Friends on purpose on three.
One, two, three.
Friends on purpose.
I thought you thought that was being loserish.
I do.
Yeah, right.
We just are born to be best friends.
Me and Benny met at this Mexican restaurant and he said, what can you bring to the table?
And I was like, what?
I thought he's so sweet and he's so himself.
And he told me a story that lasted 40 minutes.
The story was about me pooping my pants.
Yeah.
And you chose that because?
It's my funniest best story.
What was your favorite thing about Benny and Selena's wedding?
Dave officiated.
To see Benny break.
When Selena, when the curtain got revealed and she, his face was like.
Benny, Dave, Kristen, welcome to On Purpose.
Hey, Jay.
Hi.
Benny, come on.
Come on.
Hey!
This is the first time we've had three people on the show together.
First ever time.
Did you know that?
This is the first time someone has come on their own, with their fiancé, then wife and now with their best friends.
So we've never done that before either.
I'm breaking all sorts of records.
You're breaking all sorts of records.
You're competing with Michelle Obama.
She's been on the show twice.
You've been on three times.
This is your third time.
Dave, I'm a huge fan.
Always have been.
Told you that the first time I met you.
I've known you for maybe under a year, but I love you.
Oh, thank you.
Ever since I've met you, I've loved you.
Wow, I appreciate it.
Notice how he doesn't say it back.
I know he loves me.
Yeah, I said it already.
Yeah, he just said it.
Oh, he did?
I was caught up in his eyes.
It's very hard to look.
And Kristen, I've become a huge fan of you.
I can't believe that.
I'm glad, I'm glad.
We're here.
I'm glad that you still like me.
But honestly, guys, this is awesome.
It's so great to have all three of you in the room.
I actually want to know how you all three met because I have no idea.
I don't think I've ever asked you that before.
Well, I guess I'm the glue between the two of the three.
You know, I met Benny.
He basically from the day I put any music out.
He actually the first day I released anything he tweeted like something positive about me.
Wow.
Yeah, so he, like, it was, you know, what a first day to have a guy like him reach out.
And then I, yeah, I, like, said something.
We like kind of communicated back and forth a little bit and then we almost saw each other at one of my concerts and we didn't really hang out, and then I don't The first time we met.
No, we don't know.
We don't know for sure when the very first... We can't place it.
My memory of like the first uh real memory I have is we met at this uh Mexican restaurant and I think
He was maybe trying to sign me or maybe just trying to explain the value that he could add to my life and my career, and I really didn't see any value-added potential.
That's what he said.
It was like a date?
Did he say that?
He said, he said, what can you bring to the table?
And I was like, what?
That was like his first thing he said to me.
Now, in hindsight, I was totally wrong.
What can I bring to the table?
He brings everything.
Best friend, all of your nightlife.
How did you win him over? just proof in the pudding.
Yeah.
I think it was instant.
Also independent of our respective talents, merging and being able to add to each other's talent careers.
We would be best friends if we were like in Arkansas and we both were plumbers.
You know what I mean?
Like, we just are born to be best friends.
And then I met Kristen years later, and then they met because... Wait, wait, wait.
I want to know how you guys met.
Yeah, don't just blast over Kristen.
I wasn't.
You tell the story.
I met Kristen years later uh, bowling alley, a writer on my tv show.
Vanessa kind of set us up and kristen didn't know that i was going to more or less scout me, scout her.
I was being scouted as a romantic, not not for the show no no, romantic partner.
I always told vanessa because i love this woman vanessa, who's one of the main writers on my show and she's a great person i always said keep it, because i was just a hopeless, romantic single guy for like a decade And I would say don't you have any friends?
Don't you know anybody?
And then she would say, yeah, I'm looking around.
And then Kristen had been in a relationship for pretty much her whole life.
And then she kind of got single for like a three week period.
And then Vanessa was bowling with her and she realized, oh my God, Dave.
And then she texted me while she was at the alley, being like hey, I don't know what you're doing.
It was like 10 p.m.
And she was like, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm with someone who might be your wife.
And I dropped everything I was doing and immediately went over there late, joined them late.
They were already done bowling by the time I got there.
So I got to take everyone's turn.
And then we just started talking about nachos.
Didn't you bowl a strike?
I bowled a strike.
First thing I did, I bowled a strike.
Like that was my first.
How did you bowl that out of there?
I just am a good athlete, high-level athlete.
I didn't see it, though.
Oh, you didn't see it?
How?
I didn't see it.
So I think I was doing my own thing, chatting up the group.
Yeah, she was doing her own thing.
Then we started talking about.
I remember one of the first things I said to her were like what are those?
And I pointed to a plate of nachos, and she said, those are nachos.
And I said, I know, I'm just making small talk.
I liked that.
I thought that was such a good, like, intro.
Yeah.
That was his first intro?
Like it was, yeah.
I mean, he sat down next to me and said, what are those?
And I liked that he was like, I'm just making small talk.
I feel like it was like the intro into his personality.
And you were trying.
That was, oh yeah.
Were you trying?
Oh yeah.
Instantly I saw her and I was like, oh my God, Vanessa, good call.
Well, no, you said you didn't like it because I was wearing glasses.
I said it wasn't love at first sight.
I was gonna ask, was it an instant connection for both of you?
Because she was wearing these big glasses.
So I couldn't see her face.
I don't think I've ever seen you in glasses.
Yeah, she doesn't often wear glasses.
I was going through a lot and I was wearing the same clothes for like two weeks straight, and this was my first venture out.
Yeah.
Not shades, like... No, they were, like... Because it was... I think I drove there.
Yeah, I... Yeah, because you drove me home.
Yeah.
Because she never lives in Venice or lived in Venice and I was living in Venice and she happened to be staying in an Airbnb for that week in Venice, so it only made sense for her to be like can I get a ride home?
So then I had an extra 40-minute ride where we just talked.
No, he told me a story that lasted 40 minutes.
Really?
What was the story?
I thought he's so sweet and he's so himself and I was really happy to.
I felt like you had such an ease to you.
That was rare.
You were really willing to be like...
Um, vulnerable.
But I also was like, the story's very long.
The story was about me pooping my pants.
And you chose that because... It's my funniest, best story.
But it was like him talking the entire drive.
So you practiced it before.
It's like a 15-minute story.
And I was like, yeah, I've said it so many times.
And then ironically, I believe that you guys probably for the first time at a bowling alley.
Because remember, right before remember, for my TV show premiere, season one, I had all my friends come in from out of town and we all met at the bowling alley the one time and Kristen was there and I was like don't make it that, like don't say anything that I don't want you to say.
Remember that?
Uh, maybe.
I remember two, I remember two times specifically.
I remember once, like in the very beginning of their relationship.
I remember once, after your actual premiere, and we, like all walked up to my house.
I remember that time, and I remember, like, in that time, being like, this girl's really cool.
I was, like, not thinking like... That was your first impression when he's like, meet my girl.
No, no, no, no.
It was not his girlfriend.
It was a girl.
I wasn't?
No, not then.
In my mind, I was his girlfriend.
In your mind, it was official.
This is the first time you find out about this?
And then the turning point really in their relationship, I think was that night at our birthday party.
I remember it so clearly.
I do.
Is that what it was for you, Kristen?
You remember it differently.
It's a bad memory.
It wasn't the best... You weren't, like, exhibiting the best behavior.
No, I was lashing out.
Do you want to hear what happened, Jay?
Please.
I do want to hear what happened.
Thank you.
We met in, like, January 31st.
We had our birthday party, like, six weeks later.
We have joint birthday parties every year and Look, what I'm about to say is pathetic, but they really were like the Super Bowl of like being a single man.
Like I never would even have a birth, I never would even throw myself a birthday party if it weren't for Benny.
So now, all of a sudden, every year I'm having like the most upscale birthday parties planned by him, completely where all these people and women come.
Lots of women.
And they know it's, like, my party.
And like so there's just this built-in icebreaker where like, people want to come up to me and talk to me.
And I just had this feeling that we were gonna start dating.
And you know, if you know me, you know that I have trouble like wrapping my head around.
Uh, not necessarily commitment, but just like I'm a turn over every stone kind of guy in everything I do.
And it really... The stone was here.
There was nothing else to turn over.
Now, as I continue to tell the story, I want you to know that I'm ashamed of my behavior.
This is not something that I'm proud of.
But I think I just knew that we were going to end up dating.
And But it was too early to be Like I didn't have to commit yet, to be quite honest, which is a really misogynistic thing to say.
And I knew that I didn't have to commit.
And I also knew my days were numbered of having romantic freedom, because I felt like I was about to be totally in a committed relationship.
And I think, I don't know, I just kind of like overreacted.
And for whatever reason, I went into the night being like, I'm not committed to Kristen tonight.
We're not, I'm not necessarily going home with Kristen tonight.
I'm going to do my own thing.
But can I?
Because I didn't do.
You're making it seem like I went in there being like we have to be.
We're married.
No, she didn't do anything.
I'd like to hear Kristen's.
Yeah, please.
I went in there with, like I think there was like seven girlfriends of mine and I played it, so like I don't like to play it cool.
It's very hard for me to play it cool.
I'm glad that Benny thought I was cool when he first met me, but that's not me.
And so I was like, OK, well, this is fun.
I like a party.
I'm just going to be like free and not expect anything from him.
So I didn't all night.
And then, as the night came to an end, it was kind of like well, we all know the expectation that we're going to like hang out.
We haven't hung out yet.
And he just had such a, like you had such a I knew exactly what he was doing.
Like I could sense what he was doing.
And then I think I was like, well, this is lame.
And then it got into a little bit of a like I would say at the end, A flirt battle.
I'd like to interject here.
I'd like to interject.
She started talking to other guys in front of her.
Because he was talking to other girls.
I'd like to interject at this moment.
There was a flirt battle going on back and forth, and it was like so strange.
It was like, yeah, it was like so strange and childish in the moment.
It's like a scene out of a movie.
Yeah.
And we were in such a small area, because now it was like the after party.
It was like such a, like it...
It was like 50 people total.
And I remember going to the bathroom.
There was like a communal bathroom you go into.
And I was like with Dave and we were drunk.
And he was just like... What'd he say?
He was talking about how this was like one of the best nights of his life.
And he was like... Is this the first time you're hearing this story?
Well, sometimes I forget the details.
It was a sad time.
But not really.
It wasn't that sad.
It wasn't a heavy ending.
In the moment she was talking about like leaving and like before we went into the bathroom and she was like visibly upset at this.
She was about to leave.
She might've even have just walked out.
Yeah, she did.
And I was like, okay.
There was like, maybe, I don't remember.
I don't remember if there was tears or anything.
There were tears, but no one saw them.
So that's the tidbit that I'm providing.
So she walks out and I remember talking to Dave and I was like Dave, I was like what are you doing?
I was like, she's so cool.
She's beautiful.
And yeah, it was like his sentiment was kind of like what he was saying where?
He's like what if there's more?
Like, I'm so, like, he was like, I'm about to.
What if there's more?
No, no.
Everything he just said was the subtext, but really all you said I remember specifically you were like I don't know.
You were like I, kind of like Badaluko.
Yeah, that's all he had to say.
That's Kristen's last name.
Yeah, and then at the end, I was like, I don't know.
I was like, I don't know, Chuck.
Like, I really, I like Badaluko.
And then...
And then I called her.
And then he called her.
She was like one foot in the car.
And then she turned around.
It was like out of a movie.
And then we never split up for... What was it for you that went, this is it.
No more stones to be turned over.
Like I'm not the kind of guy that did what I said I just did at the thing.
So I just felt a little bit bad about, I'm just not that guy.
And I don't.
It's like what am I looking for someone else when I have such a great person who wants to hang out with me now?
At that point, i don't think either one of us necessarily knew we were going to get married.
I don't think you knew we were going to get married six weeks ago, remember i think the first thing i said, like on our second date.
I was like is this a dead end?
Well yeah, so I was angling for marriage.
So our second date, she said, is this a dead end?
This is a second date.
If us not getting married is a dead end, it's totally possible that this is a dead end.
But if you're saying it's a dead end if we aren't actually married, I can't answer that question.
Because it's a second date.
Exactly.
But Kristen, from your side, you're angling for marriage on the second date.
You're really clear about what you want.
A, what's making it clear that this is the guy you want to be with?
And B, what's making you confident to be so clear about what you want?
Because I think so many people who listen to the show I know they actually feel quite scared on their second date.
To actually be honest about what they're looking for.
Well, I went into it being like I was 30 and I'd come out of a long relationship and I felt like, like I had this whole narrative in my head which I think the narrative is true that it's like why should women have to kind of play like this game of let them chase you?
Or, like I feel, like so often, even with my friends, like even with Dave, they'd be like don't be too aggressive, like don't.
Because I very much always just said what I wanted, which was like I like taking out with you.
Let's hang out again.
And I felt like I didn't want to waste time like letting him drive the relationship.
So I just thought it's better off that I figure out if we're a bad fit than like let it go too long.
Also, I'm only getting older and It is remarkable how infrequent, I went on a lot of dates.
I dated a lot of people over a 10 year, not really any seriously, but I went on a lot of dates and it's very rare that I was held accountable and, like you know where.
I feel like oftentimes there are games that are played that that are totally predisposed to advantage the man.
And I was very much down to lean into that because it advantaged me.
I was ready to debate.
Like, I was, like, waiting for him to be, like... You were up for the challenge.
Yeah, like, here are all the reasons why, like, why I'm not ready or whatever.
And then I kind of always came into the situation.
Like, we were always able to talk about it.
Like, you would be overwhelmed with, like, your work.
And you thought that because if you're dating somebody, that means that you can't work and have like a career.
So I was always up for the debate.
Do you want to chime in, Benny?
I just think.
I think no, I was thinking about it because it's like I think we're actually in a time where like, I think it's sexy when a woman does that.
Like, when, like, when Selena was doing that to me, like, she was just like her, like, very much.
But we would talk about it, Selena and I. I'd be like, you have to go for these.
You have to go after them.
Yeah and, and it made me like.
It made me be like whoa, like it was like cool, it's like cool.
I was like, oh my god yeah, i want like, because you know dave is saying like uh, you know, you know, sometimes when you're dating someone they might not want to say something, to rock the boat, and like I love when Selena would turn over.
It'd be three in the morning and we were dating for like three weeks and she'd be like well, what are we?
And I was like, what?
And then she was like well, when I go to New York this weekend, what am I going to tell people?
We are
And I was like, it like, she like caught me so off guard.
It's cool to have that dynamic where like both person, both people are like on that same level.
And I think I do see it like.
I feel like I do, because a lot of my friends are like that, where I see women starting to do that a lot more now.
And I think it's, I think it's cool.
Like, I think it shows, like, such a confidence.
Like you know, some people look at it, like some of my friends look at it like oh, like that's so neater.
That's so, I'm like... that's a person telling you exactly what they want.
Like, I don't want to play these games.
And when you're... And it's okay to be needy.
Like, I think it's okay to just exist exactly how you are.
Selena will say that in the morning.
She'll say, like, she'll be like, today's a needy day.
And she'll be, And when you are with someone who can, Because it's so hard when you're trying to play a guessing game.
Like when you're trying to talk with your partner who doesn't express themselves.
It's so difficult to meet them in the right place.
And then they're like harboring all this resentment.
But yeah, like Selena will wake up in the morning and she'll say, okay, today's like a needy day.
I need you to be like extra nice to me, extra gentle.
And then you are set up for success because you know what to do.
I should say on behalf of Dave, like I did trust my instincts, which was that I could tell that Dave, Like I knew who he was as a person and I knew it was just his anxieties that were kind of like overriding this entire situation.
It wasn't like I was like totally shooting in the dark.
Totally.
When I look back on it, like, it is crazy to me that, now that I know her and everything, that I wasn't, after the first day, week, whatever, being like, oh, my God, that's the person I'm gonna... Like, to me, it's so obvious, like, that she is my soulmate.
But it was good that you were that way.
But truly, the only reason I didn't see it was because of my own anxieties wouldn't even allow me to see it.
Because as soon as we started spending more time together, I was like she's the funniest, most beautiful, perfect.
I couldn't even believe that I was.
It was a debate.
And what I said to myself.
I said I always I feel like I was in a lot of relationships where I didn't always feel like I was the one that like chased or I had like all of the agency.
And I would, after my last relationship before Dave, I was like, I want to chase the person I marry.
And I want to be the one that's like choosing because so often you kind of, I don't know.
I felt like so, so many of my past relationships were more like, You're being pursued.
Yeah, or it's just easier to stay, whatever, than go.
Before Dave, I was like, I want to chase my husband.
I want to be like, I really know that I want this, not like this is easy.
But I feel like it set them up for such success.
Cause when I look at them, there couldn't be more even in a relay.
And like, I feel like that's when a relationship wins.
Like no person has the upper hand in their relationship.
There's no like bat, like there's like funny, like banter back and forth.
And I love that, but it's like, they truly like watching both of them.
They truly want each other to win.
And then that's when, I feel like that's when the relationship works.
I've been in relationships where the person is secretly like... Competitive.
Yeah, they're like competitive.
Or I've been in relationships where something good happens to me and I'm keeping it from the person because I'm scared.
Or like I had a time where, like I like won some big award and I went into a closet to answer the call and be excited because i was too scared.
Yeah like, that's like the worst type of relationship to be in.
Like i want to be in a relationship where like, my partner is like cares more about like they, they like feel like they care more about you than their own thing, and you feel that way too, and you guys are just like the ultimate cheerleader for each other.
Yeah well, you guys, i mean.
What's amazing though, is that you guys are living the dream because you guys are best friends, and then your wife and your best friend are really great friends.
And that's so special.
And the fact that you guys used to do your birthdays together.
The fact that you also got married in the same year.
Same month, pretty much.
And she's so close with Selena, too.
It's perfect.
I'm so happy.
You know when one of your friends dates someone that you're like, And like, it's crazy.
What would you have done?
What would you have done?
Oh, my God.
I've been that guy.
I've dated someone where my I've dated multiple people, where I mean one time I broke up with the person I was with and my friends wanted to throw me a party.
Like, and I said, I said, well, why didn't anyone tell me when I was in it?
And they said, well, what are we supposed to tell you?
They said, we made, we made gestures and, and, and yeah.
Dave, have you ever made gestures to Benny in that way?
No, I wouldn't... He has.
Slightly.
In his own way.
Not as blunt as some of them.
I keep it real.
If anyone's... I don't care who you are.
If anyone's behaving... I just like to speak about the facts at hand.
So I always... He's a fact baser.
I'm a helping hand with anyone who wants to analyze the facts at hand.
But, you know, love is a... particular thing that sometimes transcends fact.
So pretty good, right, Jay?
That's beautiful.
That's like, you've like found something there.
I was like, wow, that is beautiful.
I get what you're saying.
It's like when you know someone, you have a friend, and they're like really into this person.
You're kind of like well, maybe there's a part of that.
I don't want to mess up because they see something I don't see.
It's not your place necessarily to be like you know.
I know you love this person, but just so you know You shouldn't.
I don't know.
What was it like, though, going from those parties to actually getting married a month apart?
Like, to be at each other's weddings?
High-level partying.
High-level parties.
No, stressful.
We were so tired.
I feel like we were all really tired.
I was really tired.
I liked it.
I mean, I really enjoyed it.
To me, I was like...
Our wedding was the best night of our lives, and it was so great.
And I just remember being so happy that I had his wedding.
I was like, and the fun isn't done.
And I remember telling, I said to her.
I said we should really try to have as much fun as possible, because nights don't always have this upside potential of how fun a night can be.
Very rarely do you go into a night where it has the potential to be the most fun night of your life, and our wedding, of course, had that potential.
It felt so good when it actually was.
I would have called a fact a fact if it was in any way shorter than I would have wanted, especially because we're paying all this goddamn money.
But it really was.
Yeah, it was the best night.
It was so perfect.
And then I just remember being so excited for his and his was perfect.
And we had the bachelorette in between.
Oh, go on, sorry.
No, we had, like we had.
It was like we kept saying that we're like kicking off, like it was our wedding.
And then we had in between our wedding and their wedding, we each separately went on like you know I went to like Selena's and Dave went to Benny's, and then we had.
Then we had the wedding.
So it was like a fun two months.
Kristen, what was your favorite thing about Benny and Selena's wedding?
Probably the vows.
It's so, like, watching your close friends get married and, like, hearing that, what?
No, no, I was thinking... Remembering how his face moved when he would cry.
I mean, I couldn't see anything, because I was behind a pole, but I heard the vows.
You didn't get, like, preferred seeing or anything?
I did get the front row seat, but I didn't know if people were gonna sit between me and Benny's family, so I like sat all the way to the side.
She just had.
She had an architectural issue from her, but that was the best part.
Tell us about the vows.
Their vows were so good and i think well and dave officiated, which i also obviously enjoyed.
I just loved hearing.
It's like it was nice to kind of hear them be serious, like you're not.
It's so rare that you're gonna like hear your friends, you know, say their love is like what they're doing in your vows, you know, especially okay.
So my perspective, by the way, i couldn't have a better view.
Like they're like, i'm like right there and they're right here yeah, yeah.
And so because you were fishing yeah, yeah.
So have you done one before?
No wow, i've actually never even given a best man speech.
So, like the whole thing.
And then it's also such a tricky because, like on the, i'm almost giving a best man speech, but it's also right there at the altar so yeah, you can't even.
It's a lot of pressure, those things.
There was a lot of pressure, but i really felt born for that moment And it was really look Selena, like when the curtain went away and it was her and she started.
She like literally I'm loathe to say that she looked like a princess, but she just looked like a fairy tale, like
The sun.
It was like the most amazing The sun like was setting behind her and they had like these beautiful tents.
So when she... This is what I did see a little bit of when she was, like, walking.
It was, like... It was, like, majestic.
Yeah, and like you know, she pulls out this like i don't even this handwritten, this hand, this book of scriptures is like her vows that were like written by hand, that she like lost five days earlier, that benny had.
She like wrote her vows for like a year and then she lost them, like right before the wedding, and then benny found this, like pulled up the double point.
Yeah, You found it on the day.
No, I found it a few days before.
But, like her vows are just like you know.
And then Benny, like you know, obviously Benny has a high level of emotional capacity and sensitivity, but he's definitely a joker.
And to see him just break, like, and become... just a shell of a man.
Like.
His face was Like when Selena, When the curtain got revealed, and she, His face was like Because I was trying not to Okay.
So When we did the first look, I was like oh,
Oh, this is easy.
I'm not even crying.
But when she came out to the music, my face, I was like, I'm not ready to cry this early.
So I was like, I was like, like, I can't even do it.
I was like, I'd recently watched the video back and it's insane.
It's weird to see someone's face so often and then realize you've never seen their face do a certain thing is a weird feeling to feel.
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
I'm never nervous, and I was, before it happened, I all of a sudden got so nervous.
And, like, ten times I was like, should I have him print mine out bigger?
Should I do it small?
And like I asked him all these questions and then He made me walk out to like everyone's seated, thinking the thing's about to start, and he made me walk out alone, like down the aisle essentially, and like double-check, and he had multiple printouts of the thing already sitting up there.
I remember being so nervous And then, for some reason, the second I turned into the room, everything melted away.
And it was like, I wasn't nervous at all anymore.
And it was so cool to see theirs was like, I was gonna ask you that.
Yeah, theirs was like training.
And theirs was, I really can't stress this, it was the best wedding I'd ever been to in my life.
I think also it's because it's like the people like I care about.
I've never, like I cried so much at their wedding.
During their vows, I was bawling.
And you think about your friends but then like to see them do this thing that's so like final it was so beautiful and they're both so well spoken and funny but also serious and like yeah i don't usually see dave serious i never see kristen's here like we're all those people who kind of like make like i'll probably be laughing at like my friend's funeral like because i like can't like it's it's it's it's like a coping mechanism and to watch them do that was so fun and everything was perfect and i their week their wedding was one of the best weekends of my life and then i was like oh my god i have my own to look forward to and i had that feeling where i was so scared that mine wasn't going to live up to what it was in my head and it was so far beyond what like the only thing i didn't like is um cocktail hour because i kept having to say hi to everyone i said am i going to be doing this the whole night i tried to get you to do the thing you didn't want to do it no we didn't do it we did do it we took we should have we basically went dave and i like had to go to the bathroom so we before benny and selena had seen first it was our wedding it was why i even knew about this did you do this like where they they take you into the reception before the guests come They pluck you from cocktail hour five minutes early, take you to where the band is and where dinner is, and they, like, let you see it all, and the band's playing just for you.
And it was, like, our favorite part of our wedding.
And then we had to go to the bathroom, so we went into Benny and Selena's before they had seen it and we were like, oh my God, this is incredible.
They have to see it.
So we were like, should we pull them away?
And pulling them away was like...
It was so hard.
It was so hard.
Like, I thought, you know what?
I felt like they were being bombarded.
They were and I was just like they're only gonna the tenting that their thing.
It was the most beautiful tent.
Oh, and you never got to see it empty.
No, not empty.
But I made them do it.
They dragged them.
I was just like, I just had this instinct that I knew better and that they didn't know.
What was your wedding like?
Gosh, I was like... Do I remember this correctly?
Was yours like some sort of thing like outside near like a brick, like, No, no, no.
That was just our photo shoot.
That was just our photo shoot afterwards.
This year's our 10-year wedding anniversary.
I was just going to say, when did you get married?
Wow.
Congrats.
Oh, actually, I don't care about your wedding.
I want to know this.
This is my real question.
This is not your podcast.
I have a question for you.
I have a question.
I have many more questions.
Go on.
I got one question.
I'll let you ask one question.
I have one question.
You get one question.
He's got to think of the question first.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, it's such a good question.
I just want to word it the right way.
Okay, you're 10 years in.
Mm-hmm.
Toonie by Jay.
And my wife.
You're 10 years in.
What have you learned in this time that you thought you knew when it was 10 years before and what do you want, like the next 10 years to be like?
Yeah, two questions, good question, good question.
It's similar to the way you're even talking about each other.
I feel like you think you love your partner the most you could love them on your wedding day and then you realize you had no idea how much you could love them like 10 years on.
It's just like I thought I loved my wife like the most I could ever love her.
And then you actually go through life, you go through challenges, you go through ups and downs.
We got married, changed jobs, moved country and moved home all in the same year.
And so like we went through so much and I feel like that could either break you or make you closer.
And for us, it just brought us closer than the pandemic.
We were stuck together every day and it brought us closer.
And I think that could have been a.
So I feel like, when you've been through so much life together, you just have so much proof that you love each other through so many different versions of each other.
And I think that's the other thing that I feel like I've been loved with a different person in 10 years, because my wife has been so many different versions of herself.
She'll probably say I've been pretty much the same, but.
I feel like she has changed so many times in beautiful ways.
And so you're learning to fall in love again.
So this idea of, oh, I know your every move and I know everything about you.
It's like, I actually don't.
And I feel like I'm constantly on my toes.
And because we end up spending a bit of time away from each other every year because of work, I feel like we're still dating, which is really fun.
Actually, i love the fact that we don't see each other all the time.
That's important, because then there's a sense of like i can't wait to get back to you, and so we see each other too much now.
All day, every day.
Not too much for me jay, never too much.
Yeah i i, yeah.
I was like i was trying to convince my wife to do a reality show with me, because i was like i just want to be with you all day, like that would be my dream.
She's like we're never doing a reality tv show.
I'd watch it.
Yeah, thank you.
I don't know who else would, because there wouldn't be much drama.
A lot of people.
We'd have to create some drama.
Like, you'd have to find ways.
I'd have to invite drama.
We can give you some ideas.
But did you guys ever think like we're here to talk about Friends Keep Secrets the show, not a podcast, not a live stream.
Did you ever believe that you guys would be doing a show together?
I think it makes sense.
Ever, yes.
Because we...
I don't think we saw.
I didn't necessarily see it coming, but it really kind of was this perfect storm of things happening at the right time.
And like Kristen was very, she was always even as I was making Dave in my just always on TikTok and always being like there's something that's so rewarding about real human behavior.
And she was always kind of on the forefront of knowing that consumption patterns are really changing.
And that was something that I really respect her opinion about a lot of things and that was something that was in my head.
And separately.
Me and Benny had kind of just flirted with the idea of a podcast for years, but I never really saw it as a thing that I wanted to do.
And... What changed?
I think one day I was like, but what if, like, we... like, rigged our house.
And what if you take the same like creativity that the two of you have and you try to change what this is versus trying to like fit the mold of what everything else is?
And I feel like that's when you were, And I think Benny like separately, had the same idea, because we all got on the phone and he was like yeah, we can literally Like he was like I was, So I just think it was perfect storm for you to be like oh, this is exciting.
Once i started thinking about the potential to reinvent things and make things different, then i got really excited about it and then only when we started doing it did i, did i really like fall in love with everything?
Because i say this to them all the time my me even going for it as a comedic presence only happened because i was trying to entertain my friends and be like the funny guy to my friends.
And that is my when I am the happiest, when I'm around my best friends and I'm like seeking the joke and trying to make them laugh.
And then I went for it.
I try.
You know I became a comedian, made my show Dave and like a show like Dave requires so much like hard work.
I believe it.
It's a great show.
And like everything that seems like it's all so fun and light, like the amount of brainpower that goes into executing it is so next level that actually making the show Dave can be torturous.
Whereas as soon as we started doing this, I've never had more.
It's just like I was.
The inner child in me was like now having fun with my best friends again.
And then even seeing the footage of it and understanding how it all was working.
To me, I think back to Kristen's original thesis there's nothing more compelling.
I think COVID actually caused this, because the shows stopped being made and people were just at home and then TikTok was blowing up and we were just seeing over and over again human beings being themselves and being really entertaining and fun to watch.
And so I think, at the end of the day, things are only as good as the characters that are there and we're just being ourselves, and there really is nothing pure than like having a great time with your best friends.
And it's all, everything that's happening is so real and organic.
And like the amount of hard laughs that are happening with all three of us as we're filming it is.
I've been talking for a long time.
I'm realizing.
It was resonant.
I realize how long I've been talking.
No, I allow for that space on the show.
Yeah, he allows.
I still remember the first call, when you called me up and was like I think me and you know, me and Dave and Kristen want to start this show.
My head i was like, oh great, you know, we'll put some microphones down, we're gonna sit down, it'll be another interview show.
You guys will have great guests.
And then, as these things evolved, i was just like you guys create a vision.
The way you're shifting up the industry, the way this show is gonna change the way people think about what a podcast is, what an interview is.
It's amazing.
And honestly, it's been such a joy like seeing you guys put in the work, put in the hustle, but also the most important thing is I feel like whenever I've seen you, I got to walk into one of your episodes when I was coming to do a photo shoot.
I love that.
But then I just got to walk into an episode.
It's a great moment.
Which is insane.
Yeah.
And I'm like I couldn't believe just how crazy.
Real authentic, and you know people throw those words around.
So I don't even like using those words, because nowadays everyone's like oh, it's so authentic, it's so this.
It's not even that, it just is what it is.
Like, it is just three friends hanging out.
We don't even know what's coming.
We're getting these random conversations and arguments that become so passionate that I feel like anyone in their own group of friends is able to relate to.
Like it's really just us kind of living and existing and it's a fly-on-the-wall observation of that.
I think what's fascinating about it on a more thoughtful level is one of the things I'm trying to do with.
The work that we're putting out there in the world is trying to make people feel less alone.
And I feel like this show makes people feel less alone.
She always says there's a loneliness epidemic.
Well, cause there is, but I felt like I realized, I do think after COVID, like all of our social lives have slowed down or if they haven't, there was like, there was definitely like a period where socializing beyond the anxiety of like COVID
COVID kind of create.
There was like a learning curve to kind of get back into it and putting yourself out there.
And I really resonate with like TikTok and it's not like I love watching people in like Michigan or like random state you know, like home videos essentially of like people hanging out.
And I feel like One cool thing about us is, I mean especially Benny.
Dave is cool, but I feel like when we met Benny, you were such a good host.
You always have us over and we have so much fun and we meet new people.
And I think we now have the opportunity to bring people into that experience, which is what I like.
On TikTok
I'll tell you something.
I was with my friend the other day.
And we were hanging out and he was, he like just went through a breakup.
You know, I don't ever watch myself back.
I'm not like a guy that does that.
I don't like once it's there, it's there.
I like, I'll ask my manager, I'll say, Hey, did I say something stupid?
And he'll be like, ah, this was stupid.
And I'll say, okay, take it out.
Like I'm not like a.
I don't want to.
I can't do that in any like.
I don't want to look at a magazine.
I don't want to do any of that.
But my friend wasn't feeling great.
And I said, Let me put on an episode of of our new show.
And I put it on.
And at first he's like staring at it and he's laughing uncontrollably.
And he's like just like following along to everything.
And it got to the point where we start having our normal conversation and it's just playing in the background.
And it's just like it.
Just, we were like in it, but then we'd go do our own thing and then we'd come back to it.
And we were like, it was so cool to have, it's like a constant friend in the corner.
And it was like, whenever there was like a lull in the conversation, we would just start watching the thing again.
And it was, and we were laughing and we would like pause it and then talk about like our own stories.
We were like oh my God.
That reminds me of, and to me I feel like we live in a world where there's constantly so much static and noise of like not great things.
And I feel like there's a way to put something good into the earth without like pushing, like pushing it down people's throats, like trying to do like some educational like it's.
It's like when we did earth, like we made earth and it had a really good sentiment behind it, but it was talking about like your penis in a baboon's butt.
Like it's like I think there's a way to do something good for the world and not take yourself so seriously.
And we talk about real life shit on this podcast.
It's not a podcast.
I was waiting for that, Dave.
He missed your cue.
It's not only.
Yeah, it's multimedia.
He wants to change the name to multimedia.
Multimedia.
No one liked it but me.
Yeah, right.
Seems a bit like 90s.
That's cool.
It's classic, vintage.
Vintage.
No one wants it, though, so it's still Friends Keep Secrets.
Oh, you wanted to change the name to Multimedia.
Yeah.
You, like, sent a serious text the other day.
That's amazing.
I never got that text.
I just... It hadn't made it to you yet.
Got shot down.
It's not the right idea.
I don't think Benny replied to the text.
No, but that's what I love about what you guys can do.
Like, you guys are doing something that Not a lot of people can do.
You guys can have fun, be ridiculous, talk about crazy stuff and have a moral message to wrap it up with which is insane or not.
And I think that's the beautiful thing that you're making people feel close.
But for you, Dave, like you're working with your wife and your best friend in the same space.
I feel like you have the hardest job.
Well, happy to hear you say that, Jay.
Yeah, I just wanted to empathize.
I was like, take a moment to acknowledge that you're in the middle.
Like, how does working with friends, loved ones, is hard anyway?
Yeah, Chuck.
How are you... Yeah, Chuck.
How are you managing it?
Look, I really had no fear going into it because I just know both of them so well and I just feel like I wouldn't become this close with anyone if the person couldn't analyze whatever facts at hand that are and talk about them fairly logically, whatever.
So, we get in little spats and arguments all the time.
What's the roles usually?
Who starts the fight?
Who continues it?
All three of us are equally annoying to all three.
Like, it really varies and all of us do different things.
I love, but I love all of them.
They're so fun.
But I just, I just, sorry.
No, go on.
There's really no argument or moment that could ever be the type of thing that we couldn't logically talk about it and arrive at the facts at hand.
So ultimately, I have no fear.
I also have a pretty high tolerance for like understanding him, understanding her understanding when to leave things be.
And I think all of us kind of do.
And we're all so close that I don't know.
For me it's literally like I work so hard that nothing makes me happier than getting to work so hard and hang out with my best friend and wife while doing it.
And I think we all communicate the same way.
Like we can kind of get like revved up and get like, not aggressive, but passionate.
We're all aggressive.
But we don't take it like, I feel like we'll do it.
And then like two seconds later, we'll be like, we'll be fine.
And I think that's like it's unique to kind of find people that communicate the same way that you do in these moments.
I mean, we can definitely get on each other's nerves, but it's never like like.
It's never like taken personal.
I'm never mad at any of you guys.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you are annoyed.
You get annoyed.
No, but I'm never... It's like what she's saying.
Yeah, like, it goes away.
No one's ever mad at anyone.
We get revved up together.
Like, I don't think I could ever, like, be, like, actually really angry at you guys.
I don't think that could ever be a thing.
Also, none of us are that type of person.
He's only been angry at me one time in his entire life, and the reason was we were coming home from Coachella and he was really tired and he hadn't slept in the type of situation.
He hadn't had a full night's sleep in a few days and he needs a full night's sleep and he's getting his stuff out of the car and I'm getting my stuff out of the car and I kind of like kicked his knee or something.
Intentionally.
I can't even remember.
I think you like, I like, was like yeah, I was like yeah, I was like pushing him, like as a joke, and he was like no no no no, he pushed me playfully.
Oh yeah.
You hit your shin hit like the car and hurt so much.
And he goes, get off of me.
And he was mad.
And then I laughed at him.
It was, it was angry for about 15 seconds.
So how do you guys make decisions then?
Group conversation.
There's a vote?
No, it gets revved up.
It got revved up the other day.
I like to bring the vote in, but she'll never insert her opinion.
I don't want the vote.
I want us to talk it out, talk it through.
I like the vote.
He likes the vote.
So it's a two out of three like the vote.
I definitely think what I've noticed that I do sometimes feel this isn't like a bad thing.
I can tell that I'm like a little bit more sensitive than the two of them.
I think it's like a guy-girl thing.
Maybe not, I don't wanna make such an assumption.
But I would say that, like I would say that I am the more sensitive one of the three of us, would you guys not?
Well, I'm not sensitive.
I'm not sensitive about that type of stuff.
Like I'm that sensitive.
Like I'm crying in a movie, a song.
Like, yeah, I'm not sensitive.
And I don't think Dave is either.
Like if someone is just like like.
I want someone to tell me also in the studio like I don't like the sugarcoat.
Like just be, if someone's just like, oh, like that, that didn't work.
Let's do this.
I'm like, oh, great.
Like, let's try it again.
I like that too.
I'm chill.
Well, you're sensitive in a different... She's sensitive in a different way that I get.
Like, me and Dave have been doing this.
We've been in the foreground, putting ourselves out there for many, many years.
This is Kristen's, like, first thing.
Everyone's first impression on her is like it's not like.
She's like back in the day where, like it would be like Michael Jackson would perform once and you'd be like man.
I wonder what he's like as a guy.
There was, like, no other media.
We're seeing like every, like nook and cranny, like she, like she'll, like she'll burp or like sweat.
Yeah, and she's so honest and it's so rare that you see, it's funny i, i like her and selena.
I see why they're such good friends, because it's like there's so many similarities where like, i feel like sometimes, like you and selena have this thing where you're both like so brutally honest about how you're feeling, and it's like it's so comedic too.
It's like funny, it's like yeah, I like can't explain it.
Yeah, like, you just saying, like, you're sweating.
Like, I feel like most, like, especially because you guys are, like, so well put together.
I'm nothing like that.
No, no, but, like, Selina will say the same thing.
She'll be like, I'm sweating and I'm having, like, an anxiety attack right now.
Like, and I love that about you guys.
And I do feel like there's also a lot of yous out there.
Oh, yeah.
And I think, like, you're going to inspire people so much because...
I wouldn't go that far, but... No, but you wear your insecurities on your sleeve in a cool way.
And I like it.
I love it.
I love it.
I like that it's cool.
How does it feel for you, Kristen?
Like, obviously, this is a big deal.
It is the first time you're gonna be...
This is the first interview you're doing, right?
This is the first interview.
I almost didn't come.
I was going to say that I had the stomach flu.
No.
I would have been so upset.
I would have taken that so personally.
And you would have known.
Well, you shouldn't have.
We would have had more room.
No, but I knew that... No, I actually like this interview.
I'm doing...
Fine.
There is like a spit bubble that keeps coming through my teeth.
That's a little bit hard.
Right before we did this, she had a full thing of lipstick across her whole mouth.
And I told her right before.
I got it off.
Has an argument ever lasted longer than the recording of one of the episodes?
No.
No.
Is anyone's butt asleep?
No.
No, you've got to reposition yourself.
Do you want to have a little walk around?
No, no.
You can if you want.
No, I don't want to be... I can chat to these two.
No, I can't be the first man to ever... Just reposition your butt.
Jay said that...
Nobody has ever used the bathroom during an interview ever, except him once.
With Kevin Hart, I felt so embarrassed.
I was like, Kevin, do you mind if I use the bathroom?
And then did you use this one?
Yeah, the one back there.
You know, I always ask people, like, I always wonder, like, Do they use the bathroom?
No, when Adele is performing, is she ever just like, oh my gosh, I ate something crazy?
Does anyone have to poop ever?
Well, don't the best find a routine for moments in their life?
That's how athletes play.
My stuff is always right before.
I have to go to the bathroom.
I pee when I'm nervous, which is so nice for our podcast, because I get up and go to the bathroom.
I would say four times an episode.
You also hydrate well there.
Not really.
It's honestly, yeah, I had to as soon as I sat down, but I've already gone.
It's just nerves.
Like, it's like, to me, it's a nerve-based thing.
It's not actually, I don't know.
Chuck, do you think your pee is nerve-based?
It's not pee, but I'm surprised at how often I'll have to poop like 30 minutes before a concert.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I can relate to that.
I can relate to that.
What is that, nerves?
That's all you're on nerves.
I have to, like, evacuate before.
When I used to, like... I did it before, five minutes before going on stage.
Really?
When I was younger, when I like first, like really in New York like first got on the dating scene, I used to any time I was going to have a date with a girl and she was about to come over and we were going to leave, I would like I'd have to poop like two minutes before.
It would happen every time until like, I got really comfortable with it.
And I would, and I would be, I would be honest, like I used to use that as one of my like icebreakers, or like my other had to poop.
No, I would just like be like my other icebreaker.
I would say is I would say I don't usually do this these, but what's the worst thing you've ever done in your entire life?
And then we both say the worst thing we ever did in our whole life.
And I'd be like, okay.
Now I feel like I know you and I also have blackmail on you in case like this doesn't go well.
How did you come up with that?
Did it work?
Did it break the ice?
I didn't do it with Selena.
There you go.
I feel like you always think like through dating I was like oh, like I met my soulmate, or like oh, I met the person I could spend the rest of my life with.
But it's so different when you actually meet the person that you are going to spend the rest of your life with.
It was such a different feeling.
And I went back and I was like, whoa, those feelings when I was younger, it was so different because it just clicks.
You know what I'm saying?
It clicks in a different way.
What's Selena's reaction when she sees you cry at the altar, like, on the wedding day?
Like, what's her reaction to that?
Trying to compare it to Radhi's reaction to me crying.
I think she cried, and then, well, It was all going on.
We were laughing and just talking to each other while everything was happening.
I've cried in front of her plenty of times.
I cry.
I cry.
I'm a Pisces.
I'm a little fish.
Oh, you're a Pisces.
Dude, that, that makes sense now.
Why, are you the Pisces?
No, all my, all my closest male friends are Pisces.
Really?
What are you?
I'm a, I'm a Virgo.
I'm a Virgo.
Oh, that's my mom is Virgo.
I'm a Virgo, but I don't really identify.
I'm on the cusp.
I'm pretty cool.
I'm pretty cool.
You're like my mom.
You do have similar.
Yeah, I'm very Virgo.
When's your birthday?
6 September.
Have you ever had a person on here that's an expert at all that type of stuff?
Astrology.
Yes, I had an astrology expert, Charlie Nichols, a couple of weeks ago.
And did that person make you feel like it's actual kind of scientific fact?
Because whenever anyone brings up sign or anything, I want to be like what the Like?
That stuff's so inconsequential.
But then there are so many times where it seems spot on.
Did that expert say that it's real?
You should have them on.
Yeah, we should.
Yeah, that would be really cool.
I think you'd ask different questions.
Give us the cliff notes real quick.
The cliff notes is I'm kind of like you.
So I have an understanding of, like eastern astrology, which is very deeply scientific.
The number of astrologers that are available are non-existent.
Now, like it's hard but it does exist, and i've heard people tell me crazy things like predict, they predicted like how many kids they would have and the first name of their partner and all that kind of stuff.
And then you have what we have today, where you have horoscopes which, of course, the daily horoscope you read is like kind of made up yeah, And so it's kind of finding that balance.
Her take was there's lots of truth to it.
It's all based on the planets and how they align.
There's lots of ways of checking the system and making sure that it's valuable insight, but the amount of people that are actually doing that today are very little.
So it's almost like there's a lot of, uh, Mike's not enough real MCs.
Maybe I feel like when I moved to LA, the amount of people that seem to operate off of that having so much consequence.
Like, I feel like I'm on an island as the only guy who's like, this isn't real.
Yeah.
I've just played a weird pattern that all my best male friends are born in March.
Like, it's just a strange thing.
I was also born in March, Jay.
Wow.
We haven't had enough time yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
But seriously, my best friend growing up was 14th of March.
My best friend who was my best man at the wedding, 16th of March.
I'm 15.
My closest friend in LA is 18th of March.
Wow.
Like, it's just, it's crazy.
And I'm 8th of March.
Same as my sister, who I'm really good friends with.
8th of March?
Yeah.
Do Pisces and Virgos click?
Well, I assume so.
So many of them.
I know Pisces and Cancers really are.
That's Selena's Cancer.
Thanks.
We got to talk to that person.
Well, yeah, but maybe you should have them on the show.
We should.
All right.
What I wanted to do is I wanted to play a game that we created for you.
So your show is called Friends Keep Secrets.
Yeah.
We came up with Friends Don't Keep Secrets.
Really creative.
So it was like, you know.
But we played a couples game with Benny.
So we thought we'd play a throuples game with you guys.
Fun.
I love games.
I'm going to give you one of these.
I love this.
We did this.
For Benny and Selena.
There we go.
This is all about Kristen first.
Cool.
So the way this works is the players will write down their partner's potential answers to questions before comparing answers.
So this is all about Kristen.
We're both going to guess, we're all going to guess what hopefully Kristen writes down.
Okay.
And then we're going to see.
And then we're going to do each of you.
And you write down your answers.
So we're writing down what we think Kristen is writing.
Correct.
Correct.
If Kristen could change one thing about Dave, what would it be?
I always had a fear of playing this type of game because I just would feel bad about like do I not know anything about the people that I'm so close with?
But I am confident. in your answer, I feel like you know this answer.
It's also fun.
It's not like a therapy test.
I literally say it out loud all the time.
Mine's two.
So the question is, if Kristen could change one thing about Dave, what would it be?
Kristen, please reveal your answer.
Read it to us.
That he likes wine.
What?
I don't like wine.
The one thing I would change would be that you like to drink wine.
You don't like wine.
Change it.
I don't think you understand.
Hold on.
Shouldn't she be?
No, if Kristin could change one thing about Dave, what would it be?
She would change that you would like wine.
That you would enjoy drinking wine.
So she would change that I don't like wine.
Yeah.
Correct.
Correct.
So what did you write?
I thought this was definitely the answer.
How I chew and smack my lips when I eat.
Oh.
Mine was going on dates or being more fun.
What?
Well, I think that they're all... I was certain she was going to put that.
I thought you... I was 100% sure you were going to say that.
I mean, I literally say this all the time.
I say, I wish you drank wine.
I mean, wine is kind of in the same world as that.
The being fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The reason I don't write this... Did you think about that?
No, but you're also really good about not getting annoyed when I get annoyed with you about that.
But were you thinking about mine a little too?
Well, I guess you were.
I figured yours would be that.
I knew what he was gonna write.
Right.
My mom has been complaining about the way that I smack my lips my whole life.
Well, you have a little bit of a problem.
Yeah.
Okay, what's our next?
All right, okay.
So the next one is what's something Benny and Kristen always side with each other on.
That drives Dave crazy.
Actually, I'll just keep mine.
There's two.
There's two that I actually know.
All right.
So the question was what's something Benny and Kristen always side with each other on?
That drives Dave crazy.
Kristen, please reveal your answer.
Okay, I have two.
The second one that I'm about to say I know he'll get mad about.
So you don't have to say it, Dave.
Okay.
Well, I like to stir the pot.
You can say both of them.
Okay, one, working less.
Oh, that was one.
Two, his, I would say, putting music on?
No.
Oh.
No, Benny's on my side.
Yeah, I'm on Dave's side.
Well, I'm something more... No, you're on my side.
Coming off nicer while texting.
Oh, yeah.
That's what I thought it was going to be.
I forgot about that.
I wrote that I can be too hands-on.
Right.
No, I love that you're... We don't care about that.
Wait, look, this is nice.
This is good feedback.
We love your hands-on.
Chuck, I thought one of you guys was going to say mine.
Are we bad at this game?
No, you're good.
No, this is good.
It's a hard game.
It's meant to be hard.
It's meant to be challenging.
It's a hard game.
Yeah, it should be hard.
We're learning new things about each other that we didn't know.
The texting was a good guess.
Yeah.
And the things that you think that people don't like you, actually, they love you.
Yeah.
That is nice, Jay.
We love you, Mochi.
I love you guys.
Yeah.
All right.
When was the last time Kristen admitted that she was wrong?
Makes you think i'm ever wrong.
There's too much wavering to know, because she'll go up and down about the right and wrong.
Depends on what mood i'm in, i would say.
I would say i think i can't remember.
I'm just gonna have a little.
Do you know something?
The last you can give a time frame?
Yeah, i'm doing that yeah good yeah yeah, like last month, 10 years ago.
They're gonna 12 years ago, 12 months ago.
I mean, I don't even know if I'm actually wrong.
You could write that down if you want.
I'm trying to think.
I mean, I'm so infrequently wrong.
I love it.
I love it.
It's hard to catch me.
I like the thinking going on.
This is good.
I think she's wrong.
When was the last time she goes, Benny, you know what?
I'm wrong.
I admit it.
Never.
There was a time that we filmed something.
I just don't remember when it was.
Only if she's caught in the act on the, like, Only if I see the footage.
Oh, yeah, that is, I know, yeah.
It's just a specific argument.
What's the argument?
Yeah, there's a few, yeah.
What was I?
Oh, I don't know if I'm wrong.
I have to see the footage.
We saw the footage.
Basically.
No, you don't even need to.
It doesn't matter.
I'm free.
I won't get into the details.
It's too much nuance.
Basically they got in an argument that Kristen was claiming that Benny kind of Brought something up to get under her skin.
And Benny was like, you're the one who brought this thing up in the first place.
And she was like, no, I wasn't.
And then we went into the control room and we said, play us back how we even got here.
And then we watched the footage as we're filming the thing, and Kristen did actually bring it up.
I brought it up.
She brought it up.
You'll see what we're talking about.
It's gonna happen.
Yeah, he was so amazing.
I brought it up, but I, but, but you know, no, but I get it.
I get her.
I get her side as well.
I get her side as well.
Okay.
Next one.
We did good.
All right.
All right.
We're gonna switch to Dave now.
So it's all about Dave bread and butter.
Who does Dave trust most for honest feedback?
Not just in the group in the world.
Oh, I know exactly what you're doing.
What?
Well, I think I know what you're what you're is going through your brain.
Oh yeah.
But to me, the answer is actually pretty simple.
The answer is... answers.
All right, so the question was, who does Dave trust most for honest feedback?
Dave, please reveal.
Benny and Kristen is the answer to that question.
Now, I know they both probably think Jack and Henry.
What?
Oh.
I said... What did you write?
I said me and Kristen, and then I said friends from home, but I was thinking of the joiner situation.
But it wasn't, it was just that he was right, so... Yeah.
Both of them like look Benny for music.
No song would ever come out without having him hear it and analyze it, critique it, say it's worthy, point out whatever flaws could exist.
Kristen's the exact same thing for, like, TV and film.
Like, any script or thing, like, I really trust both of their instincts.
What did you write?
I wrote his mom, or me, or Jeff Schafer, or Benny.
My mom told me not to be a rapper.
She said, so.
Okay.
So, but I think, yeah.
Okay.
It's you on the list.
It's those two, no question.
I love that.
For sure.
All right.
So we got some of it, right?
And me, both of you are not narcissists.
You didn't write yourselves, right?
No, I. No, I wrote myself.
Oh, you did.
Oh, yeah.
Yes, that is she.
Okay.
There you go.
Yes, that is she.
Okay.
That's great.
I knew the answer.
It's not being a narcissist.
I just knew the answer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
What's our next?
All right.
So if you called Dave because you ran someone over.
Would he help you bury the body?
Would he call the cops?
Or would he tell you to call the cops?
Those are my only three options.
Bury the body, call the cops.
Whose fault is it?
It's Dave's fault.
Wait, no, you're saying... Oh, I ran someone over.
Yeah, yeah, you ran someone over.
Wait, yeah?
Yeah, and then you call these guys and I'm saying would you tell them to Wait wait, wait?
I confused myself.
It's if one of them did it.
Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.
If you called it, sorry.
If, yes, my bad, thank you so much for correcting me.
I was wrong.
Let this be in my statement that I admit I was wrong.
If you ran someone over and you called Dave...
To tell them what happened.
Would he help you bury the body?
Would he call the cops himself?
Or would he tell you to disappear?
Disappear is a new one.
Yeah, I'm adding a third.
I'm changing.
What if I had the opportunity to change it?
Yeah.
But is it our fault though?
Or was it an accident?
It's an accident.
Obviously you didn't do it on purpose.
What would Dave tell you to do?
This is a test of Dave's character.
Yeah.
I like framing it that way.
Yeah.
I feel like I know.
I feel like I have the black marker all over because I've been doodling.
All right, Dave, what would you do?
I can see yours, Dave, but I don't look.
Dave would disappear.
You tell him to disappear.
I never want to see you again.
Wow.
Wow.
I was kidding about the second sentence, but disappear.
Disappear.
Get out of here.
Go good.
I said he would analyze all the facts at hand.
That's what I would do.
That's a great answer based on our conversation.
Kristen, what did you write?
I said he would tell us to call the cops, I think, at the end of the day.
I think he would have to analyze all the facts at hand.
Let's talk about this.
This is the first question we've really had, don't you agree?
I definitely wouldn't bury the bot like i.
I think i would talk i can't get, i can't get wrapped up in criminal activity like that.
But nor would i call the cops like behind their back ever.
I think i would try to convince that person why the thing to do is just call the cops.
I think you'd have to analyze all the facts or disappear yeah disappear, you would do the right thing ultimately.
Yes, but here's what i'm not willing to bury a body for you or anyone.
I am willing to perhaps hear of something and just pretend that I never heard of it.
Yeah, let's change the subject.
Yeah, we'll change the subject, we'll change the subject.
He does, you do have a lot of OCD around that subject.
All right, all right, okay.
We'll do Benny, we'll do Benny.
Couple of questions on Benny, good stuff for Dave.
What's something Benny pretends doesn't bother him but actually does?
He doesn't really ever pretend.
Yes, he does.
I do?
Okay.
Let me try to think.
I'm going to try two.
Can I do two options?
You can have two.
Kristen could get this right.
What is it?
Or do I do mine first?
Yes.
Benny, reveal.
Putting things in my fridge incorrectly.
I was going to say that.
Oh, that's a good answer.
I was going to say that.
I don't think you pretend that that doesn't bother you.
I do for anyone else except Kristen.
I was going to say it, but I'm like you're so overtly.
That's why you didn't let me put your stuff in the fridge today.
No, no, no.
I didn't put it in the fridge.
I just wanted it to be taken out a little bit.
If he puts out something musically that has the potential to go number one and it doesn't go number one, he'll say to everyone else I'm not bothered by not going number one, but I think it bothers him to not go number one, to go number two.
Certain songs, they have no chance.
Certain albums, they have no chance.
So not going number one.
You're saying if it's achievable.
You're saying, if it's a chief if like, if I'm going to go like, if I'm going to go 60, it doesn't matter.
But if I'm going to go number two one, if you have the expectation that a number one is within reach and you go three or two or 10, I can relate.
You're annoyed, which I will tell you.
I'm going to tell you my answer after.
Um, and then my other thing is.
Uh, Benny's favorite line as of this year is I don't care about anything.
I've never heard Benny say anything more than I don't care about you about anything.
And I think, uh oftentimes, that he'll say that when we're talking about something that we both care about.
And if it seems like I want something that he doesn't want, he will say I don't care about anything, but I know he cares.
He just wants to stop talking about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, and then I'll answer them all after.
Yeah, go on, Kristen.
Mine is not sticking with the plan.
Like with a plan or the plan which is kind of in relation to like I think I don't care about anything.
I think if you start to feel the loss of control instead, Benny will just be like I don't care about anything.
Doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Go on, Benny.
You have to defend yourself.
This thing I don't feel.
I don't even understand it, really.
But I don't.
What do you mean?
It's not sticking with the plan.
What more do you need to understand?
I don't understand the context.
Which part?
I don't care about anything is like this to me.
When I'm having a conversation with someone.
I'll just use Dave as the example.
When I'm talking to someone and like, usually pretty quickly into a conversation, I can figure out whether this person is going to be like even receptive to like the information that I'm saying or whether I think that they're.
They have like something made up in their mind.
And like, there's such a minute chance of me changing it.
And then I say in my head, I say, well, Is this ever going to change?
Is it that important if it doesn't?
And then just to nip it in the butt, I'll be like, I don't really care about anything.
And then that's my thing.
With the number one thing, it used to be very true to me.
That used to be so true to me.
I was fixated on getting the number one at any cost.
Like even if it was number 40, like I was like, I like had to I used to be when I was younger, I used to really, really care. so much that i felt like i wasn't even enjoying the things in front of me because i was like so like i'd get the number one like in something i'd be the best at it like i'd have like a number one billboard record and then i'd be not even like celebrating i'd be like yeah that's cool and then like move on to the next thing and i wouldn't even think about it and i feel like feel like that was so true to me for so many years of my life and honestly until pretty recently until probably like four years ago and then it was really solidified honestly with with selena because i felt like i won i won it and i already did i already know that like i solidified what i wanted to do and it was like the first time in my life where i didn't care that doesn't It doesn't mean that if it is in sight, I'm gonna do everything in my physical power to try to do the best thing I can, because that's just the type of person I am.
I love the competition.
I love striving for the greatness.
But it doesn't have the same importance that it did have on me for so long.
It used to have me in, like, a chokehold.
And then, like I felt, like I was finally freed of that, like in the last, like four or five years.
And it was like...
So freeing.
But I understand both sides.
I completely do.
Yeah, I can relate to it, yeah.
I understand, like I used to be the guy looking every week at the chart seeing if we were getting close and I was, so I put so much importance on it.
And I don't even know why I did, because I didn't even care when I got it.
Like, but I think I did care, but I was so fixated on...
You were probably just relieved when you got it.
Yeah, I think I was probably just relieved.
And it was, like, such a rat race.
And I'm so happy to be free of it.
But I do also understand that side of me when I was so into it.
Because I'm like, yeah, that's cool to do that.
But it is also cool to be, like, totally free of it.
And I think the healthy medium is probably somewhere in the middle.
Somewhere in the middle, yeah.
Well, thank you guys.
Thank you for playing.
That started off some really intense conversations.
We can do a few more or I can take you to our ending three questions.
I'd like to do a few more.
I'm having fun.
You guys should cancel all your plans afterwards.
I'm staying.
All right, okay.
These are more fun ones.
Who is most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse?
Now you get to free-for-all.
Write down anyone.
It has to be out of the three of us?
Yes.
Okay.
Three, two, one, reveal.
Oh, why Benny?
Everyone tells the same person.
Why Benny?
I just have more skill, like... I'm the last, no question.
Between those two, I just think men physically are stronger than women.
What?
Physically.
Right.
But why would that have to come into it?
I'm gone.
I thought it was, like, going by, like, resourcefulness.
Well, then I definitely would win.
Because I feel like I can strategically...
Kristen's pretty athletic too.
No, I just mean, well, yeah.
I don't know.
My instinct was to say that.
All I know is it's not me.
I'm the last.
Well, everyone rated each other on different scorecards.
Okay, what's the next?
All right, the next question is, who takes the longest to reply to texts?
You're pretty responsive with me.
He responds to every... Oh, Kristen.
No, Kristen's so good.
No, Kristen's terrible.
I don't even... I thought you always made fun of me because I never respond.
I actually think Kristen's worse than you.
I just don't respond.
Because both of them... Kristen has never texted me since we met, so that says a lot.
Kristen will respond to only me, and she responds to me relatively timely.
Benny will respond to And she doesn't respond to anyone else ever.
Right, that's not true.
Let me say this i mean, i do, i did.
I do have a little bit of anxiety with texting, yeah.
So i and i don't like to ever feel like i have to do, like i don't wake up in the morning and read my text, like i think that's where i am going wrong.
And now i have, like i think, 1600 unread text messages.
It's gonna be, it's gonna be a lot more dms, and Well, I don't look at my DMs.
I've never looked at DMs.
She's not public.
No, but now.
But I don't even look at my friends.
She's still not gonna be public.
You're still not gonna be public?
No.
I don't think you should.
I like it, it's cool.
Benny responds to every text, like, no matter what.
Yes, agreed, yeah.
It's just that there's, like, a 72-hour backup.
And he does it you know he's doing it in the morning and it will like sometimes he'll respond to like a text that doesn't even make sense anymore and you'll just get like ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
He'll respond to, like, a group chat, like, two days later, and it's so not relevant anymore.
But everyone's moved on.
I'm catching up.
I text in spurts.
Like you'll, you'll, if, if I'm like paying attention to my phone, I'll have a, I'll be there.
Kristen, like you know, her parents will be like Hey, do you think you could tell Kristen to respond to?
Yeah.
I got a text on the way here from my mom that was saying hey, could you read the family text and please respond.
No way.
And I thought, I am in the car.
She's the worst at texts.
She really is.
Roddy's the same.
It's hard.
Yeah, Roddy's the same.
My phone's a beeper.
It's just for emergencies.
I'll respond instantly with way too much, with too much.
I appreciate that though, because then I feel like there's texture to the text and we can actually get somewhere.
They all text you, just so you know that I'm capable.
I'm waiting for that text.
I've been texting with these guys for a year and a half now.
Yeah, well, okay.
Okay, next one.
Who would accidentally start a cult?
Go for it.
Reveal.
Oh, me.
You put me in it.
I'm not one of the people.
I'm not COVID.
No, I was trying to think.
You have more of, like, the soothing thing.
Like, your message could, like, being, like, tranquil.
Like, no one wants to join our cult.
The reason I said Kristen...
I only said Kristen because... I could definitely be, like, a cult leader.
Kristen.
Everyone likes Kristen and Kristen loves everyone she meets and thinks she's gonna be the best friend.
That is true.
So it's like so many people that she runs into, she could end up thinking that they're gonna be close and then all of a sudden there's, like you know, a cult somehow.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
Did you style your hair to be like us today?
Yeah, I was like, it's very styled.
My hair's always like this.
Yeah, you guys all have like a similar look.
It's different.
It's the first time we've had three people with curly hair on the show at the same time.
You got lots of staff.
Did they give you all these?
No, no, no.
I'm making them up.
I'm making them up.
It's the first time we've had three people with curly hair.
You guys do have the same hairstyle.
We do.
We have, like, variations of it.
If it was longer, would it, like, throw out?
Yeah, it's like, my hair's like this naturally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's like, I feel like it's like evolution of hair.
It's like me to Dave to Benny.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like that.
Evolution.
It is evolution.
What do you guys say?
Evolution.
Evolution.
But I like evolution.
Aluminium.
Aluminium, yeah.
Aluminium is what you guys call it.
Oh, you call it aluminum?
Aluminium.
Aluminium.
There's another I in it.
There's one word that I can't think of it now, and it's unfortunate.
The food.
The food.
What do you call it?
Courgette.
No.
There's one word you always say.
I can't remember it, but you say it different.
No, it's like.
Also people say they say so you in America.
You would say like his name is Dave, but like if we were British we would say he's called Dave.
How do you say innovative, innovative, innovative.
That's what you say.
I had to think about it now.
Cause I hear it nonchalant.
You said funny too.
Oh no.
You said it said something different.
I said, I said, do you want me to be less Shalon?
I was just joking around.
Wow.
I like, I like Shalon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Shalon.
Maybe I should change.
All right.
These are the last three because these are, you don't have to write for these anymore.
These were questions given by, so before the show, you can keep those whiteboards.
They're yours.
I'll sign them.
No, no, we won't keep them.
We got to.
I asked you each for a question.
You'd like me to ask the other two people in the room.
Oh yeah, so it's hard.
So these are the questions you gave.
We'll start with Benny.
So Benny's question to both of you, and the answer has to be in one sentence.
I'll maybe let you expand.
The question from Benny is, how do you separate work from your relationship?
If you're disagreeing in work, does it spill over into personal and vice versa?
I would say that we, well, I think you've been a part of it.
Dave and I are really, this is like the one thing that's great about our relationship.
And now I feel similarly with Benny is that we can, we can like have arguments and we can get upset with each other and then like instantly kind of once we feel like we've turned over the stones in the argument or like gotten to a place it's never carried over like we've never been have we ever been mad more than a day if even if a day i don't even think we've ever been mad for a full day i've never been mad oh oh you guys yeah yeah are you asking about us too yeah yeah i was yeah then you said something about me yeah sorry yeah it's going to kick in my foot take it away I think he asked the question because we work beyond even just our multimedia creation. know any script she writes i'm i'm a part of that with her any script i write she's a part of that with me so it's really i mean she's not a part of my musical process though that's my i get separation there um because she likes more poppy stuff that i don't just like no that's not true no she doesn't like no she's the opposite she likes less pop one time i gave you a bunch of separation she doesn't you know she doesn't like to show me his music i hate showing her my music she doesn't listen to lyrics yeah So I could show her a recording of me where the verses are, and she would like that just as much as me like doing really clever lyrics.
No, but he also.
We tried.
He tried to show me his music once, but it was so I had to.
He literally like pulled up the chair directly in front of the computer.
It was blasting, the speakers were blasting and I wasn't allowed to move.
And I just, it had to be under his circumstances.
I hate the way he sets up the experience.
He's like, you have to sit there.
I tell him, I'm not sitting there.
Don't show me the music.
Yeah, so then I feel like it was a bad experience.
Wait, this is becoming about what we don't like about David, and that was not the question that Benny asked.
To answer Benny's original question, how do we separate?
I mean, I selfishly don't always feel the need to, because when we're talking about work, whatever we're working on, i i find it so inspiring and fun and, like i'm just like to me, there's like nothing more fun to talk about now.
So i look at it as like this is great, i get to have fun with my best friend and we're being productive at the same time.
Now, you know, sometimes i feel like you know.
I remember when i originally started dating kristin and i learned that she kind of has the same exact interests and passions professionally as i do, i did have the thought oh man, like would I be better off marrying someone who was like an English teacher?
And there was, like, complete separation of church and state.
But now, seeing the opposite, I'm so happy that we get to connect over the thing because, like you know, I think there's just such a joy to me when I get to talk about the things I care the most about in life which unfortunately, is work.
Now, I'm not working, like, some corporate drudgery job.
I'm working on, like, the self-expression of my soul, so... Yeah.
It's different to be like, oh, there's no separate... I'm not, like, working at an accounting firm.
Like, I'm talking about... you know, how to tell these stories that I feel born to tell, and she's... It's fun.
Like we're talking about fun, creative shit.
But You've helped me become, I would say like you've given me more confidence professionally.
The good thing about us working together is you've given like I feel like over the few years that we've kind of like really co-meshed our professional lives.
I kind of come from a place of like more self-doubt and like insecurity and he's really helped me get like the kind of confidence to even be doing this.
And writing and stuff.
I feel like it's been really... I'm so thankful that you're, like, a good mentor and a husband.
Great answers, guys.
Beautiful.
Really nice.
That felt good.
But we should go on more dates without talking about the tasks at hand.
That's the newest thing that I had to say.
I think sometimes I'll be like especially with the anxiety that I've had which I'm on a new path forward and I'm a new person and I no longer create the self-inflicted torture of like anxiety about the podcast in particular.
But there was a period where I was like we have to stop talking about work all the time, because I can't like mentally break away from it.
And it was, I just, I wasn't, but now I'm, now you can sign me up for it.
What was the time where I was like I don't want to talk about this right now and you kept talking, or you were home, doesn't matter, who cares.
Because I was about to do something with music where I just had to be in the state of mind that and I was in such a good mood.
I had no anxiety about anything with the podcast or whatever you want to call it.
I said I don't want to talk about it right now.
She just wanted to talk about it.
Well, this is an interesting.
I did start going to therapy because i was like it's important that he can't always be the like.
I have such a tendency, when i have anxiety, to like for me to get over my anxiety.
I have to say every thought that i have, which it used to be okay, i mean, i'm sure it's exhausting for him, but it used to not be so related to what he was doing.
So therapy has been helpful because instead of like taking him on which he's still very supportive, but like i don't have to like i felt like i was like bringing him down.
So the therapy now is a lot easier for me to like just mentally spiral, and then i'm not putting it on you.
So we've learned a little.
We've we've kind of like started to create some boundaries and i learned no, now not to get her worked up when she's in bed, And I know not to like if I sometimes I'm, I come in and I come up with an idea of like we should do this that, and then she, and then she starts she needs to sleep.
Yeah.
Well, no, I just would get like revved up and excited.
Yeah.
Me and my wife are like, so like I'm the one who comes to bed and wants to chat and talk and like and she does not want to.
Yeah.
And she's like first thing in the morning, wants to chat and talk.
And I'm like, I need to like gear up slowly.
So I get that.
Yeah.
That's beautiful.
Thank you.
We need to thaw out.
I have to thaw out in the morning though.
So this was Kristin's question for Benny and Dave.
Do you guys talk about me when I leave the room?
You have to answer honestly.
Not really.
This was a hard question.
It's a good question.
The only time I remember that is at New Year's when I was like, what are you guys talking about?
Then Dave said, I'm not at liberty to tell you.
And then he said he said and he was just and then I was like, all right.
And then we just started talking about something else.
And then when you came over, you were like, are you talking about me?
And we weren't talking about you.
It's a question I ask a lot.
This paranoia that as soon as I leave the room, but I know that it's mostly more of a joke.
I know you guys are.
No, we never really talk trash.
No, we're positive.
Oh, do you guys say positive things behind my back?
Do you say positive things behind my back?
Like, wow.
He just said no.
No.
Yeah, I've said, like... We do.
I've said, like, I was so blown away by how well Kristen's done.
Like, I remember we talked about that before.
But I told you, too.
We talk about you the way...
Guys talk about their wives.
We're not talking about you professionally that often.
Yeah, and there's never... Do you guys not have this fear?
Dave's never come.
No, I don't think.
I always am like, as soon as I leave, are they all talking about me?
No, and if you guys are talking about me, I'm like, oh.
Either there's a reason, or they're upset with something, or I don't care.
Yeah yeah, i think i care.
I care too much what people think, so i'm always like even though it's like kind of half joking, i will i thought everybody felt this way be like a lot of people do yeah, like be like as soon as i leave i'll be like i wonder, even if it's not bad.
I just wonder if they're being like yeah, she was talked a lot that time or she said that really bad question.
She has so much self-doubt and circular thoughts of negativity that our brains are on positive.
I think so much of that is women's conditioning in society, treatment of women in society.
That's my take on it.
I was going to say that.
I was going to say that.
And ADD.
No, I'm being serious.
I'm being deadly serious.
When I talk to all my male friends, they all feel the same way.
And then I talk to my female friends, they all feel that way.
So I'm like, wait, you can't then just ignore it.
And I think it's been a little bit more.
It's been more exaggerated just because of the uncertainty about all of this being public.
I feel like I live Your hair's in your mouth.
I'm sorry.
I can't see it from there at all.
I didn't see it either.
It just was.
It was, guys.
No, I appreciate it.
I told you to do it.
It was in her mouth.
I tell them to do this thing.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Yeah, it's been exacerbated because you're dealing Me and Benny are also, even though yes, we're men, we're like You've been public for so long.
But we're like the two... No one believes in themselves more than me and Benny.
Like, we don't think we're just... Oh, I know that.
It's like that compared to self-doubt, it makes it feel even more of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm doing a lot better because I realized that.
I realized that so much of my self-doubt is like my default narrator, like in my head.
And I feel like this podcast will help me.
I don't know.
I could just crumble.
No, you guys may never see me again.
Not in a bad way.
You're so aware.
I think, you know, I think part of it is just as hard as you are in yourself.
You don't give yourself enough credit as well, but like you're so aware of what's going on in your mind.
I think, I think if you're not aware, that's when it's really, I agree.
I like to hear that.
Yeah.
You're doing okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Final question.
This was Dave's question.
I saved what I believed to be the best for last.
Thank you, Dave.
This is Dave's question.
So Dave's question to Kristen and Benny is if I died, how often would you guys hang out or see each other?
Wow.
I feel like if you die, that'd be so heartbreaking and we'd be sharing.
We'd be like experiencing similar pain.
Well, me more, but I can't speak on half of it.
Frequently, I don't know, like as much as we could, but.
Chuck, first, obviously, I would edit all the things till I know how you would like them.
And I'd find a way to make... You'd get the right features?
Yeah, I'd find... First, I was talking about the show.
Then I'd edit.
Yeah, I'd make sure to get the right features.
We've spoken enough about that.
I'd be able to at least... There's like 15 songs I could cobble together to something great.
And I would do that.
And I would make sure not... But would you hang out with me?
No, no, no.
To make something like truly like... But would you do it hanging out with me?
Isn't that the question?
No, no, no.
This was a side.
Would she be involved?
Would you involve her in the album?
No, clearly he's not.
In that?
No, no, no, no.
But I would involve her in... Like the rollout.
No, no, I'd involve her... Would I still be invited to, like, the dinner parties?
Yeah, I think I would hang out with you.
I think you would... Well, I'd like you to fill, like, my Dave role.
Like, I feel like you'd... I feel like I'd be calling you, like, every day and...
It would be so, you can't, you have to, we have to protect you at all costs.
Or would you guys be so reminded of me when you saw each other that you'd actually have to never see each other, ever again?
No, no, no.
We'd see each other all the time.
If I died, would you guys just replace me?
No, what?
In the show?
No, it would just be a two-person show.
What?
No, it would be done.
Yeah.
Or would we keep, I don't think we'd keep you.
No, I wouldn't be that interested anymore.
I'm glad you got all the footage, though.
Yeah.
No one's dying.
I hate talking about this, even though I know no one's dying.
We've got footage again and everyone needs facts.
Guys, I am so, I mean, just spending time with you makes me just love the show even more.
But I want to say to all of you like, truly you guys, trusting me, giving me this opportunity to do this with you, has been a highlight of my professional career.
Like to work with all three of you, because it's very rare that when you're like.
You know, when I started my podcast seven years ago, I never thought I'd be helping create something amazing with the vision of all three of you.
And I feel so lucky and fortunate.
So thank you for the gift.
Thank you for the blessing.
Thank you for all your help.
We feel just the same way.
We love you, Jay.
You're our mentor.
You're our guru.
No, don't stop making me this cult leader.
No, no, I wasn't.
No, you're like the...
You're so good to bounce all this stuff.
I feel like you've already laid the ground.
We're just trying to...
I don't think it's that.
You guys had a vision.
You know what you're building.
I think it's been fun getting the opportunity to be a part of it.
That's how I feel about it.
So thank you for letting me be a part of your crazy creative vision.
Thank you for hearing our desires and not scoffing at them, and doing your best to make it all happen.
Yeah, absolutely.
Friends keep secrets.
Excited.
On three.
What happens now?
Friends on three?
Friends on three.
Friends on three.
Friends on purpose on three.
One, two, three.
Friends on purpose!
If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.
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