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I'm gonna kill you. Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena.
I'm Ash. And this is Morbid. Alright, so we were originally going to debut our first episode with the big guy, Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer.
But we didn't. But we did not. Well, that didn't happen.
We have pivoted, as they say in the biz.
We did a one flippin' 80. We pivoted because some big news happened, and I'm sure all of you...
Some of you. Maybe none of you heard about it.
If none of you heard about it, turn this off.
Exactly. You don't belong here. Just kidding.
You all belong here. We accept you all. So, basically, what happens...
Is they caught the Golden State Killers!
We now have a name. It is Joseph James D'Angelo.
That... asshole who's super creepy nightmarish voice you heard at the very beginning of this podcast is now behind bars So we figured with this huge true crime news, we couldn't just let the first episode go.
We had to talk about it. That would be dumb.
And we are not dumb. Nah. Y'all. And then everyone turned the podcast off.
Stay with us. Please stay with us. I promise we get better.
We grow on you. I swear. Yeah. So, basically, we're going to start, I say basically a lot.
Yeah, it's okay. We're going to have to work on that.
We'll work on it. We'll work on it. We're a work in progress.
I'm sure people will call you out. They will, for sure.
The three people listening to this will call me up.
All of our listeners. So we're going to start with talking about, this guy did a lot.
So many things. He did all the things. He was known as a lot of things, too.
So, he was. He was known as the Golden State Killer.
The original Night Stalker. That's my favorite.
I don't know why. I like it because I feel like Richard Ramirez needed a better name.
Yeah. Because sure, he was the Night Stalker, but this guy was the original Night Stalker.
My favorite, actually my least favorite, but like my favorite in a funny way, is the Diamond Mount Killer.
That one just sounds dumb. And fancy. It actually sounds wicked fancy.
Like I feel like he should be wearing a monocle.
And like a bow tie. Perhaps a top hat. It's like tap dancing up to the murder scene.
And that, he did not do that. No. I can confirm that he did not do that.
Like tap dancing. At least no one saw him do that.
It's not reported that he was a tap dancer.
That would either be really scary... He probably fucking would because he was all about the terror.
He was. He was all about the terror. That's one thing.
Because he was also known as the East Area Rapist.
Yeah, yeah. Because the whole first part of his... reign of terror here was focused mostly on rapes of which he committed at least 45 no That we know of.
At least 45 that were reported. And then... Dude's a bad guy.
He's a murderer or something. He's also going to be known for at least 12 murders.
And... What is it, 150 or over? Yeah, it's like over 150 burglaries.
I mean, this guy was a D-bag at the highest order.
Yeah, he was busy. He was real busy. So how they caught him is actually pretty interesting.
He left a ton of DNA everywhere he went.
But at the time, DNA was not a thing, so it didn't really help.
No one had DNA. back no one there was no dna no none of us had dna nobody early man did not have dna nope zero we got it later it's like a millennial thing yeah but for sure So they had this DNA on file.
It was just sitting there doing nothing.
And after a while, he didn't have anything to compare it to.
What they ended up doing was... They looked at a genealogy site which was confirmed not to be 23andMe or Ancestry.com.
Because they've already said that they don't do this kind of thing.
They don't release DNA. It wasn't me. Just for anybody.
And I believe it was one of the sites that you basically, when you sign up, you say that it's okay that your DNA is going to be Open to the public.
And it wasn't his DNA. It was familial DNA.
So his family. So his family. Yeah. So Thanksgiving would have been weird this year.
But it's a pretty good match. So this is like, this is perfect what you want.
Like familial DNA is great to go off of.
And what they were able to do was take that DNA. and they were able to compare it against a sample that they collected in public domain.
So like a cigarette that he threw out or like a drink.
They might have gone through his trash. Oh yeah, they could have done any of that.
Like, anything he's discarded that he put DNA on in public, that's free reign.
So it means they must have been watching him? at some point, or staking him out?
Because I know they did surveillance on him for a little while, and they waited for him to discard something to grab.
At least that's what I heard. So. You know, just around.
I mean, genealogy sites, man. Don't go on them now.
Or definitely go on them. I don't know what to tell you.
Do whatever. 23andMe and Ancestry.com are apparently like lock solid, so you're good.
That's true. You don't have to worry about somebody taking your DNA.
It's not like Facebook. This worked out for the best.
It's not like Facebook. We're coming for you, Zuckerberg.
So, Joseph James D'Angelo's reign of terror began way back in 1976.
A long time ago. A whole long time ago. Before I was born, which means it was like a billion years ago.
Because I am 104. Because you're older than me.
I'm older than Derek. By like 104 years.
Exactly. And basically, he started out his career... focusing on young women and teenagers.
And when I say teenagers, I mean as young as 13.
When you were a baby, a child, that should know nothing of the horrors of this world.
So he started out basically going after people who are alone in their homes.
And his MO was to stake these people out for weeks.
For like weeks before. Yeah, weeks. He would know when they were home, when they weren't home.
He would actually... Think about their family?
Yeah. And like their neighbors and stuff.
Like he just started gathering information.
This guy was like super into his craft. And he wouldn't just stake them out.
He would break into their homes. So he would find a way in.
He would find the best way in. Yeah, like...
He would remove screens, unlock windows, figure out if your fucking garage door was broken, and he would leave it so that he could get back in to Terrace.
And he'd go in there. He'd learn, like, the layout of your house.
He'd see where all your rooms are. He'd see if you had a dog.
He'd see where light switches are. You know, he would sometimes leave tools and weapons places so that he could get them quicker when he came back.
Sure. He left because he loved to use shoelaces to bind people.
And one of the things I'm pretty sure he took special note of is the kitchen.
He loved the kitchen. He really loved the kitchen.
We will get to that later. We will definitely mention that at some point because this guy... He was all about it.
Yeah, he had a very weird relationship with food, which I would love to explore.
He had a very weird relationship with food. just about everything.
Yeah, he just had... He had some stuff going on.
He has a weird existence. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if he talks.
Mm-hmm. But... His whole deal was he would break into the house in the middle of the night, like in the middle of your REM cycle.
He was busted in. Really disturbing you.
Yeah, like right in the middle. So you were already disoriented.
He's wearing a ski mask. Sometimes no pants.
A lot of times no pants. Like, he would just come in already pantsless.
Which is, I hate to say it, but like, smart.
Yeah. Because he wouldn't have to... put his pants back on and leave really fast if something happened, you could just run right the fuck out of there.
It's like evil efficiency. Yes. I love that.
It's really evil efficiency. That's horrible, but that's a funny thing to say.
That might be a good band name, too. Wow.
Called it. But, yeah. Evil efficiency. It should be like a metal band.
No, it should be like a super like Katy Perry kind of deal.
Or like an indie. Oh, yes. Like something super chill.
Yeah. Evil efficiency. We're just chilling on the beach.
I mean, I took it, so that's not free, guys.
That's not free. That's mine. A lot of the times he would come right up to you in bed.
He would flash a flashlight right in your face to wake you up.
Which already disorients you. Right. And you can't see him.
Exactly. And then he would speak to you through gritted teeth.
Like, Yeah, like he would clench his teeth.
He would disguise his voice more like making it like higher.
A lot of people described it as a funny voice.
Yeah, like a cartoon kind of voice. Which is even scarier.
I don't like that. That makes me feel some type of way.
Can we talk about the first victim, how she woke up?
Oh, God. Because that's... That's the worst.
Yes. You think your alarm clock is bad? Yeah.
I have news for you. This is real bad. So the first victim was woken up by this guy in the middle of the night.
Calling her by her name. Calling her by her name, which is already so disconcerting.
And he was pantsless. Standing in her doorway of her bedroom, tapping the doorframe with a knife while calling her name to wake up.
No, thank you. Like what? Disinterested.
Nope. Can't do it. And I feel like if I saw that in a horror movie, like most of the things he did.
I'd be like, too much. I'd be like, that was a lot.
Maybe scale it back because I don't believe it.
Come on, let's be realistic here. Yeah, like just make me believe this.
But it happened. That shit was real. Yeah.
Like, he was a horror movie villain of the highest order.
And now he's... Oh, actually, I think HBO is making...
Oh, yeah. Like a documentary series about it.
Oh, I'm sure there's going to be a lot now.
But I definitely think they're going to make some movies about it.
Now that they've got them. Which would be...
A crazy film. Yeah, and I want, like, a Dahmer, like, Kemper style. prison interview with him where he just like opens up because as we'll mention later this guy I think, dug his fame.
And he liked having notoriety for what he was doing. um but anyways but anyways once he was in the people's houses they got raped and they got raped in many ways Several times.
And while he was doing it, he would stop...
This is where his weird relationship with food comes in.
He would literally tell them, I'm going to take a break so I can go to the kitchen and cook some food and eat it.
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And then they would hear him, like, moving around pots and pans because he fucking knew where that shit was.
Yeah. He was already all ready. Like, he knew where everything was.
He knew what food they probably had in their house.
Like... But it's really messed up. I remember there was one instance... where I think he broke into a house where there was a six-year-old.
And this is when he later started attacking couples, which we'll get into later.
But he had already assaulted the woman several times, and he had made himself a sandwich.
And the six year old woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, saw a man standing in the hallway eating a goddamn sandwich. looked at him like, what?
Because she's six and in the middle of the night you gotta pee, you gotta pee.
Right. She just looked at him and he said, I'm playing a game with your parents.
Do you want to help? And she was like, And she looked at him and then went in the bathroom, peed, and went back to bed.
Which, good on her. And he didn't do anything to her.
But, like... What? Like, what are you doing just standing eating a sandwich while like, what is happening?
I don't know. He did weird shit all the time.
Another time, a lot of people said he used to act like an addict.
Oh, yeah, that one case where the girl's dad was a doctor.
There was a couple of times where he would, like, tell them I need my fix and ask them for medicine.
Right. Like, ask them for pills or money because I need drugs and. and they said that he because it's like maybe he was an addict but i don't think he was i think he was just trying to throw off the cops like they're looking for like a very specific suspect Mm-hmm.
And just confuse them. Addicts. Yeah. Right, exactly.
And the victim said that it seemed like he was putting on an act.
It was too much over the top. He was over-dramatizing it.
And there was one victim who was a teenager.
And he knew that her father was a doctor and her parents were not home.
I believe it was the one who her and her teenage sister were both tied up.
I think only one of them was... technically assaulted, but I might be wrong about that.
And he asked the daughter, where are the doctor's pills?
And she was like, I don't know. I don't know where they are.
Eventually he found them. He made a big production out of like shaking the pill bottles in the other room and like-
Pretending he's taking them, turning on the water and like, I need my fix.
I need my fix shaking and all that. And then they later found the bag of pills soaking wet in the neighbor's garbage.
Which is so weird. So he was just bullshitting.
And it's like, what? What? Why? It's almost like he got bored and he was just like adding things to make it more exciting.
And it's super exciting for himself. Next-level nightmare like next level his mind man.
He was just I don't even know what to say about him He also sometimes would try to mimic the behavior of what he thought was schizophrenia.
Yeah. I read a bunch of things where he would just start crying in the middle of it.
But it wasn't like he was actually feeling any kind of remorse or emotion.
I think it was just him... trying to be theatrical exactly i think he just liked and who knows maybe he does have some like weird because there was a lot of times like you were saying like he would just talk about his mommy yeah like go cry in the corner and be like mommy hates that Or like, mommy hates seeing this on the news.
Yeah. It scares mommy to see this in the news.
Yep. Or he'd be like, I don't want to do this anymore, mommy.
Or there was one instance where the woman thought that he said, fuck you, mommy, but then...
We found out, and I've actually found this in a Reddit post, that he was engaged to a woman. oh yeah like b-o-n-n-i-e so who knows if he was like having mommy issues or if he was having bonnie issues which those are two very separate things yeah you know And one of the, the victim did say that she knows that he was saying Bonnie.
Yeah. At least one of them said it. And what's bothering me a little bit is that they're like stringing this narrative now after this came out.
Where it's like, oh, he was angry about Bonnie and Bonnie and him broke up.
And I'm like, poor Bonnie. Yeah. Like, and it's not Bonnie's fault.
Bonnie's gonna get all the flack for this bullshit.
Yeah, I'm like, this is not Bonnie's deal.
Like, let Bonnie go. Who knows where Bonnie is?
Bonnie is not gonna come forward. Bonnie Jean is not his lover. yeah and you know nope and you know what i don't blame you bonnie like don't make it bonnie's business like this is him being a creep like damn It's always the woman's fault, man.
Seriously. It played for everything. Fight the patriarchy.
But, uh, so, let's see. He, like, switches his MO at one point after the police are saying that he's targeting young women.
They send out kind of like an alert, like don't be alone in your home, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada.
So he is very adaptable, very like versatile. switches to attacking couples and this is when you thought shit was real already It gets, it takes a turn for down a darker corner.
Yeah. It gets realer than you thought. You thought it was real, real.
So sit down. Sit down, yeah. Grab some water, snack.
Maybe snuggle a puppy. Yeah. Do a comforting thing.
Yeah. Because now that he switches to couples, things get real weird.
Real weird. He breaks him. So he kind of keeps the same MO generally.
Yeah, he breaks in. He's got the flashlight.
You're disoriented. Sometimes he's pantsless.
He... He has the ski mask on. He uses... He still breaks in beforehand to know your house.
Exactly. One case, he unloaded a handgun that was in a bedside table, and... he like shown the flashlight on the couple's face and disoriented them that way.
The husband turns over to open the bedside table and grab the gun.
And then he flashes the flashlight onto his hand where he's holding the bullets that were once in that gun.
I can't. I can't. And that's another thing that you're like, no, if that was in a horror movie, I'd be like, okay.
Yeah, I'd be like, okay. Whatever. Whatever.
Because you'd be like, that's really theatrical and no one's that theatrical.
But he was. But he was. He was that fucking theatrical.
So he breaks in, disorients you. Then he has...
He ties up the man, has the woman stack dishes on the man's back.
Takes the woman out of the room most of the time, I believe.
Yeah, he always separated them. Yeah, separated them.
Said that he went to the husband and said if he heard a dish move, fall on the floor, I'm going to kill you or I'm going to kill her.
I'm going to kill both of you. I'll kill anybody else in the house because sometimes there were children in these houses.
Many times there was children. Which is awful.
Which is so sad. Um, and then he would proceed to rape the woman over the course of hours a lot of women said that they thought he would be gone because it would have stopped for so long and then he would come right back again if, like, she moved or made any kind of noise, anything like that.
Yeah, so these poor people are just laying there tied up by shoestrings.
They've been terrorized, assaulted... Everything you can think of all night.
And then he's never... He's always telling them, I'm going to be back.
I'm going to kill you if you move. And you're just laying there hoping.
And the poor... the man that was tied up.
I mean, the situation you have to be in and you're sitting there, you're taking a gamble either way.
You're taking a gamble to move and try to help your wife or partner.
Because that could even kill her. Because maybe he's telling the truth and he's going to kill you both or he's going to kill her.
And it's like, or you lay there. Knowing she's in another room with this guy and having no idea what's happening to her.
And you're just laying there. It's like, what an unimaginable position to be in.
Yeah, so the whole community is up in arms, not okay, not doing well, not sleeping at night.
Yeah. Which you can understand. They hold a Gilmore Girls-style town hall meeting.
And, um... This part is super, like, I get goosebumps when I think about this part.
It really stresses me out. So at the town hall meeting.
This man stands up and he says, I don't know.
I don't know how this is happening. How could a man be in the home with his wife and not do anything about it?
If he came into my home, I'd kill him. That's what he says.
So then we take our car into another dark corner.
Yeah. We're really driving around here. We're dragging you down in deep here.
Yeah. Come with us. He... The... The killer.
I just couldn't talk for a minute. The killer, Joseph James D'Angelo. was at the town hall meeting that night.
That was an amazing sound. He was there and, you know, didn't stand up.
I don't know if he put any input in what his deal was there.
He probably just hung out there. He was just listening, you know, and ended up I must've followed that couple home and that couple where the man had stood up and said, this would never happen.
I would kill him. They were attacked, unfortunately, that night.
And unfortunately, his wife was assaulted.
Yes. Which is awful. Which, and it just shows the depth of... This guy's... Awfulness and adaptability that this guy has.
Like, it's insane, because... We now believe he was at the town hall meeting, obviously, because that happened.
And also, my favorite murder posted on their Instagram. photo that appears to be him sitting in the crowd and if you put it next to a photo of him at the time like a navy photo which by the way he was in the navy which kind of shows why he was able to do weird knots with his ligatures, because that's why he was referred to as the Diamond Knot Killer at times.
Because a diamond knot is a very weird, intricate knot.
So, yeah, it looks like he was there. My Favorite Murder posted the photo.
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So, after that, the murders didn't begin until 1978.
Which was... Was this after he got, like, fired from the police force, or was that 1979?
Um, he was not, yeah, he was fired, so it turned out that he was a police officer, which kind of makes sense. why he was able one why he was doing staking out because he knew that that's the smartest way to catch somebody and you know do what you need to do and two he was able to leave nothing behind and was able to keep his himself completely concealed his identity completely concealed Because he knew that's what the training you get in the academy.
Right. In 1979, he was fired from the police department.
For a really ridiculous reason. A hilarious one.
It was just shoplifting things that you buy all the time.
This is always the list. It's always on my list.
It's always on the grocery list. One, he stole dog repellent, which I didn't even know was a thing.
I actually didn't. I thought that was fake.
I was like, haha. I was like, oh, dog repelling.
And then they were like, no, really. Apparently it's a thing.
Yeah. And a hammer. And a hammer from a pay and save.
Just casual things that you pick up on a Tuesday, you know?
So, what's interesting about that... is a lot of the victims, a few of them had dogs.
A lot of them were said later to be shocked. that their dogs weren't barking or seemingly, like, trying to attack this guy.
Right. Because normally they would. They said that their dogs bark.
And people smelled, like, a weird smell that they couldn't identify on him.
And it seems like that must be because of...
The dog repellent, which I didn't know what his thing.
But when I looked it up, it is to make a dog stop barking.
And obviously it would make a dog not want to. attack you because you apparently smell bad to them so that's a weird little thing but um they would get on his trail and then lose it yeah like the the police would get on the trail and lose it right um Just stepping back a couple years, it was right before the murders, which started in 1978.
In 1977, he... Somebody sent a letter to the police and they believe it was him.
And it's now kind of... canon that this is him so um the letter is so dramatic Very, like, snap your hands and hit bongos and poetry slam it up.
So I'm going to read it for you all. Enjoy.
Because this is wonderful. it's called Excitement's Crave he literally titled this can everybody just take a second so all those mortals surviving birth upon facing maturity take inventory of their worth to prevailing society choosing values becomes a task one's self must seek satisfaction the selected route will unmask character when plans take action accepting some work to perform at fixed pay but promise for more is a recognized social norm as is decorum seeking lore achieving while others lifting should be cause for deserving fame leisure tempts excitement seeking what's right and expected seems tame Jesse James has been seen by all, and Son of Sam has an author.
Others now feel temptation's call, Sacramento should make an offer.
To make a movie of my life that will pay for my planned exile.
Just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file.
You're East Area Rapist and deserving pest.
See you in the press or on TV. What? Why?
So that's a lot to unpack. He sat down at his kitchen table or wherever he liked to do his writing.
Or in his cave, wherever he lived. And wrote that, like, you know he was tossing papers left and right, like, nope, that doesn't sound good, let's add this in here he's trying to make that as intense as possible super intense guy no chill in that poem Basically, to me, what it seems like is, first of all, he seems to be kind of influenced or... you know, seeing role models and other famous killers, you know, Jesse James, son of Sam, and saying how...
They have authors, meaning they have books about them.
They have movies about them. They want that.
He wants a book. He wants a movie. Like the police are going to be like, you know what?
Yeah, you know what? Let's give him this because that's what he's asking for.
That's all you want? And then the part that is kind of...
And unsettling. And unsettling is when you first hear it, you're like, wait, what?
Because he says, um... He says, just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file.
Which is like, what are you talking about?
What is that? Like, why? Like, that's weird.
But then... In May 1977, the same year, one of the victims, who also had two small children in the house, I just want to mention that because he's a goddamn monster.
He didn't care if you had children in the house.
Sometimes he made the children tie them up.
Or he would just tie them up and move them somewhere.
Yeah, he's just real gross. This lady was assaulted in her home by him, and she also had in her home an Italian father.
Which to me kind of seems like, so he's saying like, I want to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file.
It was the father-in-law, wasn't it? I think it's... I'm not sure if it was the father-in-law.
I just... It's an Italian grandfather. Oh, okay.
Which I think is the grandfather of the kids.
Either way, there was an Italian... There was an Italian guy in that house.
Which isn't exactly the wife of a mafia lord.
But he kind of... It's like... And he wasn't just Italian.
He was from Italy. So... I mean, to me, that seems like he was kind of making a little, like, confirming I wrote the letter or trying to be like, see, I did it.
Which is just... Well, and he was all about, like, calling the police, calling the victims.
Oh, yeah. Phone calls galore. Yep. Yeah.
He was a creep. Yeah. He didn't just let these feel like after he had assaulted them, he didn't just let them live their life.
If he let you live, he was going to keep calling you.
He sometimes told people before. Oh, yeah.
In many cases. He'd call and hang up. He would say weird, like, that one, like, and he would, like, whisper into the phone, like, I'm gonna kill you.
I'm gonna kill you. God, Like call them bitches and whores and say really, really foul things.
Which, by the way, if you are so inclined to see all of these, and you can also hear recordings.
A website that we used for a lot of our research was coldcase-earons.com.
They've done an insanely extensive job at researching this.
Everything you could possibly want. Yeah.
They have all of the attacks. They have before, during, and after exactly what happened.
All the phone call recordings. Straight from the victims.
They're not recordings, but... And you can see all of this, like everything that he did after because it's so long that we could be here for like 10 hours talking. about it if we went through each one but um yeah he was a super creep Um, he didn't, he began murdering after he had two botched attacks too, which kind of seems like maybe he was like Pissed off.
Yeah, like, it kind of pissed him off, and he was like, well, now I'm gonna kill people.
Yeah. So, once he went to murder, he... Basically, his method was bludgeoning.
That seemed to be his... In one case. I think it was the first one, perhaps, that he... used a fire log from outside yeah to bludgeon them yeah like a foot like a log you would put in your fireplace he bludgeoned and and a lot of it was over yeah they said a lot of the times it was a lot of overkill like he just kept going and they could barely recognize forever And I just want to go through the amount of just the murder victims, just to say their names.
Their names should be out there more than his should.
Absolutely. So I'll go with August 21st, 1975 was Keith and Patricia Harrington.
An interesting one with this one is Keith's older brother, Bruce. actually helped usher in Proposition 69 after his murder, which mandates prisoners that they have to provide, donate their DNA to a database. which is what would help in these kind of situations if he was ever because if these people are ever arrested their DNA is automatically going to be on file So they can grab him if it's going to hit.
Hopefully sooner. So that's pretty awesome that something good came out of that.
You know, like, Bruce is a badass. February 2nd, 1978 was Ryan and Katie Masury, I want to say.
If I'm saying that wrong, I apologize. December 30th, 1979 was Dr. Robert Offerman and Deborah Manning.
March 13th, 1980 was Charlene and Lyman Smith.
February 5th, 1981 was Manuela Wittun, which again, I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly.
W-I-T-T-H-U-H-N. Totally yell at me if I said that wrong.
July 27th, 1981 with Shari Domingo and Greg Sanchez.
And May 4th, 1986 was Janelle Cruz, who was only 18 years old.
Um, there is another one that hasn't been officially linked to him, but a lot of people think it might've been him.
Cause it was around the times that, um, He was burglarizing homes.
His name was Claude Snelling. And that was September 11th, 1975.
One of the survivors, actually, though, that we wanted to talk about.
This lady is such a badass. Jane Carson Sandler, I believe is how her name is said.
He attacked her. And it was 6.30 in the morning when he broke into her house.
Which like birds are chirping. People are awake.
Neighbors are getting ready for work. You should be enjoying a cup of coffee.
Yeah. Feeling safe. She definitely wasn't.
Her husband had just left for work. He was... I believe he was in the military.
And, um... Like some branch of the army.
He broke in either through the garage door or through her son's room. because she had reported a few weeks earlier that somebody must have been in her home.
Her son's piggy bank was missing. Which is so sad.
Yeah, like, what are you doing? And some of her rings were also missing.
Um... When he came into on the morning of the attack, her three-year-old son was laying next to her. he comes in i believe he was pantsless says shut up or i'll kill you i just want your money so it was under the guise that it was just going to be Which he used a lot.
That was a lot of his. He used to say, I just want money.
Just cooperate. I just want money. Right.
So he ties her and her son up. He... Ties their wrists, their ankles with shoelaces.
He moves her son out of the room. I mean...
Which is upsetting. Upsetting, but at least I'm glad that it's like a three-year-old.
Oh, poor baby. he raped her and she is quoted as saying I'm not sorry I was raped and I say that because it has given me one of the purposes in my life, and that is to reach out and help other women.
Which is amazing that she can take an event like this in her life and turn it around to make it one of her life's purposes to help these women.
Can you imagine being that kind of optimistic?
I think I would just, like, fall into the deepest, darkest possible depression.
Seriously. i don't know how amazing talk about that's like hero status like being able to look at it like that And she was absolutely terrorized after this.
Like, didn't feel safe in her home. Of course.
Didn't want her husband to go away on these trips that he had to go on.
This is horrible. Um... Oh, I think it was a month or so after the attack.
She finally was starting to feel a little bit better. safer she had put up a wicked tall fence in her backyard and she her husband was away She was sunbathing in the backyard and a pebble landed next to her that had flown over the fence.
So she kind of didn't think anything of it at first, and then another one and another one came, and she... ran into the house because she was like what is happening like yeah scary what is happening Um, she calls the police.
They're there within like 10 minutes because obviously they know what she had been through.
And it turns out some asshole that lived down the street from her was just terrorizing her because he knew what happened to her.
He was just like... having a fun time like spending his afternoon terrorizing a rape victim yeah you have to be the lowest form of parasite on earth to do that.
You really do. Like, you're gross. And we don't know if it was... the golden state killer actually i mean it could have been based on the fact that he has to continue to call people i mean he was She was... She was ballsy with it.
Yeah, she was receiving phone calls as recently as 2017.
Jesus. She got five in one week that were just all like silent, breathing, stupid hang up phone calls.
And it's like, it's terrifying either way, whether it was him or somebody thinking it was funny to terrorize a rape victim.
It's like, either way, it's like, come on, people, do better.
Seriously. Do better. Just some little tidbits here.
It seems like a lot of people said that it didn't seem like he was very into the sexual part of the rape.
In fact, there were actually points where...
They weren't sure if he had finished or he couldn't get going.
It's also reported that he had, like, a very tiny penis.
Yeah, speaking of that, it's... widely reported so we're not this isn't just like you know we're not we're not speaking smut here we're just telling you what we're hearing Just letting you know.
It's reported widely that he had a... tiny member.
He was not well endowed at all. There was one girl who was a teenager.
I believe she was a 15 year old. She was raped three or four times in one night by him.
What the hell? And she was a virgin, and she told him that.
Or he asked her that, or she told him that.
Either way, it was brought up. When she was checked out later, her hymen was not broken.
So that's three or four times in one night.
He was pretty tiny. But that's how, that's how monstrous this guy was though.
Like, first of all, a 15 year old and to even, it's just gross.
Some of his youngest victims were like 13.
Yeah, it's like awful. And it seemed like his main motive was not to, you know, not to get off.
It was... to literally terrorize it was to instill as much fear and as much panic and anxiety into these people as possible and it seemed like he almost got like power from it.
Absolutely. Yeah, like he would tell them he was going to kill them.
He would tell them he wasn't going to kill them.
He was going to Kill everybody in the house.
If he had kids, he was gonna kill your kids.
There was a case where he told the woman if this ended up on the news that he... would kill her and then told her husband if he didn't end up on the news, he would kill her.
Yep. And they were, like, yeah. And there was, like, several times where...
If there were kids in the house, he would say, you know, don't let these plates move, or I'm gonna cut off your kid's ear or finger and bring it to you.
Like... Can you imagine, like, being a parent?
I just can't. No. God, no. He kept gloves on for almost all his attacks, even when he was raping people and, like, fondling and groping.
A lot of people said he kept the gloves on, which is really weird.
He also used a bike to get away from scenes. which sounds really ridiculous at first I was like why though but then when you think about it you can get really quick you can get away really fast on a bike And somebody running after you isn't going to be able to catch you on a bike if you're going, going, going.
Right. Even somebody in a car, if you dart into a yard or down an alleyway, they can't get you.
So it's actually a really smart way to get... away which i don't want to admit that he's smart but like he's again he's evil efficient i was gonna say what was the band yeah evil efficiency yes tm And I want to, we really can't talk about this without mentioning Michelle McNamara.
And her book, I'll Be Gone in the Dark. Because she should honestly be getting so much more credit for this than she is.
Because that woman... put in so much work.
This became her life's purpose. This was her life.
And it's like, she put together so many loose ends.
She connected so many things. Right. And she was able to get information from people that, like, no one else could get.
Exactly. Like, she did the damn thing. Yeah, she was working on this day and night.
It's so tragic that she's not physically here to see this happen.
Impostor is such a young age. But hopefully wherever she is, she's, you know, watching and high-fiving everybody around her.
She is tap dancing. If he wasn't, she certainly is.
And I believe it was Patton Oswalt, her husband, and a few other people who finished the book for her because he said that's what she would have wanted.
She wanted that book finished. Right. So go check that book out because it's awesome.
And the title, I'll Be Gone in the Dark, is actually... ripped from a quote directly from the Golden State Killer.
Said to a victim. He said to, I believe it was a 16 year old, his ninth victim, I want to say, that he said, basically, don't move or you'll be silent forever and I'll be gone in the dark. aka like i'm which is hard again if you heard that in a movie you'd be like no one talks like that like he's on another level he's really on another level So now we got him.
We're going to see what happens. Hopefully he's going to start talking and we can maybe do another episode talking about what his... bullshit insights are i cannot wait for him to talk please talk he'll talk after that letter poem yeah He's a fame seeker.
Maybe he'll write another one. He's going to be like Kemper where he's going to be like, let me tell you everything because I like seeing my face and hearing my voice.
For sure. Like, I really think that's what it's going to be.
Yikes. So yeah, that's the Golden State Killer, Joseph James DeAngelo.
That asshole is caught. Yeah. So stay tuned for that.
And we are going to do Edmund Kemper next time.
Next episode will definitely be Edmund Kemper because we got him totally ready to go.
And that dude talks a lot. A lot. I don't think he's written any poems, but we'll check it out.
But little spoiler alert, he has done some books on tape. so just hang on to that just chew on that nugget until next week that's for another time.
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