Welcome to the podcast.
My name is jack and i'm here with my co-host social, and today we're going to talk about censorship and we're going to talk about uh, the politics in the united states and uh, first amendment rights, which is uh, the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly uh, freedom of the press right, isn't that?
I think that's all um captured under our very first amendment, if i'm not mistaken.
Um yep, i just i paraphrased it because i don't have it memorized, but uh, It's not very complicated.
You have the right to say what you want to say.
No one can lock you up for it.
But unfortunately, you can get fired for things you say.
So what do you think about the situation in America, where the comedian Jimmy Kimmel just recently got fired or suspended, I guess, for making jokes about the president recently?
And Charlie Kirk, I believe.
Yeah, that was wild.
So the context of what he actually said um, for our students who haven't seen it, it was a very mild.
He was just saying like um, Basically his big joke that got him fired was just showing a clip of President Trump where they asked President Trump hey, how are you holding up after your friend Charlie Kirk passed away?
And he said, I'm doing fine, I think.
You can see there's construction going on here for my new ballroom.
He couldn't he couldn't even he couldn't even pretend to care about Charlie Kirk for one sentence.
Like in mid sentence he pivoted to the ballroom and talking about construction, which is like I mean, he can't even.
He can't even fake his like empathy.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's awful.
Yeah.
It is really bad.
It was so crazy because he just went to talking like, pivoted immediately to talking about how he's getting a new ballroom constructed in the presidential White House, and just so self-centered and callous.
It's just insane that someone who is politicizing his death and pretending to care so much about Charlie Kirk it was just callous.
He couldn't pretend to care.
And all Jimmy Kimmel did was show that clip.
He did not.
Yeah.
He didn't do anything else.
That was it.
It wasn't some big joke.
He really didn't say anything hateful or bad about Charlie Kirk.
He didn't even say anything bad about the president.
He literally just used the president's own words and showed a clip of the president.
Following that episode, he was literally cancelled.
This is a very famous talk show host in the United States.
He was cancelled off the air and his entire show was cancelled off.
That one incident yeah, i mean this is, this is insanity, like this is crazy.
I mean you can um, people are getting fired.
Now here's a quote.
Okay so uh, i'm gonna uh.
Who said this?
Okay, this is a quote.
This is a test for you social.
I don't care that he, i don't care that he's dead, he's not a hero, he's a scumbag.
He shouldn't be celebrated.
Who said those comments about charlie kirk?
No that, Charlie Kirk said those comments about George Floyd.
Oh, about George Floyd.
Yes.
So this is the guy that we're supposed to be so sorry, feeling so sorry for right now, because he got assassinated when George Floyd was also assassinated.
And Charlie Kirk's response to his death was, I don't care that he's dead.
He's not a hero.
He's a scumbag.
He shouldn't be celebrated.
So...
You know, I mean, it's just and it's just kind of ironic.
You know that George Floyd happened to be black and Charlie Kirk happens to be white.
And, you know, it's like, I mean, come on.
I mean, it's just it's it's just pure gaslighting.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's like you you you quote people are quoting Charlie Kirk.
They're saying the words that he said.
They're writing them on their Facebook.
And there are some pretty reprehensible, horrible things that he said there.
And then getting fired for for quoting him.
It's like now we're not even allowed to quote people's actual words.
For quoting the president as well, because he didn't even quote any of the negative things that Charlie Kirk said.
And so it was just like because it made Donald Trump look bad.
Donald Trump's own words made Donald Trump look bad.
And just playing that clip that Donald Trump. said and presented to the media with his full consent just playing that clip publicly on air just because it makes like the president made himself look bad they canceled jimmy kimmel and it's crazy because jimmy kimmel is a white man he's affluent he's like very wealthy um he's had this talk show host for years he really he really is like kind of he's closer to a centrist i would say than liberal or right he's like left of center you know he's got some nice uh healthcare viewpoints and stuff but he's definitely right in the you know like uh elitist you know liberal elite right yeah yeah and it's for for a white man to get canceled off something like that i mean we are in fascism I totally agree.
This is the beginning, or we could say nascent that's a good vocabulary word for our students.
Stages of fascism.
Other people would disagree and say we're right in the middle of it.
I still think it's kind of early stages, but it's ramping up.
But here's the thing that – this is the thing that I think is the dangerous game that the right wing is playing by doing this.
The left also kind of cultural pushback, right?
Like cultural cancel culture, right?
Like actual culture, not –
Not fake, you know like like, I would say like.
The Republicans right now are acting like they have some kind of mandate to be, to control the culture, the laws everything, just by.
You know fiat, almost you know, and Americans do not like to be told how to mourn, how to.
You know how to think in certain crisis situations, you know.
And it doesn't end well for whatever group is doing the canceling.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it just leaves a bad taste in American people's mouths in general.
Like, they don't like it, you know.
Like, don't tell me.
Freedom of speech is one of our basis of our constitution.
And yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry, Jack, I didn't mean to cut you off.
I mean, the thing is, freedom of speech means you can't go to jail for things you say.
Right.
But it doesn't mean that a private company can't fire you.
That is true.
That is true.
But Jimmy Kimmel was not fired by a private company for no reason.
It was the president of the United States put pressure on that company to fire him.
So that is a First Amendment violation, if you ask me.
Like the president is the most powerful person in the world.
Like he's the leader of America.
So if he's picking and choosing who he wants to be, you know, only people that say good things about me get to have a TV show.
That seems like that's trampling all over the First Amendment right there.
That's not a private company just making a business decision.
So what do you think about that?
Well, I agree with you.
I think that – and it's scary.
I think that – I mean, it shows how problematic it is that our media is also run by these like private companies.
And total cowards, just pathetic losers.
They're going to be way worse off if they just capitulate every time, if they just surrender.
They're going to be way worse off in the future anyway.
I don't understand why they don't just stand up to a bully.
It's crazy.
And then Trump went on just, did you see that interview he did just recently?
I don't think I saw it.
No, I missed it.
It's like he literally just did this interview and they said you know, he said that he canceled.
He felt like Jimmy Kimmel should be canceled over hate speech.
And they were like, well, that wasn't hate speech.
And then this woman who was interviewing him said, well, Charlie Kirk didn't believe in hate speech.
What would you say to that?
And Donald Trump, I quote, literally replied to her, well, he might not be saying that anymore.
Oh, what a callous, cold thing to say.
Can you imagine that?
It's so, it's like, it's like, it's like dystopian.
It's not even dystopian.
It's like, it's so bold-faced.
Well, you want to turn to these Christians that are doing, you know, going to these like weird little memorials all over the country where they put like a picture of of Charlie Kirk in front of a congregation and they all pray and sing songs and stuff.
And you're like, are you, hello?
Are you hearing this?
Like, did you, how can you, you know what I mean?
Like, but I think it's, it's, you know, it's a cult.
Like it is as frustrating as trying to deprogram a family member who's a member of some kind of weird cult, religious cult.
You know what I mean.
There is a point in the process where you are almost completely cleaved from reality.
Like.
No facts or truth or amount of argumentation or pointing out any good points or anything is even going to make any difference.
It's just like a train that can't be – the brakes are broken.
It's just pointless to try to slow it down.
The only thing that can happen is it's going to crash and then eventually –
All the pieces get picked up and – like in some instances, like the Jonestown Massacre in the 1970s or 80s ends with like four or five hundred people, a thousand people, I don't know, drinking poisonous Kool-Aid and killing themselves.
Or the Hale-Bopp comet, you know another mass suicide.
You know it's just like um, it's i've never seen it on such a large scale before.
But it's just like dealing with family members and people who believe in in this, that donald trump is a patriot and that charlie kirk was a saint and that.
You know, just ignoring all the facts of like, the reality of the past and just like acting like um.
You know they're in a totally different storyline.
You know like they're inventing it and story and it's, it is weird, it's just like it's.
It's unlike anything i've ever experienced in my life and it's very frustrating because it's like it's very much about like gaslighting the other side too right, so it's like i deny, deny that things that happened and things that were really said were said, and then they always say like, what about the context?
What about the context?
And the context just always makes it worse somehow, not better.
Yeah, that somehow the context is going to save it.
I mean it's it's, it's poisonous and i mean what do you think about about, about this administration?
Like do you think we're we're?
I mean I think, after this whole thing happened, I'm kind of scared of fascism.
I feel like we're right there.
Yeah, it's just going to be – it's just another – they just need one more event.
This is like – but the thing is they tried to make the Charlie Kirk thing the inciting event, but it just didn't have enough – he was just too controversial a figure to – um, to make it happen.
You know what I mean?
I mean, there's just too many.
It just wasn't.
It wasn't they.
They tried their hardest, you know to to make him a saint.
You know, Taylor was actually right wing.
And so they flubbed the ball on that.
Well, I mean, they, they just go for anything.
They can, they, any political points they can score, they're just going to use whatever they have.
I think they're going to create a crisis um, and then point at it and go look what a huge crisis we have.
We need to lock down.
We need martial law.
We need no more rights.
You just need a strong man to protect you during this horrible time when actually crime is the lowest it's been since, like the 1960s in America.
I mean, there's absolutely no –
I mean we do have a gun violence problem, but we know what that is.
It's because America has too many guns.
It's just – if you stick 400 million guns in a country, you're going to have gun problem.
It's just like –
Well, you can go shop, get your groceries and a gun in the same place, Walmart.
Yeah, you could go to the bank and buy it.
Sometimes they give you a gun as like a gift if you open a bank account.
That's insane.
Yeah, that's so cringy.
Context is also makes a huge difference, because it's like oh, you're quoting him out of context.
Um no, what context means?
Out of context means, when i the when you get the full context, the opposite is true.
Not, just not not.
It doesn't mean that this, it doesn't change at all.
Do you know what i mean?
Like yes, the context.
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It means usually that the opposite is true, you know?
But in his case, people are keep going like, well, what's the full context?
And I'm like, all right, I'll read the whole paragraph.
And it's just the same.
It's just racism.
You know, it's just the black people.
If anything, it's a little worse.
Right.
It's usually just buried a little deeper, you know, like in the racism hole.
Yeah.
Or misogyny hole or whatever, you know, you want to call it because it's he was a misogynist.
He was also a racist and he was also, you know, bigot against like transgender people, LGBTQ plus, you know, I mean just you name it.
He was, you know, misogynist.
Yeah, i know this is not about charlie kirk, but i mean he he got kind of captured young by this like billionaire when he's like 18 to start, like you know um, doing these, you know debates and stuff.
And i just feel like like if the guy had actually had a chance to uh, i don't know, i feel like he might have come around eventually, but i maybe i'm wrong, you know, but he might have actually used his powers for good, you know what i mean, instead of uh for nefarious purposes.
I feel like he is a guy that would have, you know, could have been a good person on the left.
You know, understanding the psychology of the right.
But I don't know.
I always got the feeling that maybe at one point down the road he might actually have a come to Jesus moment.
But I don't know.
Maybe it was just my wishful thinking.
It's sad.
You know generous, you're more generous than me, because i am like yeah okay, get rid of that guy.
Not, you know, kill him, obviously not literally, but you know, just figuratively.
Yeah, not part of the, the national spotlight, or whatever.
Yeah yeah yeah, so i just do.
You think what will happen with jimmy kimmel is fascism like, what's your opinion on that?
This is – it's all fascism.
What ICE is doing, terrorizing communities based on the color of their skin.
That is really scary.
Yeah.
I mean ICE is one component of it.
I would say media censorship and propaganda is another one.
Fox News has become –
Because here's the – this is all you need to know about the hypocrisy of the two-party system we have in America right now.
So Jimmy Kimmel basically just made a little joke about Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk and his kind of lack of sympathy.
And then on the other side, the Fox News host the same week, said we should just kill – involuntarily euthanize, which means kill homeless people.
And he received zero backlash.
I mean he got backlash, but he didn't receive any sort of suspension or risk of being fired for saying let's murder homeless people.
And other people just quoted Charlie Kirk word for word verbatim and got fired.
So this fascism, you know like we're in fascism now, because when one side goes like I can say let's kill homeless people and not have to deal with anything.
And another group goes, well, I just don't want to.
I'm not into mourning the way you are because I didn't really care for him when he was alive.
So I'm not going to pretend to care about him when he's dead.
You're fired.
You know, right.
Like that is not this.
That's that's that's two different rules for for the same game.
You know what I mean?
Like that, like people did not even say any really anything about Charlie.
What he said was basically criticizing the president because he doesn't.
He used Donald Trump's own words against him.
That just showed that Donald Trump doesn't actually give a flying rat behind about uh, charlie kirk.
He just proved that don trump doesn't care at all from his own words, his own actions, his own admission does not care at all about charlie kirk and is just using the death to politicize.
Like if this is someone that you've actually cared about and you weren't just using the death of politicized, you would have, for at least a sentence just for that question, said you know, i am really sorry, my heart goes out to his family, we're doing what we can to support and you could have finished the sentence.
You know um, if i came, if you know if, if you, if some, if a good friend loses a parent or something, and i go like i'm so sorry for your loss, and the kid goes like, thank you, and have you seen my new, my new uh car that i bought?
You know like um, and let's run outside of the church and look at my new car.
It's like, that'd be so weird.
You know what I mean?
Like I, you know, do you care?
You know, your parent just died and you're concerned.
You want to show off your car, you know, your new ballroom, your new toy.
It's just like, it's nuts.
Let's say anyone close or whatever, but even in that, it's like, you know, Bernie Sanders, knock on wood.
That's, that's my man.
That's like, I love his, his, I stand for everything Bernie stands for.
Like he's amazing.
And if he passed away and someone asked me how I felt, I would say, you know, I'm devastated.
I'm devastated.
Or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, you know, again, knock on wood.
If she passed away and someone asked me how I felt, I would be devastated.
I would say, you know what, I'm devastated.
I hope their family's okay.
Like, I'm really saddened by the news.
Like, if anything like that happened, I would be so devastated.
Yeah, I mean, this is what I'm scared about right now.
Is the next stage is getting rid of political dissidents, right?
So Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, Jayapal – I forgot her first name –
And Mamdani – I mean, these are the progressive – young progressive people that are going to either change our country or they're going to get destroyed by this regime that knows how dangerous they're – ideals are, how big of a threat they are to, because they're very popular.
These people are very, very popular.
So yeah, I mean, I'm just yeah, we're in a season of political violence right now in America.
You know, like the 1960s, where there were, like assassination after assassination, after assassination, and i'm very much concerned for you know um, our politicians that are, you know, fighting the good fight and doing doing the work, and and you know also public personalities like like uh, you know podcasters on the left that are, you know, willing to speak truth to power that doesn't come at a that comes at a price.
You know like um, you got nut jobs that are willing to, you know, shoot you.
Or you've got a government that's willing to trample on your first amendment rights and just lock you up indefinitely.
Like that's where we're heading, because we're only a year into donald trump's presidency.
Like we've got three more years of this, like what is months in man, like like a whole year, and then project 2025.
I mean, I'm embarrassed, to be honest, because I did not like you know, 2016 Trump's presidency.
I was really devastated when he got elected.
And then through the the presidency, I just kind of stopped taking it so seriously because it was not that much of a dumpster fire.
Like how project 2025 is literally a dumpster fire.
And I'm just embarrassed because I didn't really, I wasn't really worried at first.
You know, They came prepared this time.
Last time they weren't – they didn't know how to – they didn't understand how to manipulate government and how to do it from the inside.
Now they figured it out.
They spent four years basically in think tanks figuring out how to do it.
And the real president is Stephen Miller.
This is all his – this is his show the hatred, the bigotry, the terrorists, the terroristic – the terrorizing of immigrant communities.
I mean, he's, he just hates those people so much.
He just, he just, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a dark, this is a dark time for America.
I mean, just very, very dark.
I think one of the worst things about this whole thing is just that I think that it hurts me.
It's hard for me to say this, but Donald Trump is kind of charismatic and Oh, for sure.
That's his thing.
That's number one on the checklist of fascistic leaders.
You must be charismatic.
Yeah, and he is charismatic.
And I think the other thing that really helped him get elected is that he spoke in plain English that every layman could understand, and he just didn't seem, even though everything he was saying was a lie.
Yeah, he broke every promise yeah yeah, he just did not seem pretentious like these people, like even kamala, like She just seems so pretentious.
And then the Democrats really fumbled everything, because they were swearing up and down that Joe Biden was, you know, fit to serve.
Oh, yeah.
He wasn't.
He wasn't fit to serve.
And then when he had and then and then you see Trump just demolish him on the debate stage.
There was a point where Joe Biden said where Joe Biden said something.
Then Trump said, I don't know what he said.
I don't think he even knows what he said.
And it was funny and it was true.
And that was like the hardest part to watch of someone who is hoping, in a two-party system, that at least the lesser of the two evils gets elected.
It was hard to watch him totally destroy Joe Biden.
And then...
Kamala had to come up and and take Joe Biden's place.
By that time, it was too late.
And a lot of people lost trust and faith in the Democratic Party because they're like well, you told us that Joe was cool to serve and it was clear he wasn't.
So what else are you kind of hiding, you know?
No, a Democrat party is completely a rudderless ship floating in the middle of the ocean and with no leadership.
It's absolutely, they're nowhere, you know?
And so we need young people millennials millennials, to step up and just get you know, it's the most geriatric party in all of politics that you could think of.
Like the average age of the Democrat is like 72 or something.
I mean, you got people at 80.
You had Dianne Feinstein, 100 years old, She didn't even know where she was half the time.
Like she had AIDS, basically telling her, you know like oh, this is.
You know, it's just like when you're 100 years old, why would you be taking a spot away from someone who's 35 or 40?
You know what I mean?
That's what the Republican Party, they bring new blood in, you know, they keep it fresh.
And the Democratic Party is just like you know, once you're in, it's like this lifetime job that you get to just be.
You know, cush job.
It's just crazy.
It really is.
I'm not, you know.
If the if the listeners out there want to know the difference between you know social and me and, like some right winger, the right wingers always going to apologize and be stand up for any Republican politician, no matter how nasty they are.
And social and I will always criticize our own party or not even our own party.
I'm not even a Democrat, but I vote Democrat.
So yeah, but I will criticize them all day long because they're a bunch of feckless losers that deserve to be, you know, chastised because they're pathetic and their leadership sucks.
And so that's the difference.
When you critique your own party versus only never critiquing your own party.
That's a big tell of the difference in ideology.
I don't know if I explained that correctly to our listeners.
You did a great job explaining that.
But yeah, I totally just think It's just getting out of hand.
And so ultimately, students, that's kind of our our rap, our take on Jimmy Kimmel thing.
For those of you who are listening what do you think and what are your country saying about America's current situation?
I know a lot of people are saying, you know, their country advises against traveling to America.
We advise against traveling to America right now.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know a lot of people are saying you know their country's saying that, you know it's on a warning list for fascism and there's a lot going on.
So, I mean, let us know what you think.
We are interested to hear your guys' opinions on this matter.
And I think a couple of exciting little updates that we have here for the end of the episode is that Jack and I are going to start up next week with a fun couple of episodes.
One is Memology and the other one is Debate and um yeah we'll, we'll explain those to you guys a little more when the time comes, but we are so excited and we hope you guys like the new series.
Let us know what kind of content you guys would still be interested in listening to, and we'll see you guys next time.
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