neck and strangled.
That is psycho. Yeah, psycho as fuck. When they arrested Thomas Hymer, who was 26 at the time of this murder, he was driving her car.
So that's just a little side note to that.
Dumb criminal of the century. Yeah, he doesn't seem very smart.
Yeah. So after being sentenced to a life... Sorry.
After being sentenced to life in prison, Heimer convinced... confessed to killing 21 women.
Oh my god. He also, this isn't funny, but it's fucked up.
He once confessed to killing J.C. Dugard.
Who is alive and well. And it's like, uh, sir?
Wrong. Wrong. I go, but obviously that was untrue.
Yes, that is very untrue. All right, so we can't really take... everything that Psycho says as Bible here.
So when he confesses to killing Alyssa, detectives say, What exactly happened that night?
And also they show Hymer a lineup of women where he does successfully point out Alyssa's picture.
So he claimed that he and Alyssa met and that they'd had sex in some hotel. and that she had, quote, unusual sexual traits.
She was a heroin addict. I hate this already.
He said she was a heroin addict. And after he murdered her, he disposed of her body in a way that ensured that she would never be found.
He dismembered her in a bathtub and dumped her body in some like recycled place.
Holy shit. Yeah. He also claimed that he stole jewelry off of her and gifted it to some of his ex-girlfriends.
So the detectives start talking to people to confirm that there was... Sorry.
Detectives start talking to people and they confirm that there was absolutely no way Alyssa was a heroin addict.
First of all, she's under surveillance 24 fucking 7.
Absolutely. Her dad would 100% know if... she was on heroin yep there was no marks on her arms she had plenty of friends like everyone was like that's ridiculous yeah there's no way Yeah.
I feel like somebody in your life would know.
Yeah. That's not. They spoke to her boyfriend and he was like, nope, she has no unusual sexual traits.
That's not true. And then they speak to Heimer's ex-girlfriends and none of them remember receiving any kind of jewelry from him.
All right, so this guy is like a Henry Lee Lucas, honest tool kind of bullshitter that just decides to make shit up.
Yeah, 100% because, you know, prison's boring, I guess.
Yeah, fuck those guys. So detectives decide to give Hymer a polygraph, which he fails.
And when detectives zero in on him, he changes his story and he's like, you know what?
Maybe it wasn't Alyssa that I killed after all.
That probably wasn't it. And police think that he must have seen her picture. in the newspaper before all of this and that's why he was able to identify her.
That makes sense. I was wondering if that was a possibility.
The only good thing about this is that it kind of sheds a little bit more light on this case and it kind of gets things going again.
Yeah, that's true. Because it's been five years of nothing.
And then this happens. So detectives start talking more and more to Alyssa's friends and family.
And while talking to them, they find a little more out about Mike and Alyssa's dynamic.
They find out about the surveillance in the home, the monitored phone calls, etc.
And then Mike actually sends them videos he had of Alyssa making out with her boyfriend on the couch.
I hate that so much. Like, why do you have those videos?
That's such a private... thing that is creepy as fuck and why are you it's just so weird so you're literally just voyeuristically watching her make out with her boyfriend right And in my opinion, he probably gave them to the police to be like, look at her boyfriend.
Like, maybe that's where answers lie. Look, she has a boyfriend.
Right. As a former law enforcement officer, he knows that's one of the first places you look as the boyfriend.
When the police asked him about the surveillance from the day that Alyssa went missing, guess what Mike said?
Don't have that. He reviewed it already himself and there was nothing suspicious on the tape.
So he was not going to give it to them. Oh, good.
Okay. Yeah. Totally. That's fine. We trust you.
No big deal. Absolutely. It's totally fine.
Wow. Essentially, everyone in the Turney family was telling everything they knew to the police.
And they were trying their hardest to get Alyssa found, except for Mike.
He wouldn't fucking say anything. He was just shutting shit down.
Yep. Even Alyssa's friends and boyfriend, John Lackman, were being cooperative. during an interview with the boyfriend john lackman um the police find out that maybe there was some kind of sexual abuse going on in the home John tells them that Alyssa once told him about a time when she was younger where Mike picked her up early from school.
Oh. i'm already upset about drove out to some unoccupied area and tried to quote fool around with her oh my god but she got aggressive with him and somehow got out of it good for her He also tells police that Mike had once taken him aside to tell him that Alyssa was cheating on him.
Whoa, that's some jealous shit. Yup. And that was one of the only significant fights that he and Alyssa had ever been in.
Why would your fucking dad pull your significant other aside to tell you that like, oh, my daughter is cheating on you?
Like, even if that was the truth. What the hell?
Right. Like your dad isn't supposed to be the one doing that.
No, exactly not. What? But one, he was probably jealous.
Oh, 100%. Two, wanted to cause some kind of tension to break them up.
Yep. Three, isolating her more. yep that is 100% what it was he's a fucking terrifying individual holy shit So with all this information, the police tried to start kind of talking more and more to Mike, but it's clear that he has some kind of paranoia when it comes to speaking to police.
I wonder why. Yeah, it's so weird. He'll communicate like here and there via email.
Because that's controlled. Yep. But it's nearly impossible to get anything out of him face to face.
That's not shocking at all. Something he does tell them strikes them as odd.
In the 80s, he tells them that he worked in a union as an electrician.
And during this time working here, he filed some kind of complaint about like unsafe or unfit working conditions, and he eventually leaves.
But like throughout his whole life, he's always talked about this union and acted like they had some kind of vendetta against him.
So he says maybe this union has something to do with Alyssa's disappearance.
Ah. And at that point, it becomes clear to police that they're dealing with some kind of personality disorder or emotional disorder.
Yeah. Yeah. And just the fact that the fact that Mike surveilled every last space of his home inside, outside, phone, fucking everywhere was had surveillance.
It's so weird. And just the fact that he had to know where Alyssa was at every waking moment.
Yeah. It tells them, like, this whole different story. different story because that's like that's way beyond like even helicopter parenting you know I mean like it's one thing you of course want to know where your kid is Using surveillance on them at all times.
And to hide it in the vents. Is real beyond.
Real beyond. And it paints a totally different picture than the one that Mike wanted to portray of himself.
He wanted to be like, I'm this single father.
I'm a widower. I'm so sad. Like, blah, blah, blah.
But that wasn't what it was. No. I mean, your kids do come into this world with a right to privacy.
Yeah, you do. Of some sort. It's like, of course you want to know what your kids are doing.
I'm going to want to know what my kids are doing at all times.
But they do have a reasonable right to privacy in this world. to give them some kind of leeway or else they're gonna it's gonna blow up in your face or it's you know you're gonna see stuff you don't want to see right it's like You don't want to watch them making out with their boyfriend.
No. What part of you wants to fucking see that?
You just got to trust that they're being smart, you know, like you got to teach them things and then let them loose and hope that you did the right thing.
Right, exactly. Why? Mike wasn't interested in that part.
No, apparently not. So the police actually reached out at one point to a forensic psychologist, and that... psychologist agreed that Mike absolutely had some kind of personality disorder or emotional disorder.
Yeah, it seems it. In 2008, police get a search warrant for the Turney home, hoping they can get some kind of audio or video footage that will finally get them answers. but they had no fucking idea what they were going to find.
Oh my god. They did know that Mike had a lot of firearms like he was into firearms so they did bring a SWAT team thank god Oh, jeez.
So their plan was to detain him, get what they needed to get out of the home, like documents, footage, whatever.
Maybe some handwriting samples and DNA from Mike.
Simple. Yeah. Nope. No. They go out to the tourney home.
Mike is walking to the mailbox. They detain him and on his person find two pistols, seven magazines, and a knife.
Isn't that what you take to the mailbox every day?
Literally just on his person. Like, that's... well you never know what you'll encounter on your way to the eighth of mailbox like that is paranoia to the nth degree shit You are getting your mail.
I walk around with mace on my keys and I thought that was pretty intense.
Half the time I forget to put my fucking keys in between my fingers in a parking garage.
Like Mike. That's a lot. What is going on?
So they go inside to see what's inside. I bet they wish they hadn't because...
It is insane in the house. There's like shit strewn everywhere.
It's like a fucking mess. And they find 19 guns. two silencers, 26 pipe bombs, and a manifesto entitled The Diary of a Madman Martyr.
Yeah, I'd say something's going on here.
Yup. Seems dark. So if that wasn't enough, they also found strange documents that were signed by Alyssa. oh no stating that mike had never physically or sexually assaulted her yeah nope Like this is real bad.
He had written up all these. And apparently this was something that he did.
Like he wrote up things and made people sign them.
And he wrote up this document stating that he had never physically or sexually abused Alyssa and her initials are next to it.
Like, he made her fucking sign it. I am willing to bet that was signed under duress.
Oh, 100%. I'm willing to put a lot of money on that.
100%. Yeah. And it's like... Oh, that's horrifying.
Can you imagine this? Would you ever, ever feel the need to write that?
If you didn't do anything? Why the hell would you ever need your kid to sign something saying you didn't do anything?
You wouldn't. At all. This would never even enter your realm of being.
And that's like another example. There's another example of him doing something like that where it's like you don't need to do that if you didn't do anything.
He also had at one point I didn't write this whole thing down.
I'm just kind of talking from what I remember.
He had called CPS and warned them that like Alyssa was going to file some kind of complaint.
Oh, that's bad. If she did that, like it wasn't true. yeah see anytime that shit is going on it's like yeah that needs to be looked into man way it's just so weird you just think of like this this environment man these poor kids i can't imagine They also, in Mike's bedroom, find a shit ton of bondage porn videos.
And I think one of the scariest discoveries that they find... is a snuff video which had been edited to loop over one specific scene like four times.
In the scene, a woman is bound, gagged, and killed on camera.
Oh my, like a legit snuff film? A legit snuff film.
Holy shit. And, like, it is, he edited it so that it's looped.
That very scene is looped four times. So he would just watch it over and over and over.
Okay, guys, I mean. Like, other than the pure fact that you're watching someone to get, like, to get off being murdered.
Like, that's what you're doing? It's, like, everyone has fetishes and we would never fetish shame because, like...
You do you as long as you're not hurting.
Live your best life. As long as you're in a consensual situation where nobody is...
Murder is not consensual. But getting off to murder, like actual murder, watching somebody being murdered and getting off to it. you have to watch it over and over again that's a problem you're fucked in the head you need to talk to somebody if that shit is your shit you need to talk to somebody please Because that's... You're going to end up hurting somebody.
Yeah, that's a sign. When you get... Because think about it.
It's like Ted Bundy, all these sexual sadists.
Yeah. They got off on... watching somebody dying or dead it's not okay the fact that that even exists in the world like makes my heart hurt that's scary So other than the fact that that's just in and of itself horrible.
Because again, bondage and all that, that's totally fine.
We're not saying that's weird at all. No.
You do you. That's fine. As long as nobody's getting murdered in your porn, live your life.
Snuff films? Totally different situation.
Not okay. That's fucked. Fucked up. Yeah.
I stand by that. I will never, I will never move from the podium of snuff films are not okay.
I'm willing to say that. Everything else, as long as nobody's getting murdered or like hurt in your. whatever you're watching to serve your duties live your life it's all consensual and all that fun stuff So if that wasn't enough in and of itself that there was that video there.
God, I didn't know this. Alyssa had told her friends that she one time woke up. tied to a chair, gagged, and that mic was on top of her.
I, my heart just stopped. Yep. That's horrific.
And then if that's not enough. Oh my God, this poor child.
There's also a story where Mike's nephew, David, had been staying with the family between 1998 and 1999. and he was staying with them so we got home from work one night and popped in a video to the what's it called a vhs player yeah yeah I had to ask Annie.
I was like, what is that called? And that's what she said.
And I was like, no, that doesn't sound right.
There's the generational difference right there.
I'm like, what's that thing that played videos?
I feel like an idiot. So he pops it into the VHS.
It's labeled Dr. Doolittle. Oh, no. And it wasn't Dr. Doolittle?
Nope. Oh. He was horrified to see what he was pretty sure was Alyssa lying on the couch with nothing but shorts on and her face covered with a newspaper.
Yeah. I hate this so much. And then another clip directly after that of another woman in the same position with her face covered. and mike sitting in the room just sitting in the room just sitting in the room that's not dr doolittle uh david packed his shit up that night and left good he was like david fuck that goodbye because you know what i would do the exact same thing And then I would call the fucking police.
Well, I think he tried to, and I think... I don't know what he tried to do, but...
He told people. Get out of there. And Mike was like, no, he's a drunk.
He's like, like, don't believe him. Oh, yeah, of course.
There's no doubt that Mike was going to go to that union hall and commit some kind of terrifying act of domestic terrorism.
It seems so. Yep. But was his motive actually because of Alyssa or is he just a straight up psychopath?
I would make a guess, but I'm going to let you talk.
So, and then does he actually believe that this union hall has something to do with Alyssa's disappearance?
Why is he just coming out with this seven years after she's gone missing?
Yeah, that's what doesn't make sense. If you really thought that they had something to do with her disappearance, you would have said that seven years ago.
Absolutely. And done anything in your power to get your supposed like daughter home.
Immediately you would have said that. So according to him, according to Mike.
There were no bombs in his home, only fireworks and things to make a loud noise for when he blew his own head off.
No, I don't think so. Let me make myself a victim now.
I was planning on just killing myself. He says the police planted all the bombs in his home to frame him.
He also apparently at one point said that he was going to the Union Hall to kill himself.
Not to harm anyone else. And the reason he was going to do this was to bring attention to Alyssa's case.
I feel like there's better ways to do that.
Yeah, like, okay, buddy. That's not what you were going to do.
I don't know. I feel like that whole martyr thing is definitely fitting very well for him.
Yeah. One thing that like really sent chills down my spine is there's this part in 2020 documentary where Mike is being confronted about all the allegations of sexual abuse and For one thing, he looks to the side a lot when people when he's asked a question.
That's very telling. And like, yes, I understand.
People react differently in situations. But if you're looking to the sides and you have this smirk on your face, you're a fucking liar.
And also, you're not giving people any reason to believe you when you're acting shifty.
But he says, And I'm sitting here and all I can say until hell freezes over is I didn't do a damn thing to my daughter. to me the way he words it is like I'm here to tell you And Alyssa can't because I fucking took care of that.
Yeah. I made it so she can't be here to tell you.
And it's just the way that he says it. It's like... no, like he's like, I'm here.
Alyssa's not. And technically Alyssa is not his biological daughter, correct?
No, he's not. So that was a very convenient way of wording it.
Not, I didn't do a damn thing to Alyssa.
I didn't do a damn thing to my daughter.
And it's like, maybe that's true. Maybe he didn't do a damn thing to his daughter, but.
He didn't say. Yeah. So in his mind, he might be telling the truth there.
Right. So he was sentenced to 10 years in 2010, but only served seven years of that sentence.
And that was for, like, the pipe bomb shit and everything.
Yeah. He still has never been tried in the case of Alyssa Turney's disappearance, but he does remain the main suspect or person of interest.
I know they're different. Yeah. The police are interested in him.
Yeah, the police want to talk to him. Alyssa hasn't been heard from since she disappeared and no one has ever seen her again. uh in 2003 a hiker did find bones while hiking in a desert in california strangely enough This specific area mentioned in Mike's manifesto And Sarah had found a map in the home with the coordinates of this exact area where the bones were found.
Dude. i mean they were tested but they were unable to be identified Mike's daughter, Sarah, at first believed that her father had nothing to do with Alyssa's disappearance.
But after hearing all the evidence against her father, she changed her mind.
And now she spends her time dedicated to Alyssa's case.
Like it has become her full time job. Good for her.
She was told by police that all she can do at this time is spread the word and get more people aware of this and hopefully they'll be able to do something someday.
So like I mentioned before, I listen to Sarah's podcast, Voices for Justice, which you have to listen to like yeah everybody please go listen to that i just followed it on twitter on my personal we actually already followed it on uh On the morbid.
Yeah, I saw that, but I wanted to follow it on my personal.
Yeah, it's amazing. I also watched the 2020 special.
I listened to another podcast called voice of the victim podcast.
Oh, that's a great one. And I watched two YouTube videos, which were Georgia's Midweek Mystery episode and Kendall Ray's Where Is video on Alyssa Marie Turney.
Nice. So those are my sources. You like demolished that.
Oh my God. Thanks. I tried. I was riveted.
I was just like so interested in it. It's so funny.
I was on the Discover page of Instagram one night because I like flick through.
And I thought that I was on my personal account and I was like looking for makeup videos and shit.
But actually, I was on our account and I saw this tweet and it was one of Sarah's tweets and it got me interested.
And then I started looking at her Instagram and I went down this fucking rabbit hole.
Oh, yeah. And I was like... I have to cover this case.
Because this case really is. And Sarah Turney's Twitter is Sarah.
It's at S-A-R-A-H. E-T-U-R-N-E-Y. So her name.
And it's Sarah with an H. E. Turney. Go follow her because she constantly updates this case.
Constantly. Because we follow her on Morbid and I always see it.
So yeah, go follow her. I'm wondering if they ever got a forensic anthropologist to look at those bones.
I don't know exactly what, because it's just mentioned briefly on the 2020 episode.
And I'm actually still listening to Sarah's podcast.
I haven't been able to finish it. But there are some wild things in this case.
There's a, I don't know if it's a phone call, but Sarah mentions that she spoke to her dad And that he told her if she wants to hear, um... if he's responsible or not, to be there when he dies.
Like, be next to my dad. Oh, I saw that.
And you'll get your answer. Or you'll get your answer.
That to me. That's a fucking confession.
What innocent person says that? Be at my deathbed and I'll let you know.
What innocent person says be at my deathbed and you'll get your answer?
No, an innocent person is gonna go, that is the answer.
And then there was another instance where he said he would tell them the whole story.
If law enforcement agreed to give him lethal injection within 10 days.
So you're not giving the full story. You just admitted you haven't given the full story.
Right, exactly. What the fuck? And why do you need to be killed after you give the whole fucking story?
Oh, because you did it and you don't want to rot in jail.
This is horrific. It's horrible. And it must feel so incredibly helpless.
Yeah, I can imagine. For, like, Sarah and her family and friends.
Like, they must just be sitting there just wanting to scream.
Because they know. Because they know. And it's like, what can you do?
He's just walking around free. And there's a bunch of other shit that's in this case.
You have to, have to, have to go listen to Sarah's podcast.
Yeah, everybody go listen to that because the more people who find out about this case...
Hopefully the more that can be done about it.
And hopefully law enforcement will take it.
Even more seriously. Yeah, yeah. I mean, oh, that's infuriating.
There's also, I know she's trying to raise money for billboards right now.
It's on her Twitter. Oh, okay. So if you are able to, please go donate to that.
She's not asking for a lot of money. Whatever you can donate.
No, we're totally going to donate. We're absolutely going to do it right after we stop recording.
Yeah. Because this is a case that has answers, and if law enforcement is able to reopen it or... I mean, I believe it's an open case, but...
Just give it more attention, get more people asking about it.
I mean, look what people did for Rodney Reed.
Exactly. Like, just being able to allocate more resources to it and everything.
Like, the money is going to help that. So... money attention anything we can do yeah i want to do everything so shit that was the case of the disappearance of alyssa marie tourney unbelievable ash Thanks.
You did great. You scuba'd on that one, man.
I tried to scuba. You really scuba'd. It was fun.
I don't want to say fun, like. It was so fun looking at this horrible show, but I was like, there's more, there's more.
Going down rabbit holes is fun. It's like you just keep branching off into different things.
But yeah, that's a crazy case. So everybody go follow the Twitter.
Listen to the podcast. Yes. All that good stuff.
And we can link some of it on our Instagram and Twitter and all that.
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I don't really want to do one for this case.
It doesn't feel appropriate. Yeah, no. Just not so weird that you do really bad shit.
Don't do that. It's not so weird that you're a jerkhole. yeah don't do that bye bye Thank you.
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