This is the Business English Podcast, Episode 378, How to Catch Attention When You Introduce a Change in English.
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Hey, Michelle, how's it going today?
Hey, Lindsay, I'm good, I'm good.
But Lindsay, have you ever had a preconception about something that turned out to be false?
Oh, for sure. This happens a lot.
Preconception about maybe, for example, when I visit a new city that doesn't seem very interesting, but then it is really interesting.
There's a lot going on there.
Or sometimes about a person.
I mean, we've talked about don't judge a book by its cover, but it's the human mind.
It's natural to jump to conclusions about people.
And usually they're not true, right?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
Preconception is this idea that you have before you actually know.
It's whatever bias you've built up in your mind before you know more.
Exactly. So this is a huge skill, the ability in business to be able to talk about how you might tell someone to come to something with a new mind, like to dismiss everything you've ever heard about something.
I feel like when would this come up in business as an ability that might be useful?
Yeah. Well, I mean, just to introduce new ideas or perhaps at the start of a presentation could be really good to open it or in a meeting, you could use it as well.
But to me, it definitely screams presentation.
What about you? Yeah.
And I think also for innovation for companies, I think when an industry is more and more matured, more developed, there's been a lot of innovation already.
And then I think current solutions get in the way of new ideas.
So if you want to try to get your team to kind of forget everything you know about solutions that exist for language learning and let's come up with something brand new that no one's ever thought of.
Right. I could see someone trying to do that in a brainstorming session.
Yeah. Yeah. So, well, you just said the expression, so it's perfect.
So the expression we're talking about today is forget everything you know about yeah yeah it's amazing how like having a lot of information about something can actually prevent new ideas isn't that interesting that is interesting yeah we can't let uh things hold us back in that way um this is very common i
think that i would use this what do you think then yeah i do i think it sounds a little dramatic too yeah it does lean in if you're going to that conference keynote or something you're now you're leaning in oh he's gonna tell me he's gonna tell me everything i know is wrong it's it's kind of intriguing
you know right that's true it is intriguing i mean it's it's about throwing away an old way of thinking or coming to yes coming to something with an open mind and it's about these innovative ideas that we want to share because we don't want people to be too set in our ways for sure for sure because like
we said innovation doesn't happen progress doesn't happen i mean like you think about these bigger companies like Facebook.
And like there hasn't been a ton of tech progress other than AI, you know, social media tech companies cropping up.
And it's part of it is because the field is already pretty crowded.
Right. Yeah. So I also think this would be great to convince someone to try something new, maybe a new product or a system or just explaining that something is completely different than expected.
But, Lindsay, do you think that it could sound a little like infomercially or salesman -y?
I think it can. I mean, depending on who you're talking to, you know, if you're, yes, I think it depends on the, if you're on stage, then no.
But if you're, I don't know, going door to door and saying, forget everything you know about vacuum cleaners.
Then you are a little salesman.
Then you are a door to door vacuum cleaner salesperson.
No, nothing wrong with that.
But yeah, that is a little salesy for sure.
So we want to make sure we're connecting it to ideas rather than products, right?
Right. Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
So let's do some examples and show how this would look.
Okay, here we go. Forget everything you know about our old system.
This is completely different.
Dramatic. Very dramatic.
Or forget everything you know about SEO.
Our team has come up with something new that will help increase your customer base by at least 50%.
Or forget everything you know about how we used to contact customers.
We are switching to all electronic records.
Nice. And I'm sure like a lot of offices, like my dad used to run an optometric office and they at some point, I don't know when, sometime in the aughts probably switched over to electronic records from the physical records, right?
It could be scary for some people.
And we can do other episodes other days about how to manage expectations and maintain your team kind of assuage them a little bit when you do make changes like this.
But that's for another day, Michelle.
Yeah, no, but that is interesting, right?
This can be very intimidating when you have to learn a new system, just a new way of doing things at work when you've been so used to something.
Yes. It can be a lot.
Oh, for sure. And I think in real life, this applies.
Well, I think this applies when we learn new languages like when i tried learning arabic a couple of years ago to get ready to go to egypt i kind of had to forget everything i knew about spanish and japanese and french because it was just so different and i had nothing to grab onto i had no basics no fundamentals
it's kind of that feeling of floating or falling a little bit yes yeah that's true and just being like just kind of settling into the discomfort in a way mm -hmm yeah and i mean you're saying here.
It's true. It's sometimes our old knowledge or old way of doing things can get in the way.
I 100 % agree with that.
It's like you need a, what we call in Buddhism, a beginner's mind.
Right. Yeah. Yep. Exactly.
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Okay, so there's gotta be other ways we could say this depending on the context.
Are you on stage? Are you in front of a team?
Are you just talking to one coworker, right?
What could be some other ways, Michelle?
Well, you could say, is this is that word preconceptions right you could say leave your preconceptions at the door yes yes so i know you're set i know you are set in your ways but try to leave your it's hard to say i know you're set in your ways but try to leave your preconceptions at the door yeah and i
would be careful with this you know who are you talking to here um i could see more using this when you're talking to like your parent or something your older parent elderly parents maybe not a book because it is kind of rude to say you're setting your ways.
I know you're setting your ways.
Right, exactly. Yeah, don't, yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah. Save this one for probably outside of work.
Yeah, for sure. Or ignore your inclination to do X, right?
So if we're so used to doing something in a certain way, ignore your inclination to file your reports on this tab.
It's actually going to now be done over the phone.
Yeah. yeah you get so used to something it's like you know muscle memory um you have to change oh for sure it's like last year when we we turned over moved over to monday .com using monday .com and i had to really fight myself and i'm still fighting myself to not write down they need to do on a piece
of paper you know yeah yeah yep um or just this is kind of different but very similar idea.
We're starting over.
We're starting over.
So things will be different.
Nice. Love that. What do you think, Michelle?
Is it harder for people to let go of their ways?
Do you think as people get older, they tend to get more set in their ways?
What do you think? I think so.
I mean, listen, I mean, look at social media.
I mean, it's harder to, I don't know, it's harder to get used to things.
I mean, even in our age group, Lindsay, I mean, when you get we get set in our ways about even social media I mean when you know there are certain things where I'm just like oh well I'm not gonna I'm probably not gonna do that I remember it took me a while to understand what the big deal about Instagram
was um you know like it's just like I think especially with technology and things like social media it can be hard and then but you want to stay up on it, because who was I just talking to?
I don't know, just about how, you know, if you if you get behind and don't and decide you're not going to learn something, then it's like reminds you of being like, yeah, oh, I'm like, oh, I don't know, I'm too set in my ways.
I'm stuck. And then you're kind of that's what I think people start to look at you and they think you're a little bit old.
Yeah, no, I think you're right.
It's important to keep up with stuff.
Even if you are older, maybe in the workforce, maybe you have a lot of young co -workers and everyone's adopting AI and learning how to, you know, ask good questions to AI.
That's something that is important to keep up with for sure.
And that is my goal.
I need to get more into that.
So important to use it.
And I'm sure it can be really useful if you know how to ask the right questions.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
So I mean, you know, this is just really good because it can also show that you understand someone is going through a change and how they do something yes how they understand something their methods their routine whatever it is so it also just kind of shows that you have that awareness as well even
though you're going to be teaching something now totally let's do a role play michelle and see how it looks so here we are doing a presentation to our team about a new kind of software all right yes okay so we know this is to be tough because we're essentially starting over exactly but we're gonna ask
you to try your best to leave your preconceptions at the door yes ignore your inclination to question this until you try it for a couple of months if you don't mind okay so here we go forget everything you know about how we contact our customers we are ready to introduce something that will completely
change how we work it's scary but exciting and we will be much better off for it in the long run Yeah, I think the challenge that organizations sometimes run into with this change management is that maybe they bring in external trainers that no one's connected to, right?
To train on a software.
And those people have no context for the company or ability to kind of connect anything to what was done before.
And that could be scary for people, I think.
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah, for sure.
So let's go through it.
So I said, you said, this is going to be tough because essentially we're starting over.
Yeah. And then you said exactly, but we're going to ask you to try your best to leave your preconceptions at the door.
This would be another episode idea.
Leave something at the door.
Oh, that would be cool.
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More likely it'll be over there.
Yeah. Good stuff. All right.
And then you said ignore your inclination to question this until you tried for a couple of months.
That's a challenge, right?
You're going to completely just dive into this.
And that's kind of what you have to do.
And then, okay, after two months, you can question, does it work?
Do we like it? But the mind is so resistant to change sometimes.
And you have to kind of set up a structure to say, I have a defense against my mind.
Questioning and being cynical, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I said, so here we go.
Forget everything we know about how we contact our customers.
Everything you know.
Forget everything you know, right?
It's a call to action here.
Yeah. So it looks like this is the actual start of the presentation.
And maybe I'm even showing a slide or something like that.
But just, yeah, very, very good way to start off.
Nice. Well, Michelle, what's another Business English episode that our listeners should check out right now yeah guys check out episode 368 and that is flailing with a new office tool what to say love that go and check that one out and what's our takeaway for today i mean this is all about managing
change introducing new ideas clearing the mind yeah change is hard yeah so we you know we want to get to that space where of course you can't just forget everything completely that you know.
But to be able to say, okay, this is separate and now I'm going to come into something with a fresh mind.
Yes, I love that. So important.
Michelle, thanks for bringing this topic to the podcast today.
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