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We used to spend enormous amounts of time picking the songs and then an even more enormous amount of time on the art for the CD box.
my mixes were always named after popes for reasons i cannot remember like pope pius xii with a big photocopied picture of him in some ermine robe anyway the point of the mixes and i think this is true of everyone who grew up in the mix era was to find songs that you knew about and liked and that you believed that your best friend didn't know about and would like which if you're talking about someone with whom you've been sharing music your whole life is a pretty narrow window out.
Anyway, Bruce put the acoustic re -release of Elvis Costello's Deportee on a special mix.
I think it was for one of my birthdays in my roaring 20s.
I just remember thinking two things as I listened to that song over and over again.
First, I knew the first version and hated it.
And this was the same song sung by the same artist. And now in this form, it was magical.
How did that work? The second thing I remember thinking is, this is why God invented best friends.
I still think that, by the way.
Here we go, the first in our musical encore, Hallelujah.
In 1984, Elvis Costello released his ninth album, Goodbye Cruel World.
I bought it the week it came out because I bought every Elvis Costello album back then the week it came out.
There's a theory in psychology.
The music you listen to at ages 19 and 20 is the music that imprints itself most deeply on your consciousness.
If you make a list of your favorite songs, you'll see what I mean.
Anyway, I was 20 in 1984, so I remember Goodbye Cruel World.
I listened to it right away.
And this episode is about one song on that album.
It's called The Deportees Club.
I still have it on vinyl.
It goes like this. Oh, God, it's awful.
My name is Malcolm Gladwell.
Welcome to Revisionist History, my podcast about things forgotten or misunderstood.
This week, I want to go back to Elvis Costello in 1984.
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I'm not talking about Deportees Club as a song, but as a symbol.
I'm interested in understanding how creativity works.
And I've chosen Deportees Club as my case study for the purely arbitrary reason that I'm obsessed with it.
And maybe, hopefully, you will be too once we're finished.
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Deportees Club is the second to last song on the B -side of Goodbye Cruel World.
The album cover is a picture of a little mountaintop with two trees on it, with Costello and his band members in various strange poses.
It's all very 80s. The record was produced by two legends of the British music scene at the time, Clive Langer and Alan Winstanley.
You've probably heard some of their work.
They did records with Madness, Lloyd Cole, David Bowie, virtually all of the great English new wave hit songs of the 1980s and early 1990s.
Clive Langer and Alan Winstanley were the guys behind the curtain.
I don't know if you've ever heard Come on Eileen by Dexy's Midnight Runners.
Come on Eileen, oh I swear what he means At this moment, you mean everything.
Now, I'm a terrible singer, but maybe you can make that out.
That song, Langer and Winstanley.
Clive Langer knows Elvis Costello, of course.
They would bump into each other in the way that people in a small world always bump into each other.
And new wave music in the 1980s was a small world.
world. At one point, Langer has his own band, and he was doing a show on a riverboat on the River Mersey.
Costello calls him up.
And he said, oh, I'll come up and play a few songs before you go on.
That's Langer. We met at a pub on Lauriston Road in Hackney in North London.
He's slightly spidery with close -cropped white hair and oversized glasses, and the kind of graciousness that only the English seem to possess.
An absolutely delightful person.
My father is English, and all older, charming Englishmen remind me of my father.
We had some tea. It was all very civilised.
OK, back to Elvis Costello.
He came up and played all his best songs, I mean, his hits, you know, Alison and everything.
Alison, Costello's first big hit.
And then I had to go on and do my first ever show with the same line -up and we weren't as good, you know.
So I don't know, I didn't know quite how to take that.
If you detect a little bit of friction in that, you're not wrong.
Elvis Costello is a genius and, like a lot of geniuses, he has a really strong personality.
A few years pass and Costello's record label decides they want to broaden his commercial appeal.
He has a fanatical following among those who know new wave music.
But the label wants a big commercial hit, so they turn to the hitmakers, Langer and Winstanley.
And the two of them produce a record for Costello called Punch the Clock, which has a number of absolutely exquisite songs, including Shipbuilding, which Langer co -wrote with Elvis Costello.
You collaborate on Punch the Clock, and you like that album.
Yes, he doesn't. And he doesn't?
No. Why is he unhappy with it?
I think it was just too commercial at that time.
He wanted to write something simpler, more live.
He's more of a purist than I am, so I was brought up with psychedelic pop in the mid -60s, so I was kind of like, oh yeah, we can do this, we can do that and he's like, I want it to sound real and like Bob Dylan or something and when you get that right, that's amazing I want to hear a little bit more about Punch the Clock about whether those differences in perspective had an impact on the way the record turned out Not so much on Punch the Clock we didn't have tension we had tension later, which I'll talk to you about what we did have when we did the playback of Punch the Clock but we got quite
drunk and played it back really loud.
Of course they did.
And how much would you kill to have been in the room with them?
And he kind of freaked out, said it's all rubbish.
It's terrible, it's terrible.
And I had to calm him down a bit, and we all carried on.
When the time comes to make the next album, Costello turns to Langer and Wynn Stanley again.
Only this time... The first thing he said is, I want to call it Goodbye Cool World.
I think it's going to be my last album.
He didn't even tell the band, so he was confiding in me.
They do a first run -through, recording all the songs live.
Langer is the producer, the one who's supposed to be running the show, but immediately there's an issue.
Elvis basically takes over.
Because he's quite a forceful, powerful guy, very eloquent and, you know, lovely, but he can sort of barge in and start...
changing things when you know so i remember saying to him thanks for letting me be here to listen to you make your record you know but uh i don't think it should go like that shouldn't be like this you know like so it's a bit we were a bit of a standoff i think he went out and bought a half bottle of gin and i asked langer why costello said this was going to be his last album it's not like like he was an old man ready to retire.
He wasn't even 30. It's just, he'd had a lot on his back, you know, he'd been through a lot.
I don't know if he wanted to carry on playing the game at that point.
The result is disastrous.
I hated Goodbye Cruel World when I first heard it.
And remember, I'm a massive Elvis Costello fan.
A couple of years ago, Costello did a television variety show called Spectacle.
Ladies and gentlemen, will you please welcome to the stage the one and only Mr. Nick Lowe!
And in the episode where he interviews Nick Lowe and Richard Thompson, the camera pans the audience, and twice you see me, grinning madly.
As I said, I'm a massive Elvis Costello fan, and believe me when I say, Goodbye Cruel World was unlistenable.
Especially Deportees Club.
It was angry and loud and upsetting.
And I'm not the only one who feels that way.
In 1995, the album is re -released by Rykodisc Records, and Elvis Costello writes in the liner notes, Congratulations, you've just purchased our worst album.
You have to kind of admire his honesty.
Except on that same re -release, Costello includes a new version of Deportees Club, one of the songs on the original album he hates so much. He gives it a new melody and plays it by himself, an acoustic version, shortens the title to Deporte, fiddles with some of the lyrics, and it never appears anywhere else, just on this random re -release by Ryko Disc Records, whatever that is.
And I would never have heard it, except that my friend Bruce ran across it and played it for me.
Bruce, by the way, was also in the audience of that Elvis Costello TV show, grinning madly.
Anyway, Bruce and I used to make mixtapes for each other, and he puts this new version, Deporte, on a mixtape for my birthday, and I become obsessed with it.
I'll bet I sing parts of it to myself almost every day.
I don't really know why, but it might be one of my favorite songs ever.
There's a line in it that jumps into my head whenever I'm sad.
It's so perfect. A little couplet about the dissolution of romantic love.
And you don't know where to start or where to stop.
All this pillow talk is finally talking shop.
Can we play it? Yeah.
Yeah. I'm in the pub with Clive Langer, the producer of the original awful version, Deportees Club.
Strangely, he'd never heard the new, obscure and amazing version of the song he produced so long ago.
Want to hear the, uh...
His new version. Yeah.
Yeah. So I found it on my iPhone and Langer leaned his head over the table so that his ear would be right next to the tiny phone speaker.
Let's see, is this the one?
In the air of the dirt you rule, nightclub bar and grill.
Stand in a fire of glass rule, watch your time stand still.
All your troubles you confess to another faceless path of stress.
You know, it sounds like he's found the song.
But he didn't know at the time either that that's what the song, I mean, that's what's sort of fascinating, that neither of you in the moment No, well, sometimes, you know, if it's not sounding right, maybe, I don't know, maybe we were not focused enough.
You know, maybe we were making a record but we were miles away, you know.
In the end, they, Elvis Costello and his producers, all thought they had put out something mediocre.
What they didn't understand until much later was that that mediocrity contained a bit of genius.
It's just that it hadn't become genius yet.
that's what i want to talk about time and iteration what happens when genius takes its sweet time to emerge i know that this is just one three minute song maybe you don't even like it but every time i hear it i think the same thing which is this is something that gives a lot of people in the world pleasure, including me.
And it almost didn't happen.
If Elvis Costello doesn't go back and revisit Deportees Club, turn it into Deportee, we miss all that beauty.
And the thought of that breaks my heart.
There's a theory about creativity that I've always loved.
It's an idea that an economist named David Galenson came up with.
Galenson is an art lover, and it strikes him when looking at modern art that there are two very different trajectories that great artists seem to take.
On the one hand, there are those who do their best work very early in their life.
They tend to work quickly, they have very specific ideas that they want to communicate, and they can articulate those ideas clearly.
They plan precisely and meticulously, then they execute.
Boom. Galenson calls them conceptual innovators.
Picasso is a great example.
He bursts on the scene in his early 20s and electrifies the art world at the turn of the last century.
I think that someone like Picasso is who we have in mind when we think of that word genius.
But Galenson says, wait a minute, there's another kind of creativity.
He calls it experimental experimental innovation.
Experimental innovators are people who never have a clear, easily articulated idea.
They don't work quickly.
When they start off, they don't really know where they're going.
They work by trial and error.
They do endless drafts.
They're perpetually unsatisfied.
It can take them a lifetime to figure out what they want to say.
Who's a good example?
Cezanne. Every bit as famous and important a painter as Picasso may be the greatest of the Impressionists who reinvent modern art in Paris in the late 1800s.
With Cezanne's genius and Picasso's genius, they could not be more different.
Why don't we start with your favourite?
Do you have a favourite in this room?
Well, maybe my favourite at the moment is that one, the bag.
I'm talking to a man named John Elderfield.
He's a Cezanne expert, and he took me to that gallery at the Metropolitan Museum in New York where they have all of their Cezannes.
easily a few billion dollars worth of paintings in one room.
And it took only about five minutes, wandering from picture to picture with Elderfield to see experimental genius in action.
So this is one of the many portraits of his wife that Cezanne made.
And it's one of four pictures done in a short period of time when they were living together in Paris.
The Cezanne we're looking at is a picture of a middle -aged woman, seated, her head is tilted slightly to the side.
As with a lot of Cezanne's portraits, we can see only one of her ears.
He didn't like doing the second ear.
She's sitting quietly, almost floating in the chair.
And I think it's arguably, you know, one of the greatest portraits that he did.
It's one of a series of four similar portraits.
Elderfield says that the first two are a little smaller, looser, maybe one traced from another.
And then a third, much like the one we're looking at but without any background painted in, just the figure Is this very typical of the way he worked?
So he essentially comes back to her four times and you think he gets it right Notice my assumption here Because what I was thinking when I said that bit about he gets it right the fourth time was that if Cezanne did four versions he must have been marching towards some kind of preordained conclusion conclusion.
He has an idea and he's perfecting it.
But that's not Cézanne.
Standard practice is you do a sketch, work out the problems, do a finished version.
Cézanne kind of starts in the middle.
The fourth version of Cézanne's portrait of his wife, the one we're looking at, is less finished than his second and third versions.
For example here you can see these unfinished parts, putatively unfinished parts.
I mean like the area of the dress there where there's like You can really see the ground of the canvas and all the way through the lower part.
You can see he's been putting these breaststrokes down and not actually filling them all together.
Cézanne didn't work according to some clear, linear plan.
He basically just did versions over and again, iteration after iteration, trying to stumble on something that seized his imagination.
Many of Cézanne's paintings are unsigned because he doesn't want to admit to himself that he's done.
He does portraits of his art dealer Ambrose Villard, and he makes them come for a hundred sittings.
A hundred? A hundred.
Normally they would be how many in that yard?
Well, I mean, normally for portraits it would just be a relatively short number.
I mean, five or something.
Why does he need a hundred?
Exactly. I mean, what's he doing all the time?
Cezanne was never finished.
This is what David Galanson means by experimental genius.
And Galanson points out that you can see this creative type in virtually every field.
Herman Melville publishes Moby Dick when he's 32.
Writes it in a heartbeat.
He's Picasso. Mark Twain publishes Huck Finn when he's in his late 40s, and it takes him forever because he ends up obsessively rewriting and rewriting the ending.
He's Cezanne. Orson Welles does Citizen Kane when he's 24, Picasso.
Caso. Alfred Hitchcock doesn't reach his prime until his mid -50s, after he spent his entire career making one thriller after another, playing with the genre over and over again.
C 'est en. But there's one field where I think Galenson's theory plays out the most powerfully, and that's music.
And hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah That's the song Hallelujah.
It was composed by the Canadian songwriter Leonard Cohen, but basically everybody has done a cover of Hallelujah.
Rufus Wainwright, U2, Jeff Buckley, Bon Jovi, John Cale, Bob Dylan, I could go on.
It's featured in countless TV and movie soundtracks.
If you ride the New York City subway on a regular basis, you'll probably hear a busker singing it virtually every day.
Like a good Canadian, I go to a Canada Day celebration every year at Joe's Pub in Manhattan, where local artists sing cover versions of Canadian songs.
Every year, someone does a version of Hallelujah.
Every year, it brings down the house.
And here's what's interesting about that song.
It is so not Picasso.
It is Cezanne, textbook Cezanne.
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It's called The Holy or the Broken, and one of the big themes is how peculiar Leonard Cohen is.
He's a poet, a tortured poet.
He is a writer in that way, that he labors over what these lyrics are.
Line by line, and word -by -word throws a lot away, spends a great deal of time.
And Hallelujah, famously out of all of these, is probably the song that he says bedeviled him the most. That's Alan Light.
He came by my house one day to talk about Hallelujah.
He sort of was chasing some idea with this song and couldn't find it and just kept writing and writing and depending when he tells the story, wrote 50 or 60 or 70 verses for this song.
You've been writing about music for many, many years Have you ever heard of a musician who wrote 80 different verses?
I don't think so and I don't know if that means variations on verses I don't know if that means entirely like how much of this is exaggeration but it doesn't matter It's a whole other level Well, there's the famous story that Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan have this kind of mutual admiration thing and apparently they met up in the 80s at some point they were both in Paris and they went to meet at a cafe, and Dylan said, oh, I like that song, Hallelujah, which is a fascinating piece of this story that really the first person who paid attention to Hallelujah as an important song was Bob Dylan.
But he said to Leonard, you know, I like that song.
How long do you work on that?
And Leonard said, I told him that I'd worked on it for two years.
Which was a lie. Cohen later confessed it took him much longer.
Then Cohen asks Dylan how long it took him to write the song I and I.
And Bob said, yeah, 15 minutes.
Dylan is Picasso. With Leonard, it's not the first thought, best thought school at all.
And he talks about, you know, being in a hotel room in his underwear, banging his head on the floor because he couldn't solve this song Hallelujah.
Leonard Cohen spends five years writing Hallelujah.
He finally records it in 1984.
It's for an album called Various Positions.
When Cohen finishes recording the songs, he takes them to his record label, which is CBS.
To the head of CBS, who's this legendary figure named Walter Yetnikoff, who's the guy who releases Michael Jackson's Thriller and Bruce Springsteen's Born in USA.
Not a dumb guy. Yetnikoff listens to Cohen's songs and says, What is this?
We're not releasing it.
It's a disaster. The album ends up being released by the independent label Passport Records.
It barely makes a ripple.
And if you go back and listen to that first Hallelujah and try to forget how beautiful future versions would be, the song's failure makes sense.
It's not there yet.
There's an essay written by Michael Parthel about the trajectory of Hallelujah, and he calls Cohen's original version so hyper -serious that it's almost satire.
Hallelujah Hallelujah Kind of turgid, isn't it?
But Cohen's not done.
He keeps tinkering with it.
He plays it in concerts and he slows it down.
It becomes twice as long.
He changes the first three verses, leaving only the final verses the same.
The song becomes even darker this time around.
Yeah, I've seen your flag on the marble arch But listen love, love is not some kind of victory march No, it's a call and it's ever outbroken Hallelujah Hallelujah One night, Cohen is playing this version at the Beacon Ballroom in New York, and the musician John Cale happens to be in the audience.
Cale is a legend, used to be in the Velvet Underground, a really pivotal figure in the rock and roll avant -garde.
He hears this song come out of Cohen's mouth, and he's blown away.
So he asks Cohen to send him the lyrics.
He wants to do a version of it, so Cohen faxes him 15 pages.
ages. Who knows what the lyrics actually are at this point.
Cale says that for his version, he took the cheeky parts.
He ends up using the first two verses of the original combined with three verses from the live performance.
And Cale changes some words.
Most importantly, he changes the theme and brings back the biblical references that Cohen had in the album version.
Kale is really the one who cracks the code of Hallelujah, according to Alan Light.
This cover version appears on a Leonard Cohen tribute album put together by a French music magazine.
It was called I'm Your Fan, came out in 1991.
Almost nobody bought I'm Your Fan except, weirdly, me.
I think I found it in a remainder bin in a little record store on Columbia Road in Washington, D .C.
Another person who bought I'm Your Fan was a woman named Janine who lived in Park Slope in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn. She was good friends with a young aspiring singer named Jeff Buckley.
He used to house -sit at her apartment, and one time when Buckley's there, he happens to see the CD of I'm Your Fan.
He plays it. He hears John Cale's version of Hallelujah and decides to do his own version of that version.
He performs it at a tiny little bar in the East Village called Chenet, where he happens to be heard by an executive from Columbia Records.
So Columbia Records ends up signing Buckley, and he records his version of Hallelujah for the album Grace, which ends up being Buckley's first and only studio album.
It came out in 1994.
Now, I'm guessing that Buckley's version is the one you're most familiar with.
It's the famous one, the definitive one.
It's not really a cover of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah.
It's a cover of John Cale's cover of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah, only with Cale's piano swapped out for a guitar.
And of course, Buckley swaps out Cale's voice for his own extraordinary voice.
Hallelujah Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah.
Every subsequent cover, and there have been hundreds, are really covers of Buckley covering Cale covering Cohen.
Owen. So the evolution finally stops.
But wait, not really.
Buckley records a song in 1994.
Still nobody particularly pays attention to it.
I mean, again, in retrospect, we think of Jeff Buckley as this very important figure and this big influence on Radiohead and Coldplay, but nobody bought Grace, nobody bought Jeff's record when it came out.
It peaked at number 160 on the charts or something.
It was a huge disappointment after all the hype around him.
So that didn't make it a hit.
Buckley is this incredibly handsome man, looks almost ethereal, like Jesus, with that incredible voice.
But none of that is enough until 1997, when something tragic happens.
Buckley's in Memphis, and he goes swimming in one of the channels of the Mississippi.
He's wearing boots and all his clothing and singing the chorus of Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin, and he vanishes, never seen again.
And that tragedy suddenly propels his work and Hallelujah into the spotlight.
And it's really kind of, you know, as you hit the new century, that's when the snowball kind of starts.
The first few covers, the first few soundtrack placements.
It's 15 years since Leonard recorded this song.
15 years. And think about how many incredible twists and turns that song takes before it gets recognized as a work of genius.
It just happens that the independent label Passport Records releases the first version after the album it's on is rejected by CBS Records.
Then Leonard Cohen doesn't give up, keeps tinkering and performing new versions of Hallelujah.
John Cale, one of the most influential musicians of his era, happens to hear Cohen doing that.
He revises the song some more.
Cale's version goes out on the obscure French CD I'm a Fan, which goes nowhere except Janine's living room in Park Slope.
And Janine happens to have a house sitter who happens to play it, happens to like it and happens to have an ethereal, amazing voice Buckley's version goes nowhere until he happens to die under the most dramatic and heartbreaking of circumstances and then, finally we recognize the genius of this song but think about how fragile and elusive that bit of genius is if any of those incredibly random things don't happen you probably would never have heard Hallelujah allelujah i don't think this crazy chain of happenstance matters so much with conceptual innovations paul simon once says a bridge over
troubled water one of the most beautiful pop songs ever written it came so fast and when it was done i said where did that come from It Doesn't Seem Like Me.
The song came out perfectly.
You can evaluate it right away.
It doesn't require 15 years worth of twists and turns and random events.
The world is really good at capturing conceptual creations.
Or at least, we don't miss as many conceptual works, because they don't require that the stars be perfectly aligned.
But if you're Cezanne, and the first version you produce is just a starting point, and you never know exactly what you're doing or why or whether your work is finished or not, the stars really do have to be aligned.
Cezanne was his own worst enemy in a way.
He threw up barrier after barrier.
He wasn't thinking of us when he painted his paintings.
That was really John Elderfield's point.
The art of the experimental innovator is elusive.
There are some of them which now are in museums which we know he had tried to destroy.
I mean, you can see in some of them the cases of where he slashed the canvases.
Why would he destroy his own canvases?
You know, he had certain ideas about what he wanted to do and felt he actually never was actually getting to that point.
There are other paintings done much later where he simply abandons them.
And Picasso said that, you know, what actually engages us is Cezanne's doubt, his uncertainty.
He's obsessive. Yeah, he's absolutely, just totally obsessive.
Elvis Costello. Deportee in its original flawed form.
It comes out in 1984, the same year, by the way, that Hallelujah first came out.
And I'm not sure that's a coincidence coincidence because 1984 is a very particular moment in pop music.
The biggest album of that year was Michael Jackson's Thriller, pop music gloss to perfection.
There's not a single stray note or emotion on that record. It's the antithesis of songs like Hallelujah or Deportee.
Along comes Costello.
He wants to make an album in the midst of that cultural moment and he's not interested in glossy perfection.
His marriage is breaking up.
He's having financial difficulties.
He says later that Langer and Winstanley were ill -equipped for dealing with someone of my temperament at that time.
A nurse with a large sedative syringe might have been more appropriate.
Costello writes a series of dark emotional bitter songs gritty and spare to match his mood.
Something not 1984.
Meanwhile Langer and Winstanley have been brought on board to produce hits, polished, exquisite.
Every little bit was pondered over and thought about and put together very carefully.
I mean, you had bands like Screedly Politi at that time, you know, spending nine months on a song and Trevor Horn spending four weeks on the snare sound for Two Tribes.
Two Tribes was an album by a hugely popular band called Frankie Goes to Hollywood, and they spent a month just getting a particular drum sound right.
So we weren't that pernickety, but we were dealing with a world that was, you know, perfection.
We were trying to make pop perfection.
You can imagine what happened when that world collides with Elvis Costello.
Some of it just sounded like...
I mean, even the band were kind of not very excited by some of the material.
So it wasn't a great experience, but we did it very quickly.
What does quickly mean?
I mean, in the time it took Trevor Horn to get a snare sound for Two Tribes.
So it was about three or four weeks.
Yeah. The whole album.
It was a mess. Perfectionism in a hurry.
That's how you get to the bitter words.
Congratulations, you've just bought my worst album.
Goodbye Cruel World is not good.
It's unlistenable. But it's what happens next that matters.
You know how people always say, put your failures behind you.
Get on with your life.
Never look back. Elvis Costello does none of those things.
Because he's Cezanne.
He's not Picasso. He carries around a little black book where he writes draft after draft after draft of the songs he's thinking about.
He changes lines in the middle of songs he's already recorded.
He rearranges songs at different tempos or in different time signatures.
He cannibalizes his own work, creating new songs out of old songs.
And I don't know where to start or where to stop.
He doesn't want to sign his name to the painting And thank God there are people like him and Cezanne in this world Because without the obsessives and the perpetually dissatisfied And the artists who go back over and over again Repainting what others see as finished We would never have seen the beauty of Deportee And you don't know where to start or where to stop All this pillow talk is nothing more than Finally talking shop You've been listening to Revisionist History.
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