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Hello, Lindsay. How are you doing?
Great. Michelle. How's everything going in your world today?
Everything's good. The sun is shining.
Weather is finally getting good, so I'm happy.
Although yesterday I went outside and after wishing for warm weather, I went outside yesterday and I said, this is too hot.
Yeah. Like, no, no. That's okay, that's okay.
But I have a question for you, Lindsay.
Have you ever been way off base about something?
Yeah, I mean, speaking of weather and being way off base, the other day.
The weather people, yeah.
I went to, yeah. I was, I didn't, so I had been inside all day and I didn't realize it was like 70 degrees out.
So I'm getting ready for orange theory.
and I put on my jacket, like my water coat, totally just busy and distracted like, oh, it must be cold out, for all my water coat and I started walking two blocks.
I'm like, oh, I'm really hot.
I do not need a coat.
I was way off base.
No. I just had to keep going and take off the coat.
It was a big mess. So I was way off base assuming that it was still cold because it was actually a very warm spring day.
so and that makes me think of like the, you know, meteorologist, there's a lot of times when the air kind of off base.
Yes. Remember when you were a kid and they were predicting a big snowstorm and it ended up being like a dusting Dodd?
Yeah. A dud or a dusting.
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Exactly. So today we're gonna talk about this expression off base because we have a great listener question, um, about it.
So this is It's going to be a good one.
Lindsay, could you read the question for us?
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I have a question for you I was wondering if you could tell me the meaning of off -base in which situations can we use this idiom?
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Yes. And let's get back into off base.
So in its most basic form, Michelle, what does it mean off base?
It's kind of means wrong.
Yes. Yeah. Um, so it's that maybe somebody made a wrong assumption their perception of something is wrong what they think is wrong.
So, let's do some examples.
Yeah, here we go. I know you're trying to help but your handling of the situation was way off base.
Yeah. So, yeah. And a lot of times we do say way off base right?
Way off base. More extreme.
Yeah. I, like, you, I like that you said assumptions.
So, sometimes we do make assumptions.
We, We analyze or interpret a situation in a way that's totally wrong and then we take action based on those incorrect assumptions.
Yes. Yeah. So here's another example.
I don't think I'm off base when I say our company morale has gone downhill.
Yes. Good, alright and so we can say what else, Michelle, what do we need to know here?
Yeah so you can say, you know, you can say something's off base or something is not off base.
Right. you say on base?
Actually, good question.
Not really, do we? Not really.
I would hear it more as, oh, I'm not off base or I don't think I'm off base, but I don't really hear it, oh, I'm on base.
Yeah. I guess this comes back to baseball, doesn't it?
Yeah. Everything comes back to baseball in the end.
It feels like... Yeah.
It's true. ...that there is no on base, though.
No, we really don't say it.
And I agree with you, Michelle.
You could say, oh, you're not far off you say you're not far off base or you're not really off base meaning you are pretty much correct we don't say you're on bottom base because that would mean you're playing a baseball game.
Right. Right. Exactly.
So I mean what do you think about this to say off base?
Is that something that comes up in your conversation?
It does. I think it's good.
I think it's useful.
It could be a little harsh when you do say that someone or something is off base but I think it adds clarity it's it's direct I think it's pretty direct right uh right right exactly yeah I mean it's saying that something is not quite close something is wrong um you know like in baseball you're not on base you need to be on base otherwise you're going to get out right so it's yeah and it's important to have trusted colleagues that can tell us this um if we are just in our own little echo chambers of consuming whatever media we're consuming or just stewing in our own thoughts, we could actually interpret
a situation completely incorrectly.
So, it's important to have people chime in and let us know, hey, am I on base here?
Oh, I just said, am I on base here?
Maybe we do use it, Michelle.
And maybe in a question form.
Am I on base here? Do you say that or is just, am I saying this?
Am I just making this up?
I don't think I say it, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't.
Okay, so maybe we will have to take out our advice of to say to not say on base.
I don't know I would say you don't generally say I'm on base But maybe you you could ask and maybe we would say oh am I on base or am I you know?
But to me, it still sounds a little bit Awkward Yeah, I say I I would say the safest Yeah, there could be exception but I would say generally go with saying to be not off base or yeah, love it, love it.
And is it usually when someone does something accidentally, Michelle?
I mean, what does that happen?
I mean, it could be, it could be an accident, right?
Somebody does something, an accident, or it could be a per on purpose or just somebody makes an estimate that's off base or I, you know, maybe they even have reaction where you say, Oh, that was really off base, right?
It was, it was not appropriate.
So it's just kind of, yeah.
Yes. So you're not in the ballpark, right?
You're not in the ballpark.
You're not estimating things in the right level or you're not interpreting a situation in the right way.
You're kind of not calibrated with what's actually happening, is what we're saying.
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Okay, Michelle, what are some other ways we might say this?
All right. I love this one.
A misguided, it's kind of snide, but it's good.
So once I, I I think it's kind of a nice way to like, it's kind of a euphemism.
I remember hearing this on the news for the N1 and I was like, that's a really nice way to say someone's not that smart about something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's true.
That's true. That's true.
Maybe you're talking about politics for example.
Right. Misguided. I think you're a bit misguided here.
Our company has never changed our policy on this.
Yes. Yeah. Misinformed, maybe.
Right, right kind of a euphemism of saying you're doing something silly.
Yeah, right Or way off right so I'm sorry, but I think you're way off here We should hand out the pamphlets before they enter the room.
Oh That's very strong for that kind of scenario though, right?
I like for me I feel I feel like way off would be kind of dramatic in kind of an argument almost That's true.
That's a point Lindsay.
Is that just like oh The pen should be over here, not over there.
You're way off. Like that's all I have, but you know, you when you get on these committees and things you or boards, people get very heated on when the pamphlets will be handed out.
No, that that is true.
I mean that makes me think I even like God, you know, like H .O .A., right?
Like I'm getting caught up in the details and getting an argument that you're off.
So I've never been involved in any kind of away, but I've heard they get very dramatic.
Yeah. And so I hope I never am involved with that.
I try and stay away.
I try and stay away, but sometimes I'm like, yeah.
In my condo, I would hear about different HOA drama, but I, I always kind of just, it's not good.
It's better to pay attention, I think, because it's important.
Right. But, yeah, a lot.
Yeah, for sure. So I think just to interpret that.
So here we're making a decision about when we're going to hand out the pamphlets.
It would be very strong.
But if you're already in a heated argument, you might unleash this, right?
You might say, I'm sorry, but you're way off here.
The pamphlets need to be handed out after they leave the room or something like that.
Right, right, everything's heated already probably.
So, or the next one is to miss the mark or to be off the mark.
For example, I think we missed the mark on this presentation.
Let's consider how we can improve for next time.
Yeah, and I like this one.
This one is a little more benign kind of, right.
we just slightly miscalculated something.
Maybe we priced our product incorrectly.
We missed the mark on the pricing here.
We overpriced this.
Right, this one is a little bit, it's a little smooth, like more of a smooth, nice sound, right, rather than way off.
Way off, right? Missed the mark is a little bit nicer sounding.
Yeah those are like polar opposites in a way, in terms of how aggressive we're being.
But I mean, sometimes, I mean you have to think about it.
Sometimes it's necessary to be very direct in business, but direct and it's not the same thing as being nice or not nice, right?
You know? So it's hard because these, some of these are very direct, but you can pad them depending on the circumstances.
Yes, I love that. Do you have a favorite of these, Michelle, one that you tend to use more often?
Well, I think misguided is my favorite, but I don't, yeah, I don't use it really, but I it always kind of makes me chuckle because the first time I really I paid attention to that word was in like a political situation politics.
And it just kind of makes me laugh just because I remember thinking that person does not mean to say misguided.
That is a euphemism.
That's a euphemism, well these days right, with media or like I said our echo chambers.
we're consuming different news, you know, FOX News and New York Times.
Very different stories of what's going on.
And this is happening all over the world, right?
So, from one side from the other might really truly see the person as misguided, you're misinformed, right?
So, it's just kind of fun to learn euphemisms so we can deploy them when we feel like it's right.
And then, of course, always trying to build that connection, but sometimes we want to drop something like this.
Right exactly, so alright, should we do a role play?
Yes, so here, Michelle, we are reviewing a meeting that didn't go so well.
Okay. Alright, so I think part of the issue was our lack of practice.
We should put more time into it next time.
I totally agree, you're not off base at all.
We miss the mark. Yeah, I mean maybe no technology next time?
I think that's a bit misguided.
It wasn't the tech issues.
That's true, but I'm not way off in thinking that.
It did cause problems. True.
Okay, interesting. So here, I did use misguided, but am I?
Is it always a euphemism for you know you're being stupid?
Not really, because I don't think I'd say that to my colleague that I'm planning a meeting with.
Right, right. It is.
It is. I don't know.
It's funny because it sounds like a very, It sounds like a very nice proper word, but I do think there is some undertone to it of, just you don't know what you're talking about.
Do you know what I mean?
I don't know. I think we wouldn't tend to say it directly to someone.
We might say, oh, those people are voting in a very misguided way.
They are misguided.
Or the meeting was organized in a misguided way.
But if I want to, let's see.
Yeah, I might say this directly to a colleague if I have a lot of trust built, but it's a little dangerous.
That's a bit misguided.
That's a very good point.
I mean, I think a more benign way would just be, I'm not sure I agree, right?
Something like that.
So guys, be careful with misguided.
Maybe you say that for when you're talking about something.
I mean, yeah, it's funny, you wouldn't think it by the sound of the word, but it can be the most painful one to hear.
That's really interesting.
Maybe we should do another episode Michelle on all ears English podcast about these kind of euphemisms a bit that means something more They have a lot behind them.
There's like a lot there That we don't take the word at face value Right.
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Yes, so What else Michelle what did we go through all of them or do we miss one here?
Ah No, we didn't go through the role play other than ...
Yeah, misguided. So you're not off base.
We said, I totally agree.
You're not off base at all.
We miss the mark, meaning and we like that one.
I like that one. I think that is good because it implies we need to make some iterative changes.
Right. Iterative changes.
We can iterate. And then you said, I think that's a bit misguided, which we already talked about.
But then I said, that's true.
but I'm not way off in thinking that.
So again, you could say way off, but I'm saying I'm not way off.
I'm saying you know, I'm onto something.
Like yeah. I love it, good.
Alright, good stuff.
So you're gonna find yourself having these meetings a lot, recapping how a presentation went, how a meeting went, maybe you planned a conference with someone and these are good phrases to use to improve for next time, right?
Perfect. Good. guys, check out episode 409.
That was why you should not tell someone to stay in their lane.
I think you did that with Aubrey.
Very good topic. Yeah, really good one.
Michelle, what is our takeaway for today?
Yeah, I mean these are so helpful for many different areas of business or outside of business but you know we wanna be, we wanna be thoughtful and consider how we sound when we use these so they can be very useful, but consider if you're gonna You know, maybe be hurtful or if it's necessary or if there's something else that you could say But most of these I would say is fair are fairly benign Yeah, exactly remember our philosophy here is it's all about building connection and relationships at work that will get you the furthest It's not perfect grammar, right?
It's not perfect vocabulary.
It's building relationships So these are key building blocks of building those relationships.
All right. Yep. Yeah, excellent.
Michelle You have a good day and I'll see you back here very soon.
All right. Bye. Bye.
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