Hi, I'm Wendy Zuckerman, and you're listening to and watching Science Versus.
We're doing an Ask Me Anything while we are busily working on episodes for next season.
Diving into the science.
Doing a bunch of research. We thought we'd take a little break and take your questions.
And if you are listening to this on Spotify, you can be watching this too, because we are on video.
That's right, hello.
So you can see my face, you can also see the face of the Quizmaster, the person who will be asking me the questions, dishing out the gossip, senior producer, Rosarimla.
Hello. Hello. Hello.
Hello. Hi, Wendy. How are you feeling, Quizmaster?
Is this, is this a role you've always wanted wanted to play in life asking questions.
Yeah. I am an extremely nosy person, and I don't often get to pepper people with questions the way that I would like to.
However, they are not my questions.
They are listener questions.
So we put out various call outs for questions from listeners.
And we got hundreds on TikTok, and Instagram.
And we heard from people in all over the US, but also from Germany, and Costa Rica, and this crazy backwater place called Melbourne, Australia.
You even got some calls from there.
So my mum called you?
That's nice. I'm nervous.
I know when I was kicked out of the AMA Slack channel.
It was a bad sign. I know.
Wendy has been removed.
I was like, oh man, what's this question?
What are these questions?
All right, I'm excited.
I'm nervous. I don't talk about myself a lot in the show, I feel like.
So, here we go. Yeah, so most of these questions you are not aware of, you don't know what's coming, I have seen them, of course, in advanced.
Some of them are a little spicy, some of them are a little personal.
Oh, no. And I think we're gonna get some interesting, we're gonna squeeze the Wendy fruit and we're gonna get some good juice, I think.
We should be very excited.
It sounds painful. We're gonna get started after the break.
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Welcome back. Today, we are asking Wendy questions.
It's an Ask Wendy anything extravaganza.
And I've got our first question queued up.
It's from Jessa, on Instagram.
and she asked, Wendy, what's your worst and best dating experience story?
If you want, you could just tell us your worst because I feel like that's going to be a funnier story.
Yeah. No one wants to hear.
Yeah. We fell in love.
Worst dating experience was when I was meeting up with a guy, maybe it was first date or something.
Oh my God. I was like, Where did I meet him?
You know where I met him rose.
It was at a model UN Model UN conference, I think anyway, so we met we met to go see a movie He we're gonna get coffee before or whatever He was really late and then he just like arrived like no apology.
No real reason for it So I was like oh and then we go see a movie but I'm like, whatever go see a movie he takes his shoes off in the movie and his socks, and his feet really smell.
Oh, my God, that is so weird. That is so weird. That's pretty bad.
That's pretty bad. And he put them up.
Oh, that's critical.
He put them up on the seat.
So it was closer to my nose.
Like, I'm a very smelly person.
I want to make that clear.
Like, I'm not someone who's like, oh, a little BO or whatever.
But like, this was, this was, this next level.
Okay. Our next question is from Jenny on Instagram.
What's something that you do even though the science doesn't support it?
Okay. We got actually a lot of, a few different versions of this question, actually.
Okay. This is a very good question.
I would think generally I do follow the advice of science.
Like I'm not, you know, squirreling away astrology charts.
I am true to the show, but you know, am I not human Rose?
Do I not please? That's the question.
That's... Okay. So I've had moments of weakness.
So somewhat recently I was getting a massage, which is not.
That's fine. That's a nice.
That's a lovely thing to do.
I do it every now and then.
and my, the masseuse, who she's very lovely.
She said that the jaw muscles, my jaw muscles were incredibly tight cause I grind my teeth, which I know I do.
And she said that she also does hypnosis for tooth grinding.
And would I be interested?
So, at first I was like, no, no, no, no. Like, you're my masseuse and you're very good at that.
Like, I don't need hypnosis from my masseuse.
But then so yeah I did get hypnosis from my your stories.
She just sort of has healing energy which is also not a very science versus the concept but she just seems like someone who might be able to help me.
In the end I was like let's give it a go.
And so I went in. Have you ever done hypnosis Rose?
Have you ever been hypnotized?
Uh -uh. OK, so for me, what she said was basically to visualize that you're on the top of a staircase.
And there's 10 steps.
And you're going down the steps.
And so she was like, step 9, step 8.
And it's very slow when really imagining the staircase.
And I could feel myself getting a little kind of woozy.
The rest of the world melted away a little bit.
and then we get to step three and a name pops into my head.
Patrick and out of the blue.
And this is the name of someone who I used to be really good friends with in Sydney, and then I went to New York and we weren't in touch for like, I don't know almost 10 years.
And then when I moved back to Australia, I was like, Oh, I'd really like to get in touch with with that friend and I couldn't remember his name.
And so for like a year now, I've been like, oh my God, like, we organized a food fight together.
We were like, how can I not remember his name?
And here in the middle of hypnosis, it comes to me and I'm so excited.
I'm like, oh my God, that's his name, that's his name!
That I completely forget what I'm doing.
And then I hear her say and now open a door and I'm like, Oh, no, I'm supposed to be sorting out my tooth grinding.
So I was like, gosh, can we go back?
Can we go back to the stand number three?
And she's like, show, show, show.
We'll go back to stand number three, so back on stand number three.
And then I was like, she's like, stand number two, and she goes, stand number one, and then we see a door.
And then you open a door, and I'm sort of getting back into it about half my brain.
It's like, nah, nah, nah, we're out, we're out.
And then she's like, what do you see?
And the first image that popped into my head was my moon boot when I broke my foot.
Do you remember when I broke my foot?
Yeah. In like 2018.
And I just start crying.
Wow. Like, just like out of nowhere, just like...
and I just started crying and I'm like blubbering.
And I'm like, because when I broke my foot it like, took ages to heal and I was like, very vulnerable during the, I don't know, I just, I really didn't handle it well.
Cause I like, couldn't run.
I couldn't live my life, I couldn't bike.
Anyway, I was really energized.
I kept going to like x -ray after x -ray and they were just like it's not healing, it's not healing.
And it was just like a really yucky time for me.
And anyway, and I guess it just like, and maybe that was when I started grinding my teeth.
I actually don't know.
I don't know. But it was a very strange experience.
Have you been grinding your teeth since then?
Did it help with the tooth grinding?
No, I still grind my teeth.
You've been grinding your teeth.
Yeah, I still grind my teeth.
Yes, it did help but something happened, you know?
I guess that's sort of like an unsciency thing to do.
What about that experience with pseudoscience, I guess?
Yes. We've done an episode on hypnosis.
I know hypnosis in itself isn't garbage.
I didn't do any research on whether it can help with tooth grinding.
I guess that's the idea that I didn't go to a specialist, but instead went to my masseuse who had sort of just healing really nice energy.
I went to a healer.
I just have to circle back to one thing.
Did you say you organized a food fight with Patrick I did we just invited our friends and we went to lunch and then we just started throwing food and hope that they would join in And they did yeah Who's really not it was really it was really fun.
Okay? Next up we have one.
That is very sweet.
It's from a superfan named Ryan in California I'm kind of curious Wendy.
What what are the arts that help kind of fill you up and make you whole like what music or movies or books or just any art at all like what helps Complete you as the person if you don't mind sharing that now, that's a lovely question.
Um, yeah, I I really love going to galleries on my own and just soaking up the art and seeing beautiful things fills me up.
I also love looking up at trees.
It's something I've done ever since I was in primary school and you go to school camp and I've just ever since then if I'm ever just like really I've had enough I could just go outside and like look up at a tree.
Okay so we're gonna do something a little different now.
This is our lightning round.
So fastest answer you can come up with.
Ok. I feel like Buzzard. I've got like buzzard, this is what I was born to do.
Yeah, you don't have to ring in because you're the only one here.
But if that helps you...
I think I'm going to win.
I think I'm going to win.
You're 100 % guaranteed a winning?
Yeah. Okay. Are you ready?
Ready. What's your favorite coffee order?
Cappuccino. What's your favorite sandwich?
A really good salad sandwich. Is a hot dog a sandwich?
No. Top 3 movies. Indiana Jones, the third one.
Back to the future, the first one.
The Mighty Ducks? Nah, never really into the Mighty Ducks.
Oh, I thought that was your movie.
Nah. I recently returned to the Borne, the Borne films, and they're really good, and they really hold out.
So, let's go with, like, you know, Borne identity.
What's your Roman empire?
It's, like, your thing, your big, big thing.
A thing that you keep thinking about.
I guess it's science versus.
I was thinking my Roman empire, I do think about Abraham Lincoln kind of a lot.
Like more than really makes sense.
Like the assassination or, it's so funny because I forget that you're Americans.
Like I don't know. Thank you.
I just see... For God's sake.
I just see Rose. But then I see, you are.
Then I say something like that.
Right. We're going to go to the break now.
So when we come back from the break, we are going to talk about science versus.
So we're moving on a little bit from some of the super Wendy -specific questions, and we're going to some of the behind the scenes that people wanted to know about how we make the show.
We've actually got a very special guest who's going to make an appearance.
So I recommend that people stick around for that.
I feel much more comfortable talking about science versus than myself, so I'm really glad we're pivoting.
That makes sense if that's your Roman empire.
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All right, welcome back.
Today on the show, Senior Producer Rose Rivla is asking me a bunch of questions about me, Rose.
Yes, and these are all listeners submitted questions.
So we got a lot of questions from listeners about the show itself and how we make the show.
Tom on Instagram asked this provocative question, what is an episode that you want to do but you aren't allowed to do?
Oh. What do you mean?
We did 40 minutes on anal sex, you think I was getting gagged here?
Yeah, if that wasn't shut down, what would be...
I don't know. I mean, on Season 1 of Science Versus, we did two episodes on gun control.
Um...and I remember Matt Leibov, who is the CEO of Go!
CEO of Gimlet at the time, he wanted to...he was like, do I need to bring insecurity to the office because it was so unknown how people would react?
We did the female G spot in season one and talked about the clitoris.
Yeah, I don't know.
We've covered abortion.
Yeah, I don't know, Rose, can you think of anything that we're like, I mean, definitely no one's telling us not to do them.
It's just a matter of if we don't think it's interesting or surprising or important.
I think that's right.
which I'm very proud of us that we'll just go for it.
Me too. I mean, people did ask, and maybe you could do a short version, Wendy, since you mentioned that very early days, season one, could you tell us just a little bit about how the show started?
Yeah, because it is pretty wild.
I mean, I have been making this show for almost 10 years.
It is like bonkers when I think back to like Season 1.
There was no way that I thought this was going to be a career and definitely no way.
I thought it was going to send me to New York.
So I was a science journalist, still am apparently.
I had been working at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, the ABC, and they were getting interested in making podcasts and so they asked me to pitch something and it just so happened that week, Gwyneth Paltrow, she had just suggested that women steam clean their vaginas or something, that there was some cleaning required for vaginas and so I was like what about science versus Gwyneth Paltrow.
It was the very first pitch that I sent to the ABC and so it got accepted, Caitlyn Sorre, who then came to join the team, was like, I get the concept, yes, go make a pilot.
I'd never made a podcast before, I'd made little bits of radio before, I had no idea what I was doing.
Made a pilot, they picked it up, it did really well, like the season did really well in Australia, then it started charting in the U .S. which was like unheard of.
It was totally crazy.
Then Gimlet, um, someone at Gimlet saw it.
They sent me an email and I almost missed it because I was actually so exhausted making the show.
And then weeks went by, and I was like, wait, what was that email?
And, like, searching for it again and being like, oh, this podcast is going to be Gimlet?
Huh? I was like, oh, hey, nice to hear from you.
And then it just happened really fast. It was really wild.
And they were like, you want to come make Science Versus in New York City?
And I was like, I, you, s**t me.
And then I came to New York and they gave me a whole team.
They gave me You Rose.
I got robed. And so you got right back on the plane and went back to Australia?
Um, yeah. And then we've been making, I don't know, how long you've been on the team now?
It's been a long time.
Seven years. Yeah. Yeah.
And now, Meryl's been on a long time, almost as long as me and Blythe, about the same, Our editor, Michelle, started a year or two after me.
Yeah, it's very special, yeah.
So that is the story.
This question from Lauren on Instagram is a good follow up because we're doing a little walk down memory lane, so she wants to know what is the most fun you had on an episode?
We've had a lot of fun, I feel like.
I mean, recently I had a lot of fun making the Mail G Spot episode, it was so funny.
It wasn't meant to be a whole episode, whole episode.
But then I just started talking to these academics.
Just kept digging and digging.
Just kept digging and digging.
And all the academics, everyone was so excited and fun and funny.
I remember slacking Blythe and Meryl being like, I think there's a whole episode here.
Let's do it. That was really, but I don't know.
I feel like every time you and I get on a call, I'm always looking forward to that.
And I'm like, we have a good Google.
Those are always fun.
Yeah. And then, but I remember, in the early days of Gimlet, I traveled a lot like pre -covid.
I got to see the most amazing places.
I got to go to a fracking site.
That was wild. I don't know if it was fun, but I remember being, it was one of my first reporting trips ever.
like even like and um and I went with Caitlyn Kenney and we were it um we were getting driven around by like the media operator or whatever.
This fracking site.
But for some reason we're in this car with uh one of the people who work on the site and the media team and we're in the back seat I remember this so specifically.
And I just started asking like what I didn't think were hard questions like I was just like oh you know have you guys ever had a couple of leaks, some issues, or whatever.
But all of a sudden, they're like, nope, no leaks.
We never had any problems at all.
And I was like oh, here we go.
Because I had in my hot little hands a document where they had been leaks.
I mean, it's a huge operation.
You have any industrial operation.
Jeff's going to drop the ball on a Tuesday morning or something.
Like, something's going to go wrong.
And no need to be defensive about that.
These things happen, but they were just like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And so we're in this car, and I'm like, okay, I'm whipping out the document now.
Do you want to read the document that says about the lakes, just acknowledge you've had some lakes?
And it just went on, and they read it, and I could see, much like Titanic, the windows steaming up as things got more and more dense.
And my memory is just like we're having this, it's really tense.
And the windows are just completely fogged by the end of the conversation.
And I just like. We finally got them to admit that yes there had been some leaks.
And we were like okay.
Now we'll open the door to the car.
Just this feeling. Now on to the rest of the day.
Oh wow. That is memorable.
I was gonna say I think my favorite one of the most fun times I had was when we were working on the original UFO episode and you wrote a line that was like Something about like Nutbush City Outer Limits Yeah, it was like a pun on a Tina Turner song.
Not bush city and UFOs and I was like not I never heard that song and you and Katie Story who's another Australian who's working on the show were like, what are you talking about?
That is the number one Tina Turner song.
I and the other Americans were like, what are you talking about?
Number one Tina Turner song, everyone knows it's Proud Mary or Nutbush.
Then it turns out Nutbush City is a huge song in Australia.
Yes, because there's a dance that goes with it, which is kind of a Macarena -style dance.
Okay, we've got a voicemail from Caitlin next.
Hi there, my name is Caitlin and my question for Wendy or the team in general is just if doing this podcast has resulted in any lifestyle changes or if it made you just stay the same and keep doing what you're doing.
I feel like a lot actually.
I've talked about on the show before, I drink way less alcohol than I used to since we've covered that, and I'm more thoughtful about it.
I do too. Yeah, right?
Yeah I do too. Ever since you told me that, on some days, my protein levels were too low.
I am more aware of my protein, even though I know the whole point of that episode was, like, most of us were in enough protein.
You know, Rose, the episode that's sort of f**ked me up in an annoying way.
Cos I feel like most of the time, our shows really help me live a healthier life or whatever and be my best self, which is what, we want the show to be.
But the episode that I feel like has turned me into my worst self is our skincare episode, because until that episode, I didn't know, I had wrinkles.
I didn't know what the fine lines were.
And I was happy about that.
I didn't know what anyone else's fine lines were.
And now I see them everywhere.
I see them everywhere on my face.
I see them on other people's face.
I'm like, are you using retinol?
Have you had worked out?
Like that's in my brain, and it's been a year now, and I like need to get it out.
I'm surprised I thought you were going to say brought your worst self out and that you were like constantly pooping everyone else's skincare routine.
That's not science fact.
I mean, that's my best self, isn't it?
You're just aware of everybody else's the quality of other people's and your own skin, Yeah, in a way that I really don't like.
What about you, Rose?
What have you changed your life?
Well, at the Ultra Process Food episode, I pitched that, and I thought it was gonna be overblown.
And I thought, like, eh, it's kind of anti -science, like, don't eat foods that you can't pronounce, the chemicals that are in the food.
I'm like, that just sounds kind of, like, anti -science.
But I was pretty convinced by the research that's out there that like, oh yeah, they are bad for you, and sort of mysteriously.
And so, yeah, I don't eat as much. I'm more aware of that.
I get less fun out of having a bag of Cheetos than I used to.
What's the thing, I never have a bag of Cheetos.
It's funny you bring up skin care because another question that we got a lot of...
And actually, I wouldn't have put this on the list Wendy, because I don't think you'd really want to talk about it.
But honestly, we got asked it several dozen times maybe.
What is this question?
Somebody, and someone, including a person called sock merchant on TikTok, ask, here's an example, what do you do for your hair?
It looks great. I'm a man, and I think I have the same type of hair, then not as long.
And I need tips, they're all complimentary, people wanna know, what is your hair care routine?
Because for those who are not watching right now, or who have not seen pictures or videos of Wendy, she has like really curly, like voluminous, beautiful, lustrous hair, how do you do it?
How do you do it? How do I do that?
Thanks for the opportunity.
So, okay. I have tried to go to hairdressers.
Like many people in the world, and it's like I've spent a lot of money, I've spent a little bit of money, and my hair looks exactly the same within two days, or whatever, it doesn't matter what they do.
And so now to cut my hair, I'll show you, I cut my own hair now and this is what I do.
I like if you watch me on video you can see it as a hot dip but I just flick my hair over, I flick it over like that and then I grab scissors and I just cut it like that.
I just cut it straight.
That works. And that is what, and that is what I do.
That's all I did. And then like, I guess I wash it when I go for a run.
I also wash it when I go for a run.
But only when I go for a run.
With shampoo? With shampoo.
I just use whatever's there.
I'm not particular at all.
Literally whatever's there.
Yeah. That's it. It's entirely genetic.
Yeah. My dad has very, very thick hair.
Lucky. So since we're wrapping up now, it makes sense to ask this question.
It came from Jazmin on Instagram and had 73 likes the last time I checked.
Okay. People asked it on TikTok as well.
They wanna know, why do you think the Zuckerman family at the end of every episode?
Oh, well, it started because back in Australia, when I was making the show at the ABC, and I hadn't made radio before and I didn't really know what I was doing.
So, what I would end up doing is sending the episodes to my family.
I'm very lucky because my parents are scientists, my brother's an actor and really knows story and emotion very well, my sister is an artist in a clown, she's very funny, so it's also very good at story.
So, I was very lucky and they would listen, not to every single episode but most of them and give really good notes.
And then when I got to come to Gimlet and have a team and everything, I still send my mum most of my episodes.
And if I really feel like I'm struggling with an episode I will still send it to other family members.
But so that's why I'm just so grateful.
Did you send the anal sex episode to your family?
I did not. I know. All we need to know.
Okay. Well, we're not going to end there because we have one last voicemail I want to play for you.
I'm going to just start it.
Hi. I have a question for Wendy.
Bebye. Do you recognize that voice?
That's right. This is your life.
That's my sister, Debbie.
So my question is, Wendy, what do you think about the Kama Sutra being taught in High schools?
Okay, bye. Are you glad you said such nice things about your family and your sister, Debbie?
I can't believe I've been trolled by my sister.
How do you feel about the Kama Sutra being taught in High school?
Okay, so it was in your ninth grade, as you kids call it in America.
Thanks for translating.
There was a history book, it was big, there was a big book, Roman Empire.
Earlier to later? Yeah, exactly.
And it had two pages on the Kama Sutra in it, and otherwise just like a whole bunch of other history of the world.
and the book was banned while I was there.
Someone complained and so we were no longer able to read this history book, they covered so much of history, two pages on the Kama Sutra, which were like, I don't even remember, there were diagrams in there, whatever.
It's just like, it's part of history and I I was so appalled that they banned this book that I photocopied the pages, the banned pages of the Kamasutra, and I stuck them all around the school.
That's awesome. Yeah.
What happened? Did you get in trouble?
No, they never found out who was.
And I think, well, now that's right.
Can you believe that?
That's so cool. That was it.
Thanks, Debbie. All right.
That comes to the end of our list of questions.
That was our very first Science versus Ask Wendy.
Anything I learned so much. Thanks, Rose.
But not too much. I learned a lot, but just the right amount.
Well, that's it. So thank you so much to our listeners for submitting so many interesting questions.
Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks, Wendy.
Yeah. Thanks, Rose.
We'll be back in a couple of weeks with fresh new episodes.
We're talking about science, not me.
Um, which I'm very I'm really excited about next season Rose What are you most excited by should we give give listeners a little bit of a little spoils?
Yeah Yeah, I'm working on an episode about microplastics.
Yeah disrupting chemicals It's gonna be a good one and lots of lots of new cutting -edge research there Yeah, it's gonna be a great season.
So we'll be back in just a couple of weeks Thanks for listening or watching or whatever you're doing everyone and while we're away We're still posting fun stuff on social media.
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Thanks Wendy. All right, I'm Wendy Zuckerman, back to you next time.
