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So yeah, it's the holiday season and we have another holiday fucked up episode for you guys.
Speaking of the holidays. Speaking of the holidays.
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Apropos. Okay, guys. So we're, we have like a little like thing with this like company called like Murder Apparel.
We have a thing going. We've got a thing.
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So... If you go to Murder Apparel on Instagram and you click the link in their bio, it will bring you to their website. where they have a bunch of cool-ass shirts, including... They have a Christmas shirt, a Christmas sweater...
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We love murder apparel. And we are actually going to be wearing our morbid Christmas sweatshirts. to our family Christmas Eve and Christmas because we are those people.
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I wear murder all the time. I wear a morbid shirt like all the time.
I do too. I love wearing my morbid shirts.
I don't care how pretentious it is. I know, but I'm like, is that pretentious?
Probably, but. you know what it is murder apparel does such a good job of designing amazing shirts for morbid that i want to wear them And we have merch, too.
We sure do. Well, I'll update that in the show notes.
Like, I write the show notes. And if anybody has placed an order already, they are on their way to you.
John has been working around the clock. to get those out um and hopefully soon we won't have to like do all this from my living room so you know maybe this will get more streamlined soon so stay tuned for that streamlined streamlined i was hoping you would just let that go i knew you were gonna hope that but guess what here i am I'm so hype.
You are. You know what else is hype? I was just going to say, I'm so hype to tell you.
About our shows. I was like, what do you have to tell me about?
I'm so hyped to tell you. Guys, we have shows.
We have. One show in New York at the Gramercy Theater that's fucking sold the fuck out.
So see all of you beautiful weirdos there.
Yeah, yeah. We have, I'm going to try to do them in chronological order.
No, I'm not. then we have another show in oh dc and philly are next so we have one show in washington dc one show in philly those are in april Those are in April.
Then in May, we have two shows in one night.
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Podcast Row. I can't believe I'm saying that out loud.
I hope. one of those days, like, when we're not on podcast row.
Like, if we're just there an extra day, we get to go to Harry Potter World.
Yeah. Anyways, I'm more excited for Podcast Row.
Yeah, me too. But I would be super psyched.
But it would complete the whole trip if I got to have some buttlebeel. oh hell yeah and like go to hagrid's house hell yeah i want to go um to um hogwarts Why am I broken?
The main fucking thing. You are truly broken.
The main fucking thing in Harry Potter. I'm like, what's that place called?
You know what I want to do. Hogwarts. That's going to be really cool.
I can't wait to do that. Oh, shit. All right, guys.
I think it's time to dive into these cases.
Oh, yeah. I said cases. Oh, yeah. I forgot that you were doing... That's right.
How many? I'm doing two. Okay. Whoa, that's right.
I picked, I couldn't decide between a couple of cases and they were smaller cases.
So I was like, you know what? Let's give them two.
It's the holiday season. Happy holidays.
So boop-a-doo. Happy holidays. Let me tell you about murder.
Let me tell you about murder. So the first one I'm going to do... These are pretty rough, too.
So just... I feel like someone in an iTunes review is going to be like, they celebrated the holiday season by talking about murder.
And I'll be like, yes, I did. People will be like, You're in the wrong section.
Guilty as charged. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
So yeah, these are terrible. We're not celebrating it.
Just putting it out there. The first one is the murder of Silvestri Diaz Hernandez.
Silvestri? Silvestri. That's a cool name.
I know. And he seems like a cool guy. It sounds like Sylvester.
It does, but it's not. Yeah. So this happened in Chicago on December 24th, 2013.
Alexis Valdez was 18 years old. He had moved in six months prior to this incident with his aunt, who is not named anywhere.
I could not find her name. She's in the witness protection program.
Yeah, I don't know if she just doesn't want to be named, but didn't find her name and that's fine.
So he moved in with her and her boyfriend, 41-year-old Silvestri Diaz Hernandez.
Okay, I see the connection. There it is.
They all shared an apartment together and Alexis was allowed to live with them as long as he went to school, he worked, and he maintained a job. to help contribute to everything needed to run a household.
He was living there for free as an 18-year-old adult. you know like rent and food and such it's standard apparently he just stopped working And just expected to have like a free ride.
So his aunt and her boyfriend told him, you got to find another place to live.
Yeah, you're not contributing to the household.
Bye. We asked one thing of you and it wasn't, you know, we're not even like really charging you rent.
We're just asking that you contribute. That's all.
And you're not even doing that. Well, he was pissed because he's a little shit who felt entitled to live off of other people's hard earned lives.
Obviously. Perfect. so on Christmas Eve 2013 he reached a boiling point with his rage at having to be an adult and take responsibility for his own life it does suck Yeah, totally.
His aunt was out at a holiday party and he started drinking heavily.
Oh. As one does when 18 and facing eviction because of becoming unemployed.
Right. I don't recall that time. So now Diaz, Diaz Hernandez, the boyfriend comes home after hanging out with his family.
He sees that Alexis has drank all the beer in the house.
He sees that Alexis is shitfaced. Literally. and he's like dude seriously so he takes him and Alexis go out to the store and get more beer because he's like you just drank all my beer I'm going to go get more.
Yeah. Alexis is like, I'll go with you. Now, before they left for this excursion, Alexis hid a hammer.
Next to the door. The door of the house?
Yes. Okay. Now, why'd he do that? To kill the guy with.
When the pair returned back to the apartment, Alexis suddenly grabbed the hammer and violently smashed Sylvester's head in several times with it.
Oh my lord. He bludgeoned him until he was dead and after making sure he had beat him to death with the hammer, he started dismembering his body.
Jesus Christ. Oh, Christ. It escalated so quickly.
Oh, it escalates real quickly. This gets worse.
I don't know how, but it does. Now, he did what I always hate hearing in these cases.
Does it have to do with teeth? No, no, no.
But I've mentioned this before. He plays really loud music to conceal the noise of all of this.
And I like, I hate that. I don't like it at all.
Like, the chaos factor of that stresses me out so much whenever I hear about... Because a lot of these, like, asshole serial killers and murderers do that.
Like, they'll... Except they usually do it when the person's alive and they're just like... It's like a torture thing.
It's just more like psychological like... fucking with somebody, and I hate it.
That always stresses me out in a case. Me too.
Silvestri, unfortunately, was already dead when this happened, but...
So Alexis did play loud music to conceal all the noises and he covered all the windows up so that he could work slowly and methodically.
He used a butcher knife and a saw to remove Diaz Hernandez's ear, nose, and his lips. ah his lips yep i know i'm upset about everything but i don't that really upset yeah it's just weird It's a weird move.
I want chapstick now. He then used his bare hands... to pluck both of his eyes out before cutting off his head, removing his arms, and gutting him from groin to sternum.
That made my eyeballs hurt. Yep. I'm closing my eyes right now.
Oh, it gets worse. It gets worse. He then placed Sylvester's head, ears, and nose on his aunt's bed because, as he said, he wanted to leave her a Christmas present.
I saw that when I was taking the papers out of the printer, and that's the only part that I saw, and I was like, Oh, fuck, I can't read anymore because I just spoiler alerted myself.
I just spoiler alerted myself. Yep, he left his head and several other body parts on.
His girlfriend, his aunt's bed as a present.
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So once he became tired, because that's exhausting.
That's a lot of work. Yeah. In his own words, he decided to call 911 at this point.
And now it was Christmas Day at around 2.05 a.m. at this point.
That's really sad. So he called 911 and said he wanted to report a dead body.
The dispatchers asked if he attempted or was willing to attempt CPR on the person and he said, oh no, and literally laughed out loud.
The dispatcher literally said he laughed out loud and said, no, the person doesn't have a head anymore.
Oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yep. Can you imagine being, I don't know how 911 dispatchers do what they do.
Like, what do you say to that? You're like, oh, okay.
I hang up. Thanks for the information. So the police show up and Alexis is outside on the porch holding an iPad and he's covered in blood.
And he's just like, hey, bros, like. Wicked nonchalant and casual.
They immediately ask him what's going on and if he's the one who called 911.
Yeah. And according to the report, he said, quote, shouldn't you arrest me before you ask me questions?
Because I just killed a man and he's in the basement.
Oh. He then threw the iPad onto the ground as hard as he could so it shattered into pieces.
I'd be like, why are you so extra? Like, at first I'd be like, okay, we're going to discuss this whole, like, you murdered a man.
But first... Why did you just throw that iPad, sir?
Right. Like, what was the meaning of that?
I need to know what the meaning of that was.
I feel like I'm not shitting on guyliner, but I feel like he was also wearing guyliner.
I don't know why. Like, I feel like he was just, like, really intense.
And I picture him with guyliner. He didn't have guyliner, I can tell you.
He looks like a little weasel. But, you know, I'm going to Google a photo.
Now, he Alexis also said that he was waiting for his aunt to show up at home.
So he could do the same thing to her, but he got tired of waiting.
Oh. And it's like, holy shit, thank goodness.
Thank God she didn't come home. I mean, this is tragic and I hate that this happened to Sylvester.
Right. But thank goodness it wasn't two people.
You know what I mean? Like you got to think of some kind of silver lining here.
Right. So police did find Sylvester's torso in the basement.
In 2014 Alexis pled not guilty to first degree murder.
How? Well, and then in 2017, at 21 years old, he pled guilty to first degree murder.
He was sentenced to 33 years in prison. That's it?
Yeah. I know. I always am so confused about sentencing.
I know. Sentence... There's always like... seemingly like a method or strategy to the madness, like this plea deals and all that that get wrapped in here.
Like all the, it's different all the time.
I know. You can never predict what it's actually going to be for any given crime, really.
Silvestri's brother did set up a GoFundMe at the time to pay for his funeral because he had no life insurance.
Oh, my God. Well, of course not. He was young.
I know. It was really sad. And Sylvester had lost the mother of his children and was working to provide for them. at the time yeah so they they didn't have parents after that yeah so he lit yeah so literally both their parents were taken Oh, my God.
And his daughter, Selena Diaz, told the Sun Times... quote, my father was a good person.
He never did anything to anyone. She was 17 at the time. and then he she said he was a good father he did what he could for me and my brother he did the best to provide for us after me and my brother lost our mother Jesus.
Yeah. So this fucker is spending 33 years in jail.
That's not enough time. No it's really not.
Especially, don't you typically get more time for mutilating a body?
Yeah, I would think that would be like an extra charge, but it's really... I was looking at like for more and more articles about this, but...
There's just not a lot of details of it, which is crazy.
But yeah, so that is that Christmas Eve murder.
That's a horrible one. Pretty terrible. And now we are going to talk about the murder of Michelle O'Dowd.
Okay. This was on Friday, December 2nd, 2011.
Philip Axt showed up at his twin sister's home in Jacksonville, Florida.
His twin sister was Michelle O'Dowd. okay at around 9 10 a.m to check on her because she had not been able to be contacted and had also failed to show up for work What he found was his twin sister murdered in an absolutely horrific way.
That's awful. Now, Michelle was also known as Mickey O'Dowd.
Oh, that's so cute. A lot of her, she had a ton of nieces and nephews and they called her Auntie Mickey.
Stop. Yeah. She was born February 20th, 1944 in Glenridge, New Jersey.
Her parents were Philip and Margaret Axt.
I found a lot of this information in her obituary actually.
She was a fraternal twin and and had technically, she was technically younger than her brother Philip Jr.
She was intelligent, kind, loving. I mean, people did not have enough good things to say about this woman auntie mickey i know and she earned a degree from virginia internment college and spent over 30 years as a lab technician wow bad bitch yes stem girl um and eventually she became a lab supervisor at good samaritan hospital in suffren new york wow Yeah, so she's like a bad bitch.
Mickey was killing the game. Mickey was killing the game.
And not only that, she was like just this generous, amazing person.
So she was literally killing it. in every aspect well-rounded mix she had one child a son named philip who passed away suddenly in 2003 at only 29 years old oh jesus Yeah.
And when he passed away, this is when she moved to Florida to be closer to her family because her brother, her twin brother Philip was there.
When she moved, she decided to go back to work because she had retired and she was like, you know what?
I'm going to go back to work. So she went back to work for her twin brother, Phil.
She became the head of accounts receivable and collections department at Audio Images International Inc., which is where her brother, he partially owned it.
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When her twin brother Philip showed up on December 2nd, 2011, he saw the front door of the home was wide open.
Which immediately was not just he had a bad feeling.
Not normal. And the inside of the home had been ransacked.
Oh. So he's already, he walks in here and he's like, shit is bad right now.
That must be like the worst fucking feeling.
Can you imagine? Your stomach must just fucking drop to your bones. feet and how scared he must have been walking into this place what you're walking into yeah you don't know is wide open And I mean like all her things, the furniture were strewn everywhere.
I mean it looked like somebody had actually ransacked the place. her car and her dog Max were untouched okay which I was happy to hear happy about the dog you know He passed through the house about three times before finally spotting his sister.
Where was she? It was then that he saw a foot sticking out from beneath a massive pile of Christmas gifts.
Oh my god. These Christmas gifts were wrapped and intended for her nieces, nephews, and grandchildren.
Oh my God. He grabbed her ankle and he said it was ice cold.
And he said, I just knew. She was found under a pile of wrapped Christmas gifts intended for all the kids in her life.
And it was December 2nd. She was already like killing the Christmas too.
She was already on that shit. She was killing the Christmas game.
It is December 22nd. And I still don't have my shit together.
I still have to finish my Christmas shopping.
So, like, fucking Mickey, man. She was on her shit.
Oh my gosh. I know. Now, when he moved the gifts, he found the battered body of his 67-year-old twin sister.
So somebody knew her. Yep. And there was an empty bottle of vodka nearby, which he was like, yeah, this wasn't hers.
Like, she did not drink a whole bottle. So he thinks...
This was whoever did this attempt to, like, make it seem weird, like, just throw people off, I think.
So it was later determined that she had been beaten and strangled either late December 1st or early December 2nd.
Oh. So who did this? I don't know. Who the fuck did this?
A 67-year-old woman. Somebody that knew her.
You betcha. I've learned a few things. You have.
You have. Well, Michelle typically lived alone, but with her dog.
Mm-hmm. But she had been allowing a family friend to stay with her recently.
Oh. This family friend was Patty Michelle White.
Don't help people. She was about 40 years old and from South Carolina.
She had been the ex-girlfriend of Michelle's nephew, so they knew each other.
OK. And then she had just, you know, broken things off with Michelle's nephew recently.
They knew each other for years. Patty had moved to Orlando from South Carolina and Michelle allowed her to stay with her for a month or so for free.
To get on her feet yeah that's really nice patty was a fucking bum so michelle would eat you know they would she would do things to try to get her help her get back on her feet like she would pay her to clean houses she would pay her to babysit do other odd jobs here and there like help her out Yeah, just trying to give her like a leg up here or there.
And just trying to give her some cash. So she was trying to help her get her life together. but phil her twin brother told cbs news quote she just couldn't keep a job she just couldn't get her life together um phil even had her babysit his grandchildren sometimes because he said she was a family friend they trusted her like there was no reason not to trust her and they're just this family's trying to help this woman yeah they're like she's flaky and she's not getting her shit together but she's not a bad they didn't think she was a bad person Now, they trusted her so well that Michelle even gave Patty her debit card and pin to run to the store and get groceries for the house.
So she would be like, you know, you're going to live here for free and go do the errands for the house.
Right. Here's my debit card. I'm going to fucking pay for it.
Exactly. So that's how much she trusted her.
She gave her her pin and her debit card.
She was in and out of Michelle's home here and there.
Basically falling back on living with her for free when she fell on bad times and Michelle would take her in.
No questions asked. Michelle was just a sweet, generous person.
She just wanted to help her. Yeah. So when this happened, Patty had moved back to South Carolina at this time.
She was not living with Michelle at this time.
OK, this happened. Those debit cards that Michelle allowed Patty to use when she lived with her were the only thing missing from the home when investigators searched.
Okay. Remember, Patty knows those debit cards, pins.
Only thing missing. Her brother Phil told WTEV News, quote, there is nothing worse than when you walk inside and find your own sister brutally murdered over a stupid debit card.
Right. So shortly after her death, those cards were used at two different ATMs in Florida. each used to withdraw $500 from each ATM, so $1,000 total.
They pulled the video from the ATMs and although Patty wore a hat and tried to cover herself up.
It was Patty. she was able to be identified by family members that it was fucking Patty using those debit cards that were stolen from Michelle O'Dowd.
And you know what the thing is, too? She probably could have just asked Michelle for the money.
Oh, 100%. In fact, Michelle's niece, Donna Reed, said, quote, It's just so surreal.
My aunt would have given her the money. Yeah, I was gonna... You can just tell based on the whole story that she could have been like...
I'm having a struggle. It's Christmas. Can I borrow some money?
And it sounds like Mickey would have been like, you know what?
Totally. Here you go. Exactly. And that's what's so awful about this is like this woman.
Gave you a roof over your head. She gave you food.
She gave you a chance. Mm-hmm Multiple chances, it sounds like.
She believed that you could get better. This is how you come back at her.
It's like, what the fuck? So Patty was on the way to York, South Carolina, where her parents lived, and she was pulled over at around 3.30 p.m. on December 2nd. because once they saw her the same day yeah oh wow because once they saw her on those atm things they were like boom got her and then they just knew where she was And when cops pulled her over, she was with her mother in the car.
She was brought back to the police station in York to be interviewed and And during this interrogation, she confessed to the murder of Michelle O'Dowd.
Wow. Yeah. I believe it was... Jacksonville police or detectives that got her to confess to it.
She was held at the York County Detention Center and later extradited back to Florida.
Now, the story went that she literally was living in South Carolina.
She came back to Florida specifically to rob Michelle.
After everything this woman did for her.
After everything this woman did to her, this bitch... came back just to rob this 67 year old woman who lived alone with her dog who took her fucking in when she needed it multiple times she took her and you said right yeah multiple times whenever she needed it yeah so you like that's just like biting the hand that feeds you oh that's the definition the definition of biting the hand that feeds you and all the detectives and investigators were like we don't know exactly this is the most senseless crime it is Both of these crimes, that's exactly how I was thinking with both of these crimes.
I was like, these are the most senseless crimes.
They're both just entitled fucks. Like all of these stories make me really pissed off, but especially ones like this.
I'm like, you could have just asked her for the money and that would have been shitty in and of itself because you're 40 fucking years old.
Exactly. Get a job. Get your shit together.
Right. Like, you know what? Michelle... She worked her ass off her whole life.
She was a lab technician and then a lab supervisor.
And now she's working in accounts payable as a lead there.
Yeah. She's working her ass off. She earned that money.
Both of these stories are like freeloaders.
I fucking hate freeloaders. Yeah. Untitled people that think that they should just be able to do nothing but reap the benefits.
And it's like, fuck you, man. You gotta work.
You better work, bitch. You gotta work, bitch.
Britney Spears said. Yeah. And I think RuPaul said it too.
He definitely said so. Rue def said so. For sure.
Now, in October 2013, Patty pled guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 14 years.
45 years in prison. That's still not enough either.
I know, but then I'm looking at it and I'm like, yeah, she'll die before then.
Maybe not. I feel like she's going in at like over 40.
So if she stays in there for 45 years, she's either coming out decrepit or she... Because it's not like you're going to come out of there like, you know...
Vibrant. Yeah, exactly. But I'm hoping that she'll just kick it in prison.
Croak bitch. you better croak bitch honestly Patty um now she avoided getting a life sentence by doing a plea deal for the second degree murder charge um See, there's that like crazy, like, you never know what's going on there. were asked to donate to the Jacksonville Humane Society in Michelle's name because it was an organization that was close to her big, giant, beautiful heart.
I wonder where Max went to live. I know.
I think with Phil. I bet he went to live with Phil.
I bet Phil was good to Max. I can't and that's the other thing it's like Phil was her twin brother yeah that's like a bond that you don't even get And it's like he had to walk in there.
And not only were they twins and close, they worked together.
Yeah, that's her bro. And he had to walk in there and find her.
I can't imagine. Covered in the Christmas presents that she bought for his grandchildren, who she, like, considered her own.
What a fucking horrific touch. That's... that's what kills me deep rooted maniacal shit like yeah you're a bad person and it's like As you're putting these presents on top of this dead, battered 67-year-old woman who has helped you your whole life.
Yeah. As you're putting these presents on top of her battered, bleeding face, you're sitting there being like, you have to know these are for people who love her.
Yeah. And you're burying her in this. It's weirdly symbolic.
It's a huge fuck you to everyone. It's so dark.
Like, that's so dark. And it's like, you must know those are for, like, children that love her and, like, that she loves.
And it's just fucking Christmas. dude oh it just like that part made me like man you have to have no soul it's dark like you have to have zero soul to do that shit I don't like her Patty at all.
And I do not like Patty at all. 10 out of 10, do not recommend Patty as a friend.
10 out of 10, recommend Patty. gets shanked in prison that's what i recommend i recommend that you shake her shake that woman shake that woman So the other thing, I'll post photos, obviously, like I always do on the Instagram of the victims in these cases.
Was Mickey adorable? Mickey's fucking adorable.
I bet. She's just that woman that you'd look at and be like, I bet you're awesome.
And was Sylvester a cutie? And he was adorable.
And it's just like, man... Man, it sucks.
It's not in the holiday spirit. I'm really hoping that everybody has a great holiday.
Whatever you celebrate be it Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa.
Diwali. Maybe you don't celebrate holidays.
Solstice. I hope you have a great day. Maybe you're just... Maybe... You know what?
And if you don't celebrate any of the holidays, just... celebrate life yeah it's awesome it's great yeah and you know what time yeah and you can make it great we can always make it great Our high school principal always used to say, make it a great day or not, the choice is yours.
But yeah, so I hope that you guys have a great holiday and whether you celebrate it or not, just, you know.
Don't murder each other. Be nice to each other.
Be nice. Be kind. Appreciate each other.
Be nice to each other. At Ellen DeGeneres.
You know what? I'm going to tag Ellen in this.
Do it. I'll do it. Oh my god, what if we got to go on the motherfucking Ellen show?
I would shit my pants. I mean, she wouldn't let us.
She wouldn't, no. She wouldn't, right? Like, we're both looking at each other like, she wouldn't.
You think she'd let us? We're, like, trying to convince each other.
Like, no. No. Ellen if you're listening I fucking love your show.
Yo Ellen. I love your giveaways. What up.
I just want to high five you. I just want to dance with you, Ellen.
Yeah. I do. Oh, I want to do the red button game with Ellen.
Oh, yeah. All right. So everybody, that's the new task.
Let's get on the Ellen show. Let's tweet at Ellen.
If the kid with the white vans got to go on Ellen, I want to go on Ellen.
I'm saying. All he did was say, back at it again with the white vans.
Exactly. So I think we can do it. You're going to have to cut a lot of that out, huh?
So I hope that you guys... I'm sorry that this one's a little punchy, but you know what?
It's the holiday season. So I hope you didn't enjoy these cases, but maybe enjoyed my telling of them.
Yeah. Just like, you know, it's all fine here.
We're fine. Taboo. So enjoy yourselves. Be kind.
Love you guys. We hope you keep listening.
And we hope you keep it weird. I'm not doing one for either of these.
But not so weird that you murder people at Christmas.
Not so weird that you murder people ever.
Yeah. Don't keep it that weird. Don't do it.
Bye. As a fun little Christmas treat, the other day, Ash and I did not know that we were recording, and this is legit, we had no idea, because you can hear me at the end say shit or we record.
Yep. And we had a very organic conversation about Jack the Ripper and the crime scene photos that came from it.
And in the middle of it I insult somebody's eyebrows.
Exactly. Like the kind woman I am. And I just think it would be funny for you guys to be able to hear us having an actual...
True crime convo. Just a real true crime convo, which is basically how this whole thing started.
So it's like a nice little throwback to how it all began.
It's like kismet. So you know what? Enjoy this quick little organic conversation we had about Jack the Ripper.
Enjoy. Also, did you see the photo I posted on Twitter of the colored photo of the Jack the Ripper victim?
I was literally just looking at it while you were in the kitchen.
It doesn't even look real. How did they do that?
Me too. That's insane. so much worse in color.
It's really scary. I've seen that photo about a billion times.
Me too. And seeing this, I was like... wowzers like in real because in the black and white photo you're like wow that looks like a mess but like i don't know but it's like things blend into each other though and look what he did and like her face is just gone And her fucking everything.
And her thighs are gone. Everything in between her thighs is gone.
Some of the skin on her leg is off. you can see bone like her femur literally you can see her whole ass you can literally see her femur he must have been a doctor or something like that right I don't know This doesn't look very sterile. that doesn't look real like did he like disembowel people though but he did do he did do a lot of things where he would like take out a kidney and stuff right It's hard to find a kidney when you're, like, a professional in there and know where it is.
Like, in fact, the other day we were trying to find a kidney.
Do you think he knew what he was taking out, or do you think he was just like...
I don't know if he was just going in there and being like, I'm just going to rip whatever I put my hand around first.
Yeah. Because kidneys are pretty, like, good.
Gross. Yeah. That means eyebrows make me mad.
I just don't know. Oh, why did it start recording?
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